 In May last year I attempted three world records, two that already existed, which was for this distance on a static bike in one and twelve hours, twenty-four hours was four hundred and thirty-three miles. Gosh, that sounds really ninja. Where should I aim? And the only thing I could do was aim to be number one. Kate, how are you? I'm quite good, thanks Chris. Mentally I'm feeling quite positive, but we were just talking offline about our physical ailments, so there's a few little things going on, but overall nothing to complain about. Yes, you were saying were the injuries from your world records? One of the injuries, yes. So obviously sitting on a bicycle for 24 hours there are five points of contact and one of which chafed quite badly and I'm still even seven months later healing from that, but the other one is from yoga. I took up yoga a few years ago to soften and sort of give back to my body and that's where I tore my labrum in my hip. Oh my gosh, that sounds painful. Which part of your hip is that? It's my anterior labrum, so I was sort of bending backwards in one of those abnormal yoga positions that I should have known better and something snapped and ever since then I've been in pain running and sitting and walking, but I've managed to get it to a point where I can run two and a half k and obviously cycle, but I'm not going to push it any further. There's no more need. Yeah, injury, it's just a nemesis, isn't it, of people that like to exercise a lot and it doesn't, to be honest, it doesn't really affect me. I've been really lucky injury-wise but it's my back, I think, had I known what I know now, Kate, I would have looked over to my back over the years a lot better than I have. Yeah. And I put my disc out, put a disc out this time, lift in the garden shed, stupid thing to do, but my mind, I still think that I'm 18. Yeah. I still feel 18. So I think, oh, I'll just, and it's, gosh, and for someone who's had a slip disc operation or a discectomy, it's, you were talking like two years out of your life where you wait and get all this stuff sorted out. So anyway, not here to talk about my back. Can you tell us more about your world records and how did they come about? Yeah. So in May last year, I attempted three world records, two that already existed, which was for this distance on a static bike in one and 12 hours. But the big one that I was really excited about and nervous was for this distance in 24 hours. And the reason why I was quite excited is because there was a, there was a male equivalent world record, but no female. And it was sort of my nod to making sure that we, we do our best positively towards equity and equalizing opportunity for all as well. And oh, do you do that on a track or is that in the nature or something? It was actually on a static bike. So I fixed, I've got a bamboo bicycle made in Ghana. So it was fixed on a sort of indoor training wheel if you want. And so I didn't move. It was on a full moon night. So I was outdoors. So at least I got a bit of nature. But yeah, things were moving around me, but I was pretty stationary for the entire time. Gosh, that sounds really ninja. It was quite brutal. I'm guessing you have to sort of pace yourself a bit. Yeah, I mean, I decided to do this record in 2020. And as I'm sure I'm not alone here that that year proved to never follow anyone's plans. And so indoor training was actually, I was quite fortuitous to have a lot more time on my hands to do the training I needed to. And the time kept getting moved back. So I originally wanted to complete it in 11 months, but lockdowns and restrictions meant I had 16 months to train for it. But yeah, it was it was it was mentally a lot to prepare for. But for the day, as you said, it was just making sure that I didn't burn out at the beginning, but I still was breaking the world records for the one and 12 hours first and finding out how my body could digest the food. I mean, there's all this sort of elements I've never even thought about. But my stomach wasn't digesting after eight hours because it was focusing so hard on my legs. So I needed a massage just to be able to move things from my tummy into its intestines to do the work. But yeah, it was it was quite an exploration of how the body works for 24 hours. What were you doing in Ghana? I haven't been to Ghana. I just found a charity that makes bicycles out of bamboo. And I love that it's a carbon positive product. And she also the charity founder, she also makes bicycles for local kids, they can attend schools. So it was just a really nice added story to what I was cycling on that we gave some care and attention and made sure that it was as sustainable as possible. Have you been to Africa at all? Yes, I've been gosh, several times actually, but I worked in Mozambique for six months, teaching street kids. I'd heard about this bike. I think didn't the chap who's done did the first triathlon up and down the UK? Hey, what's his name, Sean? Yeah, Conway. Sean Conway. Yeah, didn't he do his cycle on a bamboo bike? Yeah, he did a bamboo bike as well. So it's great to see more and more people sort of looking at alternative materials. Yeah, how do they I mean, how do the sort of finer points work like the brakes and the rims and the inner tubes or tires? All of that is normal. So the gearing, the pedals, even the handlebars, all of that is what you'd expect on a normal bike. But it's the actual frame, the core of it that is made of bamboo. So we send the spec over and they cut the bamboo to order. They then strap it together with hemp and then pour resin over it to just sort of make sure nothing falls apart. And it's as strong as steel. It's a little bit heavier than steel. And we've got to use disc brakes. That's the only sort of downside because of the weight issues. But everything else is really high spec, which is absolutely amazing for cyclists who need that sort of attention as well. Yeah, I'd say don't leave it near a panda bear. Yeah, luckily there aren't that many in Britain, so we should be fine. And how did you get into, I mean, I see you, you're a rakey specialist or practitioner, but you came from an aerospace background. So that's an interesting crossover. Yeah, I think when I, you know, when we're told to choose our life at the age of 17, we don't really know how to answer that question. So I liked maths, I liked geography, I liked languages. So I chose environmental engineering as one of my first degrees. You're right, I did go on to aerospace. But it was done a little bit flippantly. And I chose to study abroad. So I studied in France and Italy. So I was able to at least get my travel fix from that. But I think looking back, I was never, I'm not an engineer. I'm good with maths and numbers, but it doesn't mean that I'm that sort of tolerance and fit in the engineering box. I'm very much more intuitive and spiritual and follow my gut and just do things on a whim. So now at the age, beautiful age of 40, I'm rediscovering myself and following what makes my heart sing, rather than what the logic dictates I should be doing because I'm good at or my parents expect it from me. So yeah, it's good to see the evolution myself at last. Yes, we have to shape, throw off the conditioning, don't we, and start to live life for ourselves and do what makes you happy, they say. Yeah. It's a blast thing. I don't know if you're noticing it in your in your sort of, where you sort of network, but or hang out. I'm seeing more and more people at an earlier age have these questions of, you know, what, what do I enjoy? You know, how can I do something that that makes you as I said, makes my heart sing, but I really have passion for rather than just looking for the money. So I'm really heartened to see more and more people having that conversation earlier on. Yeah, I was on a campsite in, I think it was Early Beach or it was somewhere up near Cairns in Australia. And the chat, I got friendly with a chap who was putting his tent up next to me. So we had a barbecue that evening and stuff. And by the end of the night, he was in bits, he was actually sobbing his heart out because he said, Chris, all my life, I've just chased the job. I thought it was about the career position. I thought it was about the money. And if I stick at it, I'll be this day. And he says, I've just wasted my life. For anyone listening, no, you haven't ever wasted your life. It's all experience. But this is this guy's anecdote. And yeah, it's kind of funny, my mate's rode across the Atlantic. And he looks at me and goes, Chris, you've lived hell of a life. What are you on about? Done badly yourself. Yes, freedom, freedom. Throw off the shackles. So let's go back a bit, have you always been a fitness type person or an exercise person? Or was this something that came to you later in life? I think this is to remember my life started about 10 years ago. So I've always been fit in the school. Again, the belief my parents gave me was that my family were the physical fitness family rather than the arty or the cultural family. So I fitted that model. But I never took any sport seriously. So I was called up to Wales in La Crosse, for example, and I said no, because I didn't want to take the joy out of what I enjoyed. And every time they'd sit me down and say, you know, you can't do this, you can't do that. And that's when I said I don't want to stop myself. So it was only in 2012, when I went through quite a toxic relationship, it broke down, fortunately, six days before our wedding. But it left me really questioning, similar to what you said with that guy on Erie Beach, like, who am I? What have I been doing for the last years? Where is me on that list? I'm doing all this for work, all this for the other person, the dog was getting more attention than I was. So that's when I decided to put me back on the list. And I always find sport is a really humbling experience because we can't hide from it. We can't lie that we've done our work because we'll be in a world of pain after a training session or a race if we haven't. But it's also quite liberating because it just started to build myself up in confidence, as well as connecting myself to nature again, because I was running in the Blue Mountains. I lived in Australia at the time. So it was just a great way for me to sort of build up that integrity and put myself first as well with permission using that sport as a vehicle. We've got to say hello to Bob at this point then because Bob's one of the guys on my team and he lives in the Blue Mountains. Amazing. Hey, Bob. Yes. Is it the two sisters or something? The seven sisters? There's three sisters. Yeah. Yeah. It looks very close to there actually in a place called Blackheath, a village of 2000. Yeah. I was in one of those towns very near to the three sisters and there was a bush fire and it's just smoke everywhere. I stopped for a bit to have a look but I was quite pleased to get back in my hire car and bug out of there. Yeah. It's very wild and we forget sometimes, well, I live in Britain now and we forget how wild is. It's lovely. I love the vibe down there. So many people get up early for exercise, don't they? Yeah. We don't meet in a pub. We meet on a walk and what a great way to live. Yeah. You'll see two guys, I don't know, my age, 50 years old, carrying a canoe down to the sea to have their morning paddle and all the surfers in the water. Do you find, are you like me, Kate, do you find Lois a bit more fun when it's sunny? Oh yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I find it, I have to really kind of speak to myself in a good way in the winter and do almost like NLP on myself to remind myself all the seasons are beautiful, Chris, not just the summer but I am passionate about the summer just fills me with so much energy. I completely agree. I think I'm hyping it. I think I hyping it in winter. I need to half my to-do list. I need to sleep more. I need to eat more as well and just sort of find a duvet and just lay under it for a bit longer. Yes. Yes. I have to be really strict because somebody said to me at the end of last summer, I hope you're going to do your running videos every day when it's freezing cold in the winter. So I got no choice but to get up at five or six and jog around the block. But I really love it. I absolutely love it. I love my life. I love life, I should say, and being able to get up when it's bitterly cold and everything's icy and put your running gear on and still love it. Whereas, I don't know, 20 years, I wouldn't have been like that 20 years ago. I certainly wasn't like it when I was in the Marines. I used to hate the cold. Not good when you're in the Norwegian Arctic, but it was awful. I shouldn't make soldiers get cold. No, it doesn't make sense at all. Yes. So did you completely transit from the aerospace stuff into what you do now? Because you're a public speaker, you're a life coach, you help businesses get their act together and you do the Reiki, you do a lot of stuff. Okay, it's all really good. Have you moved completely away from the air and later? I have. Last year, I did have some clients who still worked in the aerospace sector, but it wasn't about the engineering aspect. It was more about them finding their vision and their purpose and different ways of serving their clients in a more altruistic way. They found that how they were working didn't fit their personal beliefs and they wanted to upgrade. So it's still working the way I want it, just in my old sector. But yeah, I got out of it after two years, actually, the engineering. Yeah, I mean, it's a funny sector because, I mean, British aerospace, for example, I mean, they make lots of weapons, don't they? They make lots of arms. Yeah, it's predominantly military and defense. And unfortunately, defense sometimes means attack as well. So it isn't all just flying to the Caribbean to have a nice holiday. There is sort of side to it that I wasn't enjoying as much the more I got to know it. Yeah, it's a funny old industry. I mean, working in Mozambique, you still can't go off the track because there's land mines all over the country. And to think someone made that in a factory and someone designed it really so cognitively distanced from what the function of it actually is. Yeah. So let's go back to your world records. So you did the 12 hour one and the 24 in one go, you just when you got to the 12 hour mark, you'd got that record. What distance did you, what distance was that and what distance did you get overall? So when I got the recent, I can't remember, but they're in behind me fortunately. The 12 hour was 232 miles. 232 miles. 232 miles in 12 hours, my God. Yeah. And then the 24 hours was 433 miles. So I obviously was getting slower in the last 12 hours. Not much slower. Okay, that's incredible effort. Thank you. Yeah. Well, I remember when I decided to do a quadruple Ironman distance triathlon and I did it over seven days. And when I did the bike phase, I think the first evening I knocked off after swimming for 10 miles, I did 36 miles on the bike just to get that like the odd 36 because then it meant 100 miles per day for the next, was it four days, I think it was. And I was getting up at dawn and I was still going late at night just to get 100 miles in per day. And I'm a rubbish cycling. I mean, I did, I think I cycled 25 miles training training for that. But it still, it took me 12 hours to just scrape 100 miles. Yeah. But you had like a four marathons waiting for you. So I totally get why you were taking your time. Yeah. Yeah, 108 miles I had to run in the end because the trail was so badly, I'd put in for an ultra to do the run in an ultra if that makes sense. And it's the Robin Hood ultra up in Sherwood Forest in Nottingham. Wonderful ultra if anyone's listening. It starts off down a canal bank about 12 miles along this beautiful canal. Then it's just all around Sherwood Forest. But come the next day, oh my God, I was in bits couldn't feel my feet because my spine would been so crushed. Yeah. Yes. Wow. Thanks for the question. Do you get often the question like people asking you why, why you do it? No. My kind of thing, I almost said frustration, but that's not really true is when people say, oh, how do you run the length of the country? I'll say it's really simple. You buy an aeroplane ticket, you get out at John O'Groats and then you look at your compass and if it says south, then you start putting one foot in front of the other. If you can put a tent up, that's a double bonus because you'll have to get a hotel. And anyone tells me they can't do what I just said. And if you're in a wheelchair, you've got to do some wheeling. It's that simple. It's within everyone. I didn't do any training to run the length of the country because that was the first time I had a disk operation. So I'd been pretty much disabled for two years. And finally, having put this thing off and put it off and put it off and then finally got an operation, then I think I had about four surgical procedures in total. And finally, I just thought I've got to get this done. So I just bought a plane ticket and yeah, just went to John O'Groats and started it and just smiled all the way. I mean, you do get a few challenges. I'm not going to kid you, but it's just weird, Kate. It's that thing, isn't it? I grew up in a generation where the media wanted you to believe that like a half marathon is the preserve of the Olympic elite. And it's for these people that have trained really hard. And it's like, I hate to disillusion people. You can walk a half marathon really easy. Maybe not. I get everyone's got different levels of ability. I'm not being too flippant, but seriously, if somebody put a gun to your head and said, if you don't walk 13 miles, I will shoot you. You're going to walk 13 miles and then you're going to go, oh, it wasn't actually that difficult. So that's my kind of thing. I don't want to be one of these athletes that makes out I'm super special and that I'm elite or I've done all this training or you couldn't do it. I tell people the truth. Plant-based diet that puts you way ahead of most people in life, not just in sport. And I'm what I call majority plant-based Kate. So I don't mind to eat a bit of meat. I've made a thing now. I don't eat factory meat. So I'll only eat game meat, which is, I don't know, possibly once once a week these days. But I'd rather people sort of understood this side of it, how we've been massively lied to about our diet, how we've been lied to about sports that they're not as elitist as you might think. You get very, you know, very chat to guy the other day, Rich. His podcast is going to come out soon. He shared God knows 10 stone in a year to run Britain's toughest 100 mile ultra going up, up and down mountains. And he did all that in a year. So and he lost 10 stone from being chronically obese to do it. So no one's really got an excuse if someone like Rich can do that. Yeah, I completely agree. And, you know, what you're saying is really about resonates me with what I do my best to share as well as I am just a normal girl who didn't put one foot in front of the other, just put one pedal in front of the other. And it hurts. I live streamed it all to make sure people saw the pain. Like for 16 hours, I did not smile, I was crying, you know, there was blood, sweat and tears everywhere. But we just do it because we made a promise. And I know that it pushes me to be more, to be more caked to, you know, and hopefully inspires others to just do more as well. As you said, it's all on the plant-based diet as well. So at least I knew that what I was eating was helping me nourish and keeping me alive as well and others as well, making sure my impact to the environment was less. What did you eat, Kate, when you were on the bike? I used my favorite go to meal was a tartar dal. So I made my own lentil curry with brown rice. And also I used some bars and natural sort of natural gels that are made out of beetroot juice from this company called Lado Forte. So it's all, it's all whole food. So I look at the ingredients list and I actually recognize the names. So that's a really big thing for me. So that's all I pretty much brought a dozen bars, couple bowls of tartar dal and some drinks to make sure I stayed hydrated. Oh, that's great. When I've run Ultra, it's the thing I hate about them is when you stop at the, the, I don't know what aid stations they call them, don't they? You stop at an aid station. It's all bloody sweets. And it's the last thing you want to eat when you've been running for 75 miles is a bowl. I mean, yeah, there is a place. Sometimes you just want to grab some jelly babies and shove them in your mouth and that sugar. It's just good. But but most of the time you want some proper food, don't you? You want some? Yeah. Yeah, I used to make my own when I lived in Australia, like little rice balls. Or I used to make some like dates, you know, sweet and sour basically, just make sure I, I didn't saturate my, my palate. But yeah, I don't know why we turn to all of this processed junk, because it's not helping us. It's giving us a quick rush and sugar. And we're justifying it because we're running or cycling or whatever far, but it really isn't good. So yeah, let's just turn back to the nature. Yeah. And I heard sorry to turn this to running. It's just I don't get on my bike as much as I should. But now my back's hurting. I probably will because sorry, I'm really going off on one here. But I've never been able to touch my toes, Kate, right? I can't get much past my knees, if I was honest. In Marines training, you have to be able to touch your toes. But I used to just fake it. And just luckily in eight months of training, the physical training structure never noticed that I couldn't touch my toes. So I got, I got away with it. With one exception, when I got off that bike after 400 miles, I touched my toes easily. Oh my God, how mad is that strange? Yeah, it must have, must have just shaken my back out. Oh, you know, just that posture must have just been, so I think now my back's hurting again, I'm going to get, get, get my nice some road bike out and go and do some miles. But yeah, that's what I was going to say. I saw a guy on the Joe Rogan show. Can't remember the chap's name, but he's one of the world's leading ultra runners now. And I, I already knew that Scott Jurek, who's one of the most famous ultra runners in the world was completely plant based. And this chap on Joe Rogan show, he, he ran runs in ketosis. So he just eats. What's the name of the ketosis diet? Is it like a paleo sort of? Yeah, it's high protein, low or no carbs. I think. Yeah. So he keeps his body burning fat so that when he goes into an ultra, his body's not slowed down because it's trying to digest a whole load of stuff. It's already onto the fat. So there's no, like the glucose reserve. He hasn't got to burn through that first. He's so he's already on the already burning his body's fat. And I found that was that's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. I started to look into that and also about fasting. And we can do it on a plant based diet because there's a myth that paleo was only meat. But it just means a lot of apogados. But yeah, just to be able to transition, as you said from carb to fat is is really helpful, especially if we're going over longer distances. I find because I fat, well, I just tend to have a green smoothie at lunchtime. So basically a pint of vegetables and one meal in the evening. And if I'm running as well, which I do every day, I start to taste the ketosis. You know, so my body's almost in that state. I guess I'm not putting in loads of reserve calories and my body's storing it up and up and up. I'm just right on that line. So I can feel you for friends at home that are wondering how you tell you your mouth starts to taste soapy. And that's the fat, the fat as it burns off. You get this because you can make soap from fat, can't you? In fact, it's yeah, I think that was in that film Fight Club. They used to go and raid all the liposuction places for bin bags full of fat people's fat. And then he used to turn it into this luxury soap. But yeah, so going back to the bike then, so you're on the bike, what kind of pace are you having to keep up? So for the first for the first hour, because that was a world record as well, I have I did just over 24 miles an hour. So nothing massive, but enough just to make sure that the record was succeeded. And then thereafter, I'm quite a slow cadence, I don't turn my legs very quickly. So it was around 70 to 80 reps a minute. And it varied between like 22 to 18 miles an hour, depending on my pain thresholds and what the target was for that hour. Luckily, I've got a team around me to make those kind of decisions. Because I didn't if I think too far forward, it could overwhelm me or it can feel insurmountable or I can push too hard. So they only gave me a number to focus on for 60 minutes. And that was what I just needed to do. And then the next 60 minutes, they changed the number. So I knew what I was aiming for that one. And you said there was no previous women's record for the 24 hour one? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So did you have a rough idea what you wanted to achieve? Yeah, I mean, Guinness chose a number out of basically out of thin air. And they said a 400, I think it was 420 miles for the 24 hours. So I knew they had to be over that to be able to achieve the records. But I hadn't ridden the bike before it was I don't even got it the week before. So I don't need a one hour training on it. I'd never cycled outdoors before it was a lot of variables. So for me, it was just happy to finish it. So yeah, anything over 420 was an absolute bonus. The goal was to finish 24 hours. And sorry, just remind us again, you did 400 and 33.1. And when you got off the bike, did you have any ritual? Was there anything you were really massively looking forward to? I don't actually I make sure I'm a bit strange, maybe I train with no pleasure. So I don't watch Netflix. I don't listen to music. I used to train facing a brick wall. Just in my triathlon era before that I train with no padding in my trousers either. Because anything above that was always luxury and the same for after the event. I don't set myself up to have that expectation. So I just said thank you to my team helped the pack down and had a cold bath. So very very basic, very simple pleasures. Yes, you've got to be strict with that cold bath, haven't you? And because it all I feel like is a nice hot bath. But of course, it's it's it's the worst thing. It's amazing the differences that a cold bath or a cold shower has. I have one this morning actually had a cold bath, at least up to like my chest height, just to try to get my back the disk in my back to shrink a bit or the swelling to shrink. But when I ran the length of the country, someone very kindly bought me the land's end hotel for the night for me and my family. And I was trying to drink a pint in the pub, but I was so exhausted. I couldn't function, couldn't speak. Everyone was trying to say, oh, Chris, can I help you? And I'm just like, fuck off. Don't just just leave me alone. No, you can't help. I've been fine for 37 days doing everything on my own every minute of the day. And now suddenly all these people, it was a bit, it was a bit of a strange scenario. And I went up to that hotel room and I just couldn't resist a nice hot bath. And the next day I couldn't walk. Well, I did walk, but it was like I was like walking like John Wayne. Yes. So, and tell us about triathlon. Okay, because I noticed that in your resume. I'm always fascinated about triathlon because it's something I came to really late in life. And I've done three iron men in my life. And I just turned to it when I went through that breakup. I know it was nine years prior I started training for an iron man, but I got talked out of it by my then-boyfriends. You don't do that. I'll miss you when you go training. All of this sort of lovey-dovey words, but actually it's slightly controlling and negative behind it. And I didn't pick up on it. So, yeah, just wanted to put myself back on my list. So, I set myself a goal of completing an iron man. And similar to what you're saying about flying, if you want to walk lands end to John & Groots, just fly to lands end and start walking. I thought, if I want to do an iron man, and I've never done one before, where should I aim? And the only thing I could do was aim to be number one. And it wasn't out of ego. It wasn't out of beating anyone or proving something to somebody. It was, well, if I don't aim at first, I'll never find out how far I can go. So, that was my goal. I could barely win a mile. But I was saying to my friends, I'm going to be an iron man world champion. I never did, but I became long distance world champion. So, I found my level. But I know in my heart, I would never have got there had I set a goal of just finishing. So, yeah, it was just a way of, again, reclaiming part of my life and giving me permission to dream again. Did you actually end up doing an iron man? Yeah, I did three in a year. So, I went pretty gun-ho at it. The closest I got to it was 10th, I think, with a 345 marathon at the end. So, pretty good. But just not good enough. But that was my level. That was where I finished. It's only not good enough if you compare yourself to other people. Okay, come on. Yeah, true. Exactly. Exactly. And I'm still doing it. Look at me. I'm saying that I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. For our friends out there, I came my first ever triathlon was in a place called Torquay in Devon or Torbay area. I didn't just come last. I was so much behind the whole field that my little boy was on the finish line going, where's my daddy? Why is my daddy not come back yet? I was honestly like the best part of an hour behind. They tried to stop me. They asked me to stop. So, we're trying to pack it out of my face. If you want your medal, you can keep it. I'm not stopping. And they were very graciously waiting around and then put my medal on them. And that was, do they call it like the standard triathlon? So, it's like a half-iron or it's a mile swim. I was at 40-mile bike ride and then a six-mile run or something like this. And when I come over that finish line, I thought, right, in eight weeks' time, I'll do four iron men together. Well, I should say distance triathlon. I did the swim in a Lido pool, so water swimming pool. But, yeah, I just think it's impressive that you've done an iron man. Yeah. And it's so inspiring. It's scary, isn't it, when we set goals like that? And it's not just our own fears. It's the naysayers around us that, oh, you can't do that. Who do you think you are? You can't run this distance. It's tough to stand strong and say, I'm going to do an iron man. So, yeah, well done to you as well. Yeah, this is a thing, again, that we have to be careful of is you can have some really keen sportsmen or whatever it is in life telling you, or authors, because, you know, I've written a few books telling you, oh, and what they're doing is they're projecting their own stuff on to you. It's not real. Like the number of people when you join the Marines would tell you you can't do it. And when you get in the Marines, it's really weird. Some of the guys you think will get through this tough training, no, they're like the first guys to leave. And the underdogs that just, I mean, I was like nine and a half stone or something. And get through to the end. It's, I'll never listen to they says ever, I just set my own course and think, right, I think I can do this. Yeah. And having a partner that supports you is, I mean, I probably shouldn't say this, but I will. If you haven't got a partner that supports you, then they're not your partner. I agree. I totally agree. If they're not, if they're not enrolled in your potential and your dreams, they are not enrolled in you and they're holding you back. And that is not loving my world. Yeah, they love you. They want you to blossom, don't they? And when our little boy was born, I remember running out of the hospital, we couldn't wait to leave the hospital and get home. And we were walking through the door and I said, Jen, can I go for a run? She went, go. So I went and ran a marathon. I left her alone with our little, our little bundle of joy for four and a half hours. And she was more than happy with that. But, you know, how many people know you can't can't walk now. You've just got your baby home. Yeah. Yeah, I owe my girlfriend an awful, awful lot. She's just brilliant. Yeah. So, Kate, what's the future? What a great question. Who knows? But in honesty, I've met somebody who actually supports me for the first time in my life a couple of years ago. And what's wonderful is I've shared what I wanted to do and he asked if you can as well. So later this year, we're cycling around Wales on both our bamboo bikes around the circumference of Wales, raising some money for a mental health charity. But next year is the Big E. So we're cycling the circumference of England, Scotland and Wales, 3,000 miles. And we're planting 3,000 trees as we go because obviously the bike ride isn't enough. And yeah, it's just amazing that for the first time in my life, I've got someone who doesn't begrudgingly let me go. They also want to be part of it and actively involved. So we're looking forward to it. Yes. Sorry, the point of what I was saying, folks, was yeah, you, you life's too short to have someone that doesn't 100% get behind what you want to do, isn't it? Kate, that's an amazing challenge. How can people follow you, support you, get involved, sponsor you, whatever? Yeah, I've set up a page on my main website where there's the donate button as well for the Just Giving pages and it's capestron.global.adventures. And there you can find out about the Tour de Wales, as well as the challenge 3,000, which are aptly named for the 2023 challenge. Yeah, we'll put all your links below the, below our YouTube video so everyone can get on it. It's, I don't know if you're sick of talking about it, but you've got a wicked surname for this kind of thing, haven't you? Yeah, well, I mean it's a double-edged sword because I've got a lot to live up to, but I'm learning that venerabilicity is also the strength as well. Yes, I guess it depends what kind of strong, doesn't it, because you wouldn't want to smell strong. Yeah. Sorry. But no, it's like we're, we've got a guy I work with in the Marines who's called Armstrong. That's quite, quite a good, good now. I guess that comes from the old English archery or something, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, we've got ties to some, some lands like common low lands with it, where a battle was won and we got rights to allow our horses to live on it or something. Obviously, I have hundreds of horses that live there, not one. So yeah, I think our name comes from that as well. And when you're doing your cycle, are you, are you going to be camping? Are you camping? Yeah. Yeah, camping. If anyone's got a spare room, I'm very happy to obviously grab a shower and sleep on a bed or a sofa or the floor, but predominantly camping. Yeah, you'll be inundated. It's a real reminder what absolutely lovely people there are in this great nation. You can sometimes forget that when you seal the nonsense. Well, I haven't watched TV for a long time, but you know, yeah, that mainstream media thing makes out it's a terrible world. You'll get lots of people that will want, want to look after you all the way. Doesn't mean the cycle is any easier, but no. And how are you going to plant these trees? Are they saplings or are they going to be actual acorns or something? I know we're not going to carry them with us, which is quite handy because to cycle with 3,000 trees is a feat in itself. I'm looking for partners in different communities that we're passing through so that we can plant them together like a hundred trees together so the community can then look after it. So I think they will already be like saplings or mature trees, but yeah, we can, we can do it as we go along. And I'd love to also stop at remote villages and schools to be able to talk to the children because I'm not sure they get that many adventurers who pass their way. So it'd be really great to connect to those schools and communities and hear about what they're up to as well. So yeah, it's a really community driven challenge. Are you looking for volunteers to help you with that part? Yeah, any type of help because it is just me and my partner doing it all at the moment. And we obviously have full-time jobs and this is our give back. So yeah, anyone who's got any ideas or connections, please reach out or ideas to make sure that we're, you know, we do it as honestly or carbon-neutrary as possible, then yeah, get in touch. Happy to hear, happy to chat. And Kate, one last thing. Can we talk about the Reiki? Reiki, as I pronounce it, right? Yeah, yeah. What would you like to talk about it? Well, it's an incredible thing. So I apologize that a good part of this podcast have been talking about my poor old back, but I have suffered with it over the years. I had a motorbike once and going over the speed bumps that they become a big thing in our city a while back, they put speed bumps everywhere. We compressed a disc and I had this painful back from ages and ages and ages. And I went round to my friend Mike's. Hello, Mike, if you're watching. And he said, right, come here, Chris. And he just put his hand like this. And he said, is that better? And I went, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, of course, it wasn't better. And then as I went out of his house to get on my bike, I realized the pain was just completely gone. Something that had been troubling me for about six weeks was completely gone. And I'm, I'm fascinated. I mean, I am in the right area. That is Reiki. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't sort of portray to heal things because I offer the energy to your inner healer and it heals emotionally or physically what you need. But yeah, pretty much for anyone who doesn't even know what Reiki is, it's a way of it's like charging your phone. We are the phone, the mobile phone, but we sometimes don't know how to connect to the electricity. So the Reiki is just the cable that connects into the phone and allows universal energy or healing energy to pass into us. And as a Reiki practitioner, I'm able to sort of channel that energy or direct that energy into the person, into the area that they need the healing. So that's how I describe it. But it's absolutely magical in no words, no short words of that. Yes. And again, it's an area we've all we've been cut off from. Understanding we're all part of this wonderful universe primarily and with this individual body secondly. And that there is a universal energy running through all things. And that that energy can get blocked. Is there anything, what would you recommend people do on a day to day basis to to keep this energy flowing? Yeah, well, when one is connect to nature, preferably without shoes, just standing on a bit of lawn or touching the bark of the tree, that will start reconnecting and sort of bubbling up our own energy, energy on, you know, the universe energy loves movement. So vibrate yourselves go for a run, do star jumps, jog on the spot, start moving at the higher end, like cellular frequency. And also what I love doing is I have a gratitude journal, but I also add onto it curiosity, start seeing the world anew. I think we're getting a lot, like we might walk the same path to work or whatever. And we just sort of go into our zone and forget that outside the real world and magic's happening. So start looking for that magic every single moment and every single day. Those three simple steps can really help us start reconnecting to the energy that is surrounding us all and that we are actually part of as well. And I've heard that stress can quite block this energy. Yeah, anger, worry, anything that, you know, it's a lower frequency, anything that sort of darkens our days. And saying, don't be angry or don't be stressed doesn't help, letting it pass, because what we resist persists. So if we are stressed, honor the stress, it's okay to be stressed. It means that we were, you know, concerned about something, finds out how we can release it healthily rather than just suppressing or ignoring it. Brilliant advice. Kate, you've been absolutely wonderful. Likewise. Yeah, I hope we can cycle somewhere together at some point. Yeah, passing you at some point, I'm sure. You'll have to wait for me though. All right, we'll make sure you're at the end of it, but you'll be dragging me along for a while. Yes, well, I'll keep up to speed with your big cycle and I'll get my bike out when you get down to sunny Devon. It would be great to see you. So stay on the line so I can thank you properly. But absolutely, what a wonderful guest friends at home. I hope you got as much from this as I did. I think I'm in that grand old stage of life now. I just appreciate the nice energy and things and it's where I like to be. And so Kate, thank you ever so much for that. Friends, if you can, yes, virtual hug. Friends at home, one for you too. Massive love to you all. Please look out to yourselves. Please turn off your mainstream media and go and do something that invests in the positive you. If you can like and subscribe, that would be wonderful. 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