 Don't think Everton fans are going to back off their view of the Premier League if they suddenly give us all our points back It's not a means to an end. I think it's gone beyond that and I think that's where Burnham and Roderham particularly, I think Steve did the phrase isn't it? This isn't about one club Mm-hmm. So so I think whatever happens to Everton does have a big impact on on the season of Nottingham Forest as well because clearly Previously David Phillips used the AFL as a reference point The Everton second alleged case Maybe goes away totally if the appeal is one But if the appeal is one particularly if it wins along the lines of point deductions, there's not an appropriate sanction Then that gives a great sigh of relief to Nottingham Forest, doesn't it? If Everton just get it diluted down through whatever mechanism I don't think that helps Nottingham Forest at all because that establishes that points deductions are appropriate And let's be blunt about it Notwithstanding all Everton's mitigations weren't accepted. I can't think of any mitigations for Nottingham Forest beyond We spent a lot of money on a lot of players and that's not mitigation And you know in the rumored. Oh, well we sold Brennan Johnson because we wanted to get aligned Yeah, but you sold him after he paid three Premier League games in this season When when the financial year ended two or three months previously. So they They're looking at Presumably a worse sanction than us if points are perceived to be appropriate depending of course how big the breach is So it is I think it's a big point No put no pun intended, but it's a big point for Everton about do we get any back that sort of thing But it may turn out over time to be even bigger for Nottingham Forest because that critical point is Critical issue is is a points deduction appropriate or not We don't know what the size of the alleged breaches, but Intuitively think it's going to be worse than Everton's do you expect Everton? I mean someone's asked you expect to get any points back We can come on to that in a minute of what you go feeling is but on the basis that neither of us thought we'd get any points Exactly. Yeah, I mean I think the worst I thought what happens relevant will be it the suspended Points that we tied on a clean. We've not got a second yard So we'd be getting them anyway, but that was what I thought was the worst I could answer ever We should talk about that second shot because I think that's no well. This is what my point is. So so everton For argument's sake everton got four points back because this is the room, right? Okay And it's easy for me to say yeah, it could be four because six for bleaching it But they've took away the four because if there's arguments over how much it's been bleached by whatever so to get You've got six for actually bleaching the thing That was the mechanism he wants doesn't he in place that's well still too much. I just wanted that It's not what the case see no no But just let's say that that is that's on it and so everton that end up with four points back take them on to 23 points whatever Then there's a second charge. Yeah Do you think Everton would be done again? With points. Well, can we explore that just briefly for a second because I think you've touched on Something really quite important, right? and a natural justice perspective mm-hmm me I Challenge why you get six points for for breaching it. Yeah, you know breached by a penny six points Reach by a billion twelve points. Hello. That's the maximum right? So if the rumors were founded because they're not I don't think but if the rumors were founded and they said The six points for breaching it goes away. Yeah, and it becomes a point for every five Million or whatever it was. Yeah, then clearly we'd get four Right, so it wouldn't be four come off. It would be well left with four That would then give some natural justice of nottingham forest come along with a 50 million pound breach They don't get six points for a breach But they do get a point for every five million and they'd end up with ten points If you want to watch the rest of this video Then make sure you join toffee TV premier when you can get access to all our exclusive shows including live daily videos Click the QR code on the screen here