 Live from Austin, Texas, it's theCUBE, covering OpenStack Summit 2016, brought to you by the OpenStack Foundation and headline sponsors Red Hat and Cisco. And welcome back to the Austin Convention Center here on theCUBE or at OpenStack Summit 2016, the final wrap-up of day one. It's been a great day one here for us here and we certainly appreciate you're watching over the course of the day. I'm with Stu Miniman and Brian Gracely as well. Gentlemen, let's talk about day one. I mean, your major takeaways, Stu, I'll start with you. Heard a lot of buzzwords today, right? We've heard a lot of energy around OpenStack and really the maturity of that market, but what do you take away from day one? Yeah, John, we had a little bit of fun in the keynote this morning, you know, friend on Twitter sent out, oh, here's the buzzword bingo. It's like, you know, disruption. It's all, oh, right, you know, where are we? And you know, on the one hand, you know, a lot of the discussions remind me of what I've heard for the last couple of years. It's, we talked to, with the user survey and you know, incrementally, we're getting better. Things are more mature, people are doing more, they're putting in more production, but you know, we're starting to see some real use cases emerge, that's exciting. When you're talking to users and you know, some clear places where OpenStack is getting environment, you know, giving value to, you know, what they're deploying. So, you know, the telcos, you know, are slow to make changes. I mean, you know, we think the enterprise is slow. Telco, you know, understand, you've got background from Telco. I can't from that space. Absolutely, so you know, we understand, it's like, you know, boy, they've got capacity in their environments and they got lots of gear, so for OpenStack to start making some headway and talking about software from the Telco guys. So that's a little bit exciting there. You know, some cloud providers, so they're service providers, manage hosters, you know, we're going to hear from Google this week as to what they're doing, but starting to hear some progress there and you know, actual, you know, production deployments, you know, good proof points from, you know, Red Hat, where they're doing, Rackspace came on, talked about what they're doing with Red Hat. You know, so, you know, interesting movement and what's going on here. And you know, the show has, you know, a good vibe. Last year, we actually made a comment and said, you know, OpenStack's almost gotten to, you know, no offense to the boring stage. There aren't a huge headlines of, it's going to take out AWS or, you know, crush this. It's, you know, getting into production, it's going into enterprise environments and when it gets to that standpoint, it's like, okay, this is part of the fabric of what makes up IT and there was a great discussion we had Chris Wright of Red Hat today said, it's like Linux, Linux took many years to get where it was, but it's ubiquitous. OpenStack's six years now, you know, 7,500 people here understanding, you know, getting their hands dirty, figuring out how it fits in their environment, figuring out what they own, what they partner with and how they consume it. So, you know, it's not just the people building this, but it's fitting in a lot of those environments. So Brian, are people bringing in a little bit easier now than just to this point, you know, maybe the cycles are becoming a little more tolerable, if you will, and that people are adapting at a different pace and there are different expectations and that's all good. Right. Yeah, no, it's definitely, I mean, OpenStack has definitely moved from being vastly over-hyped to beginning to almost be sort of under-hyped which is actually very good considering that at the end of the day, OpenStack is its infrastructure software. It's plumbing, right? It's plumbing for what goes on and makes all these applications sort of happen. At the end of the day, that's supposed to be boring and predictable. This conference still has a lot of livelihood to it. There's a lot of energy. People are excited about doing it, but the software itself, the what's delivered to the market, it's very, it's done reliably. Every six months, you're getting a new release. They're doing a very good job of sort of consolidating around the things that are the most important, they're going to get a lot of attention in terms of making them stable. We're seeing them move into, you know, markets that aren't just gaming. They aren't just startups. It's telephone companies. We're seeing them, you know, we talk to people, talk about, hey, we're looking at moving, you know, cattle or pets workloads, but you know, oracles and SAP types. SAP was on stage. So I think at the end of the day, it's a good thing. We're seeing the continue to grow. We're seeing a lot of companies that are learning how to work in this world. You think about what's happened over the last five or six years. You know, open source has become mainstream. You know, public clouds and managed clouds have become very mainstream. People accept that type of thing. People are still trying to figure out how to do, you know, multi-cloud and hybrid cloud, but that's becoming mainstream. So OpenStack has kind of grown up. It's almost like the Truman show, you know, that movie about the show in a bubble. They've been seeing all this stuff happen kind of out in the open. There's been some warts. There's been some wins, but it's kind of getting to the place where it needs to be in terms of where the community is, where the stability is and where the opportunities are. I almost, I was thinking about it listening to one of your interviews earlier and I kind of likened it to a courtship that you dated the girl, you know, three, four years and you thought, okay, we should get married. You know, we're at that point now. You've seen all the possible scenarios and it goes back to those buzzwords that we have here, the manageability, scalability, security, diversity, all those things. Are those indications of this maturing marketplace? It's funny, I'd say many people are in, they're at least in common law marriage with what they're doing with OpenStack, even if they haven't officially hit because one of the things we're trying to poke at is the money following. So, there was a whole group of startups and over the last couple of years, they got bought, a couple went under and there are some startups here. I'm excited to go through the show floor, see what new companies are there. But the really interesting ones are the ones that are leveraging OpenStack but aren't talking about OpenStack out in front. It's part of the fabric, it's part of what they're building with their environments. It's kind of moving just to be in the platform and talking about other pieces of how they're adding value. Because there's so much that the community has built with all of these various pieces that it can become a really valuable toolbox. It's interesting, we haven't had to talk about this year. It used to be, what is OpenStack? Because it's not a piece of software, it's a lot of different projects and put together in various pieces and how do I get it and how do I build it? And it seems we've gotten beyond some of those basic pieces and trying to get into some of the real value discussions as to how it helps me run my business better, how it helps me move faster. Now, you both have talked about telcos, you both mentioned in your first remarks. The fact that we have a rise in making a fairly significant announcement here, we had AT&T awarded as a super user, the super user of 2016. How big of a deal is that? That those two in particular are almost, if not front and center, they're prominent in the OpenStack space right now. Well, I think it's a big deal, I think it's two things, right? For one, mobile is the becoming the dominant computing platform, right? It's far surpassed PCs in terms of growth, it's becoming the dominant platform. And so it makes logical sense that the telcos as a whole globally are saying, look, we not only have to be able to deliver interesting services to those phones, and interesting services may simply be better bandwidth to the device, more reliability, those types of things. But behind the scenes, they're going through the same sort of chaos and economic churn that everybody else in the IT industry is, which is, you've got to go faster, you've got to be much more software centric, you've got to learn how to work with communities, just the same way you did with vendors. So it is, it's very significant that they're on stage, but equally significant is, they're not just buying software or buying boxes from the vendors that are here, you're seeing them actively contribute and talk about how they're having to build and build their own software in some cases. That's a huge change. It means they're having to compete with the internet service providers, they're having to deliver good services to their customers. So it's a significant thing, but it really is this merging together of open stack maturity and mobility taken off like crazy. What about the user surveyed in general? Does that, what does that indicate you things do when you see what those results are? And they jump off the page at you to say, well, how about that? This is, this is again an indication of where the market is, because that's the users talking. Yeah, so it's interesting. I want to actually pose a question to Brian that we talked about with the users. So there's still, you know, there's faster adoption of the new version of open stack, but still if you look at all the people that are in there, it's not the most recent, you know, three versions. It's like the most recent six versions. And I kind of compare and contrast that against public cloud. And it's people are adopting faster, but it's a very different mindset as to how I handle from one version to the another. I'm curious, Brian, what your thoughts are, especially think about kind of the developer community and how they think about maintaining their, you know, I mean, the operations care about maintaining their environment, but what's your thoughts on that? I mean, at the end of the day, and I don't think we would get a lot of divergence if we asked this question. Operations is still the hardest part of not only open stack, but we use a term sometimes called true private cloud from a Wikibon perspective. Operations is the hardest part of doing this. You're in essence asking every single customer, every single IT organization to learn something different, to think about going fast when they've always been asked to go and be reliable and do that, you know, every single customer has to learn that versus the public clouds who, you know, one large group learning, their learning curve goes like this. So I think that's always going to be behind the public cloud. The thing to track will end up being, you know, how far behind, you know, at the next conference, you know, the MN, you know, the N release, you know, are we still five and six releases or is that shrunk? And people are going, you know what, I got to get up to date and I've got to figure out how to do that. Yeah, we're going to have some of the foundation people on tomorrow. And one of the things that, you know, right, is how often, you know, how long can you keep that six month drum beat? And does that stay across the board or, you know, how do we keep up with that? Because, you know, it's challenging. I mean, even from the user survey, they said, well, you know, we looked at the delta between the six months and they were really close, you know, maybe we can switch it to, you know, once every 12 months and it might be on a project by project basis, you know, we might have certain projects that need, you know, updates, but some of the really mature ones that have their functionality kind of baked, they might not need to do much every time. So, you know, does that change? How do I manage it? And, you know, as OpenStack gains the maturity, on the other hand, I need to, you know, think about, you know, how I might need to change the structure of it. But do you raise or would they raise any concerns if they do back off that kind of life cycle? And they said, we're going to go to 12 months now because they came out of the box so strong, right? With their six months over six years and expectations are at a certain level. And now I said, we're going to back off that a little bit. I think it's more reasonable what you're proposing because now people can, they have to make adaptation maybe too quickly. But do they run the risk or is there a risk in creating any kind of a red flag where one really doesn't exist? What do you guys think? Well, I think your natural human inclination is to go, I'd like to de-risk things, I'd like to take some of that out of there. The challenge to that is, you know, you think about the mobile phone in your pocket, that thing is getting updates for applications every couple of weeks, you know? And so there's a certain end user expectation that I'm going to get new, I'm going to get new, I'm going to get fast. And in some cases that's going to impact, you know, back in the data center with OpenStack, in other cases it won't, but in general you can't start pushing a mindset of like you've got to go slower, you've got to go slower because your end user expectation has gotten faster. So you, you know, as much as you'd like to reduce that risk, there's going to be the need to continue to get faster just to keep up with certain expectations. And that's going to be difficult, but it would be very difficult to say, hey guys, we're going to back this off and do it half as many times. You may signal to the market, you know what? Maybe you should consider some alternatives that can keep up with that pace of change. Stu? Yeah, I mean, Brian, that's a great point. I mean, I wasn't necessarily saying, you know, stop the six month release, just certain projects, it might be pretty minor updates sometimes. It's, you know, you think of any, you know, life cycle of any software, it's there's certain points where, you know, of course we need to drive innovation. I need to, you know, move going forward. I need to be responsive to what the community needs. But, you know, boy, there's so many projects and the new ones, of course, need to, you know, rapidly increase. But I don't know, I'm curious to see what the foundation says. Yeah, yeah. Let me ask you a question. You're the newest member to the CUBE team. Welcome aboard. Thank you very much. You did a great job. You guys have been great. Thank you. You know, sometimes we live in this world where, you know, I think I've been into five or six summits. Stu's been to four or five. The CUBE's been here at four. You're coming in a little bit new to this. You come from more of the mobile domain. What part of this, you know, just taking in the day makes sense to you? And what part of it where you go, boy, this is crazy what those people are doing. That doesn't make any sense to me. Cattle and pets kind of got me, to be honest with you. I had to take that one a little bit. No, I think what I find interesting is that, especially when you get like into my world where I came from the wireless industry, you know, two very large carriers and then also T-Mobile and Sprint. You kind of know how they operate, how they do things. Very cautious in some respects, very careful, very protective, and here they are now both in this open source environment, both embracing very different philosophies. I think for how you approach your IT business and your structures, I think that's really interesting. When the bigger the brand that comes in to me, when I see some of the names on the board back here and I realize who their clients are and you look at who they're working, you realize that this is just not a phenomenon. I mean, this is a way of doing business that's fundamentally going to change their IT approach and it's an exciting space to be in. It's awfully, there are a lot of moving parts and you know that better than anybody, the two of you do, but there are a lot of opportunities along the way and I thought really, I think that Jonathan Bryce talked about it this morning. He said, you know, disruption is terrifying. I think certainly that's in the early going, right? Everybody's on biting their nails because they're afraid of what shoe's going to fall and then when the shoe doesn't fall but it kind of softly landed and things worked and you could still walk like you did the day before, you realize that it's okay. And so then you go from that terrifying stage to the opportunity stage and to me at least looking at from a cursory position, I think that's where we are right now. You're seeing people realize there is great opportunity here. Great efficiencies to be realized. They can lower their cost of operations. They can also minimize their risk. Security's not that much of a concern as I thought it would be. Haven't heard anybody really talk about security a whole lot and I thought that would be a hot topic, frankly. I thought data security and all that's going on, you know, with Apple and the iPhone and the government, what have you. But at least I haven't anybody really expressed that today. So those are just some of the thoughts but it's a brave new world for sure and a pretty exciting one. So anyway, that's where we are. So day two, we'll be back for more coverage here on theCUBE, here on siliconangle.tv. Also you can check us out on our YouTube channel and we'll be here live as well on Wednesday all from the Austin Convention Center to continue our coverage of the OpenStack Summit 2016. For Stu and Brian, I'm John Wallace and thank you for joining us here on theCUBE.