 we have George. Yes, it is. Welcome everybody. It's the Budget Committee, Peter. I'm sorry what? It's the Budget Committee is here. Yes. Amendments to the Agenda, Sarah. Yeah. So with that, we go right into our budget workshop with the Fire Department up first. Eric, you're on. I'm on. Did you all get a copy of it? Okay. Would you like me to add anything to what you're looking at or how would you like me to proceed? Justify what you want. Okay. Do you want me to go line item by light item? I can. Sure. They're not that many. Yep. With supplies, we're going up, we would like to go up $100 to $300. Equipment repair, we've run into some bigger expenses, so we raise that $3,000. Like what? I mean, tell us why. I mean, you want 100 dollars. Well, we've had a lot of repairs to do with our engine and then our rescue is also aging quite a bit and it's taking a lot to keep it on the road. It's just costing more money. We've been right at or just over what we've budgeted, so we want to make sure we have some room there. Equipment purchases, we added a little bit there just because we're running into where we're going to start needing to get some more safety gear. What kind of safety gear are you talking about? Our bunker gear we have is all aged out. We need to start phasing in some new stuff and it's expensive, so we want to kind of spread that out as much as possible. So you're like stockpiling the money, so you'll have some each year until you buy it? Or replace as we need that's worse off than what we have now. Some of our gear is in worse shape than others and we need to go through and replace the ones that are really bad. Eric, we had a discussion last year about air tanks. Yeah. Is there anything in here for air tanks or is that still yet to come? That's still yet to come. Okay. It's at the bottom here. I'm sorry, what Mary? It's at the bottom. It says upcoming expenses. Yes, yes. We haven't determined what exactly that will be yet and we still have time to do so. Our telephone bill has been increased because of the, we had to upgrade the internet because of the, what do you want to call it, the emergency management committee? Yes, thank you very much. I was drawing a blank there. The management committee was using it, so we're hoping to maybe possibly drop that down, but for now, that's what we're running for our bill for the year. Fast Squad, we kept the same. Horses and seminars, we kept the same. Well, why you've never spent your Fast Squad money for or at least for the last two years, so why are you keeping it at a thousand? Well, we have, we just for supplies in case we need more supplies. Why would that be under supplies? Line one. Well, that's supplies for the fire department. It's two different things. Just on that subject. Yeah. You know, what the process here, Eric, and I know this is your first go-around in this road is to present your, your budget tonight. We ask questions and then when we get to putting the whole town budget together, depending on how we're doing, we may make minor adjustments. So there's an area or, or make a, I shouldn't say minor adjustments, but there is an area where we could potentially cut that back if we needed to cut something back, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're trying to, you know, if you need more bandages or Fast Squad supplies, he's going to say, don't overspend your budget. Correct. Correct. Yeah. As Peter said, asking you to explain it. So if we have to go back and cut something, we understand why you put there. That's totally fine. I don't bother. It doesn't bother me, bother me with the questions, that's for sure. Um, courses and seminars, we're, we're, we're trying to keep that right at the same. Um, let's see our electricity. It is. I mean, when you're keeping it the same and you've underspent for two years, can you tell us why? I mean, are there, I mean, that's the kind of explanation. Yeah. No, that's fine. So, um, you know, we have, uh, we have more people that, that we're hoping to get on the department that just cost money to take to classes. That's all. So we want to make sure we have that there. So you're doing a recruitment and active? We're always doing a recruitment. We're always asking and looking for new, uh, new help. That's for sure. That's a constant. It's a constant. Just a reminder, how many active members do you have? I don't have the number off hand, but I would have to say at least 15 or 18. I can't remember exactly. I'd have to count them out. Who, who said 10? Was that anybody who knew? Yeah, this is Jeff. We've got, uh, okay, so it's 10. I was thinking there was more. But we have one of the, one of the new guys is involved in taking, um, Firefighter one right now and that's an expensive class to take. That's right. I forgot about that one. Yep. There was a, I think it was courses. Yep. That was the courses. Yes, we, yes. Um, after that was electricity. Um, that's pretty much just what it is. I, those are the rates, I believe. Um, fuel, um, just because we don't know where fuel prices are going to be in another year. Insurance and, and, and our insurance, we didn't add because we don't, we don't have any control over that. We don't know what that bill is going to be building maintenance where we were just shy of, of the budget. So we kept it the same. Let's see, radio dispatch. We don't know what that's going to be yet. We haven't got the bill for that yet. Um, and that's another one. We don't have any control over our dues and fees and training. Um, we were pretty close to that last year. So we kept it right at that, that same mark. Um, the forest, uh, warden, uh, we're keeping that right at the same. Gas and diesel. We did drop that down some because, uh, we just haven't been spending that. Um, so we're, we, we lowered that sum down. Um, our stipends, we kept the same. Uh, communication radios, uh, that we, we kept the same as well. Uh, just for buying new rate. I think that's, Jeff, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's for our new, uh, newer radios and pagers and, and such. Yeah, that's, um, because pagers tend to break quicker than the radios do. Um, and pagers run. I'm not sure the math, the pagers, but we usually end up getting, um, um, one to two pagers a year and our radios are getting, uh, older. Mine is, um, 13 years old, I believe, 13 or 14 years old. So they're starting to, to get to the point where if we have a problem, we can't get them fixed. We have to get a new one. Radios are in the neighborhood of, uh, six to $700. Right. And then, uh, final is workers cop, which we have no control over either. So we, we don't even know what that bill is yet. Um, I don't understand the math. It doesn't, that's not adding up to a subtotal of 24,000. No, it's actually 34,660. Well, then. And then when you add in the other stuff, what does that come to, Darinda? 70,902. But the question is where did those other figures come from? Well, this is a spreadsheet that I was given. So I, I went with what, whatever, whatever we plugged into, whatever ratio that was in there. And a lot of those numbers are, I mean, not that it matters, but it's some of those numbers for previous years are incorrect. But, um, I was just going by what you're, what you're proposing for FY 22. Got you. Got you. And that, and that could be, like I said, this is the, the first time using this particular spreadsheet. I'm not sure what they hadn't plugged in for, for ratio numbers. It was, it was copied to me. Yeah. Did you add the property penalty, uh, workers comp and cap West figures or where did it come? Those I, so I used what they were showing for numbers down below. So, um, no, I actually, um, yeah, to total the 70,902. But the numbers again, are not correct. There's two issues here on the property and casualty for the FY 21 budget. We actually budgeted $8,395 and that they have it in there as 7,83490. Um, sorry, what was the number again? Just so I can correct. 8,395. And the workers comp was 1,217. Those were last year's budgeted numbers. And if you want to, Eric, if you go back to the annual reports. Yep. Um, if you look for the budgets for pre, all those previous years are in here. So if you wanted to update, yeah, I'll have to do that. I just assumed they were correct. The other thing too, in regards to doing actual numbers for the insurances, I sent an email to the fire department on 10 three, followed it up on 10 nine, still have not gotten the response. And your workers comp is based on the number of firefighters and EMTs that you have on roster. So without that information, we don't get numbers. Gotcha. I didn't, I didn't, and I didn't see that email. So well, I sent it to Doug and Jeff. Jeff. Yes. Okay. Why is it why this doesn't have anything to do with the budget, but just on that subject, why is it guys, when all Dorenda needs you to do is tell us how many firemen you have and confirm that the trucks are the correct trucks. And with two emails, nobody can respond. Well, I just, I just checked my email and there's no email there. I mean, I see Sarah. Did you get them? Because I see Sarah, the town clerk on them as well. How about the last email I have is 18 August. No. How about a direct email, Jeff? Pardon? What is your correct? DJ Coons at my fairpoint.net. I've gotten emails from Dorenda before, but the last one I have is on 18 August. It also went to Doug. But if you give me the email, should I start using Eric's email? Why don't we do that, please? Okay. Thank you, Eric. Frustrating guys, when, when, and I don't know what the problem was in this case, but you know, there's a long, long history of failure to respond from the fire department and it's frustrating because Dorenda's trying to do her job and make sure the insurance is correct. Absolutely. And the correct information, the insurance isn't going to be correct. So yeah, anyway, well, we'll address it. Yes. So I'm just thinking about the fact that, you know, this is because of two bigger items, the equipment repair and the equipment purchase that overall the budget's going up 10% from last year's budget. And, and so, I mean, for better or for worse, we have a fire department, right? And so we need to support our fire department. And that means things like repairs and equipment purchases. And we still have a bond for a fairly new building. So, you know, we have to, these are things that we have to accept. And so I'm just wondering if, you know, now is the time to start, to start the process. I mean, we are going to be doing this if we get the grant to do cap, you know, to do a capital budget. But we know that you're going to need air packs. Adding your equipment purchase by $1,200 doesn't buy you anything. I don't want to see that $1,200 just not wasted, but like not put to use towards the things that we truly need, right? Like air packs and the stuff that you mentioned down below, replace, rescue, turnout gear, whatever that is. So, you know, I don't know how you as a fire department sort of want to look at that, but like we are, when we do a capital budget going to be asking you, like what is your equipment? What are you going to, you know, what do you see down the road that you're going to need? And, you know, there's various ways you can do it. But, you know, do we ask the town for a lump sum of money to cover all of this? Or do we have a capital budget specifically for the, I don't mean a capital budget. Do we have a, what is it called, a reserve fund for the fire department that you build on every year so that you have that money to buy the equipment? Or do you borrow the money to buy that stuff? And so randomly, we've been trying for years to set up to where we have put money into fund for vehicles or whatever. We constantly get turned down on that. That, well, we'll just do it one year with a bond because interest rates are cheap. We're not going to have a fund set aside much like the, we do with the land grant or the money for the $5,000 a year that the town votes on to put towards the forest and whatnot. Paul, I would say guys, those on the budget committee have heard this from me before is quite a few years ago. We changed our practice with regard to all the town equipment and we do not build up a fund of money. We borrow the money when we need a new truck or a road grader or whatever it is. And the philosophy has been right or wrong that by doing it that way, we're actually having the taxpayers who are getting the benefit of that equipment, pay for that equipment rather than having people pay for it in advance and they may never see it. Now, you know, we might as a group decide that we don't want to do that anymore and we want to go back to building up funds of money. But I'm just saying it has been our approach in the town not to do that for that reason. What I would like to see happen, Eric, and I don't want you to do a whole bunch of work, but if you could work with Derrinda to get the correct insurance numbers. And also, Derrinda can give you the number for the bond. I mean, I like to see what the whole cost of the fire department is. And I know the bond is sort of off and never, never laying. You guys don't think about it, but boy, when we get that bond payment every year, it's way... Yeah. No, I agree. Just so we have a sense of what the real, what the real total cost is. And I have a couple of quick, quick questions. Bear with me a second here. You forecast, I mean, it just, and I know you're trying to be conservative and you're working with a new spreadsheet. But for me, the heating fuel looks high. The property and casualty we're going to fix. Building maintenance is sort of, that's sort of what it is. The rate of dispatch is gasoline and diesel. This year you've spent, and I realized we're just starting in a year, but $178 and you're budgeting $2,000. That seems like... Yeah. Excuse me, you're budgeting $1750. But I mean, I would, I would whittle that down unless there's some reason like something has been misposted or, I mean, $178. You can't drive one of those fire trucks around town for $178, I don't think, but maybe we don't need, maybe we don't need $1750. Well, we can look into it for sure. Yeah. I would just, I would just ask you to, to fine tune these numbers and at the same time, get correct numbers from Durinda for the insurance. And do we know what this year's Capital West is going to be, Durinda, we heard from them? I don't get the number. I think the fire department gets it first. Yeah. I haven't gotten anything. I haven't seen anything. Erica, you want... I don't think they've made a decision on what it's going to cost yet. Well, yeah, I know they were up in the air. Aim to the list of people who get that information too. I do know the insurances. They haven't come up with the rate yet for next year. They're hoping by, they were hoping for the first of the month and it didn't happen. So we're waiting on that for the whole town. But I just, for purposes, I just level funded it for now. And, you know, when the real number comes in, I can update it. Yeah. But we'll have it in plenty of time before we finalize our... Looks like $1,300. So, you know, from last year. So one would think it would, at a minimum, probably go up about that again. Eric, you know, mine was what Liz said. Excuse me. I believe you actually have information. I saw information that their rates are going down all their rates. Workers' comp, property, casualty and auto. So... Terrific. Right. Well, that's amazing. They don't usually go down. Well, the good news is we're in a trust with the League of Cities and Towns. Yep. So if the trust has a couple of good years and they don't have to spend at the claims that they planned on, they lower their rates. They were just their rates up and down. They're not in it to make money. So we get the benefit of that. And they've had a couple of good years, according to what I've read. So anyway, but we'll have those numbers. We'll have those numbers. Can I ask a question? Yep. Go ahead, Mary. Go ahead, Mary. Eric, at the bottom, you talked about upcoming expenditures. And so if you have a chance, could you tell us, like with the airpacks, how many you anticipate you need? Is it like one of every active member? And how much they generally run per person? And how soon you need them all at once or just over a period of time? Yeah, I can answer that. Yeah. So when we looked at the prices last year, it was about $58,000 for eight packs. And that's to have four packs on both engines. That's dropping. We would drop three from what we currently have. The problem we're in with our airpacks is that in three years, Scott will stop making repair parts for them. And essentially, they'll service them. But once they run out of spare parts, that's it. The packs can't be repaired. So while technically, the packs will no longer be supported in three years, will they all die in three years? No. However, when it comes time to replace packs, and we had this discussion the last time we talked about this, I gave you a heads up on this, that we want, no matter what we do, we want to go to all the same packs on both trucks. So we're not having, oh, we've got this pack which operates differently from the new pack that's not a safe way to do things in the fire business. So we're looking at somewhere in the $58,000 to $60,000 range for eight packs. And our hope is that we'll only have to buy one air tank for each pack because our buying policy, what we're doing, the air tanks that we're currently getting to replace the ones that are dropping dead, which this month we have nine drop dead, the tanks will fit the same. We may have to get new valves for them, but currently a Scott air pack with a Scott valve costs $1,200. We can knock that down to I believe the price is just under $900 for the air tank alone. So we're into the phase now where we can just get air tanks and we swap the valves out. When it comes time to replace those air packs, once they start having problems where they no longer have the parts, we're going to have to replace the whole batch. Go ahead, Les. I was just going to say, is this something that other fire departments are going to be also facing? Like all these people who have Scott air packs are going to be facing? And is there going to be maybe some opportunity that we don't know about like for grants to help fire departments cover this kind of huge expense that we can't be the only fire department that has to do this? I don't know what the history of grants available for fire departments are. It depends on the when the unit, when the department got their air packs as to when they're going to expire. A lot of the departments around us, Worcester for sure, and I believe Moortown have the MSA pack where we have Scott, Montpelier has Scott, and I believe Waterbury has Scott, but they're all on different, we're all on different purchasing times. Our air packs that we currently have were bought with a grant back in 2003 or early 2004. So it just depends on when a department has bought their latest packs. I believe it was the feds. It was before I was on the department. They got a lot of stuff the year before I was on the department. And I know that that Montpelier has already gotten newer packs than we have. Peter again. So I'm confused. The numbers I believe you just gave us for packs and tanks don't any more near at up to $58,000 for eight of them. So somehow I misunderstood. The price I gave you is just for the actual air bottle, which we've been buying to a year to stay off the buying nine this year, because nine are dropping dead. So but the air pack itself is I think it's like 5600 somewhere around there. I'm not sure the exact price because it's been a while since we had them over to talk to us. I got it, but it came up. So I believe it was $58,000. And the air pack doesn't include. So it must be more fine by the air pack separately. And then you buy the tank separately. No, you when you buy a brand new air pack, it comes with one tank. And when they bought when they got these Scott air packs, they bought we have 11 packs and they got 11 extra bottles. The so hopefully what's going to happen is if we go to MSA because those those look like a much better system, the air bottles that we currently have will be able to keep and have those as the extras and we'll only have to get the one bottle that comes with the price of the air pack. So the air pack when you buy an air pack, that's the the pack that you put on your back, the air bottle on the mask. So one other question, how long I mean, and I realize it depends on how hard you're breathing and how hard you're working and whatever. But when you're when you're breathing through an air pack with an air bottle, how long does one bottle last? Yeah, I mean, 1520 minutes. Okay. You know, or five. What's that? Or five minutes. Yeah, I mean, it depends on the person. It depends on the person. It depends on there's a lot of variables. So you would send somebody in a burning building with an air supply that would only last for five minutes. Anyway, I guess I don't understand, but I can't believe it's that well, I've been I've been scuba diving all my life. And I know the issue is about breathing out breathing out of a getting out of a compressed air tank. And yes, it's variable, but it isn't anywhere near that variable. Anyway, enough. Other questions on the budget, budget committee members work somewhere, somewhere along here, when we get those insurance numbers, and you're going to fine tune some of the other numbers, you'll have a revised spreadsheet for us. Absolutely. Another question. Eric, can you also tell us a little bit now or later about the turnout gear? Like how much do you need? How many? What does it cost? How soon do you need it? I don't know. I don't know if Jeff has gotten any prices on them. I haven't seen any prices on them yet. But eventually. Last year, the prices were somewhere between 12 and $1,300 a piece. Yeah. Well, how many do you need and how don't you have some already? The ones we have are 10 years or older. Well, we got them when we're back in the old station. So and NFPA says 10 years, they should be replaced. And how many would you need to get then, Jeff? That's I'm counting up the numbers right now. What and what our plan is that we would do two a year. If you want to do it all at once, we can do that. We're looking at doing two a year and stretching it out over five years. I mean, if you want us to, we can do it all at once. But we're trying to stretch it. You know what? NFPA isn't a regulatory body. If you, if there was an injury at a scene and the lawyers get involved and look at, well, you're, and it happened to deal with turnout gear. Well, your turnout gear is over 10 years old. You're at fault for not replacing that turnout gear. That's whether they would hold volunteers to that. I don't know. That's something for a lawyer to answer. The only comment I have on this is, you know, we have challenges ahead and these these are serious challenges, but they're also, I'm sure, and Liz with the project she's working on is going to be asking you guys questions because what about the trucks? We know about the rescue. You know, there's another, there's another big, big challenge coming down the, coming down the pike. And yes, the idea of spreading things out over time when we can and make when it makes sense are a good idea. But at the same time, if there's anything I want to be sure of is, A, the trucks are safe and our volunteers have proper equipment when they go out to fight a fire so they can be safe. And that to me is more important than almost anything else. I mean, if we get a flat tire on a truck or blow up an engine on a truck, as long as somebody doesn't drive it into the ditch when that happens, that's an expense and it's an inconvenience, but it's not a catastrophe if we lose a firefighter on a scene because they have outdated or improper equipment. That's a problem, a big time problem. So anyway, Eric, I have a question for you on those upcoming expenditures. Those three items, you weren't anticipating any of any expense in those items for this budget? Yeah, we really, yeah, we weren't thinking that for this fiscal year, we weren't thinking that. That's why we didn't add it. Okay. But it was, it was, it's, it's, it's there to kind of say, all right, this is something we're going to have to start thinking about, you know, down the road. Okay. I just wondered if maybe, maybe you could, you know, like where airpacks, you know, starting in 22 or 23 or whatever, just kind of giving us an idea. Yeah, we could, yeah, I can add numbers wherever to kind of give you guys, you know, what it might look like. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I was just wanted to clarify. I didn't think any of those numbers were in this budget and they're not going to be correct. Correct. Okay. Good. Thanks. Peter. Yes. I have two questions. One for Eric. Eric. Sorry. I'm sorry. I got a phone call. So it kind of took, took my train away. Dorinda, I'll start with the question I had for you. What's the total amount last year we spent on the fire department when we did the consolidated budget? So just as a reminder, wasn't it like $161,000 or something in that neighborhood? No, I think it was 125,496. All right. That's the budget for 2122. So what number are you looking for what we actually spent in the year that just ended? I'm interested in what we budgeted for the year that just ended. But the year that just ended or the year we're in? Well, we don't have the year we're in because that's all we got. We have budgeted amounts. We don't have actuals. Okay. Sure. What, what did we budget? For the budget year we're in, we budgeted total 125,496. Great. And the other question I have is for Eric. Eric, every year we've asked the fire department to give us a list of how many cases you were called on and responded to. And I don't know if you have that number, but if you don't, do you think you could get that to us? I don't have the number in front of me, but I, I couldn't certainly get it. That would be great if we could get that before we get the, you know, other numbers on your budget. And if there were any significant ones, because I know that sometimes they're just minor little things on the interstate, it would be helpful to know, you know, whether there were any really significant ones where our fighter fighters had to go and wear the equipment and have the, use the air packs or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah, that would be great. So, so we will be getting, we will be getting right off here an updated report from them, which will have that information. But what do you mean by getting an updated report, Peter? I'm sorry. We can't, we, we submit those numbers every year in the town report. And we break out what number, you know, what, how many calls went to each variety of, of category? Well, can we get that report earlier rather than later? It's not going to be complete if we give it to you now. Well, it would be helpful to have for as far as the year is gone. I mean, are you going on this, are you going this approach again? Well, we didn't use air packs this year, so we don't need them or what? Jeff, I'm asking a question. That's all. I want the statistics to justify your budget. That's all. So guys, what I would suggest is give us the numbers for the last fiscal year. In other words, ending, ending June 30th or July one, that's a complete calendar year. Right. For complete town, financial year. Yep. That would be helpful. I mean, don't give us, don't give us nine months of numbers. That'll just confuse us. Thank you. Can I just say one more thing? So I just have been perusing the internet while we're talking just to see what kind of grants are available. There's nothing right now that, except for COVID stuff. But like last year at this time, there were 16 federal grants of $2 million given to volunteer fire departments and other departments, not just volunteer in Vermont, specifically for the purchase of equipment, including air packs. So did you guys get, like do you guys get notices? Like how you must get something that tells you that these kinds of grants are available? I'm not looking for them, but is someone getting this kind of information that we could have applied last year? We might not have gotten it. I'm sure it was a tough application, but we need to be having our eyes out for this kind of thing. We haven't gotten those notices. Someone should be searching for them. Like someone should be like signing up to get, I mean, this is a FEMA. I mean, I would think that someone in your department has some connection with FEMA because you must have Liz Serbs. You must have something as fire department people. Well, I would say is if Liz could find that information in 15 minutes, you guys ought to be able to find it or get her help to find it. But I couldn't agree more. We need to keep our eye out for that kind of stuff and not wait for somebody to call up and say, Hey, there's a grant available. And we're not the only town that struggles to raise money. And that's why they have these grants to help towns like us. Now again, I'm not saying, but like it, these are the kinds of things that we have to be looking for and applying for. You know, I mean, one of us on the select board needs to be on some sort of alert system of this kind of thing. I just wouldn't know where to start. I mean, there must be some like firefighters association of America, you know, that you could start getting information. I could start getting information from, but this is the kind of thing that it's like Bernie Sanders announced it on his website in October 30th, 2019 that $2 million went to 16 fire departments in Vermont for specifically for the exact same things we're looking for. Well, Eric, now we have Eric, so maybe he can take on that that job of looking for those kids. Are you now the treasurer of the fire department? Yes, recently newly. Yes. Okay, so we have a whole new person to and there are people who can help you with this. Like there's there's people in town who write grants for livings, right? Like and they would be willing to help, you know, you guys figure it out because I'm telling you FEMA grants are horrible. You don't want to apply. I mean, those are really tough grants. And so don't be afraid of that because, you know, there's people who can help you with that. We've gotten a FEMA grant in the past and yes, it is a burly process. We got it for some, we didn't get a tanker. We got it for some video training. I think we have done the fire department for tonight. Does anybody have anything else? Eric, thank you very much. And I'm sorry, we're kind of throwing you under the bus here near the new bus. I can take it. We want to we want to work with you, but it's really important to get the best numbers we can get, which I'm sure it's fair enough. Can I ask you one quick question, Eric? Are you from Waterbury originally? No, because I'm a tabulous over there. That's why I asked. No, no, I'm originally from South Burlington. Yes. Okay, Mary, enough. Making connections. I know, Mary. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you. Bye. Thanks. Thanks, Eric. Okay, so moving right along to the planning commission. You're muted, Sandy. Yes, I'm, I'm here as is Elias, who's also on the planning commission that I see. He's also on the budget committee. And we, the planning commission took up the budget at our last meeting and we are submitting a budget for a total of $11,000. It follows last year's budget with a bit of an increase in consultant fees. And that's to complete the zoning update. We've got a, we received a proposal or from the regional planning commission, which appears to be the entity that helps towns with their zoning updates. They couldn't start on this on, they couldn't start working with the town on the zoning update until this July. And the proposal we have from them totals about $17,000. And that's roughly in line as I, as I provided in, in what I, I shared with the select board, that's roughly in line with what other towns have, have spent for zoning updates in the recent past, then including middle sex in 2003 received a grant and spend $15,000 for a zoning update. I had hoped we could do it for less, but that doesn't, doesn't seem possible given a, a need to update a number of pieces of the, of the zoning. Certainly we could take on less of the zoning, smaller sections of it or not do community outreach. But we sliced and diced it among the planning commission in a number of different ways and felt that the $17,000 and that would be spread over about two years time. We could certainly get it, get the work done, do a good zoning update that would, you know, last for a number of years going forward. I included in what I sent the actual proposal from the regional planning commission, which breaks down how, how we would tackle the zoning update. We would do it in about four, four sections and complete one section before we move on to the next, dedicate one specific planning commission meeting to get public input on that, that section and, and then go on. I think, I think that makes sense rather than trying to do all the drafting all the way at the end when, when it's completely done. So I think it's, it's a good, a good process and a good, and a reasonable cost or fee, or fee for that. We have some of that in the budget this year and we'll spend that for this year and then this would be for the following year. So just, just FYI before, before Liz asked the question, there are grants available for this type of thing. We got a grant this year and we've applied for another grant that had to do with the village planning process. Potentially, if we wanted to put off our zoning, we could apply for a grant in the same timeframe next year, but that would mean we would have no money to spend even if we got the grant. Yeah, my understanding is the, the planning grants that are available, the deadline is sometime in October and I think they let you know within a couple of months after that and so it would be for the following year. I couldn't, we couldn't anticipate that we would get that grant or that even that, that as, as you know, the, a town can't, can't apply for more than one and so I didn't want to assume that the planning commission would be the entity in the town that would be applying for a grant for next October. You know, this is, as you know, this is the challenge of, of coming up with your budget now for what you're going to be spending starting July 2021. Oh, we know, believe me. But I certainly, I could certainly envision the planning commission seeking a grant for it would at that point be roughly $10,000 to complete zoning. We could submit that application in October and that would roughly cover what we're looking for from in the budget for, for next year. It's the same timeframe. Yeah, I guess, and this is just me speaking. I don't know how others feel, but you know, I think it's important to go ahead with the zoning. We've been putting it off. Probably what it makes sense to do, unfortunately, is put the $7,500 in next year's budget. So it's in there, but at the same time, at the same time apply for the grant. And if we're lucky enough to get it, then we have some extra money to cover some other, some other disaster. I guess it's discouraging to me when the towns around us get grants to do this, and we're asking the taxpayers to pay for it. But it is what it is. I understand. Questions, budget committee, board members, Sandy. Does that make sense to everybody that approach? I think so. Yeah, sure. Okay. I agree. So let's not, let's make sure I'll put it on my, on my little, so we would work on that in the August and September timeframe, Sandy. I'm sorry, I didn't, I didn't catch that. If we go for the grant, we would be doing the grant paperwork in August or September, September, October, when? Yeah, it would be due in October. So we would be working on that in August and September, and I'll make sure that we you know, keep that on our, on our list of things to do. Okay. And I will, I will put it on. And confirm with the select board that a, you know, the planning commission that, that we should be looking for the grant for next year, as opposed to some other entity within town. Yeah. That you mean that's the, when you say that, when you say only one entity can apply, you're talking about the state? Are you talking about? No, I'm sorry, the town would only be allowed to get to have one grant at a time in this year. Oh, the grant from whom? This is a grant from the state. They have a planning grant program. But I mean, it wouldn't, it wouldn't keep some other, okay, I'm just trying to see what, when you're trying to preclude other people applying for grants, like what kind of, right. If there was a second phase to the capital budget planning that the town is doing, that they were would be interested in getting an additional grant for that the town would need to figure out a, you know, the select board to decide which, which entity in town or which project should move forward to seek a grant. But it's only for planning. It's not other things. Right. I believe so. Yes. That's it. Thank you. Municipal planning grant program. So it's, it's, it's often used for things like town plans or budget planning, you know, those sorts of things. Yeah. Questions on anyone? I think we have, yes, Tarinda. I have a question that doesn't relate to this, but while Sandy's here, the last payment to the village grant is being made this week. So who is going to be drawing down on that grant? I'm, I'm sorry, I didn't, I totally hear all of that. Okay. Um, we, my understanding was we had to make the final payment to Du Bois and King. The check was written this week. So who and when will the grant be drawn down for the final payment? We, um, we need to submit my understanding is we need to submit a report and then we can get our final payment on the grant. I think it's, it's not me. I think it's been Mitch and one of the select board members who are the responsible entities to take action on that grant. What to say in the report, you're right that only somebody can actually do the physical button pressing, but I don't, I wouldn't know what to say. So somebody has to write that piece. Okay. I'm happy to help, help write the report. I don't have any of the, any of the documents. So I don't, I don't know. I can check with, with Mitch. I know I had a brief conversation with him a month or so ago, you know, recognizing that the work is done, we need to get it submitted. So we can get, we can get our final, our final payment. I will, I'll double check with him. I think it's just like a little spreadsheet that says what items were completed. And I think Mitch can just load it up and let us know that it's loaded up. And then I think I have the capacity to submit the button and Peter does and Phil does some bizarre group of us has that ability. But I wouldn't have any idea what to say on the final report. So, but the last time it happened, Mitch had put the stuff in there. He just didn't realize that it wasn't being seen by anyone. And that's why I never got submitted until I got in touch with them to figure it out. I will double check with Mitch and I will copy you Liz to make sure that needs to get done, gets done. And if I can help by providing the information or text or something for the report, I'm happy to do that. Thanks, Sandy. It would just be, it would just be great if we could get the money before we have to pay the vendors. But I understand. Yeah, the final, the final payment the town has to pay. I think they do that to make sure that you pay your share and then they reimburse it. Well, it's all done. So, thank you. I would say that concludes our budget workshop for this evening. A little over time, but good discussion. Anything else, budget committee members? No, just thanks everyone. Yep. Thank you. Be back for the next session. Can I ask, was Bill Dorrigan here? I don't, I didn't see Bill Dorrigan, but he was not here. Bill was going to come for the first part of this, but I don't think he made it. He had a conflict. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thanks, guys. Okay. Good night. Good night. Good night. I went to our regular meeting completing the municipal impact review for a proposed octagon building at Camp Meade action likely. I have that thing in front of me. It's pretty simple and straightforward. I think although we should have asked the fire department when, when they were here for their, for their input, but most of these things, you will have this in front of you. I'm sorry. Yeah. So what this says is does the municipality have the capacity to provide the following services without unreasonable burdens for the above project and the categories are fire protection, police protection, rescue service, road maintenance, solid waste disposal? Well, the bottom line is most of those services we don't provide, but we do provide fire protection. And I guess the question is, are we come so if you remember, and they attached a copy of the building permit and diagrams and everything, I mean, it's a wood frame, two story building. I forget how many square feet it is. I looked at it, but it's not a, it's not a gigantic building. It's no bigger than a large, than a large house would be. So my guess would be the answer to the fire protection question is yes, or excuse me. Yes, we have the capacity to provide the following services, but probably we ought to run that by the fire department. I can call call Jeff and ask him that question. Police protection obviously is a no. We don't do that rescue service. That's the fire department again. Solid waste disposal is a no and road maintenance, unless you disagree, Steve, I can't see that there would be any road maintenance associated with that. There's none. So do we check municipality does not provide the service because they okay. So what I would suggest is with the with the board's approval that I would I would connect up with with Jeff and get his confirmation that we can yes both the fire protection and rescue service. Then would the deficiency to occur without this project? We're not saying we have any deficiencies. So that's that's a non issue. If the deficiencies are common to many projects, is this project create burdens which are disproportionate to the taxes? I would say the answer to that is no. And are you available after sufficient notice to answer questions relating to the above statement at an Act 250 hearing? I guess the answer would be lucky me. Yes. You know, I can't imagine that that this is going to create any issues. There's a similar similar questionnaire that the school has to complete, although it's different different questions. But we've approved the building permit. And this is just part of the Act 250 process. Bill, do you have anything to add? Because I noticed that there was a hearing before the zoning board of adjustment. Yeah, there was. We actually heard, I think, four different pieces from planetary matters all somewhat interconnected, but standalone projects. The the only issue that we raised, and they, you know, it was really good presentation, but they originally were looking for three stories. And that in that area, a third story requires a waiver. And we weren't particularly excited about granting that because they they really didn't have a specific idea about that third story. So it looks to me that they backed off from that at this point and are are simply going to go with the two story. But otherwise, it was a it was a good presentation. I think it's a good plan. It says here that they they want to use a commercially retail office and residential. I mean, they're really going to have somebody live there, do you think? They might have an apartment or two. But I suspect it's going to be more of the commercial office space. I think there's a plan to have a cheese aging seller. And they've got somebody lined up who's going to actually do use the basement for for that. And then and then again, different kinds of small professional offices. And then I think there was a good size meeting room that they were looking at doing. You know, I think the residential thing is more of a backup if the if the commercial spaces don't pan out, they've got the possibility of having a couple of couple of apartments in there on I think on the second floor. Phil, where do you say that it's not three anymore? It says three on the application. It does. Yeah, and handwriting. It says description of proposed project three straight octagon shaped building. I got to find the original application list, maybe. I don't have those documents up in front of me, but I did look it over. This is the one that that has an approved applicant copy on it. Yeah, let me I just found it. Let me take a look. I think it's the bottom. It says applicants shall not have a restaurant in the building without further approval of the board and applicants shall comply with section 3.5 of these right concerning height requirements. That's what you said in this this decision that's got a lot of parts to it on August 25th. Right. Phil, it's at the bottom of that first application. So I think that then they must they're considering the third story to be the basement area because it's going to be essentially commercial space and it's open on the back. It's completely open. And that basically becomes ground level somewhere. They said how many feet it was going to be above grade and it was like 22 or 24 feet. So that can't be three stories. No. You know, where did they say that, Peter? I don't have the documents up in front of me. Yeah, I don't either. But but you're right, Peter, there was a height on here. I don't have that documents up either. Oh, it says height 34 feet on that. Right. Okay. That's three stories. That is. Where did you see that, Mary? It's not the same that we're looking at. I can share it if someone gives me their right to share. I've got it. I just don't know where. If you look at the planning commission detail for their decision, they've got more details in there, too. But it's the application for zoning permits. Guys, if I could just interrupt you. This is all well and good, but the permit's approved. We're not reviewing the permit. Right. What we're reviewing is this is this little form we have to make out. So further discussion about the approved permit, I guess we can do that. But permits approved. Well, it's just interesting that people thought it was different. That's all. Well, when I, and I'm sorry, if I screwed it up, when I look through it, I believed when I got through it that it was two stories, but I don't have the thing in front of me now. And I can't remember where I saw that. So maybe I'm wrong. Well, the decision that just say hereby approves application 2001 with the conditions that was stated above. And the stated above was that can't have a restaurant without further approval and they comply with the regulations 3.5 concerning height requirements. So I don't know what those are. It's a high requirement in 3.5, Feldy, you know? Right. No, not at the top of my head. But yeah, in the original application, they asked for 34 feet. Right. But I don't, I believe that was an issue I'm trying to scroll down through. I don't know. This was up a while ago. So I'm looking through the zoning regulations to see if anything. Oh, thanks. Oh, thanks, Sarah. Sarah, are you there? Thank you for running a terrific election with all of your people. Thank you. There weren't that many people. Derinda gets the, Derinda gets the prize. Okay, Derinda, thank you as well. I mean, we had no problems in our polling spot and it's a lot of work done by you guys, you women. Sarah did a lot of pre-organization and pushing people to vote early. I'm just looking through these. Didn't realize I wasn't prepared for zoning. I don't have that in front of me either, but I believe it's 35 feet. Oh, it is? I believe it is. So the 34, they came in a foot under? They put it a foot under, yes. So the question- I believe I'm right, but I don't have that in front of me. So we don't know whether they count the basement as a floor and there's two- The computer's point. Are we going to continue discussing this? No, it's done. Yes, what I'm confused by is that zoning 3.5 is existing non-conforming small lots. So that's why I'm confused. And I was trying to understand the plans and I'm pretty good at understanding plans, but I'm not perfect. You can say, so that's three floors with a 10-foot ceiling height and no space for structure. Maybe the first floor has a higher ceiling. I have no idea. I can't remember. No, three floors, but I could be wrong. I think it's 3, okay, 3.6. What's the tag? I'm trying to match it up to it. 3.6. That's why I'm confused. It should say 3.6 of the height requirements, not 3.5. I can go through the height requirements for you if you really care. It says the maximum height of structures in all districts shall not exceed the district maximum, except as permitted under subsection B. Or for the following, agriculture, steeples, accessory structures, when that includes things like chimneys, antennas, flag poles. And it says the board of adjustment may permit structures in excess of the district standard. Upon finding the following, we have to meet a bunch of conditions. So it can't be used for advertising purposes. It has the portion of the structure above the district maximum, height shall remain unoccupied, except for normal maintenance. So things like that, which I guess is what the ZBA was talking about when they said you can't put anybody up there in that top floor. You can't rest on that top floor. Right. Yeah. I'm wondering now, I mean, I'm trying to visualize the plans. And for some reason, I'm thinking that that third story may in fact just be a cupola. I think it is just kind of like a pitch of some sort, some sort of almost decorative. Yeah. Yeah. In which case it wouldn't be a big deal. That would fall under color of like the steeple category. Yeah. It's annoying. Getting back to this delightful little state of Vermont forms, everybody comfortable with the approach that I outline? Yep. Are there two pages, Peter? Second school, Mary. Oh, okay. I'm not doing the school. I will get a hold of Jeff and make sure he agrees, Sarah, and I will sign this and I scan it back to you or do I need to deliver it to you? I'm sure you can scan it back to me. Okay. I will do that. Thank you, Peter. I won't be here. Someday I'd like to take a day off tomorrow as Veterans Day and I actually thought I would take off Thursday. Yes, day off. I only have 240 more vacation hours to go. I know that's another issue we have to deal with at some point. Okay, so that takes care of that. Highway report, Steve. I did myself. We've been doing just a lot of little things to catch up before the winter really sets in. We're still doing some road grading and spot grading on some roads. They've been doing that quite a bit. We've put up some signs. We got a couple more signs that are ordered and that will go up. We put up some gates at the town garage so that people can't drive down around back. We put sand up by the old town garage for people to be able to get some stuff. I'm going to be short people over the next couple of weeks. I'm out one guy today, tomorrow, Thursday, and Friday for the rest of the week. Everything goes right. He's cataract surgery. If that goes right, the following week he's going to do the other eye. I've got that covered. Everybody's got stuff to do. We got trees around town that are on the side of the road that need to be taken care of. We're not going to be taking care of all of them, but we're going to try to take care of some of the smaller ones that we can handle and get those done. That's basically all I have right now. We do have a born's energy that wants to put in a larger propane tank up at the town garage. We prepared an area that's double in size of what we've got so capacity-wise. We made sure that they've got room to do their work. That happens on the 16th. Other than that, I don't have anything unless somebody's got some questions. Steve, I was talking to Ray Hickory. He has some complaints about the highway department. I said I would mention them to you and that I thought that perhaps you would give him a call. I can do that. I will give him a call. I'm going to ask him to put the complaints or whatever, probably put it in writing to the select board. That's how I'd like people to do it. We've got the paper trail. People complain or do whatever or got questions. Then they get answered. Make sure they get answered. Yes, I will call him. I figure if you called him, then you would have heard them. You would have heard, but I doubt he'll put it in writing. We should require him to put it in writing. Telephone calls are great, but then the memory of what's on the telephone call fades over time. I figure Steve could probably answer some of the questions. I don't think we should require people to put their complaints in writing. That's what we're here for for phone calls. I think that's asking too much. I think that if we want to put it in writing, then that's what we do is that we write it down for the record that we had conversation. I think that's what we should do and try to keep that going. I will call him, see what he's got. He might not like my answers or maybe he will. I don't know. I don't know whose questions or complaints are. However, I will advise him that he could just put everything in writing. Here's Ray has never been happy with the way we take care of our roads. That's why I didn't want to go into it when we're on television. I mean, you know, Orca. I'm just saying that's a fact. Anything else, Steve? No, that's it. Okay. Thank you very much. About October 20, 2020, select board minutes. Is there a motion? You missed the trailer. You forgot me. You forgot our Darinda. Yeah, but I forget Darinda. So patient I am. Just a couple. When I was saying early back on the budget while I was sitting here looking, I gave you the wrong number of what we spent last year. We actually spent $141,394 on the buyer department. I know. I'm looking at the wrong column. I apologize. That's all right. I have one great piece of good news that you're probably all going to be happy to hear. We received notice that and the money that we're giving an extra $30,702 in state highway aid for the current budget year. Steve was excited. How did that happen? It's a we're not going to ask questions. They've already given us the money. They appropriated another 7 million one time transportation fund monies to the budget. So that's our portion of it. That's that's good news. It is. So we should we should. So that is that is this fiscal year that we're in, correct? Yeah, correct. Yeah. And that's all I got. I'm sure we use but let's let's be sure we have a plan to spend that money in the best possible way. I'm sure Steve you'll have some ideas on how to do that. I will do my best. Was warrant number one and warrant number three, did they overlap at all? Because I thought they had the same end amounts like $878,000. I mean, I just and I was through them. Are you talking the two columns? No, I'm talking warrant one, which is $878,000 and then warrant three was $878,000. And I didn't it didn't just pay. I think I printed them out. Hang on. I thought you three warrants. No, one edit list, one's an edit list and one was the actual warrant and then the other was payroll. Yeah, so what's the edit list? I guess I didn't understand that. The edit list is a more explanation of what the checks are. It's a little more detail in your lack of being able to review the actual bills. We're trying to give you a little bit more information. Great. Okay. That's what I thought. Thanks. Yeah. Any questions for Dorinda? Oh, but that's good news. I could never I could never remember her only having good news. There's always been the good news, bad news or the bad news, bad news. We like good news Dorinda. Yeah. Well, I like that one and we already got the check. That's even better. Oh, well, you did see we paid out the school. That was our big check in this check run and it was actually it was and we have to do another one in December. So and that'll be another 833 at the end of December. God bless our schools. I believe it's appropriate to approve our October 2020 minutes. This is the one motion. Second. Who seconded? Liz. Liz. Didn't you move it? I tried and Phil, Phil and I did it at the same exact time. Just by the nose. Photo finish. Okay. All those in favor of approving the October 2020 minutes please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? We have approved our minutes. Orders. You've got enough people to respond Dorinda. I've only got I only had two before the select board meeting. I'll I'll look at them after the meeting. I didn't have a chance before. I read. I looked through them. Correspondence. No. Zippo. Zippo. Perfect. Any other matters that may come before the board? I see. I just want to say that we have a meeting next Tuesday as you know. Because the fun never ends. I was going to take a couple of days off but that's would be impossible. I'm going to send that agenda out on Saturday and I just wanted to know you guys to know that one of the topics is going to be taking advantage of the legislatures. COVID decision allowing towns to suspend town meeting for one year coming up. So I figure it's a good idea unless you guys can see any objection to bringing that up at the next meeting. No. I'm sorry why are we having a meeting on Tuesday already? Because life normally have been on election day. Oh right. And then Thanksgiving's coming up and nobody wants to so that's why. I can take your notes for you if you want to take that day off. No. No. That's okay. But thank you very much Liz. I mean it's not that you should not say that you can't do something because you take notes. It's more like planning for it. So and the other thing I wanted to get from the sense of the board to quote Bill Kalman is do you need other do you need like the conservation commission to come their meeting on Thursday? Do you need them to actually come to the board or do you think like if they just submit something that that's enough for you guys? I mean I know you like to grill the fire department and the planning commission but the do you need everybody else or are you kind of okay? I think the conservation committee. I mean when we're zooming it shouldn't be that big an inconvenience for somebody to zoom in. Okay. So I'd like to hear from them. Okay I'd like to hear from them too because then they realize they're asking for money and we're making a decision about every year we go through this. Do you say why do we have these people come in? We can just do this without them. So you know. In the future if we ever ever get back to in-person meetings we can make a decision but right now what all somebody has to do is jump on the zoom for 15 minutes. Okay well then what about the cemetery commission? Absolutely. Okay they might be in December. I think maybe next week all you're going to get is a conservation commission. Is highway on next week? Oh yeah that's another one. Where'd Steve go? I just unmuted myself. Yeah I'm going to try to have a preliminary budget for next Tuesday's meeting. Okay so we'll have the highway department, we'll have the conservation commission and we'll talk about town meeting. Have you have you talked to Mitch about doing something for the rec committee or how's that going to shake out? He was he was uh cc'd. We know we do have December. Right no I'm just trying to figure out you know I just want to make sure everybody's been contacted. I did do a whole blanket a blitz email but I will uh I'll reach out to Mitch as well so we'll have Mitch and the ZBA doesn't have a they don't really have a budget and the highway department's big and the cemetery commission I don't know when they're going to come through. I assume December. I said that in a little bit of a snarky manner. Seems like what we should hear from the cemetery what what does everybody else think? Yeah sure. Okay okay well I'm going to book that for December if that's okay. Do you think enough people will know about our discussion about possibly canceling town meeting I mean so there won't be a surprise if you know we decide it next Tuesday? I honestly completely don't think how you that there's any way you can meet. I mean I just don't see that it's possible. No I'm not saying that is there enough notice so that people won't go around saying oh my god the select were decided we didn't even know it was on the agenda. Maybe you can put it on front porch for armrest or you always do with the agenda. Well would you like me to put it on the first that's why I'm bringing it up now would you like me to put it for the first meeting in December? You just can't kick it down the road because we're going to have to it's going to it's going to impose a certain timeline on us if we have to create ballots that are available 45 days before the election. You know I think I think it's a no-brainer I don't think we have any choice so I think make the decision and then make sure we communicate it to everybody. I don't think there's anything really to talk about it's virtually impossible to have town meeting how are you going to have a Zoom meeting with 100 people on it and have elections and votes and things like that it's impossible. Well not only that but it eliminates a certain member portion of the population. I mean there are people who don't have computers and even people who have computers have crappy internet service in in middle sex so that's why I think the legislature did what they did. So what it means guys is just so you can be thinking about this is there's been a lot of discussion over the years and Dorinda's is percing her percing her lips that the money items should be on a ballot. Well this year they're going to be on the ballot so this is a good a good test case a one-year test case to see how that works and what kind of participation we get. So what you're saying is we still have to have people coming to vote or something on town meeting correct. What I would envision is that what Peter and I were talking about which is doing kind of following the Secretary of State's queue and now that we've got a kind of tidy list a checklist mailing every single person in middle sex a ballot. I would we'll just use the same I mean I've just used the voter list we'll send them town reports and we'll send them ballots and that way they can come here and vote on town meeting day as opposed to going to the school because I don't think it's right to infect the school and then they can early vote like they did for the general election. And we should have some kind of informational meeting now and that can be I'm zoom okay I didn't hear what you said Sarah I just I just don't know how we'll have an informational meeting on zoom but okay yeah I think you guys can do that we're gonna have send that a ballot and a report and just say here it is good luck I think we should I mean that's my take on it is we should give people the opportunity to ask questions so I would recommend we have a zoom informational meeting but there won't be any voting but we can talk about that at the next meeting yeah we'll try to find out what other towns are how they're dealing with this yeah and that's next Tuesday so today is the 9th so that will be on the 14th right unless you want me to postpone unless you want me to make a bigger deal out of that and say we're gonna talk about that the first meeting of December and just put you know notices on front porch forum it's up to you I'm just trying to get a feel before I before I do this try to feel what you guys want to do when you want to talk about this I like letting a lot of people know we're thinking about it so then it's not a surprise I mean it makes that feminine sense but I just think it's important to make sure people know about it I haven't seen anything in the press about this at all yeah I don't know what I'm sorry have you seen anything in any of the press about this I haven't seen anything in the press I've been just watching I just looked at the Vermont league of town league of cities and towns about it yeah your first meeting on Tuesday your first meeting is the first of December so you I mean you're getting that would be an early-ish meeting if you want to discuss it at our next meeting you want to discuss it your next meeting okay okay well I mean you know it's all gonna be it's all gonna be over sweeping us quick quickly enough but I truly don't I mean we can make a decision about the informational meeting but in terms of how we're gonna how we're gonna have people vote I don't think there's anything to talk about right I mean the I guess the only other thing to talk about is if you want to I'm looking at myself my glasses are all crooked I look like or something I apologize um hey but by the way guys these are the new eyes and man they're working good little baby reading glasses only everything else is crystal clear wait you just had cataract surgery and my other eye fixed yep double vision is gone if you see me driving at night I won't be coming down the middle of the road weaving back and forth so that'll be a good thing well that's what you did was Liz yeah well that was a little situation it was one that all I'm saying guys is I really I've been thinking about this and it just to me yes the other choice is we don't mail out ballots to everybody we make people request them but I don't think that's the right approach I think everybody but we can talk about also we're going to talk about this December 1st is that the consensus I like December 1st but I might be the only one I will send you a copy of axed 162 which is the which allows a legislative body to use Australian ballot ballot for any town meeting in 2021 any town meeting including special meetings okay let's make a decision about when we're going to talk about this Peter I thought I thought it should be at our next meeting that she brought up first just because of what you said it shouldn't take too long to I mean there are some areas of a lot of discussion but for the most part we can make a decision and put it out there so that everybody knows yeah and I think the earlier the better I I agree with Steve I think I'd I'd rather do it you know next time around normally I wouldn't have been here because I had would have had surgery yesterday but this network hack has postponed everything everything there's a better chance that I'll I will be at the meeting next week possibly not though in December so well that's a good yeah so I'd rather talk about it next week I just want to make sure people know and they're not you know yeah that's all it was just a question of notice so people don't come they do all this stuff without telling you what they're gonna do well I will also put something on friend porch forum that's a separate link like I just I'm just sending you guys the vlct link for a town how to do this how to what is available to towns for town meeting in 2021 under the covid restrictions and peter's right you do need an informational meeting so I mean that has to happen and if I just put that separately out there on friend porch forum then people can read it ahead of time and they can you know at least have some information because it does have links and you know a toolkit so to speak that'd be great thank you so I have I have one other quick thing uh darinda and I have been having some back and forth with our auditor about some accounting issues and problems with the audit and we have some thoughts about potentially reorganizing the way we do our accounting process and I'd like to talk about that at our uh at our next meeting does that work for you darinda okay thank you so if you put that on the agenda that's a big thing that means heavy topics well we've had some I mean we don't want to get into it tonight we've we've had some we've had some issues and we need to figure out how to resolve them going forward so not fine not financial issues yeah there's no money missing there's no no no issues like that let's let's get that in the record just say all the money darinda hasn't been booking any world around the world cruises or uh buying a home or that so if you would if you would put that with darinda's consent put that on the uh I'll put it under the treasurer report yeah so what about can I just ask one other question how are we doing i'm getting a new zoning administrator that's coming through the planning commission we've advertised and uh I talked to one candidate who was worried so sandi and I developed an ad and we ran the ad twice in the times argus um we have uh we I do have two candidates who are interested one of the candidates was put off by the number of hours required and does not know if she can do the number of hours required in the ad the other candidate is submitting an application and so is one of the candidates the person who was doing it before yes but as you know it goes through the planning commission from the planning commission to the select board yeah I do know that okay just want to be clear because that's their thing right hey anything else anyone see you next week we'll be right back here before you know it no next week like there was last tuesday on a lucky day every tuesday I'll be living here Peter should I call you now when we get off all right see you guys bye this is a good time for you yeah it's fine okay thank you