 Okay, welcome to Asia Pacific Islander Americans Historic Preservation challenges and opportunities. Just before we begin there's a few housekeeping tips. The session is being recorded. Please abide by the conference code of conduct during conference sessions. All participants will be muted during presentations. The chat function is enabled for specific session questions or comments. And for any other help to your questions, check out the FAQ section of the app or use the attendee customer service room, which is accessible via the virtual platform schedule. And finally closed captioning is available and can be accessed by enabling it in your rooms screen setting. So now I'll turn the program over to our panelists. Thank you Diana. Hi everyone. Let me share my screen. Hello. I want to acknowledge that this virtual session is taking place throughout the unsuited territory of the United States, home of nearly 600 tribal nations and co-hosted by the National Trust of Historic Preservation. So as I begin this session, I acknowledge and honor the original habitants of our various regions. Land acknowledgement is a critical step towards working with native and indigenous communities to secure meaningful partnership and inclusion in the stewardship and protection of their cultural resources and homelands. So I invite you to take a moment to honor these ancestral grounds we are collectively gathered upon and support the resilience and strength of all indigenous peoples, as they have shown worldwide. And so my name is Michelle Magalong, and I'm currently presenting from my home in Washington DC, which is on the traditional unsuited territory of the Natouch Tonk, Acostian and Piscataway people. May we stand arm in arm with indigenous communities past present and future. Hi everyone, my name is Michelle Magalong again, I am the president of Asian and Pacific Islander America than historic preservation, as well as a presidential postdoc at the University of Maryland historic preservation program. I welcome everyone today at Pass Forward virtual Pass Forward. And so in this next 15 minutes, we're going to squeeze in a lot of stuff of that's been happening in terms of all things related to Asian and Pacific Islander Americans doing historic preservation work throughout the nation. I'm thrilled to have several of my board members here today presenting on various aspects and elements of preservation work throughout the nation, and the US territories. So first I'm going to do quick overview about API HIP. You'll first, after me you're going to hear from Bill Watanabe, he is our board chair. And then after that we're going to hopefully hear from Joe Kinata calling in from Guam. So thank you to our two of just a handful of folks that met each other in 2007, I believe, in Nashville's at the National Trust conference back then. And they all, you know, the few handful saw each other in the sea of non non, well, basically white attendees and said, you know, we're doing work to where are we. And that inspired them to come together to pull together a national convening in 2010 in San Francisco, every other year since then we've been fortunate to convene our National Asian Pacific Islander Historic Preservation Forum, where, you know, based on that work of what has really brought together our mission and vision as an organization. We are a God our 501 C3 status in 2018, and our focus has been on elevating historic places and cultural resources associated with Asian and Pacific Islander Americans. A lot of this work is based on four prongs of, of our organization, which is community education and awareness representation and advocacy and research. So, in terms of power of community the national forum as I mentioned our first one was in 2010 in San Francisco, followed by, I can remember this in order. Los Angeles Washington DC, Stockton San Francisco again and most recently, we were in Honolulu this year we were very fortunate to have our convening. Thank you in in person convenings of 2020. We had it in late January, early February, where we got to learn about the amazing work happening throughout the island will walk who and other parts of Hawaii, and also in the Pacific region. So as you can see here, a lot of lovely faces enjoying. We're actually standing in front of an I am pay building, which is at the East West Center. Next to the University of Hawaii at Manoa. So we were able to meet with different folks from across the state of Hawaii and learn about the work that they're doing in different forms of preservation work. So this is just a snippet you can actually go on our website and see our program booklet, which can show you all the speakers and all the content that we had covered. In terms of education and awareness we do a lot of public programming and seems like especially these days, including right in May. We hosted with University of Maryland. We hosted one of our first zoom presentations on the epidemic of hate as we were dealing with issues of, you know, COVID-19 and anti Asian racism, and how that's tied to a long history of racism, exclusion and public health discrimination in our communities. And then. Yeah, I'm on a conference zoom call right now. I know. Can you, can you mute things. And so our next element is the power of representation. So we're going to go to our East at Main Street mapping project on history pen. And you can see here are we had a summer intern from University of Maryland Karen. She focused on Baltimore's Chinatown in her research as part of ongoing work that we are doing here at University of Maryland on Asian Americans in Maryland with the Maryland Historical Trust. And then you can see she pulled a collection of sites associated with Chinese American heritage in Baltimore. And then the last part of our work is through advocacy and research. And so in this year, you can check out. There's an article on the preservation and social inclusion edited volume from Columbia University, which looks at community participation with a case study of API hip. So in terms of advocacy. We press release was just sent out last week on the Japanese American Confinement Education Act. It's a continuation of the Japanese American Confinement sites grant through the National Park Service. And so we are an endorsing organization for that federal legislation and and look forward to working with our members of Congress and our community partners on on what this act will include. And then also another part, especially in this year. Not only are we dealing with COVID-19 but we're also dealing with anti black and anti black indigenous people of color racism. And so another element that we've really strengthened this year, in terms of outwardly is our solidarity work, including the role of us with API hip co author a letter to the National Council for preservation education on on on their statement on racial diversity in preservation education. A lot of this work this year really strengthened the ongoing work we've been doing with our partners, including like let's see knows and heritage conservation if you just were on there last hour, and other organizations like rainbow heritage and so I wanted to just give a quick overview of all the different kinds of things we've been doing just in this year. So from virtual programming to solidarity statements to internships. We have a few things to celebrate and you could actually put it in the chat if you know of a site that is either has just been added to a register national state or local register. Or if you know one that is in the queue, being reviewed. Please share it as well. And then if there's other campaigns to that we're supporting. I'm Carla bug guy way street naming in the city of Berkeley earlier this throughout the summer. And we are excited to support the Harada house, which is now listed on the 11 most endangered list with the trust. And as again as I mentioned, we are looking forward to visiting our members of Congress on in regards to the Japanese American Education Act. So a lot of stuff we've done. And I want to now going to pass it over to some of my board members who are going to talk about some of the amazing work they've been doing on the ground. And so, let's see, we have, I'm just, I'm queuing them up. You'll hear from bill at the name Joe key nada, Karen Kai, and Rosalyn is actually after Karen, Rosalyn cigar and then Tedge fall by anyone. And then at the end, I'm going to invite folks if you have questions, we may try to answer them as best as possible live. We will document the questions and then also, if there are places you would like for us to help elevate, or you need help on, please share it in the chat as well. So without further ado, I'm going to pass this on I'm going to have bill speak. Next. Thank you Michelle. Hi, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Bill Watanabe. I, I'm the founder of the little Tokyo Historical Society. But today I'm going to be wearing a different hat. We have a brand new project called a little Tokyo Community Impact Fund. Tokyo is a 135 year old ethnic neighborhood in downtown Los Angeles, where only two blocks east of city hall. And it is an area that has been greatly impacted by gentrification. So several decades ago, it was a low income somewhat run down neighborhood but lately it's been redeveloped and a lot of new money coming into to improve it. But this also poses a threat to some of the existing buildings and stories and the culture and the arts of the community. We're facing quite a bit of threat from gentrification. There will be a metro subway opening up in two more years in little Tokyo which will greatly add to gentrification and change. There's going to be skyrocketing rents that we suspect will happen land values are going to go up. And this will pose a threat to the heritage, small businesses are small businesses that are part of the cultural community. Some of us were sitting around a couple of years ago talking about what can we do about gentrification. I mean, it's such a powerful force, economic force. And we kind of had this mantra that, well, you know, if you don't own the land, you can't control it. And so the question became, well, how do we own the land. And so we thought, well, what about a community based real estate investment fund. Something like a REIT. However, it would have a dual purpose, a return on investment, but at the same time trying to fulfill a community purpose. We decided that if we could get together and get enough investments, we would be able to actually buy land and then be able to control it and maybe reduce the amount of return to the investors and help subsidize rents for the small business. We kind of shopped this idea around we had a number of community meetings, and we came up with the idea that we'll have two levels of investment. A dollar and up investment level for those with higher net worth and a $1,000 investment level for those who have a lower net worth. We formed a brand new board of directors. We've been meeting since June of this year. We've been gathering investments. Our goal is, if we can raise $2 million, we would be able to buy property in little Tokyo outright wouldn't be a big piece of property but a piece of property. And then we can then make that available for small business. And we would like to try and identify what we call the legacy businesses or heritage businesses. Those have been there for a number of years and who are a part of a historic ethnic neighborhood. Now, this flow chart will show you kind of ideally how we hope to do this. We would like to purchase a piece of property. Right now, our goal as I mentioned was $2 million. We have raised thus far a little over $600,000. And so we are still trying to get up there. We hope we can do it. If we can purchase property number one, we would then get some rental income. We can distribute dividends of return on the investment. Now we've been telling investors, if you invest in a normal real estate investment fund you might get 6%, 8%, 10% who knows. But with this, you'll get less than that, but we'll also be able to serve a purpose and that is to help the small businesses. And so we can then refinance, maybe purchase a second property, same kind of thing, purchase a third property and hopefully grow the fund so that we can try to stem this tide of gentrification. The whole idea is how do we preserve this 135 year old ethnic neighborhood that's been here for generations, and we want to make sure that it's here for future generations as well. So that's the end of my presentation. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer. Thank you, Bill. Next, we have all the way from Guam, Hapa de Joe, Joe Kinada, who we are very thrilled that he is joining, I forget his new title with the National Trust. Do we have Joe? Sorry. Hello, Joe. He may have had Joe and it doesn't seem like he's here anymore. He may just be having some difficult difficulties. Okay, well, hopefully we'll get Joe back. So, we're going to move on to Karen. Sorry about that. Don't mind me. Sorry, you're going to have to get a sneak peek of Joe's presentation. Because next we have Karen Kai from San Francisco. We'll be speaking next. I think you're muted, Karen. Okay, hi everyone. Thanks for having me here. Like Joe, I have this very plain slide of the Historic Preservation Commission's resolution on racial and social equity. And this though is one of the real good pieces of news out of San Francisco. This was issued on in July and July 15. It is, you can't tell from this, but it's 14 pages long. It's packed with history needs assessment action steps. It is really an amazing document. It's not one of these political nice words throw away kinds of things. It's actually a work plan that encapsulates a lot of work that has been developed over the years. It's also very inclusive and pledges to work with community people so that it is not a top down. Here's what's good for you, kind of document. And as someone who's very active in the Japan town community, I like to think that we had a great deal to do with the development of this kind of orientation. I think the planning and historic preservation commissions. I think one of the wonderful things that has happened is we've really been able to develop a working relationship. And I think this is something that is possible if planning departments are open and if communities are open no one really at the start of things wants to go to the planning department. I think one of the advantages is that by building a strong relationship. We've been able to move things along very well. I think the first thing I was involved with was about the year 2000 when redevelopment was sunsetting in Japan town and we needed a community vision to guide what would happen next. We were put into kind of the traditional city planning mode, and we're put into what was called the better neighborhood program. And basically this was the, how do you develop a neighborhood. And things came out of that as well though and one of the most outstanding, and I want to give special credit to I know she's out there Donna graves on this was the, the cultural context, the community context of our Japan town. That was prepared, because this gave us our history, it gave us the playing field of what we are who we are. And it's do it up and it's still in use today, you can find it on the planning department slinks, but the community actually rejected this better neighborhood plan so called, because it didn't have community input, and it was aimed towards, where do we put the big buildings, and instead we entered into a community process, which created a, what's called the J chess Japan town cultural heritage and economic sustainability strategy. And this strategy was designed with great community input, but one of the huge differences was we had some incredibly progressive planners who wanted to see how much we could do to preserve a cultural community through planning, and gave us wonderful tools to work with. And this report led to some real serious thinking on the part of the planning department and historic preservation who in 2012 put out a resolution saying, we want every cultural neighborhood to have this kind of planning this is a good thing for our neighborhoods to have and it is a way to preserve and protect them. And so when we did produce this and started to work with it produced a lot of all sorts of planning tools, the city itself picked it up and in 2018 created a cultural districts program, and this district is modeled on Japan towns J chess, and includes the soma event a quarter of Bayview African American community, the leather district and the Compton cafeteria transgender district, as well as Japan town. But now with coven 19 we are facing a real crisis in our communities because our small businesses are truly in danger. And small businesses are really the lifeblood of cultural communities. They are ways that we carry on our work. It brings us together, it exposes our culture to others. And like other small business communities in San Francisco, this week has been declared a week of action, because one of our supervisors has legislation that's coming up on November 2 that will extend go beyond the moratoriums on eviction for non payment of rent. It's wonderful to extend the time that people can't be evicted, but they need to have more resources they need more protections. So if you are at all interested in how our community is approaching this, you can go online to a couple of resources that I have placed. Here we go. There is the petition at action network.org slash petition slash save San Francisco small businesses. All of those words have save San Francisco small businesses, I'll have hyphens between them. There's also a Facebook page save SF small businesses. And you can write to the supervisor who is sponsoring the legislation that is up on November 2 in order to give support to saving small businesses as a tool as an important means of preserving cultural communities. His name is Aaron peskin. So his email is Aaron dot peskin his first name is a a r on second name is peskin p s k i n at SF gov dot org, and I hope that next time you hear about San Francisco in the news, it's about how our small business communities were supported by our communities of color, and we save the whole batch because it is important. Thank you. Thanks Karen and if you can. If you can put all those links in and the emails in the chat. That would be great. I will do that right now. Thank you. Thank you. All right, and then I think we were still waiting for Joe to come on. But while we wait for Joe, we're going to move forward with Rosalind Rosalind Sagarra up next and some of you if you were on the Latinx session last hour. We'll recognize her from there. Hi everyone. I'm Rosalind Sagarra and I'm the neighborhood outreach quarter with coordinator with the Los Angeles Conservancy. I also serve on the API hip board along with the fellow presenters today. So I'm going to provide an update on the newest API historic landmark in Los Angeles. This is the Sakai Kozawa residents, also known as Tokyo florist, a 1911 tutor craftsman style home and landscaped grounds in the Silver Lake neighborhood of Los Angeles. The property is significant for its association with the Sakai Kozawa family and their longtime floral business Tokyo florist, which operated at this location from 1960 to 2006. In December of 2008, the property was listed for sale and leaving its future uncertain. This was going to be changing hands from the Sakai Kozawa family to a new owner, new potential owner. In June of 2019, the little Tokyo Historical Society, of which Bill is a member with support from the LA Conservancy nominated the building for local landmark designation. In November of last year, the landmark nomination was approved just before the property sold to the new owner. Next slide. So, the new property owner is intending to adaptively reuse the property. This owner does have experience working with historic properties and has retained a historic preservation consultant, which is great, right. I mean, we would all be really happy about that. Well, there's a little bit more to the story. As part of this year, the owners informed us of some city abatement notices, mostly around rodent control and brush clearance on the property. As you can see, it's very lush. With this abatement, the owners plan to remove all of the unpermitted structures on the property, some of which are pictured on the slide. So in the middle, you will see a greenhouse and the image directly below that is a shade structure, and that area was primarily a work area where floral arrangements were made. Both of these unpermitted structures were built by the Kozawa, the Sakai Kozawa family for the florist business and were documented as character defining features of the property. This is the new owner and our building and safety department. And these structures do not meet code, posed life safety issues, couldn't be legalized and or reconstructed following traditional preservation standards. They also told us that these structures would pose issues with securing permits that they were trying to get to rehabilitate the house. Demolishing these structures, however, would eliminate significant tangible remains of the Sakai Kozawa period of the property, leaving limited opportunities to narrate this history. What do we do? You know, while we recognize that these structures have aged and deteriorated over time, they remain largely intact and hold enough integrity to convey the period of significance. For this reason, we have objected to their removal at this time, as well as any issuance of a certificate of occupancy until the owner provides plans to preserve, and if not possible, interpret or reconstruct the unpermitted structures as part of the new project. So just a bit on the new project there, there hasn't yet been a new project that's submitted. So this is all happening prior to that. This summer, the Conservancy and the Little Tokyo Historical Society joined a newly formed subcommittee initiated by our city's Cultural Heritage Commission to continue discussions with the owner on this matter. And we have met and we're looking forward to continuing our conversations about how the owner can meaningfully honor this important layer of the property's history in any new project in the future. So with that, I'll conclude. Thank you, Rosalyn. Okay, I'm going to check again, Joe. Happy day, Joe. I am here. Yay. Happy day, Joe. Happy day. A warm happy day from the island of Guam and our neighboring Pacific Islands. I'm going to leave everything in five minutes so I don't know how I can do this, the Pacific Islands, and especially here on Guam we are doing so many things. But I wanted to, to impress upon everyone that if you can do the first slide. We believe that that historic preservation is a public responsibility and when we say public responsibility we're talking about, not only ourselves, you know, we also include teachers. We also include health, health, the health community students and doctors and nurses and engineers and everybody else it is our responsibility. We share through education, cooperation, and advocacy and all links to our heritage. You know, it's not just something that we build it's something that is the stories that we tell everything and it's all built into our heritage. And through education, we're able to build our capacity, build the capacity of all our folks, you can click, and these are all the training series training sessions that we were able to to conduct over the years and we share this with all the other Pacific Islanders or whoever can come and join us here on Guam. There's actually much more so if you. Yep. So we have training such as a historic structures reports vernacular architecture. Everything all the way to traditional cultural places so it's, it's, it's quite amazing. What we're doing out here. We not only build our capacity but we also can go to the next slide. We also take care of our youth. And so we, we have these heritage youth summits, we get all of our youth from the different islands come together to share their heritage to share what they do and you know they found out. They're all doing the same thing. We all have the same basic values and what we value the most really is is our environments, our stories and the places that really matter to us. And so, you know, without. There's one thing I really need to highlight and only because the National Trust had started initiated this with the Guam preservation Trust, and with with other partners here on Guam. It means listen to our stories. And so what we did was we took 10 historic sites we invited, we invited language teachers to more language teachers into the sites. They write the narrative in our language. We took musicians. You know, this is all happening during the pandemic. We took musicians because they can't perform at bars or clubs or, or hotels we took them, and they, they came up with, with, with the, they compose a song for each site so if you can go to Pacific preservation. You can be able to listen to all the music 10 songs that are associated to the stories that that are told. Unfortunately, for English speakers, it's not in English it's in tomorrow. For tomorrow speakers, this is a great resource. And so, at this pandemic with with distant learning teachers now are using this site to teach their children. And so, all of this is not possible without the cooperation, whether we call it partnership we call it sponsors, we call them grand tours. This is all in incorporated and with the cooperation of everyone, not only our local, our regional, national, and, and in some projects we also have international organizations that that help us. Click next one. And so that the latest that we've done is is advocating for each of our, our islands and we had just before, before the pandemic, we conducted the World Heritage Opportunity Summit here on the island of Guam, inviting all of our, our US affiliated and also other other non US affiliated islands to come and share with us. World Heritage sites, everything from the nuclear testing sites in the Marshall Islands, all the way to Hawaii, Palau and Ponte so so this sort of gave us, you know the information so that we can be able to advocate for each other. And like, and that's it. So, thank you so much. And, you know, just give us a call on Guam and we can sit down all day and we can talk to you about everything that we're doing. We'd like to invite you to Guam. After everything all this pandemic is done we like to invite you. We'd like to share with you inspire everyone to do just great things in preservation. Thank you. That's in five minutes right. Thank you Joe. And congratulations on becoming the trust. What is the advisory council chair. Yes, I feel quite honored. And then towards the end I guess I've been nominated into the trustee. So, so this is exciting for API API exciting for Guam and the Pacific Islands, because now we have somebody in there that's going to that's going to sort of notch them and push them to look our way. Again, thank you so much. Thank you Joe and I just have to say side note I mentioned Joe and bill met in I think 2007 and Nashville at the trust conference and I went my first one is in Spokane in 2012, where this our API session was at seven in the morning at the hotel coffee shop. So we've gone a long way from, you know, the dozen of us to the 289 that are now logged in. So thank you Joe and bill for your leadership and for API hip and so I'm going to, we're going to close out the speakers with our, I want to say our youngest member, but we are proud to have Tedge Paul by a new one join us today. And he's going to be talking about some great work. He has been doing. Yes. Hi, thank you, so. Yeah, so I mean, as a rookie historian I'm not sure how I can follow Joe Roslyn Karen and bill but I'll definitely give it a try. I'm going to provide information on a new API landmark in Fresno County. On March 10 of this year, the Fresno County Board of Supervisors unanimously voted to approve sound King go to the water. This is the good or not a sick temple at the county historic landmark. The sick community has been in Fresno County since the early 1920s, and through the efforts of immigrant labor they're eventually able to purchase property there as well. So what you're seeing the photo was originally built in 1922, with only minor renovations to the exterior done over the years. And there has been conversations with the Historical Commission in Fresno County about possibly designate it because the centennial is coming up. But that's another conversation. The structure before it was before I get to when it was a sick temple it was a formula Chinese market city hall bank and several other businesses kind of went through this small town. By the 1980s, nearly 50% of the city was Punjabi sick with the majority of them being laborers and there are also several six city officials in the area. And Guido was actually established in 1983 and because at the time, as I mentioned 50% of the city was Punjabi sick and the closest place of worship was in Stockton, California, which is 120 plus miles and community then felt that they need to get the funds and everyone pitched in it was a community effort some pitched in. Again, you know they're making 250 an hour at the time some even more but some piston $100 dollars, dollars, a dollar some even took out personal loans on their house, and under the names. And this kind of shows the importance of the good lot as an institution. I just now want to kind of talk about the importance of oral history as well because when I was first approached to kind of pursue this project. Back in 2017, I spoke with one of the founding members and who then I had a conversation with several founding members of the good water. When I first approached with an original initial draft of the county landmark application, they wouldn't accept and said it was wasn't even close to being complete because of lack of sources. So I asked, I was asked to continue doing research. And despite spending several months looking through several different archives. I wasn't able to find much resource and much about the history of the actual site in official documents or even in newspapers. And this kind of led the commission to ask if I needed help with this. I kind of took it and initially I took it as you know I'm being I'm a rookie scholar take all the help I can get I really don't know what I'm doing at the end of the day. So I took all the help. But there was something about the way they said it. That made me feel as if, despite being a rookie historian I was incompetent because I didn't know how to do research. But ultimately I accepted their help because at the end of the day the ultimate goal was to designate the site. And after several months of even the commission calling in several favors and asking several local historians across the county, they themselves were also unable to find much documentation beyond beyond the stuff that I was able to find. I believe this kind of just spoke to, you know, unlike the dominant class six and other communities of colors did not have the luxury to document some of their histories, but they would be passed down orally, and not allowing for all histories to be used as credible sources. There is only further marginalizing certain groups, because if the same person who passed down the story orally had written it down, then I question would it have been a better source or what has still been considered not to be credible. So who kind of gives the final stamp of approval as to what is a credible source. And I believe this speaks more to the importance of further diversifying the field and reconsidering some of the criteria is currently in place. Well, like I mentioned, after several back and forth with the commission, they eventually unanimously voted for it to be designated and even express interest of possibly getting it as a centennial landmark in 2022. All of that is for the research that needs to be done. But once it was approved in March, you know, despite the rich history of six in California, it's only the third sick American landmark in California. So without being the first sick American settlement, it is a California historical landmark but the other ones are only designated at the local level. So this is just kind of furthering that diversification in the field and hopefully we can continue the work and I am working on several other smaller projects. So if you do have any further questions or comments about it, feel free to reach out to me at my, and my emails on the slide as well as T bane 001 at UCR.edu. Thank you, touch, Paul. And I think we all are rookie historians. Or at one point we have been or, you know, still consider ourselves rookie historians, I being trained in urban planning. So I can never claim I'm a historian either. But that's what makes historic preservation in our communities. So dynamic is that we, we all approach it in different ways, right. And that we try to share our tools and resources as best we can. And I think we've seen in some of these presentations today the power of story, particularly given structural forces that, you know, don't prioritize documenting our places, much less our stories. So, thank you, touch, Paul. So, I want to, yes, more urban planning and reading the comments are going through. Yes, more urban planners need to have backgrounds in history. That is, that is very important. And so I, I mean, that's just I'm going to back that statement. So we have a question here from Caroline Chen. Hi Caroline. What is the number one challenge to Asian American historic preservation visibility. Anyone want to tackle that big question. I think, can I, you know, I think the number one challenge really that we face through really is, is, is, is ourselves. We need to start with ourselves. We need to start with, with knowing who we are as a people, and how we connect to the rest of the world. That's the only time we're going to be visible. We can hide behind loss, we can hide behind structures we can hide behind our elders anymore, we are now taking over. We are now the elders, our elders, most of us have gone, most of the elders have gone. So it's now up to us as leaders. And it all starts with yourself, because if, if, and, and, and how you look at your own history. So if you don't, and I got this from, from Stockton, if you don't know your history, then you don't know yourself. We love the reference to Stockton, I'm sorry, I was happy. I still have that t-shirt. Right. And we were actually, and this is all in reference to many, to those of us who actually got to go to Stockton in 2016 for our national forum and when our planning committee and pitched it to everyone like come to Stockton in 2016, people were like, why do you want us to go? But during and after those who were fortunate to attend were like we love Stockton. And we still love Stockton. And so I actually, we have a minute left, I believe, and Judy Lee is actually, she is plugging her out of house. But I want to do one more plug in other news and what I looked out for. I think there was also in the chat. The Japanese YWCA in San Francisco is going up for local review. It's already on the national register and on the state register it's going up for San Francisco landmark review later on in a few weeks in November. I also want to plug, speaking of Stockton, we have October is Filipino American History Month and so on this Friday, you could actually cover your phone over the QR code to RSVP to get the zoom link. We have telling our histories and community in place and we're featuring several historic places for Filipino American History Month, including Stockton. And we actually have our US Representative TJ Cox from California and our California assembly member Rob Bonta joining us. And so I know that we are out of time. And so I want to One last word, what are you guys looking forward to in terms of historic preservation and API's post COVID. One word for each of my speakers. Or phrase. Take care of yourselves. Be well. I'm looking forward to getting together with people in large, large groups. Yeah, I'd say being in touch with our people in our places. Sorry, I just want to echo everything that everyone's saying but also learning from what learning from this experience learning that you know virtual tours are possible now because of COVID or other pandemics. People can now visit Stockton without visiting Stockton so seeing how we can use COVID and use the experiences to kind of expand education in the preservation field. I would say that trying to preserve a historic neighborhood is tough enough before there was such a thing as a pandemic. So I just hope we can all survive and survive well. Thank you to the speakers and for me it's really this is a moment. They say a moment of reckoning, which I believe, but I think it's also a moment where we can really dig deep and talk about our own solidarity work that we do within our communities and across. And in particular, it's a moment of innovation, right, like, we have the biggest turnout in our session today, since 2007. And so, you know, innovation and relevancy are the things that I'm looking forward to that we will now have in our back pockets as preservationists. And so, many thanks for everyone jumping in to the session. Join our list serve. If you go to API hip.org you can also follow us on Facebook. If you have any questions you're going to email me I forgot to put my email Michelle and my CLE at API hip.org. So thank you everyone and I look forward to seeing everyone in person again, drinking bad coffee and grabbing conference pens. So, hopefully next year. Alright, thank you so much. Adios. Bye. Thank you.