 started there's like it's about three o'clock so call me in the order. Yes Alison Gould here calm duster here Scott Holway here Roger Lang here Ken Houston here West Library is not here Kevin Bowden here Jason Elkins here Hope Bartlett here and the entire is here Council Member Martin is not here yet. We'll do that before. All right great we'll be starting approval of previous month's meeting any questions or comments on previous month's meeting? Not Sarah, I'm looking to approve. I would approve. Second. I'll second. All in favor say aye. I didn't vote right here because I wasn't here so I can't say that I actually reflect the new meeting. We don't say anything, everything stops here. Oh you got three people, you guys can do that. You had a motion? Kevin I guess you're doing the large data report. Yeah I'll do that. The flow on the same range was 14 CFS and with a historic average this time we're at 40 CFS. The column in the state lane three is the Sweck and Turner which is in 1864. Wow man. The column in the east end of the south part of it was north sterling and with priority data generally for a fifth of 1922. Robb Rice is full with elevation of 6400.1 and Union Reservoir is currently at 26.7 feet or a lot of 1793 acre feet which is down approximately at Boston. The same very great base in storage is at 76% not too bad in terms of base in storage. Any comments? Is there anybody who has a water right earlier in 1864? Several. Yeah there are two of them, not many. Good luck. They only have two more weeks to run the rec flow water anyhow. Sports season? Yeah. Does it usually have that idea? It's a pretty small flow. Yeah 14 CFS is like that. I don't know why. You don't see a hit this water in Turner often. Usually it's top turn along this flow. I'm almost there. Hi. It's rare to be that. Sweat. I hear it. Usually people kind of ditches or drop it off and back in. Wow. Okay, thanks Gail. I assume there's no problems with that to be heard. Any revisions to the agenda or submission of documents? All right. Development activity. As I look through that there is none required. Any comments you can about that? Oh, no. Okay. All right. I'm not a general business legislator. Got any water principles? Staff will ask Water Board for regarding the existing principles. You cannot assume you're not a leader. Yeah, I'll go ahead and do that. Yes. Every year. A little nervous. Legislative session. To be honest, pretty quick. So every October, we bring the guiding water principles for legislative principles to Water Board. Essentially, we send what's Water Board to prove these. We send these up as a recommendation to council. It basically is our kind of our guide to review what review legislative principles. We're going to do that. We're going to review what review legislative bills that might impact water utilizing these principles. So last year we added very last principle for municipal water for the United States sharing multiple sources of rural water. So encouraging state support for finding these waters. Other than that, they're pretty similar to what we've proved in the past. So staff doesn't have any requested revisions or Water Board gives any input. If you have any, we'll follow these on up. And they go up to council and then council approves. And these are about the same. Roger, I had thought on the first bullet point. You want to support water policies to protect our water resources. I don't think I saw and hear anything that was related to fire policy. And it's not interrelated. So much of our grant dollars are going to work with forest policy to make sure that water quality is not impaired by forest degradation and fires and all that. So I thought instead of saying support water policies to protect our water resources because, you know, fire policy isn't water, but it is absolutely important. And there's a lot of federal dollars and state dollars being directed to work on fire sheds to keep the water coming through. So just an observation. I think there's going to be a lot of fire activity and a lot of fire policy activity in the legislature this year, including I believe a burn policy that's got some momentum, which has an effect on water as well. So that's my two cents. Maybe it's a critical bit. The last item that Kim pointed out, does that touch anything that you're interested in? I may not hit the point you're driving at, but... No, maybe it does. I don't know. I don't have a problem with the change, but I just want to... I don't have an opinion, Roger, frankly. I just... that jumped out at me because of course we would support any policy that protects Colorado of water resources. It doesn't necessarily have to be modified by water policies, because there's policies outside of that that are helpful. That was my take on that. But you're correct that it probably could be subsumed in that last bullet point as well. I think even if it is, it doesn't necessarily matter that the first bullet point also could be revised even if the last bullet point does include it. So, Scott, your suggestion is we agreed to change the read on that first bullet point. Correct. To remove the first reference to the word water in that bullet point. And I don't feel supremely strongly about it. It just jumped out at me because most of my water life right now is stuck with the fire policy. And trying to direct grant dollars to fire funding or just all a lot of water. It's going to be a little broader direction. Any other comments? How does the bullet change? In addition, I think the fourth bullet point I would suggest that we turn off the number of days. Okay. Good bullet point. I would suggest we consider adding environmental to the list of agricultural legislation. Why don't we take the first one to start with and then we'll just hop down here. Scott, do you have any emotions? I can make that emotion. I would move that in the first bullet point of the proposed 2023 the city of water principles. We remove the first reference to water and otherwise leave it exactly the same. Second to that? I would second that. Say hi. Hi. Let's go down to yours, Alison. I would just repeat what you said. I would move to Adler environment to the fifth bullet point online for recreation. Any comments on that also suggestion? I would second if I was trying to figure out that you should be environmental instead of environment. Yeah. I was playing with that in my mind. Apologies, Alison. Maybe the environment. I'm in support, of course. However, I do note that maybe it's more specific in that seventh bullet point where it talks about the protection of aquatic marine areas. And I don't know exactly. I suppose environmental could be broader and encapsulate more things than just that. I suppose my mind would have to wonder about the environment when I hear the word environment about water resources. Specifically, the reason I suggested to put that particular bullet point is because it involves coordination which is the aspect of AIS so far. It would be a relax. Okay. I second it. Yeah, I second that most of what I said. All in favor. A.I. Bye. Environmental? I think the environment. I'll let you have it. I'm not going to have words for this one. We support appropriate coordination and municipal water use with agriculture, recreation, environmental, and open spaces. I think environmental. Yeah. Okay. Any other suggestions for adjustment or revisions? I don't have a third suggestion but I did have a question about the one, two, three, four, five, six bullet points on the second page. The final sentence specifically refers to the transfer of water from the water to the water needs of the Denver metro area is a significant concern for the moment. I just wanted to find out if there was something that was in your mind or something like that. Yes. There is not a specific project in mind. It's generally the concept of there's a lot of water going from northern Colorado to the metro area. You know, we first got hit with the Thornton project. Then United Water actually filed on the St. Grand Creek. They have filed on the St. Grand Creek and pulled for a pipeline on St. Grand Creek for 66 crosses and exchanged it up. And a lot of talk over the last five to ten years about water and the lower reaches of the St. Grand Creek. Moving water up to the metro area even as much as they've talked about a pipeline down south. A couple of entities have bought a couple ditches up around the Wiggins or downstream creek and then on top of that we have a real concern about the CBT water because it's not fully consumable we have to let it go. Anybody uses it so that's going down and that has to stay in the northern district. So northern water is working on a lot of county visitors to make sure that it works out. So it's just just a general concern of water. Yes. Alison, sorry I was late. It might help to clarify this is that what these principals are going to drive is what the assistant city manager in charge of the water's legislative oversight brings forward to the council to choose to endorse or write to the legislator or send people to testify on. So it doesn't necessarily need to be a position one later the other it's just as this is of interest to long life. My comment I was wondering about the same thing. Does it carry much weight? I mean maybe you can help me. How did the Thorton thing ever actually take place? Which I am surprised they were able to reach that far north and a lot of battle. Well they still haven't got the water yet. I understand that. But how did it is it easy for a Denver community to hop all over the place and grab water or not? Maybe. Not real easy no. Thorton has been working for quite a while on theirs. One of the biggest hurdles is whether or not involved CBT water return flows and all that it does happen and can happen I think what the original intent behind this line was a concern that might be the bill someday in the state legislature that makes it easier. Who knows what it could be. Examples are different bills that come each year seem like we not sure. Every now and then we have a bill that changes water loss slightly used to be not legal to for ring girls. Now it is. Used to be not legal to store water out of priority in a pit but now if you call it a fire fire fire protection fire protection pit, quarry, pond it is now legal to take it out of priority. There is always a concern that every one of these bills are really good ideas on their face but they chip away a little bit of water and you just never know what the next bill will be. If it impacts or makes it easier to water you realize a little bit like the whistle things that he saw. They got water well if they did not get the whistle then they are going to come up here and let it come back. So there is a real concern. That is what that is about is to be vigilant about bills and what impact they might have on the water it is a real concern to dry it up. Part of the concern is that you drive the agricultural fields up here and you take that water down the dam and it will appear that the water is not there. You just transfer the water shortage from very up to here. Does that help your thought process also are you looking to change something or just for an explanation? That explanation was what I was thinking about but Marcia's comment helped to kind of fully flesh that out. Would it say there is a bill or a project or something that advocated that particular sentence would that individual come back before the water board, before they took a position in the legislature? What happens is that as far as this board is concerned and the staff as well as Sandy uses a tool that shows her all of the bills that are coming up in sequence and she reads them against guidelines like these and decides whether or not to pester us for comments about it or not. If our guidelines appear to rule out we're not interested in fire stuff for example then she wouldn't send it to the water board, she wouldn't send it to the water staff but it's a question of what you think you're going to want to comment on it's been I think I've ever actually the invasive species one got quite a bit of attention not just from us but from I think for Collins that has a problem with muscles and horse tooth or anticipates a problem with muscles and the legislature does pay attention to that when organizations like us or CML or somebody weighs in on a particular bill then it tends to raise the profile and get people thinking about it more and functionally how it happens is Sandy kind of looks at every bill and then she finds one conflicts with something here she will send out to the staff of the AISIs of the legislation during the legislative session we do come back to the water bill we really want to look at we really want to take position on with the exception that I'll say when we have time you know in January you have time there's 300 bills introduced and it takes two or three months to get through later in the session you might have a week and it's right at the end of the session everybody kind of jam stuff in and it's like if the city wants to take any sometimes it's hard to get it even to council sometimes we'll have to here's our position and then we look at this and this is kind of water boards direction to us I'll respond to a particular and then we send that information to council you know or not so not every bill it makes it back to water board and we'll hear a lot of this the last couple of years there have been there's always some water bills but there hasn't been any really big this started in 2002 during the drought there must have been 50 bills that year some of them wilder than others and then it really started working pretty hard with the you know with the color of river concerns and the federal level it could happen again especially in color I was extended there's been a sweet summer for us but not for everybody in the state and the legislature wouldn't surprise me someday they'll take a position on the color of river we've all kind of danced around that how are we really going to administer this you know I wouldn't say prior appropriation but who knows how you know who knows how that will go I just have a quick historical question so the guiding principles started in 2002 or something like that at that time was the guiding principles like four bullets long, six bullets long and then it just kind of continually as things come up and you start to say well I think we need to actually address that in the principles or what's here represents the initial stance and maybe something we've got people on the way but for the most part we don't have a comprehensive we've tweaked it but I would say probably 90% of what's here you've had that for quite a while it seems like something that could drift over time like a new bill comes up and you're like well we don't have anything in the principles about that so we better add one and then all of a sudden it's like 20 long and it started out as like six or something they're really our guiding law of principles that were water all of our master plan water were actually developmental and developing those guiding law of principles 2002 or 2030 so I credit a lot for that effort yeah I would say pretty similar it served us well other comments I had one third on the second page water policy for transferring historical water and land, green annex to the city I guess my question is and I just don't know it talks about should be encouraged to be completed through leases how often do we get into leases with water my assumption would be it's bought or not bought that is correct actually we don't have any we haven't done these we have a really almost unwritten policy we won't go back and take the water off even if they want to start I actually probably more than once I've had somebody call up and say I'm carrying from farming I want to sell my water the land the land and water that's appropriate but it comes as a package yeah we we try not to and really have extremely small weird circumstances we'll get here and there but the most part we don't go out and get any water so either by lease any cans or anything that's not how we do water anything else Ken? I have this thank you for your help alright let's move on to item 9 9A and hope you are I don't have much of an update from last month just going over our contacts for next year with Resource Central and Efficiency Works but everything's going well and just if you guys have any questions I would like to just say I'm deeply grateful for what Hope has done so far this year and she's been great about getting our program up to the next time I would like to say this from direct experience now that Resource Central runs a terrific program they actually I had some I subscribed to two other programs and they follow up I asked if you needed any help it's just a great job we should all know that good to hear because from our end it's so helpful us getting our program going forward I'd like to hear from the customer side it works too that's good and my neighbors like it yeah that's it, won't? yep I appreciate it yes nobody has a complaint against Hope very good work thank you okay can you talk about one of the gaps sure there's a little bit of data here so I wanted to do it in the form of a PowerPoint for you so the work on the reservoir is continuing this is a shot of the centerline of the dam with a concrete plant which is the connection between the ground and the dam itself as you can see they're starting to get to the steep part but I don't know if I'm concrete up there but the foundation itself is about 88% complete and done in terms of having it fully prepped and ready for the plinth the plinth itself is 68% done there's a couple sections on the upper ends that are done they can't pour a little continuous so we'll pour a section and a pour a section but there's about 2,000 feet of it done and the bulk of it is down here at the bottom of the dam that's critically important because this is where of course when you start building the dam you start at the very bottom section as you go up it gets bigger and bigger so this is the critical part if you look here it's a little hard to see but you can see some of the embankment especially on the downstream side and we saw a little bit of that one where out there on our tour you can see a little bit but some of the embankment on each side is starting up because good news is today they're going to start which is going to be right where that excavator is and they'll place a hydraulic asphalt and then there's a sand mix on each side and it holds the hydraulic asphalt together and then you start building so you can see where they left it out the hydraulic asphalt is going to go a lot faster than the dam so they're trying to get a little ahead of it and so it'll come up pretty quick and then they'll have a biggest challenge keeping the embankment going up on each side of it because you generally want to work a dam all your zones this will be the same level so they'll work down here and this will start coming up and they'll try to keep the rock filling everything on each side of it going up about the same so yeah to be honest I probably wouldn't be here today we didn't have a lot of work figured out some way to go up and take a peek of that that's okay the outlet tunnel I don't have a good picture of it it's about 2,000 feet long on the outlet tunnel it's 24% complete through the end of August 575 feet of it is done so into about the valve chamber which is about the centerline of the dam in a few weeks so that's going well then they'll start on the uphill side and start digging until they get back into the valve chamber the outlet tunnel is going one of the things I wanted to probably an interesting at least to be this is the dam itself this is an earlier picture it's right here but if you look right up here this is a penstock that comes from a flat iron or pinewood reservoir down to a flat iron reservoir in the power plant right here is what's called this is pole hill so this is called the pole hill tunnel there's a tunnel that goes through the mountain there and comes out the bottom of pinewood reservoir and actually under the water this is where the project will tie into water supply and there will be a pipe down here to the reservoir so it will be filled by a pipe down to here and then the outlet tunnel is down here which will connect to the power plant that flat irons so then that outlet it's called the pole hill tunnel that is underway and started so you can see the reservoir on the back down here in the valley this is the gate chamber where you'll control the flow of water it'll either come out here's the start of the pole hill tunnel just immediately below that the water will either go on down the pan stock to the power plant or come this way into the gate chamber and then there's a pipeline that already started putting the pipe down to the reservoir but that's the most critical part because you have to shut the whole CBT system down to do this work so they're no critical to get it down that's the actual why it will be put into it as you can kind of get scale when you look at the truck that's just one fitting that big the truck couldn't get it up there they had to use a dozer and the next one pushed the truck down that's one big piece of scale but the good news is it's in that was that quick that's good they just cut that pipe that we saw and put it in and they'll pour concrete all the way around it to completely encase it that's why I had to show it on the truck because it here doesn't look as big although if you look at that guys are standing there since big but that was a real critical part of getting this they'll just tie it in from here you saw that other picture they'll just tie it in that far as all they need to do and then the valve is already in that valve chamber so you'll then be able to turn the CVT system back on and not have water going on down which you don't want for a couple of years so if you go back one image yeah so the water so the reservoir gets filled from the west side of the reservoir here's the top end of the reservoir here's the bridge over the pit circle though and there's a road now there all the way over to here and then the pipeline will come down here and come down to the reservoir over here and so will there be how deep into the reservoir does the pipeline go since then that I do not know to be real honest I guess I thought when we were out there and I probably overheard the conversation that was already halfway done and I didn't catch the the whole gist of it I guess I thought that that further down the stream on the penstock that they were able to that essentially they were backfilling the water up through what was going to be the outlet or is there some aspect of something there's one aspect part of the build they'll tie in the outlet to the Carter Lake pipeline pipeline going to Carter Lake so if Chimney Hall is completely full you'll be able to gravity feed Carter if it's lower but that's not about filling the reservoir that was so like I said I listen to I'll have to double check I can't remember if that pipe goes to the outlet and then in that way it might be I'll check them there but physically the water will come out perfectly and then you know back on that one you just had shows to outlets back up this well I thought this was a separate pipeline this is just surrounding this pipe yes this is this is actually a bulkhead going into the pipe so this is the first pipe out of the pipe which they just basically cut this much of the pipe out which is what we saw so from the construction standpoint good news one thing I did need to kind of give the board a heads up to find this out at our last meeting is the estimates on construction costs so far so now this is the construction budget some designs so the original contract amount was $485 million there's already been a change order issue for $26 million for construction delay so because of the federal lawsuit weren't able to get going and had made a contractor if you want to think of it as interest for cost of construction went out $26 million so that's a change order that was approved and executed at the start of the construction so the revised contract today is $511 million $106 million earned today so 20% of the project already done build I think all of that part is really good this is a summary of what we are currently so the litigation of the delays essentially ended up with $22 million there were some in design there were additional additional drilling there was a few things that happened during the design which is not uncommon at all the owner requested change orders value engineering credit scope and existing conditions is primarily with the foundation they found the foundation much more variable when they were opening it up so that did end up with some so so less the litigation utilizes about $3.9 million to date in actual field change orders foundation all those kind of things so that's where the $26 million just looked at then because that is a very big number northern water so we got to see where we are budget wise for the entire project so given the terms we have so they're looking at some foundation changes and that's they're estimated about $10 million for all foundation issues and all some plant quantities and basically everything to get the damn building up then the second thing they found in the testing is that the rock fill embankment is much higher density than it was estimated so that's going to be the other large change order about $10 million and then they did a comprehensive review of everything else on the project and they feel it could be somewhere around $5 million so I guess the caution I have is that in the original project we did an original cost estimate there was a contingency of $50 million means right now we're projected to be about there so as long as there's no new surprises and of course once you have the foundation essentially done that's what most of any surprises come in construction although I don't know concrete cement for concrete is going to get more expensive here I'm a little concerned about that but didn't they say that the engineering company did a bunch of future buys to control the costs for our construction did a futures buy on all their fuel so their fuel is set for the life of the project presumably they're not a business because they probably got a really good deal but they didn't do that for the cement I don't know that I don't know that they did because the cement is a smaller part of this project since it's a rock bill there's a significant amount of cement in the tower $5,000 so the cement is going to that's the only little other thing that really concerns me right now but I guess the sharp story is it looks like we're fine we're still with the budget so they're not we have plenty plenty of space right now in the contingency but it is projected we'll come close to utilizing the contingency by the time the project is done and as long as there's no other big major surprises along the way we should still be okay but just wanted to be up front with all the participants and everybody that that's kind of where the status is right now so I'm trying to start with the positive the scary part at the end but I think we're still on on track the project's going well now the water bag, we prefer it snowed but the weather's been great for the project this fall it's really really good if in fact you do get into some financial issues unforeseen now down the road how how do you how do you go about addressing those issues all the members are impacted on how big a share they've got in it exactly, each member they would come back and they would look at that cost their proportion to share and as far as change you talk the equivalent to rate increases is that what you're talking about? I wouldn't I wouldn't I can't that'll be a council decision in the future right now most of our capacity we had originally been in the project with a little higher rate higher level part of our participation was for development part of it was for the existing system we kind of scaled back on the existing system it's entirely possible we take the bulk of that and we can cost increase not over cash I would be surprised to see a lot of the money come from increase but that's good to do it'll be a future council decision nice to have raised the cash in lieu then they did it's nice that we did that I see, yes, you're right it gives us even more to share right now we're doing well on our current cash and money in our opposition we have other experiences we use it for my acquisition around union we have we have we don't have we don't have I'm going to use it all up yeah, so there certainly would be some of it there that's what I would basically good news actually I think so, yeah, no, I think it's all going well I think it's great to have the public moving forward now any other questions for Ken? I have two questions first is the quality of the director's question which is what we don't use all that up is it only like the change order is once you commit to the change order you have to, that's it when we leave out the door or is it like you actually just send it and then you get it back or like if per chance we don't have that many change orders then right now it's in a it's in a fund up at Northern Water, we have to pay all of our money it's in a fund up at Northern Water and once a month they pull money out of everybody's fund one huge fund is the bond some of the participants went together and got pooled bonds but it's still just accounts because they need it at the end of the project then all the participants if there's anything left over in each account technically that would come back to each entity so long one has an account with our money we send 55 million up there's 40 million if there's any left over we would get that back if we go out a few million the participant will most likely want to put it in a reserve account for operation and maintenance of the system that's not uncommon at all but if it's very much money at all we would come back because they won't draft and there's a lot of interest well sort of a lot of interest at the start it was like 1% there's no big interest on that big amount so that's building up too it's basically an account in our name and that's our money to either roll into an operation maintenance account their projection is we're going to be pretty close the second question is the litigation the delays was 22 million did that include the 20 gap settlement 15 million no 15 million is separate and that's coming out of future assessments for the partner so how did it get to 22 million for litigation is that just a contract with the contractor just keep them on the hook on that yes that was the so the contractor when they to get a contractor on board and it was lucky we did because it set some prices like fuel and valves and a number of things the 411 million dollar contract went out the contractor had the contract and then as months went on as interest and the cost doing the project went up then the contractor was able to document what their increased costs were and it sounds like a lot but it was a two and a half year delay 400 million dollar project so you're talking two or three percent a year so it's just a patient it's basically yeah luckily we bought the big valves and they were manufactured otherwise it would still be made known and the fuel and so that the contractor bought the futures on the fuel yeah but it's essentially it was two and a half years of production thank you anybody else cool Jason yeah I got a quick update on two projects so the south saint crane pipeline pump station that's the one we've been talking about where we're going to be diverting water out of the south saint crane creek through our pipeline into a wet well pumping into the north line we actually made our first water delivery last week so we were doing startup for the pump but in order to do that we had to deliver water to the plants so we delivered about a million gallons of water over three days so it's our first delivery and 18 years I don't know if I'm doing math fair 2005 or 2006 something like that so yeah it actually made deliveries and so interestingly when we're pumping into the north line so the north line is being fed from the north pond so it has water in it about halfway down the north pipeline is where the pump station is at so we actually end up doing about a 50-50 split once the water reaches Nelson Flanders so about half the water in the north pipe when we're pumping is coming from the south pipeline and the other half is coming from the north so it's it's kind of working as designed we're running through some startup issues here and there but we're hoping as in any project we try to get through those but so far everything is going really good and no major hiccups and stuff like that and then the the other project we want to give you an update on was the button rock outlet repairs we've had the outlet down for about a better part of a month and so a couple years ago we we rehabilitated the regulating gate and the hydraulics we ripped the gate out sent it down to Denver had them touch it up and make all the repairs and stuff well the one thing we did get to do during that was replace the bronze seat that the gate shuts down on and seals against and so we were finally at a point where we were able to actually rip out that old bronze seat and put in a new one and do some field machining and everything and get it within you're trying to weld and machine something out in the middle of the field open the middle of mountains and you're splitting really splitting hairs trying to get it down to you know within a couple thousandths of an inch flatness and everything so it took a little bit longer than necessary having said that we did a pressure test we filled the pipe up shut the gate fill the pipe up and it's very well well within tolerance and stuff so we're looking really good so right now we're literally waiting for the paint to dry we put a special balzona coating on it it's friction reducer we're getting from cavitating and from erosion so it takes five days and we'll be able to fill the pipe up and start making releases it's sort of amazing to be up there and not see coming out of the pipe it's almost surreal it's different why is it so quiet up here the guys up there were doing the work and gotten really good at answering the public's questions yeah we get about anywhere from 20 to 30 people a day saying the same thing I've never seen it without water what do you do at first I had to back and I just waited until I didn't say it it wasn't shocking but it was shocking well then I get a few emails and stuff just saying hey water's off what's going on there's nothing happening but they don't see as the guys are in the inlet working and if you don't hear a grinder or something going off you don't know that they're in there it just looks like nothing's working so I get a couple of emails you explain it to them and everybody's all thumbs up how long has that been down it's been down we started early September six weeks yeah and so getting that seed perfectly level we got it in there we didn't like the measurements ended up grinding out some of the welds reinstalling stuff I mean it's a couple of snags but everything's going good especially considering everything's going to spill away anyway and we took some extra measures to make sure we're not killing the fish and everything like that so that completes the innovation thing the work that you wanted to get done and then at the same time the state has asked us to come up there and calibrate our flow meter that we got on there so we're actually going to add we're going to add another channel so we're going to put another magnimeter on there so we've got basically two sensors we'll double it and have four so I'm not an instrumentation that my understanding they'll get a more accurate reading and the state wants to start using that as their primary source devices versus the lower gauging stations so so what's next congratulations are on over of course I always want to caveat and then what's next for about rock anything else that has to be done up there anytime soon there's a lot of things that need to happen up there but as for the dam from a dam safety perspective I mean we're going to keep doing our annual inspections and reports and stuff like that every five years we have to do the outlet inspection so what we've done now we drain the pipe and go in there and we'll keep an eye on that the upper emergency gate the one that's currently closed we'll keep an eye on that one that one's probably due to be rehabilitated when we do that we're going to have to basically drain the pipe so Ken and I were just talking about this it's like we just say alright in five years we're going to do it whether if it needs it or not or do we want maybe do more frequent inspections of that gate and try to extend the life out of it so it's something we got to think about because it's going to be it's going to be a lot more costly to do that one I hope to do nothing up there to jump holes done I've got 8,000 acre feet it's full and we thought about doing that maybe closing off the gates and everything stop making releases and put a submersible down there a little submersible technology remote technology we need to put a person down there a 4k camera we've got to be submersible the tiger's down there I was just curious I was just thinking of the way you kind of walk in and you know so it's interesting the way that the system in total kind of operates especially that redundancy two independent water sources actually I'm sure about that it's just much more helpful right now when we don't do anything because there's that resource that is a primary source we have it in the budget we've identified that emergency gate repairs is in the budget so if it happens next year we'll do it right now there's really no cause for concern we expected it two years ago expected it during this one it's there's no legacy issues from the floods or anything that's still kind of hanging out there it's still there I think we're pretty good with in fact the pump station was the last flood we did as of a week ago Jason turning that on that's kind of like we officially got the flood down at least from raw waters storm drainage guys are still working hard public FUD about the flood issue from storm water exactly anybody wants to write on that or be a editor interesting isn't it working okay thanks Jason no problem hi Tim items from the board we're doing projects listing some of my schedule any comments anyway everybody look at the schedule it's proposed going forward I would point out that we after our conversation last month we added a section on the bottom of that just kind of outlining future topics that we're maybe interested in that as as time comes and we have shorter business meetings we might be able to buy some of these entities to come down and give us presentations actually I would enjoy it if there are more topics you know feel free to give us topics anytime I'm here and now we've got easier to buy as long as you'd be interested in hearing I just mentioned it from passing me board but I do think that what happened in most of us in December that there is some pre-legislative work being done on a burn on a burn bill and it's an interesting one because ditch companies historically need to clean their ditches with the water which are statutory obligated to do not clean by burning but it's always been the preferred method because it spells the cost of the fishing and it's been done for 150 years or 160 years but more and more jurisdictions are burning unless it's under exactly pristine conditions and some of us don't even count because housing developments are so close to the ditches in a burn so the options are pretty limited so I'm curious as to how if the city has any take on that because you guys maintain ditches as ditch company representatives through the city and this actually derives I think out of four columns that's where this bill idea came from and it's it's probably have some legs because there are some probably very nervous new municipalities from region municipalities and you can tell when they're the foothills and I still don't know whether that's on your radar can or not but there's a committee co-essing and meeting and I think most of the people are waiting on that and another bill who's likely to be many chairs on that but interesting time every two years and you have to change everything around yeah I know I'm glad you brought that up because there is a lot of background talk about that subject and then there's also the potential legislation there is a concern over the years it has to come out and burn ditches so legislature will help there I have number E here Watership Center including the St. Green Forest Health Partnership efforts right now for Boulder County that's where that whole conversation is happening is through the St. Green Forest Partnership efforts and it does involve originally that was the forested areas up in the foothills and just this year we had we were saying what are we going to do up down on the plains because that's an area we need to be preserving and one of the ideas coming out of that is doing more concerted efforts on burning ditches there was a concern that the ditches it's easy for the ditches to bring fire into the communities a little bit of debate about that happened in the Westfield and Superior the ditches did burn I think everybody says 75 miles on there wind and fire but for normal situations maybe that's helped so yeah that's that will be part of that St. Green Forest Health Partnership that's where hopefully they're talking about doing that yeah the ditches almost stop burning it's hard for a ditch to burn I think that's geographic a little bit I think there's some locations where sure stationally it's just hard to get a room permit or a room clearance and others are still not that difficult even in Boulder County a lot of these ditches call a Sheriff's Office to say we're burning Sheriff's Equal K there's not a prescribed plan in place there's no standing operating procedure so it's been a little bit um there hasn't been consistency in how that's applied and there are some ditches that go up to four or five different jurisdictions you can start in Boulder County, you can go to Welk County you can have three different municipalities along the way each one has a different set of circumstances and regulations I just raise it because I know there's not a lot of ditches but a lot of ditches go up through town and some of the ditches that you guys are on are even in town so if you bring out a ditch that just runs through town it's obvious that you can't have a room you can do a lot of mechanical but there's some places you can't get in with that kind of thing here and there's development on either side of it so there's maybe 10 feet width you know it just depends you're on skates that are going through I would do say our almost based division has last year they did one burn and we burned parts three and two and this week or next week we're planning a second series of burns the upper end of Springholst Number 2 from 17th Avenue up to Highway 66 and so and that's burns interior communities so that's a big effort but it will make it much safer we have had those are real cattails dominated areas and the cattails burned they sent them blocks long things so that effort's there being so yeah it's it's one of the toughest questions honestly I don't think there's an answer I'm just erasing it because it's going to come up and it hasn't gone legislatively a long time at least not on a state basis permission grand and burgling most of the time depends on who you talk to there are two niches that I know of in Boulder County that have to go through different procedures in the same jurisdiction it's just who knows who honestly one guy's been doing it with the Sheriff's Office for probably 30 years he's called us up and said here's what we're doing and the other ones have to go in and talk to them about how they're going to do it and what they're going to use I'm not making any observations well it's not going to get easier I'll guarantee you it shouldn't be an easy thing most ditch companies don't have the luxury of having excavators that they're back and call by their and the capital and the operating ledges from the ditch companies probably preclude them from going out and getting an excavator for playing out a section of ditch particularly since it's only gone out of ditch frankly most of it is not really what is the getting rid of the water and getting rid of the material there's no place to take it if you ever really go with it that's hard well and historically this company's been able to really exploit us on the bank that's part of what their historic practice is it's protected but a lot of excavators don't have to see a lot of weed debris sit around it it's part of that fire source fuel source if the fire hazard comes up quite hear a lot what Collins approach was from a police power perspective what the extent of the police power was to be able to dictate how the weed was so it's pretty interesting because there's some constitutional protections for this company operations too so I don't know where that ends up I'm just like it's how I'm observing the issues any other comments on projects I was just going to say thank you for translating the ambiguous discussion that we had last time into some real action items that everybody would be able to appreciate about yeah this is a really interesting one and I can't wait to hear about presentations on the lower issues and concerns I wasn't very if that role-racing that's a callback issue and one of the staff there's a really good presentation on that like the person down here who needs good presentations he's very very knowledgeable he just actually gave the presentation his self-plot landing last Tuesday so we'll see it there but it's a real presentation fit that in somewhere that's a big issue are you going to try and lock in dates for those topics? well we will sum up because if you don't get a lot of these speakers way ahead of time I'm going to say no I'm busy that day but we'll kind of look at our we have kind of months that are historically a little less January is usually pretty cold March is always cold maybe all this cold because May is usually a little more cold today is going to be a good day but there are other comments I was just going to ask about the next water board meeting actually two events there in November the first one that says tentative future events that's more the Colorado water conservation so is that that's something that obviously went on to the part of and so that's kind of a annual meeting or is that a that's a bi-annual meeting they have a fall water user meeting and a spring water user meeting they are I think really excellent because you get the presentations are informative but getting in the breaks actually talking I get a chance to talk to a water research manager from Fort Collins so where is that it will start with taking place up at the ranch at Larville County Fairground I-25 just work with it I-34 Embassy Suites I think I don't know if that's where they're having I think it's a different camp but I can't remember I think they were changing the ship for some reason okay and if you have I don't know information about that or something okay in fact if you haven't got one I'll send you one okay and then you can register that the water board meeting for next month is during the Thanksgiving I just was going to bring that up just to put it on everybody's radar screen yes because we need both of you or not sorry it's still at the Embassy Suites I thought for some reason I'd heard otherwise but I'm not until three on that Tuesday okay at the Embassy Suites it's actually not the Fairground I'm glad you brought that up because unless somebody kills us otherwise Fairground is gone for the Thanksgiving week but the next item I did want to talk about that on the water board applications so we do have two applications which is good for water board to Phil Todd's position because you don't remember we didn't get one last spring so the board had asked us to decided you wanted to interview as the board we had a board meeting so our plan will be on the 21st to have those two applicants here we can do it beforehand I think it might be nice to just have them listen to the board meeting and then interview them let's see if they step around or run up the door I'd rather go first Kevin we know we got it but we're still I think I'm still on the track with the board how do you want to do it next month we're getting here we're here two applicants one I think yes and then you'll make a recommendation to council and then can you refresh my memory Marge I think when the council gets a recommendation you still at least interview the public candidate we will interview the top candidate top two candidates whatever but we don't have to interview everybody so you guys are essentially picking the we only have one open seat so you could theoretically send us only one person and then we would interview that person and there would be a low probability that we would reject your choice but it's a matter of if we were in a circumstance where we needed to remote into that meeting would we be able to accommodate that situation yeah bring it up here does that violate any interview rules that were there they have to be recorded in any way so I don't think some of the reports are doing them all virtually so I don't think it violates these rules because they're the fact that the applicants may also have problems I will need to remove myself from the meeting when you guys are interviewing the applicants yeah I've thought about that we haven't talked much about this but this is going to be something we have to deal with as far as questions are so many pretty good questions for our use we'll be happy to put a set of questions together if you have any questions you want why don't you just email them to us and we'll include those if you want us just to come up with there is a set of general questions already that we can email to you guys if you have a lot to add we can do it that way send us what you have we can send it to you I'm all happy alright and then the audience will be will you be involved with us I won't be interviewing because it's boring to do we happen to do their desist we'll go through that question yeah I'm just curious we'll just be the board but that would be helpful sending the questions out then we can we're going to get a purchase date and the staff will be on the recording so I'll tell you I wouldn't want to hold I don't respect to the poor interview it's a perfect interview we have 20 people there but we're just talking about the board yeah questions I would assume are you proposing that to start before our normal meeting time so staff will come in at a certain time we can do it before or right at the end whichever the board prefers each interview can be up to 30 minutes so it depends on how long your interview is going to be well I would think if we did it before we could pin the timing down a little more accurately with the interview people board meetings may end at whatever that's just my thought give me your comments before or after I can agree with what you're saying there in terms of how to pin down the other idea is to have the applicant kind of sit in on the board meeting that seems to be a little intimidating I'm not sure depending on what we're talking about one of your thoughts if we start the interview at 2 o'clock we'll call them by 3 o'clock and then we start the board in a regular time yeah we can set if there's just two of them we'll set it up at 2 and 2.30 okay I would say it's 25 minutes I gave them 25 minutes and we got 5 minutes before the same it would be awkward if two people were sitting in the whole time and one of them wasn't going to be coming forward we had the option to sit in we don't get made a decision anyway we're only recommending we expect applicants to watch the videos and read the minutes anyway I think that's assuming we only have two of them I'm delighted there's two of them what if we get more then you'll need to email us and we'll have to think about it it'll be over complicated when does the door turn on? 24th I think I think it was last week so how how long do you think we need to conduct a reasonable I'd say 15-20 minutes I'll tell you what I was saying 25 minutes remember that the council used to give them 5 so I think it was less than 5 so I took the 4.5 hours they were like 15-20 minutes so I just wonder whether that 2-3pm could accommodate more than just two people I'd say it could be and then maybe if it's 4 then we need to talk about it let's see how that rolls out I agree with you Tom push comes if you have we get a third one in there let's see how alright we'll wait to see the information that's exciting it's good yeah okay we need to really I think we're pretty much covered it's been pretty smooth thank you for being so concise on your reasons you do a good job good things happen you know alright thank you everybody with that another motion to adjourn sure I'll second that one we're good thank you