 Welcome to vlog Thursday number 335 and yeah lots of exciting things going on so let's see here oh greetings I see a Jason Slagle in here and if you've seen the announcement you know me and him are working together someone could have deferred that by saying let's do some of the videos together and things like that but hey you know I wanted to make it official and all that kind of fun stuff the things I want to talk about really quick here and we'll start right here with the hodgepodge of idiots actually super calm ourselves and this is something that Jason Slagle Matt Lee and other people you may have seen on a channel we're doing a bike ride raising donations so I will be doing some peddling lots of peddling I don't know that I'm gonna be able to go as far as them but there's a link right in the description below if you'd like to donate that's gonna be up tomorrow and that yeah that's gonna happen on June 24th of 2023 just like to throw some dates in here working together what's the project we merged our companies together so that is a project into itself and we'll be covering the business side of that on the business technicalities channel so it's Lawrence dot video slash B.I.Z so it's a yeah definitely a gonna be fun talking about all the things related to the merger why is bit warden so cheap that's an interesting question I think because they're not greedy there there's an easy way to say it a window from level one Texas actually talked about this a couple times he goes despite cloud costs coming down as things scale the price always seems to go up and a lot of this comes down to once a company has a popular product they're looking for returns on investment and sometimes because they know their popular market they may multiply things higher than you might expect but hey nonetheless pricing is never an easy it's always a complicated topic for any business software etc I think bit warden is fairly priced that's my opinion on it so yes oh two days yes two days away that's for the bike ride so that is definitely exciting I've been I've been biking more and things like that so yes we are peddling for donations absolutely I will definitely say that that is for sure I do have one question that was emailed to me for blog Thursday William asks as a medium-sized nonprofit I can't ignore the enormous benefits of EDR brings to security are you aware of any EDR offerings that are aggressive for nonprofit discounts and I don't really think so in terms of that most of the EDR vendors we really like Huntress I think they're very reasonably priced but I don't know that there's any special nonprofit pricing for them and I think the reasonable price up of things like Huntress but it's not just EDR is very small component when you think about overall security practices and I know it's a burden for a nonprofit to go wow this much has to go for security because it's about patching it's about managing access it's about setting the systems up securely and about EDR so because you have to have the full security package if you're someone or an IT services company doing it the yeah oh this is probably a good point that Jason has if you check out what TechSoup has there's probably some options but yeah there's a lot that it's challenging TechSoup is a nonprofit so let me pull this up I forgot about that I haven't brought this I haven't seen anyone bring this up in a long time it is TechSoup.org so explore our nonprofit tech marketplace so there's there's discounts that can be had so yeah for William and I know your regular watcher of the channel hopefully this is helpful for you good luck with that and also are you waiting for past keys with Bitwarden cautiously optimistic I think past keys is neat it's a nice iteration so I'll kind of I'm still a big YubiKey fan I still have mine right here I really like these I've done videos on them I know this is different than past keys but I don't know I'm I will see how the adoption is for past keys I actually think because some of the big companies are behind it we're gonna see more adoption of it but it's not the end of all problems it's just a changing things a little bit but I'm so excited to see it I'm always cautiously optimistic when I see new security things out there because so many things were solved in for example if you follow Steve Gibson he talked about the whole squirrel thing I think it's awesome he really took the time to engineer something clever but he doesn't have a name like Apple and Google so until we get the mass adoption that's always the challenge there's all kinds of cool secure things out there but until you can get them built and integrated into the things we use they'll never really get mass adoption and become very popular but hey I'm so excited that it's coming I think they have some 365 AT piece of discounted that was gonna be back over on the TechSoup so yeah check out TechSoup.org that is definitely kind of neat if you're in the nonprofit space. What do you think about Ubiquiti potentially releasing a NAS Cody McTillkommers showed a photo of the A site where it appeared in photo thoughts hot garbage I don't know Ubiquiti's got a lot of money and that money's letting them just throw things at the wall and see what sticks I don't blame them for doing or trying to do I should say innovative things but you have to really be in something for a long term and I think they should focus on making all of their stuff that they're good at better which by the way they have they finally after number of years of doing it in a different manner have decided to come back to the real world and go I guess we should integrate open VPN this is probably something people would like to see in a firewall and I'm happy to see that Ubiquiti is improving their firewall stuff so back to is it going to be hot garbage I don't know they may do a really good job on it I think they've done a reasonably good job for their NVR system for example their NVR and their cameras I think it's a nice platform it's got some nice features availability is tough but that's more of a supply chain not a ubiquity issue trust me no company wants more customers trying to buy the product they can't get it they want to sell as much product as the market can demand and match that but I know supply chain issues and that's just because it takes from the time of inception till delivery of product there's a lot of time that goes into it and if you happen to choose one of the chips that are less available than others I know that's what drives a lot of it so it can be a challenge you be keys are great love showing text that you can sort SSH keys on them yes and you can even I have a video now oddly it's not integrated as well as I'd like once again it's in the latest versions of SSH but you can use part of the not just restoring your keys but you can use the UB key as part of your authentication with SSH I did a video on it but the challenge comes down to not your system which is probably modern and up to date but the system that you log into supporting it so create some challenge I wish you be he can set more login so many websites these days login to FA is good practice back to the adoption problem that's really what it comes down to I'll ask you to mention it and go quiet respect from Poland you are famous in the Polish it world well that's cool I long ago as he would have been I am third generation some of my family was from Poland but a third fortune is a while ago so I don't really have any deep connections but there's actually some Polish communities here that I've that are pretty cool wine dot is a adjacent city to where I live and it's got a good Polish community and you can even get some good Polish food yeah it's unfortunate that for Steve SQR was like a life work question recommendation for a self-hosted email service band virus filter you only trust cloud email or do you only trust the cloud email services so critical I don't see the point in trying to host your own email it's a headache matter of fact we just had a client who I think is hosting your own email send me not a nice letter because he thought we were ignoring them turns out he couldn't figure out how to get us not in the spam so we had to message him in a different way to get that I I this is not the first time this has happened I have people that can't figure out why they can't get emails from my forums it's always a cell I've got like a DM on Twitter where a person can't get emails from my forums I'm like I'm using like normal stuff and it sends it to all the major providers your email server has a problem they're like when he helped troubleshooting my email server I'm like this is why I don't really recommend email the other side is true too getting yourself off of the spam list and staying off of it is hard we just had a business reach out to us because they went with some cheap I don't even know what they were doing something else and they're like oh no you know using office 365 is too expensive but it's just not worth it get a copy of your email so you have backups of it that's something you can do but as far as hosting it even I don't want to deal with that I used to be a mail server admin I'm actually very well versed in this and I have no interest in doing it anymore I'll just be honest I just donated a mere pittance to the ride but if everybody's watching those in a meager pittance we can make a sizable that that is awesome and thank you very much for your donation I greatly appreciate it that is awesome because this is the by the way this is all going to the ride for MS so this is you know in case anyone's wondering I'm just peddling and so are all the teammates peddling so that's hard to in here what are your thoughts on Linux packages such as open VPN requiring GUIs to be made by third parties is it an efficient use of development time Linux packages requiring GUIs I don't know that I've ever wanted a UI for oh I mean like to me open VPN first it's integrated in PF sensors a common setup but it's integrated into the UDMs it's a great lots of things so generally the integrator who writes it will put something together and by the way you can get a whole UI system from open VPN they have a whole standalone system as far as you're talking about like the endpoint UI I don't know I mean it's once again I don't see any problem with the one there that they have so I see Jason Raj jumping in over here too I hate I still run a mail server and it sucks yes it does but I don't know about the open VPN thing I I've never really put a lot of thought into it because it's just not been a big deal to me to do the the gnome integrated one works well I found a bug in it that I don't know if it got fixed it probably got fixed in an update I had found a bug I was running into but I couldn't reproduce it on someone else's computer so it might be a Tom bug I frequently if I open VPN I'm just habit of doing it from the command line but there is a gnome element you can do in a bunch of that works it was working fine until it wasn't in my Papa West I don't I didn't troubleshoot it very much I know some Polish magic and I like Polish kawasa but that's about the extent of my Polish heritage cool Jason runs a Mavis in our spam it works but it's work yeah I used to run what did I use to run for my mail server Proc mail recipes that I pipe through I can't remember the service that I was using at the time it's been so many years I've now forgotten but it was prock mail combined with a third party service I know we used to use the Sophos was our AV system because back then it was really a big deal that Sophos had an AV integration that all worked in Linux because I did all Linux mail servers I had to take a stab in the dark because I'm I'm pretty sure Jason runs a BSD mail server if I had to guess Jason's actually a big free BSD guy dude if you think you want Sophos an email you probably want his white label email which is super easy a choice of MS or Google Amazon yes 5k for a home lab what recommendations you can buy a lot for 5k I wouldn't unless unless electricity is a big concern you can find a lot of used equipment on eBay and things like that I'm assuming based on the way you put the money thing there and as pounds that you're in the summer like the UK I don't know what the pricing is there but if electricity is a concern do look at building some of the low voltage stuff but it it's not about home lab recommendations in terms of hardware more comes down to what do you plan to do with it and that's really where the the real question comes in what do you plan to use it for that's what drives what you're going to buy for it's a good discussion to have over my forum so what does the future of MSPs look like more of the same the MSP community is interesting it's actually getting more and more mature I think the future that many of us and Jason Segel will probably chime in on this because it's something we are aligned on and something we think about is we need to get some better certification so the small businesses because if I was not in the tech space and it was my task to pick an IT provider I don't want that task that sounds hard and the reason I say that is because there's a lot of people who present very well but don't do things very well how do you know unless you're on the tech side well I know when I go to a doctor there's some university things on the wall I know when I go to accountant there's the CPA there is things that they have to accredit them I know when I want a contractor I want a contractor who's properly bonded insured especially because I have to have a tree trimmer come out and while I'm positive I can get a lower price from the the guy with the pickup truck I want someone who is more than just some guy with a truck and a saw I want someone who's insured bonded professional and how do you distinguish that in the IT it's a little bit less mature I think of a field but getting there where we have to have some certification program so I think in the future there will be some validation that goes on IT companies that will give consumers or businesses a better understanding of like what the status of these companies are I want a VPN GUI that lets me add and remove users generates all the one OVPM files with the keys and whatnot with automatic key generation and revocation and let me view all the logs relevant IP connected whatever for entire logs yeah uh and for clients I just want to double click find call it a day yeah I'll be nice as I said yep BST I thought she said all the stuff most stuff is BST so I like uh if you if you look it up me we talked about this uh he's been I gotta bring him back on the show sometime but Michael Lucas is awesome and if you don't haven't heard the name Michael Lucas you've probably heard of several of his books are really good books on things like SSH and lots of free BST and he's got his SSH mastery book ZFS mastery and his BST mastery but he used to write I went right here BST I always think of the columns I didn't know he used to write I think starting in the 90s or early 2000s they were called the big scary daemons and he would have fun articles he wrote uh for things like that Michael Michael Lucas is awesome you can find an interview with him on the channel from years ago I'm bringing him back he's just a really interesting character and I see character because if you've ever met Michael Lucas you're like that guy's a character he's he's a lot of fun uh he's a yeah probably not is the attic a good place for a small home lab but gets hot in the summer heat is the enemy of computers if you think about things at scale and data centers what are they trying to do they build giant elaborate heat removal systems the HVAC systems are a big piece in consideration of not just the data centers but even your home lab anyone who's had a small area by which they tried to run things in they realize oh there's a lot of heat in here so that may not be the best place for it that may be a pretty terrible place because of the heat 5k will last about one month of the electric bill in the UK okay yeah uh power uh powers cost one but don't forget noise output heat output and the corresponding cooling requirements yes those are all things yes yes uh have I deployed a domain that requires ube key authentication no Jason does have some maraki stuff too well maybe we'll talk about some maraki stuff on the channel now that we uh me and Jason Sligo have merged our companies well after depending on we are watching this July 1st is the official but we're in the process of merging our companies together I want to have pfSense restart radius every night at midnight so I can change the guest password I know where the radius user files are but I don't know the best way to restart the radius service you could put a cron job to do it but I don't understand why you would need radius to restart to do it wouldn't you just need to change it because radius is being queried for the guest password I'm assuming based on how you're I've implied at least that you have it set up and it's you could probably just write something that changes that password so uh probably post that in the pfSense forums but you can just do cron jobs the services in pfSense can be restarted just like any other service and it shouldn't be a big deal to restart it that way but I think there's probably a better way of doing it I watched so many of your videos since I found uh David Bommel's co-lab great channel you should be proud thank you very much I haven't talked to David in a minute um I need to reach out to him again I look this way because there's a sysco laying on the floor and I got I actually got the review about done I just got to like turn it into a video I but I'm still using I got a couple of these sysco units and they're not bad but I figured I'll talk about some of these sysco small business units that I've been testing I've already talked about how bad the sysco dashboard is and I don't even think I feel like revisiting how bad that is but the units themselves like the switches independently are actually pretty good I like the switches I just can't I'm just not big on the uh I'm just not real big on the what do you call it so oh let's see all right make sure I don't have any emergencies on my phone so uh let's see what certification do you requirement for IT folks learning systems and everyone uh it's not a requirement it's a nice to have they it can be challenging sorting out IT people I'll figure out who is or is not good at what they do certifications can be a filter for that we do encourage I do and as the people at CNW do that people level up and get some certifications but it's not an absolute mandate that you have to have it I'm proof if you will like I don't have certs but I've been working in the business for over 25 years you know since 1995 I've been doing this and yeah it's it's challenging but what you do is I especially if you don't know what you want to do in IT that's where search are really good um to get you some direction going I don't know what I want to do and search can help give you a structured learning path to say all right my goal is to get this particular certification that may require you learning several things so I think there's good reasons to get them and of course if the job your eye and has that as a requirement on there go get that cert uh we ask people to get certs that help us with partnerships of vendors yep that too uh part vendor partnerships uh there's search for those too so there's a lot around that I recently purchased a tp link dx 23 access point uh you can only manage from an iOS or android app I was running open wrt on the tp link wireless routers using the access access points those are interesting um are you watching mental outlaw videos you know I he does some new stuff but I don't really watch a lot of my news on YouTube YouTube is not where I get my news from I don't see much in a way maybe I'm wrong but I he still looks like news topics because someone had asked me before about mental outlaw I don't really know anything about the person who runs the channel uh but they have some random videos on there that appear to be like covering current topics which is fine I do that but from a consumption standpoint I read faster than I I listen to the podcast but I also listen to them at like two x or more and YouTube I can only speed up to two x unless I go through the trouble of downloading it and frequently I kind of prefer to read um so I don't listen to a lot of news things via YouTube right now kubernetes and docker yes kubernetes and docker are extremely popular I need to get my kubernetes cluster working but focus right now is on finding hardware for the arms side of the cluster yeah that's the the kubernetes stuff is it's a hot topic right now because it's a nice orchestration tool but it's a complicated one so not everybody knows it therefore there's a demand for this tool that can do all these things but then finding people who can manage something there's actually a really good debrief reddit did on their failure when they had to update kubernetes and uh it's kind of a fun thing to read through because kubernetes being complicated is the way you could sum up what happened to reddit a few months ago now summing up what happened to reddit now is a completely different problem learn not worried about kubernetes anymore so they've they went into self-destruct but I don't know I'm I'm not big on uh the the consolidation of the internet so I accept it when it does happen sometimes but actually I don't I'm seeing some appeal off to forums there's a reason I never put my forums on reddit by the way I always kept them separate from reddit and that's not by any accident I have the ability to maintain and control and host my forums which means I get to set the rules and things like that and that is my preferred way to do it that's why I do it that way yeah kubernetes is awesome until it's in production and the networking explodes yeah when kubernetes goes wrong it goes wrong what is your recommendation on good wireless ap solution uh tp links to good but their software is horrible I'll agree with that tp link I don't think has the best software honestly is as much as people want a competitor to unify and I agree I would love to see more competitors to unify but unify makes a really good product and are really hard to compete with speaking of which that's one of the topics I have today I am almost done with my review of the ultra wireless uh chris from crossdoc solutions finished his review uh me and chris by the way we completely talk quite a bit like about things like this ultra reached out to us and you know me and chris talked about these and I've got one set up here I've got another one this one I was I just took it back from my office but the this is a company that is claiming to be a unify competitor and I say claiming and I'm going to put together not chris's review is solid watch chris's review on it but I have a slightly different take in terms of what I think of the company and I think they're not doing a bad job so too long didn't watch the video tom will probably get done tomorrow is I think alt is a pretty neat company but they need to and I did a youtube short on purpose to say I switched my wi-fi to alta and then I mentioned that video that they're cloud only because I wanted you the audience to start leaving all the comments that I absolutely expected you to leave hey cloud only count me out fair enough fair enough and I agree with you completely on there because they told they they implied at first they were going to have a cloud or a self-hosted option not cloud only when I engaged and talked with them they're like oh no we're we're definitely you know had like a zoom meeting if you will they're like oh no we're going to be cloud only and then I talked to chris I'm like yeah they tell you cloud only chris is like yeah they said cloud only I said fair enough so I did the video and said they're cloud only that got us a response both me and chris we got an email and the email says we're working on a locally hosted version because apparently the audience cares about a locally hosted version so here we are my review is going to talk about the email I got and I'll talk about who runs the company and I think it's it's one of those it works and uh I see uh let's see this is one of the things that Jason's bringing up he's not wrong about this unify is good for non-challenging wi-fi environments and in challenging environments we solve unify problems by throwing more unifies at it you there is and maybe we'll revisit this there's definitely some things you can do with some of the other higher end wi-fi but I don't know I'm mixed on this and maybe me and Jason will uh have a debate about this and we'll we'll do some testing on it and the uh I really want to break down where we're unify fails and where unify doesn't because we've done them in some pretty complicated projects but Jason's running some problems so we're we're going to see where some of the middle is on that so that's going to that's definitely going to be pretty interesting to do because our solution is like to turn down the rf experience on the unify when there's a congestion environment and put more unify in but you could say well time you could get you could solve this with a single um oh auto channel sucks yeah okay auto channel sucks we'll go with he's not wrong there he wins that argument but what it comes down to is when the other when the other competing products have substantially more cost and I can then put in a couple more unify cheaper I kind of solve the problem in a different way so different ways to solve the problem but yeah um the altar labs is actually this is this is the part I'm going to cover in my video altar labs this is the same qualcomm as the unify has like the same chip in a different design and of course you'd say well the firmware is different yes but not that different when I say not that different the firmware they're using is open wrt just like unify the guy who wrote the firmware used to work for ubiquity now we work for Ulta so I'm going to cover some of the behind the scenes of Ulta the they are staffed with several former ubiquity people who were firmware developers and product people at ubiquity so the product itself and I like I said they're off to a good start because the coverage on this has been solid the problems we had were like none it just worked so I think they're doing some cool things with this I believe the wattage usage is higher on the Ulta but they're also doing dpi so they have some filtering and dpi capabilities that make them a little bit different than unify and by doing that it stresses these a little bit more and I so the wattage usage seems to be a little bit higher but not that much and it didn't cause any problems and therefore I think it's a pretty cool product so I have a favorable review but they don't have the local host the controller out so when would you buy it you know the opinion is probably gonna be the same uh is gonna be hey you can't people will want to buy it as soon as they can have a locally hosted controller I I just when you're a cloud company a cloud only company selling me a bunch of wi-fies it's hard for me to bet on you that she especially when you're new your startup you only have a handful of people that's awesome that you're able to get a product out that's a big challenge to even get to market with a product like this but if you go out I have something I can't manage these are only managed through the cloud there's no local way to manage these so I it's a lot of faith I have to put in to sell something that I hope will continue to work that is where the big challenge is with these companies so yeah that's just a big hang up for me of putting that faith that they will be here tomorrow because if they're not here tomorrow and our cloud goes away so does all of my ability to manage these devices but yes uh unified management is just a layer on top of linux boxes yeah well on top of open wrt so they're they're running open wrt on these on the access points um the switches I can't remember I think the switches might be partially vio spaced and so are there well I think they're more custom now but like the early generations of the edge series and some of the other ones were vios forks is it bios or there's a fork before bios I think bios is another fork there's another fork of another one they're all based on some of these open source things with tons of customization but yes all linux inside that's what powers the ubiquity world uh I think it's so let me so let's share the tab throw it up so vios which a lot of people I it's a pretty cool system I don't know that I plan on doing a video on it people always ask me for a video on it and what's the audience that wants me to do it I mean there's always those few people but one I don't use this every day and if I did maybe I do videos on it but I think it's so niche that you don't have enough people that would even view the video it's kind of like the same people who asked me about um doing meek or tick videos and by the way there's another youtube channel the network burg he does you he does make your tick videos they barely get any views and he's got a good sized channel and a good following and I I've referred people who say I'd like a meek or tick video I just know there's like enough people asking about it but when they find out like oh this is a little bit harder than I thought they're gonna go back to wanting to have a video about something like pf sense the ubiquity switches are actually pretty nice I gotta admit I like the ubiquity switches uh let's see I can log into one of them real quick here I do well I've talked about recently the changes ubiquity decided to make with the way they do their trunking now or the way they label their trunking so they've actually made it for reasons I don't know they changed it like it's not that confusing after I started using it but I'm just like why would you change it like I spent a lot of time uh doing it a certain way in a video and explaining it and documentation for years the same way and then you change to be something different but yeah it's the way they do things like their port manager I think they do a nice job they brought a nice UI to doing port management and things like that on switches I gotta admit I I think they've done this a good job on that so my overall feelings and ubiquity are like okay you guys you know you brought it easier especially for the homeland people that's why they're hard to compete with because they're giving you a self-hosted controller and at the same time you get this kind of nice interface for managing all of it that's that's a pretty good deal and I don't I think it's just hard for a competitor to start up in the market and try to instantent market I mean tp link ohmada came close because they just copied everything ubiquity is doing right down to the interface I mean talk about copying it's if you've looked at the ohmada interface it's not kind of like unifies it's a whole lot like unifies which is neat people know it and but they didn't bother innovating they just copied they didn't make a better copy either they actually kind of copied some of the goofiness too so there's that back to the pf sense topic because uh something else i'm gonna bring up about pf sense so let's uh log gotta log into it my way to really express what I want to say so let's go here and what version are we running we'll probably have to update it again so another version but zoom in a little make it easier for people to read oh there's a new one because I'm running the latest builds but yes pf sense is in beta we'll go ahead and update it to the latest beta I'm doing a video on it soon uh maybe else wait till it comes out to do the video because people will be excited about it but people keep saying it's it's so closer you know that uh it's almost here and I'm like yes it's almost here but it takes a while for the CE edition by the way in the meantime did you know pf sense plus is free so oh Jason's making lots of new friends uh the merger video I did link to Jason's profile so yes there's um there's definitely a uh gonna be a lot of connections that Jason Jason gets from that that's gonna be fun uh is you if I can show her sluggish like a mana I don't find it sluggish at all I I actually find the let's share this tab I don't go over here let's look like it's systems like you're watching me do this in real time so I'm gonna go with mine's not sluggish but if you run this on something that's really slow then it's not it's gonna be sluggish because you put on a slow system but I'm able to jump between all of these with these topology jump over to the dashboard I don't find the interface sluggish at all at least not on my system see page will automatically reload the system's rebooting I should will it's virtual so we'll share this here we can watch it reboot because we're doing it live perhaps already discussed if not what your thoughts on proxmox ve 8.0 I don't use proxmox but I don't have anything against it so if you like proxmox and it's the it's the system you really want to use use it jay has some videos on it from jay from learnlinux tv learnlinux tv videos are really solid tutorials and uh you can learn proxmox there I just don't use it we don't have anybody I don't even really run into people in the commercial space that use it I know that they have some commercial uses but it's really not something I it I've only done migrations from people away from it now granted I'm going to be biased because my bias is I talk about xcpng therefore it's going to be people who also um want xcpng so that's probably the biggest reason why I wish more UI switches had more 2.5 gig offerings I don't even like 2.5 gig I'm not gonna lie I think it's dumb so that's why I haven't talked about it a lot I think it's like why why do we come up with a half standard after so we have we have the one gig standard and then circa 2006 we get a 10 gig standard great let's move to it no somehow let's go back and do a 2.5 gig but why I don't maybe I'm just missing things yeah yeah it's distance I know it's because you can run 2.5 gig over cat 5e you can run 5 gig over cat 5e so but I don't know it just feels such a small incremental thing and it seems like a headache like I guess I know the why but it just it doesn't make me any happier I don't like the standard just 10 gig works 10 gig works for cat 5e I have 10 gig connected on cat 5e because I'm too lazy to repull wire in my studio here I have I have cat 5e at my office running 10 gig because answer again Tom didn't feel like rewiring it why because it works it over short distances I should say is it worth paying for pfSense devices I've been running it on a mini pc cheap nut but needs an upgrade soon you know I like the neckate devices because I trust them that's what we're gonna put at our business clients I think they're really solid they come you know preloaded with pfSense plus I'm like I said I think they do a good job I don't have nothing against them but do you need it that's kind of an up to you thing buying it does support the pfSense project so there's also that as a benefit but if you are budget constrained I don't frown upon people who go I didn't have the budget to afford the nice necky a200 so I bought xyz box that I could find that was really cheap I mean obviously I I prefer to support neck gate but I don't shame people who decide not to buy my preferences to buy them they're extremely reliable I think they're a very high quality product I think they're very well engineered and well designed so that's my opinion on them uh is a neck gate a200 6100 overkill too expensive for a home lab I don't think so I'm either one of those that we see actually a lot of people buying a 6100 for a home lab it comes down to your budget I mean if you can afford nicer stuff buy nice stuff but if you're going ah I'm gonna have to eat ramen noodles for a little while to afford this I mean pick your choices on there they make a very dependable reliable product but you know don't don't go broke buying it I realized I try to be very conscious of the home lab audiences that I know are often more getting started in tech it may not have the budget for things so I try not to this is something where I think Linus has dialed it back a bit but I know Linus he had a lot of popularity for showing off some ultra expensive things and that's fun but at some point you kind of go well I want to be able to talk about things that I can get my hands on so I especially eat me and Jeff Geerling and several Jay from World Lake CB we're all friends and we've chatted we've talked about yeah the Raspberry Pi videos aren't very popular because the first question is always well we can't get them why bother talking about them and it kind of goes yeah I don't I don't want to talk about things people can't have I want people to participate and be able to go Tom talked about this cool thing that's in my budget that I can buy and also play with and that's you know comes circled to like open source is one of the reasons I like a lot of those projects you can play with these in your lab I wish more consumers realized that 10 gig had been current Jen for more than a decade yeah more than a decade is this a cash grab for abusing customers it's the retooling involved that makes it kind of a challenge upgrade progress day went okay no major issues only home setup though awesome cable companies kept two and a half big limitations welcome to Charter's Roll yeah you can't really determine that though that the issue is two and a half gig versus 100 versus 400 versus 10 gig not sure you can sense it well enough or it could be wrong I've done some testing of out of spec cabling benefit which really interesting is me and he's on the he's on the committee I've done an interview with him he does the state he's on the the IEEE standards committee but we talked about where the overhead is how you can go out of spec I've also done a video using a game changer that's their brand name game changer cable and be by twisting it a little bit different they're actually able to get substantially now granted it won't certify but they're able to go substantially further with some of the cables I say won't certify because the length of the cable is a determining factor and whether or not you can certify you cannot have a cable certifier that because they can recognize the distance of the cable but you don't want that to go beyond the distance because now you're out of spec but it is cool that you can play with the numbers and stretch the bandwidth a little further in the cables and it's kind of neat so I like those cheap noodles too Raymond Ram Raymond or ramen I don't know Raymond or ramen call them what you want there's there's still one of my favorite lunches you get some ramen noodles some kimchi and some soy sauce sometimes I'll throw in there it's a pretty simple meal when you get it cooked up you drop an egg in there maybe two eggs while it's boiling boom you got yourself a meal I still something I like speaking of gearling what's up with red hat and sento s we talked a little bit about the homelab show they're making a lot of changes I don't really have a fully formed opinion until I take the time to deeply deeply read and understand what they're doing here but yeah red red hats definitely not making any friends in the community by sounds like only providing certain sources to the the is it the sento a stream I think is only get it I don't know I'm we me and Jay talked about it Jay has a lot to say about it we covered it on a homelab show yesterday apart from that gate support due DIY versions cost the same cost less for the same performance kind well this is where things get a little fuzzy I talked before and I got a weird email from them about it I did a video about all the failures we've had with some of the boxes and the company it was funny because they didn't they didn't reply to me but this is the interaction I had I talked about several of these boxes failing and I mean like five or six of them so okay these failed that sucks and we replaced them we bought them years ago they were only about four years old but four years old for a hardware firewall to fail is not good and I had commented under failures that company reached out says well you should have reached out to us I'm like did you you know that these are problematic and I said did you reach out to me because you see any youtube video and what you if I wasn't someone who would have posted on youtube would you even have replied to me if I had asked you to replace something that was out of warranty dead air never replied to me I just want to know the truth you know are you mad because that uh or you're mad because it's you're mad because I'm a youtuber would you help me if I wasn't if I was if I didn't have a voice of a community that a community was engaged with would you have even bothered so yeah uh so let's move on to this excellent point would say 10 gig over 2 e sadly uh mb's manufacturers and chips and run them have not got the mainstream consumer market yeah it takes a while to get to the consumer market because the two and a half gig comes out and then a pandemic happened and supply chain happened and everything else I've been behind in a video but you can't knock ramen rum noodles or even better drunken noodles look that up those are good too Jason nailed it here red hat is doing dumb that sets up uh I think red hats red is turning a little to a blue hat well this IBM purchased them and uh then our IBM recently remembered oh yeah we bought red hat um let's go shake the money tree uh no you know we didn't even get to the talk about Synology cameras we'll talk about that next uh because I'm really happy with it what's your take on rubus switches they seem to work fine I really haven't had any complaints about them we only used a handful we never deployed any of them at scale but we never had we've run into plenty of clients with them and they seem to work I would not I would not say that they've been a problematic switch but the Synology camera is on the other hand let's I forgot that I posted my first I was like people ask about Synology cameras like no Tom did post a picture of himself posing with a Synology camera so it makes sense I wanted to talk about that today the real issue there is retooling the one gig chip to do a two and a half gig isn't hard doing 400 megahertz is a tougher thing no yeah and there's also I've learned talking to engineers at places about the the chip companies changing things up on them and the way Intel quietly it was an article it takes you down an engineering rabbit hole it's not something you find necessarily in the mainstream news but the way these chips work is obviously they expect if I'm going to spend my engineering time designing a PCB board for a switch to use this particular chip I expect variation there's actually like some expectations where you'll get guarantees for this many years of support in this many product line and there was a bunch of controversy and the only place that I found any articles on it and this goes back like a year or two ago was from Veronica covered it and Intel changed the terms of how they're doing some of this stuff and made some of it harder for these developers and of course it made it incompatible because they also made another some type of driver change it was I didn't completely like I didn't I don't remember the article in detail but it was like that's interesting because there's an engineer in a Reddit forum talking about the pain that Intel kind of inflicted for them having to retool a bunch of things but yeah there's a lot to it um that can come into that so yeah yes oh let's see 5g internet using pf sense can speed test full seize we can't perform my arc home backs 100 400 any ideas depends on the destination and there people run into even speed tests because you'll find once you start going beyond one gig internet you may find some places have throttling they may throttle you to a certain speed that's just the way things end up and not much I can really point you in the right direction on that the easy way to test it is take the pf sense uh and and just use it like take your van make it to another local access and see if it's any type of routing going through pf sense causing a problem not a fan of the protect telly it moved to netgate but the support was good when I had issues uh three years after purchase that's good by chance to protect protect telly devices use a j-1900 from intel there were some intel chips the ones we had did not it was not a j-1900 problem and I will catch you later after dinner if i'm still around I don't know how long this is going to go for uh how the new g5 cameras um unified downgraded to the hundred you don't need one gig to have cameras by the way uh is the intel nick paying maybe why we're seeing so many real techniques now or is it just the cost difference availability is part of it too uh who intel's the gonna be your preferred nick vendor but if you can't find intel you but you want to get product out the door you got to figure out a solution that's uh yeah lots of services throttle so fun to tell my buddies I have that yeah let's go ahead and share this tab and said but but what I need to do here is there we go people complain because they can hear all the birds so I have to mute the screen audio are there any pf sense tools to block those annoying ads and speed it up from browsers uh not really what you want to do is I recommend using um ublock origin that would be my suggestion if for browser stuff they there is pf blocker but ublock origin is going to be uh better for that let's see why does flow control need to be enabled on proper 2 gig ivd and pro firewall switched off 10 gig february and remove a switch by critique controller multi-gig adapters tunefki uh I don't know I don't know what problem you're running into ui ap you recommend uh florida bigger house currently have a moda ep 16 and switching I like the uh for home use to unify lr long ranges are really good by the way you're looking at a sonology camera here um this is I've been really happy with how good it looks any word on single pane of glass for multiple client that gate pf sense management it's in the works but they don't put dates on things like that so unfortunately no intel melanox chelsea well you know melanox and chelsea are great once you're 10 gig and above they're they're popular but I'm not even certain if they offer maybe I haven't looked into it if they even offer a two and a half gig option if there are no intel that you must choose between real tech broadcom aquanas or some other weird options yeah if you like chris had mentioned if you look at things like melanox and chelsea oh you're talking about not something that's kind of like intel you're talking about something that's probably even better those are companies that make some really good chips uh so they're not going to be the budget choice any news on the xe xtp and g ui update yeah they have a blog post about it I talked about it two weeks ago so there's not much on it um they're targeting I think they said like this later this year so that's pretty much when I'm hoping to uh see that later this year that's what the goal is um what happened to the timelash project we were talking about which one I have some time lapses I did I gotta I gotta turn them into videos the content creation is quite kind of a big thing uh fastest way to perform a wrong copy rsync but rsync over ssh is going to be slower so I don't know generally I mean it's usually rsync is probably one of my go-tos starting on a little bit uh rsync is probably my go-to when it comes to get get data from here to over there but frequently because it's from nas to nas it's usually moving over nfs or smb those are the two popular uh platforms I'll do it annoying by bird sounds which I can wake up every morning on that sound I do get to listen to bird sounds I like waking up so waiting for a day in tom's life video it's a boring day of me sitting in front of the computer a lot so it's it's me doing this typing away I don't know what to film when it comes to a day in my life but I will I will since I made the merger announcement uh the cnwr office is pretty cool and getting cooler they they just got a new office and it's it's cooler than mine I'm not gonna lie so I will be talking about the cnwr office I'll probably do some videos from there so yeah I got more places to film oh let's see here the sonology camera though one of the things I really like about it and let's go ahead and actually go into the camera setup I'm gonna have my updated review of it but I just like the way these cameras work and if we go here if you want to change network settings on the camera connection all that they just did a nice integration and I like the fact that I can mix and match so here's the sonology camera that's running this and I get all these and these are what the menus look like because all these features are enabled in there and I can update them but here's my look at my driveway cam less menus but I can still do optimizations live view stream all these other advanced features all work fine with the non-sonology cameras as well so I'm really happy I'm probably gonna do like a whole getting started with sonology video breaking it all down we sell a lot of sonology they just they are really set in for get it trouble-free device it is well if you go through our tickets you're like yeah there's not a lot of tickets for sonology um because once you set up these nbr's and stuff outside of hey can you help me get this recording because some people are just less technical and or hey um we're running out of storage because I changed all the settings yeah that's a that's a support question but people who don't poke at it definitely don't have don't have problems with it it's definitely pretty cool uh sonology camera as an app or hardware it's both you have the sonology recorder and the sonology camera so it's both we've been testing it now how long did I do that sonology video is it like two months ago it's been running pretty much continuous um it wasn't outside the whole time it was at my office for a while and we moved it to here so yes nonetheless it's uh I'm the whole combination of things the surveillance system who's unknown oh no someone's on the porch and it's my wife some packages I haven't I haven't doing some face recognition on the porch so it it lets me know someone was on the porch it's weird because it says unknown but I have my wife in the face database probably don't have the good uh good shot of her in there can I set up a pfs that's way on land with fiber optic connectivity up to 10 gig yes yeah you can do that you can you have to get a board that has sfp support and then get a fiber optic connector for it apps can't connect to vm's running inside virtual proxmox which is running my dnsv causing issues that need dns oh that was the other part of the question trying to decide if I don't know what I'm doing or if I found a bug in shurnas scale doing something out of scope running proxmox on top of shurnas scale box networking problems apps can't contact vm's running inside the virtual proxmox um yeah I don't know there's there's not a bug but it's a feature but that I don't understand is if you virtualize inside of shurnas and I don't know why they did this but they've decided this is the way they want it done when you build a virtual machine inside of shurnas and we'll share this tab it's not a bug it's just the way they designed it so here's my tom's ubuntu system and the network that it's connected to so if we go to I'm gonna guess it's under whoops not delete twice there we go and we go to the nick and we edit the nick we say which nick are you attached to and I'm attached to this network card right here if that happens to be the same network interface that shurnas runs on I can't talk to it that's by their design look up bridging they have a way around it where you got to build a bridge between the devices but I don't know why it defaults like that that's not the way I think it should default so I've shared my opinions with the developer team they don't think I'm right someone said when me and Wendell from level one tech separately we both talked about this the people in the forum said we were just trying to get views and clicks on YouTube by complaining about it which I thought was kind of funny I'm like why we don't need want views and clicks complaining about something that's not what we do we want to do a tutorial that doesn't require setting up a bridge in a more complicated way so I don't know you might be running up that bug yeah I have a bridge separate your nest I'm right at the bridge inside of proxmox.com I don't know I've never tried running proxmox inside a shurnass never tried it before so you're in uncharted territory for tom but I do know you need a bridge for reasons I can't understand other than the developer said so I don't understand why the well the developers had a dumb reason that I said made no sense I said they did it for security I'm like what you have a nas who wouldn't want the VMs that are running inside of a nas to talk to the nas that doesn't make any sense to me so yes none the left it's just yes there's sometimes um there's a silliness that goes on occasionally with developers and it's it's a thing uh I don't know they have opinions I have different opinions that's that's where that's gonna land how long I've been going for I've been going for an hour so I probably have a few more things I want to get done what are the final questions we want to ask for Tom because at some point Tom is going to go do some bicycling because I need to get out and exercise I've been in been in a basement creating stuff for a lot and emailing clients and I have emails I have to reply to you still I try to make sure I keep up with anything I have to reply to customers on most it's actually on tickets I can't really say I've emails reply to I just make sure any of tickets that are assigned to me which are sometimes just engagements um and design stuff that I always keep on top of replying to everybody so oh let's see here what's not so I was using for the AI cams to you have to buy something models to get the AI cam AI no yes that's complicated well not too complicated there's two versions I have the analogy videos I have a video on the Synology DVA and I talk about the features of the Synology DVA series that is their deep video analytics system so I have videos on that separately I did a video of using the non DVA model and I these are both Synology videos you can find on on cameras one of them is how to do it with in let me pull it back up real quick how to do the detection with the Amcrest cameras so if we go to cameras here and we look at my driveway cam is an example we go to edit and you go down here to event detection and down here we have the ability to zoom too far in uh SMD SMD so these are the motion detection something like system motion detection whatever it stands for you check these boxes and then you log into the camera and have the camera itself doing the detection and when you're doing it that way you don't need a Synology that has the DVA functions but if you want the Synology to do the deep video analytics not the camera then you can buy one of the DVA models but there's some limitations with the DVA models because when you start processing it on the Synology you only have so many cores in your processor depending on which model to allow a certain number of those detections so I actually would recommend that you get the cameras that can do it now Synology release cameras that have in camera analytics so if you get the Synology camera analytics it's doing it in camera and you don't need a Synology DVA but if you want to do things that are the DVA features such as and we'll zoom back out here and show you with the DVA features you have the ability to do and my video goes in more depth on this you can go to face detection and you can have it detect and name people and then find them so it goes a step further it does license plate detection it does car counting or vehicle counting etc so there's more features you get with the deep video analytics inside here and they all can be combined together the the Synology is actually a pretty thorough and complete ecosystem there's a lot of stuff that you could do with it so it's pretty cool but yes there's there's a lot to the Synology platform it's going to it's it's all things that's why people hire us to set all these up for people and consult with what what they want to integrate but it's a good platform if you take by the way I say take the time to learn it because their documentation is good they have a lot of documentation with Synology this is one of those things that makes or breaks the product is not only you know does the product work well but is it documented so you can figure out how it works about surveillance can can you recommend panel ones with PF Sense is it best Wi-Fi wired or BSC connection nvr dvr thanks for help I would it doesn't matter when it comes to PF Sense the PF Sense doesn't really have much to do with your surveillance system so go with my recommendation for home users and for businesses has frequently been Synology they make a good platform I've talked about and if you look up like Synology Amcrest I have videos that cover the integration of the two and you can mix and match you don't have to use the Amcrest cameras but the Amcrest cameras work really well hardline is definitely the way to go not Wi-Fi Wi-Fi cameras can be more of a headache I'm not a big fan of them personally unless you absolutely have to use Wi-Fi ones but if you can hardline the cameras and PoE cameras don't go with anything that's BNC the BNC stuff is old and with the exception I know there's SDI which is the exception to that but for the most part most of the consumer level BNC stuff is I need to play with frigate for AI stuff the real ink nvr ain't that good after all in middle of the night it can freak out with while there's a car in your garbage yeah that can be fun showed up late caught up 2x was crazy so scrub and go awesome my cams are to unify so it'd be reading rtsp streams um and that is what I want to analyze but also looking to store 40 giga right here data okay if I'm busy something to sound you only support single uh network VLAN per port no you can do multiple um I think I never set them up though I usually I usually don't set them up that way I usually I usually do per port uh and set it up I think that maybe I'm wrong and maybe that's how you have to set up let's look real quick I just don't usually define the VLANs on Synology but I'm pretty sure you can define the VLANs on Synology I just not the way I do it throw it up here real quick so this one's not so edit yeah so you can grab a VLAN off of there so yeah you can send a trunk to it and grab a VLAN if you want so that does work I guess if that's what you're looking for I guess I don't know what the goal is either uh speaking of the old why is UIL a passive POE I don't know turbo officially your strategy cannot trunk ports yeah okay you're asking well I don't know what the goal is there because you can you can pull from a trunk port to get a specific VLAN off and if I'm not mistaken you can create um well I have to look I have to look since they updated to how the virtual machines work on there you want to use a single port and put two VLANs on it hmm hmm yeah I don't uh there might not be a way to do that that that answer to plends a lot where you're at so you can use Synology Surveillance Station on the pretty basic models and I don't I you get to look up the pricing it says it comes on to like the hard drives what size hard drive do you want you know the storage is a variable on there but you can you can go on Amazon and find them there the pricing isn't secret or anything at all so let's say you were buying a hundred dollar Amcrest cameras so a hundred dollars a piece for the cameras maybe several hundred dollars for this the unify of the Synology I said unify Synology box and uh you will need a couple licenses they're perpetual but they're one time purchase licenses you'll need for the cameras because it only comes with like two licenses so you're going to buy a couple more so maybe around a grand 1200 dollars it all depends on how much storage in which cameras the one where we talked about RTSP Unify Synology for time lapse oh yeah uh that worked that was that did we set that up a long time ago and it did work I kind of forget I know what you're talking about now uh it might be still working let me go look I don't know we ever turned it off we turned it on where's the surveillance station on this I'll find it uh so we got cameras there we go so yeah you can do that um I don't think we set up the time lapsing but this is a unify camera and you can see in the bottom corner here so this is a unify camera being fed into a Synology so yes you can do that I just didn't time lapse it because uh I ran out of space there was we were playing with it but then I didn't have a lot of space on this system and I wasn't going to add more drives just for that I just said I'm done it works I'm happy so all right we've gone an hour and nine minutes so thank you everyone who joined this has been awesome always love hanging out and talking with everyone here and love hearing from you in the forums engaging with on the socials sometimes on the twitters um I don't you know I I thought I would get more DMs the DMs on Twitter seems to be ramping up for spammers lately you know I thought when you know uh there was going to be some changes we'd see less spam but we certainly have not seen less spam it's always uh hello there beautiful and spammers on there and it's just yeah it's it's too much spam on Twitter but if non-spammers want to say hi on Twitter I'm okay with that too didn't answer km cake I don't know what is kmk I don't what's the kmk question you asked make sure you lube you clean your bike and remove any unused accessories before the race but my buck's on your team yes is that the question if you do the at Lawrence I don't always see them if you because the the tagging doesn't tell me anything other I usually assume when people are tagging they're uh replying to somebody else hey I'm glad I can help there hi from Germany no spam I didn't see what question you asked about those or did you send a did you send an email question I'm not sure why I gotta wind this down uh ping me on the socials hit me up over on the forums and uh what else you have uh okay I I I'm losing context for the question but hey the forums is a good place to ask questions because I definitely take the time to answer them all in there thank you everyone for joining I will see you next week and I'll see you after I've got more miles on my bicycle take care