 And howdy folks welcome to 21 live. I'm Anthony dream Johnson Founder and CEO of 21 studios and the 21 convention and all things 21 including make women great again Today have with me the one and only YouTube's bad boy of psychology Richard Grannon from Spartan life coach Who's linked to his channel, which is huge by the way? 135,000 subscribers, I believe you can find that there's like below as well as the card Top of the video after we're done filming Richard. Thanks for joining me Thank you very much and thank you for dubbing me the bad boy of psychology. Yeah What I was titling it I was like, what you know, like I said, what is gonna encapsulate this guy the best I'm like that is exactly who he is the bad boy of psychology In addition to being the bad boy of YouTube of psychology He's also one of our top celebrated speakers at the upcoming 21 convention 2019 of Warsaw, Poland is one of the biggest speakers we have this year A lot of guys are really excited to have him out including myself They're meeting Richard for the first time in Warsaw here in a few weeks about two months from now That event is gonna be July 18th to the 21st 2019 in Warsaw, Poland Tickets are now on sale at the 21 convention org. That's dot org link in the description So today I want to talk to Richard as well about, you know, who he is why he's speaking But what he's bringing to the table for you guys at the convention as well as what we can get into here Richard's been hugely influential in my own life I had two guys since my crazy divorce with the infamous Medusa I would say the role of Tomas and Richard granted have been both to the top guys influencing me since that point in a very positive Very healthy way. So I'm really happy to have Richard out at the convention He almost spoke last year in 2018 But then last minute was able to make it but then he gave us a speech he filmed on his own He was gonna give it a convention and that's since gone viral. It's got 350,000 views I think or something like that, which is really strong. I was really really happy to see that He's also a little bit about that first of all the speech you almost gave last year at 21. Yeah on YouTube anyway Well, first of all, thanks for inviting me to Poland and thanks for having me on today. Oh, yeah regrettably I had that I Spent myself doing a tour in America and I got singles in my ear and That was like going and coming and going and coming and right before the convention I was supposed to do it. I was getting a pains and I just thought I'm gonna do this Especially with the the medical situation in America. I don't know what kind of insurance I need to travel with some Nobody nobody knows either you just do it's all of a sudden flux. Yeah, they'll be like, what is this weird British? Give us a million dollars upfront. And so I On that video on that course That I wanted to do for 21 studios. I wanted to particularly focus on from a man's point of view what kind of issues he would face with and female Narcissed or borderline personality disorder or cluster B personality disordered person and the reason Fulfilling a need to do that is because the space Online that talks about these issues is fairly Dominated by women, which means the narrative is dominated generally by women now My viewership is around 50 50 for men and women But if you look through my comments, it's women who are talking more There are multiple reasons for that some of them are biological some of them are cultural There's things to do with all kinds of issues but people are talking about so I really wanted to say hey When guys are facing this this is what you're gonna be looking at and I Suspects that the reason why it went viral apart from the fact that you already have a very very strong platform there were 21 studios is because Guys felt like they were being spoken to and I was talking to their experience. I guess mm-hmm Yeah, I think right at the beginning of the video you got into that that in psychology today Most of it is any kind of criticism of female behavior is like instantly Let me talk about this in the right pill to in the man is here. It's all like pussy pass It's all like oh, it's just you know a guy's freaking out being misogynist like no You're making real criticisms on observations a real life Clancy talk to people don't need help And let's let's be really really clear with this like women also are targeted for doing this Like if women dare to criticize women they will be ostracized They will be I've just got sent a link by a female counselor today You had a big falling out with them some SJW friends of hers, and she sent me a link I'm just gonna get the woman's name. Um, I can't see her here I think her name was Julia Beck and she is a lesbian feminist who spoke out about these new Transgender policies where she was saying that she dared to commit the crime of saying there is a biological difference between men and women One and number two reason Treason treason absolute reason number two men should not be able to declare themselves women and then gain access To single-sex spaces like bathrooms where there are potentially little goals in there, and I'm sat there And I'm going wow she's saying the most simple thing I could ever fucking possibly imagine somebody saying and yet This person is on Fox News because she's being pilloried publicly For daring to state the obvious. It's an insane situation that we're in right now Which is is part of my the desire to want to speak at your Conventions and speak to With 21 studios and to talk to men it's the kind of rebalance a situation that's going on here And it's not men versus women and it's not left versus right It is insane versus sane Yeah, hell yeah, I'm all about that man I love it does feel like it's coming from your perspective to it for what you do and what your work is So make it's both amusing and real when I hear you say that so I'm all about it It's hard for me now after all these years of talking about personality disorders and talking about trauma and the effects of childhood trauma To not filter these things in a certain way one of the things that I would say is what you have with this extreme radical leftist Movement that we've got going it operates like exactly like borderline personality disorder en masse It is an effort to recruit external objects and external people To force them to do things that the individuals in that group should be able to do with their own ego functions But they can't because they are mentally ill and that's fine I'm all like hand them over to me hand them over to mental health professionals They need help don't listen to them. Don't do what they say. They're mad You should vote for them put them in the office That's definitely and now that I've said this somebody's gonna take a clip of this And I'll be attacked online for saying of people who are of this mindset or not mentally well and have a personality disorder Yeah, but they didn't mind when I said that Donald Trump had narcissistic personality disorder. You'll note interesting Yep, yep Yeah, something I talked with Sean Smith about a while ago I think we had it when we had him on the red man group You might have been on that one too, but we at some point we talked about cluster B behaviors and disorders Those behaviors being normalized in culture whether it's in whether it's real life You know in in the voting booth or like in school or obviously on Instagram We're just rampant endless display of your ass and your boobs Yeah, and anything anything you can do to get like this endless black hole of attention filled. Yeah, which is of course never filled They cannot be filled because it is it is a Problem that we face like we've gone deep quickly, but the main you usually do a much I think And the core issue that humanity is facing right now is an issue of consciousness We are not seeing each other. We are not seeing each other You think but we've never had more eyeballs on each other than ever before. No, that's the problem This does not let me see somebody. That's not it. That's not a human being. That's a little And it won't let you feel seen and in an environment where I'm surrounded by people who are distracted by technology Brainwashed with this fucking nonsense propaganda, which it is it's brainwashing It's propaganda and it is if this isn't evil then there's no evil has no you I need a send you an article I found I agree, but I found yesterday an article that was talking about It was it was this guy who was visiting, you know, some merit some campuses in America for college The university and he said being on these universities feels more like a hit the youth program And it does a center for education and for challenging yourself and learning It's like it's like creepy and that's just that and I believe it from what I experienced in college That's pretty accurate and I was a while ago in college, but that's just like in America I just moved out of my office today at the Liverpool science park I'm sort of halfway in and halfway out and not as in as I was before and so I often work at the Liverpool University Guild and I Often therefore when I'm sat there or I'm moving down the halls. I'm listening to people I'm seeing the posters on the walls. It is a creepy atmosphere. It's very creepy ideological possession is a real threat now these kids coming up They're bright kids and they're brainwashed into one mode of thinking now. I don't mind It's not to me It's not a question of whether they they they agree with me and my fucking stupid opinion or anybody else's It's that they're not being allowed to think if they happen to be of the left Let them be of the left if they happen to be of the right let them be of the right But let them make a choice, but they don't have a choice now because if you dare step out of line You will be stamped on hard and there's this weird. He's easy. I agree with him. I mean Some people would say Hitler youth is too strong and I would say well hang on a second The idea of the Hitler youth was to move a massive it was to move the next generation the young To to radicalize them to get them ideologically possessed to get them moving in a direction How is it different in its essential principles? It isn't it's just a dangerous Yeah, it's fucking creepy man And it's you know, of course the irony is that they accuse me of being Radicalizing young man or all the shit and you and it's just fucking nonsense Well, I mean it's like gaslighting is what it is on like a grand scale It's gaslighting on a grand scale and I do have a degree of compassion who are doing that and saying that because They're not in their right mind like so they'll go a Richard granon is is radicalizing young men Anthony Johnson is radicalizing young men in a certain direction and I would go Where's the radicalization asking people to think asking people to be rational giving people that what's your favorite philosophy? Objectivity Objectivism giving them a mode of thought is radicalization That's that's insane. I mean I had this conversation with somebody. I was actually working with them and he accused me He said your videos whilst you say you're left leaning they segue into videos by Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro So you're a soft. What do you call me like a soft entry drug to Ben Shapiro and Gateway drug or something And I went First of all, I'm just doing YouTube videos the YouTube algorithms. I don't know what they're doing second of all So what why if you're on the left? Why are you scared of somebody listening to Jordan Peterson? Why are you scared to listen to somebody listening to Ben Shapiro? It really reminds me what you said earlier just a few minutes ago that you know You're seeing cluster B behaviors and disorders like on a grand or whatever you called a grand scale kind of thing That's that's just like a control freak That's someone really really insecure control freak wants to control like what you see what everyone sees all the fucking time That's how it feels. That's how it feels too. It's abusive. It's a white-scale abusive relationship, but it's it's coming This is the compassion part. They're terrified They have been gaslit themselves so they're gaslighting others because they've been gaslit that when it's rooted in terror You need energy to do the shit that they do you need motivation to do the shit They're terrified and now they're so terrified of the world They've gone beyond being terrified of disease and war. They're scared of ideas This guy was saying let thinkers and speakers who don't agree with me be de-platformed Because I'm terrified that other people may agree with them. I'm going well I think a new a new meme they had is that they say words are violent Which is just fucking delusional like no We're not even talking about words inciting immediate violence Like words in general like this This is that this is their mindset is an idea is terrifying words of violence I was looking at this guy and I was going so you would want to shut because I'm left. He's left You want to shut the right down and he goes. Yep de-platform. Yep. I'm like, well, you're obviously not very confident in your beliefs Then I'm like come on bring me a right. Let me let me sit and talk to somebody who's on the right Let's have a good conversation. Let's discuss it. Let's debate it not be silent silence silence or death. Yes Shut up and bake my cake you fucking bigot This is tyranny that they're acting like tyrants and ironically they're bitching and moaning all the time about fucking phallocentric power structures while rebuilding a new one with themselves at the top Yeah, this has been a fun conversations. I don't even know how we got to this point. This is fucking great I've started sweating slightly So let's take a step back so right What is for the viewers who don't know you like what is your primary, you know One or two focuses with your work on YouTube and your website SpartanLifeCoach.com Horse hunting SJW All right, the Paul Revere of YouTube My I would say in some regards that I am an SJW I'm a social justice warrior to the extent that I believe I'm left. I believe in social justice I believe that if people are mentally ill and suffering and some Institution or some doctor or some book has a solution that would solve Everybody's pain then we should take that and hand it redistribute that That's that capital that wealth to people so and that would to me be social justice It's social injustice when the psychiatric community when the medical profession withhold solutions from people Treats their mentally ill clients with contempt and lets them suffer for profit. That would be social injustice So in a certain sense you could say I actually when I started this it was a social justice warrior But my predominant focus is helping people to overcome pain that is rooted in an emotional or psychological problem And most of the time though that pain will be becoming from toxic relationship Either with a lover or a friend or a family member or a parent or something, right? Yes It tends to be my family and obviously so say again. That's obviously how I found you I don't know exactly what point I found you but it's researching, you know cluster B disorders on YouTube Based on my own personal experience with my ex-wife. So at some point I found you I was like, oh, this guy's fucking awesome I like this British man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much So so so you like some red coats sometimes. Yeah lobster backs. I call them lobster backs direct Rick I'm bringing it back couple hundred years I'm gonna concentrate on convention of powdered wig with a red Yeah, dude, I'm gonna wear an uncle. I'm gonna wear like an American flag t-shirt and like Opportunity So the they ended up Because my background is in martial arts and teaching people self-protection Which was about helping people defend themselves against criminal predators who usually like nine times at a time a mentally ill So then it went to Issues in relationships issues in childhood narcissistic family units narcissistic partners and Emotional abuse and the effects of emotional abuse so My day-to-day right now is working with PTSD and complex post-traumatic stress response Which is I think covers pretty much most of what people are suffering with when a human being is suffering It's often because of trauma is related to love I got to say that cptsd is a complex post-traumatic stress disorder was a real What to call a light bulb going off in my head like a real eye opening moment when I found that concept I think through you it might have been somewhere else But if it wasn't you then I found you right after talking about it And that's been a big is that also too is that a big part of what makes you controversial in psychology because that's not fully accepted yet Right either with either PTSD is to my knowledge for a while. Well PTSD is not PTSD is a really really tricky one because um, if The and it involves obviously there's a military issue certainly in britain And I don't know if it's the same in american but imagine it is but if we go PTSD is real and it's a it's a quantifiable qualified illness Um, and it's caused by x y and z then the compensation claims are going to go through the roof Against against the military. So it's it's a little bit, but most people would agree PTSD exists complex post-traumatic stress, but initially that was different, right? I think when it was first introduced as a concept it was dismissed Uh, for the most part right 100 100 20 30 years ago or something Um, well, it's existed in different formats. So if you go back to world war one, uh, we would we would have been talking about shell shock so We could In a slightly less nuanced way We would observe holy shit if a soldier's in an environment I mean you think like you take a bunch of boys from the countryside in devon Give them rifles stick them in a trench and then let really loud bangs go off next to the most people are dying They're gonna come back going. What the friggin? Well, I mean at least we've our generation of soldiers. We've seen movies. We've seen films. We know they knew nothing So I think some of them just broke and they were just went into shock So and it was the sound of the shells that would that would cause the shock then you had Uh, other concepts that came later like battle fatigue or combat stress I was and then PTSD I don't know. I'm not I would want to say like the 70s and 80s something like that So that makes I I'm ever reading about that that makes a lot of sense that the concept is basically evolved over time The cptsd kind of going through something similar now Um cptsd is a weird one. Are you probably did hear about cptsd for me because I'm constantly plugging the peep walker book Cptsd from surviving thriving, which you've got didn't you? Yes, I have it upstairs This is only my primary bookshelf. I was secondary as well not to humble not to brag too much But yeah, I love my books. I I have many leather-bound books in my house Dude when I walk around in here, I'd show off like the library the studio the gym The gun like the guy guns in the wall and shit. I have an american flag I have a 13 star flag. I'm looking at right here You should you should just casually just walk around the place like just let it roll in the background like oh I didn't know you guys could see all that. Oh, dude. We're gonna do uh We're gonna do soon like a like a red pill cribs kind of thing for 21 studios I'm actually changing the name. It's called dream world now when you walk in the house Very cool. I have neon signs of her. Let's say dream. I'm gonna get custom ones as well Let's say dream world and dreamland the bedroom is dreamland, but the house is dream world Obviously we're gonna land out too. So it's like Disney world and Disneyland kind of thing going on Disney world and then dream world Yeah, the the peep walker book is is is critical I was actually just having a conversation the other night over dinner with with a lady who's a published geneticist She's struggled with depression most of her life and she told me when I got her I convinced her to buy this book. It was a watershed moment for her as well Now this woman is at the highest levels of medicine. She's a doctor. She's published its genetics There ain't much that you or I should know more than she does About the way in which the body and the physiology could be affected by stress by pain by fear And yet she was telling me like it's just not part of her training at all and it's not It's not current thinking to think in this way It's still a very old fashioned. Uh, she's not a psychiatrist But psychiatry tends to be quite an old fashioned institution that thinks about things like if you have a mental illness They would rather it was a bug like a virus like I don't know herpes or something that they could then give a drug to cure Well, I was thinking about that too when you're talking a few minutes ago that In my opinion, not most but a lot of modern medicine a big chunk is not focused on solving problems But focused on treating symptoms and psychology and psychiatry seem pretty similar too Like they don't like what like why do you get why do you have depression like lack of antidepressant pills in your mouth? No, like there's a reason there's a reason you have this whatever the combination of factors that led to that are And that's what I love about your work is I think you're really digging hard at that issue And a time when it's not accepted to do so hence you're the bad boy of youtube That's what makes me the bad boy. This is this is why I say I think it's an issue of human consciousness that we're facing so this idea of Hype I like I I believe in individualism, but if we hyper fetishize Individualism as in if we hyper fetishize any ideology or philosophical standpoint. We get sick So the idea that if you're depressed You Anthony specifically have the symptom of It's like never in human history would we have ever assumed that we are tribal Creatures you're part of a group if you're manifesting these feelings and you're feeling this way It would always have been looked at Looked at in terms of the tribe and the environment Why would you why assume that you like it's so stupid and non-intelligence say Well, you're serotonin levels are low. Let's bring them up Yeah, it's a symptom. It's like it's not a fucking problem. It's and it's a logical fallacy It's convo go prop to hoc with this therefore because of this it's it's very rigid very old-fashioned thinking Modalities well, it's very primitive very shitty thinking lazy thinking is what it is. Just as a young man in america It's what it sounds like to me just studying what I study because it's stupid. Yeah lazy Low consciousness low consciousness cognition reading low consciousness Solutions which hurts people in the outside world which I think is why you and I both have an issue with bad Architecture and bad signing. Oh, yeah, dude. You're gonna love pulling man pulling the worst. That's amazing architecture They're they're very proud of what they do and they're very good at it too. That's undisclined over over develop stuff Before moving on from this point you did mention You know taking individualism for example to an extreme Our hyper individualism in my opinion what comes to mind for that as an example would be like Uh, kind of mindless like hedonism for example Like it's endless pleasure seeking without a purpose and without a limit Is that in line with what you're thinking and do you have another example for people? No, if fucking wasn't until I watched you and ed elliott holster the day having a little chat Gender wars. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, and then I had to have a think about things and I'm annoyed with elliot for making me Think it's annoying. I had to change my mind on some stuff. It was a good conversation you guys had um at the moment my major focus is healing my Co-dependency and I would hope in the future if I'm successful to be able to help other people heal their co-dependency Where I've seen myself moving in that journey Gently pushing myself in the right direction is towards a more aesthetic sort of Disciplined minimalist life because it seems to make me feel better So it was with great interest that I heard you two talking about Mindless hedonism being trapped in the material world being trapped in the palace of earthly pleasures and pleasure palace And how this actually In a sense is very very yin. It's very very feminine. It's very it's it's dark. It's not yang to do that You probably know it's better than I do But this is how this is one of the methods that cluster b women use to trap men the pleasure palace They take this to an extreme. They're all hypersexual I think it's probably all of them. That's true. That's true. It has to be said men also try and inflict the same Binding on women by because we know that if we give them powerful orgasms, it will you know, it bonds them Oh, where is their heart up here? Is it in their pussy? This is a good question from the red pill perspective What was that again, sir? Where is their heart? Is it up here? Is it in their pussy? I'm just asking questions like yeah No, it's but it is that one like should be the title of a chat that we do and we should probably get a few people on for that because It's it's it's a real It's a like you've really really got to go deep with that and it's and the same thing and the same thing for men like the division between love lost bonding You know orgasms. Is it good like as as you and Elliot were saying should you move in with each other? I think you said rollo had said don't move in with your girlfriend And is it is it good to move in with and have regular sex with somebody you're not planning on having a long-term relationship with No, it isn't why because when you fucking break up after 18 months or two years, you'll both be traumatized Why because you're not? hedonistic individual capitalist consumers or human beings Your kid isn't designed to do that Yeah, interestingly too. I know Sean Smith dr. Shanti Smith psychologist one of our speakers He cited some research or stats that were pretty reliable I think that uh, if you move in with somebody before And you what is it if you move in with them before getting married your chances of getting divorced or like significantly higher I don't know what the jump was but it was a pretty clear stat So i'm vatnin's good on stats like this and and I think he's quoted the same thing to me Yeah, he's a basic it really If you're looking for indicators that you're not going to have a successful marriage that that goes the distance That is a highly significant factor Well, it's kind of intuitive too though because I mean years ago I would have thought if I was 21 years old and you asked me an opinion I would have been like well If you live together beforehand you get to know each other better and then you can make a better choice But the reality plays out a lot differently than that It really does That little piece of of thinking Um, I also have thought that same thing. I think that's brainwashing I think we're propagandized and brainwashed to think in terms of choices like Um, you know before you buy a car, of course, you would take it for a test drive, right? But it's not it's not the same fucking thing Why would I have a girl's news? I'm like send me the nude first because I need to take you for a test drive That's just me being a fucking dick, but it works pretty good You break the system now now I want to say something serious about this nude thing because I'm I if I'm dating girls and I I go for girls I would like to have children so I go for girls who are younger than me and they're they're like 30 They're around the same age as you There you go They they do that Before I suggest it to them. It's become so normal And wrote they'll just go and now here not nudes. Maybe but they'll just be like Oh, hey, what are you doing on watching tv? But but and then all of a sudden I've got a picture of them in a thumb and I'm like I actually haven't gotten you naked myself yet So me being gen X. I'm like dumb me. I'm like, well, we used to talk about first base second base third base You know, you would be a progression you'd hold hands Then you'd kiss and then you'd like rub each other over your jeans a little bit And then you would progress over time But there was a linear time. I'm talking sex rather than relationships now There was a linear timeline for sexual contact And I think this whole fucking culture of sending pictures just ruins it because I mean for a guy, I mean never mind. It's one of my main methods of getting I do know what you mean though And I do miss that I think in the 2000s when I was picking up girls There was still a little bit of the leftover of that linear progression And that has all dissipated I'd say in modern at least in western culture that I've seen I know you're talking about it's gone. It's if all you're if all you're trying to do is have sex And have lots of sexual partners then sending them a dick pic is basically going look I'm a human dildo Do you want to fuck this piece of meat? And they'll look at it and go Yes, because because women Actually what I text them usually some that's one of my one of the things I'll text like I'm You could use that line. You because of Richard Brannan says do you want to fuck? I'll do that. Yeah But but the thing is that If if I if I may go to this but I know I can say things to you because philosophically you're very open That's you feminized because you've Turned yourself into the sexual prize that she is now to pursue You have reversed the roles a lot of guys like showing their bodies and stuff online and sending old pictures of their Cocks. I think that's a role. I think that's a role reversal and it's a result of Feminization it's a crazy statement for me to make if I show a picture of a cock. That's me acting feminine But it's it's saying you you want this, right? And women in their turn have become more Masculinized so I'll talk to women now and then like they're like everybody's become sexually autistic on the first date Girls are we going to meet? I'll give me a list. I'll go. I like anal. I like to be dominated I can do but yeah, and I'm like What the why are you saying? What you're tapping into I like this is interesting. So um, I disagree but I also think I don't think that's really the point The point is you're bringing up actually a whole debate that's been going on in the manosphere for a long time Like what's masculine? What's feminine even on the most basic level of chasing? Independent of the kicks and the nudes and all this other bullshit You know, who's gonna who's gonna chase who what's healthy and what's actually appropriate? Sure, I don't have the exact answer to that because that's a that's an ongoing debate. I've seen for years I don't I don't feel strongly about that. I mean because there are things like I've researched and I go look This is the way this is if it relates to trauma or emotional abuse. This is your area. So I'm just giving my dumb my idea Women have become more masculine and men How much we agree on completely? Yeah, the women are more masculine and men more feminine and that's horrible That's stupid What I did want to say though is that yeah, there's a couple core not a couple. There's many I don't know how many dozens or whatever Like core uh debates in the manosphere and that would be like direct versus indirect kind of game was an old school thing back in the day It still goes on today You know developing your inner game versus like how important that is versus like developing your skill set with women Both of which are important and then also chasing or it's not chasing both of which fucking work Which is the interesting thing They work really well And that might also get even to like I don't know if you're familiar with um like seduction types like on archetypes. No Uh wasn't robber green wrote a book on a years ago. There's he's not the only person in history to do that But there's basically there's very different mechanisms for seducer styles for seducing and interacting with women that work And they work really well if you if you get congruent to them So mine is a particularly odd one obviously I know guys who are much you know much more overtly or old-school masculine to do well There's also a guy that had a best friend growing up. He's dead now. He died of cancer years ago But he was like very feminine with women at least a do you just make fun of them? And then he would he met your famous girlfriends. Like this was it was hysterical They'll call him like some shit because he was very I forgot the seducer type is like the charmer or something Whatever whatever the fuck it is Anyway, there's a lot of different methods to succeeding. Yeah When you say the word work there you you can only say that something works if you define what the objective is What's the objective if it works? I mean the objective is whatever is going on in that particular context So if I if I see her say I see her body on like tinder or to borrow something and I want to have sex with her That's what's going to work. Like what's going to get her consensually into my bed Doing whatever I want having an amazing time So that sounds like a short term mating strategy. Like what you're trying to do is experience a variety of different women for short term things Sort of so I know you're getting at the question is Can you really it's so what comes to mind in my response is like Can you actually split women into categories of like good girls and bad girls? And the red pill would tell you no that all women are going to act very similarly So the question is there are short long term relationships They all need to begin in my opinion probably about the same way You'll see some variations. I think and you probably should but I don't know how much of a huge difference There should be So that's that's kind of the thing it's like do you really behave differently with a girl you want to have a Long term interest in it's like why do you even have that with a girl you don't even know her Like even if even if she's beautiful even if she checks all the boxes But that that assumes that you're saying I want something short term with this one and I want something long term with that one That's very externally focused. That's very much like the goals of defining how I feel So so this is where I'm up here and again I'm spitballing here because this relates to my own personal work on my co-dependency at the moment Is to sort of take the toys home? I'm taking all the toys home all of them They're all home now like nobody gets to play nobody's playing these are my toys and all I do is go What what are you bringing what do you want from me because I know what my goals are I know where I'm moving and I'm not I'm not sort of going Oh, I would like short term or long term or I'm just like no no no You're either in what I want to do or you're not in what I want to do That makes sense. So does it sound like otter gibberish? That sounds good That sounds like rollo's mental point of origin concept that you're just making it all by yourself Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me right so a mental point of origin is called it. Okay You're making yourself your mental point of origin rather than a woman. That's good. That's it. That's it What you just said that's exactly what I've been thinking so it's it's kind of It's kind of selfish in a way And also what I would say is that the codependent neurotic forming response Is is focused on I mean if we would it's not they're like people are going to accuse us of being sexist So let's just say this if we were gay we would be talking about men But we're talking like as heterosexual men we're interested in having sexual relationships and long term relationships with women So if it's women focused Aren't I being forced to live inside her reality if I'm sat there going what's her seduction type? Is she going to go for this? Is should I chase her shut up? I have to then think like and appease and form to and supplicate So somebody who doesn't know what they want from There's actually a really cool article I can send you from this guy Aaron clary an author and you know one of these been the red man group a couple times He wrote a he wrote a piece reviewing the book, you know ruch ruch v Yet you've mentioned him and I think you've sent me links in his before. Yeah good stuff Yeah, yeah, also a famous bad boy pickup artist. I mean he's like one of the baddest of the bad for sure But he wrote a book called game last year I think it came out and it was you know got banned off amazon should like that anyway You know what the book burning right modern book burning But this guy Aaron clary captain capitalism is his blog He wrote an article reviewing it and he said it was the most pro-female book ever written Which coming coming from ruch v is hysterical as a claim, right? I mean ruch is like notorious I mean he went on like dr. Oz make fun of fat women and like all kinds of shit I mean this guy is like hated by feminists even more than me by a significant margin. We're just pretty impressive But it was but he's getting out he was getting at exactly what you're getting at It's like how much do you want to curtail? He was doing it not on a more global scale not like an individual man doing something Yeah, it's like how many how many as a man today How much do you want to go into the world and modify your life to fit? What all these women want who don't know what they want and it's changing all the time in an environment that hates you A legal system stacked against you the founding court stacked against you You're gonna get you know the me too bullshit Like there's so many there's an endless list of problems for dating today in iraq your woman 100% and he thought ruch's book basically games. It's just like thick book. I have it That's somewhere around here. It's pretty pretty fat He kind of if i'm quoting his article right reviewing it He read the book like as like a manual to like navigate this endless minefield of bullshit today It's kind of black pill I guess but it's not His assessment is not entirely wrong and I could see where he's getting at with the ruch thing So he's just coming to mind based on what you're saying. What's what's black pill? Sorry Black pill would be like a well, don't don't quote me on this look it up But it would be like a more nihilistic pessimistic view of the world Okay, so looking at the truth of the red pill and then just going like totally like blackballing it like up We're fucked. We're doomed. We're all gonna die. Enjoy the decline. Just do whatever the fuck you want Yeah, I could be mischaracterizing it so you can look into it. I'm not huge on the black pill stuff There's so many fucking pills and then there's like alpha beta omega gamma like all this sigma like all these fucking archetypes all this bullshit I don't really get into that stuff too much. I just keep doing what I do and keep kicking ass So the the the the interesting thing here and I I'm not sure I explained it very well because I haven't really developed this yet There's something to do with I know that you have issues of co-dependency As well because raised in the environment were raised and of course What we're bound to There is something to do with the desire to Please the other by seducing them like if I seduce a woman I have pleased She has granted me Permissions and I have pleased her The urge and I'm and I am as I'm working on my co-dependency in every area business friendships family everything I'm taking all the toys home because all of these are mine and they always were And you guys have been playing with them and that's not it's not been a fair interaction. So we stopped that now I've just found this My whole thinking around that area has has has changed completely but it did make me laugh because And with the last time I spoke to you I mocked The migtail guys and then I was like but on some level this is kind of like a philosophical migtail because I'm just going No, I I am now doing my thing not what everybody else wants to do It's kind of a walk away in the direction, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah And what you're saying too of the seducer thing what I wanted to get out what came to mind immediately when you said that Is and I've thought about this too of my own life I've spent a lot of time picking up women interacting with women studying women, you know studying multiple relationships Yeah, I'm wondering if seduction I don't think to classify all of it as this. I mean, that would be ridiculous. I think I think seduction is a very healthy thing In my opinion, at least it should be. Oh, yeah, it's only sorry. I should have applied like If if it's new rock, is it compulsion? It's a new rock Like what we're getting at our emotions. What is it called the four f's or something like that like fight flight? Freeze fun and I wonder if seduction Used at an extreme level Like suicidal promiscuity, for example, could be a classification of it if it's if seduction is like an amplified fawn response It is that's kind of what you're saying. Yeah, it is I'm 100 cents saying to bring it back to my area of expertise where I'm more comfortable Is it cptsd? It's a it's a hyperactive Fawning response. Yeah Yeah, I can see that We both have difficult relationships with our mothers So there's a bit like Freud stepping in there and you go, oh, I'm still trying to please a woman I'm still trying to win the love of A difficult woman or a woman who is in my view high value or higher than me And I'm going how do I crack the code To get her to go to bed with me is the same thing A real code to crack is how to navigate all that stuff in a healthy way rather than a rather than a healthy way 100% my hope would be that if the issue is resolved internally then the Issues externally would would naturally be resolved just to finish that sentence The you're it's the same thing as a child trying to crack the code when they look at their mummy or their daddy And they go, what do I need to say or do to win love from this entity? And that goes that goes on for years and that gets burned deep into the neural network Ironically too as a man. That's a very Counterproductive way to think about women like I found the most success like dick pics for me I don't know. I mean, I'm gonna write the book or the dick pic, right? I don't know if I'm gonna do that or not But if I do I'll send you a signed copy But only But only of the pop-up version we're gonna make like a But I I mean I find the since finding the red pill it's really amped my game up In a lot of ways like it's been like the red pill is the closest thing there is to a magic pill in my opinion Finding the red pill community Rola's work all of the guys I found especially uh black noble objects another example author But you know doing what you want to do Whatever it is you want to do internally if you exert that out onto a woman and a very legal and like safe way, right? Of course But if you can do that and you can be calibrated with that and can groin because you've done it and you're experienced with it And you've grown confidence from that that I find to be the best thing possible At least that's what that's what feels really good and it works really well It's kind of hitting it's hitting high on both levels It feels good like in a very In a very natural like a very deep way And it's awesome like i'm do you know i'm banging girls in 10 minutes flat like very consistently now You're banging them, but that's not love Yeah, I didn't say it was love I don't I don't think every every experience of sex needs to be like romantic deep love which I do believe in I believe that exists I think it's I think the red pill is actually very useful in understanding that like the biggest one of the biggest highlights for me In finding Rolo's work it's something i've never seen anyone else do as simple as it is Which is to differentiate male and female love how we love from a biological standpoint I think that's actually really really important is an underestimated Product or component of what he talks about he has an essay on of course He's talked about it a few times But it's not given as much attention as it should be in my opinion But in terms of the dangers of mindless hedonism, how does that line up with trying to bang a lot of checks? Well, I have a biological urge to reproduce all the time, but doing it all the time belligerently would be pretty bad So i'm trying to i'm trying to i want to have a bunch of kids But i want to do that on purpose and in the meantime i'm really horny So i'm like, what do I got to do in the meantime and also i don't want to get like a false rape accusation Like a me too bullshit So i'm trying to navigate different value hierarchies You've got you've got to be you've got to be very very careful following your conversation with Elliot the other day Did you feel like there was merit in the idea that Being polyamorous and being promiscuous could actually be damaging for your mental and physical Obviously it can be damaging for your physical health, but it damages you mentally and emotionally Uh, but polyamorous, what do you can you elaborate on that? You mean like actually having multiple You mean like having having full having full penetrative sex with many many multiples of Yeah, I think it's possible as well It's more possible as a woman than it is a man for woman. I think it happens very quickly and very easily Like they should absolutely have as few partners as possible I think women having a lot of partners is a really bad idea and honest to god if I was a woman I wouldn't do that I would want to have as much sex as possible if as few men as possible over a lifetime as a woman I I'd sincerely believe at least this point in my life. That's loosely speaking what women should do. No pun intended Um For men, I think it's possible to bang too many women, but that's going to vary per man, of course And it is for women too But also but for men, I think the threshold is like way higher like 10x or even more or something like that So and that would be to the point of what I've seen one of our speakers call a suicidally promiscuous Which I'm not I don't like fat girls. I don't like girls So I think are going to have diseases like if she's super fucking easy He's been getting slammed, you know at the at the foam cannon party the t-shirt cannon party for fucking 10 years Like I don't I don't need that in my life Like maybe I'll let her blow me or something but other than that like I'm not interested So I'm actually I'm a lot more picky than most people realize in spite of my online persona I haven't actually hit triple digit yet. It's triple digits yet, but I'm about to I'm going to be proud of that's terrible Why not it's been now I'm looking to hang on a second here So being a slut is easy being a stud is hard one of these takes effort one of them takes being a lazy ass But it's definitely harder for men to have multiple sexual partners I I agree, especially if you are somewhat picky, but but it's it's it's not good It's not intrinsically good. Is it to bond physically in that way There there's dna in spet when you're french kissing them alone You're taking their dna into you're taking their smell their essence into you and them Part of you, but they're probably taking a lot more. Yeah, I mean it even proves their immune system and stuff I don't I since really don't believe though that men banging I mean, I think it fits now I don't think it's I don't think it's like a scott-free thing And they're very obvious examples of that like you mentioned like catching an std I mean you could fucking die from sex you can catch AIDS and or something and die Yeah, and whatever the fuck else, right? So no, there's serious I mean someone you could bang a girl not getting this td But her fucking boyfriend could walk on the door that you didn't know about and he could fucking kill you This has happened how many thousands of times in history or millions who knows, right? So yeah sex is not danger-free, but I think sex is a fundamentally positive thing And for my life, that's what i'm gonna do and so far it's been pretty good with some rare exceptions like a crazy ass right-headed hooker That's an anomaly That's not most girls I got along with pretty well at least for a few weeks or a few months And uh, we do we do we have a great time now. I'm not responsible for that Me that I'm not I might be their daddy the daddy dream, but I'm not literally their father So if if they've already fucked especially now in the modern age like if they fucked, you know 37 dudes in their life and I'm number 38 I had nothing to do with the 37 guys and I don't feel any shame or guilt for Them acting in a way that they chose to act in that I'm not responsible for And I'm not going to take ownership of that and I'm not going to uh, I'm not going to worry about it They're their pattern of behavior is consistent and I'm just having a good time doing what I do trying to navigate I really fucked up clown worlds of all these different problems It's a fucking mess. Do you do you personally think that you personally will be happier if you were in Uh a marriage and had kids and you were just monogamous Uh, can you be anywhere specific like right now five years ago 10 years now right right now like if you if you think like a quantum reality You in this reality as you are now you in that other quantum reality We're actually you're with somebody that you want to be with you have kids And you're just looking at like happiness levels emotional regulation satisfaction with life contentment Which one do you think would be the happier version of you? Mmm, that's a difficult call I would say it could go either way and the only reason for that is my business So I think both are pretty valid and I'm very interested in both But what I'm doing really obviously I'm doing what I do right now. It's a duh But the business is something that's very uh high risk and high liability and it's to have distractions I like I don't have a family yet And I'm happy I don't like I am the man that I am and that's who I am I do want to build a family But I don't regret where I've gotten to in life right now without a family without all that stuff So I think in the future it's going to happen. That's my goal and if I don't die I can guarantee you that's going to happen Or whatever, but in the meantime, I'm working on my business I want to change the course of western history and to do that I need a distraction free environment and I don't need little kids running around yet Although when I do I'm excited to have that and I think that's fucking awesome And I gotta what I I mean the way I'm doing it is I want to make sure my life is set up to the point I think men have a lot of time to do this and they're they're lied to and they're told that we don't That we're going to die a lonely old man. That's bullshit And at 30 I'm still very young Even soccer is a good friend of mine. It's had his first child at like 49 That's pretty late in my opinion, obviously But you have a lot of time to set this up and if I do my cards right I think I can make a huge impact on the world as well as I'm on personal life with what I want to do Definitely So it's a tough tough question you ask but um, both are important to me very important. I believe love will save you Yeah, well in the meantime learning the skills to make the woman who ends up being the mother of my children very very happy And I have a really good time making her happy but making myself happy I gotta say is that's what I was getting into earlier like finding the red pill and learning about Uh learning how men and women love differently learning how we live differently how we think differently That itself's been a huge boon to not only like dating and pickup But also just sex and like really enjoying myself and then in turn the woman having the time of her fucking life I'm not like some fucking god, but I'm having I mean what I'm doing these days is fucking awesome I have like belts and like tying girls up and shit and like There's all kinds of fun shit, man I anything I could think of now I just kind of do it and I have belts and I'm tying girls up and shit. Yeah, I did Yeah, I'm actually gonna put I'm gonna I'm buying hooks now like an amazon to mount Although the ropes on the wall like the pink one the red one and the black one and all this shit So now women just walk into the room. This is like they see a shotgun on the wall And then they see like ropes and like all this shit. So it's it's a fun time and it's it's practice You know, you got to practice with big game Shots gun on the wall and ropes. Oh my god, dude. Some girls ask like is that real? I'm like, yeah, of course It's real. Why do you think it's on the wall? Why would I put a fake shotgun on the fucking wall? And there's just hats all around and it's just bananas But let's get back on track and then we're getting a little too personal with stuff Some of the chats popping off too So I personally grilled you though. I gave you a pretty hard time for a good 15 minutes If there's anything you want, it's gonna be. No, I love it. This has been this has been really this was fun Dude, fuck. Yeah, I like challenging questions and like I like, uh, I like the you know the debate like that I'm going through it It's good too because a lot of guys are not familiar with the man's sphere It's the degree that I am and yeah, some hardcore viewers like they don't know that, you know People have been bitching about you know indirect versus direct game for the past 20 years Then they still bitch about it and chasing versus not chasing It's a lot. It's actually a lot like Many other fields of interest and subjects right like exercise is like this too. There's all these fucking debates It just go on for eternity And the reality is the muscle too. It's very plastic. So it's very responsive So anything anything you do to your muscles is going to make them grow And with women you can make almost anything work if you're if your frame is strong enough psychologically You've seen of course Rola's book his number one rule is like the frame is everything right always control the frame Yeah, that and that's one of the reasons you can make almost anything work that you can think of even I mean my my whole life. I'm a character that women see is this ridiculous, right? Make them agree again. I'm speaking. I'm meeting famous people and shit art of the dick pic I'm sending dick pics like I got a whole ladder of I used to sing dick pic dick pics like every time It's like a whole process I have and it works really well. I've got it ironed out to a formula And I do that because it works, but then you're like, why does that work? And it's like, well, let's talk philosophy and get into that I can guarantee you the mother of my children will get dick pics From all the man or from you? Oh for me from day one and then into into the eternity I think I think people I think you know loving husbands and wives should send each other news and shit Like I think it's a fucking great thing. I don't think you post them on the internet I think it's a bad idea but individually you're like all day long. I think it's a great thing That's got to be pretty bizarre coming from your age, but I don't see a problem with it It's when it's when you're like it's when a girl is reusing them or she's posting them on snapchat to like other people or selling them Like there's It's not as as horrible as it sounds. It's just like 90 of it is pretty horrible And then the rest of it, you know, like women should send all the nudes in the world to me Not anyone else Let's get back let's get back in some topics here I I have a question. I'm thinking about yeah, so you you found the man's fear Well, you found specifically the red pill, um, maybe like a year ago or something like that And that actually influenced the talk you gave For 21 convention that you filmed for us and we published it went viral. We'll put a link in the video too and we're done Um, how what is your opinion just on the man's fair in the red pill specifically like roller's work? Uh just overall Um, I actually don't really know enough about the man's fear in general I only have read the links that you've sent me a red rollo's book And I used to there was a there was a youtube channel. I think it's gone now from four years ago So before I had heard the red pill a while ago through a guy who was migtail And I used that he used to have me on and we'd argue about going migtail And I'd be like, you can't leave him behind blah blah blah He told me about the red pill and we talked about Tritoneal a lot. So the the first real Patrice O'Neill was that was the first sort of entry for me of thinking about things differently But the the the red my impression of the red pill and the man's fear is that it is A response That it's like an ideological response. It's a series of ideas It's a system of ideas and hypotheses to its adverse system of ideas and hypotheses My worries about the man's fear are the same as my worries about the other end of the spectrum where You don't want to see people drift into Misandry and hating men because they've been hurt by men. You don't want to see men Disparing into misogyny real misogyny. Not when you say something nasty and they go, oh, that's misogyny Real hatred of women And because they've been mistreated by women These are the same sort of logical fallacies and cognitive biases the brain can produce that are like racism I once got beat up by some chinese guys. So now I hate chinese people, you know that that that kind of thing That's what worries me. But generally speaking, uh, the red pill Conversations that I've seen that you've had And the some of the blog posts that you've that you've sent me to in the articles. They're very well written by intelligent And educated people and they're saying something that needs to be said it must be hiding misogyny They're hiding misogyny Between the lines and you got to find it You got to read like out you got to bring the thought please and this is the comments that I'll get now is like I'm a that people will say I'm a crypto misogynist or that I've Oh my god paranoia Yeah, they'll say I've sublimated. I've shot my misogyny down and send in something else But that's that's more cluster b stuff though. I mean paranoia like that I don't know what you'd call that there's probably a term for it But in my experience, it's what I've seen with it. They get paranoid about stuff that doesn't exist You mean well, if it's if you're being paranoid With an agenda then the proper psychiatric term. I think would just be a rationalization So it's not that they really believe I'm a misogynist They'll say that they do because they have an agenda which is the weapon of silence. Here's what it is Yeah, so I'm in my team. I'm in my army and I'm gonna fight your army and we're just gonna Where's gonna go at each other which leads nowhere? There's no there's no understanding at the end of it But the stuff that I've seen is is very intelligent and it's things that need to be said I think there seems to be a universal agreement that somewhere in the 60s and 70s In the uh in in the cultural revolutions the social revolutions that we went through there Something was lost that was of use that we shouldn't have lost and something was found that people thought Had was a wonderful gift but turned out to be that we were all drinking from a poison chalice so I think The world like I was born in 1978 and the world was already Pretty well damaged by this stuff like families were already breaking down divorces were already skyrocketing. I remember hearing the conversations in the early 80s about people Talking about the frequency of divorce and how rapidly people get divorced because the generation above them my grandparents Like my grandmother was Protestant and my grandfather was Catholic. That was the scandal Now it's like yeah, of course I've had 16 affairs and gotten divorced and had kids with this one and kids with that one And I'm not not shaming people for for doing that. But what I'm saying is look We've never been more anxious. We've never been more depressed. Let's consider the possibility That sometimes it's our behaviors and our actions that are doing this. We have a very very weirdly laissez-faire Attitude to love marriage children and child rearing. These are the most critical elements of life Yeah, we don't even have them the attention we would you know Remortgaging the house more specifically the most critical elements of civilization I think is what really meant there. Absolutely. They're the most critical elements of civilization This is how we will continue to vibe and we've just gone do what you want and I'm like Yeah, okay. I mean I'm left but I'm not I'm not liberal. There's a difference and I'm not I don't see that as being cost-free And I don't see and I'm being honest with you sincerely I don't see what you're doing now is being cost-free and I care about you and I'm gonna see And I'm gonna give you a cuddle Man, I'm looking forward to the the grand and hug do people will pay money for that. I'm gonna shift for free Well, usually I want to make it but we can do it close. I don't know. I'm gonna keep my clothes on I'll keep that on I'll give you that your which color hat do you want? I got the pink one I got the red one. I got the black one Give you the black one. I'll be the black one for me Black hat So Just just to round that off I do think we are acting as though there are things that are free and that have no consequence The way we act on social media the way we interact personally and they're not Fucking free. They're having real consequence and it's like that South Park episode Where all the fantasies and all the nightmares started to break into the real world That I think is our future our nightmares our Fever dreams our fantasies from the unconscious are going to start breaking into the real world then Hang on someone in the chat asked if the hats are for sale. They sure are I'll put a link in the chat as well as Yeah, you get any color you want man. We got blue pink red black Yeah, the black one's actually pretty dope So something I did I failed to mention earlier that I should mention is that another This is a more recent kind of debate that in the manuscript that's kind of that's pretty big And I would say it's come about probably because culture has been changing so much With the internet and politics and all this crap But one of those elements now it's not even a debate so much as it is distinct tribes within the Manisphere so you have the men's rights activists which are kind of their own thing You have the migtails which do their own very disorganized thing all over youtube and the internet and shit You have the pua's still you have the red pill and then you kind of have like a couple of the ones Are looser and smaller like trad cons for example like trad con is becoming traditional conservative as we call it Has become a bigger element and influence in the manisphere And somebody even claimed that the patriarch edition we just did a 21 convention would be an illustration of that I would vehemently disagree but I understand why they would come to that conclusion And I'm not I'm not opposed these people the same I'm not opposed the trad cons or I'm not opposed like pickup artists Like I don't hate pickup artists I don't think I don't think understanding how to approach and a member of the opposite sex is a bad thing I think it's a very good thing That was called the patriarchy edition as a provocation though, right? Because this is what people come to me and they complain they say why are you working with anyone studios with anson johnson? He writes this that the other on twitter. Yeah That's one of the reasons. Yeah, I mean it's very effective winding people up That's not the only reason though I mean the way I see it like me and elliot when we titled his episode elliot hulls his episode of gender wars I gave him a few options. We're ripping off, you know copying or making fun of kind of star wars like mocking them, right? And so we ended up with a new patriarchy for his episode gender wars episode two on 21 studios and his channel And he came to like I understood why he went to that conclusion or that title very quickly because that's what he wants to do Like i'm not for rebuilding like I sometimes I'll call it rebuilding the patriarchy But that's really not what we're doing But we want to build a new one that's better than anything that's ever existed So and that's why I bring up the trad con thing because I don't think I think the world has gotten so fucking clown world crazy right now that a lot of guys in the Manisphere and anywhere in the culture right western culture They might have like a knee-jerk reaction to like old school traditional stuff traditional gender roles traditionalist traditional that And certainly most of that shit was way healthier and more rational of what we have now But I don't think going back to that is a solution because that shit failed I think we had that and guess where I went. It's almost gone I can I can tell you there are many many women who I know personally this whole trad con thing as you've laid out to me They would go for it. They would go for it for the same wrong reasons that the guys would it's kind of like a misplaced Nostalgia for a time that probably never really existed now is so freewheeling and chaotic Like give us give us structure. Let's go. Let's go back Well, it's like it wasn't completely like fiction though Like yeah, a lot of it's romanticized and like the 1950s in America, right? Is this glorified time? I don't know how it was in britain. I'm sure it was a bit different because you guys just got bombed as shit But uh, it was a hopeful rebuilding time expanding But I mean look at what you said earlier You said like when your parents generation when they got married The big scandal was Protestant and a Catholic or whatever getting married or some shit Like that wouldn't even register as an issue today and people would be like what why is that a problem? They wouldn't even understand those are different denominations to christianity. Maybe depending on Yeah, they wouldn't So I don't see like trad con stuff as a I see as it may be part of the solution Like i'm open to looking almost anywhere in the culture for solutions and answers that are for knowledge That's based on reality and I think a lot of that stuff was reality based like people like i'm a Objectivist atheist I don't really like the word atheist very much because it doesn't imply any kind of belief system It's a lack of a belief system. So I don't I don't it's rare that I call myself like an atheist by itself Like I don't I don't do that. Most atheists are dipshits. Anyway, they attack like religious people and make fun of them and stuff It's just a lot of this is pretty stupid Which is irritating when they've got their tongues up the asses of scientists and I like I do not realize Those sciences have nothing without fucking generations of islamic Scribes generations of christian scribes. Yeah the religious the priests and they were the fucking scientists Yep, I don't know. There's always been a division. No, there wasn't fucking idiots Anyway, I was saying with trad con stuff building a new page. So your fans. They're critical of you Yeah, I'm building a new patriarchy like I make no apology for that. I think it's a very healthy thing I think women are followers. I don't think they want to lead particularly in relationships. They hate it They don't like it. We're talking like 98 99 of them You will have outliers always right you have people with personality disorders. That's actually much larger than 1% People with trauma. You have people that might have just a different uh biological makeup They make different choices in life Like for example, what if you were developed and chosen over your childhood? Let's let's be let's be clear here. You wouldn't force every individual to act in the same way, right? You're not homophobic. You don't care if a woman wants to be and a man wants to be submissive in a relationship You wouldn't stop them from doing that. Would you no? I would just no That's the opposite of what I want to do what I want to do anyway That's stupid to force them you want to guide them to these answers so they can choose them for themselves Because you think it's best and you got to persuade people to do that But forcing people to live this way is if not, it's a bad idea The reason I bring that up is because at one of the Issues that I see as being a big problem at the moment is trying to tell Groups of people what to do which we can't do like no such thing as a group of persons exist That's a nominalization You have men and women you have half the population of this of this planet is well for humans It's half and half right about half and half And I think women should generally be Women should be feminine and all that means is they should be live in accordance with their nature to the best of their ability And men should be masculine and strong and firm These are these are different elements of being a human being and I think it's central to your life as a human being Is to respect that Absolutely, but the the point I was making is that it's not actually True that there are groups of people because every reason individual there are Biological differences between men and women. There are biological differences with humans all over the world It's the effort a top-down effort To tell people this is the way you must act. That's when things become problematic. That's when things go wrong That's where we end up with Yeah, you know dictatorships and tyranny. I'm not for that of all of course But but isn't it isn't it strange how that used to be the domain of the far right and now it's becoming the domain Of the far left or maybe not the far left. We're like the radical left Where they want to tell people this is what you must say. This is what you must think This is how you should feel. I had somebody tell me that I should find a post op A woman who had been a man. I should find her attractive or else. I'm transphobic And I'm like, don't don't I get it? Don't I get a choice anymore? You sound similar. You're a pedophile too. Like are you against pedophilia? Like that's that's pedophobia, man Like why do you why are you against that? Like don't I mean that's that surely must be the next step That has to be the next step is to In fact, hasn't there already been somebody who wants it to There has been somebody Unlike salon I think defending pedophilia as like a sexual preference or some What where do you where do you stop so so there is there is this there is this difficulty I think with sort of Well, it's called identity politics, isn't it you stick people into a group and then you push them in a certain direction where I would say, okay As individuals maybe if we resolve their own personal issues, then we're not going to try and Make the personal political. We're not going to live out our childhood trauma Environmental external level resolve those external issues become happier with ourselves as people before we even worry about Bonding with other humans and you know enjoying sex and enjoying relations resolve with ourselves first and then maybe start to Move forward from there But the the idea that you're talking about is um the patriarchy to me seems to be about setting boundaries again Yes, that's exactly what ellie and I talked about too in that interview at one point Yeah, it's but I mean that's a lot of what you're telling me with This is my view on the political situation and stuff throughout most of the western world at this point They want to erase boundaries Open borders is the most obvious example that they literally want to erase the the physical boundary into the country With law enforcement officers and customs and fences and whatever and you know, what the fuck else they have going on They want to erase boundaries because they're all fucking children and they're really fucked up children That are they're spreading this toxicity out in the world the insanity and they're like they're basically insane Well, you know, you know more about the politics than Right, I can understand from a psychological position why somebody would with with In a delusional state think that that was the most wonderful thing imaginable Politically, what's the advantage in that? What's the advantage in eradicating? Boundaries national boundaries or all the boundaries all of them I think the uh, i'm not speaking on behalf of millions But I think the general consensus is that in america at least they do that to and probably other countries too They want to erase the boundaries to bring in a lot of New potential voters that are going to vote they'll just manipulate them into voting Whatever the party is in this case left the democrats in america So all these people that come in from, you know, south america and central america They tend to vote democrat because they get free shit Welfare and all these benefits and all this stuff So it's a it's a process of handing out like roam falling right handing out bread circuses bread bread bread bread get the votes And americans are not as easily manipulated by that because we're not broken starving So they get rid of the boundaries and you erase all the the all the possibilities of stopping these people from coming into the country Or filtering them It's just an endless No filter process then you just get this huge flood of voters Basically, they want to turn the country and they want to make like a super political majority left They want to take over the country in my opinion And in doing so turned into socialist tyrannical hellhole Which will probably end in genocide at some point, which is pretty consistent throughout history, particularly in europe Yeah, well, it's a it's a it sounds like a crazy thing to say, but you talk about genocide and civil war. They're becoming Those are features of history not outliers, man Yeah, yeah 100 and it does feel like we're gearing up to something Last time I was in america people said to me. Oh, what was it like? How did it feel? I was like it feels tense Yeah, it feels good, but it feels tense like having trump as president At least in my experience as a young man in this country and entrepreneur has been just fucking fantastic So there is there is a real tension. That's real, but independent of that There's also like an optimism and positivity one man has made a difference Uh, almost without any kind of debate whether you love him or hate him This guy has made a huge difference in the country And a very short amount of time with his own money and his own willpower and his own voice and his own mind So whether he's he's narcissistic or whatever the fuck. I don't think it matters He's doing what he's doing. He's doing a damn good job in my opinion and in the opinions of most americans at this point He's kicking ass and it's also, you know, ellie hall said a recommendation And he got quoted in a news article that came out about it. He said donald trump's represents the return of the patriarchy I remember him saying that to it. I was like, holy shit That's gonna end up in the news and sure as shit it did and he has like two million youtube subscribers, too so this This is why um as a as a lefty, um, I want the debate and I want to be engaged with the right Um in something that approximates a civil discussion much like the one we're having now I think if we I'm gonna get you picking up hose off tender fastening a snap fastening a snap finger, man It'd be slanted. It'll never happen. My love. It'll never happen Slayer man put hat on you. You've got the dick pick book. Be good to go man. No, no I'm too I'm too enamored of of uh of just being on my own and reading books Um, but but this this thing of if the if the debate is shut down It breeds extremism like if I stop down the left. We are no more left Those eyes are stronger if you don't know more right then they'll just push back even harder I agree. I agree in that shutting down free speech is very dangerous and it tends to backfire massively That's what the left's seeing that right they try to shut speech down so fucking much it resulted in part It resulted in donald trump being the president being their daddy being their leader Representative of the entire country. I am not a fan of donald trump and I would say um, I can't remember who said it originally It might have been slob voice is it we're talking about the smug Sneering attitude of uh of the democrats actually got him in Yeah, that's right. Yeah, because it pisses everyone else off like I mean there's there's a lot we could say about Trump I don't know how much we need to go into that exactly But yeah shutting down free speech is a very bad idea The only thing I the only problem is saying and I don't have a solution for it philosophically Is that there's only one side in in America and it seems to be most of the western world So canada and the uk and stuff that wants to shut down free speech and that's the left And the problem is they're using free speech to do that Yeah, so I wonder if we should outlaw all speech That tries to ban free speech Whoa, whoa Then the matrix is just gonna like What if that's the only thing you're not allowed to say is to disable free and they're doing it They're they're really trying across the board. They're doing this in schools. They're doing this in universities We're doing this in the workplace. They're doing this in governments state governments that the federal government like It's nuts man. I mean the end obviously, you know cover corporations and big tech Are doing this on on the public square the public space right now I have I had this idea that eventually With free speech what will happen is words themselves will become a source of offense Most of us speaks the english language the english language is the language of uh, the colonies colonization the empire racism patriarchy hierarchy Slavery torture. So so english is offensive Words are intrinsically offensive because the logos is is masculine. It's yang So we've got to stop talking everybody just has to that's that's that's what they're gonna tell It's 1984 shit, man. Yeah, it's like everybody be silent and do what you're fucking told Yeah, fortunately in america. We don't put up with this very much. At least not for a very long time I you you've your ancestors of course experienced this so Quite quite vividly Bloody friendship. I hadn't been for them Yeah, yeah If we hadn't been for them, the united kingdom would be a very large piece of real estate now Yep, yep. So I want to move on a little bit here back to the some of the topics at hand Do you have a talk map dot yet for your speech in poland at the 21 convention? You have some of the mind that you're moving along with I think that the last time we discussed it You said that you wanted me to focus on um, it's something that addressed resolving childhood trauma Um, and uh, I mean i'm open to what people want me to talk about that's that's actually fine And it usually there will be an element That's external base. What about the internal man? You're not you're not coming from within dude. What are you doing, man? As we should be talking about the resolution of codependency Yeah, it's okay. That's where it's at. I think that's where the the Well, to be clear too, you could just do another talk on Healing from toxic relationships with women and stuff like that, but you already did that for us and it is doing really well I'm amazed how well it's doing actually. Yeah Yeah, it's it's it's really really taken off. I think I think it would be a good follow-on to that So you've resolved the toxic relationship. Okay now you want to get on with your life You don't want to get into another toxic relationship. Okay. Let's look at the ways in which we might have a pronounced cptsd response Which is a forming response, which is the essence of codependency. Let's see how we can resolve that Well, I want to play double's advocate here. I mean this is just childhood trauma Like this is so this is bullshit This is you know, I've seen movies and it's easy to get over and blah blah blah Why why is childhood trauma so serious? Like why isn't what kind of slap this away and I'm I'm all grown up now and everything's fine You know what it's it's it's such um That that piece of devil's advocacy is perfect because it is the essence of the whole problem Which is like if I say childhood trauma to people they shut down Yeah, and nobody wants the word trauma like people like I'm a fucking traumatized. Fuck you Let me go and smoke some more and snort some more coke and you know I'm not Paying into this girl and I'm not Let me just tie her up, you know But there's some realness to it too. Yeah, no honestly, I mean like um So one of my I was talking to a pt yesterday He's a good friend of mine 20 years like we used to do my club security together and I was saying to him You're not teaching people how to lift weights and how to eat. You're not doing that You've got to convince them to think about the issue in a different way. You're a psychologist You've got to that's how you should think about your job because that's the essence of how we add value to people So for me in order for me to do my job. I really need to Find a way of reframing Child to trauma and presenting it to people in a way that's palatable and that helps them to understand that You know, some of the stuff that's happened to you in your life Sucks and you're in pain But because you've always been in pain You don't know you're in pain because you're just at your baseline It's only when the pain is resolved that you go Fuck I feel so much better Well, one of the biggest things that you taught me your work and work on some of your coaches is that When you go through that pain when you go through childhood trauma if it's severe enough or even not, right? It's all about it's all about how you're responding to internally You develop response mechanisms to that that can linger over time that no longer fit your reality This is a real head trip for me that I developed now some of these things that retain on purpose I hope but some i'm trying to not get rid of but I think i've been successful to some degree with that That you know you you have you know events traumatic events as a child and you develop a response to it That doesn't serve you 15 years 20 years later because guess what it's the fucking environment's changed 20 years have gone by right I mean that was a big that was a big thing for me Yeah That what you just said should really be written on the uh the office of every counselor and every psychotherapist everywhere in the world We should always remember that really in this space when we're discussing Pain anxiety depression That these are that we're living with strategies that were appropriate for time and place that right now are killing us in my 20s I spent my time fighting with people and snorting cocaine. That was my life I was a rageaholic and I love taking drugs Why I actually think because when I was a kid I wasn't shown the right kind of attention and I wasn't shown enough of it and being high on coke Let up the parts of my brain and my physiology in a way that made me feel as though I have been seen It's an ego-y kind of a drug It kind of feeds the sense of being seen and the sense of self and the rage was just the fury at the abuse side experience So I think there is a way of relating it to people going look It's real like this the stuff that you're doing now is real From uh from childhood. There is a way of doing it, but it's it's a hard sell Especially to guys Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's It's a difficult difficult. It's like the red pill. It's a difficult pill to swallow that you're broken or damaged in some way You have to heal from it That fucking red pill I hacked it up with vomit about five or six times. I had to chew on it take more to with it You just wait till you take more of it then you can just bang woman and then everything's fun, you know Speaking of by the way, I want to before I forget I wanted to send you a link to your rollers blog You're a good essay on generalizations that I think would be of interest to you regarding the group stuff with human beings and All that Did you just tell me that link now? Yeah, it's in this it's in the chat on our thing as well as in the public chat too. So Um, I did want to ask you too. What was it about childhood trauma? Oh, yeah, so I've seen you say that that still got to me too because you're the first person I've heard say this I'm sure you heard from someone else, but for me you're in my urgent point with it I heard you say that almost all if not all Basically like traumatic responses can be traced back to the relation relationship with your parents Is that an accurate paraphrasing of something you said? Yeah, it is and and and that's not controversial I mean that's um, that's psychoanalytic theory 101. Um, not everybody agrees with that Some people hate that idea and look um that they have a right to hate it Not always true Sometimes there are things that happen in adulthood or You can develop a traumatic relationship with a drug. You can develop a traumatic relationship with a certain role Um, but most the keyword here is most It's the primary objects It's what happens with the people who are taking care of you between the ages of zero and six The messages they're giving you with the words they're saying to you How much love they show you whether holding you when they're holding you are they angry and holding you Or are they high and drunk and holding you or are they happy and holding you We're hugely sensitive little boundaryless beings whether we're so small and all of that information is is going in And if we were not held and we were not seen and we were not loved in the right way We grow up to be um to be addicts to be Fighting with people in full of rage or or whatever it happens to be so yeah the that's uh, that's certainly another element to Yeah, yeah, I just came to mind I remember the light bulb went off in my head because obviously I'd heard that idea before But it was the first time I heard it from somebody that presented it seriously It wasn't a joke. It wasn't a one liner in a movie that was taken over dramatically or something You were saying it's seriously a video and I was like or an audio or whatever the hell it was I was like, yeah, there's there's something here and I was overlooking that for a long time I think almost anybody who goes through serious trauma growing up will overlook that too You don't want to you don't want to see the truth. You want to like get away from it Until it's given to you from the nice british man We develop blind spots we and we deliberately develop With trauma we just shut it out and we go that's not happening. That's not happening. That's not happening And that's that's a symptom of what that's it becomes one of the coping strategies that you mentioned before We get good at tricking ourselves. There's something that is there is not there You know in my relationships I'm sure there is plenty of piece of evidence that I just I just pushed away and was like I didn't want to look at I know that you've had this the same thing yourself That's that's that's a traumatic pattern from childhood I can't deal with the fact that daddy doesn't love me. So fuck you he does he does or he punches you every day No, he doesn't only because I did something wrong and then I'm going to be full of blame because I either a baseline Principles the child must have you know daddy and mummy are gods god and goddess He must love me or the whole reality doesn't work. She must love me or the whole reality is fucked So then we have to do mental acrobatics as children to make real that which is not real Without his love without her love we wither and die. So it's a survival issue Which is why the cptsd responses are biological reptilian survival responses to fight to freeze to form or to fight It's like they just get stuck on though. Basically is what that is, right? It's like a switch and it's like up This doesn't get turned off. That's that's why I've seen it. Yeah Absolutely, which is you know, when you're talking about personality disorders, some people are stuck with just one modality that is just on all the time Or for those of us who are lesser down the scale, it would be just over applied, you know for a while in my life Every every problem was a nail and every solution was a hammer And if it wasn't that I would I would make it that so you're over I was over applying My preferred survival strategy There's some people in the chat by the way that are commenting how much they love you and all this stuff We even have some women in here laura adams. Hey richard Heaven's other people. I like this guy. He makes a lot of sense. I agree. I appreciate that Richard is brilliant empowering great awareness. Fuck yeah Fuck yeah I wanted to ask too. Are you familiar with dr. Nathaniel brandon? He's not a lot of work on self-esteem and consciousness Whenever you say something like this, it means I have to do a load of reading and then I've changed my view of reality again It's exhausting. Do you need the book? I have plenty. I mean I have I've signed copies from him before he died a couple years ago What what was what was his thing? Uh, he wrote the book. Well, he wrote many books. He was um, iron rands alpha lover basically Uh, atlas shrugged was dedicated to him the original copies of it the first couple thousand or something Somebody then she but then they got they broke up and then she took it out. So but he's that guy There's a very, uh, well known Celebrity client that I've got who recommended he insisted that I listen to the audio book of that guy And I did I listened to the audio book of him, uh, you know, which one about two two months ago Um, oh god He has a book you'd like a lot. I'll send you the link to the video I did on it I I gave a speech actually you're gonna find this amusing. I still believe in much of what I said, too Yeah, I gave a speech at the 21 convention in australia We did one in 2012 a few months after london actually And I gave a speech called an introduction an introduction to the psychology of romantic love Right, uh, ha ha ha right given the fuck happened there But the I'll give you a single link actually in a second. Uh, that's one of his books So he wrote I mean the title of the books actually the psychology of romantic love Obviously, I wasn't the author so I didn't give a presentation on just the book itself But you like it a lot and that's one of his that's one of my favorite books from him He wrote many of that he wrote like probably a couple dozen or something He I'm sure like what was happening was I was working and doing stuff around the house And then I'd be listening to him in the background and I just remembered thinking my god, that's really good Or I've never heard anybody else say that he said something that I thought was mine and he said it A long time ago. Yeah when you're dealing with issues around childhood trauma and abandonment And you are that kind of person. He says these words Nobody is coming to save you Nobody is coming to save you. You've got to you've got to get yourself together You're gonna have to rescue yourself and I heard that I was like shit. I thought that was mine I thought that was one of my things but he'd said he'd said it a long time ago Yeah, I think he spoke a lot actually in a way that influenced My my understanding of codependency and kind of getting yourself back together again, basically You'll you'll like him a lot like I've read I've never read all this work I've read quite a bit of it. Um, probably three or four of his main books like it's called your romantic love six pillage self-esteem Uh, on and online art living consciously is a good one too. He throws a lot of shade at an random in the audio book as well Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah, they used to be in love and they used to they were fucking for like Down in a 20 years or some shit. I don't even know Yeah, it was a very long complex relationship And uh, he basically accused you of being a narcissist Yeah I won't say that before moving on. Um the point you just made about, you know, no one's coming to save you I know exactly what you're talking about and he he's presenting that psychologically But also he derives it from the philosophy of objectivism. He was always an objectivist even after his future friend And you know, she was fond of saying as well as him when they were together working in the 60s and stuff That ultimately you are alone and I've seen this consistently presented and any good work in my opinion in psychology that you are alone And that's fine. That's not a bad thing. It's just that's what it is And I think that's an element of your consciousness. You are alone No matter how many drugs you do to make you feel like you're connected to everybody It's it's it's really it's a really weirdly Important thing because some people who probably haven't suffered as much childhood trauma ago. I fucking know Why would why would you say that but there isn't like for those of us who have childhood trauma? It's it's complicated. There's something called projections and then something called introjects So we actually start to internalize abuse and abusive relationship until we're never really alone We carry our abusers around with us. We're kind of like ghosts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah So so for those of it like for people who haven't experienced that they go Fuck why is that helpful for us? You're on your own that's something I've thought about quite a bit that I think my experience that you've you've known about it quite a bit because we've talked one on one But most publicly I don't talk about this that much, but my childhood was like really violent. Fuck crazy It's super super abusive to put it lightly One of the worst stories I've ever heard I wouldn't say any more than that But so people have Contacts that've been doing this for seven years and Anthony story Anthony story is Is a dancing will damn play it please I mean, you know I I thank you for that assessment because I agree with you But it's also interesting because that that you can compare to the much more public medusa story Which was a walk in the park in my opinion compared to my childhood I mean, it wasn't I don't want to downplay the seriousness of that shit. That was pretty painful But that was one of the reasons living with the crazy hooker Felt uh, it felt very peaceful compared to what I was used to like that was actually a major step down That was a couple steps down when I was used to growing up I was I grew up dodging like knives and like fists and shit and scissors and shit and it was pretty bad So yeah, it's but I mentioned that because um I think most people who don't grow up in the bottom 20 of the population I think you you were probably there too with your father and your childhood life growing up It's very hard for them to understand like how serious that shit is because their normalization of like Childhood and family and disagreements and problems is much different from what I had grown up Oh, it's another world and they can't they can't understand They can't understand like if you say oh my mom did this I'll go when nobody's mom would ever do that He must be fucking exactly alien to them I think yeah, it's as alien to them as their experience of childhood is to us Does they'll have like these these happy like functioning mostly happy functioning healthy relationships with their parents Their parents are not crazy. They're still together They do things that appear pretty productive and like useful and like joy inducing And like that is like so alien to me. I've never seen that in my own personal life Yeah, but for them it's just fucking normal. It's just like that's what everyone does and it's like no, it's not All I can say to the people who have friends like us who were in that as you say the lower 20 percent Stuff like that and they weren't they had a more of a middling thing where there were some nasty things that went on But not that bad and not all the time You've got to be patient with us because we look normal, but we do weird shit We look and sound normal, but we then out of nowhere were eccentric We don't know we're being weird because to us that was normal But to you you'll be like, what the fuck are you doing? Sometimes it's a coping strategy and some that's dysfunctional and sometimes just that's how that's how we were raised I like we talked like we talked about and I think you agreed I think my entire company was built in large part. It was partly cultural like the culture's been I'm very fortunate to build it in this time period that's going on and there's probably a reason There's there's reasons outside of my family and my company exists and has done as well as it's done A lot of it very personal in the origin of it. I think came from like a very toxic home environment Which led to a need and a desire to learn how to socialize and interact with women Both for positive and negative reasons, right like we talked about a little bit here So yeah, but yeah, a lot of it came from I mean, this is a large part of this response to I mean speakers to me are all male, right? You guys in a way are like fathers to me Most of you are much older than me a few are my age Very rarely are the younger. It's super rare But yeah, you guys are you guys are providing wisdom and advice and philosophy that I didn't get growing up and I got I'm trying to guide you Anthony, but you're naughty. You don't listen Yeah, well, I'm gonna teach you something good sir. Don't you let you wait. You'll be you'll be sending dick pics before you know it He has to put his big cock in the moment I'm not talking about my you're gonna play your dick. I'm not giving you my dick pics You can you can go get your own I'm a hundred percent not sending mine Never You got to start pg-13. You got to keep it family friendly Instagram friendly if you can post that on instagram, then you're good. Good. Yes. No, there's no risk dude I think I think it's worth Saying that the reason obviously that that you are motivated to do this because of your family background and everything But the reason why this is working you said it's the environment the culture and the time and everything else And I would say Maybe But maybe it's just you my view of business now is if you're Head down You're a craftsman. You're a craft woman. You care about what you're building You put a lot of attention into it and hours and when we say hours we mean literally fucking your life into it You get good results I've never seen a business work that didn't do that And I've I've never seen anybody pour that kind of love attention into a business and it not work You know people always ask me like oh, how do you what do you do? What's the magic formula and I'm like fucking work and just You have done that with these conventions. I know I know what it costs to you Personally and all joking aside. I think I think you do a very very good job Thank you. Just wait till you see it, man It's it's magic whenever speaker is recently called it magic and he was being very serious and I'm like fuck Yeah, we're gonna love again. It's and you're right because it's the heart and soul put put into it at an intensity That's very real and very serious and very deep Absolutely, and I think most people don't for whatever reason they don't want to do that Like they want to they want to put in little bits of that, right? It's like this half and half that kind of thing I know I'm balls deep with that shit Well, you've got you've got an ethos like your your goal as you say is to change the western world It's ground the out my goal was to change the face of of modern psychology when I started out It's not really my I don't know what my goal is now, but that's how I started out with it You should have a grandiose vision for what you're doing and it should be a passion It should be a calling everything else like if people are like The worst question when people say to me about building businesses They're asking me how much money can I make doing this and I'm like, fuck you you're doing You're missing the point Go get a job because that is not the question you should be asking at this point Yep Yeah, the rewards of entrepreneurship always going to be they have to be something outside of the financial stuff The financial stuff can can work out at some point and it can work out very well for some people Obviously there's extreme cases of that like a billionaires and stuff, but The entrepreneurship is fucking tough man. It's super rough psychologically You have to be tough as nails and in that sense. I'm actually thankful for my very fucked up childhood I wanted to do one of the uh, this guy's sam bata the narrator for a rational male like the audio book narrator He was at the convention the patriarch edition. We had a few weeks ago And he actually pulled me outside of one point He's like you would you would have if you were flying the wall you'd been like both happy as well as like, oh my god This is so savage He was like you must have had a really fucked up childhood to be this intense and this good at what you're doing And i'm like, yep, that's that's by right. Yep And then it is then we just kind of kept going and doing I love this guy, you know sam but uh He he's one of the first people to ever to call me on that in person A few have mentioned that but pretty rare. Maybe not even once a year does that something like that happen So yeah, but he he was observing and he was he was acute enough or astute enough I think we had the word I just bought that but that's very useful. I mean, I've been able to do something that's incredible at a young age That is very unusual It is very very unusual and it takes a lot of effort and a lot of bravery to do and it's uh, it's a good thing My ego is exploding Good good. Oh, yeah, maybe it is a good thing All right, I think we can uh, we've got a few questions in the chat, but they're all kind of like kind of odd There's a good one here Hmm So I found one this could be this is interesting a little bit This is from lord I don't know what the fuck his name is lord something the devil. I don't know. That's literally what it says I am an american who has dealt with a lot of europeans And one thing I found odd was that they are more masculine manly Than the average american. I know others who agree with me. Why is that? Um Dude Well, uh, yeah, there there is there is a problem in america Dad's a meat to that too while you're thinking I went to poland and I agree with what he's saying But I've also been to sweden the uk and this is not the case So it's because Sweden the sweden in the uk is is following I think I think the way I'd answer that question would be to where we started this conversation would be It's not america, uk, europe and what we look for is where is the ideologically driven the ideologically possessed Where have they really got a foothold in this war? Where is the brainwashing at its most intense? Where is the propagandization at its most intense? american men in my humble opinion As as as a brit and I've lived more as an adult outside of the uk Which is why I'm not happy about brexit because I like living around europe in european countries than I have in in the uk have lived most of my adult life as an immigrant in in different places um, the indigenous population of the uk is generally Now quite feminized unless you're talking about the blue collar, uh, band um in america across Plain soccer and shit they get in fist fights those guys. Yeah. Yeah, so and and that what they have left Um, unfortunately is like one step away from thuggery Which is not what you see in spain, italy and portugal and maybe i've not spent that much time in france, which is masculinity not violent masculinity not drunk masculinity not masculinity Men just going hey, I like being a man. I love going to spain. I'm going to move to spain women love being women Women love being women in spain. They have no self-loathing about Poland Poland is like it's him and it's beautiful. It's great like a hundred percent agree It's so it's so pleasant to see it It sounds very I don't know what that sounds like but that's that's that's the best word I can come up There's joyous to see them pulling it at work It's literally it's literally joyous because when you're in an environment like the environment I'm in in uk is ideologically possessed and everything is crushed by this Weird mental haze this propagandized haze where people don't even look at each other or talk to each other Or have a laugh because you know, you might say something that's offensive to someone somewhere You know, it's crazy. It's crazy. Whereas you go further out into europe and you don't get that there is There has been for a while an issue amongst and now i'll say something controversial white men in america that i've noticed goes because my My experience in business going back with the self-defense thing was predominantly In america and it goes back a long way, but it's the same Roots it's the same root cause and I do think white men are in america are Tends to dampen their own masculinity for a lot of reasons for a lot of complicated Historical and cultural reasons White guilt being one of them being forced on that whole agenda I mean the sjw agenda didn't start five years ago. There are people talking about it back in the early 90s I can cite the box. I wrote it. I mean i see I was a kid that grew up in the 90s and you know back then the term was politically correct And I see that now is that that was sjwism in its infancy So so there is this there is this strange thing that that like i was teaching people how to deal with violence Americans as i say predominantly how to deal with violence and you would have The strange kind of polite polite polite polite shoot you in the head and you're dead I'll be like nowhere in the world. Does this You punch and then you stab them and then you shoot them in the leg But it was like it's all the time every night it went out. There's a fist fight at the club I've never seen that in america that happens But it's more rare and it's more serious when it happens because people pull out mid not usually guns not usually anyway It'll end up but someone might have a bottle they pull out and they crack them I pull out a knife they might do some sketchy Poems through the fist fights constantly So so to answer that question i my feeling with my example I gave of countries in southern europe where people enjoy being a man Enjoy being a woman and men love women and women love men. It's just not this problem That's not the case in places like america. The uk is followed in his footsteps. Do you enjoy being a man? Do you feel good about being a man? Are you allowed to be a man or is being a man a crime in your country? Is being a white a crime in your country or another any other ethnicity? No, you're hasn't the way It's perfect. I love being a man, but doing that in america is increasingly like a fucking cultural crime So it's similar too If you show up as who you are Intrinsically without being able to change it like if you're black you can't do anything about the fact that you're black But that's a problem You have to internalize that and deal with it if you show up as white and to certain groups of people That's a fucking problem. You kind of end up you you compensate for it. Not consciously unconsciously You moderate your behavior. You won't you might not be as strident You might not be as assertive you might not just feel comfortable Because in these other countries they're not being poked all the time and told you're a piece of shit because you're a man You're a piece of shit because you this you're a piece of shit because of that So there's more comfort. There's more of a sense of just i'm permitted to be me No, I feel like in america that um, and I mean, I don't it's not just a feeling It's it's a thought and I think it's the reality that we're in the middle of a culture war in my opinion a gender war Yeah Yeah, yeah, and it's And it's for me. I feel like i'm a young man. So i'm full piss and vinegar Disastron and and hair everywhere and all this shit. So it's in a way. It's kind of cool But it's also fucking exhausting. So it's like it fires you up. It's a fucking challenge Take this on wind as an american and as a man But then also it's like uh, it's that's why I was really nice to go to poland I was there for about um almost two weeks a week and a half And it was it was a nice rejuvenation I was I was so fucking happy because in america It's just like fight fight fight fight fight and some loving too You might not call it love you would call it lust but some loving as well But it's very it's super. Yeah the tension here is rising Especially in recent years And that in other countries, I think I hear the same thing like you're saying about spain and in italy parts of italy and Portugal and stuff People aren't happy we have We have Frakes of suicide anxiety and depression that we've ever seen in human history The british mental health institution is creaking at the seams It doesn't know what to do with all these people who are suffering And nobody's just suggesting the simple idea that the propaganda and the culture and the consumerism that we are consuming Might be causing us to feel somewhat distressed what we're trying in the red pill Yeah, exactly. Well at least with so one of the things I like with the red pill is it's it's it's a human solution Because what it is trying to speak against is inhuman. It's a totally inhuman ideology It's asking you not to be what you are and they're even saying you're not what you are And you go, hang on. I fucking know that I am you george or welly and come get out of my face That's planning and brainwashing man. It's creepy. Shit. Yeah, it's really creepy and it creates cognitive dissonance Which causes agitation which then manifests as aggression ultimately And your anxiety or something too all kinds of things to round to round that off Where I would say like in america. Yes, I do see men as being more feminized. Where am I most frightened america? america I I never am I more tense of the And watchful of the men and women than I am when I'm in america. No one else in the world I've lived in thailand of the milasia because this this when you feminize men When you get men and you go dumb down turn the volume down on your masculinity turn it down turn it down turn it down What are we Freudian psychoanalysts over here? Of course, what's going to happen is it's going to express somewhere eventually Mass shootings mass killings. Why are they happening all the time? That's a really the child. The school shootings are a really good example of that. That's like a very it's more recent phenomena They used to be a lot rarer Yeah, and they know they're to be in a free society. I think that shit unfortunately That's to be expected that people make bad choices. They commit crimes Some of these kids steal the get steal the guns from their parents or something that after they shoot I mean, I'm one of them shot his own mother and then went to the school or whatever right and fucking shot the place up But yeah, it's an expression of very it's a it's a very negative expression of masculinity that That you know, they're being they're being fed all this propaganda. You're I agree with you. Yeah, we talked about this I think I think it causes I think it causes a massive amount of resentment and resentment more and it causes agitation and aggression So that point by the way about the mass shootings. I'm pro gun. I think Americans should keep their guns I'm one of the rare europeans. You think you should have your guns Dude, I think the european should have we should have give you guys guns too You guys should have as many guns as you want We did we did used to you know, you know I was telling a story the other night. I used to carry machine guns into my school We have something called the combined cadet force in private schools in the uk Now I tell you this because there's a meme going around on facebook And it said meanwhile in russian schools and it showed russian kids speed stripping a clashnikov We did that british schools Trained kids private schools if you have the cadet force were training 15 and 16 year olds to speed strip what we have is the sa80. It's a very ugly weapon But very well balanced and that's what we did and I was the guy for the royal air force cadets I'd carry the machine guns into the school It's weird because there's a perception of the uk and of europe as being very anti-gun But I was literally by my education system raised with a gun in my hand But you didn't know that did you I did not know that no I do know I do know the private firearm ownership though that got restricted in the uk in like the 1930s or 20s or something It was a long time ago. I think that that got kind of done away with The the last major Thing that that killed it was the uh, there was a mass shooting in scotland in don blaine The don the don blaine massacre and then that was it. There was uh, they really cracked down very hard on the guns But we have a huge amount of guns here in this country. I mean The knife violence everybody's getting like stabbed and shit now. It's kitchen knives and everybody's getting stabbed down in London in liverpool it's gone It's almost as if people are going to kill each other no matter what you do Weird it's really weird very ours. They could use hammers. They could use whatever they want Yeah cars they rent the car at the vans. Holy shit the van apiece. Yeah, I could point We need to get to the root cause of why these things are happening We can't we can't force square pegs into round holes anymore. We've tried it. It didn't work We've got to let people be what they actually are what the natural expression of who they are Yeah, so I got a questioner from a viewer as well From whisko tangy whisko tango foxtrot. Excuse me He says, uh, what is Richard's opinion of the treatment of tommy robinson by british courts? I'm not up to date. I'm sorry to cop out. Um on that one, but I'm not up to date with what's been going on I have resolutely refused to watch the news for over a month because of the brexit bullshit Um I don't know if you know gary per brexit like extremely so 100 sargon sargon 20 2019 Who who's pro brexit who who who me sargon of a god, you know kind of dank you love that guy's dopes fuck Nigel forage all the way Jesus All the way to prison gone. Sorry All the way to milkshake land apparently poor guy All right, I think we start wrapping up it's been a while I don't know if we've gone. I'm pretty sure over an hour Um, I appreciate everybody tuning in live to this. You should definitely go subscribe to richards channel Uh, there's a link in the description already. There'll also be a card in the video. I'll put after the video is done Your website is spartanlifecoach.com Yeah, you have a number of courses on there. Um, what's the most recent one that came out? Those are these are a big deal for you put the courses out I'm gonna come back to myself sometimes The most the most recent one, um, you might like the most recent one actually it was called hill the superego So if people have walking around with a lot of negative injunctions going on inside their heads nasty voices telling them to do Things to themselves that are not good or to other people that are not good telling you that you're a piece of shit It's a way of resolving those superego Internalized injunctions is called heal the superego and that's available on their main web page on spartanlifecoach.com And does anyone else featured in that with you or is that just you there'd be Steve or someone else All right, man, I look forward to meet you soon in Poland. I appreciate your time today come on this show Really enjoyed it. There's actually the chat really picked up Thank you for having me there's a very very good chat really enjoyed that Fuck yeah for those of you who want to meet richard like myself You can go to the 21 convention dot or g Slash poin link in the description. You can buy a ticket to 21 con Early bird tickets are now on sale and they are almost a thousand dollars off Until may 31st a couple more days here about 10 days After that we'll be on a different sale, but the price will go up price goes up every few weeks Event is in two months get your tickets now And come hang out with us come meet richard yourself I'm excited to meet him myself meet your heroes your heroes are going to die some day I'm going to die some day. This guy's going to die some day People tell you not to meet your heroes as guys are all fags. They're all losers and haters You should meet your heroes. I'm serious. 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