 You're welcome back. We did say that we are going to go to the Niger Delta as it were to bring you what is happening there because we like to touch all parts of Nigeria. That's why if there is someone vying for a position from anywhere, we bring them here. We've brought people from other states to talk to us about what they intend to do to change the political landscape and make life better for the citizenry. And that is what we're going to do in the Niger Delta today. So we'll talk first of all about the Niger Delta. We have just had the new chair of the NDDC and what the marked difference will be. And then we'll also talk about what the governor of River State said about choosing a presidential candidate anointing a presidential candidate which maybe may not be PDP because a lot can happen between now and January. Maybe the reconciliation that we've been looking for or the party needs right now will be done by January. We don't know. But by January he's going to announce who he intends to support for the presidency come 2023. We also are going to be looking at a state in Niger Delta and that is actually Delta State. To discuss this with me is a media consultant and also a public affairs analyst, Mr. Theo Fellows Akatuba. Mr. Akatuba welcome to the show. All right. Good morning to you. Good morning Nigeria. It's a pleasure to be on this channel with you. Okay. Right after the exit for a long time people have been clamoring for the NDDC board to be constituted and to have someone lead that board. Now we have Loreta Onoche as the board of the NDDC and we're wondering if she has come on board and there is a board now because you can't have a chair without a board. What will that much difference be between when that board was not constituted and now? What are we expecting of the board and the chair in particular? Thank you very much. I think the first thing is that the board is in place or it's the organ of an organization that help to supervise, to have what you call a supervisory responsibility over the day-to-day administration of the organization. The board sets the, we call it the strategic agenda in collaboration with the management and then the board determines the quality, the operations of the chief executive and his lieutenants to ensure that the objectives of the owners of the company is met, which is the owners are Nigerians. For example, it's directly the chairman of the board represents the interest of the president and the political party that is in governance, so that the objective of that party for the organization is realized. And so the difference is that it's coming late, but the objective is to ensure that the goals, the aspiration of the president are achieved. Don't forget that the NDDC has been going through forensic auditing and to investigate how they have spent all the mornings that have been put there. There's nothing wrong with the NDDC except for the fact that most of his resources have been managed and a lot of it have not been used for the purpose and the objective, to achieve the objective of developing the Niger Delta and providing solutions to where there are many problems. So the difference is that, of course, a representative of the president is now sitting on the board and overseeing the affairs of the board. It's expected that whoever is managing the leader of the organization on a day-to-day-to-day would be able to listen and work with the board to achieve the big objectives. He is not going to be the first board chairman in that place. There used to be a board chairman, there used to be a board before maybe a lot of things went the way they went. And when this forensic audit was done on NDDC, we saw that there was a very, very massive rot in the system. There was very massive looting in the system, even with the board. So I am just wondering what significance it will bring to that, except that someone from the presidency, which we have seen before, is there to supervise. How can we hold them? How can there be a difference? I'm still asking the same question, because if, at the time, we had a board before, there was that kind of corruption, what will be done to make sure that this time it will be better? The structure of these organizations have always been the same. But you also know that the people that are placed in these offices make a lot of difference. And so what we expect is that no matter how much someone has spoken very loudly and consistently about anti-corruption and who is an adherent promoter of the president and the president's ideals, so our choice for that office is to look closely with the eye of the president and supervise that agency into the future. I believe it's coming late, but let's see what can happen within the shortest possible time. I'm sure that the audit will be implemented and all the recommendations and what the findings and whoever needs to be punished, you will see some action will take place shortly. That's what I expect in the minimum. The future is to see the NDDC does what it set up to do, which it has not done very well, but in many years. It has been a settling ground for politicians, shamefully and disgracefully, to the disadvantage of the Niger Delta people. Unfortunately for that part of Nigeria, they have not been lucky enough to have very good leaders, very good politicians, I don't call them leaders. Take note of my words, leaders are not politicians. Politicians are seekers of public office to represent the people, not because they are natural leaders. Leaders indeed work in the interest of people at the sacrifice and at the heart of their own lives. So we are funding leaders in the midst, but majority of the politicians are not leaders. Well, some people have also argued that Loretta Onochi couldn't have been the best choice. Yeah, some people have said that Loretta couldn't have been the best choice of people to choose if they had to choose somebody that couldn't have been Loretta, and I don't know why they said that, but I don't know what you think, because some say she may not have had the experience to do that, aside from being a lawyer-list to the APC and to the president like you have pointed out. How do you assess the capacity of Loretta based on whatever office she has held before? Well, it could be true that she might not have the broad and requisite academic credentials, which a lot of Nigerians believe in and rely on a lot. We have a country where people struggle to appendage their name, PhDs and doctors, and at the end of the day, they do not make any meaningful impact in society. Nigeria parades some of the best academically qualified men and women, but you see the quality of service that the citizens are enjoying. And so to that extent, I understand where they are coming from, where they look at qualification, but the president in this time will be looking at an individual that has the capacity to manage men and resources. Loretta's exposure is adequate to be a board chairman. She's politically astute. She's working in presidency. She understands the dynamics, and she's quite radically minded enough to hold that office because of what has happened to her people. She's from that religion. She understands. As people have very qualified ones, but we have come. So it must give the president the opportunity to let this chairman play her role. A lot of people, you know, I believe we are moving into an era where we must play down on academic qualification. We must play up the natural gift of men to provide leadership. So that's why when I hear people laugh and gest at her, she taught us of her qualification. It was very, very sound that she has that ability to manage. At that level, you need ability to manage men and women, resources to achieve a give-ungo. You need to have the technical, you know, nitty-gritty detail to do that work. So I think she's qualified and able to do that job. That's what I think, and we must give her the opportunity to play. And she represents the important constituency, the women constituency. We must give more women opportunities to head boards because of the fact that they have more capacity to manage things. I think so. And I believe the president has done well in her choice. Okay. Apart from Loretta and all that around her, what are some of the things that the people of Niger Delta complain about that you think the NDDC should address because they could have addressed them and didn't? Whatever reason there was, but what are some of these concerns of the Niger Delta that you think the NDDC should be looking to address going forward? The NDDC is supposed to play a complementary role. You know, complementary role towards state governments, local government are doing. And other organizations like the SuperDec, for example. And this is complementary. It's actually a federal government interventional agency to help the Niger Delta where there are gaps, major projects that the governors or projects that connect states, the Niger Delta states together. Major roads, major projects that benefit across states. That's what I believe the Niger Delta was set up for. But over the years, it has lost its mandate and they've been doing very little, little things that local governments should be doing. And that has strained the organization and led to so much corruption. Many abandoned projects. So the Niger Delta people are complaining of lack of impact in the big things that the Niger Delta Commission should be doing. They are doing small things. You see them doing cassava in some rural areas, mini roads in towns and villages. There are major projects that need to be done. The East West Road also need their attention, the support, the complementary support of the NDDC. The NDDC, you know, for many, could not even complete their headquarters until recently. You can see that a lot of the resources of the people of the Niger Delta have been filled. That's what the President said. So much has gone in this agency. But not much can be seen as evidence. So the people of Niger Delta have a common crime of not feeling the impact of the NDDC in relation to the mandate that is supposed to be executed. And so that is not about the lack of expertise but it is not a lack of people. But the fact that the NDDC is just a waste is a source of filtering away the resources meant for the development of Niger Delta. Look at the many years. The Niger Delta still remain one of the most backward and underdeveloped regions in Nigeria. I tell you this because if you compare the what's on the ground, you know, so was I caught? You will agree. The Niger Delta, you know, has not done well. Did you lose me? I got a call on this phone. Okay. So Niger Delta expects a lot of things to be done. And sometimes when you say things are not being done and you mentioned some of these things, it seems like an indictment on the governors in the Niger Delta. We need to just know briefly why at all there was this need to set up the Niger Delta so that Niger Delta Commission, because some people will need this to understand why we're even talking about the NDDC in the first place because we don't have the Development Commission in other regions of the country. There was a need for this so it will help us to understand why what is happening is happening and why the people even have a right to complain about some things that naturally it's supposed to be either the federal government or the state governments that should be doing. Just briefly. Yeah. There is a Development Commission recently set up on the Northeast, which is a new one. It was set up in response to the fact that the Boko Haram menace and the insurgents that have managed a lot of these places. The region where most of the resources of this country come from, the oil resources. And so that region needs special attention. This is the reason why the government established it. And the governors of the state, typical of the way they govern their individual states, have looked on, you know, and also benefited from what has happened in the Niger Delta Commission. Every one of them have their own quota. They have people descending there to get contracts. Contracts that were never executed or at best were executed shorty projects not that will not endure. And the money is of the NDDC that is scattered and used to settle political friends even across the Niger Delta, including the North. A lot of Northerners are also part of the Niger Delta Pivrich because the people there have lost every sense of responsibility to their people. They do not love their people, many of the Niger Delta politicians. A lot of them are very backward in thinking, in orientation. They went to school, but they do not understand the meaning of development. They do not know that if they fail to develop the Niger Delta, it's to their own disgrace, detriment, and failure, you know, because your region must reflect the wealth that there is. And if Niger Delta is still what it is today, every politician that has passed through the Niger Delta in the past, and those two seeking office to cover their faces in shame and do everything to cover up for the loss, for the gap, because the governors, those in the past, current governors, recently you heard of Wickey's revelation when Wickey said certain amounts of money have been paid to all the NDDC, Niger Delta governors. Can you believe it that Delta is the way I come from? The governor did not announce to the state that such monies have arrived. The governor did not tell the people that, oh, the money, we have got it. This is where we are putting the money. We are going to do this project with the money. He didn't tell the people about the money until Wickey revealed it. Wickey said, all of these great projects that I'm doing, do you think I got the money from FAC? No! I got the money from a large, from backlog of money that's supposed to have been paid to all of us under the PDP that was not paid. The APC Wickey, supposedly Wickey-Bowari has paid from there, I got all these. But Delta did not hear of it. Many of the states, they didn't tell their people. It was, now they started explaining. This is a very simple example of the decrypt of account. I'm looking for the right word to describe the uncivilized governor that the Niger Delta people are experiencing from there today. And it has to stop. They have so underdeveloped the people. Media, for example, media is not popular in a state like Delta. Delta's do not have a television channel that they all watch so that they can even interrogate their government. There is no mechanism with which you can hold your governor accountable. They made it short. They made it short. There is no media. The media landscape is fragmented. You can at best, the radio in Wawari won't get to, from Wawari won't get to Wawari. The radio frequency in Wawari won't get to Wawari. So there is no consistency of action. There's no way you can make a broadcast and the entire state will hear of it. That's one way they have consistently made the people voiceless. That's why a lot of us don't know what's going on in many of the states, especially in the Niger Delta area. A very dark region of very corrupt and poorly oriented individuals who do not understand development. They don't love the people. They oppress the people with the little knowledge they have. And they think that that way is the best way to go. It takes a few elites to develop a society. So Loretta is going there. She's made a lot of noise. She's promoted the president. She's an advocate of anti-corruption. Let's see what she's going to do with the enemies. Okay. With all the things you're talking about in the Niger Delta, it's good that you said that you're from the Delta state yourself. I would have said, but it's good you're talking about your people and with that kind of passion. But finally, before we take a break and go to other matters, I'd just like to know. Some people also have said, why wait for conflicts before you establish things that are supposed to develop the country and any section of the country? For instance, the Niger Delta Development Commission was established because there were oil spills. There were agitations within the Niger Delta and so many other things that if they hadn't established that board for intervention, like you said, maybe it would have deteriorated into something else. And then now, in the Northeast, there is a board established because there is Boko Haram that has lasted for over 10 years in that place. And people are saying, why not just establish these things if you know that they are going to lead to development so that the Northwest will have its own, the Southeast will have its own, the Southwest will have its own and every zone in the country will have its own. Are you also a proponent of that? Well, we must agree with me that naturally you have three tiers of government and they should be adequate in dispensing service and development in their various areas. But all these kind of agencies were set up as a response to a special need or in the course of doing business or exploring the exploration of the oil. They now discovered that the government are not able to manage the degradation and the federal government in his mind thought that, okay, especially agencies through which funds are channeled could respond to this special need. That is the thought, that's the imagination. And it was set up for that purpose. Remember, derivation was not always there too. So they also came up as a result of, you know, when life is a progressive situation as you move along, you discover, okay, can we respond to this need? So these are responses to developing channeling agencies as they lie and as business determination rolls forward. We can create a commission for every region when there is really no special need. You can create any special commission for the Southwest when there is no special reason for it. The actions of the governors and the local government systems should be enough to go about the day-to-day dispensing of services and development of these areas. So that's a special place. And if you understand it well, there must be what you call the federal government capacity to respond to cross-border development on the cross-border. They can bridge between Delta, Biosa or a certain developmental requirement of, you know, so this is why I think we can't just set up commissions everywhere. For example, you know, no one envisages insurgency to the extent that we suffer. So now there will be need for that agency to help fast-track development across that region for the kind of destructions that have taken place over the years. It's like after post-war development needs. So for me, I believe that it is not so much about where that there is. It's so much about the people and their quest for the development. A lot of us that we are in competition with the world, many of our people, many of our politicians, they fail to understand the competition with the rest of the world. If you do not develop your country, the world will take advantage of you. People are crying about brain drain and I wonder why are you crying about brain drain when you fail to develop? Your people will seek a better place. Every human being is a progressive animal. He will look for where else is better. And if your neighbor is making his whole compound better, your compound remains undeveloped. Your children will naturally stray there to play because he's better there, safer there. So Nigerians should not be crying. Nigerians are moving out of this country in droves. They are moving out today because 10 years ago we didn't do what we should do. 20 years ago we did not do what we should do. If we did what we should do 20 years ago, we won't have graduated, we won't have jobs. We have not done. If we develop our electricity many years ago, we have companies coming here to invest and build companies. Most of the industrial parks will not turn to churches and mosques as we see them today. All of the buildings have been converted to churches. Let's drop it here. Many of the iconic places are now springing up as worship centers. Let's drop it here for now. Just a moment. We need to just take a break and return because we have two other very vital things that we need to discuss. Now we've talked about NDDC and mostly about how it has been administered as it is over the years and it has to also do with the governors who are in those states because if they are open doing and looking into the affairs of the NDDC as well because it concerns them, the things we heard about NDDC we may not have heard about them but we'll take a short break and when we return we'll continue with other issues like the utterances of Governor Nyexom Wike and also what is happening in Delta State between Umoa Gege and Okowa who is the Vice Presidential Candidate of the PDP. We have Mr. Akatuba, Theophilus Akatuba, a media consultant and a public affairs analyst talking with us about the politics in Niger Delta we started with something that is more federal than local that is the NDDC. Now let's go to what really is happening in specific states of the Niger Delta. We're going to be talking about two states in particular and the first and short one is what the governor Nyexom Wike said recently he said that in January of 2023 he is going to announce who his preferred candidate for the presidency is. Mr. Akatuba, you are still there and let's just take an assessment of what Governor Nyexom Wike said he is PDP we shouldn't be asking him who is going to support but he is saying that he is going to announce who is going to support which may not be a PDP presidential candidate what's your take on that announcement? Well Wike has been very active in his politics in the twilight of his regime he has been very forceful you know when a man has never lost election and Wike lost the first election he has not been able to acclimatize with Nuzi so this is first one of the things Wike is suffering from within this political party they skinned him out so he couldn't believe it and he also thought that the governor of the Niger Delta some of them betrayed him and betrayed the common understanding that the presidency should come to this out especially the governor of my state Okowa who was the host of one of those meetings where this resolution was reached among them who understanding this accepted the position of vice president to give credibility to the ticket the offending ticket which is Atiku and Wike since that time has been relentless in consolidating within the river state and therefore damaging the chances of the PDP in the Niger Delta because with that revelation that he made what he sought to do was to damage the influence, the credibility of the governors, the PDP governors which are more in the Niger Delta so this latest announcement is only to let you know that is coming to let us know that it was not going to work for Atiku because if Wike goes for Atiku it damages his own credibility because he has said too much against another president taking over another president from President Buhari so his argument is surely going to tell us someone else and that person I do not know but I believe it will not be Atiku because if it goes for Atiku it means whatever he has been fighting for has only been a selfish agenda instead of what he promoted and not what he actually promoted to the people to gain their support and their followers so he has already announced that we wait to see what political card that Wike is playing now because this is called the last card already here it is going to tell us where the presidency is interest is in the presidential election he already told the people that PDP should win reverse that is where the PDP people are telling me that how will the people go to the polling booth and voting all others and therefore be able to identify the presidency and make another choice that they are likely to vote the same party in all the choices they are going to make for House of Red, for Senate and the presidency because all the ballot papers are likely to be given to you at the same time so the PDP are hoping against hope that Wike's gospel or Wike's message will not will not go that far to halt their chances so let's wait for Wike to tell us who he thinks his people vote for, don't forget the state has a PDP structure so a lot of them might not follow him but only he will get to know that when the results are out apart from the fact that this gives other parties some kind of leverage, some kind of advantage because if there is infighting in a party that is at the hem of affairs, other people will stand to gain is this good for our democracy because it might encourage other people in other parties to start doing the same things when they are hurt in fact we saw that in 2015 or 2014 so is it good for the democracy or is there too many strong men and when you have too many strong men in political parties like we have it's not good for you Wike Mr. Akatuba we could hear you but I don't know what is happening on your end as soon as you are able to reconnect we are going to bring you back on gentlemen and ladies we have been talking about the Niger Delta and its politics is majorly between APC and PDP the Niger Delta is made up of states that are majorly PDP and until recently Cross River State was a PDP state now the governor of Cross River State moved over to the APC and made the state automatically an APC state but predominantly is PDP but now we also have a sitting deputy senate president in the person of Omoa Gige who is also standing for an election in Delta State but right now we are just talking about what Wike said and the question to Mr. Akatuba who Lent has just rejoined us is that is this a good thing for democracy or is it a bad thing we have seen it in 2014 now we are seeing it again briefly Mr. Akatuba yes I said it is neither good nor bad it is politics part of the interest in politics you contest for power and you use all the capacity and all the resources available and the advantages that you have to win power and so Wike who had thought that the entire scenario favored him and he has not been able to understand or learn how to adapt to losses because it is not very good he has not lost election in the past so being the first time we must understand why he is fighting the way he is fighting but whether it is good for democracy or bad for democracy what I can assure you it brings excitement to the politics it brings excitement to the game and that is what makes people get excited to follow it because if it is a docile campaign if it is something without intrigues I can assure you many of the citizens is just like a boxing match the boxers will have to excite the followers by saying that they will beat they will be the one that the game will not be more than one minute the one that even talks the most becomes a loser at the end of the fight so you must excite your followers so Wike is doing well fighting and creating the kind of excitement just like you asked some people will go into the polly boots to distance themselves from the PDP some people will do that they will choose among the other parties for the sanity of their own mind because to them what manner of party is this that cannot put his house in order a lot of people will lose a chunk of votes in that area because of that concentration there will be some minus like I said, I like the part of the excitement it's really good and it beats me how way politicians get the kind of confidence that they exhibit some of them let me not even go into that but we have another interesting thing happening in Delta State the excitement you mentioned I think that drama will be in Delta State Delta State is a PDP state and it has the deputy senate president there and it also has the deputy let me use deputy now because we are using deputies presidential candidate for the PDP there the two biggest parties at the moment in Nigeria how are the chances of APC taking over Delta State in 2023 knowing how powerful these two men who are contesting on different platforms and different capacities how is it possible or what are the chances of especially APC taking over the reins in Delta State in 2023 thank you very much the PDP has governed that state for 24 years obviously and have repeatedly been have repeatedly been pronounced as winners of election the generality of deltas are fed up with the PDP if it were to be in the past where the electoral regulatory framework you know gives room for my practices and manipulation the PDP would have won the election right now would have told you that it's still the PDP but with the new electoral regulatory framework and the fact that the actual vote of the people who can't and who showed up for the election and got accredited is within that ambit that this election will be decided it will be a major wonder if the PDP wins the election the reason is that the PDP has failed the people in a very wicked way you know you can fail with a godly mind you can fail with by genuinely failing after you made the effort and it did not work failed the people failed the people by making them malnourishing them with enlightenment they are enlightenmently malnourished by the PDP many years of backward governance backward means a deliberate we are talking now many state governors are ending their regime with inauguration of projects that they have been investing on but my state where I come from there's nothing to inaugurate the presidential candidate of the vice presidential candidate of the PDP is a liability to the PDP because deltas are so unhappy with him that they will ensure he does not get there because one he is regarded as a betrayer of the common interest of the south of Nigeria to have teamed up with an offending ticket of article who want to take over for another full army who want to take over from another now if the PDP is disliked will they vote for Omar Gege because they disliked they disliked the PDP that is automatic because among all the candidates, Omar Gege is the most visible, the most qualified and experienced politician in the mist the candidate of the PDP a liability is inexperienced another local champion who is unexposed in fact his background is so poor that within the PDP they have got to call to say that he's not qualified they have pick holes in his credentials and in fact when he speaks to you you will see that even if it should have been better I don't criticize people for lack of speaking good English because that's not our mother tongue even if he speaks in our mother tongue it does not exhibit any wisdom knowledge that's how bad a state is someone of such low IQ low IQ quotient became the speaker of the state you can imagine the quality of laws that were made in the House of Assembly to the extent that monies were brought in from the federal government and this same man who is now going to be governor connive with the governor to use the money to fund a ticket campaign so for that there's a liability on the PDP Omar Gage is going to benefit from that because of a lot of things that are visible that he has influenced the NDDC instead of using the money the contract for his own benefit every community within the central has a proof of NDDC I would have taken photographs and shared with you of what I saw in my state 10 days ago while I was in the state NDDC projects in that town influenced by Omar Gage so that is that for the presidency the Niger Delta people have been so deceived by PDP's propaganda to driving so much hatred for President Buhari by extension to the APC so the APC is actually hated by the people and for which reason they will tell you full anization islamization these are the agenda this is just the PDP's way of to hold it in bondage the people of the Niger Delta they demonize the North they tell the North that all the oil block are owned by the Northerners all the oil block have oppressed you they deceive them with these repetitions and so they hold APC in odious in negative light now this is what Omar Gage will struggle with which we have already started overcoming because of these revelations and when you come out of that the presidency has made some inroad again because of his strides there and so it seems to be everywhere you go in terms of the governorship but we come out to re-voting time within the next one month a lot of the dynamics we change and I see APC doing well even the presidency because what I see there right now is that the people are just misinformed and since we don't have enough media to recalibrate their mind it becomes a door-to-door campaign speaking to groups and people so that the world of mountain information will go wide in the Delta whenever we hear that someone has experience in politics in Nigeria it means by extension that that person has once upon a time been a member of the ruling class which is PDP the ruling party that was there for the 24 years that you're talking about which means Omar Gage has a PDP foundation if I'm not mistaken so how exactly is he going to be fresh air to the people of Delta state Omar Gage is not fresh he was in the PDP so he understood the PDP he understood the modus operandi of the PDP to under develop the state so he has been finding ways to obtain that party he has contested them in several contests and in each time the PDP will return maximum vote for themselves if you don't know it in the past PDP will pay their own agent and pay the agent of the other parties and make sure that they all collaborate with them to ensure that the maximum number of registered voters in an area is declared for them and the most minimum is given to the nearest party that has been the election elections have been written in majority of the places in Delta and when you go to court they have the resources to ensure that the judiciary is bought so Omar Gage is actually relying on the new electoral regulatory framework because with that the actual votes will count and the real choice of the Delta will for the first time be very will be clear they will know that PDP has long lost his position as the state party as the party loved by the people they will know in this election so I have confidence and I have learned my spot check I have gone round from all the lot of the places to do spot analysis of people's opinion I know that the PDP for any reason must be changed first for underdeveloping the state two, for stealing their monies and with the latest regulation as the closest evidence and finally there is need for a change so that a fresh group of governance fresh level of governance a civilized governance will be in the state for the first time in their history I was just wondering what he was going to be telling them because they might ask him the question when they were rigging, when PDP was rigging results were being written you were there maybe you were taking decisions as well and now you say you are a changed man or what because if the PDP destroyed Delta State it means that Amua Gege at that time was also a part of this destruction and I do not know the gospel he will be preaching right now that's why I was asking you that question maybe there are things that you want to point to specifically Amua Gege is a politician if you can't come it's like Nigeria, is there any politician in this country, just a few who did not start politics with PDP as one of the major political parties in the Delta today you can't be anything if you do not have anything to do with government if you do not carry a card of the party they force you, they tell you it's one of the things you must do and so Amua Gege over the years have been trying to win himself away and you can see and Delta for the first time especially of the robo extract got the highest political office in the land moving away from the PDP, the PDP could not deliver us to the center at that kind of level of participation in national politics they have continually done things in a way that they think that place they occupy is the beginning and the end of life and therefore all the people have to be kept so low so that all most intellectuals of the state are not in this state because they simply cannot find where to interact with governance so Amua Gege came out of it and since that time look at what he has done with his office as deputy senior president whatever he has done within his capacity is highly commendable especially Delta Central and even those out of the Delta Central what were the other his first project and spend his resources to assure the other one was in the community they told me some transformers they are stable electricity because of Amua Gege give transformers supply them a lot of transformers that the electricity distribution companies could not meet so there is so much I understand what you mean even in any revolution it is only those within the system that become the revolutionary leaders so it's not a matter to say because he was there he simply cannot see the light and say that no we must not go in this direction it's among the cities of a state that maybe in Nigeria it's still from Nigerians that revolution will come from the change we are looking for within us we will get them from aliens okay let me turn you to a teacher now as we wrap up the name that we've been calling I've heard it behind the scenes but let it be some form of education what's the real pronunciation of this man that we're talking about is it Amua Gege? OV the word OV is king no no I'm not even concerned about the OV I'm concerned about whether it is Amua Gege like a Gege boy or it's pronounced Amua Gege it's Amua Gege same like that because I've heard people say Amua Gege and all that it's alright now we have learned that we've always been right because some people said that that was not the correct pronunciation so today I had a Delta man so why not just ask him on live television so that people get to know it always seems to be such a Delta name that Amua Gege is not a Delta name it's certainly a derivation of important name interesting okay that's some learning we've done now anyway thank you so much Mr. Akatuba for coming on the show it's been very enlightening talking with you today thank you for being a part of it thank you for the opportunity Merry Christmas to you okay we've been talking with Mr. Theofilos Akatuba he's a media consultant and a public affairs commentator we've been talking about the politics in the Niger Delta region and since you need to go for shopping today I know that we have to end early it's been lovely being with you all this while this is not the last time we're coming on the run-up next week we will return again now it's time to say goodbye on the show and then take the news and every other thing we'll follow my name is Nyam Gul Ak Gege Merry Christmas to you