 We Before that's right over here For real, that's great. And all my old stuff's behind this. I can't reach it I painted my whole house like all white and got rid of everything Well everything I have is in the garage and that's currently under construction Amber's just quietly superior. I don't have junk I've moved too much that's part of the problem. I I've moved a lot too, and I it's I don't know why I keep all this stuff. It's ridiculous Some of us are going nowhere fast though clearly Jen and I have issues Travel light I respect that I just cannot believe That they used to look like this. I have a st. Louis Cardinals football cologne bottle next to me. That's Wow, see what's in yeah, it's old. Does it smell like victory or just moving? I have a peewee Herman bobblehead Smells like wild country We could just kill an hour doing stuff like that. I know right? Oh, I had my gaming set. I have all my cool stuff in my office. I got nothing I have an oh you wait Oh my gosh, Len has the infinity gauntlet. Yes, it's a bank. It's on my desk. Oh, nice It comes josh brolin Yeah, you better keep keep that safe All right, are you all ready? Y'all ready for this Oh at the top will be a quick run through of the headlines. So Yeah, sarah and I will just read through those real quick and then we'll get into the main topics So we'll introduce you guys read some headlines then into the topics And so can I ask what's the uh, what's is there anything mission critical happening in the chat that we should be paying attention to or no just Just uh, folks speaking up suggesting titles for the show stuff like that. Yeah Crash comets about our food opinions Yeah, don't tell me how much they love me in there. So yes Because he makes them All right, here we go three two The daily tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside organizations If you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis Coming your way commercial free find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for friday april 27 2018 from dtns headquarters in los angeles I'm tom merit and from studio feline. I'm sarah lane We have a round table today joining us amber max speaker author host entrepreneur and just awesome person How's it going amber? I'm doing really well. Thanks so much for having me back on the show Absolutely also coming back to the show gen cutter freelance game journalist and producer gen. How are you doing? Well, i'm excited for my first round table here today I know and uh first time on the show. We're very excited to have Tristan zutra digital media instructor producer and host tristan. Thanks for joining us Thank you for having me great to be here from sunny vancouver. Ah, so we have Canadians, I don't know if you realize that From toronto to vancouver spanning the continent. Uh, we are joined by yeah Uh, of course also joining us from the other side of the border our our illustrator on friday's len paralta Hey, it's good to be here. Good to be representing the canada though. I am very close to toronto Yeah, you can see it from your house I can I'm good. Yeah, I can if you were to drive to toronto. How far would it be? Uh, not four hours That's pretty close. It's closer than san francisco in la. Yeah Yes, that's for sure. And we're on the and we're in the same time zone, which is very important Also on the same time zone is roger chang our producer time zone in the west coast. Yes So this is our round table show. It's a show we do once a month where we expand the regular show into a Full fledged round table discussion. Uh, we're going to do a full hour of meaty discussion with sarah And I and our guests. Uh, and while all of our topics cover the news of the day We still like to start with a few tech things you should know Let's start with amazon which is raising the price of prime for the first time in four years from 99 dollars annually to 119 dollars as of may 11th for subscribers now if you're already a prime subscriber you have until june 16th microsoft announced the windows 10 april 2018 update as it will be called will become available for all users april 30th just Barely in time to avoid being called the june 2018 update The update brings timeline which gives you access to the last 30 days of your activity from any windows device Focus assist that blocks out notifications and then when you turn it off We'll give you a summary of any notifications you missed and some new features for the edge browser things like muting tabs and autofill Apple is working on a wireless headset for both ar and vr sources till bloomberg The headset is reportedly slated to arrive in 2020 code named t 288 the project Still apparently in its very early stages. Hmm or is it a jj abram's robot for star wars? Apple announced thursday that it will sell out its existing line of airport products and discontinue it So airport express airport extreme airport time cancel once the ones they have in stock are gone That's it apple will continue to support the line for the next five years And they're posting a series of articles to help users pick new networking gear if needed A tech crunch reader noticed that amazon launched a portal for its home security products including the ability to order installation Packages range from 240 to 840 dollars with no monthly service fees The page is being promoted on amazon's smart home services page And finally, sony saw a rise in profit last year from 2.6 billion to 6.7 billion sales of the playstation 4 Fell a little bit 20 million to 19 million, but it is in its fifth year. So it's still doing really well Sony's gaming division overall led the way with the company with 1.6 billion dollars up over last year Mostly thanks to playstation plus subscribers sony's home entertainment and sound division also rose its mobile division posted a loss and Sony projected to decline an operating profit of 8.8 percent for the coming year as semiconductor profits will Be expected to fall 39 percent Due to a slowing market for image sensors Which is one of sony's big money makers as well as some currency things around a stronger yen So that is a look at the headlines sara. Let's get into the discussion Well, okay, jordan peel your friend and mine of key and peel and also oscar nominated get out Who's the director of the movie amber? This was actually your idea to talk about the The idea around this particular video, which jordan peel again in conjunction with buzzfeed Created something that made barack obama say something that he didn't actually say Yeah, absolutely. And I think we're seeing more and more of these videos out there And there are a variety ways that people are creating them many of them do use artificial intelligence This one in particular he actually used a face swapping video tool, which is called fake app And really interesting to see them create this video where they essentially put words into president barack obama's mouth Like he mentioned now many people may think that this is kind of brand new But in fact researchers in seattle Have been showing that fake videos can be created like this using ai and other technology tools And I think this really redefines the definition of fake news You know, we think that's just information or misinformation being Shared around the internet, but all of a sudden when we're able to put words in someone else's mouth It's a little bit worrisome It's it's like when photoshop first came along right when when air brushing first came along at first It's very disconcerting because we are set to evaluate things Based on how we expect them to to be created, right? If you see a photo it must be true and then when air brushing and then later photoshop came along We're like, oh it could be airbrushed look for the signs have some skepticism So my hope is that what this means and what buzzfeed did with jordan peel will be a way of educating people like Hey videos can be faked. So when you see something keep that in mind Yeah, I think I would like to believe that although I will say in the early days of photoshop What we saw is uh not necessarily the same sharing economy that we live in now when it comes to social network So I think all of a sudden the issue is that if a fake video like this does get out there That features a world leader or someone Perhaps who's a business executive that it will be shared so quickly and so rapidly across facebook and other networks That by the time we figure out that it's fake It won't matter anymore because so many people have already seen it and they already believe it And I think that's the difference that we're seeing now in 2018 You know, I'm always surprised Um, you know particularly like what you people say like that's photoshopped, right? It's like that's like a thing that you know, we've all gotten very used to being like is that real or not Yeah, in fact people accuse me of having a green screen uh for the video version And I don't okay. I thought it was a green screen Maybe but but I'm surprised we don't hear that more Um someone being like, oh that that horrible thing that I was caught on video saying I didn't do that That was a you know a Jordan peel type thing. Um, but I think that as That does tend to happen more and more What will be the way that you can get around it? For example, you know, is there somebody that was in the room Do you have to have two people in the room that can vouch for the fact that you didn't actually see? You know what I mean like how do we get How do we how do we get past that? I actually see a market that comes out of this which is basically A live notary who's physically there or a group of people in the same way you get a notary to notarize a document Like you know, if you ever do a real estate and you're not physically able to to sign that the documents where they are They mail them to you and you get a notary to note that you physically have signed it and and basically ensuring that Someone there other than yourself can vouch for its authenticity Yeah, I could see that happening as well. I mean, I I guess the concern is is just what Sarah is saying I think we're going to have this next wave of politicians who potentially come out and say They've heard about this technology and say I didn't do that. That's all fake So there's going to be an in-between period where it gets a little ugly I see you in our chat room is calling it the unscamy valley Well, there's also a number of organizations that are working on blockchain solutions to this sort of problem Where you might have an original version of a photo or some sort of audio or video recording And that's been somehow registered in a blockchain as the official version So that at some point someone could use a blockchain explorer and go and check the link to that Original version and compare it to another other versions that are floating around out there Companies like IBM actually are working on something called trust chain And then there's others like v-chain and whatnot to help with that actual problem because In this era in the last couple years, like no one knows what to believe anymore So hopefully some tech solutions will emerge to help us You know get over this this distrust of absolutely everything Yeah, I remember it was at the nab show a couple years ago. They had jordan peel President at this adobe conference where they were showing in less than 20 words You can start audio copying somebody And people were happy because they were thinking of it from the production side like oh great I don't have to call the actor back for adr, which everybody hates And I was horrified because I was waiting for something like this to come out And I'm really glad that buzzfeed and jordan peel did this video Made it go viral ahead of something truly awful coming up first Yeah, I mean the curse of The speed at which information travels that amber was rightly identifying Also helps because it's the speed at which a message like this can get out and people get familiar With the idea So it's it's almost like it's an arms race Between our literacy and ability to think skeptically about things and the ability of scammers to get something in front of people before They're familiar and used to it. Yeah, I mean, I know this sounds kind of naive but I think especially with the next generation we need to focus more on digital literacy and Get them to be a little more skeptical in terms of what they see and I mean I would love it if my son who's nine years old if his teacher would show him a video like this without the swearing at the end and Just educate him about the fact that this technology does exist So they don't believe everything they see online just like we were probably all educated about advertisements I remember, you know going through those classes where you saw advertisements and you had to start to understand how they were marketing to you They weren't necessarily true. So I think there's going to be this next wave of education. That's really necessary Maybe we can get the house hippo going broadcast worldwide. So everyone gets the same education that we did for those Things Full canadian records there wait the house hippo explains I don't even know that one Oh, this was a PSA where they were talking about the house hippo And there was this tiny little hippo that was crawling into socks and they were warning kids to be aware of this And then at the end it was a like concerned children's advertisers group. There we go That is the house hippo they find Canadian And this is like well back before cg was even much of a thing. So This was a fantastic way to get the point across to kids everywhere that hey not everything is real Okay, okay, so the point of it was to Was to trick kids into thinking tiny hippos were invading their house, but then tell them see. That's not true We Use this to like you had to clean up your stuff. How are you going to know if you have a house hippo if you have anything with your socks Wait, so she didn't disabuse you of the notion that it was Oh, yeah, no, she she was on board with hey, this is how we can get kids to do chores I actually love it as as as a way to to teach like not everything you see in video is real because that you know That was a very realistic looking hippo crawling around and that's not a recent thing Like I was a kid when that came out and I thought it was a well done commercial The problem is everybody wanted a house hippo In truth, we actually breed them that small up here due to Why? Oh boy, you guys are not helping our imagery now Canada seems chill. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's a good place, you know the funny thing about I You know, I have to go back to I am surprised that more people don't try to use Uh, the sort of like oh is a fake video as a way to get out of stuff. For example, I got hacked That's why I tweeted that weird thing. Oh, I got hacked, you know Or you know my facebook something happened on my facebook. I got my emails been down. Sorry, you know And that's one of those things where people are sort of like Maybe you didn't maybe didn't but we can't really prove that you didn't So, yeah, I don't know I I'm surprised that that doesn't happen more often Especially in people in positions of power. Well, it's it's still very difficult to do. I think that's part of it Tristan, right Well, yeah, and the other side of things too is like how long is it going to take before people start using it as a cudgel To distrust everything that they see. I mean now we the name of the phrase fake news got co-opted very quickly to attack Actually, like legitimate mainstream news outlets if you consider them legitimate But you know, some people don't but so every story that they disagreed with they started calling fake news So how long is it going to be before every video clip that people see that, you know, they think They're going to say oh, it's been manipulated and somehow we've we've seen accusations of the You know, some of the parkland victims being crisis actors for example So even things in the real world or whether it's you know gas attacks in syria people distrusting that so You know, is this actually, you know, it's it's great to raise awareness But now the people are aware are they just going to use that as an excuse to not believe anything unless they happen to agree with it Yeah, I think that's definitely a little bit worrisome And I think we're going to see more and more of these videos out there And we are going to need that that website or that that space you can go to online Where you're able to find out if that was legitimate video or not and I just think that Although there's no getting rid of this technology I would think at the end of the day the next few years are going to be kind of bumpy as far as really kind of Knowing what is real or not? And I think to sarah's point more and more people are going to say, you know, I didn't say that That's just a fake video. Didn't you see that technology that was used on buzzfeed. That's what happened Well, and I think the one thing to keep in mind is even now we don't Decide whether something is true simply on one signal, right? Certainly not a photo But we still trust photos. We still believe photos because we trust the center of the photo if it's on the cbc Or if it's on the new york times or if it's from deutsche villa, we were like, okay Those are common places that I I used to getting, you know, real information from i'll trust that Where it becomes a problem is in these these new fluid channels that we're just sort of learning To to trust. I think that's where the real concern is it's not that I won't believe every video It's that if someone passes me a video and I don't pay attention to where it's from Will I get fooled into thinking it's real before I realize? Oh wait, it's coming from some weird domain name that I've never heard of before Yeah, and I mean I would never recommend this as advice But I will say that I think all of us in tech know this if we want to see what's happening Next with the internet or with video fraud like we're talking about today Look to the porn industry because we saw this with deep fakes in terms of face swapping in porn Quite a while ago now. So I think that although I wouldn't say that's good for elementary school I think for the rest of us, it's interesting to see some of these technologies And these innovations happening in that industry because historically that's been the case And there are telltale signals even even if you look at this jordan peel video Once you know that it's faked you can start to see it You can start to see a little bit of the mouth not quite quite matching You can see a little bit of the jumpiness So I think we'll also start to build up that familiarity of what is real fluid motion video and what looks like maybe it would Might be suspect the way we've now started to catch on to air brushing and things like wait a minute. Hold on That's a little too smooth Uh and once that conversation starts then you get the crowd sort of vetting like no, that's real Here's here's a person who is there Here's another version of the video that shows the same thing and that that plays out in public Yeah, I think a bit of an arms race too as to how the technology improves and how we Improve it detecting it Yeah, for sure. It's going to keep bunny hopping right like as we get more As we get better at recognizing a certain kind It's going to get better and then we'll have to get used to that new kind Etc etc, but I was really impressed with the head movements that they could put into this I thought oh, maybe it'll be a static lock shot. No, that was that was pretty good if you're just watching that in passing And we can even just look to you know the the quality of you know video games and and cg We go back to Final Fantasy the movie and in how wow that's looking really good Some characters look better than others You can tell the ones they worked on earlier versus the ones they worked on later as the tech evolved Throughout the production process of the movie and then we see you know Then we have you know movies like avatar and the performance capture aspects now where it's not just motion capture It's like cameras in front of the actors faces And all these things are just you know the tech is just it's going so quickly How are people going to keep up like in this arms race that you alluded to because It's it's it's getting clear, you know the fact that you can edit audio You know and just you know with by copying copying and pasting words moving them around that combined with the the amazing Uh, you know masking of the you know celebrities face or the president's face or whatever On to another actor and it's you know, this is amazing what we have now, but what about five years from now? What about 10 years from now? I think you're right I mean And if you look up the university of washington video that I referenced as far as what researchers in seattle are doing You'll notice that that particular video tends to be that much more realistic than the buzzfeed video because the buzzfeed video We have an actor doing the the voice which is a little bit off I would argue that the mouth movements to tom's point aren't that great But uh when we talk about the university of washington video mean they really spent some time using artificial intelligence To actually take barack obama's voice and then through the voice decide how he would speak and then kind of graph The mouth movements from another video and put him in an entirely different place So it was much more sophisticated It's funny how they keep doing it with presidents because there was an example a couple years ago with george these George w bush as well I think there's something I'm using I guess about putting words in you know the mouth of the leader of the free world No matter who it happens to be If you want to make your point you're like, okay, what's what's the the most credible and impactful person? I can I could find and and you pick up president I I am put in mind of something. I believe will rogers said although I haven't double checked Don't believe anything you hear and half of what you see I might even lower that to a tenth of what you see All right, let's move on to our next topic this one is put forth by jen cutter And it is not a new kind of topic But once again a group of companies are trying to get the right to knock people off the internet that they think are harming their business Explain what's going on with fair play? Well, basically if you're canadian, you know that when ballon rogers want something it's probably not good for everyone else They want the ability as well as a couple of other media companies to block sites for canadiens that they deem are Contributing to piracy and infringement, but they want to be able to do this completely unilaterally No, no courts Are involved in this order and you would basically get knocked off the internet first Then you as a defendant would have to go to the courts Spend the money prove your case that you're innocent in order to get unblocked Which would make canada kind of an outlier with the rest of the world in terms of Use the courts first and then we can talk about blocking Yeah, so what their complaint is that right now it's against the law to pirate But they have to go to the courts and that's cumbersome So they would like the ctrc Which is the communications regulatory agency to set up a panel that they could go to and just tell like We these we think these people are pirates tell the isps to block their website. Do I have that right? Yes, they want to take control of this process by themselves and then use the courts as only the appeals process whereas right now Those companies can use the courts like this is a tool that exists for them in canada And they're just asking to take control of it as opposed to using the tools They already have and already know how to use because they don't like them It's really an interesting story. I mean, I feel a little bit fortunate being in canada Many of you are probably familiar with michael geist if you do live in canada He is a great champion to ensure that things like this don't happen and also a great advocate to ensure that We aren't treated in an unjust way I was just searching an article that talks about the fact that maybe this is even Unnecessary that the telcos would want to do this in the first place the global mail says that uh more canadians per capita actually Subscribe legitimately to netflix than consumers in countries that are blocking and and using this type of tactic To stop people from piracy. So um, it just appears to be almost like a made-up problem Except that the telcos aren't the ones who are producing that streaming content on netflix So for them, I mean there's a vested interest in wanting to keep people away from content that isn't theirs Yeah, it's one of the reasons i'm really furious at the cbc of all companies for supporting fair play It runs contrary to what you would expect from a public broadcaster And I guess like the only reason I can consider them wanting to block this is by pretending The rest of the world doesn't exist. Maybe it drives more eyes to cbc content But that is a very cynical read I admit and cbc has also been adding gates to some of their content For canadians making it more difficult to find and removing some of their stuff from youtube So i'm concerned about their whole digital strategy right now Tristan, how do you feel like this affects you? Well It's interesting because I mean ostensibly this whole Endeavour a large part of this endeavor is to combat piracy and as we all know like I mean probably all of us have succumbed to the lure of the easy media at our fingertips, you know, ever since Ever since the 80s when we were copying stuff, you know floppy disks from friends for our cometer 64s are Don't copy that floppy people. Don't copy exactly and so important. They even made a rap video about it So, you know this of course with you know come the internet and the web It's so easy now to obtain Anything we want whether it's music or movies or video games or tv shows Because it's there and just because it's there and easy to get doesn't mean that we should necessarily have We don't have the right to it for free So that's I mean what they're and one of the things that they're trying to tackle with that's in various Attempts have been made, you know around you know around the world including in the u.s You you had the initiatives there was pipa was one of them PPA and uh and the other one that went along with that so there's yeah sopa and pipa and so, you know There's you know they come under the guise of okay Well, we're trying to protect content creators which in my mind is good We want to protect content creators, but this is this Do we do this by getting the government in a heavy-handed way to allocate all sorts of power to To broadcast and the thing is what we've got here and we're seeing this around the world But it's have been happening in canada where we have this consolidation and vertical integration between content producers and the distributors so rogers and bell Which jen alluded to I mean they control not only like you know cable access, but you know wireless networks And they also own lots of tv channels themselves So they have all sorts of different interests in here and a lot at stake quite frankly But I think it sets a dangerous precedent of all of a sudden we can you know grant powers You know shortcut powers to certain large Institutions and organizations because you know then then what's next you know All of these things are limiting our access limiting you know sensibly right of we have it right of free expression here in canada So what's to say that we you know these these organizations? Don't tell agree with certain views and won't let them those views be accessed through their networks You know and it's not about piracy any more. It's about suppressing speech Yep, and also some of the language coming out of bell rogers ends up looking okay here Because they've just been quiet and let bell take all of the hate but bell has been kind of openly hinting that you know vpns are next on the list anything that can rip videos online like youtube videos They're next on the list and it's just going to keep going It's a slippery slope argument because now you know that other non-media corporations who are invested in policing hate hate speech In policing online gambling more and more can end up limited once you open that door Well, the the the problem here is in the assumption right they they they want to Put out a message that piracy is rampant And that it's and then there needs to be a law there already is a law The law already makes piracy illegal and they can go to court And in fact they don't even have to go to court to send takedown notices takedown notices can be sent uh to search engines and other hosts What they want is another weapon and so the way I look at it is okay If you're saying the current ways of dealing with the illegal behavior aren't good enough Show me why you need more. What is the harm that is being done? That's the step that is always skipped by these industries when they push for new regulations They'll throw out big numbers. Oh, there's 1.8 billion visits to a piracy site. Well, guess what? We would never accept that from facebook We would never say oh 1.8 billion is fine. We'd say wait a minute. How many of those were active? How many of those were real? How many of those were bots? So we need to hold these companies to the same standard and say well, show me the actual harm and not I think this many downloads happen and i'm going to put a dollar value on each one of them because not every piracy download Is a lost sale and the other thing is tristan. I mean you you said that it's easy to get the Pirated material and that used to be true. I don't think it's gotten necessarily harder But it's way easier to do it legally now than it used to be to the point where I don't feel tempted I've got so many ways to get content for real that I I can do with good conscience that Why would I want to bother with possibly getting a virus or screwing something up or or even falling a foul of the law? So the the best defense in my opinion is to just put out legal content Yeah, the business can ultimately you know solve this problem the market I mean not that the market's perfect But if we look at past solutions that have helped curb the piracy problem You know in the we had in the 90s We had napster and everyone was going crazy for napster and that's the kind of thing that gave You know apple and steve jobs the power to go to the musically. They'll say hey guys We got it. We're gonna we're gonna help you, you know stop me a stench there staunch the bleeding here And You know itunes came to the rescue and I mean it harmed the industry in other ways because all of a sudden it blew albums apart into 99 Chunks, so there's and then you know streaming came along after that But there's lots and lots more people who are paying for Downloads and now paying for streaming that are that are probably downloading You know by the same token I think you know us at you know when we get to a certain age and maybe a certain Level of financial comfort and we have lots of books behind us on the shelf if they're supposed if there are real books like you claim, tom You know Then you know This one's called how to fix copyright. Oh I think that's fake news. I don't know that's very elaborate cg you've got there But you know so we get to a place, you know, and we're you know Where we about where we maybe have more financial means and we are willing to pay for the convenience We're willing to pay to avoid the hassles of you know downloading a torrent client you know finding the you know the right seed and Finding the stuff and and and maybe people that are a bit younger They have more time than they do money and that's where we see a lot of that now to your earlier point With is this at with does this actually represent a lost sale? Well, who's to say it's hard to prove it's hard to prove a negative, right? But so I mean they're coming from you know the the providers or the content producers are coming from A legitimate point of concern and there's lots of you know jobs in the industry and so on and so forth But at the same time it does it is a little disingenuous because you know If they cared that much they would be working even more closely with the market innovators who are trying to make it easy to You know to get content legally and as we'll probably you know Continue to touch on throughout our discussion today that there are despite the open nature of the web there are constantly Barriers put up to are being able to access this content due to Licensing agreements country restrictions and things like that Yeah, another cost argument here too in that if you're a smaller isp And you have to now front all of the money to put together these blocking tools Which would in best case with worst case be deep packet inspection That's a huge startup cost and canadians already pay so much for data access And if you are now driving smaller isps out of the market that will just give bell and rogers more power Prices go up competition goes down And canadians still end up losing out on this deal Yeah, I think one of the things that really frustrates me in full disclosure I work for a couple of the broadcasters as well as a freelancer But i'm also an independent content creator and I can't help but think Why don't they take all of the money they're spending on this legal fight and say hey We know this is going to happen and really own the fact that everyone's looking for better content And invest in creating content that has Just higher quality and allows independent content producers in this country to do what they do best And I just don't see them doing that I mean, it's like they want to be able to succeed in the old way that they did things before they want their broadcast television Business model to exist as it previously previously existed Well, guess what the rest of us have to move on and we have to figure out new and innovative ways in terms of how to make Content and how to reach as many people as possible And everybody should have to also keep up with that So I guess I get a little bit frustrated because of that issue as well I think it's a lot of wasted time energy and money when what they should be doing is saying Hey, how do we put ourselves in a position where we can succeed in this new way of how people want content How they want to watch it, you know, it's not necessarily the old way of doing things Yeah, I don't know about you. I mean, we're all content creators on this panel right here and I have found The audiences that I deal with and granted this is anecdotal. This is this is not scientific But they are almost too respectful of intellectual property Uh, I put things out as creative commons with the idea that like this is allowed you go share it Remix it do whatever you want with it and I still run into people who email me and say Hey, I would like to do this. Is that okay? Which is great. I love that But I'm I'm more frequently getting that than catching somebody doing something that they shouldn't To the point there was the other day someone Uh had taken the dts theme song and made a ringtone out of it and somebody's like Oh, can I have that and they said well, I don't have the right to give it to you and I responded Yes, you you actually do that's put out under creative commons. You you can in fact do that So I feel like the culture is not what these companies are saying it is not that there aren't People who are infringing copyright. They're absolutely are but it's not like it was in the 90s or early 2000s Where it's wild west. I think people get it like, oh, okay Yeah, I should be careful and and not infringe copyright. Maybe that just speaks to the awesome nature of your audience Well, maybe that's why I said it's anecdotal The other consideration too is is the business model and what are the incentives for these uh these corporations? Uh another kind of you know counter example is uh is netflix, you know for years and years They kind of turned a blind eye to people doing things like uh using vpns to access content from Other that was only available in other countries And I remember having discussions with a with a couple of netflix folks at at ces and asking them about this issue And they're like, you know, you know, really we it's not really our biggest priority if it keeps people watching great But they said, you know at some point The rights holders in those different regions are going to speak up and we're going to have to do something about it So they were kind of living on borrowed time because ultimately if you think of what are the business incentives for netflix? Well, it's just to keep people subscribed as long as possible And the more content that they find whether it's from their home region or another region Then they'll just keep paying that 999 a month or you know or or more Um to continue to access that content and if they're using a vpn to occasionally get a little bit from You know from a different country with in canada here We have like a fraction of what you guys have in the states and other countries have that have the same challenges But sometimes people will vpn and pretend they're in in england to get Whatever they want to watch there of australia or other countries and and there's other countries that even worse off than canada have a very small selection So, you know some but netflix was like, you know We're you know, don't ask don't tell kind of thing But now in the last couple of years they've had to start to enforce it due to pressure from the content creators Yeah, I think deflux is a great example of a company that is adapting its business model to the reality of an infinitely copyable medium Their goal is to be available in every country and have everything on their service available worldwide They haven't achieved that goal because not all content deals work that way yet But that's what they're moving to that's why they're like we don't really care about vpn should be for security Not for getting around regional restrictions and their ultimate solution to that has been To become hbo before hbo could become them They've generated so much original content that and they own the rights to it So all of a sudden that stuff that's available world one that becomes a differentiator for them And so you have others like amazon and hulu and now apple who are playing catch up because they they love the idea of having This you know this content that has no geographical restrictions to it ironically enough. However, I think netflix does have one issue with house of cards in australia because they did actually license it to TV network in australia. So there's one thing where they actually ran up into some obstacles with their own content Well, I guess that brings us to the end of of a very good discussion On the very old problem. Uh, where are we going next sara? Well, you know, we're actually kind of we're kind of piggybacking off Of what we were just talking about uh, especially interesting because you were talking about netflix the idea that well Couple things first of all people in the us tend to forget that there's any other way to do anything And because we've got a canadian panel across the board today Thought we might talk a little bit about subscription services And how they differ country to country particularly in north america We talked earlier in the show that amazon is raising its prime subscription. That's in the us We talked about the netflix subscription model apple for uh Is another example of a subscription service that uh, they're putting together based on their acquisition of texture So tristan shed a little light on this for us if you will well, this was inspired by the uh, the recent news that That apple was going to be uh launching a subscription service service for news For apple news, so they had newsstand a few years ago that was forced on to everyone's iPhones and iPads back in the day And that wasn't actually available to us in canada And now apple has rebooted their efforts and with apple news Last year or the year before and again these apple news sources have not been available To us in canada. So now with the purchase of texture, which is available in canada And that's a magazine subscription app that you guys have in the states, too I believe so in the us here's another here's a clear example of a difference between the way things are For you and for and for us texture is 999 us for all you can eat magazines basically for us here in canada It's 1499 canadian and you know what the exchange rate is only 30 percent. It's not 50 percent So I know we're gonna be talking about pet peeves later on That will come up. Yeah, so What so this got me thinking? Well, this is great that you know a subscription service apple is, you know, obviously I mean they're on a mission to boost their services revenues. They've been doing Uh, sorry, uh apple music, you know iCloud and so on and so forth really, you know The cuts they get from app store developers and so on so they Are on a mission to get as much revenue from non hardware sources as possible because they know that there may be a day that comes when You know, maybe they're not the king of the hill when it comes to certain product categories And they need to hedge their bets a little bit and also go for more a wallet share from their existing customers So you got a billion active devices devices out there. How many of those people can we get onto apple music? How many of them can we get? You know people aren't downloading and paying for as much from the itunes store for music movies and tv shows anymore How can we get them to subscribe to a? Some mystical apple video service which might launch in the next year or two and they're Spending lots and lots of money to play catch up with the likes of of netflix and hulu and amazon to do that Now whether or not Though that that service comes to Canada this is easy to be seen But at least with this the purchase of text you're okay. Here's something that's obviously they're going to try and make it easier for apple customers I I trust they won't necessarily be shutting off shutting it off to non apple customers because that would seem a little Self-defeating and now one of the questions that people have about the forthcoming apple video service Are they going to make this exclusive for you know for apple users or you know They I think again that would be self-limiting you but but they would they would see that as an incentive for people to get Now apple devices now in terms of The largest issue of subscriptions overall I don't know about you, but I I think We're getting to the point where how many subscriptions can each of us bear You know how many of us are playing for netflix already? How much how many of us are paying for amazon prime? It's great that amazon added prime video to that How many of us would have paid extra for prime video? How many of you in the states are paying for hulu plus or Or uh, you know how many of you in canada are playing for hulu plus and don't even We can't that's that's another sore point. Oh, I I won't out them, but I do know a couple people. Okay. There you go Thank you vpns. So So when we Like the whole dream of the the cord cutters dream is like, oh, we're gonna finally cancel like cable bills We're gonna stick it to the man But then it all creeps back in in these other ways and you know to get the shows We want because these organizations are cutting these exclusive deals If you want to watch handmaid's tail, you got to have hulu. Luckily handmaid's tail. We it's on broadcasting canvas We have it on bravo But if you want to watch, you know the forthcoming ronald d more, you know space opera That's going to be on apple video or whatever they're going to call it And so those those of us who are fans of these different genres are going to end up chord stacking Right, we had like chord cutting and then we had the chord nevers But now we've got chord stackers people who may still have cable and they also have Netflix and they have amazon prime and you know, whatever apple thing just to get all the things we want Lest we end up resorting to piracy again, which takes us back to our previous discussion Right, so is there going to be a breaking point for average consumers? Or is there going to be some meta service that emerges that lets us pick and choose? And that was kind of the one of the original dreams of apple tv And they never were able to make the deals happen with the cable companies So I think that's that's my question to you is you know, just and we can get into some of the differences between Canada and the u.s. And I've got a few examples there But which who here is nearing their limit for additional monthly subscriptions including something like an all you can eat texture magazine plan Yeah, I mean, I think you know in our home, obviously, we have netflix We still do subscribe to cable as well, which may surprise some people But I just haven't found the same solution as far as live news something that we want to be able to tune into on a regular basis So I think it's one of those issues that for a lot of families is you're exactly right It's just too many subscription services and there's not a great way to really narrow down those services I don't really see anyone who is doing this phenomenally well as far as making it easy for people And I would say the only thing that's kind of encouraging to me And this is where I've always seen our public broadcaster is if you think about things like Tragically hip, which is a very well known band in Canada And unfortunately the lead singer passed away last year and cbc did a worldwide broadcast for free For everyone around the world and it was such a glorious moment that kind of brought people together And and to me I saw that also in terms of the future of content is that the person who nails this Who's able to say hey, we want a worldwide audience We live in a global economy is going to win this game so fast and who makes it simple simple for everybody involved Well, can they get the right hold right the the rights holders together is is is the question because there are still all these little Fiefdoms so to speak and they all have their own incentives and their own business interests Whether they're getting people they want people to buy their hardware devices or they want people to you know to To subscribe or sort of shop at Amazon, you know Amazon Prime is great And we're glad that we it finally came to Canada But you know, it's because you're paying a hundred bucks a year and you've got this Amazon's using this as an incentive just to get us to keep shopping there But is it worth, you know, a hundred and twenty dollars a year now Four people so I don't know how anyone would be able to do it so that you have everything that you want in all in one place I'm not sure if that dream is actually attainable I I wonder if that dream is really what we want either right one of the frustrations right now is that All of a sudden everybody's deciding to try a service a subscription service because a few worked particularly Netflix I don't think that's the way it's always going to be And we did have a system that gave you everything. It was called cable television And the problem with it is there was no price elasticity. You had no control It was difficult to cancel and you didn't always get anything everything I I definitely lived in places where I couldn't watch shows Because that cable system didn't carry a channel that just didn't have it right and there was just no way around it Other than captain video and trading vhs, right? So It's definitely a better situation It's it's a a new frustration to realize well, hold on I can't just pay for the one thing anymore and the and the decision taken out of my hands But I think overall it's probably a better situation to have control and to be able to decide Oh, yes, I do want to pay for Netflix or no, I don't amazon prime video is available as a separate product From amazon prime shipping So so you they that was a smart move on their show their part to say like hey, if you aren't doing the the shipping We we still want you to be in the tent So I I feel like the market will shake out eventually and all these little tiny services That are out there will either succeed or they won't and it'll get a little simpler to wrap your head around Well, when you think of Netflix think of the cultural moments They've managed to create by having their content release And currently worldwide Everybody was talking about stranger things because everybody could watch it and that it's Bonus advertising for them because that's driving social conversation people who don't already have Netflix go Oh, maybe I should get in on this because that's the only place to get it Yeah, and that's that's something unprecedented, right? And as I'm and at your earlier point tom I'm not sure that we can get prime video as a separate product in canada yet You know as I was saying that I was thinking like I don't know if that's a worldwide offering yet But hopefully they do but you it's you mentioned the uh the the cable companies And that's the thing is like we're kind of we're coming back around to this thing where we're we're paying these all these monthly fees Um Some of the cable companies are actually getting with the program and they're making it so that in their set top boxes You can easily access your Netflix subscription without having to use an additional device like a chromecast or an apple tv Or something like that But it's interesting how they've managed to kind of milk their uh their dominance for so long where you would have you know We had a cable package for years and years and we had you know the hd Channels when they started coming on on stream and we kind of we're looking at our our bills the last couple months It's like you know We're pushing a hundred bucks a month and that's not even including internet That was just for tv and I think in a lot of ways we're being Overserved by our various cable and satellite packages due to bundling right? Oh, if you want this channel, we got to have all these other channels in there as well So we took a long hard look and you know the dream was like oh I just want to choose the exact channels I want but in order to make that work at least in in canada They would price those individual channels so high that you would you wouldn't even want to do that because there's a lot of Kind of subsidization that happens of the smaller channels. We have certain mandates Due to the crtc. For example, there's we have a channel called aptn Which is the aboriginal people's television network and that's something that the the various carriers are mandated to carry Whether or not it would have been you know sustainable On its own if people you know if people had to choose that themselves is up for debate But there are those kind of dynamics at work So, you know, for example shah, which is our provider Our major cable provider out here and that's another function Is you kind of have this duopoly for the most part with cable regions They kind rogers and shah kind of carve up the country and then occasionally you have some others like in kebaki of videotron And you have some local players like delta cable here in the in the south of vancouver here But largely you have a couple of major players who have divided up the cable market between them because of the nature of The infrastructure of all this you know this cable in the grounds and it's just easier for them to work that way But as such there's not a lot of competition in cable aside, you know You have to go to satellite or you go to some of the Traditional telephone providers like bell and tell us who've gotten into the digital tv game that have provided a bit more competition But then even when you go and price the packages back and forth like they're not really all that different at the end of the day so one can go and pay say $40 and choose 10 channels and that's what you get in addition to a very basic package Which is another $20 you can pay 40 bucks a month or you can choose a number of Variety packs that you can put together anyhow We went through this process in our household and we managed to cut our cable bill in half And we managed to cover all the channels that we wanted which include things like bravo and showcase and amc and fx a lot of the The channel of these networks that are not the traditional broadcast networks that we're used to like nbc abc cbs and our canadian broadcasters like ctv and global and cbc but Those are all those ones are all included in the base package But we managed to get what we needed in these premium channels for half the price And there's a whole lot of stuff that I don't even notice it's gone anymore So I wonder how many people are out there that are just paying way more than they really than they need to Because they've been with the same company so long And yeah, I think people are starting to wake up and they're starting to play providers against one another Uh because they're just frustrated especially if they want to be able to afford things like netflix and amazon prime and so on There's so many more options now Especially if you don't mind waiting a little bit for the shows to come to those services Yeah, and I think like just beyond shows I mean talking about subscription services If we look at the news business as just one example, you know, you're seeing Publications like wired uh introduced a subscription service earlier this year I think of the new york times or the washington post I mean, I can't tell you how many times i've stumbled across a great article that someone shared I've clicked on it and I can't sign in because I don't subscribe And I think in some ways we're creating this like elitist economy in some ways in terms of information Like when you get into the news side of things, I think there are some real ethical questions You have to ask yourself where news all of a sudden isn't available to everyone It's just to the people who can afford to pay and and I think that's an even scarier path because you know What at the end of the day? I guess who cares if you can watch a certain dramatic series or not But when it comes to real factual information I think it kind of hurts us as a society to have so many of these great news organizations paywalled Well the It's it's I could see both sides of this because on the one hand newspapers were never free mostly They're free. They're free newspapers, but most newspapers charged per issue or a subscription fee But the idea was oh with the internet you don't have to print all that paper You save the money and you can support on advertising and it's a more cutthroat Competitive world when the entire world is competing with each other instead of just a few local entities And that's I think one of the big reasons that newspapers have had this problem Which then they go to charging you again and the question then becomes are they Is it equivalent to paying 25 cents for the newspaper back in the day or or is it more of a barrier? And I feel like it's not just a financial barrier. It's also a psychological barrier, right? Somebody will plop a quarter into A box to read the newspaper because that has been normal behavior for more than a hundred years Someone is less likely to pay for a website because that has not been normal behavior Yeah, I mean if you also look at newspapers and magazines, uh, there is the issue that they can be shared with a lot of people as well So they would be spread more easily. So anyway, it sounds like it's a whole other topic for another day We'll get into our gripes. By the way amazon.ca $79 a year for video same price as the shipping so apparently They don't have the separate TV in canada yet or no, we can't even get youtube read but I know I know we're going over time into the advisor discussion here But we have sling tv playstation view all these live television replacement services for cable Is there anything like that in canada yet? No, not those two. I don't think Yeah, I know it's not the same brands, but I didn't know if there was another one. I just wasn't aware of So that's that's a that's a big deal right there All right Our final discussion is one that the folks who support us at the advisor level at patreon get to nominate and then vote on and the one that was selected is Tell us the most us specific thing about tech that bugs canadians So whether it's coverage or the way companies roll out products or or whatever we can we can range far and wide But help help us usens the people of the united states of america To to see beyond our own biases here and um, let's start with you Yeah, I think probably one of the most frustrating things historically in the tech industry in canada versus the us Is very often products have been released in the us much earlier than canada You know, you always hear that oh released in the us on this date coming to canada three four months later Although I will say that we have really closed the gap over the past few years Particularly with online services and in some cases but with technology like gadgets I've heard from a lot of people who are locked launching online services that they actually choose to Not just launching canada at the same time as the us But oftentimes they use places like toronto as a great pilot area because it's so diverse and and uh, We obviously have a very multi multicultural city here. So I think that it has changed for the better I remember with like leo leport and gen cutter years ago doing call for help We would have to wait forever for products to be released here But I think that that is changing for the better and that's the good news Very canadian of you to take the complaint and make it good news at the end I admire that I'm not picking on you Uh, but so but it is getting better you I've noticed that too where more often I'm saying will be released in us canada and even sometimes mexico On x date versus released in the us of this date other dates to follow Yeah, absolutely. I mean I would actually say I mean even large companies have kind of set the precedent if you look at the At google as one example as far as new product I mean they've been very forthcoming in terms of releasing products In canada and the u.s. And more and more I think we're seeing some of these international tech companies Who are actually setting up offices here? I mean, uh, we have become this amazing center for ai research as one example When you're talking about smart speakers, there's a team in waterloo who developed some of the software that went into google home So I think that they can no longer ignore the fact that we exist Too too too big to ignore Jen, do you agree? Do you have the same feeling? Oh, yeah When reviewing games was like my income I was always hamstrung when I would have to go out to obtain a copy for myself Uh, we have language laws in canada. We're officially a bilingual country And therefore like kanami was the worst offender. They've released a game in the u.s They would claim the same day in canada And then it would take three weeks for that physical copy to arrive in stores because they were late printing the french booklets So without so often I would just drive down a buffalo And get the game that way, but now it's much faster now Also video games barely come with instructions making it in french is super easy And they just have the one sheet with every language for uh, canada and the eu But nowadays my biggest pet peeve is it's still the online services specifically youtube red I want to support independent creators. I want to give them my money I would love to do so in one spot as opposed to every individual patreon And youtube red they keep talking about oh, it's coming to canada How many years has it been now and I still can't give them the money. I'm trying to give you money I'll even pay in us dollars in the crazy 50 markup equivalent, but we just don't have the option And so so this is kind of a similar Situation where it's not products, but it's services and it's not release state being delayed. It's just not becoming available at all Yeah, nebulous Because I I think hulu is an exception because hulu was american broadcasters Creating or I'm sorry us broadcasters creating a us product meant only for the us. They never intended that to be outside Uh of the us But youtube red is supposed to be a global thing like youtube is a global Canadian people on youtube red That I can't give money to because they're on youtube red Yeah, that's that that seems ridiculous amber. Do you feel the same pain? Oh, well, I was just curious when they're actually releasing youtube red in canada So I just did a quick little search and I know as of february They said that youtube red will expand its subscription service to as many as 100 countries So you would assume since that was launched in or that news was sent out in february that we would have news about when That is going to be but uh, yeah, no no news yet. It is a little bit frustrating. I will say But I do think it's become so much better That uh, I'm more hesitant in being critical because I don't want to jinx anything because right now when I see that USA canada release. I'm like finally, you know, we've gotten to that point Yeah, and google io coming up may 8th. I think if I have that right Uh, that's the kind of place where you might get a big announcement of like, hey, we're now available in 100 more countries So, uh, there's hope for you gen maybe Well, they eventually made amazon prime because it launched here with just the Just the shipping and then they added video later But they did it a lot faster than youtube did a lot of countries don't have amazon prime video yet Right. Yeah, I was happy that we were in one of like at least the earlier groups for that Tristan, do you feel this the the same sort of thing about release states of products and services? Well, yeah, I've got actually a couple of specific examples one Of course, you know the iphone came out and it was a full year before it came out in canada And I went down to the states and got one and then a few months later dropped it in the ocean. So that was fun But you know, yeah, and then the yeah the kindle is another example I we we have a us mailing address So we were able to I got a kindle for my wife But in order to get books under the kindle from canada you needed a us credit card So there's this whole uh dance You have to do where you go to like a safe way in the united states get a Mastercard gift card and then plug that into your amazon And and then you could start actually purchasing books that way same kind of thing what we would do with itunes If we would go to the states and get itunes gift cards to be able to access tv shows that we couldn't get In in canada like if we admit for some reason the pvr crapped out and dropped a couple episodes Like I mean you could go and try and bit torn stuff But again previous back to our prior discussion always you're trying to be legit wherever wherever possible, right? so Yeah, that's a you know a frustration just like the the difference in content The difference in products now even the amazon echo you guys have had that for what two and a half years now And it's only just come to canada in the last six months So there's there's another thing that's been frustrating and now the home pod of course for those You know that are that are in the bag for apple like yours truly so That is you know there's a number of frustration and then in terms of services like pandora Pandora was great. We had access to it initially back in 2007 and it worked great I discovered lots of great bands that way and then Next thing one day it just stopped working in canada due to licensing restrictions now The funny thing is is that in the last year or so? Well, I mean I go down to states it would still work down there on my device But in the last year I tried it again in canada and pandora actually seems to work again in canada most of the time every once in a while the licensing message will come up and then But then I tried again and it works So i'm really really excited getting to use the pandora again because that's another great example of you know Innovation coming from the states so it's easy for us to kind of have these peeves about You know american tech but at the end of the day so much of what we enjoy today is because of research and development and innovation That's come out of the united states everything from space exploration to gcp Ip the foundation the internet to personal computing like I was a cometer boy growing up So we had cometer and itari and apple and so IBM so many great companies So, you know, I think I think we're able to put up with the bad to get the good Now when people in the u.s. Think of canadian tech probably blackberry is the first thing that that jumps to mind Sorry, uh, yeah, and that that is now a security company apparently yeah Are there canadian technologies that you know of? That that people in the u.s. Should know are from canada I will start with one um one of the biggest e-commerce companies in the world I've done a lot of business with them which is Shopify I mean Shopify is an Ottawa based company Ottawa, of course being the capital of canada and Shopify is powering You know hundreds of thousands if not millions of stores for entrepreneurs all around the world And not just entrepreneurs some of the biggest companies in the world now have Shopify stores So there's a great example of a company that a lot of people just don't know that it's canadian But in fact its roots are in Ottawa and its biggest presence as far as offices are here in the country And there are there are many others as well. I'm sure but that is probably one of the biggest ones I can think of today I didn't know I mean, I know Sarah No, exactly. I mean, I didn't think it was you know the headquarters were anywhere else I didn't really think about it. But yeah, that's that I learned something. Yeah, they're a big one Try another iconic one that was it's actually been featured in a number of movies You may have seen the canada arm also known as the canada arm which was uh, you know operating with the Space shuttle program will that exist? I just saw that on video that movie life that came out last year It was kind of like an alien rip off But I believe the that the canada robot arm appeared in there like has Connected to the international space station or some version of it in the future So that is one iconic canadian thing It even has a flag and the the the governor canada logo on it So that's our one big thing from the 80s that was still I don't know if it's in use anymore Maybe on the ground somewhere attached to a retired space shuttle But we always we took pride of that back in the back in the 80s anyway And even hootsuite is another one if you think about social media dashboards that I didn't know you're a canadian. Yeah, of course, uh, so uh, ryan holmes who is the Vancouver based Founder of hootsuite. Um, they really changed the game as far as social media dashboards for businesses Another big canadian company that I would argue many kind of I don't want to say copied But we're inspired by them to come out with simple similar services So, uh, when you start to scrape the surface at surface surface You sort of see more and more of these companies being founded here And I think again, this is just the beginning of a change that is happening Especially not to get into politics, but our federal government today is much more supportive of research and technology Loosening up on visas for technology workers to come here So I think you're going to see this another another wave of innovation. So you won't just think blackberry tom You know, I mean it's it's interesting to say that but you know, canadian companies have been in the cornerstone for PC technologies for the longest time ad lib I think they were based out of Quebec and ati before they got purchased by amd was a canadian company So you had, you know Two companies that that put a lot if if you were, you know gaming on pcs in the 90s They were names household names and ati at one point until they got by amd was still regular Yeah, I used to always buy ati cards I had one of the first Cable cards that they made I worked down the street from them so Meet them up for lines like here take this and I could like watch tv on my computer and I thought this was the most amazing thing That's great. I've got to give throw my hat in the ring for hootsuite That's the tool I've been using for years and years and years and it's great Now on the other hand though, it represents yet another if you go to the pro version it represents yet another subscription service That we have to pay for but another one you might not have known about is plenty of fish The one of the first free online dating sites and I know people that got married meeting on plenty of fish That was started by a guy in vancouver and they since were bought out a few years ago But you know that's sort of the they were competing with the likes of match.com and e harmony But their angle was that they were free. So, you know, there's quality people there And then cougar has very good seafood. So that all makes sense. It all ties in it's a circle of life Jed are there any that you could think of that we haven't mentioned yet No, I was going to go for atl I'm terrible at knowing who is canadian the I can name a hundred different game studios and cross canada these days Like people forget that bioware is in canada now that they're with EA. They are extra forgetting that but In terms of every day tech I I bought ati video cards because they were canadian also as I saved a lot of import taxes but Yeah, I would love to know more canadian companies and I should be paying more attention to that And I I think this is not just a canadian issue. I think there are all kinds of companies that are not Even in silicon valley Or or the us that that one of the the things that is under covered is there are Innovative tech companies happening everywhere. It's it's not a location specific thing That's the beauty of the internet is you don't have to be in a location to take advantage of the benefits of it Yeah, and I think that's the the good news right now is that you'll hear about tech companies launching in these tiny little Corners whether it's in the us or canada or elsewhere and you know Let's not forget about big tech companies like skype, you know being launched in estonia And we hear those stories more and more that was kind of a one-off in the day when that launched we're like, oh Estonia that's interesting But I think what you saw especially in that country is that really fueled innovation there where then all of a sudden You learned that they're doing all of their voting online They're getting digital citizenship cards and that country has has a really progressive stance as far as the digital space Even now their government has developed an artificial intelligence strategy Which is driven by their president who is in her late 40s and they're pushing hard on that So it sometimes just takes one or two of these big companies to really make it for the country to follow the lead Our chat room is administered by an Estonian Of course, I love our Estonians. I'd love to go there We can't forget we can't of course we can't forget, uh, sweden has given a spotify Which you know right 10 years has you could argue that is radically radically altered the face of how we access music nowadays We're not paying for downloads as much anymore or or even like using BitTorrent or naps or whatever But streaming spotify was the pioneer in streaming music and that's thanks to sweden You know the home of ikea and abba who is apparently just recorded a new song Yeah, I know I just saw that this morning. That's cool Well, the one thing that bugs me is that I can't get hockey night in canada in the us legally So there is hockey night hockey night in canada don cherry You got to check it out. I don't think don's doing it anymore though. Is he? Oh, no, he's still doing it. Is he still doing it until they yank him off the air All right, see there are things that we are deprived of here Let's check in with len peralta to find out what he has been illustrating during our round table len You know the one of the things about the round tables is that there's so much great information That is uh brought through all the topics all the main topics the four main topics And so the challenge of doing them is trying to get everything in on on the drawing and I hope I did as best as I could um Covered mostly this is called subscribe to the fakery and uh, it is uh a a dude who is who is fake obviously kind of Theme we did earlier in the year on one of the other uh other prince But he's of course, he's telling you he's 100 100 real and not fake I was able to put a little canadian um maple leaf on him as a button And uh, of course, he's telling you to subscribe with a little s that's a dollar sign So hopefully I got everything in there. And is that an old-fashioned hockey mask? Drenched in blood that he's wearing I Well extra extra canadian points there By accident Exactly my face is hurting so much from smiling at that image. That is that is great. That's excellent. Well, thank you so much And yes, it's available in my online store lempraltestore.com and of course once again, thank you everybody From from dts who is helping me with commissions and keep them coming. Thank you Thanks also to our go ahead. Well, uh, no, I was just going to say lempraltestore powered by Shopify all the canadian companies All the circle well done well done Baking of the circle, uh, thank you to our canadian panel today amber mac gencutter and tristan Jutra's amber. Let's start with you. Let folks know where they can keep up with your work online Yeah, probably the best place to go is just amber mac on twitter or facebook or instagram or my website at amber mac.com And uh, I will see you guys there. Thanks for having me guys. Absolutely. Jen cutter Same question for you Well, um people who know me like amber, uh, know that I got started doing a online show about tech and gaming called open alpha dot tv And it is actually finally truly honestly coming back this summer. There's a video going up next week Excellent, I cannot wait to share and I've been so excited to work on all of this stuff again Yeah, the website's live. All the archives are up and then stuff starts next week Excellent tristan at first time on the show. Hopefully not the last let folks know where they can keep up with your work At tristan jutra.com if you can figure out how to spell it and at tristan jutra on all the socials um, my day job, of course at limestone learning dot com or we produce, uh, Organizational learning development materials. So that's that's always fun, too. And you all the links Are there and occasionally you'll see me on global tv as tech person I'm not nearly as all over the place as amber is but you'll notice one thing that All of our we all have our comms because you were all into the personal branding obviously you'll have comms We don't have dot ca is what's wrong with us jan and amber It's too expensive Yeah, I think that you know, let's let's be honest here as we end the show But uh, canadians try to hide that they're canadian, especially when they start into the workforce So the dot com allowed you us to kind of uh, uh, just you know be american Until they heard us talk and then called us out for the abood Well folks, you can find me at tom merit dot ca If you'd like more of these shows by all means, uh, we we have a milestone just two thousand dollars away That would get us an extra round table a month We could do this a couple of times a month Join in on the fun or up your pledge and get some of our cool perks Like extended shows exclusive columns and more at patreon.com slash d t n s If you have feedback for us, we would love to hear it our email address is feedback at daily tech news show at dot com We're live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 u t c sometimes. It's a round table show Sometimes it isn't alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv is where you can watch us live And our website is daily tech news show dot com back on monday with patrick morton talking about monitor upgrades talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Oh, that was so much fun. Thanks you guys. That was a great show. That was really good Thanks guys A lot of ground Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of information and a lot of angst a lot of angst polite Sorry for dropping out there for a couple of minutes I went to I know I'd noticed that my battery was gret was winding down on my left And it's because I had set up a light and I guess I had knocked the The the the trends of the the adapter out of my ups So so in the the break after our last proper segment into before the question there I stood up to go and play and I just my back the computer had just died before I plug it like So didn't draw attention to when I came back, which is all cool. I was no one's on the audio show would ever know you were gone Like it was so smooth But basically you're saying no one missed me. That's perfect. No, no smooth Like you were you were in and out like what I've always been Did you leave Tristan? No, I noticed. Exactly. It was just like black square All right, uh for anyone wants to follow along DTNS or a showbot chat room dot net You can find all the titles at the audience and the chat room is uh Volunteered to title the show Um the unscami valley is of course at the top. Yeah, it's kind of Oh, nice Real to real video friday at the DTNS hippo campus. Get it Oh hippo campus, I guess Now somebody put tiny hippo friday. It should be house hippo friday, right? House hippo house hippo. Yeah, well, we make it a house hippo friday. I love it But i'm there. We're there. It's mysterious. Tom. Yeah, if ever if i'm good with that house hippo friday, everyone good I feel like i've done my good deed for the day just sharing house hippo with more people I I can't believe I didn't know about house hippo. Next time we'll do the littlest hobo. Yes. Oh, yeah, isn't that like uh I didn't mention there's this amazing youtube channel now that is official and legal and has the littlest hobo It's called on core plus it has littlest hobo Slings and arrows mr. Dress up Uh tons of canadian tv movies and documentaries lots of french content. It is amazing and I love that it's being supported I'm speaking another language. It's like a traveling husky How littlest hobo sounds familiar. I don't know if I knew it as a kid or if someone has mentioned it to me at some point Where's the hobo? He's a dog He's a dog that helps people and once he's done helping people he moves on to another family or individual So it's like touched by an angel except with four paws and less religion. I guess like the dog isn't religious That's the only thing I will say he's like I just I wanted the hobo He's not dogmatic. Is that what you're saying? Special I love that show Like under the umbrella tree is and They just use the same puppets for the mouse that was a day special mouse And I would imagine the cbc must have a lot because you know There's things like beachcombers for example that was cbc and that probably wouldn't be here And that was like the at one point in time was the most syndicated program worldwide and it was from canna Why is due south label the comedy? I mean it has a kids comedic moments, but it was It wasn't necessarily a comedy. Well, it's not a strict drama either. It's a dramedy saving the day a whole bunch Another dog or wolf. I guess in that dog wolf Yeah, but no cbc does not do a good job making it archives available to people There they've actually been removing a lot of their kid stuff, which is I think we dissolved that a little bit. I feel like they're Anyway, I don't want to get into a big conversation But I feel like they they used to have a bigger team there and a bigger focus on kids content and I think they're sort of I think they've gotten rid of that a little bit. I could be wrong, but that's my impression Still producing some stuff in house and they are syndicating some canadian stuff But it's not as much as it was that we were used to from before So de grassi started as de grassi, right didn't start as de grassi It was the kids of de grassi street originally So is there one where they're just adults like, you know, de grassi with a mortgage or something? Like because the whole like They have a new de grassi It's uh, I don't know. Incidentally, I live about eight streets from de grassi Oh, this is not a street Yeah, it's a real street But I don't think they really did much except the street name was inspired or the show name was inspired from there But I don't think uh, the show really was based around that street. It was more of an inspiration Um of the name of the street. So that's a good name That's like roseanne being said in st. Louis, which is the only thing that's st. Louis about it Yeah, yeah same sort of thing de grassi the next generation. It was uh, netflix did that like it picked it up about three years ago de grassi the next generation Patrick Stewart Deep space de grassi The headline is de grassi because the show is not allowed to die Wow It's that's like 30 years. I'm still on the littlest hobo. I love this synapsis A homeless dog helps sell solves Wait a minute. Is it that the same thing to like benji though? Oh, homeless dog does benji And then there was a benji knockoff boomer remember boomer. No, you don't remember boomer Hey, I was just thinking about benji today because benji there's a new version of benji on netflix Are you gonna cry amber Are you it's the littlest hobo I think amber needs a moment Roger don't play too much of it. We'll get taken down I'll hum it I like how it was like starring london the dog. Yeah, and viewable worldwide Just so you make sure you know what the dog's actual name is Dog had a good agent And introducing london He's gotta get top billing his name is gotta be london So this was boomer. It was literally a benji knockoff. Yeah. Yeah. Are they boomer help people or? Yeah, he just he just magically appeared in places where he was needed And he got hit every week. Yeah, kind of dog is benji. Yeah, don't show these things full screen either We'll totally get taken down, roger And it's not even like you're getting taken down by something really good The dogs of the I mean I'll dispute it on the fact that we're commenting on it, but they're used fair use I just hate having to I have to jump guys because I need to go have dinner with my fam. Yeah, no worries. Thank you amber Thank you so much for taking time out for I love doing it. So it was nice to see uh, I don't want to say old faces Uh fellow canadiens and meaner new people Hi guys All right, I gotta go too. All right, land Bye. Bye. Have a good weekend. Go cleveland. Enjoy infinity war. Yeah, good. Uh, good game last night. Yeah, seriously. Bye It wasn't good. It wasn't no. Thanks for being on tristan. Yeah Tristan. That was great. They hope we can have you back And in maybe in a non-canadian segment. Yes. Yes. You can do a uh, a nation non-specific Show we're like the the farm team here We we sent you salin dion and brian adam. I'm doing australia next month. So it's the beginning of a trend actually Yes, he is. Yeah, he's so canadian. He forgot the lyrics to the canadian national anthem at one point That was a huge thing And then like I know the lyrics to the canadian national anthem. Come on Exactly. So Wait, you guys haven't changed. It just seemed like such an american song to me. I just never knew he was canadian I don't know. I guess it doesn't really matter. Turns out they have summer and 1969 in canada too. Oh, they don't That's when we came online. Yeah So so they haven't changed the the phrase in all thy sons command yet They have yeah, they have yes, I thought they had proposed it but it wasn't formally changed. It's done But it's done all through the us all to the playoffs obviously all the american anthem singers Put up in hockey teams have been singing the new lyrics. Okay. So it's in all of us All of yeah It doesn't quite roll off the same way, but we'll get used to it Well, yeah, because it's been tweaked a number of times over the years most recently Like about 1980 or so and then back then in the 40s and 50s So this this is actually closer to how it was like earlier in the 20th century Um, but you know, of course people got to set their hair on fire no matter whenever they change Yeah, well and all the people who remember that are very old or dead. So I learned it in french first. So now I have to learn the new french version. Oh, yeah, there's that of course. Yeah I did not even know my father's from cobec, but when I was four I decided I was an english child So, you know those decisions stick with you for life, apparently. Wow, you knew early. That's good Well, I'm glad that we at least had someone of kebekwa descent To represent I would have felt bad if we had no French Yeah, I know that's what I was trying to throw a little bit that way much appreciated Even though they want to be a separate country, uh, never mind Do they don't they do they don't they do they don't Oh, I hope I don't want to hear about it for another 20 years Like texas, you know, it always threatened once in a while Yeah, people wouldn't mind if texas left Yeah, yeah, they would they go back to mexico, right? No, I don't think so. I don't think that would be a very popular thing to say. Nope Thought a whole thing at the alamo about that if I recall That's right, and then then california would have to follow us Well, we fought we fought a larger war and we got california the process There you go winner takes all Well, thanks again guys. We're gonna. Yeah, thanks. Thank you so much. That was awesome, man. All right. Thank you tristan really nice to meet you Likewise We're gonna shut down the live video, but patrons on audios stick around. We're still going Bye. See you monday with patrick norton