 On May 2nd, 2022, Brolin's Select Board meeting to order. With us on my far left is Dave Sawyer, Kyle Parton on my right, Flo Smith and Joe Stubb on Bradtown. With us also are Vince Connie, our town administrator and Diane Isabel, our town treasurer. Any changes or to the agenda? No, sir. Public comment, hearing none. Augustus Griffin Amusement Permit Application. I believe Mr. Griffin is with us, Ty. You'd like to speak to that? Yes, we're a small CSA farming in Northfield and we're hoping to do a little, a couple of bands out here to play. Just a free concert on the property, but it's gonna be, the idea is that people can donate to our low-income CSA shares if they want to. And, but it's open to whoever wants to come, not donate as well. It's just basically gonna be like a block party, but with the possibility to donate for our low-income CSA shares. Okay. This is your first application? Yeah, this is the first application. I did talk to our insurance and it sounds like it should be covered under our liability insurance that we have. Okay, a motion on this? I make a motion to approve the amusement ordinance permit application and the date of the application is for July 16th. That's the event date from the operation of 4 p.m. to 10 p.m. And this is through Augustus McCabe Griffin and the address is 365 Linnis Road, Berlin, Vermont 05663. You hear a second? One second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I have a couple. Sure. And so this is all new to me. The amusement ordinance and the special that we did a month or so ago, the special event application. And I noticed in the special event application, there is an estimated number of people where the amusement we don't have an estimated number of people. And what I see here is an event going from 4 p.m. to 10 p.m. Number of cars. And I think there are some of the questions would be egress for emergency vehicles. Maybe I could ask the question, are you planning to have, this is an outdoor event. Are you planning to have a bonfire of any sort? No, no fires. No fires, okay. Because that would be one of the stipulations. That would be one of the stipulations I would say. I'll follow our buildings. Okay. So people, let me check. Is this being held in the field in front of the, down behind the barn? Yes, okay. Yes, turn that right up for us. Yeah. I do note on the application too, it indicates that you folks will be directing traffic and there is a copy of a certificate of insurance. That's all on board and up to, all agreed upon. I don't know if you can hear it. What was that? Was that a question? I sort of heard a statement. I wasn't sure. I was seeing on the application that it indicates you will be directing traffic. Will they be parking in the field? Yes. Yes, in the field by the house. So the town has a pullout and that makes the easy access into the field without it being very bumpy. Excellent. Any other questions? So once this is approved and signed off, who gets a copy of this? And the only reason I'm asking is for EMS services that are gonna be coming out of Northfield and so this should be communicated maybe with Northfield because they would be the responding service for EMS if need be. That's probably not typical, okay. Because usually it's when you do a special event or an amusement it's you don't really warn because it's still a public function just like if the mall opens tomorrow. But it doesn't sound like a good idea just to give Northfield a call because it is a... Well, we have an unknown number of people. Yeah. Well, I mean. I have a question. I am in communication with the Northfield town office as well since we're on the border of the town because I didn't want to, you know, the noise doesn't stop at the town border. What genre of music are the bands? To help you mark it. Yeah, there's a lot of genres. There's folk band, we're hoping to have a country band and then there's also I think a rock band but they're not 100% on board yet, so. Any other discussion on this? Okay. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Good luck with your event. Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Have a good one. You too. Rainbow Bridge Community Center request. And he's not with us again tonight, so how you'd like to proceed. I did send a notification to him. Well, so this doesn't keep coming back to haunt us. Can we have a motion on this? I personally would make a motion not to approve this based on location and some other indicators. I'm not comfortable with it. You'll hear a second? I second that. I'm not in approval of moving forward with this request. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Right away, permit application. Martha? Dalyan. Dalyan. Dalyan? Yeah. Sorry about that. My daughter. This is for a driveway? Yes. She owns a two acre parcel on Bartlett Road. There's support was in your package as well. Has anybody looked at this as far as line a site from the driveway for oncoming traffic? Tim has looked at it. He was good with it? Yeah. Tim signed off on it? Yeah. I'd make a motion to approve the got based on the information that I have. Second. Any further discussion? Is there going to be a cold burger? Yes, and that's what I need to know the size of the culvert you require. What's 18 inch? 18 inch. Yep. Take and have Tim call. Make sure you confirm that. But I'm pretty sure we put the minimum at 18. Yes. That's the final one. Any other discussion on this? No, I would just recommend that 12 foot. I mean, most in culverts are 16 foot and they're better to go with 16 foot because as you're building on those lots, trucks turning in, they tend to crush the ends of the culverts. So I would also check with Tim on that. But I think 12 foot's a little small, a little short. Sure. Okay. I'll have Tim get in touch. He'll come out and take a look and discuss the culvert size. Okay. He's our highway super. Okay. And you have my phone number. I do. I have it. You're Ms. Ripley. Yes. Thank you. Any other discussion on this? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Thank you very much. Not a problem. Have a good evening. You too. Thank you. Conservation Commission, Conservation Commission update to board in the music permit application. We have Wendy Lynn with us tonight from the Conservation Commission. And Tom's here also. So I have, I have two points and then Tom has an item also that he's going to bring up. My first thing is the, the Recreation Committee and the Conservation Commission split probably about six months ago. I'm not sure exactly what the timing was on it. And we were asked to decide who should have what responsibility? How do we, how to divide the responsibilities between the two committees? So we looked at what the state statues are and we also met the Recreation Committee and the Conservation Commission met and discussed what we think should happen. And what we decided is that responsibilities should be divided depending on where they occur. So the Conservation Commission would be response on forest or they take the lead on that. That doesn't mean we'd be totally responsible but we would be the lead group for that and that the Rec Committee would be the lead on any other recreational activity in town. So that would be like the ice rink or if there was recreation with the new town center playgrounds, that type of thing. So anything else besides the conservation land and the town forest, they would take the lead on. And we also agreed to communicate back and forth. If we got any requests or if there's any problems that they would, we would invite them to our meetings and to put input into the request and vice versa they would invite us also to their request. So the idea is to keep the channel of communication open. So basically the proposal is Conservation Commission takes care of things on conservation land and the town forest and the Rec Committee takes care of all other recreational activity. And that's the proposal we're bringing to the select board. So basically you're saying the Rec, I mean the Conservation Committee would take care of the real estate and the Rec Corporation Committee take care of the activity. No, what we're saying is the Conservation Commission would take responsibility for all activities on conservation land and the Rec Committee would take responsibility for all recreational activities that are not on conservation land. And this is, a lot of this has to do with having to deal with the natural resources and make sure there's not a problem with that. But also the state statues sort of go that way. The Conservation Commission buys on conservation land or is given conservation land in there. They administer it. And likewise, state statues have Rec Corporation Committee mechanisms for them to purchase land and for them to administer it. So the state statues seem to line up based on the type of land that it's happening on. And I believe Tim also emailed Vince and I believe also Brad sent an email just to indicate that we had talked and agreed on this. Tim or Hannah was supposed to be joining tonight, Wendy Lynn. I just reached out to him as well. I'm sorry. Tim or Hannah was also supposed to be joining from the Rec Committee tonight. They're not here yet. So I've reached out to them as well to see if one of them would join. Tim is not coming tonight. He had a conflict. That's why he emailed you. Okay, I mean, I'll try him there again as well. And then the second part, do you want to just work with that part or the second part is the a proposal for how to handle requests to use conservation land for big things that would impact either other users or trails. And the idea is to have a consistent open process that we can post out to the website. And if somebody wanted to make a request for a new use or new trail or change to the trail, everybody would know upfront what the procedure was and what the process was. And everybody would be, would go through the same procedure in the same process. And the procedure, I believe everybody must have a copy of that. Yeah, there's a copy in the package. So there's two parts to it. One is an application that gets information from the person making the request. And it looks at just what is the request, but it also looks at who's gonna put it together and what the cost are, who's gonna pick up the cost. And also it looks at ongoing maintenance of the request and how is that gonna be taken care of. So the conservation commission is not sort of left with all these loose ends without a way to manage it. And also it guarantees a public process and it guarantees very few of the impact on the natural resources. And if there is a problem, you know, a way to look at it to see if there's some alternatives, some other ways to do it. And excuse me, I'd like to just ask a question. Who ultimately approves this project application and stuff? Where does the approval come from? Blackboard would ultimately approve it. What would happen if somebody may request to use conservation land, they would present the proposal, probably to the conservation commission. We would notify both the right committee and also the select board that we had that. And then we would start through the review process. And then when the review process was done, we would make a recommendation to the select board. But, you know, select board members could be invited to attend and to have as much input as they wanted to, depending on what, you know, if it was a larger project as opposed to, you know, something minor. And the same with the rec committee, they would be invited to participate in that. And it just arrived from the rec committee, she's here with us. I'd just like to comment. I'm impressed with the thoroughness and the organization. I guess the only question I would have is in the review process or the application process. I didn't really clearly see a timeline and as far as how quickly or how slowly that an application or how can we consider or process. And I'm not sure if that's something, especially since you're a volunteer committee or two volunteer committees now that isn't easy to pin down, but had you given any thought about that? I guess that's my question. I did and, you know, we talked about just a little bit and it's sort of, I guess part of it is we are volunteer committees. Our committee's running a little short right the moment, but we hope to rectify that. But, you know, if this is a long-term thing, I guess there should be a reasonable timeframe on it. It's hard because some things have environmental impact that we can, you know, as a committee can discuss, some of it we may need to bring in somebody else with more expertise. So that would change on the timeline. If it hit a wetland or something like that, there may be a need for, you know, somebody from the state or somebody to come in. So that could very definitely change the timeline. I don't know if you ever thought about how long it should be your recommendation for that. I can see your concern and how something can get stuck beyond our control here in the town of Berlin. I can talk to someone like Norfield and see what they do and what kind of timeframe they work with with their rec committee on something like this. I mean, their conservation and rec committee on something like this. Okay. I mean, they've worked with us. I'm sure they are. Like to the conservation commission, I've communicated with them a couple of times already. Okay. You know, I know some of the, you know, it's a really big project. Sometimes it does take a while to get through, you know, a review of it. If it's small, you know, you could maybe go through it fairly quickly that we can reach out and try to get more information on timelines. Thank you. Just a little history for the new members on the board. This started with the previous board a little bit working on this to have something that standardized how we approached the organization, different organizations, because we didn't have anything at the time and VAS kind of brought that to light. Mamba was up there already. They hadn't done any of this, essentially. And then VAS comes along and it almost felt like there was a little bit of an imbalance on how each of them were or had been treated. So they came up with a method to try to standardize anybody that wants to do anything up there will now have to go through the same process had the same approvals to be consistent across the board with everyone. So that it's kind of how it evolved over time. I agree in having a process up there. I don't know that I guess how it's going to be handled. You know, I haven't read this through, you know, the applicant, you know, I see the application and stuff like that, but how it's going to go and review and stuff like that. I haven't read through that part. And I really like the opportunity to kind of look at this and talk a little bit more. Because are we going in the, it would definitely go in the right direction for a process. I just feel trying to approve this in the application process tonight, maybe we may be rushing in a little bit real quick. And that's just my thoughts on it. I know, I know it came to light with VAST and stuff, because I personally would like to see a little more time and look a little more into this process. Can you put it on the agenda again in June? I think I'd do plenty of time. First meeting in June? That would be sufficient. Okay. And also this is, seeing as this is the first draft, if we do this with one group and we run into, you know, things that aren't working, you know, I see it as something iterative to get a process that works. So, you know, there may be some kinks in this one and that we work it out, you know, as we go along. Oh, that's a good point. It is very middle. It's never been dry. Yeah. You're headed in the right direction for sure. And I can agree upon that. I just, I want to be able to dig into this a little more and just understand the process. It's always the what ifs. Exactly. This is Tom Willard. Yeah, Tom. Hi, everybody. Could be back with the board. I just thought I'd add that some things, if there was a new ATV or mountain bike trail, for example, application in late November and there was six inches of snow with more predicted or something through a wetland where we knew there was some endangered species which we do have in Berlin, it may, that just thinking about the time plan and as we go through amendments to the process here, some of these things would have to wait until spring and the snow goes or the vegetation emerges in order to do the due diligence of locating that particular activity. So time, you know, as a good discussion on the timeframe, I just thought I'd mention that. Anything else, Wendell? I don't have anything else. If you have questions, I can try to answer them, but I don't have anything else right now. So I'll work with you, Wendell, in on this. If there's anything that you want to do between now and the first meeting in June as well to revise it or again, for that meeting. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. And I think, Tom, you've got another item. Are we there? May 14th, Birdwalk. The amusement application, yes. Yes, the Berlin Pond Conservation Association together with the Berlin Conservation Commission are sponsoring a little event The planning is to walk with Everett Marshall, who is the director of the Fish and Wildlife's Natural Heritage Program and Eric Sorensen, a retired state biologist and an author of a couple of books. And the plan is to meet about 8.30 at the Fish and Wildlife Access Area. And then a walk along Brookfield Road to the south end of Berlin Pond, near where the culvers are. Just kind of a fun walk to identify birds as we go. And then at the south end, there would be at the existing little parking area that is presently on Jean Mastriano's land. There'd be a little table set up with donuts and cider, I think. And there would be just a little discussion of the natural resource values of Berlin Pond and the wetlands and the area around it by these two guys. And hopefully we would adjourn. That would occur about 10.30 at the south end for those that don't want to walk the length of the pond. And hopefully it would be wrapped up by noon or before noon. Parking at the north end, there's parking for, I don't know, 30 or 35 cars along the road that the select board designated for parking there. At the south end, there's a little more limited parking. There's some parking that the select board is designated from the culverts to the east along the right-hand side of the road. Any overflow, members of the conservation commission and the watershed association will park on Jerry and Meg's land, their field just up around the corner. And any overflow, if there is overflow parking at the south end will be directed up to park in the field too. I kind of question whether there'll be overflow, how popular this will be. But it's not unusual compared to what Brian Pfeiffer or others used to do pretty routinely around the pond. But so I'm thankful I asked if we need a permit. I almost forgot. I think Vince were reminding me. So I don't know if there's any questions that Wendy and I could answer. I'd make a motion to approve the ordinance, amusement ordinance permit for the bird of the identification walk around Berlin pond on 51422 from 9 a.m. to noon. Sounds like a fun event. I second it. Are you coming? I will come. It sounds like fun. Any further discussion? Have we done this? We've done this before, correct? We haven't as a conservation commissioner, the watershed association of course is brand new less than a year old, but others have done it. I know that some of the local birders have had events. I don't know, but maybe the North branch of the nature center is having one of the Friday before some front and some coming up soon. So it's not unusual, although we're planning on advertising this a little bit. So it might create a little bit more crowded than what some of the others are attracted to. The highway crew, can we put up signs saying something about large numbers of people looking at birds and not at the traffic or something? Well, you'd have the organization do that. The event organizers usually put up signs. We asked them to put up signs. Okay, they'll put up signs. Whenever there's a running event out there, the voters club puts up the signs and things. They have time to have it printed out. I mean, it's 25 on the back side of the pond. It's what, 35 on the front? Any further discussion? All those in favor? Motion carries. There you go, Tom. Thank you. Thank you all. Anything else? Recreation committee update regarding the monthly or swimming lesson? In the past, I believe the PT and I at the school organized this. So there was only a little bit of information I could believe about how many participants utilized this program in the past. But what we did was subsidize a part of the fee for non-residents for their children that have swim lessons at the monthly or pool. And I think in the past, we subsidized $25. So the total fee for Berlin residents would be $27.50. For there, we could have swim lessons. And I think around 30 participants and it was a little bit difficult to get information from the Montpelier Rec department. People are away and we showed a few things back and forth. But what I landed on with them was that I would print the registration form out, write Berlin across the top in giant letters and photocopy that to distribute at the school. And I can also figure out how to distribute that to residents who aren't in the school. And so that Montpelier can track how many Berlin residents are signing up. And what they wanted was for the resident to pay the entire fee and then get reimbursed by us, which I said, first of all, that could make it less accessible for the residents. And second of all, that seems like a really big headache for our town to reimburse each resident signing up. So I proposed that we gave, that we cut them a check for 30 participants. And if we go beyond that, then we'll pay more. Or if we go less than that, then they will reimburse us for that difference. So what I'm hoping for is that we can approve getting $750 to the Montpelier Rec department to be earmarked for the subsidization of 30 swim lessons. And we could cap it at that, or we could say we'll make up the difference as those registrations come in. Does that cover the fork? I thought you said it was 2750. The resident will pay 2750. We will subsidize 25. So the total non-resident fee is 5250. 5250. So this is strictly for the Berlin residents? Yes, yep. How many people do we usually take and subsidize to you? You know, I am thinking it's probably about 30. Your wife is one of the three. I was gonna give you an email, I thought you could try. Yeah, she actually spoke with her this morning, so I knew that was around 30 sometimes more. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yep. That was about it. And how much is earmarked for this? We don't have any. At this point, there was nothing in the budget for FY22 or FY23. However, there is a little for $5,000 in reserves. So if they wanted to use some reserve money. From the rectifier. Yes. Yeah, from the rectifier. And the way it did work, the last one we were doing it, was the resident would pay Montpelier the 2750. And then they issued a check to Berlin for 20, no, excuse me. They would pay what they were supposed to pay to Montpelier. And then Montpelier would just give me one fee. In other words, 30 people signed up, all these people pay, so this is your cut. Which is what I was thinking would be easiest, that they just like sign up the bill. Right. But they were very resistant to that. And I don't know if something weird happened in the past or what the issue with that might have been. Wait, I don't know. I don't remember there really being too many issues. Yes, I can. Yeah. But as far as us taking the check from the person, and then that, no, that's not due to the time. Right, I agree. So this is all by per person. Did their fee structure have a family? No. A family plan of some sort? No. So you're going to sign up each. I mean, I can write one check, but I have to do three. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And you feel that 30, 30 is the number you've been with? Pretty much. I mean, we haven't done it for two years now, so now I'm really going back in time. But yeah, I would say it. But there have been years there's more. Right. I know that one of our recreation committee members, homeschools or children, is a real advocate for getting the word out beyond the school, which makes a lot of sense. Right, of course. And there's younger kids, too. So I mean, part of me hopes we would get more. You're right, yeah. I make the motion to approve the expenditure of the $750 approximately for up to 30 participants and using that from the reserve funds of the Recreation Committee. I second that. Any further discussion? That wouldn't be a cap though, would it? Is that what you're thinking? I just thought of, because if they had 35 or even 40 residents, for them to pay, it would just be on a first come, first served basis, so would we review this if there were additional 10 or 15 people showed up? It's a very good point. I mean, we were discussing it in terms of the $30 and the $750, but you bring up a very valid point. It could be 35 or 40 or 50 even. Do we want to have a cap and approve $750 flat? At this time, then they could come back for it if they needed another 10 people or whatever. That's just a thought. No, it's a good point. So how in the past, we took in, we're billed for the entire, yeah, if it was $1,000, it was $1,000. Let me just give you that one check. I would suggest that maybe we come on to the check with an enclosed letter that said this is for the first 30 participants. Please bill us for any amount over $750. It's a deposit in good faith if they don't trust us for the $750 like they have in previous years, but then we wouldn't close anybody out that couldn't make the payment. And I think it's a wonderful cause, and I hope many do participate, especially since it's been two years. And it's just a really good thing. I know my daughters participated years ago. And it's wonderful. Carol, you're saying that we would pay it up front or wait for the bill? The initial $750, I think we were paying up front, and that's what the vote is right now. But anything over and above that, maybe my failure would invoice us for anything beyond the 30. Just maybe as, when we give them the check, attach a letter requesting that. And if we only have 20 instead of 30, we're hoping that they'll let us know. OK. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. Just to be clear for my part, we're going to issue a check to the city of Montpelier for $750 on behalf of the RAC Committee for up to 30 participants with a letter that I will have to draft that states that. And that if it's less than 30, we're expecting a refund. If it's more than 30, please send us a bill that will for the additional cost. Perfect. Producements. Yep. Yeah. OK. Excellent. I think I understand it. Thank you, Ben. And thank you, Nana. Thank you. Appointments to the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission to Emergency Management? Yes. I overlooked those appointments in the last one when we did that large group. So I had to add them on for this one. It's in there in your package. Is the two highlighted at the bottom? Oh, it's just the two on the bottom. The others are already done. I'll put them each on the last one. So that one's on me. I'll make a motion to appoint James. I can't pronounce him. And Bruce Richardson to the Emergency Management Committee. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? All right. Those opposed, motion carries. Do you offer aid for the police and the highway? The revised quote is in your package. This would bring both the highway. And this quote now is complete. It will bring both the highway and the police department up to digital radio communications. And it also gives us the BCS spot on the tower. Record on the right, check with the state. Not music. Up on the tower. So they have full coverage throughout town. The benefit of going with these guys on this quote is they already have a rack on the tower. So the monthly rate will be much lower than if we had to go through the tower for that. It's going to be $100 a month for the space on the tower. And if approved, would we be using these funds from ARPA? Only a portion. We have roughly, it was $18,000? Yes. Between, yeah, there will be four different reserves. Right. But between what we had in communication funds for the highway and the police and some reserve for communication upgrades. It was somewhere around $18,000 or $19,000 that we have to go towards this to reduce the overall cost that would come out of, the balance would come out of ARPA. And I'm looking probably about $17,000. $17,000? Yeah. Because we've got, in the PD community fund, we get $6,000. And in the highway equipment, we got $10,897. We have $11,000 in one of the funds, too. Well, that's a different one. I guess that's why I was questioning it. The asset forfeiture has $11,722. I don't know if you want to use it for that. So roughly $37,000 to come out of ARPA funds? $37,000. Again, roughly $37,000. But this, again, this will be the last time in 20 years that we have to upgrade those radio systems to be digital and up to snuff. And on the tower, so they have complete coverage for both the highway. We can save a little bit. I don't know that dollar amount. Because on the highway side, we don't have to enable the public service frequency that the police have to have. So there'll be a little bit of savings there. I don't have confirmation of what that will be, but it's not going to be astronomical. You just don't have to enable it on the highway side. Your emotion on this? I'd make a motion to approve this. The upgrade on the radios for the police department and the highway department with the reserve funds of $17,000 roughly and the remainder of $37,000-ish coming out of the ARPA funds. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Yeah. Did we talk about repeaters for the mobile radios? I think maybe it was offline conversation. I think there was some concern with some of the PD and going in some of the buildings and not being able to reach out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And so I think if your mobile radios, if you were set up with a repeater in their cruisers, they would be better off being in a better position to communicate out what they're served. Just saying. Do you know what the cost of the repeaters are? For the cruisers? Yeah. Wanted to do that? I don't. I can find out very quickly. I will ask for a separate quote for that. And then we could just move forward with this. And if it's not working for them, the hilltop is one of those places they walk in and they can't reach out. If it doesn't work, I mean, if we do this and they still need that, I'll bring it back to the board with another quote and what's involved with that as well. Fantastic. Any other discussion on this? Those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Rules of licenses permit vouchers applications. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 22-22 for payroll from April 10 through April 23, 2022, paid on April 27, 2022 in the amount of $48,155.36. Payable warrant 22-G21 with checks 21-972 to 21-994 in the amount of $35,604.10. Also community national bank NAACH payment number four for the 2017 truck loan in the amount of $15,561.90. The April reconcile bank statements for the general fund and sewer water checking accounts. Seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Also liquor licenses to approve tonight, but that's it. Oh, yes. In addition, I make the motion to approve liquor license for approval. And we'll have signatures on that tonight after approval of the Thomas Farm and Garden at 535 US Route 302, which is a second class license, and Twin City Lanes 2, Incorporated 708 US Route 302 for a first class license, and a third class, and an outside consumption permit as well. Any problems with these before? No. Had they had the outside consumption license before? They had it last year, I believe. They've got that little area off to the end now. That's a second time. Just flow. Is that OK? Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Please don't forget to sign the liquor licenses as well. Round table, Dave? I didn't have anything. Carol? No. Well? No. Joe? Maybe just in reference to the amusement, and the special event permits, is there a way we could maybe rewrite those to make it one in the process? Probably could. I mean, it's not much different, because you have to approve each one individually. Right. So whether it says permit or application, it doesn't, on the top of it, it doesn't really change anything unless you're looking to try to make all the applications uniform. Right. Well, I see on the special event, there is an estimated number of people. In the amusement, there's not. Even with the special event, I mean, until it's happened, you really don't know. But I mean, dealing with estimates, I think, it'd be easier to, I don't know, see the impact to the area or the town. Maybe PD might want to have, their concerns might be something if the event was large enough for it's hundreds of people versus 50 people. And do we forward it to any, like, even the volunteer fire department? Yeah. Typically not. It goes usually to the highway. Again, we haven't had any, well, at least in my year or months, we haven't had anything that big or that major. But it typically goes to the highway department so they know there might be something going on on the roadways and for the police as well so that they know. But that's about the extent of it that I've done. But again, I can draft something, bring it to the board to have a look at for further discussion. And in the case of Glenis Road, I mean, we have another outside entity being Northfield EMS, who would be providing service up there. And I really think that communication needs to be had as well. So what you're saying, you want to have the permit list being sent to both fire and ambulance? I think they should have some kind of a review. Because you have a place there, you can put four stipulations. It's always four lines of something. And allowing them to review it, to write something to bring to the board for us to have the discussion, for the approval. And you feel good about signing up as chair. Well, I see your point, because especially in the times that we're in right now with numbers of peoples and incidents, that they have to be able to handle a tragic event or a mass casualty event. And if we've got groups of people in locations like that, somebody in the services need to know that, hey, there's going to be 50 people there this weekend. Just to eyes and ears, exactly. Just to have people either on standby or on call or something. It's just the times we live in nowadays. During that time of day, he's going to have one person out. And you're going to have a number of farmers and employees and then one person to help with the incident up there, if it gets out of hand. I can remember back years ago in Stowe, I think it was the bike race or something they had, where a car or some woman hit like six or eight people when they were calling for Morrisville and Waterbury. I think it's probably a good idea to think about that. I'll talk about something, and I'll have a distribution list on it for approval. And I'll bring it to the board for review and comment. Thank you, Ben. Thank you. Anything else, Joe? I'm good. Sorry. Anything, Vince? Oh, I might have a couple of things. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This one came in late, so I didn't get it on the agenda. It's a request. I'm just looking for the board's direction on this from Vast. They would like a letter of support for their trails program grant this year from us. I'm happy to draft one and bring it to the board for review. Has anyone had anything negative to say about the Vast trail? I did not receive. I'm happy to say I did not receive any calls with regards to the Vast trail this winter from negative. There were a couple of emails about their emails regarding, hey, it was a great trail. I hadn't been up there and that type of thing. There was a comment about from the Vast side, though, regarding dogs running on leashes that they had to be careful of and watch for. But other than that, it was pretty quiet. So if the board doesn't object, I'll draft a letter, let the board review it before it goes out of support for them. It's just for them to get funding for their trail grooming and so on. Grooming they need grant. He didn't give me a deadline. I don't believe. I don't see a date, but I'll get it done fairly quickly. I'll give you a review. So there was some damage up on the bridge, the new bridge. Do we know if that was what that was caused by? Nobody's raising their hand and saying that they did it, but we're talking with a couple of the Vast members as well. They're pretty sure that it was the groomer. And I talked to Dave Rulo, and he said they were going to take care of it. How extensive was the damage? It broke some of the sideboards, the railings, and things on the bridge. It was on an approach. So it wasn't major. It wasn't structural. More cosmetic-ish. And then the other one that I have is just I was asked at the last board meeting to see if the town clerk would be willing to come and to one of the board meetings to have a discussion. And simply the answer was no. She's not willing to do that at this time. So I think that just to put it a bug in your ear, we need to decide what our next steps are there with how we want to proceed. So that request was for both the town clerk and the assistant. Town clerk or just the town clerk? The town clerk. OK. So then I understand that she is after a resignation, put in a resignation. Does that have to be formally accepted by the board? We should probably take and do something, but I don't believe legally it has to be. And I'm just talking because I don't know. But how do you proceed or advertise or to ask people for unless you formally accepted a resignation? Sorry to jump in. The statute reads the way that I read it. And I can make a copy and send it to the board so they can have their own interpretation of it as well. But the way I read the statute, the board doesn't have to do anything until the date of the resignation and they have to within the next 10 days from that date of resignation is when they have to do their action. They have to decide whether they're going to appoint, what they're going to do. But that's kind of last minute as well for everybody, right? You can. The board has the opportunity to do whatever they desire at this point going forward to prepare as well. But from a statute standpoint, you don't have to do anything until that date. I think the statutes were written for when a person resigns today. Today, right? Because, again, the other thing the statute mentions is she has until the day of that resignation to withdraw it, which she desires as well. And although along those lines, I will put out there that I was really hoping that Rosemary would come before us and have the discussion. Because I think as a select board, we are in a position where we need to be as proactive as possible. And at the same time, we value her, her experience, her expertise, and whether there is any room for discussion and potentially withdrawal of this if she were to continue as a policy. All I can say to that is she told me that she is not going to be withdrawing it. She doesn't plan on it. So really the best case scenario she was to come is how we could learn from it and move forward. Exactly. OK. And I was looking at it as two-fold. And I don't see that we're going to have that opportunity. And I respect her decision, certainly. But we have from now until the end of June to do something. I think we've got to have her ducks in a row before the end of June. Right. Because given the amount of paperwork from CVH and the Burst and the deaths and all that, they have to be recorded. And everything else that's going on in town, if we don't do something. And two elections come up. And exactly. And at this point, we'd have to whether if there's interest from Karen, she's run elections before or been involved in the election process. And if not, who else has? So she may not even have an interest of taking it full-time position. So it's something that maybe we need to invite Karen and see if she's an interest. I'm not going to speak for her, but I'm relatively confident she's interested in it. OK. Just based on comments and discussion. Question. If she was to come in, is that going to be open? Public meeting? Or is that if Karen was to come in and have discussion of that position? That's be open. OK. That's be open. It's not a contract or a labor issue. Because she's appointed, but she was appointed through an election with Rosemary's appointment. Anything else, Vance? No, sir. Oh. That appointment technically ends with Rosemary's resignation. She'd have to be appointed by the board to go forward. No? Sorry. No? The statute clearly states that the appointed position stays until a decision is made, the next election, right? And then it becomes the next elected person to make that decision to appoint. OK. That's not, it wasn't my understanding of why a journal. I mean, again, I'll get copies of these and send them to you guys. You may have a different interpretation, but that's what I already hit. In the executive session? No, sir. Yeah, Joe? Sorry if it goes back and forth. Where are we with the assisted treasure? So we are enrolled in the internship at Norwich University. And we are online with them for distribution for the notification of that position through several hundred schools, both local and outside the state, through that program. Its handshake is the site that it's on through Norwich. I forget the name of the organization. I have to look it up and bury through the state, where they also have the notice of the position of working with them. I have one more person to contact that the state gave me also to raise that. So this has been out there for close to six weeks now. And I have had zero responses, including a week in the newspaper as well. And we've had zero responses to that. So in advertising this, this is all salaries based off experience. Correct. And there's no start. Because it's such a widespread. I'd be nervous to put any type of salary in there. If we get an intern or if we get someone with 10 years experience, there's a significant difference there, right? Sure. So it's to commensurate with experience. So yeah, that's the good news of where we are with that. What a spectacular time it is in our country to be looking for a job. Oh, my gosh. Lord, yeah. Yeah. Look at her over 60. I got one I'll give away. OK, anything else? I'd make a motion to adjourn. Your second? Second. All in favor? Aye. We adjourned.