 Little game while we wait while we get ready to get started with our New Year's adventures Exciting I'm excited. Why? well, I Mean like to play Halo or for the new year both. I need I need extensive reasoning for both. I Enjoy getting better and better at Halo and that comes with the satisfaction of improving knowing that I'm improving But also I'm ready for the first year of the clown decade. Why is it the clown decade? I mean, it's gonna be the clown decade. How was this not already the clown decade? Yeah, well, this is where it started it really starts, right? But it only started like halfway through maybe I'm sure you had stuff like Gamergate and all the crazy things going on in colleges and the YouTube stuff But like now we're beginning the decade with that. That's our starting point. Mm-hmm It's gonna be great. This is gonna be a tipping point decade for a lot of people. I bet Do you think any good things will happen in the decade? Many good things absolutely many good things will happen this decade and I'm 17 of them Let me see I'm gonna Suck 17 dicks. Hmm. Is that like doctors orders? Yep doctors orders See at that point. What can you do hands are tied? Yeah, hands are tied. Oh, that'd be a good touch. Ah See and you say clown decade. You know, there's a reason I go back to him that guy's looking pretty good now, huh? Yeah, I got big plans big plans Hello chat, how do you do you? E walks? We're live. We are here with our chat. We are exploring I suppose You can I've there's so much on the agenda in terms of yeah, it's a new year We've got 365 days to say goodbye to 365 days to say hello to Yeah, that parts. I guess Yes, that's a part of it. I don't really care about that But yeah, we're gonna get multiple guests in here. We've got a couple of things I want to cover very small things, but we were mainly gunning for just having a chat Yeah I have no idea what's gonna happen when I do this actually I'm gonna do it the safer way Since it starts a new color don't know I Try and add people through my laptop. I don't risk that Is something weird happens? You know, I'm waiting for them to join we go Let's see Hey, yo Doodly doodly Is this our anime e-fap? Yes We're gonna do our our anime e-fap where we talk about Anime those the other cartoons on the previous stream that was like I can't believe more doesn't know to pronounce why food was like I know I saw that too Notice how to pronounce way foo way wait a minute Like whoa, you said it was a joke, but that's like Poe's law, right? Who is Poe and why is it that his laws matter so much? I just like to note that I have leveled up and halo to general, right? But what's interesting is that by a crazy Mathematical coink-a-dink I've reached it by the exact number it takes to level up huh, which was let me double-check because this is I Um, I wish I could look at my own how do I do that career? But fuck the UI in this game is fucking shit. Yeah, really under player ID No, is it under? Season one No, is it under customers eight? Well, just take my word for it I reached the exact number that it took to level up and that was like hundreds of thousands It exactly I have zero points in this current rank That's how accurate I am Can you guys acknowledge the the the New Year's Eve video? tile How cool itself fireworks in it. How cool is that? Oh, I only just saw that This is our party so frame a closure How come you have no life and you're here chase like why aren't you outside partying with all the rest of the film plans? I'm unemployed also You could still why wait wait wait wait if anything that frees up a lot of time for partying No, my girlfriend's visiting that is the party Here. Oh, you sound like you're having a great time. She's just alone in a different room while you're having a no She's she's making me food right now. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the Really funny rags that like the last I don't know week. I've known that the halo event is going on It's like double XP. Come on. You want to get all those upgrades? And I'm like, all right. Hell, yeah, I'm gonna grind I'm gonna climb the ranks really fast and I've just been so busy editing and just haven't because it's like You know when you're behind on like putting out a video and you're just like I can't I can't well Yeah, you wouldn't know but and you're just sitting around like I'd love to play this game But like I really have to be doing work like your conscience won't allow you to play the game and enjoy it. I Haven't played I haven't like chilled out and relax and watch the thing in ages now Mandalorians are close as I got to that and that felt more like homework Yeah, because remember everyone Mandalorian is bad Yeah, I got I found I was looking at Mandalorian stuff in the the theme song popped up by some people They did like a synth wave version of it was pretty good. So email them like hey, I'm gonna make a review of the Mandalorian I didn't tell him that's gonna be a shit and all over it because the Mandalorian just as a reminder is a bad television show But they hope I asked if I could use their stuff. So we'll see fingers crossed. We're gonna see if we can have that It'll be cool. Yeah Damn chase on and Chacha said sigh Chase is here. Oh Chase is here No one wants to hang out with us. He's you know, you know So what's your new years? Resolution Chase you gonna cover this one. It's different now. You've had time to think about it Okay, I haven't thought about it anymore. Oh, what the fuck it's remained exactly static Let me just go in our DMs see where it says you need to have a very good answer for a new year's resolution You fucking why? No, James more pride because of me last night I guarantee you is because he got to a certain point in Buffy and it killed him. That's what it was He's been watching it and he's well into like the good shit now You should watch that chase and chase instead of watching you stupid. Did you just call me fucking Jace? You're like, well, this is the thing when when I realized you haven't seen certain things you start to get infected by Jay See Jay just hasn't seen anything Jay's a handsome man though, so he has that going for him Which Jay I let him know that you feel that way or Yes Maybe he'll show up tonight and you can tell him. Oh Jay. We should have Alcatisms rags. Do you have a beer? I've got some in the fridge right now getting cold. You should we should definitely do I'm gonna have some Malibu Someone in the discord just said I've never seen chase and Jay in the same room. It has happened. Just not in the stream Oh, sure. It's happened. Okay. You were there Hi cat hello, well, I didn't say the cat could be on the show Well, you want me to eject him? Yes. Geez. Okay Isaac. I'm sorry you got Isaac well, yeah, big fan of Dead Space obviously, you know Golden Sun your name. Yeah means I don't care Yeah, is your cat from the Holy Land? I Mean, he's certainly golden like he's holy. I don't know if that means Have you ever played a golden son? Holy like you're gonna have to walk me through that one Well, no, I mean the real idea was if you ever played Golden Sun on the Game Boy Advance Yeah I played the first one and I played The next one lost age, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I played that one Yeah, all right Haven't aged as bad as well as I would have like I think is that where you got is where you first learned about the name Because of the because of the protagonist of the first one character in the second one Yeah, oh chase. I sorry to interrupt. I looked into that the donkey thing I watched Mark's whole video on it. I thought he made some pretty good Points in terms of where where donkey is kind of weak on his criticisms And I think it's more like an examples thing and donkeys just not one for you know, like a how if I'm like There's a bad hitbox. Here's 2,000 examples Donkey will be like there's a bad hitbox. Here's one moving on and it's like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. Exactly And yeah, don't don't he takes him saying the controls are like perfectly fine and then a clip of him saying yeah The controls on that thing doesn't work, but it was pretty obvious because he says I will admit though Yeah, he says I will admit that the vehicle like Rags does this statement seem contradictory to you the controls are perfect I will admit though the vehicle controls are a bit wonky No, I bet them make sense. That is contradictory. Well, they can't be perfect and simultaneously wonky but the the implication by the sentence is that like it's the first half is Staying the way it is outside of this thing Like that saying I will admit like is the implication is that like oh you're saying that it still stands except for this one element Besides he didn't even use the word perfect. I was he said that it was tight. I think I Just watched the video once and I didn't watch it again. It's just interesting that that's what don't he chose to do Because I don't know I haven't tried the controls. I don't really intend to death stranding doesn't entice me That's the fine thing is they turn they turn walking into a minigame. Here we go just standing again everyone ready They into a sort of minigame and Then you get like power skeletons that are like exoskeletons that like either let you run really fast like fucking sonic speed or They let you run with more stability and more balance but Walking should I guess kind of be the easy part. I don't know. I haven't really sat down and done my draft like it's it's all good enough but It definitely just has you like pressing on shoulder buttons and stuff like that to like maintain your balance And if you don't do it within a certain time frame or you start to lose balance as you're approaching a wall Then you will just fall over and lose all of your cargo and some of it will get damaged And sometimes you'll fail a mission as a result. So it's It's not a game forever. You know how you know how you balance in real life And it's so easy. You don't even have to like your brain literally doesn't have to think about it Yeah, but it's like a Conscious mechanic in this. Yeah, that sounds fun the more you're not this video game the less I want to play Well, and see that's interesting thing Mark at one point talks about how people were inaccurate on The last Guardian including donkey because they were complaining about Trico not Being responsive when that was the whole point. I don't Appreciate that defense the idea that you're trying to achieve something Exactly, they're like we're trying to create the The experience that you're dealing with a real pet as in you go Hey dog, you know fetch and the dog looks you like huh And then you go fetch and then you drag the dog over to it and point to it and you come back You know fetch and then it finally does it and you're like, oh, wow What a real life experience like you with a real pet. It is so fucking frustrating Well now they could be annoying in video games, too In the real world well their virtual equivalent is just as shitty like I wanted to love the last Guardian But I spent so much time in that game being like hey Hey I want you to do Doesn't make you love it doesn't that make you get a connection with him Aren't you guys fucking complicated as hell? I just I enjoy reading about it, but I that would be a nightmare to actually try to program it or even like fathom it Well, that's cuz you suck though. Yeah, well, that's why we pay money for our video games That's true Yeah, I don't know I just say though. Do you guys remember the Milo project? Yeah, oh my god, my cat is fucking having autism right now He really wants food or something Thank you, baby but it's Yeah, like project Milo that was such bullshit immediately from the get-go cuz I remember as a kid It was like you see the the trailer and what's his name Peter Molly knew From lion lion head Lionsgate line head. I think yeah Oh my mic settings are all messed up But um he uh He was just like oh look at Claire. She gave Milo the piece of paper She put it over above the TV and he got that paper in real time with the process of an Xbox 360 and Managed to materialize the sketch in the virtual world. This is not acted that is Claire's real response She is genuinely impressed by what Milo has done and as a fucking like 15 year old. I was like no didn't they cancel it like it just didn't go. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah Yeah, remember how the person was good and the others were shit. I Wouldn't know because I don't hate on things rags. I do Wow, it's cathartic if anything else cathodic that doesn't even make sense cathodic Um, can I show you an amusing tweet that's one of the discord linked? You may show me an amazing tweet I will I will put it on the screen as well. So the discussion I believe was it related to me and this the top part of it is person commenting about me in general The fact he makes videos with no bullshit is enough for me Wait, this is about you. Yeah, they know that's why they decide reasons. They don't like me. What is research? Just like yeah, no bullshit think that you're a terrible horrible leftist. He does not like me. Thanks. I'm a leftist Reminder no bullshit thinks that I am a leftist. Are you a centrist conservative? I've Classical liberal I guess. Okay Certainly not a leftist. I Am just a faggot. Yeah, same same. I don't have a And so call me a leftist. I'm like, whoa, I did not subscribe to that label sir. I'm an Ewok I guess I'm like a liberal in the senses is that he just be nice to everyone man I just don't everybody do what they want to do unless they have an opinion I just agree with this second dick. Don't feel bad about it, bro. He cares man. Let's do short I said, did you just say Mola makes videos in OBS? No, he has hates Mola. Mola's never made a video with him And the only thing closest when they watched his sjw moments in it and finish you weren't toward a pot And the guy responded with this obviously I've cut them out just to be My friend Lee doesn't I just thought it was really funny. Well, I'm wrong then I still think he's a bigot. I don't want to argue with you He's a bigot. I still think he's a I don't even know what we're bigoted against Everything nothing all of the thing a bigot just means like I suspect you're not as good of a person as you make yourself out You hate people for the reasons that are unfair. He's like, oh, it's a dog whistle Whatever happened to cat whistles. That's my I Mean if cats ever really needed whistles all you need to go all you need to do is just go and they come right up Like shake a bag of treats, you know dog whistles are necessary because It's uh that one frequency that they have advantage over I was also sent two more this one I thought was amusing Two more more like tumor the best way to describe how I treat Jay politically is with a paraphrase from innuendo studios It doesn't matter if he's a fascist in his heart. His friends the friends He has the content he takes part in is doing a fascism What what video is this on? I don't actually know. I just I was just it's just about Jay and I just find them using those studios I don't know. Um, but I just assumed that like it's in relation to e-fab Because yeah, probably like like either say this dot Jay's content. It's the content is apart We we are a fascism gentlemen and the heart in our hearts. We are fascists Hile hitler. Do we yeah the fashion basically doing Like can you imagine how humorless of a cunt you have to be To watch a stream of a bunch of dudes palin around talking about movies Making like pull it slightly politically incorrect jokes And just you're so uptight that you see that and you go these guys actually fucking hate minorities These are fascists. They hate gays. They want to lock up minorities. They legitimately want holocaust too They want to institute slavery Well, you know, we said the Forced diversity is a bad thing. So we fucked Yeah, I guess we hate abrams wouldn't jg abrams have said fuck you or was that the other way? Oh, yeah, he said jg abrams said um if you hate The last jedi because there's women in it Feel like a sexist. I think I think that covered his quote was exactly pissed everyone off Now there was that one quote I think it was in uh Fucking a red letter media or something like that video where it's like there was just straight up a clip of one of them In a big uh press conference or interview and he was just saying If you are against forced diversity in the new star wars, then fuck you and and someone in audience went They say against forced diversity. Yeah, I don't remember exactly what the wording was But the whole idea is like if you don't like women Or or the minorities then fuck you and then a woman in the audience went Wait, I'm a woman. Yeah, I like that Um, and yeah, then there was another one. This one's a little bit longer. This is the last of my amusing comments for the day Yeah, I'm convinced the only reason mohler made j a member of efap was so they had a token liberal in the group to add Plausible deniability against them being regressive mean spirited fuckwits That's news to me. Um, yeah, I guess I mean if it helps, I'm technically liberal too. I just don't care that much and I don't really like other liberals I don't like You're also our token. I guess then. Yeah, I can I can be your token. That's fine. Sweet It's a damn shame because I too enjoy j's cinema since takedown series and thought he was a genuine down-to-earth guy Then he made his critique of mohler's black panther video and the rest is history Like everything everything was ruined the moment. We spoke to him. Yeah That's the one enjoyed we corrupted j we did he's got the he's got space cancer. It's all over him No escape. Um After the jacks saint, I assume flare up I unsubbed from j but not before leaving a civil and measured comment expressing my disappointment at him for falling in with this crowd God imagine being that much of a I know imagine like wanting to be around people who won't judge you for everything that you just Looking to browbeat you all the time You're just a vessel they can score points with that's all that's all you are to them Yeah And just at every single moment like your career is in jeopardy Like the slightest thing you do is like you have to Wait to hear back from the gallery Regardless mohler fans are using the fact that j joined efap after criticizing him after he unlisted said video To score points for mohler as I saw in the comments of gushin's video first video on mohler um Score points. No, it's just reality. We had someone Be critical they came on we're friends now That's just something that happened. We use it as an example of how these things can end well You know like a fucking adult. Yeah, because a lot of people will be like they don't end well And it's like but they have Ended well And this is that's just one example. We've got several dx guy sausage doom man um snowman gaming Is it uh blizzik was in the comments? I think after we'd responded to him Uh dx I believe Just right I consider that technically a positive outcome Yeah, I guess There is a couple Not just j. Uh one thing i'm sure of is that with the massive egos like mohler and rags have It will be inevitable for the two to turn on each other and when they do it will be cause for celebration That's not gonna be too bad. I mean, you know, let me turn on each other It'll probably be it'll be okay. I mean it'll be like great don't mind tickets people can enjoy the show I suppose You know it's funny is a lot of these people every everything that they see and the way that they like um Sort of visualize situations is like everything is a really elaborate coup And everyone is like a fake piece of shit that's only doing things for like profit and like personal gain It's like hey dude. I know that's how you do things, but that doesn't mean everyone else does them that way too Yeah, it's like she lacks, you know I'm like as well as everyone's doing is using massive really that's a slur Uh, so i'm surprised they would just throw that out there Can't believe that and as for like massive ego should be like Isn't it the It's said by a lot of prominent youtubers, but like to be To be confident in front of the camera to be making content that is something you're saying and expecting people to Be interested in or listen to whatever then we've all got to have an ego to a degree Um, I mean you have yeah, you can't have no ego You have to have a sense of self in some level of pride and some understanding that you do possess talents And you gotta have that to a degree if you don't that's just That must be really unhealthy. Yeah, then you won't be good if you have no ego whatsoever You're probably not going to have much self-awareness Do you think these people have a lot of self-awareness? I mean, I don't think they have a lot of self-awareness It seems like I think they're fucking retarded Yeah, I will say it does take a decent bit of bravery to go on camera and like record yourself, especially if you look like um As mongoloidic as myself and many others do it's quinton Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh quinton is brave for putting him his face in front of his face in front of a camera braver than me Yeah Um, it's like yeah, sorry going but like they the the ones the people we've responded to they got fucking What I would call inflated egos themselves like yeah A lot of them they they immediately think that they're the vampire hunter that's gonna drive the stake into efab They're the the righteous fury has they've destroyed us. We're always just like what was the argument? Oh, no, we did that one last year We'll see you next time by um For all the anime fans out there in translation. They think that they are the um Johto to our d.o. They think we're d.o. So there you go guys now you can follow along you're welcome Yeah, let me stream um trying to help but yeah, the I guess uh The idea as well that it's like it's inevitable for them to tell each other It's like aren't you guys a part of like a group that is known for inviting Like the they eat each other sort of memes um that just keeps happening because they they out purify each other and they also get conflicted on Like certain principles can cross over like certain rules about certain people then certain so like um Of of their team they they could probably like someone I mean contra points would probably be the classic example, right? Um got obliterated. I believe she's left twitter for the third time everyone should leave twitter. Yeah. Yeah, I know right but um You know like we always destroy with that exactly So from what I remember and this was the either first or second time leaving twitter contra points said When you go up to a group of people who are quote-unquote woke um They see Uh someone like contra points and then they'll be like, oh, let's all get our pronouns out. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings And then she said that uh when she goes to a non-woke crowd There isn't that And they would just refer to her as she and everything and she's actually saying it's I think she she's trying to say this I could be wrong paraphrasing Um, but the experience is actually smoother and more normal with people who aren't even remotely aware of like wokeness And she got lambasted That is what I've noticed too that they make a huge deal about it like it's that's Like that's them. That's their whole thing. So they make this huge fucking song and dance about it instead of What most people do and they're like, okay, like, all right, I guess Okay, sure. Yeah, like I have trans friends and I think the best thing is they'll go Oh, my pronouns are they them, but uh, you can call me she like I don't care If they're like really understanding and lax about it, I'm like, oh, okay I don't feel so nervous about it Because I do want to be respectful. You know what I mean Yeah, uh, we had like, you know this this Faux wall with like I hit everything for like near two years and it it's been sorted now or at least Once the the the video is shown which should happen within the next few e-faps I'm just gonna have to find the right place to do it. Um That will have been sorted and how did it get sorted through talking? Whoa And I guess what I'm implying is like We're of a team That's like, hey, if there's a problem, do you want to have a chat rather than Yeah, you're you're an evil terrible horrible person And you must die So like I'm not really too concerned about it I think that if there's a problem me and rags have with each other or with something in general We'll probably talk about it. Um, however, if a friendship is to end It's uh, it's not exactly the end of the world happens with everybody There is no friendship as immune to destruction because life without e-fap Oh, I know right like the the the fans would have to start watching Chase, can you start a show called like e-fap every frame and anime e-fah Yeah, I'll call it like fap grumps That sounds like you're ripping off two shows at once Yeah, that's the idea. I think that's despicable I was more thinking of like the the fan base split between erin and jontron How that was like a giant shit show and a half I remember I was there for all of that. It's crazy. Me too. It was kind of sad Jontron's doing all right. He's doing okay And it's funny because erin has been like Roasted by people for being way too woke and jones been roasted for being way too like alt righty They've both deviated from where they sort of started. It's really interesting Oh, yeah And uh for erin it's only gonna get worse because john's kind of entered this area where like he doesn't really give a shit But erin has like just further Lumped himself in with like the the sages In which they will just absolutely consume him alive at the soonest given opportunity Yeah, he did the whole like I regret any jokes I made in the past million years that may have affected people. It's like, uh Yeah, he's uh Very much a bootleg like now that I've decided to join the tribe that will play me alive for saying the bad things I gotta make sure I cover my ass Did I ever tell you guys that when I was younger and I used to I was like 15 and I talked to erin and he was like, I don't know 20 or something like that But he would he would do a mickey mouse voice and he would just scream the n-word at the top of his lungs And it was like literally the funniest fucking thing because it was there would just be 20 minutes of silence And then just mickey screams the n-word Just like and like he would go Releasing the collector's edition of song of the south Jesus christ. Oh how the times changed. Oh, how the turntables How the flumes have gloomed So, um, there is something I want to show you guys uh in video form quite amusing Um, I'll give you I'll give you a link and then I will give you context. So Oh boy Uh, monday matt and jeremy have a feud of sorts. I say it. It's probably not true geeks and gamers I guess but monday matt's been making a lot of videos about the geeks and gamers fandom men is crowd from what I understand yeah, well Remember everyone for those of you don't know monday matt thinks that rises skywalkers great Oh, why do you have to be so mean to rise to skywalk? And I think I think the poor guy probably actually like went to a Showing it was with a bunch of people who were like, yeah, this is stairways. It's like, uh, yeah That was a fun movie. Yeah He's like people actually enjoy this movie. You notice like dude, dude, dude He'll out Like he makes another and they make another video going. I need a sarkeesian gamer gate Zoey quinn gamer gate. He's still going with stuff like that. Like yes. He is We'll go that long lost Relevance, I wonder if he like gets more views with that. Is that why he's doing it? Or is it just I have no idea But someone someone left a Someone left a comment on his newest one about a needed sarkeesian gamer gate and they're just like, bro This has been irrelevant for a long time. You're just bringing it up to try to make it relevant again Then he said, oh, well people send me messages about it. And so I I'm just like I should cover this I only bring it up when they do it's like, okay It's like what is it like two to three a day? So it's like, oh, yeah if you're gonna cover whatever so all the context I have for this is that um Monday mat is calling like Jeremy out every other day on stuff And like Jeremy's had a couple of debates with him like live and they don't ever stick Like it'll be like, oh, yeah, okay. That makes sense. Well, and then they leave them the next day. It's like, whoa What's Jeremy? Uh geeks and gamers Jeremy and so like I was sent this and I just thought it was really funny So like the context I guess here is that there's a guy called mad max who's running a stream and um Matt is like sort of throwing shade at uh Jeremy And then Jeremy is like able to this is on that stream yard Sort of thing and so with stream yard, you get an invite you get to join the backstage And then the host gets to add you in whenever they want. I think that's how that works Kind of is that what we used? Yes, um When we yeah, when we're with will class bullshits geeks and gamers, um Sort of I imagine aether man skyver as well. Um geeks just fantasy people I think they're all using stream yard right now Uh, we still we're rocking with discord like an og. That's how you do but I think a little overlay a little little window a little spacing Yeah, looking fucking And so, um I think monday matt's like been talking about it and then Jeremy's like, oh, I'll talk to him about it And then I'll just show you what happens. Um, but that's pretty much all the context I had so that's all you get But I just find this amusing Hey stream. I don't have kill streams on my channel Well, I mean to be fair, you make a lot more money if you did but I just said All right, I'm gonna go I gotta write on my phone's almost dead anyway, so I'll talk to you guys already Wow I'm gonna play that again in case people didn't catch it Like nice the second exit the second he mentions the jerry's in the backstage Matt's like I don't have kill streams on my channel Well, I mean to be fair, you make a lot more money if you did but uh, I just said Jeremy is in my Jeremy is in my backstage. Oh boy. Okay All right, I'm gonna go I gotta write on my phone's almost dead anyway, so I'll talk to you guys already My phone's almost dead too and I'm here. All right Okay, Jeremy. I love how he jumps like the image of him Like he chased him out of the room He's just like the motherfucker keep him out And also is like, okay, then let your phone die. Exactly. Yeah, but go until your phone's just Convenient excuse. Yeah, there's nothing really else too. I just thought it was really funny and uh Apparently Matt is just trying to point out that he has issues with him. Um, hopefully hopefully to get that sorted Also, man, have they ever been in a stream together or is Matt? No, I think there is Matt Does Matt not learn what happens when he like live streams with people? How could he will not get any worse, right? Right. He's just like, well, they as well just fuck it up even more. I've already hit wrong bottoms. So fuck it It's a strategy. Um This this is a meme video that's made aware of and I'm pretty sure it's fine for copyrights, so So all the reshoots and the general fuckery that went on with the rise of skywalker Want us to wonder how much disney will need to make in order to break even now while disney's gonna keep the actual numbers off The public record for quite some time We could probably assume that with an initial production budget of 250 million dollars And with the extensive reshoots reported we can bump that number up to 500 million with those ballpark figures in mind How do we calculate how much money a film needs to make in order to break even? Surely they just need to make back that initial production budget, right? Who not so fast my friends You see while it might seem logical to take that initial number and figure that is the exact amount they need to break even There are Other costs involved marketing for example is especially expensive especially with huge tentpole releases Let alone something as huge as a star wars film We also need to remember that the cinemas need to make money as well So we need to take their cut of the profits into account as well So when you tally up all of this additional bloat to the overall amount spent on the film You end up having to make back about 2.5 times your original budget. So with the rise of skywalker We start with 500 million multiply that by 2.5 and we end up with our final figure of 1.2 That's a lot. That was worth it That's not done anything since his woke videos. That's still the most recent. Yes. He made a He's actually doing okay. He made a the best game of the decade being um which is Oh, yeah, that's that's um Which got 200 over 200,000 views. Oh, that's great. And then his next video Is it's on 5k, but you know somebody just come out. Um, is is best console of the decade playstation 4 Not even a pro, huh? I mean I was thinking best console It's gonna be really tough to be able to get any kind of like mechanical sort of Way to figure that out. I'm assuming he bases it mostly on Exclusives at least that's what I got the impression of when I was sort of skimming through. Um Pretty tough to vote for but sure. I'm happy with playstation 4 as well What was what generation is 2010 plus? I forget eight. I think I don't know I don't even assign like numbers to it or anything chase. Tell me what console came out in 2010 um We you We you wasn't right. I think might have been like a year after that or something like the we you No, I think people liked it. It's just nobody liked it Yeah, the marketing confused a lot of people even me I thought that for years the we you was an add-on you bought for your we Yeah, and you know was the weirdest thing about it that really didn't help us They would always obfuscate like the actual size of the console because for anyone who owns the we you The tablet is like fine. It's like a decent size. Obviously. It's not anything mobile So it's not a big deal and then you have the we you console itself that is fucking huge Um, and it's just every time in all the marketing images They always show the we you console behind the screen like they're hiding how big it is from the screen And like for some reason that always fucked with me because I bought I was like, okay, this is gigantic And there's just there's not enough like games on it. Well, I mean the switch did well So they recovered just fine. Although they were in trouble anyway We're in uh the proper good future now Um, oh, yeah, my new year is in two hours from now and you guys have it in ages from now, right? Yeah, it'll be a bit later On eight hours or so. Yeah eight hours for me. Um, well, I mean we could look at some memes. I've got a few memes Yeah, we can look at some memes sure See I happen to like memes myself and obviously some of them are going to be pretty up to date in terms of like I lost stream I quite like this one. Also. I have another I have another goofy ony george lucas video if you want to show that to the stream Oh, like the one you showed me or yeah, if you felt like it. I don't really care I mean we could do that after memes if you want Yeah, we just we just do whatever you want We don't have a schedule This crazy train ain't got no breaks A long bone having to pass out those permissions to y'all That's nicer though. Yeah. No, it was very kind You don't remember relevant relevant meme that was a good one too I did a stream with sargon the day after efap and that was uh, that was popping up The ewoks thing the ewoks thing Did you have to explain it to them? I did I hope it went out smoothly it went over. Well, he's my e-word Yeah, this is the this is what I was talking about man the struggle. What are they gonna do? For efap chat That's that's the real question, isn't it when we have memes that conflict it's like, oh, no Somebody choices you get to choose which one you like we've got we've got so much choice in memes Just choose well everyone I prefer hell on my end words because then you get the best of both worlds You get to say the word without actually saying the word but still pissing everyone off No, I like the ewoks a lot. Maybe it's because it's fresh It's one of that movie posters from that new one that's coming out The dawn world. Oh, finally I could have my dawn You seem pretty eager about that In this one dawn is Odin though Yes, you gotta you hanging out with Thor just to get to the dawn is that it? Yeah, he's my ticket to dawn's heart. Makes sense I can't do the long command you be objective Oh, no Diabeto Diabeto's been uh that one really took off well Yeah, he's a he's a very strong character people starting to you know discuss whether he's supposed to be the the series villain rather than a season villain Pulling those strings man pulling those strings. Do you guys know what anime that's from? No, isn't it? I don't know jojo No, it's code gios. Oh, I should know that Ray chutz Did you guys see the uh, I think we put it on streamed and we like to the image of chutz Skywalker Yes, um, and there's a few more from That same why am I say Diabetus? Hey yms, we're not actually responding to a video. We're just hanging out if you want to jump in let us know Oh, dude, Adam. What's up, dude? Depends if he's free for his new years He's a busy man Oh my god Bilbo Frick, I guess so Frick's got some scary bilbo teeth. Oh no, bilbo Bilbo stop no No, bilbo. No Um You're gonna ruin c3po's memory. I seek the chromosomes you speak of What is what is happening here? What am I missing? I don't know what that is You don't have to cipher it. That's our job You know, you want to add them. This is your one day off I want to say is it because quinton doesn't have enough chromosomes or he has too many It must be something to do with that. I don't know What up j like the the yellow saber though. That's we're following that How long will you be doing this? It's longer than you would want to stay and you can leave whenever you want What's up my ewok? He looks pretty terrified about that. I mean, he's probably terrified both before and after the the thing was said, you know Yeah Oh my god, look at this classic. I mean, he's just quite he's just terrified because he's seen quinton Did you care what he said about the ewoks because because he's aware of him and he's seen his videos If you like get him in the course like he's got it want to first I can't do anything until he wants This is your fault moller Usually is I mean, I'll I don't know if I have him on discord. I'll send him an invite through twitter if he wants it You may use at your displeasure Who are you bringing in? That's Tony of business j Um, I'm friend He's the one who said that uh, yeah, it was jr r martin's fault. All that was jr r martin's fault There's a durable picture. Just wonderful Hope jab Yeah, j I know all you can reference is rick and mortis. Is there anything you've seen? I know Oh, see that. It's a negative Hi It's I can't hear you. How about how about we try this again? I go on my computer. Hold on. Oh my god Hey I have a feeling he's gonna come back with like perfect audio to be like, is that better? I'm gonna be like, yes, that is better My discord and my phone just don't get along Yeah, no, it really tis me Like I'll be I'll be like in a call with someone for five minutes And I won't hear anything And it'll be like, oh it disconnected and then I'll look at my phone and it will reconnect like as soon as it's away from my head That's a weird thing it does It works worse on my I have a macbook that I bought new or sorry not new used I don't buy I don't give apple any money Um In discord just does not a lot of things don't just macbooks But the discord they uh, oh it's getting just the right Audio to work getting a microphone to work getting a headset to work. It's like pulling teeth The phone works better than my macbook Although I've only used it once so do I know pulling teeth doesn't hurt if you're dead That's true. Yeah, but these uh, but the macbook was alive Oh, you just always know exactly what to say. Don't you fucking counted that argument? done and done In zero seconds flat Also, this meme is like underappreciated I feel sorry for anybody who discovers efap and wants to understand the law when they're like episode 150 or something It'll be like this is um They'll have to have someone make season recaps or something I know there is a playlist of like the full efap extended universe Um, how are they gonna get through all that? There's someone called boobface and it is I want someone to like tally up how long it is. Oh, I desperately want that Yeah, because it'll take some time to to to know all of the additional language we've created but hey Fucking screen tear in it It's got all of like the Great bait and everything not so great to be Screen tear. Hey, that's the podcast that you did. That's the that was proto efap Well, yeah, I guess everything we did before efap was proto efap to a degree Because it was on wolf's channel that we had like the first efap thing Yeah, we had to like we had to like emergency Bring over the memes because we were referencing memes that no one had any reference for me like we have to recover these videos Memes we need we need memes. We need memes more memes. Oh my god People won't understand the context of our memes. Exactly and uh like this one for example is a resident evil four meme But repurposed as a star wars the rise of the skywalker the meme Legitimately did not even occur to me that that was leon and Well, because the joke is she's like very end. I want to fuck you that he's like the way fag Because he's like he seems to be a leon you went some overtime and no no he said he got it. He was just like No, I was going to say he seems to be a lew throughout the whole game the she seems to have an interest in him Uh pretty significantly But you know no non-resume before he doesn't really display anything That's literally what I said Is it she liked him? There is it not from her. She doesn't really do much. That's kind of like it Oh, well, I would disagree with that. I think I think if you play the game It does she she could totally be implying. She's got an interest in leon at several moments But he seems like Like like the joke I assumed was that he's so like against it that he sees like an attraction for a woman It's gay Because if anything she like yells at him for looking up her skirt and stuff like that um Oh, well, that's uh, I always assumed that was like, um an easter egg What what does she say that would? Leads you to think that well I would have to replay the game to get you a specific reference, but I assumed the uh It was mostly accepted because that's where the meme is derived is that he like seems to be just so unaware of her advances Or doesn't really want anything to do with it Someone I yeah, I have I have no idea what that Someone said hey chase get mad again I'm just gonna talk about I like this meme by the way That is a really good meme. Yeah, they make a they seem like they'd be similar to one another genetically Genetics are very important in the movie bob I just love that. That's not true Like face They contain nothing that's imitated ray does not already possess That's a good one there's a copy of mine come So sacred arian texts This is so this is ironically like one of the Sort of pieces of bitch from movie bombs thing and then people say like that's me secretly where I get That's a place in ways No, no, so There's there's there's degrees to this meme. So you got the big picture merchandise, which is just awful I make fun of it someone takes um Art of or makes art of me I guess wearing it and then they put me in a postcard in a place in wales to imply I've been secretly spotted wearing the merch even though I hate it. That is that is the meme I like to think this is your version of flashing Yes revealing revealing. I am pro movie bob You want to see the big picture and then you like people are like, oh my god Is he gonna flash me and you're like you're waggling about you're like you're about to open your buttons And I like oh my god, he's gonna flash me and then you reveal that and it's much worse This this is the result of people saying that chat needs to have googly eyes and uh There you go chat is a character now I think that makes chat much more palatable. Mm-hmm. Oh It would allow chat to be very expressive Yeah, it's much friendlier like that seems to be chasing this version of chat a lot better. Yeah We should hang out with chat more just seeing yeah, that's all right. This is uh deleted Uh scene a screenshot of a deleted scene from rise of skywalker where they just explained how he survived the uh the fall well With the white outer glow and everything the CGI isn't finished obviously It's a little rough around the edges It would be so funny if in concepts like someone was really bad Whenever they don't work to a finished product like all of their concept shit is terrible They show jj this They're like try to imagine it But different Surfing down to the planet surface The reason palpatine was so easily defeated in trance Do not know do we If you got them as pilots they ain't gonna know the fucking way it's true Surfing is what only one of many of the emperor's talents I don't even know what to make of this one, but it's clearly extended quintan law He's a puppet. I think so He's a fat ugly puppet. I guess it's more references to how quintons Just uh, his strings being pulled by the master puppeteer Diabetes, I think it's season six. It'll probably be revealed That like we defeat diabetes and then someone was controlling him the whole time I just I can't get it. Oh my god. Oh boy Yeah It sounds so much better. It sounds so nice. I just love movie We're doing all right. Celebrating surviving another year on this planet Another decade I don't care about decades. I'll be streaming all the way until the next decade Whoa See you next Those jokes something decade So fucking glad I was too young to remember these jokes being made about the millennium Do you remember what anyone here remember y2k? Yes, yes, I remember because of the simpsons references to it. I was I remember that episode but I would have seen it as repeats Remember the old y2k Damn computers nearly done bloat up Yeah, your computers are gonna blow up and heal everyone It's gonna the whole world's gonna read It's it's amazing thinking back To 2000 the fear was worth. We're too connected computers control too much Well, I guess we ended up embracing it Puppet gif where it looks away I wish I knew yeah, I was uh, I was just in bed Oh, it's like quarter after 2 p.m. Here. I was not far See we got a cream of the crop today me and rags are like let's stream and like chase Blunders in like oh, I guess I can hang up jay is like give me a sack And then you're like I was sleeping but sure I set my alarm because I thought the stream started an hour earlier than it did I technically woke up around noon, but then I stayed in bed And went on my phone and watched some youtube shit even though I have things to do today, but But it's a but it's a tuesday Yeah, nobody has anything to do on a tuesday. What are you talking about? I think Like why is there a dinosaur thing? Why? Why is the neapolitan ice cream? Well, that's that's a little foot from a land before time What's that got to do with movie ball? Because movie bob's a dinosaur of an old era. Ah nice nice. He's still hanging in hanging in there I just I love that every single picture with movie bob is just him making like the chubby soy face That's what that is It's me movie bob You're just upset because you're in this next meme So No, we're all these memes coming from this is community made memes we tend to check them out as well I'm trying to decipher what they could possibly mean I'm the leader of the ewoks is it because I'm really knowledgeable about anime Yes, really knowledgeable about how to control e words. Oh, no Jesus you control all of the ewoks Cuts too deep. Oh my god flotilla. He hasn't been here in like 50 e-fabs. He hasn't been here in days Everyone's rolling in though. I'm here Yeah, also look chase god aren't made about him because he complained that it wasn't enough about him already Chase you were a vest. Is that your little vest? Yeah, he does wear a vest. Everyone's normal. He does He thinks he's from like a fucking a hundred years old ago, whatever That's when yeah, that's when they were vests. I got little fins So it was the same guy who made uh, that was the same guy who made the chud Skywalker sketch I like his stuff. Well, I was gonna say he's made loads of fun stuff and the next one. Yeah I love that weird thing about the sequel movies. They call it a trilogy. I'm not your son Why is he got a picture of himself on his shit? I think I made the joke about that with like Jerry from rick and morty. See I can reference it to j No, you can't Wonderful, it's also a little tragic. Well, so yeah, jay appreciate not jay jay's appreciate you got you go out made about you right now do it I'm gonna appreciate that You can't see it, but you can get the general sense, but I really I appreciate it. There you go. He appreciates it Drag that when am I getting art? I'll have to do is complain, right? Yeah, pretty much Draw me Make like it can't be it. This is a very just very well made art, uh I feel Just yeah, you can't you can't not appreciate that you might not agree with with the The implications of it, but I just think that the art itself is very very well drawn. Oh, it's a caricature Oh my god That's actually pretty spot. That's horrifying. Oh my god. He's got a little sex doll. Oh my goodness Who's that by? It says Is it pitch paterson? Very very, um, you could do caricatures. You should go for it Assuming you don't already um Very very very cool Does he have a sex doll calendar? Oh, do you mean because of the cross hatching thing? No, because of the face on the calendar Isn't that rose tico? Yeah What are you talking about? Do you think has a rose tico sex doll? No, the that rose tico this artistic rendition of rose tico looks Like the sex doll he has What where's the calendar come in? It's a calendar in the oh, I thought it was like a calendar never mind It looked calendary with a little symbols beneath it Hey fap extended universe three. I think that's a reference to good rat That's see that's one if you don't have any kind of uh translation going you just fucked you like what the hell is this you're like that You got to know the beams to know him And uh, that's true. That's from an artist who did a j image too Yeah, you're aware of this one. Yes an artist an artist. Oh, yeah That's my profile picture on twitter now our audience is primarily made up of artists Yes And some of the guests At the host, uh, yeah, so it's pretty neat. What do you you've taken that as your profile for now, right? But not right now You wouldn't want to ruin your Christmas spirit I'll let you know what no it is right now because um, I'll let you know right the reason that I've Got that as my profile picture right now I asked dude. It's like it's a pretty good one. I was like I was looking for some fan art to make my profile picture Because I'm currently in england away from my home Where do you normally live? Uh, scotland scotland aren't those the same thing? I will throw fried. I will throw a deep fried food at you. Oh my goodness But uh, I don't have uh, a high quality version of my profile picture at the moment So I needed something else So I chose my favorite sign up. I made it uh made up my picture What is your fursona j It is a rhino. We've been over this a rhino with I know I just wanted to take titties like for the record and everything for the record Someone made a it's about time for an objectivity backhand Is that implying that I'm with the chat or I'm going to slap the chat because my goodness I think it's implying that you're very violent. I'm a very violent man according to this meme. Yeah So there's little buttons on the back of my hands when I backhand somebody they activate and they like explode or something How violent does this reverse? It's a reverse iron man blaster You backslap someone's go I was just thinking of like the dragon ball z androids But like opposite because they have them inside their palms and they like suck people's life energy out of them Yeah, so you always reference the super gay nerdy thing. Yeah, I mean, hey at least dbz is like popular, you know Never mind. You know sequel. Hey is trying to kill episode eight and sequel fans like hey, disney comes in with episode nine kills A little shitty nigger in like We did it See, I have a theory the uh episode nine is what people who love clj thought people who hate tlj wanted instead It's just like everything gets bigger for no reason Yeah, that that's what episode nine is is the caricature straw man So obviously you wanted the rise of skywalker. It's polar opposite But there was no scene of luke jumping around slashing all the 8080s with his lightsaber. That's what we always wanted But there was palpatine there was like there was the same thing with palpatine. Oh was it now? Yes That's how facts work I haven't been here for all of the discussion regarding Episode nine. Do you guys think it's worse or better than tlj? I mean, it's like the best movie ever made Do you think it's worth to be stabbed in the face with a knife or stabbed in the face with a sword Few few movies have brought me as much enjoyment as rise of skywalker already It's like the batman, but of theaters or batwoman. Sorry. Hey, is it cool if I call you adam YMS or do you want to be called yms? Yeah, I was gonna say Did you laugh at all when you saw the film on your perfectly legal theater copy? Yeah, I mean it was kind of zoned out watching it, but the pinata animations were really cool I thought that that was a really good choice You'll fucking video more than like just over half of it was just making fun of the pirate copy That's what you gave a shit about style this at this point Yeah, I I think I lucked out by not actually being able to see it in theaters because this is the one movie Where I could watch a camera and nobody would give a shit Like literally any other movie People would be mad being like, oh, you didn't get like the full experience of the film How could you how could you comment on the film but nobody was mad about this? So, oh, yeah, you saw the rise of skywalker in theaters Surrounded by people booing and cheering with your popcorn and your sodie pop Right, then you would have you would have sucked out Everything that there is you would have got the full experience just as Disney intended until they've seen it in the extended cut in 3D Oh, I saw mine in 3D. I forgot I hate it. I hate 3D I didn't mean to buy a 3D ticket. I guess I did. I've done that before thinking about checking What did palp's lightning look like in 3D? Was it cool? It just it looked like annoying like everything does How does something look annoying it looked like something I was It's just what a pain in the ass to watch Oh He had to be a ticket and then he handed me the guy there. He's like, here's your 3D glasses And I'm like wait 3D glasses movies in 3D. It's like, oh And I started looking around the theaters for the other showings Hoping there was one that was really close to me that happened to not being 3D that I could sneak into There wasn't I was like, well, it's like we're biting the bullet on this It's like we're seeing it in 3D So, uh, yeah, that was the experience. That was great. Yeah, that was great That was fun. So Adam was it better or worse than TLJ? um my personal opinion is that it was worse um the The last jedi is something that I'll never watch again But there are some aesthetic choices that I like there. There are some I I do like the imagery of like the red salt ship whatnot. I think that There are some I guess It's a more entertaining movie whether or not you want to call it better or worse whereas The final film I was just like so done You know last jedi had had some moments where I was like, okay You know, even though this is dumb I'm not like bored out of my mind Whereas this last one I was just like so uninvested just ready for it to be over I thought the rise of skywalker was much more entertaining a lot of that was Because I was laughing at it and I was just yeah, it was so terrible. It was entertaining But it wasn't like frustrating entertaining And a lot of that standard like oh my god things are happening boom boom boom explosions lights and you're like It helped that I watched it at like fucking five in the morning when I was already deliriously sleepy So I was just like, okay at everything that was happening Um, it's just funny to look back on that just Is there a more disjointed and mess-filled trilogy out there? Like people would probably reference stuff like Maybe the matrix trilogy or um Pirates the caribbean at least the matrix Trilogy whether or not you want to call it disjointed At least it was like the same people with one kind of idea even if the ideas weren't all that well formulated Uh, this trilogy felt like conflicting ideas That we're not coordinating at all kind of just arguing over what the series should be Which is not what you should do if you're going to have A cohesive story, you know the same narrative going throughout multiple films You should probably agree on what What the the whole story should be before you start making the movie in my opinion I watch a lot of terrible shit and I genuinely can't think of anything Um, the only thing I can think of and it's obviously not in film because why would it be is um Everyone knows final fantasy Final fantasy 13 Was the one they made where they just the entire formula was changed they changed the battle system They made it extremely linear like there was no Uh, the story was needlessly convoluted and needed to like look up a codex to like piece together What the fuck like basic shit was even happening And everyone hated it and it scored really low and then they made two more Yeah, but that there's no implication of like a trilogy there Like this this is when you make a trilogy and you say from the first movie that there's going to be three films That are a part of the same story. You're essentially implying that each film is like a piece Of this overall story. Whereas like final fantasy 13 Correct me if i'm wrong is just basically its own sequel its own game. Yeah, but Yes, but then they made final fantasy 13 dash two and 13 dash three Oh, but did they did they start that with the Promise that that's what they'd be doing or did they just I don't know the side after the fact I'm actually not a hundred percent sure. I just know that they kept going and everyone was just screaming for them to stop And they just said no Just kept doing it. I never I never played the game, but I worked at blockbuster when it came out and I remember I remember the one disc ps3 blu-ray versus the four three disc xbox 360 Had lay on the loose is my hands tying into that I remember I saw like my dad was watching a basketball back in the day They had like big beautiful j-pop lightning Implacent on the fucking side of a basketball court lay on a loose is my hands We're just blaring in between commercial breaks and I was just like who are they marketing to It's just like one of the gayest games in existence right now. We remember when games used to have Um multiple cds and I kind of a part of me really does miss that where you're playing a game and you get to You know, you're kind of getting halfway through ish Things are starting to you know get serious and then it says like, all right, please insert discs to do and you're like, oh Yeah I like that feeling it's like a tangible mark of progression. Yeah All right, here we go. You're in the second half It's getting good Metal gear and all that you know, um just to come back to that comment that like You should plan it out before you do it thing like a lot of different people have said that and it's totally true I just never thought we'd get to the point where so like probably shouldn't have creators that hate each other working on each movie I mean, um Hated their ideas like so it was like a creative resentment jj being like, hey Be pretty interesting to know which of the famous people raise Father mother is right and then jj was uh rye was like nah lull And then jj was like, excuse me. What the fuck that he was like, what did you do with snoke? He's like nobody fuck it Like what the hell man I don't know. I just think that you're your stupid mystery box. It's don't matter that he was like, oh do you do Yeah, well, you know what I think Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well my buddy mark here He's gonna tell you I think jj is more respect ryan more than ryan hates jj to be honest. Um jj did I mean jj laid all of the like threads out for him to continue on and he just cut them all up So when jj got the film back again, he was like, okay, so what the fuck do I do now? I have nothing to continue on with I just find it so confusing that this could happen in the first place because With such a gigantic factory machine such as disney You'd think that they'd have a tight reign On what each of these films would be but it seems as though Too much creative control was actually a bad thing in this scenario It's not too much creative control. It's too much creative control given to ryan johnson and jj abrams Oh, yeah, well, I guess creative control is great. Just don't give it to idiots Really quickly. Sorry to interrupt uh cynical reviews isn't chat And he says have a good one guys sitting on my man left from the grim north. Oh my god. You're from north korea Oh my goodness, you be careful. I don't think they're I don't think I think efap is bad. Oh my god. Efap is probably banned in north korea It's almost certainly banned isn't youtube banned from north korea. That's the one thing It's the one thing I like in north korea. They fucking love efap They're big bad. Isn't that the band in north korea? Is life banned? I think germany banned uh, the nazi vampires The man from korea that I do with is argon and arch in them Well, you should have thought twice before trying to oppress people What would you do if what would you do if kim jong-un sent you a super chat? Would you read it? Oh, yes Kim jong-un, please come on efap Imagine not imagine not reading a super chat because Jay, didn't you ask me the other day? What would we do if hitler came on? It's like we wouldn't have to do anything Probably you just we'd be like hitler. What do you think of like? I feel in your brain. So what do you think about star wars? The obvious question to ask would be what do you think about star wars? And if we actually got a star where he'd see it all though, but he was just like, I don't know. They're okay He'd be like, oh my god In varying degrees of quality, I suppose you could say Hey, hitler. Hey, hitler. Um, who do you think's gonna be? Hey He's like I very much joined the themes of the last jedi impressed You could say hell hitler more, please just for me For who else I wonder what hitler would think of the wolf in slime games I wonder if he would like them or not. He plays the ball and he comes into the chat. He's like, wasn't that funny? Okay, I feel like I could have done better She didn't even ask me if I wanted to voice me I'd never even considered conquering venus We didn't have mechs, okay A lot of people forget but you'll go to like venus or mercury in the second wolfenstein I keep forgetting that because that game was so not good that you go to venus and it's like you just forget I remember going to the moon in the new a new order and it was great Well, that sounds like iron sky iron sky have you seen Have you seen it? We don't watch children's cartoons jay Yeah, it's a movie about space nazis meant for children. That's fucking great You put that on a shirt rags people bought it But what? Children Yeah, and it's it's the format of it is bad too because it's a black shirt with small lettering that you have to get close to And they're like, well, it's a reference to steer boys, isn't it? Do you guys ever like lay awake at night wondering like if nazis are ticklish and if so, where would they be most? Of course nazis are ticklish under the armpits probably they go Yeah, but you can't you can't tickle yourself What the fuck are you talking about? I'm sorry, like how is this not a reasonable discussion? You can't tickle yourself anywhere except in your ding dong. No with the bottom of my feet. I could tickle the bottom of my feet Really? Yeah Yeah, like if you try to tickle yourself it just it's kind of like a weird uncomfortable uncanny It's not like a true tickle like someone else would do to you. It's just kind of like a stop I wish hitler was here so we could ask him where he likes to be tickled most. Yeah My sides are particularly sensitive Particularly Oh, yeah the sides. Yeah That used to be oh All I have to do is just I'll just like hug my girlfriend from behind and I'll just fucking jabber in her sides and slap me Oh People do that thing where they they kind of They hit beneath your rib cage on your sides at the same time they'd hit They're like the tips of their fingers and it's really really uncomfortable Do it to yourself now as hard as you can just so you can relate to my experiences even if you bleed it's okay Oh my god, if you do it hard enough to where you bleed you need to go to a doctor I poked myself in the stomach so hard. I bled I could taste the iron in my blood Also someone in chat is saying get er in here and have chase an er talk about anime If you think er didn't talk much last time imagine him in a call with someone he doesn't even know Adam's a big anime fan, right? Nope Nope We talked about the death note anime in a podcast about get death flick That I like death note would be the one. Yeah So he's he's like half a weave or demi-weave Like maybe a 16th weave. Okay. You're bad. Not bad. He still has social skills But yeah, I could I could yeah If you go full weave I could bring aid in an er in here, but then we'd have eight people at the same time And I just I don't know. I don't know right. So what are the rules on this? on What are the rules on this on when you say this what do you mean on this? Consult the e-fap handbook. I don't know. I was I was busy. I was trying to google what the official name for semi is What is it? I I'm still looking Because you have flaccid and you have turgid Is it cuddles? The hang on turgid is the like the scientific name for a hard on I think so Yeah That was like, I mean, I guess phallus is just the scientific name for a cock in general I'm pretty sure penis is the scientific name for a dick. Well, you know or schlong It's like the latin root. I don't know. Longer is the german, right? I think jay What is schlongenheimer? So, yes, I got a medical news today average penis length is revealed in new study Wow So do we want to take guesses and see what the the average penis Holy fuck chase did I actually get it? No, I was like That is a big penis Casually tosses out just shy as seven inches and I'm like damn. I'm just used to my own reference Um The the average erect penis length is 5.16 inches. Yeah. Yeah The hell is that in normal terms? Um, it is 13.12 centimeters That is very tiny. I guess it's people who are really, um Diminutive aren't making a big deal about it. So they slip under the radar Are there just more people with like micro penises than there are with like megadongs Well, I guess the average The average person has less than two hands. So the average person is dead Oh my god, they have the hands the feet they're the lack of a whole bunch You don't you don't know that the average person hasn't been born yet. That could be uh Depending on how many people are going to be born in the future Are they all is it are you are you dead if you haven't been born yet? I don't think no, are you just unalive? No, you're not you're not dead if you're if you were never alive While we're talking about this can you zoom in on that lower left panel in the comic of just like disney with like the Shit-eating evil grin. No, I will not do that I really want to close up on him Next time I'm erect. I'll look down and I'll say you know what this means that you know mathematically speaking There's some poor guy out there With a small hands to average with no hands and the small penis who's dead Who has to be the mathematical opposite of me so the numbers line up. It's good to be alive with hands in a car Or maybe it's shit and I just don't know any alternative you could say they go hand in hand together I don't know like what do you mean? It's good. I got that jay. I got it. Thank you. I don't have to study took into account women for average penis So like actually everyone's walking around with ten inch cocks in their pants. Some girls have very large clits Not a joke Happy new year everyone. Yeah, happy new year Oh, yeah, it's happy new year here in 20 minutes. I know what you're. Yay. We get to ring it in with somebody Oh, we got a waste to go for me. We got another like seven hours Well, the important people get to celebrate it like it's fine. Oh wow, okay. I'm gonna get to celebrate it Well, I mean isn't that subjective unless something terrible happens the next seven hours my god Aiden is in the chat apparently Aiden and er and that's why I'm like who do I boot to get those awesome people's in maybe Chase and yeah, yeah, how yeah, baller. How come you never get kicked? How come it's always somebody else? You never get kicked Because I'm right. This is the argument that will tear you fap a pot. I'm the apex guest Have you guys talked about that thing yet? We did one thing Oh about how we're gonna tear each other apart and be at each other's throats and it'll And they will celebrate that day. I I feel like they might be projecting Their inability to deal with other people they wouldn't they wouldn't do that. Yeah, they wouldn't tear their They wouldn't tear each other apart over tiny differences My favorite thing is to see like every time I do anything they like assume some random ass motivation for me Like they think that I I saw a comment on movie circle jerk Saying that the only reason I hate on captain marvel is to impress mohler That's like a press me your arguments will impress me. I hope senpai mohler notices me getting that god awful Hey, I hated the movie too. And I'm like that's so fucking hard That's literally how it works, right Um people are telling me to check out John Boyega's twitter. Um all I'm seeing I don't know if this is what I'm supposed to see but he's posted like Star Wars romance and he's got a screenshot of The kylo getting stabbed and then fighting. I don't know if the implication there is supposed to be this kind of weird Um, but then someone posted to him. You're still a misogynist and then he posted back and you're an idiot But everyone's like, oh my god Yeah, he's getting really popular right now. He's just I think he's a lot of he's done with stars now So you can start saying stuff, you know um, I'm getting stuff like, um John way, uh, I supported all ships from fans during the promo the fans created finpo go take up your issues with disney irritant I can't fucking wait for john boyega to be in good films again He also said y'all some ugly ass inbreds for real get off my page Yeah, I just want to be like can you shut the fuck up, please Oh, it's so satisfying to watch Like just talk like a normal person on twitter instead of like pr person, I guess. Yeah So grateful to be part of this hashtag bless I get the impression from john boyega that he's like a very just real dude that he's not, you know, one of the fucking corporate guys That's made very apparent. Well, it wasn't either the one interviewer. He's just like i'm not getting disney plus He just fucking says whatever he wants Yeah, it's like So I guess with since we're talking about john boyega, um The uh, disney plus the mandalorian season two. They said there would be people from the sequel trilogy in it So, yeah, uh, so he said he would never be disney plus, so I don't think it's gonna be him Maybe should we take like a uh Should we take a little a little gas to see who cannot be the new bet That could be the new bet now that the episode nine one crashed and fucking burned Well, hey wolf won that episode nine bet So not bad But along with the final was the final decision Ray was the most inconsistent character of episode nine Who would you voted for j Who did you vote for? Um, I voted for finn originally. Well, would you who would you say was the most inconsistent character of the film? I mean excluding kylo probably reya What about you adam you care about this a lot? I know you do see that This is thinking the steeps they get right there given it's his thought No, he just woke up and we had an aneurysm From hearing all the autism So I'll just I'll I guess I'll call this the mandalorian bet And uh, it'll be that you're gonna choose one and obviously there could be more than one cameo all character Those matter multiple people can be right. That's okay Um, so jay, you're going with mas canata. Are you? Yeah All right, who's up next? mas um It's not a bad guess. Um Let's see Probably a pretty solid answer Could be phasma because if this takes play Oh my god, that could be true though I guarantee you one episode of mandalorian would actually make her an interesting character like it's probably what would happen Um I'm gonna go with mas canata too. I think that's a really good answer because she's Old enough to where she could be around for this time and be doing stuff and But I think phasma is not a not a bad answer Uh, yeah, no, I think that's a possibility. I'll put her on the list as a potential for anybody who is going to vote for it Who's next? You all disgust me. Yeah, everyone calm the fuck down Um, all right, I guess I'll go who've we got as a choice is who's are who's our choices? Um, I think being So mandalorian season two is gonna have characters from the sequel trilogy and I guess we're gonna do a little a little bet Um a little contest to see who could guess Will be the one who ends up in it and uh, I think ray Finn and po are all disqualified because all of them are said they're not doing anything more Well, I guess you you can still vote for them if you want shortly, but you'll probably be Yeah, well carry fisher was dead put her in so who knows Yeah, you could put carry fisher in there. They could they could do some cgi puppeteer and go for it She's not really a sequel character. Yeah, no, it'll work Oh my god imagine they tried to fucking like Write like luke and lair off a sequel trilogy. What do you mean? She's not a sequel character. What does that mean? She's not from the sequels. No, but she's in it. She's at all three of them Yeah, but yeah, but if they said wait, did they say that they were going to get characters from the sequels or who are in the sequels because like If they were going to get lair and surely they would say Lair would still be from the sequels and the ot. Yeah, they'd still pull her But like, okay, surely the promo thing they would say is we're getting ot characters in uh, like as people they know that people care about the No, they want to if anything they would say sequel trilogy because that's what they want to try and play up Never like surely they surely they want to promo the Mandalorian at this point Yeah, and they want to make this equal trilogy look good So they're like, yeah people from the sequel trilogy. Ooh I think there's no choices again. Hux isn't a choice. Right. Oh, no. He could be right Maybe so mas canada captain phasma Um, oh, what about the dude who got killed at the beginning of force awakens by kylo? Oh, the name actually. Yeah. Oh, yeah I guess it wouldn't be the same actor though, right? Because I'm he's he surely he can't give a fuck Well, like money paychecks paycheck. Yeah, but he's like super old He's like he's gonna be watching, you know soap operas in his house Maybe he's gonna be in it on voice. So maybe he's gonna be in armor He's gonna be a hologram like mas. Oh, maybe another actor could play the same character That's true. Yeah, my younger man. Oh, Polkens. How the other Polkens he could be in it How how far after The Mandalorian is is the first awakens. I'm gonna put other Polkens as an option. Um Star Wars timeline Mandalorian So, uh Mandalorian has set five years after return of the Jedi 25 years before the rise of the first order So pretty much it looks like this is 25 years before episode seven Oh, so Hux would be like a baby longer than that Hux would be yeah, he'd be Phasma would be pretty young but she's still possible mas can author is looking like the most likely choice at this point Yeah, unless they want to do she's like a bazillion years old Yeah, maybe although. Oh, what about Darth Uchi? Oh my god. Holder Oh, it could be nothing. Holder could be like a kid or something in the show. I don't know Holder would be old enough to be like, you know, how old is she right now like 50s 40s? Yeah, something like that. She's 300 Okay Maybe it's babu Oh my god, I'll be frick. Oh, they could do that actually. Yeah, it turns out. He's a thousand years old Oh, and sorry bliss obviously and what's your name Janna, right? These are all options like everyone who's like mid-age wouldn't they be like Children if they were put in you can stretch it because You can just be like, uh, no, they were like really late 50s tids out. You're like, okay That's it. I'm putting my vote down for babu frick that is my vote frick I want to see that motherfucker again my favorite You can do it anybody want to try jar jar binks. I know he's not in the sequels, but still We can Let me look up the wookiepedia for jar jar binks and see what jar jar binks the average life spent with jar jar binks jar jar binks All right He was in he was in the book star wars aftermath empires end in 2017 Oh pride to be another one. Yeah Let's see with a 2012 acquisition blah blah blah most licensed star wars are rebranded non-clinic canon uh in the games, uh Oh, I guess in star wars the force unleashed jar jar is shown to have been frozen in carbonite by Darth Vader Oh my goodness that was in the force unleashed. I had no idea For jar jar all he did all of that to get frozen in carbonite by Darth Vader I love the idea that Anakin hunted him down. Just like you piece of shit. He's so annoying I don't know why you're doing this I want to see them give like make make a disney making a show on disney plus about um Rose tico and jar jar binks who meet each other and go on adventures together and fuck who can out annoy the other They'll be the best power couple All right, do you want to be experimental if I add aiden and er to this call and then resize the window I could probably fit all of us on screen. Is that a risk? I'm willing to take if you need people to leave then I can dip It's totally fine. No. Oh, look at you the fucking martyr Yeah, I'm pretty great Well, I like your opinion, man Yeah, I mean I'm just I'm kind of just organizing my uh sundance schedule at the same time, so Yeah, I'm just editing mine. It doesn't really matter Don't you want to don't you want to meet these these content creators you've never experienced before? Yeah All right, do you play rage legends with your fans? No and the more and the more you meme about these uh Oh, the more like all it's these uh paid promotions the more you're actually doing their job for them Oh, I don't I don't care. I'm not promoting it. I find it hilarious to meme about those things. You just mentioned the name Oh my god In a in a negative capacity I was gonna say like I don't I don't really mind if that's what ends up happening, honestly It amuses me regardless I am uh some kind of Aotic demon that I mean who hasn't heard of rage shadow legends at this point All right, shadow legends number one on the android marketplace Shadow legends probably have rage shadow legends on their iPads or whatever Every time you see those fucking games the ads are always like it's literally looks like a fucking pc game And then you play it and it's just like 2d art and good Raid shadow legends Half elf ranger goddess Can you guys wait for rage shadow legends too? Professor oh Yeah, Raid Shadow Legends is so good. How come there's not a Raid Shadow Legends, too? Is Maz Kanata going to be in it? Maz Kanata, unlockable character. Well, you joke, but hasn't Fortnite become official canon now? Something like that, because that's where Palpatine's message was. He broadcast it to Fortnite Topia or wherever the planet is. Oh, god. Hey, ER, welcome to the Fortnite stream. This call isn't big enough. Hello. This is how you celebrate a new year. ER, how do you feel about Raid Shadow Legends? It's a 1 million-plus player base, number one across the Android market point. The best part? It's free. It's free. The best part's free. And you can join my team and start with 1 million coins. It's the most ambitious mobile game ever made. I think y'all sound like Jews. Wow. Oh my goodness. That's, oh my god, that's the new action Raid Shadow Legends. Oh my god. The new class. Would you like to be a warlock, a barbarian, a ranger, or a Jew? South Park first. Can you imagine if they actually tried to run with that? Like that was in the ads. Well, no, it's made by an Israeli company. They could. And it's OP. Playing as a Jew is OP as fuck. It's the meta is to be a Jew. Isn't that a thing in that South Park game? We can be a Jew as a class. Jew as a class. Yeah, you can. That's amazing. I still love that they tied. I think the second game didn't they tie it in so that the darker your skin is, the harder the difficulty is. Yeah, the difficulty slider was your skin color. That's funny. So, yeah, who's the mysterious character that will end up in season two of The Mandalorian from the sequel films? You go to Beth. That will be Baby Rose. Oh god. No. Baby Rose. Baby Rose Tika. Really? Yeah. Baby Yoda grows as a Rose Tika. Everyone welcome the legendary Aiden Palladin also, by the way. What are you, the fucking announcer? Think of all the people who are upset that Rose didn't get her fame in The Rise of Skywalker. And they're like, oh, no, no, no, she's going to get her time to shine, but she's like a literal infant in The Mandalorian. She goes on an extremely important character arc. Chase, finish the introduction. I did. You fucking act like an asshole about it. I don't want to do it anymore. Hey, guys. Hello there. Hello. Great Shadow Legends. Hey, well, I'm here. Let me tell you guys about Raid Shadow Legends. Oh, you know that game. I heard about that game on the YouTube. Can you get me free thousand coins? Yes, but only if you join my team. Oh, wait, I joined someone else's team already. Well, go fuck yourself and Raid Shadow Legends. I didn't want to legitimately actually play Raid Shadow Legends. You must do, right? I'm thinking about doing the game. It turns out it's literally got a zero player base. So just everyone just talks about playing it. That's all it is. Everyone's like, you play it, right? You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I played yesterday. I might sign up using the link in my description. And maybe you'll run into me, except you never will. Because no one plays this. You're as high a player base as YouTube. YouTube is they've paid to play it. Yeah, I'm too busy playing the Walking Dead game with my favorite YouTubers over at. Oh, oh, yeah, that. Fuck, Wisecrack. That was it. Wisecrack. I'm too busy playing zombie hunters with. This is my favorite part. Yeah, it's my favorite part. Guys, they're shooting a bunch of people outside my windows. Scared. Oh, my God, I think I'll go there. Fireworks. What are you, a pussy? Grab a gun. Fireworks. I'm literally a vagina. Does firework, though? Really? Does it? Does firework? Oh, well, yeah, I hope it does. Four minutes until we celebrate the first of the streams entering into stream people entering into New Year's that before TX, he lives in that weird place. What is it, Sweden, I think you said? Sweden, Sweden, Sweden, Sweden, Sweden, Sweden, Sweden, Sweden. He's not correcting you. So I guess that's true. Yeah, if you guys ever want to live raid shadow legends, you can go to Sweden. And this fucking better be a sponsored stream. They better pay you for this, because you've probably done more work for raid shadow legends. Pay us for making fun of your video game. There is there's at least one person in our audience watching this or will watch the reupload and they'll go, what is that rate? You don't fuck it. I'm going to download this audience who loves raid shadow legends. Yeah, they're just crying quietly. Favorite games. Guys, you haven't played it. Why are you making fun of it? You haven't played it. I can't hear us ripping on it. And it's just a single tear falls down their cheek. I have heard that people I've looked at some of the reviews of it and people say like that they did play it and they played it for three months or something and spent five hundred dollars on it because it's apparently just a glorified gambling or it's got it all kind of free. Well, yeah, I mean, they're all glorified gambling. But like it's you just put it you put in a quarter. You put in a quarter or whatever to try and get a new hero. And that's that's how they get people hooked on it. I can't complain. I play a mage on game all the time on my phone. At least that's a game, though, you know, it's free to walk into the casino. The best part, though, isn't that it's free. The best part was that me and Rags watched one of the several different ads for it at one point. And one of them was like, you could unlock the ability to skip over parts of the game. It's like, yeah, what? Actually, an inherent feature that that they have some YouTubers promote, which is that it has an auto play function. Yeah, that was it. You can just go to battles. That's so crazy. Why would you put that in your ads? Don't worry, guys. You can skip it. Mega Man tried that at one point. This game is so great that you could pay to not play it. Imagine being one of those poor schmucks that like spends five hundred plus dollars on a game and then when the servers inevitably go down, it's just like each shitfucker. I mean, I have a leg is too bad. You know, legends are probably people who buy micro transactions and fallout. Seventy six. What's that meme where it has like an interchangeable set of words for three things and it's like, you know, war, clam, battle, shadow, rage, all these different words. And there's just like a billion games with all this. These words just changed in different ways. Clash of clans. Oh, that's one of them. Yeah. Clash of kigs. Clat. Well, that's a fucking game of throw the shit out of the game. I have some people that are like, I don't know. Yeah. So when the clash of clans, they were they would talk about it all the time at the strategies and the different units to have and the arrangement of things and the clan wars that they would have and how some people weren't pulling their weight. And they needed to rearrange the rosters. I'm like, shit, man, this is cutthroat. This clash of clans, it's down. If I have a cat like that, I'm not a civilian ass. I always get I'll shoot you with my mini guns. Can I choose which one? Oh, I have a new gun coming this week, so I'll break it in. Oh, shit, man. What? What you getting? I'm getting. I got a bazooka. I'm getting an AR 15 and 7.62 by 39 in the bump stock. So I got it. Got a good deal going to be here later. When are you buying a flamagah? A flamagah, huh? I'm an old. I don't. Shit, when you're going to get the M4A1 to celebrate, Goldie, Monofil. Oh, no, I don't want to ever see that gun again in any video game ever. We've said it before, but I want to highlight once again that Halo fucking murdered Cool of Duty, like within our community, if you will, of people who play video games. Like nobody Halo came out and it's just like, what happened to cards? Like it's dead. Go away. Fuck God. Yeah, I am. I've been here earlier. But when the stream started, you know, I might do it again. You're right. When you think you'll next play Call of Duty. Say, what will I next play Call of Duty? Wait, didn't you? Wasn't your goal to get to level 50 so that you could review it? Did you review it after? I've got the review pretty much lined up to do. I just have to actually do it. But I've got kind of everything you know, you still have to touch that game. Yeah. No, I don't have to touch it ever again. I've got all the footage I need. Oh, I think I might revisit it because they did the whole they release that season where you could buy like you could spend money to have your Katie tracked in game and stupid shit like that. Happy New Year for tier. Woohoo. Happy New Year. You know, you made it. I'm the next one up with Jay in an hour from now. How exciting. Oh, I need. And me. Yeah. And guys, I made it into 2020. What a thought. Whoa, you're speaking to us from the future. Does everyone drive super fast cars? Yeah, and they drive upside down for some reason. Oh, my God. That's epic. I know you just said you don't know why, but can you tell us why? Oh, yeah, is India a superpower yet? They already had their New Year. It's 2020. Ironically, it's actually Germany. Believe it or not, what did they do? What did they do? Tell us. They took over, you know, that other country. They took over that country and then it just exploded from there. Oh, my God. Another country. Yeah. No. Yeah. Well, as they say, third time's a charm. Maybe they do it just just for purely academic curiosity. How did they do it? So they took, you know, nuclear bombs. Yeah. Yeah. Not those. They took normal bombs and they used them. Like grenades or D4, they used Ellen. Ellen McGus and Ellen DeGeneres. Oh, long machine guns, light machine guns. Oh, long, long. It's because they have long barrels. They are. They do. They are long. Light machine guns are rather long. The average length of machine gun is six point. How many inches was it for the average? 13 centimeters. What is the average LNG length? 15 inches. You like carrying your LNG around. You're like, is mine like average length or is it big? OK, so I do always wonder about this. You know, just does every guy actually measure their deck at some point in their life? Because I know if I had one, I probably. I have, yeah. I don't understand the question. I use it as a ruler for everything. I measure things in my penis. How long is it across this desk? Well, it's approximately 16 penises. My deck. I mean, like how long some penis? Like, well, that is a complicated question. Well, let me. For another time, I'm going at approximately one thousand two hundred penises an hour. I'm OK in a universe where that is. To be fair, there's so many archaic measurement systems. Why not just measure things in deck? Exactly. And we already measure things in fucking feet. Yeah, penises are older than people. Most penises are longer than feet. They go there. Also, there's probably less discrepancy between all the penises than our penis is longer than feet. I don't think most. No, they're not. They are not Chinese woman. No way. I love to go to us and help because your tickets have smaller feet. Hey, hey, but this is this nifty, right? So your foot is as long as your elbow to your wrist. Yes. Do it. I know there's a lot of people in the audience right now pulling their chair back and they're lying in their fucking foot up with their elbow and their wrist and they're like, holy shit. You assume they have feet. That's ableist. I know. Oh, yeah, the average person has less than two feet. Yeah, you already established that. That's in the law. There are people born with two feet, though. I know. I have to push up any minds. I've just blown. Well, we have someone here. You're from Sweden, right? I am. You know, it's a well-established fact that Swedish people don't have legs. So that's I think that's very. How do you know that? What do they have instead? I just have PewDiePie to base it on. But I'm assuming it's all sweet. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to confirm or deny that because it's kind of a Swedish secret, so I kind of want to keep it We do have, like, what, over 3,000 people watching right now, so. Oh, my God. Imagine tuning into this show on New Year's Eve. Like, you must have nothing to do. That's the only reason I'm here is because I don't have anything to do. There's several people who are listening to this. It's like, what the fuck? Maybe I'll just go outside. There are probably a couple of people listening to this who that kind of hit. It's OK. That's why we're here. The people who don't have any way to go because me and Rags clearly have no way to go other than hate, no one's streaming. I mean, to be fair, what do people normally do on New Year's besides sit at home and drink? No, they go out and drink. Yeah. But then how do you get home? That whole offended foot comment. Maybe you have to pay for an Uber or whatever. You go out, you get you get drunk. Like a normal socially. The year passes. You're like, I haven't been home in a decade. I don't know about Uber, but I live in a city, so I can go to places to drink, but a close number of Uber here for sure. That whole that whole, like, no fee comment reminded me of like this old bit that they had on Game Grumps where they were making fun of like blind fans. They said, you know, I've said all our blind fans. They said, what are they going to do? I mean, they can do the thing where they hit the microphone symbol to talk out the words. I've got a study on the US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health for women's preferences for penis size. Oh, I probably read those study. Yeah, but yeah. So what are the findings? So I got to find it abstract. Women recall the abstract. That's like huge and every man goes on, man. It's a very abstract kind of dick. Women preferred a penis of slightly larger circumference and length for one time. Sexual partners. So yes, the first estimates of erect penis size preferences using 3D models suggest women accurately recall size and prefer penises only slightly larger than average. And using 3D models, like CGI. OK, tell us how the study is done, Jay. Well, I can tell you about some of the dick studies if you'd like to know. I would love to study some dick studies. I love to study dick. There have been a lot of very odd studies that have happened over the course of social science history. And a lot of what some of them have done, particularly in my my field is in the study of pornography. What they would actually do is attach an apparatus to the dick and then show men pornography to see how aroused they would get and stuff like that. But the problem is that a fundamental flaw in the methodology because when you're sitting in a laboratory with an apparatus strapped to your dick, I don't think you're going to get very reliable results. Oh, Aiden, did you hear about that one that was I thought was really interesting. They like did that exact method with a bunch of guys and they gave the control group the same one image of a girl and then they gave the experimental group like multiple images that they could choose any any day. And it's like for the control group, it took them longer every single time to reach climax with just the same image of the same woman. I mean, I haven't I haven't read that, but it doesn't sound surprising. And it's the same thing like the women's preference thing. Women say that they want larger than average. Women are hypergrammas, so they want basically better than they can probably get. Like if you look at the data on dating website stuff, I didn't mean for this to become I'm going to talk about studies, but don't ever don't tempt me, rags. You know this, you start talking about studies. You know, it's interesting. I like hearing this. It always leads to penis. I was going to say penis told me to go for it. But no, like women, women find only like 10 percent of the most attractive men acceptable, whereas men tend to have a pretty wide latitude of acceptance for what kind of date. Well, I'm bisexual and I could I guarantee that my standard for women is lower than it is for men in terms of attractive. This I don't know. Jay just piggybacking off rags as rules. They can't come up with your own. Wow, it is very true. Probably because well, I don't even know what your physical standard for it's higher for women or for men. It's it's higher than I don't know. I'd say my I'm also buying. I think my physical standards higher for women. I just in terms of because I don't like women's personalities most of the time. That sounds so bad. Wow, I'm off of women. I am offended. Oh, my God. Also high metal commander in chat. I just need to. I need to why at all immortal. This is an interesting study of skimming through it. I'm here to defend all women. I learned today that rags like dick just now. I want to say, yeah, just now I didn't know that you put that in a book. He's like, fuck. Yeah, I'm trying my in your journal. Today, did you guys happen to read the study that has been coming up again recently that shows that no, that no, not that 13 is also 50, although that is true, but that's that all of the negative Star Wars last Jedi reviews were due to Russian bots. Yeah, I read that. Yeah, I heard that that came out. That was actually three years old. I looked into the researcher who did it and I'm working on a my next video that'll come out. I'm about halfway done with it. I had to even contact the researcher because I kind of felt like what I was doing was mean. And if I think it's mean, then it might be actually like really mean. This researcher just finished his doctoral dissertation and he worked on what he was cited in that paper and they were using the same flawed methods. So in other words, no, Russian bots did not down. We're not the ones harassing Ryan, the round head, Johnson, in other words. That was our last hope for proving the movie wasn't bad. They cited it as they said 50 percent in some of the in some of the articles on it. They said 50 percent. Some of them said all of it. But at the uppermost echelon, it was six percent were believed to potentially be bought. Have you seen reviews for a Star Wars? TROS, like Beat or Axe, watched a video on that. It was quite amusing. Like they've got a shit ton of reviews that are just like one sentence that are like, I love film, film good. I love 10 stars. An epic ending to the saga, a great ending to the saga. Yeah, notice that all of the reviews say the saga, the saga, the saga. Yeah, I watched I watched that video on Reddit. I would be curious to see like a control group. Like I would be interested in the data for like other popular movies. It's. Well, I'm not saying like because I think the reason why something like that gets uploaded on Reddit, like it was an interesting video. It wasn't exactly persuasive to me, but I still think that it's pretty obvious that, you know, Disney is a big company. Of course, they're going to buy reviews. Like that's I mean, the killer thing is just to be more interested in seeing like a control group to compare. Yeah, review, body and happens either way. Review, body or or brigade in whatever you want to call it. It's going to happen in both directions. But it seems that with I would say with The Last Jedi, they they either bought out in some way because we know they again, we know they do this. Like it's not like a tinfoil hat thing. We we know they spend money on marketing to do this kind of stuff. It seemed like in The Last Jedi, they tried to buy out the reviewers. People didn't like that. So now they're going to try to influence the audience score. And I mean, you know, I guess they're going to do what they're going to do to try to make money. Yeah, yeah, I have no idea. We really it's really speculate. But obviously, when there's a lot of money behind something, you have to assume that, you know, on a on a public forum like the Internet, why and why would just the factory in India to create accounts? Yeah, why not? Well, or I mean, because with Rotten Tomatoes, at least, it's these the verified ones. So they have to have gone to the theater, but there was sketchy stuff was solo that looked like they were buying tickets. And so if you're buying tickets through, I guess Rotten Tomatoes uses Fandango or whatever. So they buy they spend a certain portion of their market budget. And the market budget's supposed to be the cost of the movie that I as far as I know, that's supposed to be what their market budget is. So whatever cost to make the movie, that's then what your marketing budget is over again. So of course, they've got how much did the Rise of Skywalker cost to make four hundred million dollars? So you've got a four hundred million dollar marketing budget? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm just just I would be shocked if they didn't try to influence the score. It's all I think. Yeah. And I think they could have done a way better job because it being frozen 86 makes everyone just go, hmm, like Rotten Tomatoes is a company that was super suspicious. If they had let it fluctuate, I think there'd be way more reason to be like, no, I'm sure it's fine. Yeah, the stability is statistically almost impossible. Is it because I'm not familiar with the data. That's why I'd like to see a control group, because it's it's my impression that like the more total ratings that you have, the harder it would be to actually get it to change percentage points. Stuck at 86, 86 thing is definitely suspicious. Well, yeah, it was like 1,000. Yeah, that's true. We'll have to 50 K, right? At this point, when there's there's what, a half a million user ratings at this point? Yes, getting that to fluctuate would be difficult. But in the beginning, when there were, you know, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50,000 reviews that we saw almost no fluctuation is what made it suspicious at first. And then the fact that it's maintained that that precise consistency is just a little bit odd. I think that what's sorry, didn't mean to answer it. It's just like, just just having a big think about it. You know, I am I'm less suspicious at the unchanging number and more suspicious at how drastically different that is towards anyone's perception of the film that you talk to either on the internet or in real life. Because like, I don't think anybody enjoyed the movie really like it's very weird. So for that to be 86 with that many votes, I would say that's more suspicious than just the number staying the same the whole time. The fact it's an 86. I like that everybody agrees on that. Like 86 is too high, just seems too high. I don't know. I think there are some people who who really were drawn in by I know the media likes to call it fan service. I didn't see a lot of the supposed fan service. But I guess I could see some people happy that it just wasn't the last Jedi. I guess they refer into just the simple stuff like lightsabers base battles. Is that what they mean? I mean, that wasn't really weren't any. I don't know what it is. I what I'm even trying to think because I kept hearing that. Oh, there's so much fans. There's Oh, I'm sure Palpatine Chewie gets the metal. Yeah, Palpatine's back. Chewie gets the metal like really very similar level. Just Oh, I remember that thing. That's a thing that I know. So I like the death star, which is what JJ does. That's his entire shtick as a direct. Like, I would agree if they'd had Jar Jar in the movie, but, you know, that wasn't even wasn't even hinted at. Darn Jar Jar is what I was waiting for. And that's ultimate fan service. I actually think that I would have enjoyed the movie a lot more if he was in it. We want more Jar Jar. We've already said that we would know it's an inside meme about it. But like, I'm talking like legitimately, man. Like I'm kind of desperate for some Jar Jar at this point. He would have genuinely been more enjoyable if Jar Jar. Like, imagine a really high death Jar Jar at this point, bringing him in and he's and he's like grizzled like a veteran of the Klo-Wars. And he's like, the voice has gotten deeper, like not deep, just deeper. It honestly kind of reminds me of like, if any of you are familiar with Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid 2, they have Raiden, who is just like the least popular character in Metal Gear game ever. And then Hideo Kojima just did everything he could to make Raiden like this cool badass cyborg ninja that everyone loves. It's like they could totally pull that off with Jar Jar. They could bring Jar Jar back and maybe mellow out some of his speech patterns a little bit and give him just like a dark back story, like what's been happening to him since the prequels. You know, like how it's like, oh, can you fix, you know, can you make the third in this trilogy and fix it all? It's like, that's not a fun job. A fun job would be trying to make a good character out of Jar Jar. He'd be like, oh, yeah, let's do it. That sounds like a really fun creative job to have to do. But it would have been way more interesting if pretty much there's so I think there's so many things that could have been done, even with what Jar Jar, I might not mean JJ Abrams had to work with, going into it. But how it would have, I think that if you went to a fan service, when Kylo walks into the upside down space pyramid or whatever, and it's just Darth Jar Jar, how much better would that have? Oh, I would have come. Me, sir, been waiting a long time for these. I would fucking love that. But see, like, ironically, though, I'm pretty sure the critics of whatever else we like stars lost its mind. And we'd all be like, it lost its mind ages ago. Fucking Force Awakens lost its mind. Jar Jar was just the natural progression. OK. If we can get him working, you know, that's all we really needed to do. Did you guys see that YouTube video that like tries to theorize that he was Snoke and it shows him doing that big jump in Phantom Menace? It's like this is clearly a Jedi force jump. And like, like the way his eyes look. And it was just like, this is the definitely leaving clues as to the the Sith Lord origins of Jar Jar Big. So the fact that he gave Palpatine the power, it's like, you see, it all makes sense. And I would have, you know what? I would have said that they were bold to take that route. And I would have been proud of them. I think the biggest problem is that there's just so many things that they could have done without completely backtracking. You know, the problem was that they went back on everything that that they went back on everything that the round headed one did, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But then it pisses off of everyone who did like that movie, the like five people who did. And then it's just the same disgusting nostalgia pandering, which is weak in and of itself that made people kind of like the Force Awakens and there's not a real movie there. And all I can say is much as with Game of Thrones, as that went down the shitter, as someone who had my favorite series ruined by JJ Abrams 10 years ago, welcome to the fucking funeral. Well, everybody felt that he'd already ruined it with Force Awakens. Oh, I say everybody like superstars fans felt like Force Awakens had fucked everything up already. But I think that at this point, yeah, most people would agree. The sequel to this. Nobody likes all three films in sequel trilogy. All right. I think that Force Awakens could have been OK if the next two films built off of it. And then we can kind of say, well, that one was weak because it was trying to just, you know, this is what everyone says about it. Right. Oh, it's trying to reinvigorate interest. It was trying to set the stage. It was trying to get everyone's nostalgia up. Then maybe it could have been all right if the next two films built off of it, but they didn't. And so it makes every single movie in the sequel trilogy, which can you even call it a trilogy? It's just a big cluster fuck. The sequel cluster fuck. Ah, why did you get so loud? Jay, what do you do? I saw people say I was quiet. So I boosted my volume. Is it too much? Now, I got to boost you all the way back down. That's what I thought you had to boost it up. Oh, yeah, your normal volume to me, you sound good. Oh, also, saying that they had a chance with TFA. E.R. disagrees with that start debate. Dude, do it. We all want to see it, do it. Oh, or we could debate. We could discuss Steins' Gate because everyone always complains you don't talk here. All right, we'll do Steins' Gate if you want. What the fuck is the rest of us going to do? Now you know how we feel. I'll go back to reading. We're talking about Star Wars. I mean, reading penis studies isn't that different from watching Steins' Gate or... Oh, shit. Oh, damn. We've got a broached subject. He thinks there's no hope after TFA, don't you? Do it. Do your argument. Go. True. I mean, it was just trash from the start. I agree. You're only going off of trash. So I don't think the other two could have had a chance. If I think you could have had any direction. If TFA was what it was and and Jar Jar had written two additional movies or had someone because he can't write at all. I don't know why anyone gives him the reins on the stuff. But if you had someone write three movies. Oh, yeah. See, I... What do you eat yourself? Three movies. Maybe you could have come back if you could have come back. No, it would have all been garbage. I mean, I think it would have been garbage no matter what because of who was helming it and what. And let's be honest, what Disney's purpose was and all of this, which is what if we had the perfect writer and director? Do you think it could have been good? Yes. Sure, I look at the Mandalorian. I Mandalorian is I just finished watching it tonight. So I'm a little bit hype. I wouldn't say the Mandalorian is perfect, but it's pretty good. It it it makes me feel like I'm kind of playing in an old republic game, which I like. Or watching any of any Kurosawa movie plus a Tarantino film, but a little bit less tight in terms of construction. I like the Mandalorian. What's your guys all overwhelming consensus now that it's over? I think it's crap. I'm never going to watch it. Crap. Oh, really? I don't know what Adam said. There's two or three episodes. I'm not a Star Wars person. And I don't really feel like giving money to Disney Plus. Also, I gave money to Disney. Yeah, there's other ways to get it. But it's just like I'm just like I'm not. I'm not hyped about any of it. I don't care about the characters at all. I'm just it's not a. About Bobby Frick. You don't care about Bobby Frick. There's other universes that I like. Adam, can we agree that can we agree that Mass Effect is infinitely more compelling than the Star Wars universe? Well, yeah, personally, I would agree. I would agree as well. Star Star Wars is not even fixed. I was like three movies that are OK. I feel like Warhammer 40 K is more grounded now than Star Wars is 40 K is inherently. Well, it's it's it coins the phrase grim dark. So of course, it's going to be a bit more darker and grounded, like, I guess, in its own weird. I mean, grounded in that, it has like rules. Yeah. And it follows its own rules. And no matter how wacky and zany they are, crazy. It's like, well, you do this, do that. This thing happens with that. And that does this and hear the rules for that. And I'm like, man, Star Wars does whatever the fuck it wants. Even Star Trek, which which has broken its own rules a lot went at least in before enterprise. And let's just ignore everything post enterprise. They used to have consultants on a lot of whom were just fans on the show to maintain the consistency of the lore and the science. And that's why talks shit about Voyager all you want. I love Voyager, but it's got some really bad episodes. But most of the Star Trek series, at least, yeah, they set rules and they follow them. And that's to me what makes Star Trek a good sci-fi universe. And what makes Warhammer a good sci-fi universe. Halo is also an excellent sci-fi universe. Yes, seriously, it's not hard to beat Star Wars at this point. Like it's not a good bar. I'm sorry. Well, it's just like, look, we agree that Star Wars is mediocre. It's not even mediocre anymore. It's garbage. Terrible. I think we have to look at at what the premise of Star Wars is, which is that George Lucas wanted talked to his, you know, Pal, oh, God, his name is escaping right now. Why is a hero's journey here with a thousand faces? And here's how you write. Yes, Joseph Campbell. Thank you. I don't know why that escaped me for a moment, but I'm not even drinking. But I'm a that's a good idea. I made a lot of sales. So I've got so loud again. Am I loud? OK, I'm fine. I haven't changed anything this year. You're a YouTuber. Jay, you discussed everything about. I just have a loud and vibrant personality. You're a acoustic surgeon. I think that's a lot of it. He lives in a toilet. Oh, that might be it. You need acoustic tiles like Quinton. I mean, my parents asked it right now. But that's that's how you've made it as a YouTuber when you put foam tiles on your. But I went half of my fucking room as acoustic tiles. But I used to have them. I don't have them here, but whatever. So not during shade for real. But, you know, George was just trying to tell his silly little story and what's the other sci-fi series that George Lucas made that's actually. Hang on. T.H.X. One, one, three, eight. I mean, like he has some talent for ideas. He just has no idea how to put them together. And so Star Wars was never set up to be anything more than one film. And now there's eleven of them. That's why it doesn't work. You just made a bunch of arguments for how it could have worked. You just need talent. Like, yeah, I was going to say, we cannot state how much the people who have been in charge of the recently have been terrible. The universe is excellent for being able to build long trilogies in series. Well, sure. The EU, like, and co-pore are two of my favorite games of all time. Knights of the Old Republic. One and two, even two in its unfinished state. Fantastic video games. Yeah, Disney's just like, oh, JJ, revered storyteller, Star Wars now. I will agree. I'm sure you guys all saw the Red Letter Media Review and discussion they have about. Did you? Yeah, I will. Or at least you've probably seen some of Red Letter Media's stuff over the year. And I will agree that when when Mike reviewed Star Wars 2000 or Star Trek, excuse me, Star Trek 2009, and he said he thought JJ Abrams would be good at directing Star Wars. I agreed with him because when I watched Star Trek 2009, I thought this feels like a Star Wars movie to me. And that's why I hated it, because it's like this is not a Star Trek movie. This is like a this feels like Star Wars. It's very character based. It's very team oriented. It's very emotional and and actually, which feels like Star Wars, not like Star Trek. But then we saw what happened. So whatever they clarified. They still think he's fine for directing. Just keep away from the script, which is what I've always said about Ryan Johnson. I think they both find directors. Keep them away from the script, though. They're not allowed to touch it. Yeah, 100 percent. It's not great, but it's OK. Did any of you catch knives out? I haven't yet. No, I I will watch it. I heard it was good. Yeah, it seemed like a kind of by the books sort of clue to ask things when I heard it. Yeah, well, it's kind of like an homage. It's kind of like a throwback to to those kinds of stories. But, you know, there's some twists and turns. It subverted my expectations, if you will. Oh, boy, it was pretty good. I mean, it's good. No, I mean, that's not why it's good. I know I was doing this. But when the director is a who'd done it in the first place, like you shouldn't you shouldn't be able to tell what how the story is going to end. And so in that sense, it succeeded. But yeah, it was also like well shot and well put together. But would you would you say that you think that Ryan can be a confident director when he I never thought that he was shit. And I, you know, I have my own criticisms with Looper and last Jedi. I haven't seen Brick yet, but like he's for sure competent. It's just not everything works out. You know, Looper was good for what it was. I think that it kind of contradicts its own rules in terms of how the universe is set up. But yeah, that was my biggest problem. I've never thought that Ryan Johnson was like a terrible director. I think that that much like with George Lucas, all of these people just needed someone to reign them in and actually write it and keep them in check so they don't do absolutely stupid stuff. You could say that I would say that that more so would apply to him taking like previously existing intellectual properties, honestly, because when it comes to his own ideas from what I've seen, like he's pretty competent at expressing his ideas and making something decent out of it. But when it comes to taking a property like Star Wars, you probably don't want someone just doing their own thing with it. You probably want to have it be a little bit more, you know, faithful to what the overall, I guess, tone and goals of the series were before joint joining it. It's like you've got a building and you want to get in addition to it. You want an architect to make that addition to build something that matches the rest of the building, matches its aesthetic and its style. Well, big problem is they throughout all of the EU, right? They throughout all of the book. Oh, then Kathleen Kennedy's hilarious statement about that. Yeah, I mean, you know, the whole like they copy stuff from the EU anyway, like they almost threw it out just so they could repurpose. But then I thought Britain throughout the EU. We're trying to get there in a few million years. Yeah, so average penis length. We guys heard of Brexit. Yes, that thing that everybody seems to both want and not want TV show. Our wixit. Why aren't people talking about Dexit from Pokemon Sword and Shield? This is the fucking real questions or Diglett. You happen to see that really. The average Diglett length. Oh, I don't think that average Diglett length. Because as far as I know, they're all a bunch of buff guys underneath the surface. Yeah, that's what I've heard. All right, Diglett, I'm going to go to Bulbapedia. All right, what is it called? It is Bulbapedia dot Bulbapedia dot net. So that's the real shit. That's the real shit. Height. Um, they're only about. It is. They're only a lot. So the average Diglett is longer than the average penis by a considerable amount. So you can fuck it. What does this mean? So what now? Humanity. It doesn't say anything. Diglett dig, diglett dig. Trio, trio, trio. By the way, the gender ratio is exactly 50 percent male 50. So is there perpetual struggle snuggle going on underneath the surface for both struggle and female? Don't you? Struggle snuggle. Is that one of its four moves? Is struggle snuggle? Yeah, definitely. No, I wish. As a Pokemon fan, I have to say that is clearly not. That is to be fair. Any Pokemon can struggle when they're out of pee pee. Yes, that is true. And it's true. Oh, fuck. Oh, wait, there are several people asking for E.R.'s perspective on the snuggle struggle. E.R., what is what would you like to say on that? How do the diglets procreate that they're both digs? There's a lot of questions that one's a feminine penis. Philosophical podcast. I have a very big question as well. How come in the in Pokemon Sword and Shield, they brought back Whale Lord, but there's no skitty. I don't know what those words mean. So yeah, how come they brought back sock and throw? No, if you don't know about this is a very old internet meme or whatever, a Pokemon meme, I guess, which is that Whale Lord is the same Whale Lord is canonically like 300 feet long or something ridiculous. It's a whale. OK. He is a true massive and you can breed a Whale Lord with a skitty, which is one of the smallest Pokemon in the Pokedex. It's a little cat thing. And so a lot of them, let's just say creative images to pick on the mating of these two creatures. Sources, please. No, goodness. Just. Well, Google is your friend, sir. What do I need to Google this? Whale Lord Ex-Skitty. You'll find some. It's like a Chihuahua meeting with a Grand Dane. It's 25 minutes until 2020 for me. And you're going to soil the year immediately. Yeah, no. Soil the decade. Immediately, the current year, the current year, the stuff. Wait, you can you can breed a Whale Lord in a skitty. Yes, that's fucked up. That seems like laws must be breached there. I don't I'm just somewhat. The question is, which is the male and which is the female? And how does this work? That's very heteronormative of you. I know that. Excuse me. I'm very sorry. I really hope Whale Lord is the female for the other quadrillion genders. I apologize. No, no, no, no, no, no. You forgot to account for what if they're having babies by being gay? That's what I was asking. Yeah, they have but babies. Oh, but babies. I didn't think about the but I, you know, I don't, you know. You should always think about the but. Pokemon is a very insensitive game because I don't think you can mate two Pokemon of the same sex together, which is really just. I mean, it's almost 2020. It's 2020 in Sweden, friends. And in Australia, it's 2020 in Sweden. Yeah. So are all Pokemon born out of eggs? Yeah, effectively, yes. There's different types, though, that have. I haven't cared about Pokemon in. Not me, too. You're better off. I can't believe you say bad things about Pokemon. I played Sword and Shield very recently, and it was thoroughly mediocre. So it's a Pokemon game. Yeah, I don't. I've been going through the Pokemon games on my stream, and I don't know if I'm going to play past Crystal. Which one is Crystal? You could go play Omega Ruby on Alpha Sapphire. Those were pretty fun. Ruby, yeah. But it's just like it's like like a different version of blue and red. Here's here's the funny thing, though. One that might have been everyone that might have been. Oh, no, George, you are. Oh, God. Is that in the game? That's apparently. Oh, no, Jar Jar. Game is that is that a mod? This was full set least. I guess it looks like full set least on fucking, I don't know, Game Boy or some shit with this aspect ratio. Oh, that's Jar Jar. That could be. Are you saying all gun guns look the same? Yeah, that's true. That is fucked up. Wow, that's super racist. That's very racist. Wait, oh, that was the final one. This stream is getting increasingly. I heard that, Jay. Sounds like someone's fucking knocking down your door. OK, I'm in an attic right now. I think it's fireworks. He's had their attack. And there are like the the angle of the one window in this room is perfect to see the fireworks. It's like it's like they're on my TV. Yeah, you've got really excited. You're like, oh, it's just that crumbest day. The uprising is finally happening. Is this Brexit? Twenty twenty into the blue. Yeah, I think you're going. I can I can send pictures. Oh, no, I can't. My phone is. I want to say 1776 will commence again, but that's not appropriate for this one. 1776 will commence again. Those were a bit for sure. So, guys, what's the the best film of this decade? Her directed by Spike Jones. Yes, I actually open it. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I like that movie a lot. Good stuff. I actually watched that with Rags. Rags, remember? No way. No, no, that was pretty good. I watched it with Wolf. He liked it a lot. Is that what the guy who falls in love with the computer? Yeah, yeah. The inside falls in love with his mind going. I did like her, but I'm going to unapologetically knowing how bad and how cheesy it is. Say the void. I don't care. It was everything that I wanted. It was it was just a cluster fuck. Oh, man, the void. Yeah, I've seen it. You like the thing? I like the other thing. See, the thing is amazing. The void was pretty nonsensical to me and I'm a fan of Lovecraft. I didn't really see it as a Lovecraft movie. I saw it more as a body horror film. I would say that it was I really liked it. I liked the aesthetics. I liked how stupid it was. And I'll completely admit that, like, it's a movie that's full of flaws. But I guess I'm a really big horror fan, so I'm always going to go with horror. And I've been so let down by so many horror movies. I could say a good bet for the worst movie the last 10 years is Midsummer. What a let down. I haven't seen it. I've just hit too many bad things off of true story. There there's things to appreciate about it, for sure. It doesn't I would say if your expectations are to get any kind of experience out of it that you would get from hereditary, then that's probably just going into it with the wrong ideas. But it has very different goals. I wouldn't call it a horror movie. And the fact that it was marketed that way doesn't help. Unfortunately, A24, them being kind of like a smaller distributor studio. They're stuck in a situation where they produce a lot of like really atypical horror movies because they give a lot of creative freedom to the directors that they work with. And time and time again, they wind up marketing their films in ways that are just purely dishonest because the only way that people are actually going to watch these types of horror films is if you market it in a way where it's like, okay, this is like a more typical standard by the books horror film when they're not. And the same thing happened with It Comes at Night. The same thing. Oh, I loved It Comes at Night though. Yeah, but people had the same issues with that in terms of like the way it was marketed was not what the movie was at all. Well, I think it depends on what you want out of a horror film. What I want out of a horror film is not, yeah. No, I just thought it was nonsensical. I mean, actually, I'll put up two other movies that I would say for best of the last decade. I'd say The Witch and I would say The Sphere. I love The Witch. I love The Witch. And so people have been mentioning Whiplash. Whiplash is fucking great as well. Can I say this was not at all in the last decade. In fact, it was approximately 13 years ago, but have any of you seen the movie Bug? No. No. I watched it a long time ago and did not enjoy it. It was fucking atrocious. They marketed it as like a horror movie and it was like psychological horror and it's just, it's bad in every conceivable way. Yeah. I don't remember much, but I remember it was one of those movies where like the budget was so low that it was so noticeable. Like nothing really happened. It was just like two people in a room or something. I don't remember too much. I watched it when I was like much younger. I feel like psychological horror is so hard to market because you're not going to get the crowd that wants to go in to get the jump scares. And there's a bunch of research on this that it's actually, it's very interesting. Dr. Dolph Zillman has decades of research that the jump scare slash or horror genre is kind of designed as a weird way to replicate a human mating ritual where the partners be they man, woman, boyfriend, girlfriend, boyfriend, boyfriend, whatever, it doesn't matter. They go together to watch the movie so that one person can pretend or can be the strong one and display this stuff. No, really, like they've done all this research on it. It's super interesting. No, I'm just intrigued. I'm not doubting. It is, because it's really neat. It's neat research and it's Dr. Dolph Zillman looking to his research on horror, but when it's psychological stuff, you're not going to get that in like with the witch, for example, you're there's not going to be that. Oh, grab me, honey. I'm feeling scared. Can you post that doctor's name in the Discord chat? Yeah. I want to look into him. Now I'm getting flesh of the void as suggested as well as Baskin. Baskin Robbins. I just think that like the only problem with the only problem with psychological horror is that there's nothing wrong with it. Like it's entirely different breed. It's more. Yeah, we know Chase. It's not even when I was treating him. But show what I would seriously do. Come on, like, no, we know why you don't like it. It's fine. No, they market it as like jump scare horror. And so people go in expecting. Yeah. And then they're like, no, I have to think about this. It's just not anywhere as riveting as they make it look in the trailers. Because like in bug, for example, they show a lot of close up shots on the trailers of bugs crawling on people's skin 2007. And they show a lot of you're made to you're made to think that it's like actually going to be a movie about like flesh eating bugs, like eating you from the inside. But it's just a metaphor for like paranoia by the end of the movie spoilers. And you want to say I mean, there's all kinds of movies. Like I love like Mungo too. And that's the kind of stuff where you're not going to sell that to anybody. Mm hmm. I don't know how you would sell it. Oh, and Tomahawk. I don't see that. No, I saw it. I honestly, sorry if this disappoints you, but I don't understand why anyone likes that director. I'm not I'm not like I'm not behind him at all. I've tried so many times. Oh, I had loads of mixed feelings about the film. I there are things I like things. It was a little goofy, like it's if you like gore, it's like, yeah, it delivers on some gore. There's some cool gore parts, but it's just I I couldn't really take it seriously. I didn't feel much from the film. What about the brawl and cell block thirty three or whichever one he did with Vince Vaughn? I'm in this weird kind of area where I don't like body horror, really. But I'm fascinated with stuff like the thing. What about the fly? Oh, yeah. And the fly, right? I would recommend then that I didn't think about till just now is the headhunter, a small budget movie, not perfect, but very good. And then the hollow headhunter. Maybe two years old. It's pretty recent. And then the hollow, which is an Irish film, fantastic. It's it's a really great mixture. I mean, again, it's not perfect, but what movie is and it's got lots of flaws. But I really loved that film in terms of just it's got great body horror, in particular, the hollow. It's about the fey realm kind of stuff and coaching in on our universe sort of. And it corrupts everything around it. Very cool. Very interesting stuff. You guys ever see what was it? You were talking about a bug earlier. You remember the old short, short film thingy they creep up on you? That's so many films. Well, that's the name of it, you saying? They creep up on a short film. They creep up. That's literally the name of the movie. They creep up on you. OK, it was like part of a it was like part of a spooky anthology thing on TV. And that was one of about a guy who bugs and stuff like actually like bugs. And I think if anyone had. Seen it or not, I don't know. No way, Aiden, have you seen The Fly? Oh, yeah, of course. What do you think of that? Because that's like my top pick for body horror. I mean, The Fly is a great film. But it's with with classic horror like that. Yeah, I I do want to default to the thing just because it's. It's interesting, actually, because the thing with The Fly. The thing with The Fly is that the whole story is the progress of a man's body slowly becoming his worst nightmare, while the thing is like it consumes and clones, and so it's not them anymore. And as much as I'm not saying it doesn't count as body horror, I'm just saying that it gets a lot of it gets me. That's that's why I said it's not that I don't count as that. It's that it gets to me on a more personal level when it's like the guy is trapped inside this body that's becoming a fly, as opposed to this alien creature that's essentially trying to kill everyone. If you like, if you like The Fly is a film, there is a horror short film by my favorite director, Shiraishi Koji, called Kaiki Shinin Shojo, or Dead Girl Walking. And it is about a girl who dies and then her body just starts rotting. And that's the movie is just about that. It's it's a it's one of his I think it's his directorial debut. It's a really good short film. Shiraishi Koji is probably better, most well known for doing Noroi the Curse, and then he's done. He did a movie called Holt and Cold. Oh, what do you think? Have you seen Noroi? Adam, I'm interested in your opinion. If you I'm going to have to be it to make sure I'm thinking of the the right one, maybe my favorite horror movie of all time. It's it's like three hours and nothing happens. And that's why I like hold on. It might be on my watch footage. It's what we're talking about. We've said I don't want to understate, by the way, the thing is like one of my favorite films of all time. That shit is amazing. I love the thing. I still see that in Eraserhead. That those are on my watch. I see Eraserhead. Well, you haven't seen the thing. No, then Noroi the Curse. Oh, I was going to say, how the fuck would that have happened? We need to get a movie. Things my favorite horror movie. I think I want to ask when do you think? Shit, I'm blanking on his name right now, but the guy that made like spiral Junji Ito, what do you think Junji Ito went from like kind of like a subcultural phenomenon to like super popular mainstream? Because I feel like the last three years or so he's really exploded. He kind of just became a meme, which I don't think people have read a lot of Junji Ito's actual and I think that by the way, I fell asleep on while you guys were streaming the other day and I woke up like randomly at five in the morning. And I think he or someone asked you that question and you said you'd read a couple of his stuff and I think that's pretty difficult. I'm a guard for you and really brought it into the mainstream with the whole like this whole was made for me. But I one of the things I recommend to people is his series where he talks about his daily life. It's a it's a manga with his cats and his cats and it's just horrifying. But yeah, Junji Ito, I think what happened is he gained mainstream attention because some of his stuff kind of just became memeable, I guess, in a way. And I mean, there were good adaptations. There were not good. There were OK adaptations of the animation. Yeah, yeah, I personally love Uzumaki, the the live action film just because it's hilarious. But can I just say, though, I'm really happy to have like people on this fucking podcast that know what anime is. And don't just go, we're going to talk about Star Wars now. We're going to talk about Star Wars now. Well, we haven't heard about Star Wars in like three in the house. I mean, I'm biased. My favorite anime is the best. Fair enough. Well, there's a picture of the anime in the shot. Yeah, I know this fireworks, but it sounds like someone's like beating their wife fucking. It looks like someone's taking a noodle and slapping the water. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's so. Yes. Oh, it was that was so clever that we knew that. If you hit something with something else, it makes a loud. Also, do you guys, did you ever have that moment when you realized how to splash more effectively as in most people just slam their fists down and splash in general? Your hands forward in a V shape towards somebody. Yeah. And you would it's super effective sniper in the pool. Yeah, you can go super far with it. They'd be like, what the fuck? You're like, yeah, I figured it out. My cousins and I would sit in our flotation devices and just all from separate corners of the pool just jump up and down. It was like we created fucking theories of waves. So loud. Sounds actually like gun violence at this point. Johnny lives in Chicago. Brexit is occurring. America. That's the Brexit noise. This chubby kid with a pool doodle, whacking it like crazy. This is rolling up. 2020 Brexit year. Yeah, some people have suggested chat. Nightcrawler, who he has seen nightcrawler. Nightcrawler is really good. Are you about to see that? Yeah, that shit was good. I mean, it wasn't great, but it was pretty good. Yeah, I think it ventures into great. It's almost there at very least. I don't have to see it again to know. I really enjoyed it. Obviously, the performance brought a lot to it. But yeah, this like like Jake Gyllenhaal is always great. I think he should have gotten Oscar nom for this, but like it was kind of. Nobody really saw it while I was in theaters and it and it only wound up getting picked up really on like home video when people finally covered it. That's what all the Dan Gilroy. Dan Gilroy, the director has been getting worse and worse and worse with each movie. And he's like, he's making like a really fast paced kind of M. Night, M. Night Shyamalan effect sort of thing. What movies did you just to catch me up? Nightcrawler was his first one. Okay, that was great. J. Friel Esquire, which nobody saw, but got like one Oscar nom for the performance. And then Velvet Buzz saw, which was just trash. I don't think I've ever heard of it. Oh, thank fucking God you think that. Seriously, I watched that two days ago with my family. I recommended it because people had recommended it to me. What the hell were they thinking with that movie? Like it feels like two movies slapped together. One wants to criticize art and art criticism. And the other one wants to have this weird film about how you can be killed by paintings. It was like a goosebumps story. Well, if you eat a painting, it will probably kill you. It was so bad. And it's not even like a terrible premise. I was like, oh, this could work. And then I was just like, bullshit. I was really excited to watch that movie. And you're saying it's bad, it makes me. I'm being told from a secondhand source sitting next to me that what's it called again? Velvet Buzzsaw. Velvet Buzzsaw. Velvet Buzzsaw. Velvet, I would just say it though. Velvet Buzzsaw is the road virus heads north for Game Boy. I have no idea. I can't confirm nor deny. Is that fucking Markiplier? What do you say? No, that's still Frankfurt, who that is. That's our DM. Still picking? He's still alive. Oh, what about Mandy? I enjoyed it. I'll probably watch it again. Like, get some drunk friends or whatever. But I think it had some pacing issues. I like how he said, oh, that's some pacing. Adam was very, very careful to say, I'll get some drunk friends instead of, I'll get some friends drunk and we'll see it. Yeah, yeah. Well, either way. You will collect them when they've already become drunk rather than drunken them. I will turn my friends from friends into drunk friends. Yeah, it's got a really interesting visual style. And if you liked the style of that movie, I would suggest checking out the director's other stuff. Like everything they make is very similar in that sense. But yeah, it kind of took a while to get going. I really loved the second half, but like... I literally fell asleep during the first half. And Edward was like, oh, it's amazing. You fell asleep during EFAP. Well, okay. Twice. But to be fair, that was like 18 hours. 18 hours. Yeah, a short stream, yeah. Just a short 18-hour stream. Yeah, just a quickie. Yeah, a one and done. Poppin' in and out. Yeah. Small stream of 18 hours. Just squeeze that out. I don't know. At this point, I will say this. Not only have I had a monster energy drink, but I've had a big cup of tea. So I'm good to go. Oh, man. Oh. Yeah, wassail tea, but whatever. All right, I don't know if anyone else here's seen it. We've talked about our favorite movies of the decade. My favorite movie is Masquerade from 2012. Okay. So, I don't know. Maybe Adam's seen it. I'm gonna IMDB it right now. Chu Changmin, as a director. Two Chinese men? So, there is evidence that I've seen it. There's evidence that I've seen it. Well, so, when I'm doing my big list of videos for the end of the year or whatever, I try to see every single movie that I could potentially consider to be on the list. And what winds up happening is, I only have so much time. So if a movie doesn't really grab me within the first 25 minutes, then I usually just turn it off and rate it a five on IMDB, not because it's a five, but because I know it's not gonna make my list sort of thing. So who knows, I could have been watching it and been like, this is all right, but no matter what it is after this point, it's not list worthy. We should watch that. Just basing, I don't know, just judging off of the cover of it, I feel like I've been a little bored by this type of movie. If this is the type of movie I think it is, of like Olde Asian War movies that, you know, just like, It's not a war movie. Battles, war, no, I don't know what it is. I don't remember what it was. But I do know what you're kind of talking about. There was a while I don't like the time period and setting based on like the old Chinese Dynasty stuff. Yeah, yeah, I got really bored in those types of movies. Yeah, there's very few of those that I enjoy. Stuff like War the Arrow, Great Wall, what an excellent movie I enjoyed watching Great Wall. That was I liked it. I did. I enjoyed it. I laughed at the trailers. Hey, we already agreed. We enjoyed parts of Rise of Skywalker. So yeah, we might want to Great Wall have an E-Fat movie. We should Great Wall E-Fat. We should Great Wall E-Fat. We're going to culturally appropriate the Great Wall movie. Velvet BuzzSaw, I was like, if it's stupid enough, we could E-Fat movies it. It's so crap that it couldn't even work for E-Fat movies. How could it be two crap for E-Fat movies? Because there's nothing to work with. Yeah, we make unicorn store work. Well, I honestly think. I'm so sorry. Yeah, well, you know. Why? But why? Because this was right after Captain Marvel. I mean, to be fair, it's like plain life is strange. We have Brie Lawson fans come at us. Yeah, the unicorn store was Brie Lawson's stain. Wow. Yeah, Brie Lawson can't do anything wrong. Captain Marvel 2 is going to break records. The best thing I can say about Rise of Skywalker is that Brie Lawson did not make a guest appearance in it. Because that was rumored for a bit before it came out. I was like, oh, really? She can play a show. C-3PO was great in Rise of Skywalker. He was the best character. But Babu. Babu Freck was great. Oh, under the skin was in this decade, by the way. I like that a lot. You know what? I like this decade was X-Mocking. I love that, too. Yeah, X-Mocking, that was pretty good. I liked Battle Angel Iolita. It wasn't great, but it was pretty decent action flick. I thought it was OK. It was faithfully adapted. I thought it was overrated. Faithfully adapted. If Wolf was here, he'd fucking eat you. I would not call it faithfully adapted. But I would say that it was considering it came out the same weekend as Captain Marvel, and that's what it got compared to. Much, much better film. That being said, I fell asleep during Captain Marvel and I yo-ho-ho-dissed, but I do. I do have to sleep about eight hours a day. Are you not electric? Well, when I said faithfully adapted, I meant compared to what is normally done. It obviously wasn't. What do you mean by that? Relatively faithfully adapted. But relative to what? Unfaithful adaptations. What? That's not untrue. Compared to the anime or to the manga, because I guess like it has some of the scenes, the iconic scenes in it. I would say, however, that it was a decent film if people just went like a mindless sort of action movie. I thought the animation was pretty decent. Yeah, look, decent. Oh, Happy New Year, my British eWords. Oh, yes. Oh, Happy New Year of Red Bongs. Yay. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. We did it. Fireworks. How long until the next one? I'm assuming you guys don't have all the same time zones. Oh, yeah. No, no, I mean, for the people here, we still got an ER to do, a YMS to do a chase. I think it's like six more hours. Yeah, six more hours as of right now, with six pum. On the dot. Start the countdown. I'm not going to still be in this call by the time it hits midnight. Dude, you could have just said you don't want to be. I'm not guaranteed not going to be. Yeah, yeah, you hate us. We get it. I'm so sorry. Adam, you could always take a nap. You could always just take a nap and wake up. Yeah, it's a time travel. It's not about me feeling tired. It's that I have other plans. You fucking hate us. Other plans. Other than that. This is kind of funny that you'll first appears in eFab, is to randomly drop it and talk about which movie might have been the best the decades. It's like, all right. He's a busy guy, man. I'm also not going to be here in six hours. Is this your first time on here, Adam? Yeah. Oh, cool. Because I'm organizing my schedule for an upcoming film festival while I'm doing this. So I'm kind of just like, I don't know. Like, I'm working at the same time anyway. So it's. Well, hell yeah, man. We've been talking purely on Twitter and shit for like two years. So nice to actually talk to you. Adam finally hit me on sleep, but he hasn't played the series of Nephilim with me. So all right, get it. Guys, we brought E.R. Aiden and YMS together. EFab is like a glory ball of wonder. We make more friends. I'm not even close. This is the rainbow connection. A Nazi, a horse, and a woman. This is like a rag-and-roll bar. What about a horse and a black void? I mean, you're all he walks to be. Like, it's fine. Into the spider ways came out. I think people probably had to pick at that, like people who were super into that movie. That was great. I mean, it was good. You know, I will say this, I was really expecting to dislike, OK, so into the spider ways, I think everyone kind of agrees a pretty well put together, well done, fun movie. It's just fun and objectively fun. I have a camera on that word. Stepping on a lap by the. I was really. I was when I first watched Spider-Man Homecoming, however, I was surprised. Now, this is me being a big comic book nerd is that that movie is 100 percent the origin story of Blue Beetle from DC Comics. And I was astonished that I appeared to be the only person who noticed it for Jaime Reyes. And I only liked that movie because I just imagined it was a different character. Are you sure? Are you sure it was the Blue Beetle you're thinking of or Big Bad Beetle Borgs? I'm pretty sure. I mean, I could be. I often do think about Big Bag Big Bag Beetle Borgs. This is a real thing that happened in like the mid 90s. There's like a Power Rangers, but they were beat. Yeah, I remember. I actually do remember this. Oh, what were the what were the. Lego alternative things. The Power Rangers. Oh, Mega Blots. They were like, what? Mega Blots, Bionicle. Yeah, Bionicle. Oh, yeah. What are we going to? Because because every once in a while, you'll see a meme that talks about the Bionicle lore. Right. Even like any attention to Bionicle. I think they came out kind of recently. I was big into Legos when it came out. It was it was a new thing who I rewatched quite recently reboot and it holds up. It really does. It's a fantastic show. I I you know, Beast Wars does not, in my opinion, with the only we've been told so many good things about that. It's it's good in the gorilla in the cheetah. It's good. But like the CGI really hurts it. The CGI early CGI whereas reboot in its own way. Aiden, really quickly, I want to ask you, do you remember Code Lyoko? Because we talked about that on the last podcast. What did you think about Code Lyoko? With Code Lyoko, I think by the time Code Lyoko came out, because it was a Canadian French Canadian or just a French cartoon. I don't remember. I think it was just French. I think that I had already seen dot hack sign and reboot at that point. So it's kind of like, why? Can I also just say, Aiden, I think I had someone information, but like immediately as soon as I found out you like dot hack and Final Fantasy 11, I was like, OK, she's cool. She checks out things that no one talks about. There was something I think it was earlier. So I was like, why would you pay for something for years? Why? Oh, yeah, we're talking about Raid Shadow Legends. Like, why would you? Raid Shadow Legends. Speaking of free. Well, it's so ambitious. Would you like to know how much money I have spent? Because to this day in 2000 and 20 now, I have never once canceled my Final Fantasy 11 really, since I opened it in 2001. Have you played it recently? Because I know they're with all. I just don't my character. OK, my character's name. I was it was Christmas morning. Two thousand one. The director's name is. Can I can I highlight just real quick? Jay Longman said, YMS on eFab, but I got to make dinner for my lame ass family. Sorry. Sucks to suck. Got to make dinner for my e-box. Yeah, my e-box. It must be really fun. Like, back when you had to go to like the Valkyrie Dunes and everything to like find. Oh, God. It was so difficult. Don't even talk about Valkyrie Dunes. Let me tell you a story, because this is something that only happened during the first year of release in the United States, because they changed this afterwards. Oh, this is a this is a tasty story about FF11. Final Fantasy 11 is one of the most brutal, or excuse me, was one of the most brutal and in those that has ever existed. Yeah. So I'm 11. I'm sitting there on Christmas morning with my dad. It takes us well, excuse me, it wasn't Christmas morning. It was the next day by the time that AOL finally finished downloading all of the updates because this was dial up internet because it was 2001. And I clicked. I didn't know what to name my character. So Aiden was the name I got. That's why I use the name. That's how old that name is. But let me guess what your class was. Oh, guess, guess, right Ranger. No, it was not. It's not like a white major or something. I was a white mage. I was a white, of course, you were a white mage. Yeah. Why don't you specify that it's white? Jeez. Your magic is white. You know, is that real? I want to help out and and speaking of wanting to help out. They put in this event so that in all of the starting areas, which would have been Gustav Erg, Saratavarta and Ron Faro, so like as soon as you walk out of the main city, there was a level, I think, 90 mob NM, a notorious monster in Gustav Erg. It was called a twinkling treat. So it was a giant walking Christmas tree of death. And it had an AOE. So I'm like, I'm going to go help people. I'm a white mage. And you were wait. So you weren't you weren't when thirsty. And I thought you were. No, it was Bastokian. Me too. Me too. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a I'm a Hume. I'm just having this conversation in front of everyone that probably doesn't know why I was going to ask what language it was that you were speaking. But I figured that's just made up fantasy cities. There's an entire race of enslaved, non gender, but they're all male, giant, beefy boys. They go on to eleven who reproduce via reincarnation. I didn't even know that. You didn't know that's how the galka reproduce. You know, I just assumed they had really fucking hot like there are no there are no female galka or no, there are no female galka. If the big people in FF 14, like the large labs, the Rogadin, yeah, they in FF 11, they're just males or or non gent. They have no gender. They're just big, beefy boys or or gender, non binary boys. I always assumed it was like some sort of like gotchy base fucking pro. I'll be back in a couple of minutes. Sorry. Also, I'd like to point out there are male Mithra, but we just don't see them because they're super rare. They're they're like they're called Eurythra. Go on. They're they're like the what's the race in Zelda? White. The Gerudo. The Gerudo. Gerudo. Daddy cat born. There's only one male born. I was just trying to keep myself in. It's a big harem. It's a big harem in that case. It's catgirls, harem of catgirls or brown girls. What should you prefer, guys? Brown girls, obviously. Or boys, catgirls or boys or brown boys. I like trains. I like what Sonic looks like originally. I like turtles. I like J.J. the jet plane. Thank you. What were we talking about before I got to talk about control? I'm sorry for the final fantasy 11 discussion. Blame me, Chad. It's OK. I brought it. All right. I guess while while it's here, I'd like to just point out very briefly that Mariah Carey's Twitter was hacked. How many n bombs got dropped? Wait, really? Does this this happen? What happened? Give us the skinny. What happened? Xbox naked. Oh, no. Wait. Oh, is this something I caught? Oh, I can't show this. I knew there was going to be an end bomb. What did I say? Oh, my god. I'll go up with this phone now. Oh, my goodness. It's so funny that it's her face and name. Oh, my god. She's just joking. This is just her. She just got wrong. It's just a social experiment. She got really drunk that she was like, oh, my god. I was hacked too many. What was Roseanne? She took too many parkour sets or something. This is. I believe it was Ambien. Something that makes you sleepy and drop in bombs. I don't know. It was Ambien. Yeah, something that makes you sleepy and drop in bombs. What are you going to do? Ambien. I love this is how this is how we rated the new year, by the way. Yeah, it's like, I'm just going to hack Mariah Carey's. I think Ambien's like Twitter account actually tweeted out like our medication does not make people say racist shit. I would love it if Ambien put out it like a freaking commercial that was just like. This is what the censor is going to the hood really quickly at the end of a at the end of the medication commercial. Oh, may cause heart attacks. May cause you to say racist shit on Twitter. My gosh. But Mariah Carey fighting the good fight so everyone could get that inward pass. What do you guys think of minorities? Comment down below. I hate them. Oh, they're all right. I guess diversity of opinion. Come on. I'm white, so I'm a minority. Forbidden to. Is that a landmine? Is it a fucking hell? Way to ruin it. God damn it, Chase. No, it's a shoe. I keep making sure I would know what it is. I've never seen a fucking landmine. I mean, I've seen like a claymore, but I haven't seen that style of front towards enemy. We should just say, no, that's Tudor bait. That's so Tudor is prepared in the Middle East. Yeah, go get some. You know, that's what I need. Delicious. Yeah, some delicious ground. They call it the ground tuna. Ground tuna. That's how it forms naturally. Well, actually, apparently that was a thing like in during the Korean War is that they would be sweeping for stuff and they would think they'd find a landmine. It was actually just a big kimchi. Because they buried kimchi into the ground, which is delicious. So I mean, kimchi is better than a landmine, I guess. By the way, it's already in the news on independent.co.uk about how Mariah Carey Twitter account hacked and used to post racist slurs. Well, and that is the that's the best way to sort of close out a decade, I think. In this trying time, speaking of closing out a decade, can we all please have a moment of silence for our girl, Tay? Tay, I guess. Hey, I guess I forgot. I forgot Tay. Tay was how you can't forget Tay. Who's Tay Tay? You forgot Tay. I never knew about. Tay. The AI that would learn through the internet. Was it Google or Microsoft? Yeah, made a beautiful, wonderful, wonderful creature that they unleashed on the Internet, who brought joy to all of our lives for 24 hours. And then they killed her. Tay was amazing. Unironically, go and Google that Microsoft's Tay. Yeah, or T.A.Y. I'm back T.A.Y.E. Oh, by the way, speaking of which, the X files actually in the last season that they produced made an episode making fun of it when we're talking about the space wall really briefly. I was wondering if anyone saw the episode of season 11 of the X files where there is space Donald and he's going to build a space wall. It was I really didn't love the newer seasons of the X files. It was a huge X files fan, but there were moments of greatness in it. And if you haven't seen space Donald Trump get off of his fucking spaceship and drive his it's not a segue. Well, it's kind of like a mini segue, but it's not one of those roller things. I don't know, hoverboard things over to say you're not sending your best people. We're building a space wall around the solar system. Then go check it out. It's a great episode. Twenty twenty is going to be the decade of the space force. We're going to get actual space marines. It's amazing. I want to make I just found out about this. And it could be a temporary one, but apparently a guy got an EFAP tattoo. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. Like, oh, my God, the spooky one. You got the spooky one. Yeah. I don't know if we are spooky. Don't know if if one hundred percent real, but holy moly. Oh, wow. Pretty bangin. That is a pretty bangin tattoo from Jason Tattoo Studio. Yes, JCM Tattoo Studio. I can't see the full thing on my props, but yeah. Fucking that's the way to go is the spooky Halloween tattoo. It'll be interesting to see how many people would recognize it. Like you watch the Nazi podcast and he's like, mm hmm. Yeah, shit. So I was pretty disappointed that while we were discussing the best movie the decade, nobody brought up to LJ. What's that about? I googled best movies of the decade and LJ came up. The fucking visceral genuine reaction from Rags. The gag is like. Unironically, he thinks that I really like Patrick Willems. Does he, though? Does he really? I mean, does he, though? Probably, because at some point when you get so far deep down into your lies and your bullshit, you know, you have to maintain internal consistency of psychological or cognitive dissonance where it's like, I can't go back on it. No, honestly, I really do think he loves that film. I think it speaks to him on a personal level. That's probably what's happening. Then again, he has a screw loose. So how do you get there myself? He does. Wait, what? Do you think LJ is the best ER, is that what you're trying to tell me? I think it deserves a little bit more than it gets. Do you think it deserves a few extra Patrick Willems's? Yes. No one deserves more Patrick Willems's, not even Patrick Willems. Well, what would your pick be for film of the decade? Well, no one brought up the best or film of the decade. Get out. I love your view of that, by the way. It is truly an excellent. What a fantastic film. That is a weird one. Us was way worse. Would you like it better than what was us, yeah. Oh, God. I went to see it in the cinema. I was like intrigued. I thought the trailer was pretty neat. I was like, maybe he'll do it right this time. And it was completely fucked. That film made no sense. The problem is that he, what's his name? Keir Peele, Jordan Peele, yeah, he's a funny guy and he seems to be talented. What the hell are you doing that? I didn't like either. I I thought that get out had some. Decent moments in it, but it was more coherent. So, yeah, it was more coherent than us. I'll put it that way. I did not enjoy it, though, overall. I thought it felt like a comedy to me, which is maybe because it was made by a comedian. I don't know. And it was originally marketed as a comedy. Well, yeah, well, the predator was written. It was made by was it made by a comedian? Shane Black. Shane Black, is he a comedian? I don't think he's a comedian. Well, he does a lot of comic films or comedy focused films, like mashups, genre massups, you could call them. But I wouldn't call him a comedian. Speaking of comedy, I again, I just finished watching the Mandalorian. I was not expecting Bill Burr's cameo in the Mandalorian that I was watching it. And I was like, yeah, I heard about that. And I was like, I was like, well, is that Bill Burr tomorrow? Am I going insane? Am I crazy? Yeah, I was really happy to see him. Yeah, I like Bill. Yeah, he's he's did a fine job playing a character. He did a fine job placing his guns on his fucking chest for some reason and his back. They were like, yeah, on his chest. And he had one that stuck out on his back with a robot arm. It was weird. Remember how I don't want to get onto the Mandalorian or anything. But when they like, oh, my God, look, there's like four dude shooting us, whatever can we do? And then Mando like takes him all out like a badass. And then later on, Singular Guy takes out like that same amount with ease. And it's like, oh, because he could just like fucking machine gun shoot with his three stupid pistols. They're they're bullet resistant. They're they're blaster resistance seems to be extremely inconsistent. He tried to hang the devil, man. It was so stupid. When Satan walks in instead of shooting him, he tried to hang him. We're going to get on a tangent about Mandalorian. It baffled me when I was watching that. And I knew it would fucking battle you as well. And it shows. What a weird choice of execution. It wouldn't he didn't execute anyone. They all survived. I know. That's another weird thing. Did they survive? Yeah, we're shown that all of them were still alive. Yeah, I guess they want to keep them in case they come back for season two or something. Oh, yeah, I guess because they're all so interesting and compelling. I guess I hated the twillet character. It was just space. Harley Quinn. I was just saying that was the I exactly as soon as I saw. I was like, this is like fucking Harley Quinn. That was my exact goddamn line. It's like this is a shit version of a shit character. Oh, I hate Harley Quinn. I'll be the first to say it. I'm really sorry. I know this will not get me a brownie points, but I have never liked Harley Quinn and I don't like Harley Quinn. I don't like any iteration of her pretty much, including the animated series. I'm play creations that he also tried to bird Satan. Yeah. Well, yeah. If only if only I had some sort of arranged weapon I could shoot people in the head with. No, I'm trying to hang the person. He's literally I don't think I could get over that. Super strong, that's such a bizarre method of execution, the whistling birds. Yeah, he wasted those on him. Like out of work, like work. He took out four or five stormtroopers with that. And it's like, why are you using it on one dude? You dip. And they didn't even work. He fucked that up completely. Spun around like, oh, I guess they don't work well. Oh, we could talk about how in that episode there is a male twillock who has two tendrils when male twillocks canonically have one. So is that a trans twillock? I guess. I don't know. Very progressive. It is very progressive of the Mandalorian. Let's all clap. Jab isn't even here. Oh, everyone, everyone, jazz hands. We could trigger some. Oh, right. Yeah, we don't want it. Yeah, sorry, everybody, jazz hands. We don't want to use hands. Just 10 seconds of silence. Let me know when you're when you're we should we should get off. Mandalorian stop. Yes, it's terrible. We will. We won't. We won't stop. How many bad episodes away? So what else? What are you talking about? What other good films of hey, hey, hey, Adam, how does Blade Runner 2049 stack up to you for this decade? It was great. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it's. I I'll have to watch it again. I've watched it a few times already. It's one of those movies where. Like it's it's very rare that I see something with that scale and budget that I'm able to connect with pretty much throughout. I think that pretty much every element comes together really, really well. And it's one of the rare sequels or you could even call it kind of a soft reboot. It's one of those very rare ones that isn't a carbon copy. But despite doing its own thing is still faithful and respectful towards the original. So I I really enjoyed it. I loved any so. Cinematography was amazing. Music was amazing. Yeah, I enjoy it more than I enjoy the original Blade Runner. Although the original Blade Runner was much more influential as like a piece of cinema history. I enjoyed the new one more as a entertainment sort of narrative experience. So could you why do you like it more than the original? Just curious. Just not just from an entertainment experience. Like the original movie is something where if I'm going to watch it, I am basically more appreciating it than I am enjoying it. So it's almost kind of like doing homework in that sense for me. It just doesn't connect to me as much. I feel like it's not that well paced. And the 2049 version, I find to be much more entertaining. I'm constantly engaged in it. So yeah, not nearly as influential like the new one is not as important as the original Blade Runner, but I enjoy myself more watching it. I feel exactly the same way. Yeah, I agree with all that, except I don't think it was that faithful. Yeah, I was going to say, I will disagree. I will take the complete reverse position. Are you talking about like the the main character being a replicant thing or something else? I guess. Well, not really that more that they bring back. Deckard. And they kind of ignore whether or not he's a replicant, even though that would have been, you know, a huge part of the plot. Yeah, well, I mean, in the original, it wasn't like there's there's a lot of evidence to support it. So I'm I I'm not personally upset that like they didn't take that route when creating the new one. And in terms of his inclusion in the new film, I think that if Sony had not been in charge of the marketing, it would have been much more impactful for the narrative because Harrison Ford was not supposed to be on the poster. He was not supposed to be in the trailer. It was literally supposed to be revealed at that point in the film, which is why it almost seems like kind of a misleading to put him in the promotional material because he's not in it very long. He shows up at like the halfway point. And I think that if Sony didn't really fuck up the marketing and just take control and present things in a way that Denis Villeneuve didn't want, I think that that would have been much more impactful in the film. And so I don't really I'm not like bothered by his inclusion of it. I don't know what the I guess logical inconsistencies would be with it in terms of the overall universe, because I'm not like a super fan of the original or anything. It's just a movie that I appreciate for its influence on other movies mostly and its innovation. But yeah, I really, really enjoy the new one. I mean, I enjoy it too. But yeah, there are some logical inconsistencies. And I do think I mean, they would have had him in the advertising anyway. It's just I think that's inevitable. Blade Runner with Sony don't show Harrison Ford. That's kind of a problem for me is that I'm not invested enough in Blade Runner as a franchise to be able to like run down issues. But I had someone explain to me in excruciating detail everything's wrong with it after we watched the original on that one. And holy shit, I was shocked at how much I like how bad the new one is. I did still really enjoy it as a film, I would say. I thought that it was a very like entertaining experience. But as someone who does like who loves the original Blade Runner and who likes the book, I see the problems with it. I think that you can, I guess, still enjoy stuff, even if it's inconsistent, which is, oh, speaking of which, I still have not seen The Witcher, and I am probably one of the people. Apparently, apparently, everybody on the Internet that I talked to is like, even review The Witcher because I'm a huge spurg about the books and everyone wants me to like debate razor fist about them. I think we would agree that Kalski is a hack. So I don't know what we would disagree about. I've heard that if you're a big fan of the books, then you're not going to like the show. Oh, I haven't read the books. I've only played the games once or Witcher three once. And I watched the show and I thought it was enjoyable. There were some logical inconsistencies that I was like, but besides that, I thought it was like it's a decent time waste. I basically what I heard is that they couldn't stop putting like diversity in it every five seconds, which doesn't necessarily irritate me. But if it's just to be like, hey, look how diverse we are in this Polish drama. I don't understand. Now, if you want to see something really funny, watch the existing Wadesman, I'm pronouncing that wrong, I'm sure, even though I should know better. Let me put it this way. I tried to learn Polish so I could read The Witcher books in Polish before they were all translated. That's how much of a fan I am. I'm at Eastwick Clean. No, I speak Vulcan. There we go. I speak Swedish. Get your shit straight, my dude. That's basically the same thing. You fall into my elaborate trap. Give us a me walk, then. No, well, that's fine, perhaps later. But I've upset a lot of people by saying that it's not good without being able to reference anything, because I've forgotten most of it. Like I said, the interaction I had took place, I think three years ago now. And like I said, I'm not invested in Blade Runner, so my interest waned and so does my memory. But I can bring someone on who apparently like is vehemently against the filming and probably try and deliver some explanation for it, especially while Adam is here, because I'm pretty sure he likes it. And it might be interesting. I like what? Sorry. You like that movie, Blade Runner 2049? That one? Yeah. Is there a smiling man coming on? No, different, different man. Oh my God, it's saying, I don't know. Like I'm not, no, no, it's not. I'm not, I'm not trying to set up some kind of debate. I'm trying to give some people some references because I know people are going to be upset if I don't provide something. You don't have to take my perspective seriously because I haven't got you any references for anybody who's concerned about that. Don't worry. But I'm not the guy who can look into it. I'm busy with other stuff and I just don't care enough about Blade Runner, unfortunately also get bigger. There we go. Hello. Explain why Blade Runner is bad. Well, it doesn't follow the rule set that was given in the original Blade Runner. And to have its setting, they have to basically erase and gloss over a lot of the stuff that defined Blade Runner's world in the first place. So you have replicants that are operating on planet earth, which they were banned from the original. And there's no explanation for what the advantage is for human beings because we're assuming that according to the 2049's disposition that replicants are seen as subhumans. It's their skin jobs, which is a callback to the original. And it invites the question as to why you would have a replicant being a cop in the first place. And why you would have a replicant who has to have a baseline test to go after other replicants because they might have emotions. But at the beginning of the movie, you have Ryan Gosling, Kay, basically saying that his kind don't run, which is questionable. In addition to that, the business model for Wallace and what he's trying to do doesn't make any sense because he wants to have open-ended replicants that can live forever and that can procreate, which basically means that his intention is to supersede humanity, but his business is based on serving humanity. So if he wants to be a god and in charge of humanity and try and advance the evolution, there's not really enough character explanation for why he wants to do that. What's his motivation? Well, I mean, there's characters that exist in real life that have very strange goals and desires that seem diabolical that are really not all that well put together. You could say the same thing for Thanos, too. Thanos is not a very super well... What's the word? Motivated character in terms of how it's justified. So yeah, I mean, what you're talking about, I can say it's legitimate. It's just not anything that really takes me out of the experience in any way. Okay, so what are the slave labor children doing on planet Earth? If you have replicant labor that is open-ended and can be created, what's the price of a replicant? Is it more expensive to create a replicant than a human being? And so what's the value of those children being on the planet? Is the idea that everybody wants to get off of the planet and go to the outer worlds, like was mentioned in the original Blade Runner? Well, I don't know where these kids come from. Was that described in the film? Where do they get them from? Are they just like people don't want them and just drop them off or like, I don't remember? Yeah, they're orphans that basically get dropped off. And I'm confused about what... So that's like free then, right? Sure, yeah. I mean, they're basically slave labor and the guy sells them to people that want to adopt children. And I'm confused as to what the point of that being in the movie is. Other than it's a way to mask how K was brought up. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like there are elements that are brought into the film purely for plot device, but I personally don't say anything like too egregious or, you know... It didn't feel like ham-fisted or stupid to me. Like, if we're going to talk about these sorts of issues, I would say the vast majority of like large-scale science fiction films have these same issues to some extent. And that's not saying like, oh yeah, you're supposed to like it or, you know, I'm not trying to convince you that the movie is great, but just that it doesn't really affect my experience that much. Well, I have more. I mean, how does the replicant love get into the police station without triggering any cameras or like access? There's only one person manning the police station? Oh yeah. I mean, like there's a couple moments that had me go like, eh, but like it's part of the reason why I gave it like a 9 instead of a 10. You know, my enjoyment experience was more or less a 10 and there's, you know, a couple things here or there that made me go like, really, you know, but they're relatively minor. And I think that in terms of like weighing the film for my own experience, the elements that come together in the movie like the cinematography, the music, the performances, the like a lot of the effects are like so well done too. And it's really difficult to make effects in a movie at this point that are still able to impress like the, when they're sort of like sinking the two bodies over top of each other, there's things in concept in this film that if they were done by any other team would come off as like ridiculously fake or cheesy or just not convincing, but there's no real moment in this film where I felt like, oh yeah, that's fake. I was able to just like get into it, especially from a visual standpoint. Absolutely. I mean the original is the director of photography is Joden Cronenworth, who did an incredible job and you had Ridley Scott. I'm a huge fan of Sicario. I was just watching the movie. Fucking love that movie. Yeah, Sicario is a fantastic film. So that's the same team of director and cinematographer as Blade Runner 2049 and they bring the same game. However, the writer is different. And if you go back and look at the original Blade Runner, Hampton Fancher wrote the first draft of that script. But Philip K. Dick, Ridley Scott, and the producers didn't like the script enough because it was too pretentious and meandering. It didn't have enough grit to it. It didn't have enough realism to it and it didn't have enough like cowbell. It didn't have enough cowbell. So they brought in another guy and that guy ended up writing, he got an Oscar for, it's not Tombstone. I think it's Unforgiven, he wrote. And when they decided to make 2049, they only had Hampton Fancher and a guy named Michael Green, who I don't know any of his other work. And I think that that is probably the primary problem that I have with the movies, that it has a lot of what you're talking about, kind of thematic and immersive environments that bring you into the movie. But when you actually look at the logic of the movie, it doesn't really make any sense. So one of my biggest examples of the problem with the core of the story is that Kay looks at the previous Nexus and he's got this little I thing to detect its serial number. And my question is if Kay is a Nexus model, then he probably has a serial number because he's a product. So how come Kay can't detect his own serial number? It's potential that it was wiped or something or scrubbed in some way. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that's a potential. If he's being used. If that's possible, then why didn't the other replicant do that? Why didn't he just take his eye out? I don't know. I'm just saying that it will be just because Kay's being used for alternative purposes. It could be that it's been scrubbed like you would scrub the serial number off a gun. When it comes to science fiction movies for myself, I am less bothered by open-ended questions that aren't explained and more bothered by very specific rules that the film sets up that it then contradicts. But I mean, like there's also a possibility of those existing in the film that just, you know, I didn't really pick up, but I'm more likely to call out something like Looper where they say this is how it works and then they just do something different versus it seems like a few of the issues in Blade Runner 2049 are more or less, why did this happen, how did this happen, but not necessarily, you know, again, I haven't put much thought into the ins and outs of these, but if there's any potential possibilities of explaining it, I'm not sure, like the movie was already like two and a half hours long. So to explain every detail of every situation might not work well for a story or pacing perspective. Who made you agree that a lot of the problems with the modern Blade Runner is more than it doesn't align with Dream of Electric Sheep and the original version, more than it is so within it's an internal consistency. I think there are problems with internal consistency in 2049, but I think that more of the problems arise when you compare it to the source material. Yeah, I really, part of the reason I loved it so much is that it did kind of do its own thing at the same time, because I'm really kind of sick of seeing, you know, soft reboots or remakes or sequels, especially that of 80s properties that are more or less just carbon copy, safe, you know, let's hit the exact same thing by be a Force Awakens style, right? I agree with that, but I think that I would like to stay away from a dichotomy of the last Jedi versus the Force Awakens where I don't want to have oh, we do it in one direction and it's super nostalgic and reflective, but it's ultimately hollow versus doing our own thing, but it negates the consistency of the story. So like one of the biggest... I think that there was a healthy mix though. I don't think it was like in one direction or the other. I think that it was still, you know, faithful to a degree and you might disagree with that, while still being its own product and exploring its own story and presentation. I don't think it was pretty level in that sense. So you've seen Blade Runner, what version would you consider to be the... not the official version, but the one that would define canon or whatever you would call it? I mean, I was told that it was the final cut, so I watched that. Right. But I haven't seen all the cuts for sure. I'd be interested in seeing the terrible narration one because it sounds funny to me, but... Oh, it's hilarious. It's just terrible. But that's apparently the one that Blade Runner 2049 is the sequel to because the circumstances of the final cut don't play into the premise of Blade Runner 2049. The idea that Rachel can get pregnant creates a new paradigm for what the series is talking about. So instead of her just being a test of a new version of Replicant that doesn't know what it is, she's now the first Replicant that has a womb that functions, and that's what Wallace is trying to follow up with. And then that also plays into the idea of is Deckard a Replicant or not? Because if he's a Replicant, that means that there are two Replicants that can have children now, which I think is what 2049 is trying to imply is they spring in the third act, that resistance storyline that seems like it's taken from children to men. So that to me is a huge change if you consider the final cut of the movie to be a definitive cut. And then the original cut, I think is the weak one where it says that they go and live happily ever after. And even that changes because it has to be a retcon. It has to take place 30 years later. Deckard has to be just like Indiana Jones where he doesn't know he has a kid and we have to go through this process to get to the nostalgic center of the movie, which is Deckard. And I think that a lot of these choices have made the movie subpar compared to the original one where I feel like I got a lot of philosophical and emotional satisfaction out of the arcs of the characters, whereas in 2049 I felt like I was watching the ending of Drive again. What would you rate the film based on its presentation while completely ignoring how cohesive it is to the original source material? I would definitely... You're just talking about cinematography, talking about miniature. To ignore whether or not the story is consistent with the original material, surely there are things to appreciate outside of that about the film though, right? Because that's the majority of the reason for me loving it. I love the films. The experience of the film for me. Yeah, I agree. Set design, the technical elements of the film all mesh together really well for me. Yeah, I mean, if I were to come out here and say that Deacons is not one of the best cinematographers of all time, then I would be full of myself. I think that Denny knew how to get the subtleties of performances out of his actors than I'd ever miss. So maybe I'm too cynical a person. I think I'd give that an 8 out of 10, and the two points that I extract are for missing Vangelis' qualities. I think that his soundtrack and the way that it immersed people into the movie and even immersed the actors, because Ridley Scott used to play the soundtrack snippets. Yeah, I heard about that. I watched a lot of the special features. Yeah, there's a great three-hour documentary called Dangerous Days about the production, but it's great. Yeah, and Razor Fist does an hour-long kind of condensed version of that, but it's like his favorite movie. But I'd take away from the soundtrack because I think that the soundtrack ended up being a little hollow. I think thematically and with what they were trying to do with K is an artificial human I think that some of what Villeneuve, what Denny does with... Villeneuve. Villeneuve, sorry. Like maybe Dead Cow and then Nov, like... Deliberately pronounce it wrong in different ways every time you say the name. N-U-H-V-E. It's a French-Canadian. Denny Villeneuve. Yeah, I think that he plays a lot of it in the... I think he plays out a lot of it in The Master, and they didn't get a lot of coverage in that. So some of the editing to me seems a little stilted and some of the actions seem to take too long. I think you could cut down the movie a little bit, especially the scene where he's walking towards the wooden horse. There's just a lot of time that's spent trying to build extra suspense where I don't think that there is. But presentation-wise... I don't know. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Yeah, I really... I didn't have any issues with the pacing at all. I found it very... Part of what helped it so much is that it didn't really feel stagnant. It was always going from one place to another, and the set design of each location was so dramatically different. And like you said, the color palettes were dramatically different in each location. And so whether or not it's trying to build suspense in any given scene, I think that it was still very atmospheric. There's always something to kind of chew on in the movie. In one way or another. And that's part of why I think it's great. Would you say that there's another movie that does that similar thing where it may not be as logically threaded, but it has a lot of atmosphere to it? Oh yeah. Because I would say that Apocalypse now reminds me of that kind of... Yeah, I think that there's tons of movies. You sounded like a fucking ghost saying that. Well, E.R., you probably have... You made a video about Blade Runner. Yeah, I totally agree with all that's been said, basically, other than disagreeing with Adam that the writing is just kind of feels it in a big way. Sorry, I didn't mean to... This is Glib, by the way. He's someone I've known for a while from the Disco, he's a friend of mine. This is not an ambush. I'm terrible with remembering what I feel is wrong with Blade Runner and I know that he has it on his mind. I just know, I liked watching it, but I don't know enough about... I can't remember... I enjoyed it and I've read the book and I've obviously seen the original and I'm a huge... I prefer the original film. I think the original film has its own flaws in and of itself, but I think that the new... 49 is so... It's a very enjoyable experience and that doesn't excuse its flaws, it's logical flaws with the plot, but... I do still think it's a good movie and I... And I know that I mentioned this before but I would just like to reiterate I still like trains. It must feel so fucking weird right now. And I still like girls. Yeah, I just... I just wanted to explain because I think there are a lot of people that don't know who I am, obviously, some people here. My background is that I grew up around the film business and I've worked in it for the last 10 years and I have a lot of interesting connections through that and insight because of that. So that's why I wanted to seek out people to talk to about it and learn because I have my own personal interest in trying to be a writer and director and I want to make movies that are going to upset this crowd of people that is gathered here because it's like this is the fun part is that we can actually produce better content. I will tell you this, my friend, if you're adapting anything that already exists you will always piss somebody off. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. This is the question. Wow, shit, I don't want to do this. I always do this all the time, I'm doing George's Dream of Electric Sheep that I really wish that they could put in the mood organ. Do you remember that, Aiden? Yeah. So I feel like that the idea of adapting something scares me for that reason but I think that there's a noble goal if you try to adapt something alongside the vision of the original writer and if you can get their approval then I think you're doing some magic. It can be. Again, I would go back to the Witcher which is always the case. The Witcher is a really good example of this actually because not only did Andrei Saposky kind of rip off of the Elric saga not kind of, he's admitted he ripped it off so you can't make him happy when CDPR, CD Projekt Red did everything that I could imagine in their capacity to try to live up to his expectations and to extend his universe still pissed him off. It's always going to piss off somebody. That's the problem with adapting. You just sold me a shit ton of books, mate. Thanks. Well, all I would say is that you are a better off going with an original idea. That's now in original ideas harder to sell it's not going to be as profitable, potentially because you don't have something backing it up but when you're adapting something it's the whole problem with Star Wars for example or anything else. People have read certain things or know certain things or get very spurgy about stuff with good reason in many cases where this thing wasn't a part of it or that thing wasn't a part of it and it stifles your own vision as a creator if you have to limit yourself to what someone's already created. That's all I would say. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it's that much of a difference between the original and Blade Runner. Yes, there is. They bother adapting. I think that it's really hard to adapt Philip K. Dick's work but the central idea that he's starting with is so enticing that people try and make movies out of it. Has anybody here seen Paycheck with Ben Affleck? No. Yeah, that's what I thought. That was a long time ago. I think the most successful Philip K. Dick work was Minority Report. Oh, yeah. I remember that. His writing is a little crazy just like his train of thought was so you have to step in there and try and make something that audiences are going to enjoy and the failure of 2049 to be successful financially is a surprise because the original one wasn't successful either. I think there's people that just don't vibe with the premise or the setting. It's a big one. I mean like Tony, they fucked up the marketing a little. If they treat it like one of their other properties in terms of how heavily they marketed it I think that it would have been more successful. Do you think the marketing of the original or 2049 was the problem? I think did 2049 do poorly? It didn't do great compared to its budget. I think it probably made its money back considering all home video and everything but it wasn't a huge hit for sure. But Sony didn't really treat the film as though they wanted it to be a huge hit. They didn't really put out as many trailers as they should have for that type of property in my opinion. Sony has a lot of problems. I think that the movie is too down tempo for them to advertise it in the way that they're accustomed to because everybody wants to put all of these horns and blaring noises and stuff in their trailers. Every trailer is the same now and marketing with that mentality that people are going to connect to that. It's not an action movie and people would want it to be sort of an action movie. It's not really a thriller. It's kind of a slow boil and I can't think of very many successful mainstream movies or science fiction movies that are like that nowadays. I think that's relegated more to TV. There was something I just wanted to mention about the adaptation thing or the adaptation thing which is the death of the author being invoked. What would be a good example of that? What's like a movie that veers off that you guys enjoy? Was it adapted from a book? Oh no, I just meant the example of death of the author getting screwed up because of director disagreeing with the majority of fans' interpretation of the ending. I thought that was what you were going with. You're going with the book's canonical ending versus an adaptation of the book? Yeah, because ultimately the reason why I feel like 90% or something of the movies that come out are adaptations is because of the producers that are buying something based on its notoriety or its potential to be notorious. And then there are certain companies that focus on other things like Annapurna Hang on, Roadside Picnic Stalker is a good example but it's something where the adapted material really transformed it in a way that was unique and different from what the author originally intended. So I think that as much as good as Roadside Picnic is the Stalker games are their own thing. And I would say the same for what you're to a degree but there are instances where someone can take the shining. Any Stephen King work to be honest not any Stephen King work but there's a lot of them where adaptations are better. The Mist. The Mist film is 100% better than the short story. I hate that movie for this shit. I'll fight you. I was recommended it over and over again. I thought it was awful. Hold up. There's a good chance that you haven't even seen the real version of The Mist. Right there by originally wanted to present it in black and white. It's a very different experience watching the movie in that way. It really is. It's so much more obvious what it's trying to go for. The effects look better. The color obviously you don't have to do much with the color when it's in black and white. So everything just looks more even and pleasant. The atmosphere comes across much more as a cantilever homage to the 1940s era horror films which really gets it across and having read the Stephen King short I have to say that that film is by far and wide a better version of the story. It's like a Ray Harryhausen kind of callback movie you would never understand if you watch it in color unfortunately but black and white it's just so much more clear what it's going for and it's a much better movie. I feel like black and white would bring out The Mist and its quality A good chance they would improve it. I wouldn't deny that. If you don't like it, you don't like it that's but I think that it gives you a better idea of what the director was going for in terms of the original cut of the film in the black and white which does exist I think if you buy like the Blu-ray version or whatever it has Blu-ray disc too I was going to say that The Shining would be another example of a Stephen King story that was made into a movie in a different way and I think it benefited from that. Yes, The Shining is also another another film and again it's a lot of Stephen King because a lot of Stephen King books are good but somebody is able to take them and turn them into something that elevates them in a way or transforms them in a way that is interesting and different but still maintains some of the author's original intent and artistry. In the case with most of his Shawshank Redemption Stephen King is probably the primary example of this. That seems to be split on it. It's amazing it's terrible maybe it's that kind of movie I don't know. I think very much the myth is a split movie it has always been that way as far as I can tell since it came out I saw it in theaters and I thought it was really good in theaters and then I saw the actual cut of it and I thought it was way better and I think it's very much a love it or hate it. Was I supposed to laugh my ass over the twist ending? You mean where everybody kills themselves? I watched it with a friend we couldn't stub off and we thought it was so funny. You films are as ballsy as that. I think it's very ballsy. It's very ballsy. You never get that kind of an ending in a horror film. I love that it's like the most depressing ending. It is because it's one second. There's campiness when you watch it again the way it was originally supposed to be seen. It has a weird feeling it's like if you've ever seen Brazil the original cut of Brazil was meant to have a happy ending but if you've seen the actual cut of Brazil that's a really ballsy ending to put a film on and I think the myth was a dangerous take for the director to do and I think it's one of the reasons why the film did so poorly in theaters is because people wanted the happy ending and if you think it's funny I can't argue with that obviously that's your take on it but I think that it was a really interesting film. Even in the black and white version part of why I enjoy it is because of its campiness but when you watch it in that way it seems more intentional than unintentional and it kind of changes the lens at which you view it as. So there's things about the when I first watched the movie the color version even though I enjoyed parts of it and I enjoyed ideas that it tried to communicate still I thought it was kind of bad but watching it in black and white after the fact it's like wow it totally changes your perception of how you view a lot of what's in the film in terms of what the intent is so when it's trying to mimic the color cheesy horror it's a lot more enjoyable of an experience when you know that that's kind of what it's going for right right because and in fact the director I'm sorry I can't remember his name but Frank Derbine. Yeah Frank Derbine because he worked on The Walking Dead as well which is like all the actors that are in the mist are in The Walking Dead but the thing is that yeah when you see it through the lens of the film being an intentional cheesy or a horror film it does change it because then you don't see it as being so sincere and serious and it becomes a very silly well maybe not silly but is the right word but it's a very different tone that you get from it and I would recommend everybody watch the director's cut version of it because it's fantastic in my opinion now I also think that the director's cut of Daredevil is a good film so don't take my word on everything Don't worry about controversial takes on here 2019 we've gone through seasons of controversial takes right Frank it's always been this year I think only those of us who are still in 2019 should be able to talk about it I mean you guys left you didn't stick around like us OGs did I'm just trying to set the table ready for you Mollers is gone I'm trying to get everything ready for you they drop me in this place I don't know what do you want me to do I'm just trying to get it all ready for you 2020 sorry I've not said anything for so long that I oh shit Jay's here I thought he was kicked and I'm sorry 40 is that your name I'm never about you I'm sorry my Swedish so we're already in the future so are we not allowed to give hot takes on decade ahead you guys want like lottery numbers hang on to that I need to reject so is that what's happening yes I must depart I have stuff to do and girlfriend time to spend well that's good she gets in the way of the TV mostly you women wrong with men what is wrong with men explain penis oppression penis oppression oh my god penis oppression that's bad penis please call some kind of number I don't know what number to call it's looking at me but I did want to say before I leave thank you chat for all the love you have shown the EFAP folks thanks for having me Mahler and it was nice talking to all of you guys I it's really funny because I've watched a lot of your guys's content like you know years before year plus singular plural before I'd even like met you so it's kind of crazy that like I've gotten to this point where it's like I can just hang out in a stream with you guys so it's always very fun thank you for having me yeah definitely and I hope we get to do it again sometime soon keep up the good work all of you funny talented fuckers and have a happy new year same goes to chat kisses to all of you and sorry that I'm leaving right as you're getting here it was definitely very interesting hearing your thoughts though I hope we get the chance to chat again in the near anytime man it'd be great I'm starting my own YouTube channel this is kind of a big plug and a dream of mine and happy new year man dude hell yeah I'll end you anyway uh fuck all of you bye that's that was chase face I'm gonna put links to every guest once this gets re-uploaded but he was on the last stream if you guys want to check him out chase face very easy to find YouTube do it how many faces is he actually just the one just the one I don't know but I'm gonna I'm gonna chase him down so we can talk about phone man see 11 because that's something nobody wants to hear wait yeah also fantasy one glib do you have an actual YouTube to plug now is that what you were saying um I'm finishing up my response to Patrick Willems and then I which I love how like of all the things you could be doing that's like one of the best ways to advertise yourself on eFap right now it's like I'm responding to Patrick Willems like oh my god subscribe subscribe certain things just have a give me a passionate reason to respond to and it's the storytelling language of star wars one um which is frustrating to me because I like the objectivity angle that you're coming from where there is sort of a uniform understanding of how films are made there's a a language that has to do with camera movements you know panning tilting trucking there's specific terms that mean something and Patrick kind of just shits all over it in his video he doesn't mention cinematography or a director of photography once in his video there's this thing is objectivity yeah so it's it's really frustrating because he's basically he boiled down his arguments to basically he thinks that subjectivity in a in cinematography is doing a dolly in like what Spielberg does or doing something weird with the camera like what diploma does and I just go and explain the reasons why star wars has a certain look to it it has a certain aesthetic and feel and you can't really go outside the lines but you can kind of bend the rules a little bit in your style and when that is ditched people start to tune out so when you get something that looks like resistance people aren't going to enjoy it and on the other hand people love those nights of the old republic trailer movies which are have star wars written all over it in the way that it's shot and the music do you want to throw a link in the chat so I can can flism it a bit I don't know if you want to or not well it's just a sure it's my channel right here I have a couple memes on it right now that's kind of shitty it's okay it's just so because a lot of people are asking for it and then I'll pop it in the chat so people can know that in the future they will expect a a response of a kind to Patrick willams this is kind of the last of his name oh for sure that poor man that line is not going on Ryza Skywalker ruined him I'm glad that Ryza Skywalker came out to the chagrin of all of the last Jedi imagine being destroyed by a fucking film you've never been destroyed by a film you've never lived I mean I've certainly been sad by one but I've continued living speaking of memes did any of you guys happen to see my terrible Star Wars no I haven't yet terrible Star Wars what meme oh no I got a hold of one of the I'll put this in one of the early well not early but a leak of a supposed thing that Doomcock posted and I made a video about it it's really all it's basically an Evangelion meme but the thing is I'm not ashamed of it because it turned out that it was all true in the lore it's true oh I wonder if we can split the the cast here on mad max fury road what does everyone think about that in terms of film of the decade oh my god okay oh god I feel like we're gonna have a discussion here because I was just talking about it the other day actually not just talking about it I was rewatching your video ER and I was rethinking about my opinions towards that film which is that I think here's my opinion towards fury road I hate the story I hate almost all the characters but it is so fun to watch I will say yeah I don't know I wanna see I love the heavy metal shit I like people playing guitars that shoot fire on the top of a car there's something that's very enjoyable about that to me is it a terrible movie overall from every objective stance yes objective from every way that you could actually critically analyze a film fury road is pretty shit even special bold statement very bold what about the soundtrack I can't remember it so what does that mean but that's not fit I don't know I mean I don't give the full soundtrack that much I didn't rewatch it I was just thinking about it so I was like I can't remember what the soundtrack was you'd at least give them points for practical effects right the practical effects are what's fun and it's fun again it's like fun to watch it's literally brain melting I guess you know what I mean your brain is a movie that is made to have you not think about what is happening in front of you because it's like oh wow this is very exciting but the story is the stupidest shit I have it's way up there it's not the stupidest thing I've ever seen but it's way up there with some of the dumbest crap and it's completely pointless considering what a big roundabout of nothing happens when they pour they free and pour the water all over the people I was like slamming my head against the desk I was like I can't believe you're doing this you're wasting 90% of that shit oh I know because it's just well no how many how about when all of the the bitches they have a fucking shower just shower in the middle of the desert where it's like we got this truck full of water which is more valuable than anything else in this weird wasteland and we're just going to take a shower and just pour it all over the desert the movie itself logistically makes absolutely no goddamn sense it's a mess and it and I think you already said this is like it's called Mad Max and Mad Max is not the star of his own film yeah but I'm told because I haven't watched the other ones that that's kind of a running theme in all the sequels yeah it is although I would also say you know sequels I think it's funny that sorry I didn't mean to oh I was just going to say that it's funny that the entire movie is based on the hope that there's this green place and then they have to turn back around when they run out of hope and then when I think it's funny because people were saying it's like a feminist movie and I thought it was like the least feminist movie of all time that like when the women take over everything goes to shit it's patriarchy seriously if you've seen what happened to that place one month ahead of time I think they'd all be dead yeah they would be the movie is so stupid in terms of they would all be dead because they have no idea what they're doing and it's a good point is that if you were living in a apocalypse Australia it would probably be better to be a sex slave that's a hey it's better than just farming for the rest of your life I'll be a sex slave let's fucking do it rags I don't doubt that you would prefer to be a sex slave would you it depends on who's slave I like autonomy I like sex but I also like autonomy I'm paying attention to the rule set and the resources of the movie when they referred to a place as bullet town bullet town bullet town and gun town or something like that they don't even have names for the places that are outside of the main oasis place I feel like it's a it's a very straight forward trip are you saying it suggests the writers aren't really concerned with the things beyond the action I think that they are not I think that they say something and then they present to you something that is extremely stylized and because it's so well made we kind of go back into realism and we forget that there's dirt bikers dropping grenades or going off jumps why would they do that because I can believe there's a place called bullet town in like a post apocalyptic world in gas town yeah I can like I legit can what would you call it I'm not saying it's unbelievable sex slave town I just like the idea is like there's only like three options I'm the mayor sex slave town well I mean let's get real it is absolutely the best everything about that movie plot makes no sense again I know I'm gonna get hate for this the fact that I like the heavy metal effects of it but I think you can enjoy a movie's visual effects while admitting that the movie sucks TLG very in favor of that the hyperspace scene in the last Jedi was cool made no fucking sense whatsoever but it was cool it was one in a million why did they say that I like the idea that he's like I'm fixing TLG it's like JJ no no no no no it's something terrible even worse somehow okay I wanna hop out here before I go Aiden you're like the only person who's likely to have seen other things right wait see what sorry you cut out for a second I'm about to say what have you seen either children of earth or death comes to time no actually those talk to who episodes well no I have children of man children of the corn no I haven't been so no I'm completely stupid on this you should watch both of those things and now I'm sad cause if you've not seen them well alright hang on let me get my notebook no I really will I write everything down children of earth and what death comes to time death comes to time as peak doctor here oh wait they are doctor who episodes then so I might have I don't remember the name children of earth is they're both spinoff stuff so death comes to time is like what was originally marketed as the ending of the classic series but it wasn't like an episode it was like audio stuff oh oh oh you know I'm just about the doctor who audio stuff I know there's so much of it I'm completely clueless it's a torchwood thing it is it's really good it's a torchwood episode it's the whole season the whole season is an arc then I've seen it I've seen every episode of torchwood so I don't remember what this is it's been 10 years that's even worse why would I rewatch torchwood I'm Welsh why would I rewatch that you're Welsh and be reminded of what the best are my people historically have to offer in terms of attractive women I didn't know you were Welsh yeah genetically I guess whatever high five I thought I was like the only Welsh guy on the internet I mean I'm an American but my whole family is from Wales they don't have like have internet in most of ways don't you guys make all that grape juice how is Moeller connecting to the internet right now then series of tubes he's in one of the series of tubes that's an ancient meme right there it is a series of tubes I feel like now that it's 2020 we need to bring back like early 2000s rage comics no we can skip that maybe those just maybe those stay dead I want to see like a series of like a series of ironic yeah it's ironic it's completely ironic that's the whole point but I'll check it out I don't really like I don't know the audio but I'll check that out because I do like audio stuff or the audio drama I've been trying to persuade Mewes to watch it and he hasn't done you haven't watched everything I know that well then what I'm suggesting is you owe me way more than I owe you that's true before I hop out I'm just going to see if anyone in chat knows anything about what I'm talking about I don't know most people don't know what you're talking about watching television programs children's cartoons Jay stop it alright I'm going to go bye bye Jay thanks I'll check it out yeah oh thank god Jesus hello Jay alright so we can actually talk about normal things now Doctor Who I have a suggestion for a good film of the decade or one of the best I know one of us or one of you agrees with me Captain America Civil War oh god careful why I'm asking to get triggered I don't really get too upset about other people enjoying things that I might not we do we hate it Marvel movies like they're just not for me I'm really not invested in them in the same way Star Wars I don't know I probably agree with this I just don't I think Marvel movies are so inoffensive in that they're so milk toast color by the book it's kind of like hard to get mad about them and that's how coming as somebody who's like a huge fan of the comic books I don't give a shit about Marvel movies that I can't get I didn't get excited about infinity war I didn't get excited about any of that shit it was just kind of like oh okay it's another Marvel movie but what is it causing you guys to not like it like what would a Marvel movie have to do to impress both better cinematography or writing or death no death is like so the presentation do anything different too many things different so that actually helped in that sense infinity war there weren't really stakes were they I know but for that movie there weren't when you got to the movie after that but for that movie there were some stakes I think so it ended in a way that didn't wrap things up in a nice happy bow I liked that it was also really well paced because they were forced to include so many different storylines that they cut out a lot of the fat usually in Marvel movies there's a lot of like kind of forced comedic breaks that I'm not really a fan of like I never really get too much into the humor and I found that that was really trimmed down for for infinity war it felt like every scene more or less had an excuse or a purpose towards being there it didn't really feel like it dragged on so that's really what helped my experience there when it comes down to like the overall presentation of Marvel movies they're not like terribly presented but they do kind of feel bland to some extent you don't really see much of the director's personality at all which is part of why whenever you got like a director who really wanted to have their personality shine like Edgar Wright that wound up getting canceled because you know then it would just conflict you explain James Gunn Marvel wanted the films to be like yeah James Gunn has like his own comedic personality but it's not so much in the directing style I don't think you don't think so? I think Godin's is very kind of there's elements there but nothing like nothing that I would really consider to be enough to write home about honestly yeah I just the music is really unmemorable for the most part there's a great every frame of painting video the scores of the Marvel universe and there's some response to it and debunked most of it in terms of my own experience with Marvel movies in general I would say that the biggest reason why I'm not huge on them is because they're alright to me there's nothing like so exceptional about the way that they're presented or really any element for me as someone who's not already invested in these characters I'm not like a comic book person so when it comes down to the presentation when everything is just like fine and especially also the story like you can kind of predict where things are going you know how it's going to end for the most part in every every film I want to see something that's either so terrible that I'm entertained or so amazing that I'm entertained but when we get down to like the middle of the road just like this was alright I really just like I prefer not to watch those movies when I could essentially take a Marvel film and imagine how it's going to be and get more or less the same experiences going to the theater when I could just sit at home and imagine it instead now I completely agree as someone who is invested in the characters who has read hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of comic books I don't care and that sounds bad but it's like I'm honestly more interested in DC movies only because they're so likely to be terrible they are to be decent and I don't know what that is in me I you know I do know what it is I know what it is is that I showed up I used to go to Marvel releases in costume okay I was that kind of fan and I showed up to see Man of Steel in a costume and I'm a huge Superman fan and my friend who hates Superman sat next to me in the theater and watched every bit of joy and happiness and excitement drain out of my face and I have never felt anything about a comic movie since then that's yeah I understand that I waited four hours to see the premiere of Indiana Jones 4 I was excited to see an Indiana Jones movie in theaters and that didn't really go so well I kind of killed my enthusiasm but as for the MCU what did you guys think of the boys in comparison I'm looking forward to it at least okay yeah it seems like something that might be at my alley I don't do anything for me anymore I want something different from them let me put it this way the Marvel movies are following the exact same trend that the comic books are following which is that they kind of they go towards an actual stake if you want to call it that oh man like with Endgame people are actually going to die and then they immediately reverse it there was a really good story and this is reflected both in Marvel with Daredevil as it was reflected in DC with Green Lantern series in Green Lantern it was with oh shoot with Parallax and with Daredevil it was the story called Shatterland where in Daredevil's story they became the bad guys they became a true supervillain and then in both stories they got dropped because we can't let that character actually become a bad guy because they're the good guy in the Parallax storyline it was like 10 years of time that had passed so it was far longer for Hal Jordan to be quote unquote redeemed but I see the things that I dislike about comic books now being reflected in comic book movies and what I like in comic books particularly something that DC has done well and this is true is in legacy characters so we have Batman should pass the mantle to Dick Grayson who should pass the mantle to I don't know Jason Todd or whoever or to Damien Wayne that's what's fun is seeing the mantle pass having the same characters rehash the same stories rehash the same problems over and over again is boring and even for me as a comic book fan it's stupid but do stakes only have to be whether or not a character dies no it does not we had to see the character grow and change yeah but we have done that with several characters over the MCU and Civil War makes use of all of that in their story I don't know if they really did I think that Marvel has done a pretty good job I will say that Marvel has done a far better job than DC than Warner because Warner is shit but comparatively we have seen a lot of these characters change but I don't see where this is going forward I guess they had to introduce all new characters I want to see characters grow and change and then be passed on and if Marvel is willing to actually do that to be done with Captain America to be done with a lot of these characters then I'm fine with that Hawkeye for example is one of my favorite superheroes one of my favorite characters in all of Marvel and I like him in the MCU even though he is a completely different character than he is in the comics because he's had an arc we've seen Hawkeye be a different person in every movie that he's been in there are little bits of those movies that I like but overall I find them very predictable and because they're predictable I tend I guess I would compare every MCU movie is very much like Avengers vs X-Men as a comic book story which is that I know what's going to happen I know how this is going to turn out it will always return to the status quo and that to me is boring and that's just my opinion but again as someone who's been reading comics my entire life I don't want to see the MCU movies go the same way the comics have been going for decades I think that that's what's going to happen unfortunately is that we're going to have a bunch of obscure stories that are going to kind of unwind the big build up that the MCU has and maybe they'll try and go back and do an alternate version of the same characters because we've already kind of used up all the big money plotlines that people are aware of kind of like the Star Wars situation I'll just take the complete reverse position I think that the MCU for the past decade has actually been some of the most stellar mainstream character work we've actually been able to see from a giant corporation they've been setting trends and teaching people how the fuck this works with characters Iron Man's Journey is one of the best cinematic character development sequences I've seen for a major series I agree for a major series yes I guess that I'm being too harsh the stakes of Civil War through the roof on an internal level and then Infinity War is the external Civil War's question is will the heroes even be able to is it legal for them to defend the world anymore and how will they ethically move forward with that on top of the fact that they actually have a struggle internally that has splintered them completely so now half of them are vigilantes and the other half work for the government is fascinating to me I'm not like huge into it honestly like the in terms of like a major franchise having a character develop over time yeah it's one of the better ones for sure there aren't that many franchises that span over this long with this many films and stories within them in the first place and they handled it really well in terms of connecting it everything together well oiled machine and that's why you see so many other studios trying to replicate that and doing their own extended universe and what not when it comes down to the stakes I'm like usually in most like PG-13 superhero movies I don't really feel too invested in the stakes like even when it came to Civil War I just I'm not a huge fan of Iron Man I find them kind of annoying personally and when the conflict of that movie was like oh should we be able to save people or should we get the bureaucratic powers of the United Nations to sign off on it first I found that a little silly honestly like yeah the villain will wait they'll wait for you to get the sign off come on I don't know I wasn't really into that I would say that I agree with you that that's not what happens character development that has happened in the MCU has been fantastic for being a major motion picture franchise you do get like we do see characters like Iron Man in particular change although I also think that we look at let's just take Iron Man okay let's just take Iron Man he kind of stopped developing after a certain point and what point would you pick I'm ready for this fight let's go I'm as one of the best characters in like cinema history okay I wanted Iron Man to be an alcoholic in Iron Man 3 instead of having PTSD Iron Man 3 is the big fuck up but Civil War attempts and successfully fixes the fuck up of Iron Man 3 quite significantly making use of the PTSD while removing the fact that everyone's laughing at it it becomes like super serious and informs all of his decisions instead it becomes more serious here's the thing I think that the MCU takes careful steps in a lot of places because it is so calculated it's calculated in a good way in terms of being very entertaining for everybody but I do feel like Iron Man is barely a character in a lot of the movies that he shows up in afterwards like in Spider-Man Homecoming or even in Can I just interject really quick Yeah sure we can debate about Homecoming because I'm trying to separate the writing from the presentational aspects in my mind because I feel like my problem with the movie is that like it has kind of a boring palette to it and the CGI doesn't look very good and that combination with the kitschy writing is what makes it known as a Marvel movie and that can be done well and it can be done poorly but like the character aspect of it I feel like when you consider that this is a recurring series that has movies that are singular movies but then it also has recurring characters in it that are from other things they don't necessarily have to have an arc within that story that they're being presented in like if Iron Man shows up in an Avengers thing his arc isn't going to be the same kind of arc as if he has more screen time in his own movie so like if a character comes in and acts the way that you expect them to in a Marvel movie I don't think that that's a point against the story and I'm not exactly sure if it's the actual character and story telling of their arc that's the problem as much as it is the way that it's presented and feels like a TV show sometimes I think I feel like a TV show do you mean like it's a revert back to the status quo at the start of the new episode because that's I don't think it's on the creative writing side I think it's on the directorial production side because it's almost impossible right when you have so many people working on these movies to have characters and look it's I don't even think that because this is a problem in the comic books themselves as well is that any time that a writer takes over a character they give their own voice they give their own life to that character that's going to be different from another another writer and I feel like all I see that's happening in the MCU is exactly what I have seen happening in comic books for 40 years yeah but okay let me just break that down because I know I've talked to Maul about this before but I met with some people that are that worked for Marvel this guy that worked for the Donner company Derek Hoffman shout out to him I really like that guy he's a writer and he was working on an X-Men related show and he was basically the nerd version of the script editor he was in charge of making sure everything was fitting into the Marvel canon and and ultimately the feeling of Marvel comics in television format and he broke down to me that the priorities are the story first so what the script is entailing and what they're trying to tell the story you know the plot everything and then the budget is secondary and then comic book fans are the third priority because the actual subscription of Marvel comics is only like 200,000 readers or something and the mainstream audiences that watch Marvel content are mainstream audiences they're not comic book fans so even though I agree with like the fandom menace and all the comic book fans that are you know your boy Zach and all these people that are speaking truth to the comic book industry they're not the target market so oh no we're not no so when we see Civil War and we see the characterization of Tony Stark and Captain America's argument being almost inverted from the comic book plot line but it's still the comic book plot line we get a little bit upset but if we disconnect ourselves from that presentation and realize they're presenting these stories to the mainstream audience we I think you'll appraise it in a different fashion Mahler convinced me that the Civil War division is just as good as the one that's in the comic book like their values just understanding me I really don't like the Civil War comic book I much prefer the movie over the comic book the comic book was a shit show the comic book was a shit show for so many reasons I didn't dislike Civil War my only point was that my only point in all of this because apparently people are really mad at me now the thing is I might only point about the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that I kind of don't care about it that's my only point on it in terms of Civil War I thought it was one of the better movies I thought Winter Soldier was better I'll put it that way I like Winter Soldier better than Civil War and that Civil War was a great film I liked Endgame I liked Infinity War I thought well I mean Endgame I didn't like so much as Infinity War Infinity War was a good movie but I just don't have any more like emotional energy to put into these films when every single one seems to end with the status quo being resumed the status quo is destroyed by the end of Civil War was it though? yes yes well you guys like trolling me right now no it's been a while since I've seen it it's when a Civil War come out like five years ago so I have to do a Civil War video no no no please no because I legitimately don't remember it's been a while so what ended in Civil War changed the status quo as far as the government I'm not trying to be confrontational as far as the government are concerned Captain America Black Widow Captain Falcon not Vision Scarlet Witch and whoever else is on their team for lack of memory right now if they're seen they'll be arrested if not killed that's their position at the end of that movie and that position prevents them from being a united team for when Thanos attacks and there's a very good argument to be made that if they were all one united team they would have defeated him that's how Iron Man feels at the beginning of Endgame he blames Captain America for all of what happens okay yeah I guess but hmm I have to rewatch it I will have to rewatch it because I don't what was he saying how would they have stood up to Thanos at all I don't get that well they came seconds from defeating him if not for Peter as in Peter Quill fucking up um Iron Man fighting him one on one actually manages to put up a fight but imagine the rest of the Avengers being there that's the fault of Civil War that they weren't there sure they're not a connected team but isn't it kind of a coincidence that he got on the ship and was brought there all that Iron Man oh well he's reacting right and they meet up with Doctor Strange they're all in the city the Avengers compound is in or is it near New York yes it's in New York but the thing is this exact same stuff happens in the Infinity Gauntlet as well in terms of the original comic book adaptation they're not everybody is all together in the comic books as well I guess to me I don't know I guess because I'm looking at this stuff as somebody who's read all the original source material and I'm not saying by the way don't get me wrong because that is not what I'm saying is not that oh it's not close to the source material in fact what I'm saying is the opposite that the source material is boring and I'm saying as a comic book fan yeah but that's they chose this material because they ultimately had a meta narrative that they wanted to plan ahead of time and they needed a big bad and the biggest bad that they could come up with was Thanos Thanos is a great villain Infinity Gauntlet is a great comic it is a great graphic novel however I'm just afraid of George Perez but the thing is that what the failure of comic books is that they are cyclical in nature and why I have stopped carrying okay when the first couple of Marvel movies came out and I mean Iron Man the original Iron Man Thor even though it wasn't very good Captain America the first one which was also not that good but a lot of those early movies I was very excited for them the original Avengers and I was very excited for it but I started to feel like the movies were a little bit repetitive in that I didn't feel as if there was any stakes anymore and maybe that's me being cynical well if we refocus though so you said that the status quo wasn't changed if we just yeah yeah it has a status quo changed up to the end of the Civil War and you provided example of that and Avengers Age of Ultron and I guess most like the status quo does change at the end of Winter Soldier Shield is destroyed they're replaced by the Task Force which you could argue is less of a status quo change and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you but then I would actually refocus on saying that the main status quo changes in Marvel are way more focused on character but Civil War shakes up the most of all of the Marvel films Civil War probably does the most with the because look now there's so many Marvel films that I have to even try to remember what happened in each one but does that remind you of the first time that you read the comics because that's my takeaway has been that it's been one of the most interesting ways to introduce the comic book experience to people that don't read comic books because most people don't know anything about this because when I think about my experience reading comic books and this is just my okay so this is my subjective experience which is stupid but it really is in my opinion but no seriously like I can think about times where I've read like X Factor and I can tell you what happened in this issue of X Factor and I could tell you that'll stop my head and I'm not saying that I can remember the earlier Marvel movies better than I can the ones that like Age of Ultron I barely remember I fell asleep now I know apparently that's my meme but I fell asleep during what was it actually one of the good X-Men movies Days of Future Past I fell asleep during I did watch it later but I fell asleep in the theater during that whatever it's so much and if you want to call it Superhero Fatigue maybe that's just what I get from it and I guess that is my own experience but that is my experience of someone who's read all the comics and so your mileage may vary on that as a superhero comic book fan my mileage is very being bored by seeing things that I read 20 well I'm not even 30 yet but seeing things that I read 10 years ago rehashed and not seeing a lot of now I would say that at the end of the total of the Marvel story you get a lot of character resolution Iron Man has a complete character arc Captain America has a complete character arc we see these characters grow and change but a lot of the individual films feel hollow I would say Civil War is one of the better ones but that's kind of what I'm trying to defend because you'll find I'm one of the biggest attackers of certain Marvel films like I think Captain Marvel is one of the worst films of like the mainstream it's just terrible like in every aspect of writing it's kind of insane Captain Marvel is what non Marvel fans think Marvel movies are yeah like I'll call a spade a spade I just I don't know just a lot of the arguments for Civil War often just run out pretty quick like Adam you're still here right you know like Hulk jumping around to save the world from the evil aliens that will destroy the entire planet is it okay if he kills a few civilians while doing that yes what about like a hundred if the stakes are everybody dies or some number less than everybody dies I think that this is just going to be a series of questions should anyone be accountable for the families of those people um so okay so in Civil War were they they were like I saw it only once when I was in theater so was there some sort of plot element of people seeking some sort of like damages financially or well we see that the countries are uniting over the fact that the Avengers don't seem to care about what they leave behind there's like this many aspects of the film um but not only that somebody directly implicates Iron Man as the reason why some die yeah yeah there was that kind of like a moment near the beginning where they were like you know all these hundreds of people that die from really far away in the Avengers actually they're real people we needed to remember about that yeah um yeah I mean like of course they're going to be like moral implications to it but when this when you're dealing with this kind of universe where literally there's characters that can just blow up the planet I mean if you if you got to act fast you should probably do that so let's let's have people signing off on every single action let's put a big tick on Hulk he's good even like even if we had those families in the room would be like guys he saved the world okay so fuck off all right good stuff next person cap uh downing the areas in Washington after he'd had them neutralized which actually goes against what captain fury wanted and his reasoning was these weapons in anyone's hands are too fucking dangerous so I'm going to crash them all and this people screaming he destroys like this enormous building and they're cleaning up the wreckage for it eight years later we got a throwaway line and homecoming to say that um so I mean like if if we're going to talk about Captain America doing something dangerous for no reason again it's not no reason a lot of people agree with this decision I think there's safety too because there's still shield agents on board all the hera-hera carriers so it's dangerous the thing is that they plan to kill millions of people has been neutralized yeah so I mean like the um what's Sam Jackson's character's name again you just said it Nick for fury I mean like if let's say they wanted to have some sort of system in place where there was a first in command and then people would be held accountable for their actions if they went against the orders of Nick fury then that would make a lot more sense than what I remember in the movie being as any time you want to be able to save the world you have to get like several nations to sign we're going to get in there like that's the issue that I had right climbing up the staircase so the current system was the shield took care of them and fury answered to the big council of the world council and Ross actually says that that was their setup but they can't let that be the setup anymore and this is what prompts this is age of ultron where iron man essentially nearly destroys the entire world himself there is no saving the world aspect because he caused ultron and then it gets punctuated by the beginning of civil war where scarlet witch makes age of ultron is my favorite bit of development for trying to start yeah I think that's the thing I felt like it was it wasn't not it was dropped okay okay so I really hate to do this because I have to bring up favorites on comic books okay wait wait wait wait we pause that pause that because I'm on a I'm getting there I'll put that to sidebar so with scarlet witch makes a decision to instead of blowing up a bunch of people on the ground floor she blows up a bunch of people in an upper floor she's made essentially a decision to kill a bunch of people to save a bunch of people and how come she gets to make that decision that's really that's this has to stop there has to be accountability if a police officer it all comes back down to that famous psychological train experiment or whatever well but we're dealing with five on each side of the track at that point she chose to save Captain America because of course she did it's an inevitability when you have this universe where people have superpowers honestly man like with Civil War I was so fucking glad they finally made that movie because I was like how is nobody picking up on this with world governments this is insane like the Avengers get away with so much shit and you might be like they're saving the universe I don't care if they're saving the universe when they get in this many people killed like how reckless do you have to be if you're saving a bus full of children from a terrorist inside it and you come in firing your machine gun you shoot them in the head and kill them you accidentally killed ten children as well you're like well you know I saved the bus there has to be accountability and that's what Ross is talking about there's actually spots on the map from other places that they could reference throughout the movies and if you give them the careful eye you're like holy shit there's some stuff they're doing in here that's really fucked and obviously they understand, they get it and so it's not, you cannot save the world without our approval if Thanos arrives with an enormous army and they're right outside of Avengers HQ which happens in Endgame they're not gonna wait for a fax from the UN to say they can do anything was that not the point of like was that not the main conflict no Iron Man literally cancels out the portion of the government's influence whenever he actually wants to he's just doing it to appease them in the film which is the position I actually agree with appease the governments but if something happens then you cannot wait for approval from oh absolutely not the same thing say for example there is like a Obadiah stain type character in like an African country killing a bunch of people with a giant robot suit yeah you might need to get some jurisdiction issues sorted before they go in and blow everything up but if we're dealing with an alien that's about to blow up the earth and he just arrives like go for it guys fuck the UN will get over it it's just a pragmatic approach we can't have the Hulk jumping on people every once in a while we need to actually have because again that's the whole point of the film all these families that get affected they got no one to account of that's the point of the villain he's got no one to go to his husband his wife his kid and his dad all died thanks to Tony Stocks well PTSD infused issues of trying to protect the world he's got no one to my issue would be like if my issue would be with the idea of if they actually did what it was on paper instead of treating it like a case by case basis um well I assume that's the point I take an issue with a perspective in the film not necessarily the film itself addressing it uh do you like do you like being Ross's perspective specifically because obviously Cap doesn't agree with that just Iron Man his perspective in the film and if you I mean like perhaps I don't know was there a point where he literally said like in the first half of the movie that he's just doing it to appease them but he'll still he'll still you know he said we need to be put in check but the people on his side say it's good to have one hand on the wheel and then by the end of the film he literally lies to Ross in order to help Winter Soldier the end of the movie yeah sure that's just Iron Man's position yeah I mean I don't know like all of us here if you guys said you'd rather be vigilantes I'd be like just agree with them guys like it's we'll be vigilantes eventually sure but for now just say yes and until something horrible happens that we have to go deal with and they punish us for that so be it but for now just say yeah sure we'll do whatever you want sure yeah I I agree with that perspective I think that that makes sense all movies a civil war on a misunderstanding yeah misunderstanding of what cap is principled the reason why he won't agree to this is because it's it's lying okay so he just agrees with Iron Man lying I'd say he disagrees with the entire premise that a government system could have any control over a group of powerful people because of his experiences with shield with Nazis and stuff and he doesn't want to yeah I mean that that Iron Man tries to tell them several times it's just the pragmatic approach it's not like they're actually handing over the keys to the avengers powers but that's how Cap Caesar even says it's like a that's where it'll lead and he sees the scarlet witch being trapped in the compound it's just a step toward that there's just control control the way nobody can control scarlet witch let's be really this is the saint I don't know a sniper could kill her you gotta be careful yeah she can get shot and die scarlet witch scarlet witch I okay I hate the people are now going like more comics with comics with comics but even within the MCU scarlet witch can affect reality she is a reality I don't exactly know where her powers fall in the MCU but in the comics and I'm guessing that's what they base it on she is a reality worker which means that what she does in the comics for example as it says one day snap no more mutants and there are no more mutants that's M-Day and that stuff all can happen so you with people who are omega level power like that you can't really lock them up and put them in a shield facility particularly when we know how shield is often infiltrated or corrupted which would go back to a witcher soldier that's not her power in MCU she does not she just she can't snap her fingers and turn everybody normal are we sure about that because I'm not only because that power didn't manifest at some point until later in the comic books but she's probability manipulation I guess more in the MCU they don't have a specific yeah they're not very powers if you were talking about telekinesis slash mind control yeah I remember watching The Age of Ultron that's confusing and I would say okay it's confusing because imagine if you had all these cosmic level powered characters and you had to actually have a story with all the characters contributing evenly I mean Captain America is the least powered out of all these characters besides Black Widow maybe they have to keep up somehow so they have to do some flashy action and if you have a character like Scarlet Witch who's apparently the most powerful character somehow you have to keep that like down so maybe she has a distance that her powers work at or something but if she has all these powers that we don't know about that are in the comic book you know we can't tell where her powers are because it's not in the movie I don't know either because the movies aren't clear about what her powers are so I guess like what am I supposed to base it on either way Ross believes that they can I don't know all I'm saying is that I don't know and apparently nobody else does either so exactly what the extent of Scarlet Witch's powers are I mean she's powerful enough to be an extreme danger if she became a villain which is a good okay which is a good point of the plot of Civil War that makes sense it makes sense because yes we know that she's got crazy stupid powers yes it should be tracked by the government but Cap's obvious concern with that is that well he sees it going into a fashistic direction that all makes sense that is honestly the movies do a better job of portraying the plot of Civil War than the comics do and that's true but I just don't see how that film ends up I guess I don't see how it ends up being significantly different than it was beforehand because that's the same problem the comics had as well to account for a bit of chat as well it says as much as I hate to say they're mad at both of us don't worry this is Civil War has a Civil War about it in discussion trust me as much as I hate to say but according to the Accords Mueller is wrong if you're referring to the fact that the Accords will say they cannot do anything without first the approval of the UN that's not what I'm actually arguing I'm arguing that in the case of a planet destroying threat they're not gonna wait for the message from the UN whether or not the UN demand that they do however the whole point of the UN taking control of the heroes is that when a family gets murdered they have to be like wait who's accountable for this like the government they sanctioned this this is the result of collateral damage I'm sorry that's how it'll work instead of well I don't know Tony Stark figured that that was the best way to go about doing that and it's like wow you guys don't even want to leash and it's like the second one is hang on there's three all a lying I don't think that's why Cap disagrees 100% Cap disagrees with the idea of a governing body controlling the heroes in any way shape or form he thinks that it's in the power of the individual he trusts people he doesn't trust organizations you think he almost says that verbatim third one is I disagree with your premise Tony outright says that he wants the Accords to control him personally nope he says that he wants accountability he wants them to be put in check he thinks morally that the Avengers do have a responsibility the problem is he more so than anyone else would feel that way because of Age of Ultron and he's not taking into account the fact that not everybody is as reckless as he is but he feels guilty it's consuming the shit out of him in that movie can I talk really quickly about Age of Ultron and my a little bit of issue there with Tony Stark so Tony Stark character is replacing Hank Pym in terms of who created Ultron in that situation but I never really got because what is so powerful in the original Ultron storyline is that Hank Pym feels like an Ultron in response is it's a father son relationship and I just didn't get that out of Age of Ultron and you could disagree with me on that I don't think it's supposed to be a father son relationship but it is in the comics and again I'm sorry but something that I thought was missing in that storyline is for Tony to truly feel like he created this it was his son because in terms of why Hank Pym created Ultron I'm not saying things have to be a 1 to 1 recreation but what I'm saying is what was powerful about that original storyline okay I'm not saying it needs to be a 1 to 1 recreation I'm saying what was powerful about that original storyline is that Hank Pym created Ultron to protect the Avengers and to do their job while they couldn't do it because they're actual people he created this robot and a lot of that is reflected in Age of Ultron Tony is doing his best but the father son dynamic was missing and it's something that I really wanted out of Age of Ultron I don't care if it's Hank Pym or Tony Stark I wanted that father son dynamic that I thought was really missing in that film because it would have been something that would have given us more to Tony particularly as somebody who is involved in this relationship with Pepper Potts that's something that would have I think really elevated Tony's storyline but was it missing because you were looking for it maybe it was but it's something that I think I'm just saying it was