 So, how long ago was this when you were going to, when you first started going to his parties, how long ago was that? Well, it's not that I went to his party. You know what I'm saying? I'm just asking you. Okay, let me get on you. When you start cutting your dreads off, start looking at McDonald's and shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm just asking you. But now, what I'm saying is that, this was before Alligator, we talking almost 30 years ago. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, we gonna talk. That is Pippin' Kid in the building, man. I'm gonna jump right in. C-E-O founder, P-Ditty, is a C-E-O too. Yes, sir. And what I do want to say is allegations keep popping out. You used to be in them parties. You one of the guys that was in them parties, you seen what was going on in them parties. And I just want to know, is it as radical as what people are saying? Well, I never seen that type of stuff. P-Ditty and I had business, right? So I did an album with this artist called Loom. And so over a million copies, it did extremely well. So Loom had gave my information to P-Ditty. P-Ditty called me along with his team. They asked me, what is my publishing company? I said, my publishing company is Kid Ivy Publishing. So we negotiated, I said, hey, but I got one favor I want to ask of you. He said, what's the house I want Loom to come to my party? I want him to perform for my birthday party. That will close until the deal. So that happened. And then about a year later, he called me on six months later. What time was it, huh? What time was it? A year? What time of the day? Well, when he called me, it was like probably, So he wasn't two o'clock in the morning? No. Because he called my boy at two o'clock in the morning at 2.30 and said, No, no, but when he actually had me to come to his party, he wanted me to come to his party. He put it, who was at that party? Jermaine Jopie, everybody in Atlanta. Usher, was Usher at that party? No, no, no, and me and P-Ditty when I came to his party, me and my man Paper Chase was in his VIP. You know what I'm saying? So when we went into his VIP, it was just me and Paper Chase and him and he was battling with Jermaine Jopie on the mic. So I didn't see all that gay stuff and all that stuff. What was Diddy at that time? He was on, he was on, it was like a little stand, like a DJ booth and he was just, you know, talking that shit. Hey, what up, bad boy type shit, you know? Okay, the allegations are that he was doing a little more than just bad boy on the mic. Well, I don't, I never seen it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's why I said, you know, I said I can't say for sure. When I met him, he acted like a street nigga. Then when I went to his party with his mama, when they invited me and down one to New York, to justice, you know, when we was at their party, you know, it wasn't no gay shit. You know what I'm saying? But let me ask you this question, but don't y'all have some street code or P code or whatever code that even if you did see some stuff, you still wouldn't say it? No, if I, if I see some punk shit, I would tell you, hey, the fuck is on some fag, they on some punk shit. You know what I'm saying? Cause I'm a real, so I'm, you know, I, you know, I'm like, man, what the fuck, I'm the custom. I'm like, man, what the fuck y'all niggas got me here for what the fuck is this shit? You know what I'm saying? Don't play with me. Then I probably, you know, I probably call my homeboys and say, man, you know, strip this shit, you know what I'm saying? That's the type of the guy, you pull me in some bullshit. You know what I'm saying? You might get your jewelry taken, you might get your ass whipped, a whole bunch of shit might happen with me. I'm saying, I'm gonna let you know. I am gunner, I'm street, I'm a businessman, but I will, you know, check a fucking plan with me. So how long ago was this when you were going to, when you first started going to his party, is how long ago was that? Well, it's not that I went to his party, you know what I'm saying? I'm just asking you. Okay, let me get on you. When you start cutting your dress up, start looking Americanized and shit, you know what I'm saying? I'm just asking you. But now, what I'm saying is that, this was before Alligator, we talking almost 30 years ago. No, no, okay, that's the reason why I'm asking you. Some of this stuff gonna come up from 30 years ago. You sure you wasn't in some of them pictures? You weren't in some of them rooms? Hey man, I do have a picture with me and Puffy. You know what I'm saying? Me and Puffy did get in my way. Everybody had this shirt on? No, no. No, but what I'm getting to. No, I'm asking that everybody had this shirt on. Well, I'm looking at these pictures now. It's a lot of shirts off. No, no, no, no, man. I'm telling you, man, if a nigga pull this shirt off me and try to come at that, well, I'm gonna slap the shit out of him. That's what I'm trying to tell you. What I'm trying to add. Oh, God. Yeah, this shit, bro. Listen, man, if a nigga come especially back then, you know what I'm saying? I would have whooped the nigga playing with me. You know what I'm saying? Niggas in the joint didn't play with me. I ain't gonna let them nigga on the street play with me. You know what I'm saying? I'm a boss for real. You know what I'm saying? I whooped nigga ass, take his jury, kick him in his mother's ass, call him a bitch and everything. He come at me with that punk shit. You know what I'm saying? Keep that shit over there type shit. You know what I'm saying? And even at 60, I still whooped nigga's ass about playing with me in my masculinity. Okay, because I got a question. Because the thing is what I was trying to get to was, okay, because it was a long time ago and back then, you know, and I would think that when celebrities throwing parties and stuff like that, especially if they know that you a pimp or, you know, they invite all of them because y'all bringing the girls. No, you're asking the wrong question. Hold on. The right question is how many bitches did I bring there for them niggas? Hold on, but I'm getting to that. No, no, no. I was providing the bitches. That's what I was getting to, but hold on. That's the niggas. The bitches. But what I'm asking back then was there, was there, was there pimps that had males? No, hell no. That's what I'm trying to ask. You got a misconception of the pimping. You know what I'm saying? Pimpin' is pimping the horn. Not hornin' horn. You know what I'm saying? Me, it's pimping the horn. Because nowadays you have- So if you see me with a bitch, you know what I'm saying? She's gonna be young, fine, and qualified that's really on the pimp side. You dig what I'm saying? That's all I'm gonna fuck with, Ms. Jamaica. I'll tell you, I don't fuck with no men. I don't- Because you have male prostitutes out there too, don't you? Yeah, I don't. You know what I'm sayin'? Get it right. It's what it might be. It's what it might be. I'm sure somebody pimping now. Hey, I'm the best that didn't get away with it. You know what I'm talkin' about? That's just not me. I don't participate in that shit. But I did 10 years in prison and never looked at a man as a woman. And there's a bunch of punks up in that mouth. Definitely is. Let me ask you a question. Like, you being a person who understand, you know, litigations of certain situations, you've seen what happened with Bill Cosby. You've seen what happened with R. Kelly. You've seen what happened with all these different people. Even Epstein, I think he killed himself when he got in there or they killed him. But allegedly. But what do you see happenin' with Pete Diddy with this case? Well, let me get to, that's the appropriate question, right? Now here's the situation, right? In the African-American community is 3Ds, demonized, destroyed, and discredited when it come to black men. You know what I'm sayin'? I mean, it's been a long, long lasting policy of certain government officials and certain white supremacists to try to bring black men down. You know, that's why when I look at Fannie Willis down there in Atlanta, you know what I'm sayin'? What they do, they build us up and then they destroy us, you know what I'm sayin'? And whenever you see a white person really gettin' behind a black person, they build him up like they build Bill Cosby up and they put him on this pedestal and like R. Kelly and Pete Diddy, you know that they gon' pull the rug. I guarantee you, they haven't done it to him yet, but Jay-Z, they probably try to get him. They gon' try to get, like they doin' with Aesau Rocky. They already gettin' at him. You know what I'm sayin'? They gettin' at Rihanna. You know what I'm sayin'? And they gon' be gettin' at Beyoncé. Anybody of natural prominence within our community, they try to destroy it because, you know, if you look at white supremacy, white supremacy is a religion. When you look at it from the perspective, whenever you read your history book and say, George Washington was the greatest president all the time and so was Jackson. We got him on a dollar bill and we got him on a $20 bill, but they don't tell you both of them pokes for slaves. You know what I'm sayin'? I mean, they teach you about main arcades. They teach you about Karl Marx. Yeah, they teach you about all these white greats, but they don't, they teach you about Mansa Musa or Kwame Kuma or Charles Drew or Percy Julian, some of the African-American greats. And then when they do, why is Martin Luther King, no disrespect to Martin Luther King, why is Martin Luther King more pronounced and more recognized than Percy Julian? Percy Julian was the first black man on his own medical facility. He also got over a thousand packs with the gluten company. Not only that, you know what I'm sayin'? He protested in Chicago, in Oak Park, Chicago, when they burnt this house down because they wanted him to move. He did the same thing Rosa Park did. He refused to move. He refused to allow the white establishment to bring him down. And nobody ever talked about that, but they talk about Martin Luther King because they killed Martin Luther King. You know what I mean? So in the backdrop of Martin Luther King, you know, all of these streets, all of this stuff that they got in respects to Martin Luther King, the backdrop of that is, you know, it's a European, you know, person that killed Martin Luther King. But Black Wall Street, you think about Black Wall Street on the backdrop of it, they killed 600 black people. So you got to understand, whenever they're lifting a black person up or they're taking the black person and they're giving them all that recognition, he is always a rug that's being pulled up under them because that's what whites look like, making black folks look like they're food.