 Good morning, good afternoon, everyone. A very warm welcome to this hybrid event, National Agroecology Strategies, Lighthouses for Food Systems Transformation. And it's wonderful to have all of you with us today, whether it's online or here in Geneva with us. Today's event is hosted by FAO, Biovision, the Agroecology Coalition, and the Food Policy Forum for Change. And this event is also part of the policy working group of the Agroecology Coalition. My name is Charlotte Parageau. I work for Biovision on Policy Support, and I have the pleasure to guide you through the next hour and a half together. We were amazed by the number of registrations to this event, more than 700. And I think it shows an incredible interest from all over the world, not only to transform our food systems through holistic approaches that are respectful of natural resources, that empowers farmers and local communities, and promote social equity. But more precisely, it shows a need to reflect on policy frameworks and the role and coordinated actions. So the topic of this webinar is National Agroecology Strategy. It's a rather novel approach to scale up agroecology within the policy landscape. And quite interestingly, there is a real momentum in eastern and southern Africa to develop strategies that support the transformation of food systems through agroecological approaches. Now we are lucky to have today a wonderful lineup of actors and experts who are the frontline of developing those national policy frameworks from various countries. And we will touch upon the following questions. What are these strategies about? What are their objectives? And what can we learn on how to develop these frameworks? You also would have the opportunity to ask questions to our speakers and panelists through our Q&A box. So please don't hesitate to post your question. Many organizations and more and more are supporting agroecological initiatives, including dialogue and policy support and policy developments that are conducive to agroecology. And FAO is one of them, notably with its Scaling Up Agroecology Initiative. This is why I'm very pleased to now welcome Dominique Bourgen, he's the director of the FAO Liaison Office in Geneva. And as you know, Geneva is at the heart of many topics related to food system and sustainability. This is one of the strengths of those national agroecology strategies to tackle different challenges of food system and to bring a form to plate approach. Dominique, the floor is yours. Well, thank you very much. Indeed, Charlotte, great to be here with the room full in Geneva, but in either a bigger virtual room with so many, indeed, participant in virtual mode and so many also people who have registered and will be receiving all the findings of this webinar today. And indeed, the topic of today's session is really of very high importance and we are delighted to be associated to that. And as you know, FAO has been working on the topic for quite some time. And I would say that the key moment was about 10 years ago when FAO played a key role in facilitating global and regional dialogues on agroecology. In particular, in September 2014, in response to growing interest in agroecology, FAO has organized an international symposium on Agroecology for Food Security and Nutrition that was held in Rome with the objective of assessing the extent and impact of agroecological practices identifying constraints and developing common priorities. The need to understand the specific local requirements and realities of agroecology, as a matter of fact, led to a series of seven regional multi-stakeholder seminars. And the decision was made based on the success of this regional seminar toward a second symposium International Symposium on Agroecology in 2018. This series of symposium and meeting at all levels led to the launch of two important initiatives to which Charlotte referred, that is the first one. The Scaling Cup Agroecology Initiative was in collaboration with UN partners as well as the presentation of the conceptual framework on the 10 elements of agroecology, which was approved by the FAO Council in 2019. Another important tool developed by FAO and a large number of partners is the tool for agroecology performance evaluation, which you probably better know under its acronym TAPE, and which has been used now in a number of countries, including this one, Switzerland, and which aims to measure the multi-dimensional performances of agroecological systems across a different dimension of sustainability, building a global evidence based on the performance of agroecology. All this work enabled FAO. I would say in line with the core functions that were the center of FAO work to support member states in scaling up agroecology and accompany the transition to sustainable food and agriculture systems. For example, we work on policy processes and we provide technical support to the government wanting them to embark into that sort of journey. We compile and disseminate knowledge, science, and innovation, either at the core of a knowledge organization like FAO. We provide technical assistance and execution in implementation of field projects with a particular focus, perhaps, on small orders farmers. And we engage, of course, in global fora and provide FAO as a place to discuss all these things. We are also an active member of the agroecology coalition. And in that context, we, of course, will contribute to accelerate the transition, the transformation of food systems through agroecology, supporting this coalition, and the national agroecology processes. In that context, I can say that we at the FAO is an office in Geneva, but as well as with our colleagues, some of whom are connected online. We are really pleased to organize and participate in this webinar today, which will be reflecting on this forward-looking initiative from Biovision and the Food Policy Forum for Change. And really, I look forward to food for deliberation and to a lot of very interesting recommendations, and especially those coming from Eastern Africa where we are very active and keen to learn from the folks who are participating online. Thank you, Charlotte. Thank you very much, Dominique. And as you stated, there's really many ways to accompany the transition of food and the control systems, and policies is one of the key levels. Now, as countries are developing new policies, let's take a minute to reflect on the role of national policy frameworks and on the role of different actors. And so I would like to welcome our next speaker, Paul Holmbeck, who will give us his take on this topic. Paul is a member of the World Board in IFOAM Organics International. And more importantly, he has really in-depth experience when it comes to organic and agricultural policy and in advising governments. Paul, please welcome. Thank you, Charlotte. It's a pleasure to be in such good company. And I bring greetings from the World Board of IFOAM Organics International and also from the Organic Food and Farming Movement, 4.5 million farmers strong worldwide, most in the global South. And we're very excited about today's focus on national policy frameworks for upscaling agriculture and for the front-running work in East Africa. Like the FAO, Biovision, Agriculture Coalition, IFOAM really believes that sharing best practices on national policies across borders is one of the things that's going to drive change through agriculture worldwide. The peer-to-peer exchange among policymakers and organizations in eight African nations there in October, which this outcomes brief is based on, it was really a great example of this. And those were some great days. There's a lot of gold here summarized in the outcomes brief and really rich lessons about both the how of developing national policy frameworks, but also the what of specific policy measures that can efficiently bring knowledge to farmers and develop supply chains and markets, ensure availability of seed and investments, and not least invest in the farmer-led organizations and civil society organizations that are really key to implementation. And I think everyone's talking about food systems these days, it's a good thing. But a lot of this is about more about really tweaking the current food system rather than transforming anything. And we know that agriculture delivers. We need only listen to the science to know that agriculture delivers on climate resilience, biodiversity, farm and rolling comes, protection of water resources, empowerment of women and youth, and on food and nutrition security. And I would claim there's really no other focus area for policy or for investments that provide so many results across so many global goals as agri-ecology. But we also know that change doesn't happen on its own. The transformative power of agri-ecology and organic food systems can't be mobilized without national policy frameworks. And this is true in Europe and the Americas and Asia as it is in Africa. And having had the pleasure of working on behalf of Biovision in a kind of a support role with ministries and organizations in Uganda and Tanzania, I'd like to just highlight just a few strengths of their efforts that others might benefit from. First, the very close collaboration and co-creation of policy between ministry staff and a very diverse group of civil society and farmer-led organizations. That's the solid platform for change with really deep roots. Second, the recognition that no policies for agri-ecology organics can be implemented successfully without strong capacity in the frontline organic and agri-ecological organizations that can really drive change. And I would in particular like to highlight the close collaboration in both in Uganda and Tanzania between organic and agri-ecological stakeholders on policy and on advocacy. That too is a model for many other regions, building trust, combining efforts for national impact. It's really inspiring to see the diversity of actors behind these national strategies. And I would also say, this is inspiration for our global movements at large. We are one family and together we are the strongest alternative to degenerative food systems. This work is not easy anywhere. I hope that this outcomes brief is useful for national actors in creating supportive national policies. And I would really invite global actors that are with us today, also donors, whether multilateral, bilateral, philanthropic to really look closely at the needs for support that are identified, both in these policy development processes, supporting them and the recommended interventions that stakeholders have come with. We can only succeed by lifting together in broad coalitions and preferably at the same time. And I'd also really like to thank the policy makers in civil society and farmer-led organizations that really generously contributed all their experiences and hard earned lessons to the outcome brief. And thanks to BioVision also for pulling all this together. I can tell you, as someone who's worked with policy development and implementation for more than 30 years, there's a really useful inspiration and tips in there for everyone, including myself. So dig in. And thanks very much for organizing this launch. Thank you very much, Paul. And thank you for those sharp messages on the value of developing national frameworks. Today's event is a combination of an exchange we organized last year between policy makers and policy shapers from eight different countries in Eastern and Southern Africa on national agroecology strategies. And as Paul mentioned, we summarized the key messages of this exchange in an outcome brief. Now, I have the pleasure to welcome my colleague from BioVision, Moritz Fergut, who is one of the lead author of this summary brief. He's gonna give us a few snapshots of this brief. Thank you, Charlotte. And welcome also from my side to everybody. I have now the great pleasure to summarize the main elements out of the outcome brief which we named National Agroecology Strategies in Eastern and Southern Africa Light Houses for Food Systems Transformation. As Dominic mentioned earlier, there are multiple organizations which are supporting agroecological policy efforts. And so is also BioVision Foundation. We are supporting national actors in Eastern and Southern Africa to develop and advance the agroecological policy agendas. So before we hear from the real protagonists which are driving this change in Africa, let me present to you an overview of some of the learnings that we took from these policy developments and from a learning process which was already mentioned the peer-to-peer exchange that we co-designed with these protagonists last year. So before we dive into the brief's content, I believe it's important to set the scene and talk a bit about the context that we are in. What we observe is that there's real momentum in Eastern and Southern Africa, as it has been mentioned already, to develop these national frameworks for an agroecological transformation of food systems. One country already launched its strategy, another one is following this summer and some others will also follow later this year. More concretely, as you see it on the map on the slides, there are four countries which are different stages of the development of such national strategies. Zambia started its own process last year with the unifying objective of climate change adaptation and mitigation through agroecology. And what's interesting about Zambia's example is that the process was initiated both by agroecology advocates, but also by the national climate movement. So this really shows that these strategies have prosecutorial opportunities to offer. Then in Kenya and Uganda, governments and food system actors are working on the consolidation of their respective draft strategies with Kenya aiming to launch its strategy by the summer and Uganda aiming for a launch by the end of the year. Last but not least, Tanzania is the front runner in this group with, because Tanzania launched its national ecological organic agriculture strategy, the NEOWAS, last November. And now in Tanzania, the focus is on implementation and funding, which is a crucial element of these processes. Here I also want to acknowledge that there is other developments in West Africa and Latin America where countries are considering or already developing such national frameworks. Coming back to our core focus region, what we see is that in these four countries where we see the development of national strategies, key food system actors play a really important role in these processes. These actors include farmer organizations, agronomic research institutions, private sector actors, and civil society organizations that promote, that protect the environment, or represent consumers, or represent as well marginalized and underrepresented communities. All these food system actors either drive the processes or accompany the drafting process of these strategies to ensure that a diversity of perspectives are included in the strategies. So you might be wondering what actually these national agriculture strategies may be first to state that there are different concepts such as ecological, organic agriculture, and others which are referring to strategic frameworks which are all aligned with agroecology. What we decided to do is to regroup them around the concept and umbrella term of national agroecology strategies. So how do we define these? National agroecology strategies are overarching, are overarching, sorry, yeah, overarching frameworks that strengthen a country's policies related to food system. They outline specific policy intervention that accelerates food system transformation through agroecology. These strategies can support a country's efforts to improve food security, climate resilience, biodiversity, water usage, the protection of soils or farm incomes. These strategies also contain interventions that target really the whole food system, all parts of the food systems. This includes agricultural production, natural resource management and governance, research and extension services, but also education, the development of value chains, markets, consumption, as well as food waste governance. So now that the context is set and the concept of national agroecology strategies is defined, I would summarize the key, the briefs key messages. But before doing so, and this has been said already, but I want to emphasize that this outcome brief builds on the learnings that we collected during a peer-to-peer exchange with 25 government representatives and civil society actors from eight countries, which you see on the map. And we also have a nice picture from the group. These countries are either developing strategies or really also more and more interested in promoting agroecological policies and maybe in the future developing these strategies too. Let me now summarize some of the key learnings we could extract from the conversations we had with these actors in Nairobi last October. Well, an important question we asked ourselves was why should governments actually choose to develop a NAS? To the peer-to-peer event in Nairobi, we added and identified together with the participants five main advantages that these strategies present to governments. First, they offer an integrated and holistic approach for tackling multiple food system challenges at once. Second, they involve different government authorities with relevant competencies and they support coordinated action across government. This is not really the case through the involvement of authorities responsible for agriculture, education, the environment, health or commerce. Third, these strategies are action-oriented. They strengthen existing policy efforts and they set out, and this has been said already by Paul as well, clear policy interventions. Fourth, these strategic documents are participatory in nature. In the countries that we've in the focus region and in the countries that we focused on, they're initiated through bottom-up processes and drafted through dialogue with relevant food system actors. And I think here it's important to underline that this really guarantees that in-depth knowledge and direct experience and expertise related to different parts of the food systems are included in the drafting process of these strategies from the start. And finally, these national strategies also contribute to national priorities. These priorities can be common such as food security, the strengthening of food security, but it can be also distinct priorities for each country. As we see, for instance, in Tanzania, there's a focus on the promotion and development of agroecological markets. In Uganda, a key objective is improving economic viability and in Kenya, it is to counter or to fight soil acidification. Now you might be wondering, what do these strategies actually cover? Well, there are many ways policy developments for the scaling up of agroecology can be structured, but we propose as a four by four framework of strategic objectives. This is based on common objectives that can be found in these national strategies and the discussion that we had in our peer-to-peer exchange in Nairobi. Just a comment maybe on this. This is not an exhaustive list. Of course, there can be also specificities from country to country with other objectives and the naming can also vary from country to country, but it still gives this four by four framework, gives a useful framework for policymakers to structure the work on the agroecological transformation of food systems. Why didn't we call it four by four? Well, because we have four key objectives that cover the food value chain and four key objectives which are cross-cutting. The four objectives that are distributed along the food value chain are access to natural capital and sustainable resource management, farmer transition to agroecological practices, the strengthening of fair supply chains and entrepreneurship, and the creation of strong markets for agroecological products and healthy diets. Looking at the four cross-cutting objectives, we define these as first coherent governance and policy across food systems, flexible and adequate financing mechanisms, capacity building of food system actors, and last but not least, the mainstreaming of social inclusion of women, youth, small-holder farmers and vulnerable groups. Within each of these strategic objectives, these strategies contain concrete interventions. And I really invite you to, after this event, to go into the brief and look into this chapter because we really defined and we took out some key interventions for each of these objectives. But just to give an idea, we, two examples, for instance, in the Kenya strategy, we have the opening up of existing subsidy schemes to agroecological farming practices, and more specifically, opening up fertilizer subsidies to buy your inputs, to provide alternatives to farmers. In Tanzania strategy, another interesting intervention is the concerns public procurement interventions to buy agroecological products. Now, we also have two other sections which are really interesting in our brief, but which I will not be able to detail now. I just want to mention them. The brief also contains a section on how to make interventions actionable and impactful and proposes methodological tips for the prioritization of interventions because these strategies can really contain many interventions, so it might be important to prioritize. And then the brief also touches upon the important topic of resource mobilization for the development of these strategies, but also then for the implementation. I really invite you to also check out the brief to look into these really interesting chapters in the brief. So to conclude, we chose the symbolic image of lighthouses as these national agroecology strategies can be seen as lighthouse frameworks of the agroecological transition of food systems. They have the potential to guide countries through effective and targeted, yet comprehensive policy action. But what is really important is political support and funding. This is essential to our view. So we hope this brief will inspire and support policymakers worldwide to start their own mass processes together with national food system actors. I want to see also the opportunity to thank the co-authors of this brief, as well as all those who provided precious feedback and general support along the journey, namely the GIZ, FAO, C4ECRAF, Bombay Consult, the Agroecology Coalition, and of course the 25 participants who appear to peer exchange in Nairobi. This brings me to the end of my presentation. I thank you for your attention and I'm really happy now and pleased to give the floor to some of those actors mentioned during the presentation. We'll provide first hand insights on the national processes. Thank you very much, Mart. And you can find the link to the brief in the Q&A box, as we don't have a chat function for this event. And another quick reminder, you can ask questions to our speakers and to our upcoming panelists, also in the Q&A box. So I would like now to welcome our four panelists who are four champions of national agroecology strategies in their countries and invite them to turn on their camera. I will start with Alex Wacuba. Alex Wacuba is a commissioner for crop production at the crop production department within the Ministry of Agriculture, Animal Industry and Fisheries of the Republic of Uganda. As we heard earlier, Uganda is currently drafting a national agroecology strategy and Alex, you're one of the main champion and focal point within your ministry. My question to you is the following. Can you tell us what are the main objectives you want to achieve through the national agroecology strategy in Uganda? And also what gaps does the strategy feels in compared to other existing policy on food and agriculture in Uganda? Yeah, thank you very much, Charlotte. And just to observe protocol, Dominic and from FAO, staff from Baudet Vision Foundation, Maurice, Paul, my longtime friend and all of you participants and organizers. Thank you very much. As Charlotte said, Alex Wacuba, commissioner crop production department in the Ministry of Agriculture, Animal Industry and Fisheries. We are happy to have been invited to be part of this event. We thank you very much for all the support even to formulate our NAS and our organic agriculture policy launched in 2019. But to the question, our NAS, first of all, is addressing one problem. And that is the problem of diminishing biodiversity and natural resources degradation. So that is the key issue. We want to reverse the trend of biodiversity degradation of natural resource degradation. Biodiversity extinction and the natural resource degradation want to reverse that trend. And the key objective, overall objective, is to, actually we want to promote or we are promoting sustainable transformation of the food systems in Uganda to ensure food and nutrition is saturated, climate resilient, livelihoods and social inclusion for all. That's our overall objective. But we have specific objectives. For example, number one is we want to enhance availability and access to appropriate inputs to foster production of food or feed and to transition towards sustainable food systems. Then the second one is that we want to strengthen research, innovation and training in order to foster the products, the ecological products and services in ecological approaches. The third is that we want to actually promote value addition and marketing. We want to promote value addition and market access of ecological products and services to facilitate sustainable consumption and transitioning towards health diets for all. And the fourth is that we want to strengthen we want to enhance the social inclusion, social equity inclusion for participatory governance in the food systems. And then last, finally, the future specific objective is to strengthen social, to strengthen the enabling environment for resource mobilization systems and the structures for ecological scaling up and transitioning. Those are our specific objectives. Now, what this NAS is trying to do is the NAS is coming to address avoid, avoid in the policies, in the legislation, in the programs and the plan of government which we have observed to be lopsided towards conventional. And yet the conventional approaches, the conventional supporting systems are the ones worsening the ecosystem's degradation. So the NAS is coming to fill that gap, to beat that gap. NAS is coming to address that gap. And also we have the organic agriculture policy which is related to ecological agriculture because for us here in Uganda, we observe that organic agriculture and agroecology are talking to one thing. The difference between the two is that agroecology is wider in scope. It has 13 principles that it addresses yet organic agriculture has only four. So although we have fully alleged and approved the government policy, we are also entertaining and embracing agroecology strategy because it addresses a wider scope of food use systems trans-joining and transformation. Where are we? We are now at approval stages. We are pursuing approval. Thank you. Thank you very much, Alex. And I think your vision for this national agroecology strategy is very clear. So thank you for this. For those who are wondering, we are gonna share the recording of this event after the end of the event in case you missed some of its pop. Now I will turn to Mary Irungu. Mary is a policy advocacy coordinator at Pelum, Kenya. And Pelum is a network of civil society organization working with small-scale farmers with more than 60 members. And is one of the key non-governmental organizations coordinating the development of a national agroecology strategy in Kenya. And I know, Mary, you just went through a very wide consultation processes in 47 counties in Kenya. So quite an extensive process of consulting actors. So can you tell us a bit more about stakeholder engagement and maybe what was the role of different actors both in the drafting and what is envisaged for the implementation? And maybe you can tell us what was most surprising during this consultation process. Okay. Thank you very much, Sharot and the team. And thank you very much for the opportunity to share the process of formulating NAS for Kenya. So in terms of the stakeholders involved in the NAS, it started back in 2020 December, where we hold the past vision in workshop that brought together key actors in the agriculture sector. This from the Ministry of Agriculture, the national level, and the county governments represented by Vihiga County, based on the fact that they had already initiated the process of agroecology, Moranga County and Busea, and also the civil society, mainly those who are promoting agroecology. And so out of this vision in workshop, a draft was formulated. And in Kenya, it is a constitution requirement to involve the public. And therefore, we had to engage the 47 counties, as you have mentioned, and the purpose of the 47 counties engagement is just to create awareness on the process that is ongoing and at the same time to ensure that the process is enriched. So at the county level, we have engaged the former groups, former representatives, both those who are promoting agroecology and those who are promoting conventional agriculture, women and youth groups, civil societies, and also county departments of agriculture, environment, health department, as well as academia. Yesterday, we had also an engagement with extension officers and health practitioners, just to ensure that no gap that is left in the process of formulating the national agroecology strategy. One key thing that has been coming out and what has been amazing me is the fact that all stakeholders are appreciating the challenges that we are having in the agriculture sector and appreciating that agroecology is the best approach to address these challenges. And an interesting thing is the urge of these stakeholders to learn more on agroecology as well as get involved in the process. And this has been a key thing throughout the 47 counties that we have been engaging. So it has been a key thing. And the Ministry of Agriculture are the key stakeholders who have been taking lead in the process together with Intersectoral Forum for Agroecology and Agroborodiversity. Charlotte, back to you. Neighborhood country, Tanzania, with Janet Marrow. Janet is a chief executive officer of Sustainable Agriculture Tanzania, also called SAT. And SAT is another incredible organization engaged in responding to farmers' needs and to promoting agroecological practices. We heard earlier that Tanzania already launched its national ecological organic agriculture strategy. And again, SAT was one of the key core actors behind the development of this strategy. So Janet, can you tell us what are the next steps for this strategy? And can you share some advice, maybe to some of the other countries or other organizations that would be interested in developing such strategies? And I think everyone is particularly interested in the challenges you face in that process. Thank you very much, Charlotte. And thank you for fellow panelists, but also the presentations from Moritz and also from Paul. Indeed, for us, we are very happy as a country to be one of the lighthouses of these countries that at least have already a national ecological organic agriculture strategy, which is really perving the way for transformation and transitioning to more sustainable food systems. And for us, our process was very participatory and very engaging. And I say we were successful as a country to have this strategy due to the very strong collaboration of various actors. Of course, with the government, the civil society, but also farmers in the agriculture movement and network in Tanzania who were consulted and were part and parcel of the process of putting up a strategy. And for us also know that the strategy was launched last year in November. And I have to say it was a process that took about the actual work on the strategy took about two years. But before that, of course, you know all these efforts and initiatives to try and build the case for having a national strategy were in place, but the actual work with the technical team that worked to put up the strategy, it took about two years. And with us having the strategy launched and in place with very good strategic objectives, we say now it's time to put it into practice. So we're one of the first countries to have a strategy, but also it's a challenge for us to put it into practice and make sure that we monitor, we assess ourselves as a country and as we implement the strategy and also as we, how would you say this? As we implement the strategy and get to put into practice there, what we said we will do or what is written in the strategy and be able to evaluate and assess ourselves over time and see what progress we are making because if we are able to implement this very good strategy that is currently written on paper, it will be a big transformation and a big change for food production in the country which will impact of course the farmers and the landscaping in Tanzania. And that's one of the challenges. I think Charlotte you mentioned also some of the challenges we experienced here where our country is so big in terms of surface area and indeed to be able to have the representative representation of all the country was a big challenge due to the vast size of the country but nevertheless the technical team was able to go across the different agroecological zones and also the challenge of resources as you've had it's a big resource intensive as well. So this was addressed by looking for partners and supporters and collaborators to work together but also some of the organizations provided the facilities to be used by the technical team to be able to draft and put together the document. The whole team that worked on the drafting of the strategy worked on a pro bono basis. So there was no consultant who was hired or recruited from outside to do the work and we appreciate the support that Biovision provided but also Paul Holmbeck who also did pro bono support to review and give comments on this strategy which helped to shape and polish the document also from the agroecology coalition. Thank you very much. Thank you Janet. So I take this as a team message to engage very early with as many partners as possible to mobilize different types of resources to engage in this process. So let's take another perspective for our last panelists. I'm pleased to welcome Rémi Cluzet he's a senior agricultural advisor working in agroecology at FAO and through the FAO scanning up agroecology initiative you have the opportunity to follow the development of agroecology in many regions. So looking at the bigger picture Rémi what role do you think those national agroecology strategies can play to support an agroecological transformation and maybe to be a bit more critical what are the limits as well of those strategies and what maybe what else should happen then? Hello, so thank you for inviting me. So yeah, so first I would like to congratulate Biovision and the partners who are involved in this work. So as Dominique Biojon said, it's been like 10 years now that FAO started the multi stakeholders process on agroecology. This process will lead to the scanning up initiative on agroecology that we launched in 2018. So I'm quite glad to see what happened because I was organizing, attending and drafting policy recommendation of almost all of the seminar we organized like the regional seminar, international seminar and we could see this really strong expectation from farmer organization and we are wondering or will the government follow this process because it's clear that there is a lot of expectation it's clear that agroecology is a center of SDG solution. So I'm really happy to see what happened now. So yes, to answer to your question about what it can bring, of course for me there is a symbolic aspect because I consider like it's a dynamic with lunch with the four country already engaged and for other country to be involved in the region. So for me it's a positive signal and that may inspire all the members country. So for me it's an important step for the institutionalization of agroecology which is what we are trying to set up and already congratulate my colleague from Tanzania, Uganda, Kenya and Zambia for this work. Secondly, I think I will agree with what's more it's presented in the briefing, the key advantage. There are five key advantage and I noted initially that yes, there is a pedagogic and strategic aspect because and Charlotte also you say that in the introduction or agroecology offer an integrated and holistic approach because we tackle multiple challenge in one time. So for policymaker it's a really interesting solution to move forward on certain development goals. After I will seek by the methodological aspect, the brief highlights important aspect, a good practices to be used when you develop a policy. So the multi-sectoral approaches, the need for policy currents which is really, really important but we sometimes forget. The actionability of intervention, of course, their prioritization, there was something really interesting presented in the document about the 10 criteria to support the actionability. I think it's a framework with really, really innovative and interesting. Of course, the funding mechanism including repurposing actual funds that we should not forget and the importance of using existing instruments, many, many, many times we realize we already have the solution in the country. We have the legal framework but they are not implemented. So the question is why they are not implemented? What can we do to implement that and not to reinvent the wheel? And of course, this process will definitely be useful to support agroecology institution within FO work. So I heard like Paul call for global organization. It will be useful for us as a fair in the scaling up initiatives, useful, of course but we will listen to Oliver, useful for the agroecodic tradition. So, okay, now what about the limits? The limit I could feel but we need to dig a little more into this. It's about the methodology, it's about the diagnostic and the strategic approach. Implementing a policy, especially a transformative policy that implies a recomposition between actors need to have a good understanding of what stakeholder can win or can lose to address the poor in balance. The past decency is a lock-in to avoid further blockages because you can decide something. I think in a multi-sector consultation things are set but not everything. So maybe also separate discussion with actor to really understand the challenge. I think that's something really important. Maybe it was done of course because I don't have all the details but I think this strategic approach is super, super important in the kind of policy. So Gondar, we speak about the monitoring. It's important of course to monitor if action plan are implemented also or because you can have little details. For instance, the subsidy for organic farming which is really in Senegal, it was highly expected and the government decided to subsidize organic farming but the question behind it it can be transformational if the production is at national or local level. The tempo were farmers but if you buy this input from outside, from global company, it will be favorable for environment but the transformative part will be limited. Also by the scale, in my role at FFO I wanted to address a few things. So it's inherent to the national policy. National policy needs to be connected and reinforced at sub-regional and regional level. So Tanzania is working on ecological organic agriculture promoted by African Union which is really, really important to connect to this but for instance in other region in West Africa there is an important factor supporting the transformation is like a agroecological program from ECOWAS so economic community of West African states. So there is a program supported by European Union and the French Development Agency and in Senegal, Mali, Burkina, Togo, Ivory Coast that can boost the activities. In Europe, for instance, also we have a comprehensive and transformative farm-to-fork strategy we play an important role. And after the local level I want to speak about the local level because in the Scaling-Up initiative we had two flagship activities in Senegal and India in Andhra Pradesh. And it needs to be, it's really important that initiative are grounded. Why? Because it guarantees that you will be better over time. It allows co-creation of innovating and holistic solution at territorial level. And also it can be a buffer, is a government change. If there is decentralization on the field it can also keep the momentum on the ground. So this is also I think the different scale to address. And the last thing about this is the need for evidence. So we spoke about the TAP tool, the tool for agriculture performance evaluation developed by FAO. We start by, we collect evidence, it's 50 countries. And I think it's really important to have evidence to demonstrate the effectiveness of agricultural approaches for to build a political consensus first but also to make the case for agriculture. So this is an important tool that can be useful and deployed in different country. And finally, yeah, I would want to quote a few but I won't go deep inside of it. To a few process I can support. I mean the CFS, the Committee of Food Security Policy Recommendation that are being tested under the TPP Agroecology, the Transformative Partnership Platform Agroecology which can be really useful in this process. And I wanted to finish also with a process on family farming, public policies. It's a decade of family farming and maybe sometimes they are parallel processes because building a public policy on farming, targeting small order may have many communities with Agroecology public policies but we are not making so many bridges. So this can also can be an important aspect. Okay, I think that's it. And so we have a little longer. Thank you Remy to also highlight the need for better bridges between different policy areas. So now we have about 25 minutes for your question from your audience. And I will turn to my colleague John for the first series of maybe two, three questions. In the meantime, you can still post your question in the Q&A chat. Right, thank you very much Charlotte. Yes, there's a lot of activity in the chat in the question and answer section in the chat. So just really great. There are three questions right now. Once, what is the role of youth and gender women groups in the development and implementation of these strategies? If some of the country representatives can provide some insights. Second, what are the resources that are lacking? Is it financial resources? Is it technological resources? Is it capacity? Third, some of the questions are highlighting that there may be challenges in implementation because policies may be contradicting each other. So how to ensure that there is coherence between these policies at the different end within the different national frameworks in each of the countries that are here present. Great, who would like to take on some of those questions from our panelists. I can take the question on the, what is the role of youth and women involved in this process? I mentioned in Kenya, we included youth and women groups in the county consultation forum. One of the principles of agroecology is on social inclusion and offering this opportunity to women and you to share their insight and recommendations to the strategy was key. And seeing youth appreciating the role that they can play in the implementation of the strategy and the role that women have in agriculture and seeing integrated in the agroecology practices. So it's more of inclusion of all genders, including the youth, women, men in the formulation of the agroecology strategy. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Maybe I'm gonna call Alex to give his take on the question on challenges of implementation and the fact that sometimes you have many contradicting policies in a given country. Yeah, thank you very much, Charlotte. Yeah, that is indeed true. And the challenges of implementation stem from the policy formulation process. If in a given country, we don't have a coordinating body to harmonize the various policies and policy frameworks, then there will be a problem in implementation. In Uganda, we have the cabinet secretariat and at cabinet secretariat, if it is a full legislative policy because we have policies and we have a strategy. Policies reach cabinet level and they are approved by cabinet. Strategies may not go up to cabinet. They may be independent policy frameworks, but they are not independent policies that attract even government resource allocation. But strategies, yes, they will also need government resource allocation, but the strategies may not reach cabinet and may not attract cabinet approval. So there is a need for policy harmonization. There is a need for policy harmonization during the policy formulation process. The other issue or challenge is on funding, on funding and attracting funding and resources and resource mobilization. That one stifles implementation. But coming back to my first reasoning, where if the policy has not been approved by the highest levels of government, then you are going to miss out on political will and mobilization, mobilization of resources and mobilization of other stakeholders to take part in implementation of the policy. That will be the consequence. If the highest level of governance is not involved, that will be the impact or the consequence. Now, I want also on my own, actually to put in my own observation, and it goes to question maybe number three. We want to request that at REX, a regional economic commuter level, we need a coordination mechanism to bring the various countries together, aware that various countries at different levels of policy formulation. Now, great ecology, some at strategy level, others at policy level. For us, we say that organic agriculture policy and the great ecology are talking to something related to similar thing, sustainability, sustainable food systems. So for us, we have just an issue of harmonizing the terminologies and the concepts. Different countries at different levels of this policy formulation. So we need a coordinating mechanism to bring all the REX, all the partner states, for example, in East Africa, bring all the partner states to some kind of the same level. We may not be absolutely at the same level of maybe policy formulation, but at least of harmonization, we can afford it to do that. And then interpretation and application of the various terminologies. And I'm requesting at biovision level, at FAO level, let us maybe sit and come up with a mechanism to harmonize the comprehension, the understanding and applicability of these various terminologies because we shall end up being confused. And that people we want to buy into some of these terminologies may get lost. And especially our politicians, they may also get lost because today we are coming up with organic agriculture. Tomorrow, ecological organic agriculture, for example, at African Union level. Then the other day, we have a great ecology. Then another day, we have regenerative agriculture. These terminologies here are going to confuse that people would buy into what we are saying. Thank you very much. Thank you, Alex. And I think this call to focus on the regional level is quite clear and to maybe agree on a single approach or it's a single terminology. Janet, would you like to react to some of those questions or what was said earlier? Thank you, Charlotte. I was looking through the questions and it's quite a bit. So when I was giving my input was a big rain here in Morogoro after almost four weeks without any rain, we finally have the rain back. Yes, so I see also some questions on monitoring. As I say, this is something that we have to put in place and to proactively follow to make sure that we are really implementing that it's really the strategy is being implemented that also the government is financially putting in resources for implementation of the strategy. And so in the end also we can hold ourselves accountable also our government and ministry of agriculture accountable on the progress and status of implementation of this strategy. And yes, there are questions also to do with the agroecology transformation and more agroecology practiced by farmers vis-a-vis conventional agriculture chemical inputs and hybrid seeds and all that. And also some of the subsidy programs. Indeed, I often say we don't see this as a competition really because with experience we have seen and observed the potential and the power of agroecology to sustain farmers and the farmers livelihoods especially in challenging times like what we're experiencing in the eastern part of Africa with the heat waves with the climate change and prolonged droughts but also extreme rainfall and rampant rainfall at different times. So we see that with farmers who practice agroecology and who do soil water conservation who do mounting and add compost or permeate manure in the soil that helps to improve the water holding capacity of the soil and preserve soil moisture. These farmers are better off. So for farmers like this, they have seen they have experienced. And so they become well aware about what is possible and what really works for them. So also they're able to speak for themselves and speak for what is right. And without having to compete or to be convinced or for somebody to use a lot of effort and a lot of work. So that knowledge of agroecology and its practice is the power. And this really far out competes any other forces that really come or try to come into the picture. I think I will contribute that and let also the floor for some of the other participants. But also there was the thing on gender and inclusion. And so first with the principles but also elements of agroecology with inclusion and also care in Tanzania. I think if we are to make like a statistical analysis of the engagements and consultations you will see at least a reasonable participation of both men and women in the processes of putting together the strategy but also in the consultations. And also, yes, inclusion of the different groups. Also the young people, some elderly people but also special needs groups are very vital because the organizations which were consulted and which were part of this process they work with these different groups in the community. And so that engagement and involvement of the different groups was considered always part and parcel of the strategy development. Though I have to say honestly, there is no dedicated budget or dedicated plan or programs that these are for maybe for youth or these are for special needs group. And if we have to be transformative gender-wise but also with inclusion then we can maybe say we have also budgets and targeted activities for the different groups of people. So we make sure that they are really impacted and they're really reached during implementation of the strategy. Thank you. Thank you, Jeanette. And most often it's in the details that lies with those concrete policy mechanisms on how really they are designed and implemented. I think we have many more questions. Joan, or Hans? Yes, we have lots of questions. Thank you to the audience. Please keep your questions coming in. We have a specific question to Rémi. There's a request to the FAO if they can support the monitoring of the Tanzania national ecological organic agriculture strategy using the tape tool and provide feedback to the government and stakeholders for improving the implementation of the strategy. We have a question to all the panelists asking if they could share insights into the monitoring and evaluation measures that these national agroecology strategies provide for. And we have another question to the whole, how do we strengthen farmer participation in the process of developing national agroecology strategies? And how can we demand for public budgetary allocations to support agroecology strategies and plans, keeping in mind that most countries still are yet to meet the 10% public funding of agriculture? Rémi, four questions. Maybe, Rémi, you can start. Yeah, I can start with a question from Tanzania. So yes, of course, it will be delighted to support the monitoring evaluation of the strategy. Indeed, the tool for agroecology performance evaluation is measuring two things. First, the level of transition of agroecology using the 10 elements of agroecology. We have the same aspects as a certain principle, just not to add confusion. But we have 37 indices that we are measuring to decide a level, to find a level of transition at farm level, also level and territorial levels. And the second thing we are doing, we are making a link between this transition of agroecology and what is really important is the multidimensional performance of agroecology. So link to the sustainable development goals. So the idea is to have evidence on agroecology. But also this tool can be used for monitoring evaluation of a program, of a project, and a national strategy. Also, that's what we are doing now. So far, it was at project level. And now we are working with the European Commission to have a new version with indicators that will be more adapted at national level and to assess this kind of strategy. So we are working on this. And we will have pilot country to develop this tool that can do this assessment. So Tanzania could be one of these countries. I would be really happy to work with Tanzania. So this is my, I think I had only one question, right? Thank you, Remy. Maybe let's move on to Paul. You would like to react to some of this question, Paul. Yeah, just there's a lot of wise things have been said. But just as a supplement to the last questions there, I think in terms of monitoring, tools have been addressed. But I think the stakeholder platform needs to be there. The setup for that, for continuous involvement of stakeholders in the monitoring. And I'm a big believer in simple processes for that where all of the interventions are there and they're listed up and there's a status with regularly revisiting them. Is it red? Is it yellow? Is it green? Does it need to be adjusted? Does it need to be dropped? Then you get a much more agile process that's really rooted in the context and in the organization. So that's one element. And on the question of budgets, I think it's sort of the same response in terms of another question I saw in there about how to get national strategies on the agenda. And I think it's about gathering intelligence about what's in the pipeline. So there are a lot of platforms, what I would call ships that new organic and agricultural policy can sail in on, like the national climate strategies, the national biodiversity strategies, some of these agriculture strategies, food security strategies. So knowing what's in the pipeline, you can build on agroecological policy or even a request for a national agroecological strategy into some of those larger platforms that also have budgets. And you can work for allocations within those efforts. Thank you, Paul. Also would like to invite also participants that are in person with us. They are welcome to also ask their question. But let's take Alex's take on those questions. Thank you very much. I just wish to maybe add something on what Paul said with regard to the budgetary support. To me, if we involve the capable relevant people in the formulation of these strategies or policy frameworks, including the agroecology strategy, I think that will go a long way in attracting funding. For example, we are at the planning stage. We are at the verge of developing our fourth national development plan. So it will depend on how active we are in involving and attracting the planners to accept our agroecology strategy. So that is one of the processes or the avenues through which we can get funding support onto agroecology implementation, strategy implementation. Thank you. Thank you. I think that's a strong message to really align your strategy to other plans that may be more effective to attract funding. I'm just checking from our panelists if there are other contribution on this question. Maybe John, do we have other questions? We do have some more questions. There is a lot of questions and I'm afraid that we're not gonna be able to cover all of those. Perhaps one important question is, what is the role of subnational governments in implementation of national ecology strategies? And how can these strategies address participation barriers for marginal groups or groups that have traditionally not been represented or benefited by policy developments? Thank you. Maybe I will turn to Mary. In Kenya, we have this strong role from countries who also are moving towards developing subnational policy. Can you tell us a bit about that? Yeah, thank you. To start with, agriculture in Kenya is devolved or is a devolved function and therefore the country government, they have a big role in terms of implementing the key strategies or activities in the national ecology strategy. And just to mention that it is our expectation that after the launch of the strategy that counties will customize the national strategy in their counties based on the year context. But also to mention that agroecology has gained momentum in Kenya. We have counties that already have policy and an app, for instance, in Murang County. We have the Rakanidhi Meru, Higa, who have already drafted an agroecology policies and Kiambu, which are very advanced. And currently we have other counties like Kaka-Mega and they are keeping it in a kickoff meeting. So I can say this is a process that has already kicked off in terms of customizing the agroecology in the context of county and they'll take up their role in the implementation. Thank you, Mary. I'm just checking if we have questions from our in-person participants. Great. Anyone in the panel would like to take the question of career to participation we touched upon a bit this topic already, but I think it's still an important one. The question is what interventions those strategies outline to overcome barriers for participation and inclusivity? So concretely in the current interventions you have in your NAS draft, are there particular interventions that are focusing on participation and inclusion of specific groups? Alexis, sorry, I cannot see you well. No, you cannot. Unfortunately, I think I have a network problem. But I think for us in the intervention in number four, we said what we're working towards in essence social equity inclusion and participate in governance in the food systems. Here we're trying to open up all groups, stakeholder groups in the food systems to participate in activities of land rights, food rights, and land ownership. So by so doing, we think that we are opening up. We are opening up to all stakeholders to get involved in the food systems governance. That's what I can share. Thank you. Sorry, thank you. Alex, Mary, back to you. Yeah, one of the strategic objectives of the Tenure National Agroecology Strategy is on social equity inclusion and participatory governance in our food system. And the main strategic approach is to facilitate access and control to productive resources by women, youth, the vulnerable group, as well as the imaginary groups and indigenous community. These in the aspect of securing access to productive resources as well as scaling up in conventions which would allow women as well as men to better combine their reproductive and productive work. And also in terms of technologies that would meet the needs of women and men. And also in terms of the financial products and these in development and scaling up financial products that will meet the needs of both men, women, and youth within the community. Thank you. Thank you. So maybe let's do a final round for all our panelists in one sentence. One sentence only. What is your key takeaway from this summary brief and from this last process you are driving or observing? Who would like to share their main takeaway from this? Janet, would you like to stop? Okay, yes. Thank you. Well, for me, my takeaway first, I'm very happy with the lighthouses term. And when I saw lighthouses, I had to look into what lighthouses means and when I saw the definition, I thought, wow, it is true. And national agriculture strategies are lighthouses. They're paving the way, they're showing the path. And this will be like the guiding, the guides for the agroecology movement. So also for me in this session, of course, I was part of the session in Nairobi where we also had people, stakeholders and representatives of organizations from other parts of the continent. And this coming together, sharing, exchanging and of course the summary that was put in place after this session. And the countries were at different levels. So we have countries where the strategies are in place and launched. We have countries where also nothing has started yet. I don't know for the different audience I was looking, we have more than 200 participants or 200 people in this session. So from the different countries we are coming from, what is the status? And also, of course, we'll be happy to share the exchange and to cross land as different countries also go up and put up strategies. But most important is the implementation of these strategies to really have the meaningful, good things written on the paper to actualize them and get them into reality and practice, which will be really, really, really great. So I look forward to working together to collaborating, to spearheading and to really transform our food systems, not just in Tanzania, but also not just in Tanzania or in the region, but globally by taking small steps and of course supporting, the supporting strategy development and implementation. Thank you. Thank you, Jeanette. This was a very nice session. Alex, would you like to share your main takeaway? Yeah, my takeaway is this. Thank you very much, Charlotte. I want to observe that agroecology, embracing agroecology is the only major pathway to sharing our communities, our populations into resilient coping mechanisms to climate change and to sustainable food systems transformation. Thank you very much for this event and other subsequent events. Thank you. Thank you very much, Alex. Mary, would you like to share your main message? Yeah. Our goal of all of us is to see a change in the current food system. And one of the pathways having an enabling environment, a legal environment. And so have the national agroecology strategy as one of the pathways. However, unless these strategies are implemented, we're not going to realize this change. And for me, I look forward to seeing the implementation of the strategies. And in Kenya, seeing the county government taking up the role as well as the national government or the actors taking up the role in implementation of the strategy to realize the change. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Thank you. And Remy, what is your key takeaway? Thank you. I will be simple. So for me, I consider that we have a momentum for agroecology now that many resources are already here in most countries. And I mean, human resources, especially, were really, really important and motivation. So I believe that NAS can, with the methodical support they provide, the participatory method they use, is a really inspiring approach that can catalyze this process that could be developed in many regions in the world. And maybe I'm going to share my own personal takeaway from this outcome brief, which is quite linked to actionability of intervention and to prioritization. Better, 10 clear interventions than a hundred good intentions. And it means that a national agroecology strategy doesn't need to have hundreds of interventions, but rather to focus on that good actionable and very clear and very, very well thought interventions that can be implemented quite quickly and where actors can focus on. So we're almost reaching the end of our event. Beyond Eastern and Southern Africa, we already heard that some other regions, some other subnational governments are also developing agroecological strategies. It's important to acknowledge those. And also important are broader international efforts to catalyze coordinated actions for supporting agroecology. This is why I'm very glad to welcome Oliver Oliveros. He's the coordinator of the Agroecology Coalition for some concluding remarks. And the coalition brings together countries and actors from all over the world to create a more coordinated movement. Oliver, you have the floor. Thank you Charlotte. Thanks everyone. For far too long, we have waited for agroecology to gain global recognition of its transformative potential. And the very fact that agroecology is now being enshrined in national policies by governments represented today is a testament that the time has come for agroecology, as Remy has said. We've heard it from various interventions today in Uganda. We've heard how national agricultural strategies frame around addressing the diminishing biodiversity and natural resources degradation, reversing natural resources degradation through sustainable transformation of food systems, linking it to nutrition, the healthy diets, issues like social inclusion and innovation dimensions. In Kenya, we've heard how the drafting of national agroecology strategies has undergone an extensive consultation process with various stakeholders, including women and youth from the 47 countries across counties across Kenya, as mandated by a legally existing framework, the national constitution and its devolution framework. So we have heard how these stakeholders are appreciating as well the challenges of agroecology and the need to address them. In Tanzania, it's Neonaz, which is two years in the making, I heard. And how they are trying to really address the representation challenges of making sure that they are able to cover the different agroecological zones in the country. Counting on the expertise of those who are able to support and sometimes asking for help means, you know, really, really key. And counting on people who are able to do those things pro bono is a really, really important asset and an asset and resource that we should really take advantage of. So they are being mindful of the challenges to implement it and the future to assess it over time. We also have seen across these cases how participatory and multi stakeholder processes is just as important as the final product. We saw in these examples how the agroecological principles and elements of co-creation and synergy are at play. It's not always easy. We've heard the challenges and I mentioned as it is a matter of finding common ground and each stakeholder group being able to see themselves in the final product. But I think it's all worth the blood, sweat and tears that you all put forward into it going through that process because the result is a greater buy-in and greater accountability. We also see the excitement and interest around agroecology at various scales. From these lighthouse examples, we saw how local context matters, reflective of how agroecology is site-specific as it factors local biophysical and ecological conditions and local social-cultural context. These examples provide helpful insights of how other contexts, regions, countries can take place and be mindful of different specificities across different contexts. And as I've said globally, there is a political momentum. I'm joining you today from the Seventh World Rural Forum in an effort to indeed build bridges. We need to continuously elevate conversations, awareness and I think commitment towards agroecology in various policy arenas to realize its potential. In July this year, the high-level political forum will meet in New York to review progress made or lack thereof in terms of achieving SDG-1 on ending poverty, on SDG-2 on ending hunger and other related SDGs. In September this year, the UN will have its summit of the future, bringing world leaders together to forge a new international consensus on how we deliver a better present and safeguard the future. Also this year, we will see the conference of parties of the three Rio Conventions. It's an occasion to really underscore how agroecology is crucial in fostering synergies between these Rio Conventions and their respective tools, land degradation, neutrality, national biodiversity strategies and action plans and nationally determined contributions. All these obviously have implications, a country-level policy-making and implementation. It's thus important and inspiring to witness today and hear the lessons learned in developing these national agroecology strategies in East African countries. One of the missions of the Agroecology Coalition is to ensure sharing best practices among countries and regions. We are really keen on taking these learnings to other regions to feed existing agroecology policy or strategy processes or support development of these new initiatives. And Remy mentioned earlier around evidence. These national agroecology strategies form part of the evidence that agroecology works and that agroecology is gaining political support and recognition in the countries and communities where it matters the most. But of course, having policies is one thing. Implementing them is another. That's what we've heard from the second part of the conversation. We have heard from Uganda some of the implementation challenges, which are linked to resource allocation, funding, policy harmonization and coherence, as well as coordination across agencies and stakeholders. This underscores the role of oversight government agencies, national planning agencies, those involved in the ministries of budget and finance, etc., which need to be brought into the conversation because these are the institutions that hold the key to national coffers, right? Monitoring and evaluation of agroecology strategies. There are tools such as tape that are available that can be used and looking at other multi-dimensional performance of agroecology. Equally important is the element of learning. I think when we talk about monitoring and evaluation, learning is key. Making sure that such assessments can bring knowledge and things that can be improved along the way using existing mechanisms, processes that are multi-stakeholder in nature. So we really look forward to having conversations in the near future in terms of lessons learned in implementing these national strategies. The moment indeed for agroecology has arrived. We are living it, and we make the most out of it is our challenge. And I think it's our collective responsibility to make sure that you are moving in the right direction and that we are learning as we go along the way. That's Antisana. Thank you very much, Charlie, especially thank you for connecting the dots between our various discussion and various topics today and with a broader international agenda. Just I would like to reiterate that the coalition is a great network to join forces to accelerate an agroecological transition, and you can check their website if you're interested to join their various working groups and in particular one on policy if this is a topic that you are really interested in. So just a big thank you to all of you for your participation. A big thank you to our speakers. We are really interested to keeping the conversation flowing on this topic as new development arrives and continues. So we hope to see you again. Do not hesitate to stay in touch. You can subscribe to our newsletters to get information and activities and news around agroecological food system transformation. Just simply have a great day and thank you very much. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Bye.