 Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. I want to go back to something you said earlier about your dad and how he had issues with per se church. What was he right? He was right from his perspective. He was right. But he wasn't right to denounce church. OK, explain. And I think he wanted to hide the hurt that he got from it from us. He didn't want us to feel it. But he never dealt with it. Did he give you a reason why? Well, there were stories where the pastor would try to hit on my mom. They would kind of try to fleece the families there because we were a family, we're a bigger family than most people there. They would try to fleece the families for money and different things like that. And so just made him feel pressured and made him feel bad if he couldn't give more money or if he couldn't do X, Y, Z. And this was on multiple occasions, I'm proud of this. Because it's easy to get caught up in religion when you're dealing with Americanized standards when it comes to Christianity. Yeah, yeah. And I think back then nobody was talking about the realness of Christianity like they need to now. And they're starting to get there now. It's still kind of watered down in some areas. But they sure weren't talking about it in the early 80s, mid 80s. And so that made my day. That was the humming time. Right. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing about it, a lot of things back then would be swept under the rug. And so our generation, when we walk in, and mine and all business, we end up tripping over that hump in the rug and don't know where it came from. I like the fact that your dad recognized when somebody was trying to run game on him. You know what I'm saying? That's all it is, bro. I already, I mean. You know what I'm saying? He was OG, so he already knew what time it was. I mean, when you come from the streets and you see the activity, you recognize it. And no matter where you put it at, it can be pimping in the church. I'm gonna be honest with you. Right, right. And that's what it was. And you have to understand that seeing and seeing, no matter where it's at, no matter how you fancy it up. And that was the thing. It was like, at that time, excuse me, at that time, they could call out our sins. Yeah. But you couldn't call out the past to see it. Yeah, he said, touch not time. Not anointed, do my prophets no harm. Right. And like, I'm not anointed. Exactly, now you get it. But I think a lot of times, in the early times that we were dealing with then, I think it was a lot of ignorance. I think it was not knowing that made some of those things happen. Education is something else. That's why I said the humming part, because a lot of the humming excludes the knowledge. Y'all don't really, you don't have to think about it. You just sound good. It's a good sound. And you hear it at the right time and you respond to it. And we're definitely eloquent when it comes to sound. Black people or something else, they can make sounds that nobody else can make. You know what I mean? So I really think that, I think your dad got it right. I mean, just from the outside looking in, I'll say that a lot of times. Your dad, because my children, they never been a member of any church in their life. They are the church. The word comes from the Greek word, Ecclesiast means to simply be called out from among them. I'm gonna be real with you. We don't forsake not the assembling, because we do assemble, but I just don't put a structure on it like everybody else try to do. When I say that structure, meaning it gotta be led by the spirit. You understand where I'm coming from? I'll go anywhere with you, long as you know that God got to be in the car. We gotta have some, we gotta have the word. I can't play with it, not with my kids. I like what Joshua said when he said, if I asked for me in my house, forget about what they're doing on the other side of the flood and them people. And I'm just paraphrasing, and forget about the Amorites in New Zealand, you dwell, but ask for me in my house. Yeah, I know what we gonna do, us right here. Been doing it for almost 20 years. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I just feel like a lot of times we try to fancy it up in a way to where we make it religious instead of spirituality. That's what happens. But like for me, growing up in the church, I always knew, I grew up knowing that that was a church over there. So now that my eyes have been open to certain things, I'm looking at that building over there and saying, you know, that's the building because it's only a church so-called when all of us go in there and that's when it's a church. But then people will be walking by and they're like, oh, there's the church over there. I'm like, no, there's a difference. I used to turn my music down. And I'm gonna be honest with you, the word church is taking out a concept when you do it that way as well. And you can confuse people if you don't use it correctly. Because there is a difference. And we gotta make known what really is going on. And I'm not trying to tell nobody not to go and worship. You worship however you feel the worship and how you gotta get to God. I don't tell you don't go here and don't go there and they don't do stuff for the community because you do have good people out here who represent God in the right way. But let's articulate it in the right manner so we don't confuse the young. I think people have, and you were talking about coming from the hum generation. I grew up in church as well. And my dad was a deacon, mom deacon as we Baptist and all of that. And as I got older and especially now of being with my husband, we learned, yeah, the church is a building, but we are the church. Like you said, we are the church. And a lot of times I think we misunderstood that we were so into, oh okay, this is the pastor or this is the first lady or this is the deacon of the church. You have to understand that people came from the world into the church. So everybody, it wasn't about God. They saw something that they could do that would be something that was quote unquote a hustle. Everybody's not, the Bible says that you know the fruit that they bear by the right. When you see the fruit, that's where you judge. That's where you look. You don't look at the outward appearance. You don't look at that, but you look at the fruit of what that person is doing. I don't care if it's a pastor. I don't care if it's a prophet. I don't care if they call themselves that because like you said, what we walk in is real. We don't play with this thing. We didn't ask to be prophets. We didn't ask to be what we are in what God has called us to be. So when people play with this, they play with this because they don't understand and they weren't called to do it. God, he calls you just like you were talking about Joshua and you talk about all the other ones, Peter and Paul, all of these, they were called to be what they are. And you have to be called into this. And if you're not, and if you're playing with this, this is not the time. This is not the time to play with God. When you think about the spirit of... Go ahead. When you think about the spirit of error and the spirit of truth. Right. You have, and I'm definitely gonna let you speak, when you think about the spirit of error and the spirit of truth, so many people have been taught under the spirit of error. Absolutely. And so you can't even, you look at them and you feel sorry for them because they was taught a certain way and it may have been the wrong way and they so stern about it. The Romans chapter 10 said that people have a zeal for God but not according to the knowledge. You see what I'm saying? People do have a zeal where they may be doing it and they was taught in the spirit of error, man. And I think that confuses a lot of times. And for leaders who I believe know the truth, a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them know. But they use it for what they wanna, so they can benefit from it. Absolutely. And I think that a lot of times clouds, I know it clouds the word. Absolutely. It clouds truth. Right. And you gotta be careful. But what I was gonna say is also that we as a people are lazy in a lot of different ways. Absolutely. We don't like to go search for ourselves for the truth. We don't want to go pick up a book to read because the Bible is there and a lot of times, yes, as a child, I open it and look and I'm like, well, I don't understand this, I get this part but I don't get that. So a lot of times we look for somebody to teach us to lead us. Now you have YouTube, you have videos. Let me tell you, when I read, I read what I gotta get and then I look up sermons, I look up teachings and I try to get bits and pieces because I'm not gonna say I'm gonna listen to everything this person is saying but I pick out bits and pieces from what they're saying. I'm like, oh, okay, but I can, okay, I get that. Just a touch on that and it's, my wife was raised in a church, I wasn't. Like me. Right, for me. But you know what? When I tell people this, some people might take offense to it but I thank God that I didn't and I'm gonna tell you why I say that because for me, my love for God was genuine. It wasn't contrived, I wasn't. How can I be forced to love? He says that all the time. Yeah, how can I be forced to love a God and I don't understand him? And so for me, I was, I'll say it this way. I got into all my mess. I did everything that young people do. Girls, sex, while and now I did all that. And I thank God that he kept his hand on me because I see some cats who did that and they came up with STDs, you know, all kinds of things, you know, it messed up their lives. For me though, I thank God that I was able to experience that because now my witness is more realistic. And that's the problem with a lot of us sometimes in the churches that our testimony isn't real because we don't wanna put out there that we were flawed. We don't wanna be transparent. And so we're losing the generation because we don't want to say, well, yo, young blood, I did that too. I've done that. And here's the solution that I found from it. So we don't make Jesus relatable. And that's- I'm not saying everybody, because today- That's so true. This generation, it's, we want to see results right away. Right, right. You know what I mean? But yes, people have been more transparent than how they used to be because people used to be, everything used to be shut up. They would never talk about it. Now because of social media, you see a lot of people talking about their demons. Things that they've been through. So I'm seeing that a lot more. It's not there yet. You're not seeing a lot in the church as much, but you see people talking about it. And it is coming up. It's just not everybody. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101.