 So, Rivka, today on Talk to Us, we are asking people ahead of the anniversary of the September 11th terrorist attacks on the United States that's tomorrow, we're asking people how do you think we can prevent terrorism in the future? What's the best way, you know, in any country, obviously Indonesia has had terrorist attacks and what do you think is the best way to prevent terrorism? Well, for me, it's a different case in Indonesia, right, because as you know, Indonesia is a long, it's not a long story, but it has a special story about terrorism, you know, in Indonesia. For me, as learning from my country, it's very, it's the best approach, I think it's the best approach is from education, because most of the terrorism network, they usually recruit the young people, who are usually poor and undereducated, and they recruit them and they make promises for wealth and a better living by becoming one of the members. So for me, education is the best approach, especially for young people. And so if they're promising a better way of living, in addition to education, and I'd like to know what kind of education you think, it also sounds like young people might need more jobs, for example. Yes, exactly. So for me, like, education, as far as I know, maybe the best, like, formal education is schools. Schools should teach them how to, you know, make a better life, like giving moral, like, life lessons, and how to be, I don't understand, like, how to be a good person, but giving them what should we say, like, something they can carry in their life, something they can also do, something without, to leave without being, you know, to involve in any extreme actions. I believe that terrorism started as a revenge, as there were military operations over there and a number of other issues. And I feel sorry for them because I feel I am involved in such kind of issues as I'm one of the Pakistani who is supporting army. And army is there fighting against militants. In fact, militants want some, something improvement in their area or Islamic society is there or whatever their requirements are, we need to discuss them. So when you say you feel like terrorism is revenge, revenge carried out by which side? The militants? Yeah, I believe the, by the militants. Why, if we can get to the root of why you think they are carrying out the revenge, how would you prevent that revenge from taking place at all? Well, as you said, revenge is always a reaction. First you have to stop action for that. What do you think they're reacting to? Well, I believe that it is because of military involvement in the FATA and all the border areas where our military is operating currently. Plus, as we were supporting U.S. in Afghanistan, that was the major issue. And so if you were to look back on how the events have been folded after the U.S. invaded Pakistan, excuse me, Afghanistan, and then militants started using Pakistan as a base to attack Afghanistan, and then the Pakistani army started fighting against the militants, what would you suggest as an alternative to the current conflict that's happening in your country, on both the military side and the militants side? Well, we need to clarify that as we see that militants on their side, they think that they are fighting for Pakistan. And military, of course, is fighting for Pakistan as well. So why are they killing each other? If they both are fighting for Pakistan, for the peoples of Pakistan, they need to sit together, they need to talk to each other, that what is the solution? So then what do you think is the solution in terms of how do you get the two sides to come together or to realize that perhaps they share common ground as you just described? Well, I see that the basic roots were again in Afghanistan as army was supporting USA over there, and as we Muslims consider that USA is against Muslims, and Afghanistan as it was being led by Muslims. So we consider that the Pakistan army shouldn't fight against Afghanis or with the USA over there, and this will be the first thing. But I don't consider that our army will be turning back from the Afghan war as we have led a number of fights there and we are supporting since long. What do you think is the best way to prevent terrorism? Prevent terrorism? The best way to prevent terrorism is we should search all the time, like our government should search all the time. Search all the time? Yeah, search all the time, and we should look like the people in our surroundings if we have doubt. So like as a public, like we should inform them if we have any doubts or any discussion nearby. So you think that the authorities should search for weapons, for example, or plans for terrorism? Yeah, plans. Yeah, people like surrounding people, we have suspicious nature people. Would you encourage more police to be on the streets of the United States, for example? Do you want more cameras? How would the searching take place? Security should be tight, like security everywhere should be tight. Like even though in the streets and so that would be nice. Like if the security is tight, like camera, some people like the government people, you know, not in the police race, like they must be in the usual race. They must be in regular clothes. Regular clothes, yeah. So how long have you lived in the US? Oh, I have been living in the US for three years. And so how do you, how would you compare? I mean, here we are, we're a day before the 12th anniversary of the September 11th attacks on New York and Washington. How would you compare security here to the way it was, let's say, in India? Oh, India, you know, India is, India's security is not good. Security here is good. You know, as a big country, they are more dangerous. Don't you think so? As a big country, more successful country, developed country is more dangerous. So everyone, you know, we know, but India has also a lot of, you know, crisis before that. But I think, I think security is tight and airports and everywhere when we go, there's a lot of security now. What do you think is the best way to prevent terrorism? Okay, I don't get you, because your voice is not clear, if it's possible right in the sky. Sorry. It's okay. We just wrote. Yeah. What is the best way to prevent terrorism? Oh my God, no. We are sure that we are not terrorists because the world, like America, okay, told Iran is terrorist, but Iran is not terrorist. I think that when you want to prevent terrorism, you need to inform the people about this phenomenon. And also, you need to inform them about the reality of our... You need to inform the people about the reality of what? Reality of religions, especially. Religions? And... Why the people, religions?