 Actually, I don't even need a coffee. Let's come to order, please. Please come to order. Come on in and sit down. We have a quorum. Janice. Looks like it. Yeah. All right, joining, um, accompanying us this evening on the piano is Jane Howard. She's going to play the Star Spangled Banner. All please rise. Thank you, Mrs. Howard. Although we're on Article 29, we've actually only voted on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 articles. 15. Um, we've done a pretty good job of moving through things, but we have to pick our piece up if we want to finish this year. Um, and I wanted two of the postponements were partly my fault, so I do apologize for that, but we're going to try and move on all of these things without further delay, which we hope will work well for us all. Are there any, um, town meeting members who have yet to be sworn in? Any new town meeting members yet to be sworn in? Okay, repeat after me, inserting your name. I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully and impartially perform the duties incumbent upon me as a town meeting member of the town of Arlington in accordance with the bylaws, town manager act, and the general laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. So let me go on. Congratulations. The high school girls are, softball girls are out selling cookies again and other treats for us, and I understand that not only is Miss Rice our council, but she's also our baker. Baking products for us to all enjoy, so let's get out there and buy them for the girls. Um, I recognize the chairman of the Board of Select and Miss Rowe. Yes, um, thank you, Mr. Moderator. It is moved that if all the business of the meeting is set forth and the warrant for the annual town meeting is not disposed of at this session, when the meeting adjourns, it adjourns to Wednesday, May 4th, 2011 at 8 p.m. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? So moved. Thank you, Mr. Moderator. Um, I also tonight would like to talk about a moment of silence for two very strong Arlingtonians. Um, Fred Sennett, who sat for many years in this body, and Dan Breary, who, while not a town meeting member, was part of our town structure in the most delightful way. Um, and I was going to ask for a moment of silence for them, but I think that today's events ask us also to have a moment of silence for the victims of 9-11. So, with that, I ask you to have a moment of silence. Thank you. I think we would also be in this, unless we remember our servicemen and women who have given their lives for our country and have gotten injured in the two wars that we've been fighting for 10 years as a result of those incidents. Yes, for those injured and who've died in the two wars, um, as well. Thank you. Any announcements or resolutions? Sir. Yes, that was, I was going to tell you. For some reason, it's not working. Um, Dave Good, nor I can figure it out. At the break, we're going to get the instructions and see why. Um, new toys, new glitches. If worst, worst happens, we'll have them, um, send us another one so we have it on Wednesday, hopefully. It's all under a 30-day trial period anyway, so, um, hopefully we're going to get it working, maybe tonight, maybe not. Otherwise, I'm going to be using the old stand by the watch, so please bear with me a little bit and don't abuse your 3-5-7 minute rule, even though you're allowed 10. Um, I've been asked to announce that the Ehrlichton Coalition on Responsible Spending will be having a meeting on May 5th at 6 p.m. at the Cutter, Jefferson Cutter House, also the Dallin Museum. Any other announcements or resolutions? Sir. No? Okay. Okay. Any reports or committees? Any committees have reports for us? Seeing none. Uh, Mr. Tosti isn't here. The, um, the Finance Committee is having an emergency meeting somewhere trying to figure something out. I'm not sure. So, we're going to go right to, uh, this actually says we're going to go to Article 17, Zoning Bylaw Amendment, but I think we're in the middle of 29, and we're going to probably finish that first. Okay. What we left off was discussing the homeroom legislation for two additional license for sale of alcoholic beverages not to be drunk on the premises. I was told, um, by a town meeting member there may be some confusion as to what we're actually talking about. We're talking about two homeroom petitions to send to the legislature to ask if we should have two more package stores in town. This has nothing to do with restaurants. It's strictly for retail sale of beer, wine, and alcohol. Two would three, we have three stores which is going for four and five. Uh, the next speaker on the list was Mr. Fisher. Andrew Fisher, precinct six. Uh, I rise in opposition to doing this. Uh, I feel we're remiss to talk about increasing the number of all alcohol licenses in package stores in Arlington without, without also talking about how that might affect the 42 group home halfway house establishments that we have here in town. Uh, a significant number of these establishments has people recovering from alcohol abuse. One of these is the 20, 21 room single occupancy building located behind my house. Uh, Major Carol who lives here in Arlington is the director of the Salvation Army for the Cambridge area. He told me in February of this year that since the program was established about 13 years ago, every single resident has graduated and gone on to live independently. He said a major factor of that is that when the men get off the bus they are not walking by a package store on the way home. I would find it the height of thoughtlessness to plant a liquor store within 100 yards or so of a halfway house. If, for example, quad cycles at Brattle and Mass Ave were to become a liquor store, that is what we would be doing because there is one near there. Stop and consider that Arlington has a unique, remarkable, quirky kind of an identity with stores like Penzies in the Heights where Boston Chicken used to be and Carburys or Jam and Java in the center. When their lease comes up, if the two licenses haven't been made available, they will have to pay the same rent that could be paid by a liquor license store. We have no control, I don't think, over where these two stores come in. The number of police per thousand residents in this town is minimal. A lot of us, foolishly perhaps, feel okay leaving our house unlocked. It's a unique kind of place, and I, for one, feel that the minimal number of alcohol stores is part of that personality. Regarding turning this vote over to the entire town, I don't think we should, for several reasons. One is that when we make that final decision, we are not allowed to know, according to our town council and selectmen, we're not allowed to know the locations of drug treatment centers in town. So, theoretically, we're not allowed to know where, we're not allowed to know if we can't make an informed decision if we're placing a store near several halfway houses. Four to two of them, back when the Salvation Army came in, the legend was that there were 17 or 18, so I'd love to know the nature of the additional 42. I don't see any upside to having these stores. I do see a downside. So, I would urge a no vote. If we turn it over to the town, it's almost certainly going to be a yes vote, and the people that vote on it will not have talked it over for an evening. They will not know about the effect on halfway houses. So, I oppose this thing. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Fisher. Mr. Fitzgerald, Ms. Phelps. Okay, that's Ms. Phelps, a precinct. Ms. Phelps, precinct 16, asks to terminate debate on all matters before us. All in favor, please say yes. Yes. Opposed, say no. No. My opinion is a two-third vote. And Ms. Phelps, if you can please wait for the microphone. So, Gabe can get your comments in the future. Thank you. Five people are rising for the counted vote on the termination. All in favor of terminating debate, please rise. Same tellers, please. Mr. Greeley, up front. Four. Four up front for terminating debate. Four. Mr. Schlickman. Twenty-four. Twenty-four. Mr. Conner. Thirty. Thirty. Thirty. Mr. Tremblay. Thirty-seven. Thirty-two. Mr. Horowitz. Twenty-seven. Twenty-seven. All opposed, please rise. Mr. Greeley, zero. Mr. Schlickman. Ten. Ten. Mr. Conner. Eight. Eight. Eight. Five. Five. It is terminated 120 to 31. Okay. All in favor of the home rule petition as presented before from the Schlickman's vote, please rise. It's a home rule petition so we're going to take a standing vote in the first instance. Mr. Greeley. Four. Four. Four up front. Mr. Schlickman. Nineteen. Nineteen. Mr. Conner. Twenty-seven. Twenty-seven. Mr. Tremblay. Twenty. Twenty. Mr. Horowitz. Twenty-four. Twenty-four. Twenty-four. All opposed, please rise. Zero up front. Mr. Schlickman. Seventeen. Seventeen. Ten. Nineteen. Nineteen. Fourteen. Fourteen. It's an affirmative vote, 94 to 60. Okay. That brings us back to Article 17, which was postponed till this evening. Article 17, Zoning By-law Amendment Outdoor Advertising at Pierce Field. Mr. Kair. Mike Kair, Redevelopment Board and Precinct 12. The Redevelopment Board is working with several of the interest parties, including the original proponent, on structuring it so that it passes muster. So we would ask, given all of the things on our current agenda, if we could postpone it for, I would say a week, but we have the special tile meeting. So I'd say till Wednesday, May 11th. And we should have something on people's chairs, if indeed that's the way we go, on Monday. Okay. All right, there's been a motion to further postpone the debate to Wednesday, May 11th, because they're trying to work out a deal and come up with something for us to view. It's been seconded all in favor of further postponing. Please say yes. Yes. Opposed say no. No. My opinion is a postpone till May 11th. That brings us next to Article 26, which was also postponed. Excuse me. This was the... Who's standing? Oh, sir. This is Article 26, bylaw amendment, motor boats and spy pond. I understand there is a substitute. Sorry, there is a substitute that was distributed last meeting. Right. Do you want to present it? I actually have the... Oh, name and precinct, please. Sorry. My name is Ethan Zimmer. I am putting forth this amendment on behalf of the Friends of Spy Pond Park, and they have somebody here who is willing to speak to it. And what's her name? Please introduce her. Betsy Leander Wright. She is an Arlington resident. Okay. Ms. Wright, please go forward. And we need your name, spell it please, and address for the record. All right. My name is Betsy Leander Wright. E-T-S-Y-L-E-O-N-D-A-R-W-R-I-G-H-T. I live at 21 Belknap Street in Arlington. Thank you. You're on. You have 10 minutes. Great. I won't take that much of your time. The Friends of Spy Pond Park started discussing additional motor boat regulations because we started noticing an increasing number of dangerous or disturbing behavior by a small number of outboard motor users who were going too loud, too drunk, too close to kids or kayaks or whatever, too fast. And the existing regulations didn't seem good enough. It's 10 horsepower motor, 10 miles per hour. It's very hard to talk to a motor boater about how many miles per hour they're going because they don't really know and we don't really know. So when we're yelling slow down at them, it doesn't really translate. So we did some research on what other small ponds with parks and residences around them use and a no wake zone, 50 foot no wake zone seemed to be what they use. And that seemed good because you can say to a motor boater, hey, you've got wake, please slow down. It's mostly community enforcement. The police don't respond too much to bad motor boat behavior. So it's usually those of us in kayaks and in Spy Pond Park who are talking to them. We also could take pictures of a boat with a wake if someone was violating. So we put in the warrant article for a 50 foot zone all around the park and we learned after we had filed it that this would be a problem for the Arlington-Bellmont crew team. We're all big supporters of the crew team. They're really fantastic. It's beautiful out on Spy Pond. But what they said was that the channels by the sides of Elizabeth Island are just like barely 100 feet. So the coaching boats would have to slow down to obey the law that we were proposing. They wouldn't be able to keep up with their very, very fast rowers. So they opposed our broad warrant article and so the Selectman voted no action on it. So we had a, and the Selectman asked us to come up with a compromise that met everybody's concerns. So we met with the Spy Pond Committee of Vision 2020, representatives of the Arlington-Bellmont crew team, and the Friends of Spy Pond Park. And this is what we came up with, that there would be a no wake zone within 50 feet of park. And that is where motorboats enter on the boat ramp. And I think if the responsible boaters, including the coaching boats, go very slowly off the boat ramp anyway. So it would really just give some leverage on the irresponsible ones who cause a problem. So we're hoping that you will vote on the substitute motion of just that limited no wake zone along the strip of Spy Pond Park. Anything further? Did we have a second on the most substitute, second? I think that's it for now. If someone has a question, we'll call you back. So you just don't want to stand over there. Thank you, sir. Mr. Fiori. Peter Fiori, Precinct 2. How big a wake? How big a wake? How do you measure the size of the wake? I mean a wake, there's like minimal wake and there's huge wakes. And I mean, how big does the wake have to be for this to be enforced? Talking to motor boaters, almost everybody of water has no wake zones. The Charles has it. Most lakes have it. It basically means anything that turns into a wave. We looked that up because we got that question and there doesn't seem to be a technical term for it. But basically if they're going fast enough to make waves off the back of their motor boat, then they are going fast enough to be a danger to the kids that are right there. You know, the toddler part down from the playground is right next to the boat ramp. And there's a lot of kayaks and canoes going in right there. If they're going fast enough to make any wave come off the back, they're going fast enough to be a danger to those other pond users. So basically I guess my answer to that question is the same as on every other body of water that has a no wake zone, which is almost everybody of water that motor boats go on. Mr. Fiori. Okay, I've actually been a rowing coach and I've used outboard motor boats much of my adult life. And my concern is that this is going to be used to shut down that rowing program because any boat even making slightly more than headway speed is going to create a wake. It might not be a wake that creates a danger, but my concern is that the residents that may line the shores by pond could conceivably say that even that minimal wake is a wake. And it's one of those things I just don't see how you enforce it. It's one of those just unenforceable regulations. It's one of those things that someone could really manipulate to their advantage. You know, a con body of water like spy pond, a wake is going to travel and it's going to travel from shore to shore. And I'm just concerned that the neighbors are going to use it to shut down that rowing program or harass those kids. As I read this from, like I say, based on the fact that I've been a rowing coach and I've used outboard motors. So I'm going to have people to oppose it. It's just, it just doesn't pass the smell test for me. Thank you, Mr. Fury. If I could just clarify. Only when you ask the question, you stop talking. Thanks. Mr. Streitfeld? Mark Streitfeld, precinct 20. I was looking at the wording of this and I also don't understand it. It looks as though it could be something that could be used to basically, as last speaker said, stop all motor boats. If the proponents of it were to come up with alternate wording, either, you know, ask for reconsideration, I would vote for that or something like that. But as it stands, I wouldn't, I don't think that a duck can meet this standard as wakes to travel all the way across. Mr. LeCourt? Annie LeCourt, precinct 15 and the mother of a former rower in the Arlington Belmont rowing program. When the two groups involved with this question came before us, the rowing club were very concerned about the effect of this question on their program and the proponents of the no wake zone came before us to argue for and against this article as it was originally written. We asked them to talk to one another and to work out a compromise. If there was a possible compromise would allow the rowing program to legitimately continue with a well still satisfying the neighbor's desire for there to be at least some control on the speed of motor boats other than 10 miles an hour, which is very difficult to judge from a distance. The understanding is that the language before you is that compromise position and that the rowing club members and the parents and the coaches and so on and so forth agree to this language. If I understand it correctly and perhaps is it Ms. LeAndereit would like to clarify one more time, all they're asking for is a no wake zone along spy pond park, which is only a part of the shore of the pond, not the residential parts, but the park shoreline, which is maybe 20% of the park, anybody know? So although the Board of Selectment took a no action vote on this as a town meeting member and as someone who believes that in communities we should compromise, I'm comfortable with this article and its language because it's been worked out between the parties who were the most adamantly concerned about this article. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Court. Mr. Trumbulli. Mr. Trumbulli, President 19. Mr. Moderator, has anybody talked to the Boys Club about this? I do not know the answer to that question. Mr. Wright, have these folks spoke to the Boys and Girls Club about this? Do you know what the club thought about it? You have to move to the microphone and do you know what the response to the Boys and Girls Club was? Microphone, walk right up to the mic and tell us what you know. I know that the representatives of the crew team talked to the Boys and Girls Club. I don't know what they said back again. But I do know that the coaches and the board of the crew team are satisfied that this would not jeopardize the program. They move very slowly away from the park in any case. Okay, so Ed, I think your answer is we don't know what the club thinks of this. Well, unless one of the board of selectmen does. No, okay. The last time there was a move of what to change the regulations for motorboats on spy pond. I did hear from some people at the Boys Club and they were a little concerned about it because if they got to go fish some drowning kid out of the pond, they want to get there in a hurry and we're a little concerned about having restrictions on them as far as horsepower restrictions at the time. But, you know, the regulations apply to everything. So I do know that in past years when I've created big giant wakes and giant puddles with my snow plow, the weight kept going when I stopped and swamped the car at the other end of the puddle. So just good sort of a little concern about that. Thank you. Mr. Horowitz. Gary Horowitz, Precinct 18. If I'm understanding this correctly, the motorboats have to slow down because the rowboats are going too fast. You want the motorboats going slower than the rowboats. Oh, yeah. That's not a fast boat. And it doesn't say just one area of the park. Oh, never mind. Thank you. Mr. Jamison. Mr. Judge, you're on the list unless you want to get on for a second time. Okay. Mr. Jamison, you have the floor. Thank you, Mr. moderator. Gordon Jamison, Precinct 12. Okay. To reiterate what we heard, that is not the article. That is the warrant up there. What I heard was that the northern end of the pond is the area where this restriction would occur. That's where boats are launched and taken back in, where people take their canoes and kayaks and back in, and where people, probably against the law, may be in the water or along the shoreline. The rest of the park, that all the other whole, what, at least 270 degrees of it, will be open for boat use. Is that correct? No. It says right here, the amendment. That is the warrant again. The substitute motion was on your chair. The substitute motion is here, which I got with courtesy of Mr. Smith. Nor shall they create wake within 50 feet of the shore of spy pond park. Correct. Okay. I note that this is inserted after the word emergency. Perhaps our town council could tell us about the bylaw and how it provides for emergency use of the pond in case of emergencies that was raised by Mr. Twenbley. Like whether the fire department can go with all due speed and haste to rescue someone. Thank you, Mr. Moderator. Juliana Rise Town Council. I did assist in drafting this substitute motion. And on review, perhaps I should have suggested that this language be placed before except in cases of emergency. Although I think that would be ready. And currently the limit on horsepower is 10 miles, 10 horsepower or 10 miles per hour. And both of those are subjected to an except in cases of emergency clause. Okay. So, so right now the limits are 10 miles per hour on the part on the pond already. On the entire pond, 10 miles per hour or 10 horsepower except in cases of emergency. Okay. Thank you very much. It's very helpful. That was going to be my last question. For those of you who are not familiar with the rights of way on the water. The motorboats are last on the list because they are self powered. A swimmer is first. An unpowered vehicle with a person in it like a canoe or a kayak is next. I think a sailboat is somewhere. No, actually a sailboat actually may have right away over a kayak. But our motorboats are last unless you're in Lakewood, Versailles where the mountain has right away because it can't get out of your way. Those of you who are not familiar with the term no wake. It is a generally accepted term of motoring as far as I understand. It means no wake. And it generally means five miles an hour or less. And we miss a rice very nicely told us about speed limits. So this seems like a very nice compromise. It's only at the end of the park that has the most number of people. It doesn't impede upon the use of the crew team. And I think it since there is already 10 mile an hour and 10 horsepower regulations on the pond. I think that's a nice compromise. And I recommend a positive vote. Thank you very much, Mr. moderator. Thank you, sir. Mr. Tully. Mr. Hanner. This gentleman behind. This bulls hope. Yes, sir. You know, not you, Mr. Wagner. That guy. Yes. No, no, Mr. Cook. That guy in the stripe shirt. You're coming up soon. Joe Bistali precinct one. She mentioned something about drunk boaters. I don't know if there's any proof of that. What kind of boaters drunk? I believe she mentioned something about intoxicated drunk drivers. That's fine. Introduce yourself again, ma'am. I'm back. I have sometimes seen alcohol in motor boats. And then sometimes I'm inferring from behavior that I've had some people be, you know, rude and sloppy and obnoxious in ways consistent with some substance being involved. Maybe not. Maybe that's just the way they are all the time. But I think that's an example. There's a small number of irresponsible boaters. That's an example of what is going on with some of them. Well, you got to be careful who your cues are being drunk these days. That's true. And then just, I wouldn't want to discover any kind of recreation. Mr. Marquis. Mr. Judd. I'm in job precinct nine. In my experience, having been around this town all of my life, spy pond, when you get certain wind conditions, actually ends up with waves and chopped just like it was an ocean or a much larger body of water. So there's that to be contended with. Spy pond for the most part is never a placid, cool, flat piece of real estate covered with water. It does tend to have motion to it. As was alluded to earlier, if it's just the area along spy pond park, I see no problem with just having a zone there or whatever, 15 feet or whatever that would be reasonable. And because of the narrow channel between Elizabeth Island and the land, that there should possibly be an exception made there for special circumstances. It seems to me though, and I noticed the next article is already, according to the comment already being done, which is to put up very large specific signage telling people what's expected and telling them that anything, if they exceed this or exceed that, they will be barred from using the pond. I don't know how you can enforce that, but that's about the only thing I can think of. And as far as drunken boaters, maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought we had some bylaw against public consumption of alcoholic beverage. I don't think you're supposed to drink and drive in a boat. Just like a car anyways. Yeah, but as I say, I don't think just publicly, unless you're on your own property, my understanding is that anyone consume the alcoholic beverage. Mr. Judge, please keep within the scope, sir. Yes, there's no such thing as a pointer information. We're not talking about 27, we're talking about 26. Yeah, 27 is dead, we're done. Yeah, and Mr. Judge, please keep it within the scope of this article. What I was getting at was signage, and apparently the next article, or at least the courtes of the comments, that is taken care of. I just want to re-emphasize that I think signs with large, large lettering, especially be at the boat ramp or any other place that someone might put a boat into the pond. And I think it's pretty well known that the Arlington Fire Department has no restriction on what they're doing if they're trying to save someone's life or prevent some kind of injury. So I think that anyone would think that that would be the way to do things, that this is kind of automatic in case of emergency. Therefore, I really don't see too much problem with this, but maybe it needs to be postponed and reworked to try to get over the objections that you heard this evening. I don't know if that makes sense or not, but as I say, it sounds to me, it sounds to me as if there's still a great deal of doubt. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Berkowitz? No, Al, it's broken. We can't figure out why. Bill Berkowitz, Pacing Date. I have a question for Ms. Leondar right, and if I could ask you to clarify your understanding of the groups that support the substitute motion. What's your question, sir? I'm asking Ms. Leondar right if she could clarify her understanding of those groups that support the substitute motion. The substitute motion has been circulated by e-mail to the membership of the Friends of Spipon Park, the Arlington Belmont crew team, and the Spipon Committee of Vision 2020. So we've been collecting electronic votes and it has overwhelming support from those three groups. I haven't heard any dissenting votes. The concerns were about the idea of a no-wake zone around Elizabeth Island. There were a lot of concerns about that, but we seem to have positive input about the no-wake zone by Spipon Park. Thank you. In this context, I would recommend that we support the substitute. Thanks very much. Thank you, Mr. Berkowitz. Mr. Cook? Grant Cook, Pacing Six. I so much want to move the question and all of them into later matters. All right, we have a second to terminate debate, but you're not supposed to make any obstaneous comments. Just the magic words. We have a motion to terminate debate in the article. All in favor, please say yes. Yes. Opposed, say no. No. Okay, debate is terminated, in my opinion. We have before us the substitute motion. Mr. Zimmer? You all have it. It's to put the no-wake zone in front of Spipon Park. All in favor of the substitute motion, please say yes. Yes. Opposed, say no. No. Well, someone yelled something besides no. Let's have the no again. No. You know, someone yelled something besides no. That messes me up. You've got to just say the words I ask, please. No. All opposed, please say no. No. It is a regular bylaw. This isn't zoning, right? In my opinion, it's a positive vote. Okay, that closed the article 17. Oh, excuse me. You're right. We now have the main motion, the main up the vote as substituted by Mr. Zimmer's motion. All in favor, please say yes. Yes. Opposed, say no. No. My opinion is now positive vote and it's so substituted. Thank you. That now brings us to all these postponements. I'm making it hard for me. Number 26. We're down with 26. 24 is postponed to 511 26. We just did that for us to number 30. Home rule legislation exempt of newly hired non public safety town employees from civil service. Mr. I'd like to have Karen Malloy come talk to this article. Yes, Miss Malloy is a town employee is allowed to do so. Hi, Karen Malloy, director of personnel. I just wanted to comment very briefly on this before you start. Hopefully short debate on this. I wanted to explain that what we're doing here is a very narrow action. It would affect about a dozen positions that are so called labor service positions. And when we put forth the warrant article, one of the first things we did is we reached out to our bargaining unit, AFSCME, and all of the positions affected are part of the AFSCME bargaining unit. And AFSCME and the town council, Juliana Rice and I worked, we worked together collectively and came up with something that the union felt that they could endorse. And additionally, I just wanted to say that the equal opportunity advisory committee who is charged with ensuring fair and equitable hiring practices in the town is also in favor of this. And the simple change would be that persons appointed to these positions would be hired on the basis of merit rather than the current roster system. And if you have any questions, I'm here. Are there any questions? Okay. Before I entertain your questions, I'm going to make the ARB is going to hold an emergency motion because two of the members are non-town meeting members. So in order to keep in compliance with the open meeting law, they're going to go outside and have a meeting right now. So, bye. Mr. Stryfielder, I believe you had your hand up. And Mr. Judd. Mark Stryfielder, precinct 20. I don't understand what the current roster system is and I'm not too familiar with civil service and I'm hoping that somebody can explain. Either Mr. Maloy or Mr. Sullivan, whoever wants to address it. Okay. So there are two kinds of civil service. There's official service, which is administered by the state. And then there's labor service that it's administered by the town. And when you want to come in and sign up for a labor service position, you simply need to come up and show a driver's license and you get on a list. And when I have a vacancy in, say, a position like grounds maintenance worker, I have to go to my roster system that I've administered and have these list of names. And I put them in order that they signed up on the list. And I need to appoint people in the order that they signed up on the list unless I have reason to not do that. And civil service is you take a test, you get qualified, and then you're on another list to be hired and promoted based upon that. Is that correct? That's correct for official service titles. But I think it's just a side note that the state has an administered test for non-public safety positions for about 10 years. Labor service positions don't require any examination. Thank you. Mr. Judd, did you wish to speak? Well, I'm in Judd, Prisik, Nguyen. I understand what the word miracle means, but how is it to be determined? Is there going to be some minimum standards, you know, high school diploma or anything like that? And naturally a quarry report, background check. But as I say, I would like to know if there's any solid way of determining the merit. We have detailed position descriptions that explain what the requirements of the positions are, what the experience is, and a similar system would be used that we make for every other non-civil service position in the town when we evaluate it. We use the position description as the foundation. Sounds good. The only question I have is because we are going to be leaving the civil service list behind because of the inefficiency of the state and perhaps of the town and administering the civil service laws and regulations. Will the employee have any protection against being summarily dismissed other than being a member of the labor union, which I don't necessarily favor? Okay. So I just want to restate that what I think is really important, what I like about what's proposed before you, it's very narrow. But if enacted by the legislature, it will allow us to appoint people into these civil service positions and they would still enjoy civil service protections once they are appointed. They would have union protection as well, but they still would have civil service protection. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other further questions? Sir? Alan Reddy precinct 16. Would the criteria that's being used to hire somebody off this list, is that going to be maintained as a public document so that somebody could identify why one person was hired and another person was not hired? And the reason I ask the question is as bizarre though it may seem, just being able to sign up on a request, does provide those applicants with some confidence that there's not favoritism involved in who would be selected? So is there going to be a process that's going to be documented and can then be examined? I hadn't considered as far as what type of information I would provide to the people who may not be selected in the future, but I've had a consistent practice of providing open feedback, explaining perhaps what made the candidate who got the position get the position. I understand your point about there being documented reasons. I would also argue though that at times that can be part of the process that makes it rather demoralizing for everybody because if I don't choose the first person on the list I have to explain why I didn't choose that person on that list. And I think it's cumbersome and can be a bit demoralizing so I don't know if I can give you an empirical answer to that but I do have a consistent practice where if people say, you know, hey, what happened there, I can say, well, you know, these are the qualifications that really made the candidate who got the job get the job. Answer your question, sir. Anyone else wish to speak to the article? Seeing none. It's a home legislation so let's first take a voice vote and then we'll see if we have to have a standing vote. All in favor of the proposed vote as printed in your report please say yes. Opposed say no. Okay, we have to have a standing vote. All in favor please rise. Ms. Mahan? 10. 10 up front. Mr. Schlickman on the left. 34. Mr. Conner? 45. Mr. Tremblay? 28. 38. 38. 38. 38. 38. 34. 34. All opposed please rise. Ms. Mahan? 0. 0 up front. Mr. Schlickman? 3. 3. Mr. Conner? 1. 1. Mr. Tremblay? 2. 2. Mr. Horowitz? 5. 5. 5. It passes 161 to 11. Brings us to article 31, Home Regulation Group Insurance Commission. Last time meeting, the Board of Selectmen would like to table this resolution to make. We ask your indulgence. We know there are a lot of people that would like to speak about it. But there are things that are going on that I can't comment on. That would be really helpful if we could table this at this time. Thank you for your indulgence. Okay. So we want this motion to table, which is just put it on the table, and it's not going to come back at any specific date, just some time in the future. We have a second all in favor of tabling. Please say yes. Yes. Opposed say no. No. My opinion it is tabled. There's no such thing. Read your time meeting time. There's no such thing as point of information. That brings us to article 32. What do you want, Mr. Judd? They've tabled the article. There's nothing to talk about. That is correct. Motion of the table is not debatable. I just have to ask you, if it's a motion is on the table, anyone can bring it off the table. Is that correct? Technically, yes. Well, I just wonder then if a postponement might make more sense. No, because they wanted to table it, and it's a courtesy. If someone tables the motion, you wait for that person to bring it off the table, because they had a specific reason for tabling it. So, unless someone is discourteous, they wouldn't do so. Now, can we move on to article 30? Having been in this town meeting for about 35 years, I've found more than a few discourteous people. That's why I'm trying to discourage discourteousness and congeniality among our town meeting members. Article 32. Now I'm confused. 32. Yes. Article 32 is about health reimbursement accounts. As you know, there's pending legislation on beacon hair about this matter. But this one article was brought forward to us by 10 registered voters. It run as a safeguard. This is for our 10 employees that have a major medical event where there are catastrophic costs involved. The town would like to put together these health reimbursement accounts to help with that. In my mind, and Marie doesn't know I'm going to call this, I call this the Kropalka Fund, and that's because of her son, Steven, her daughter-in-law, Heather, and her granddaughter last year, all having major medical issues at the very same time. So what we're trying to do for our employees is come up with some sort of fail-safe way, so they don't feel that were they to go into the GIC or another system that they would have out-of-pocket costs that are astronomical. The idea would be that there would be a fund set up of about $200,000 to handle this. And what I'd like to do now is introduce Barbara Goodman, who is the person that put the warrant article in front of us. She is a town resident, and if a town meeting would allow us I would like you to listen to Barbara Goodman. Ms. Goodman has the right to speak being a town resident of Arlington. Ms. Goodman. Thank you Clarissa, and I promise to be very polite. Thank you. I'm speaking on behalf of FY Arlington on this article. You have to put tell us your address. I should know that. 31 Walnut Street in Arlington. An HRA is a health reimbursement account. It's something that the employer puts aside for employees who may incur extraordinary health expenses. What is happening is that this very moment you're not allowed to have an HRA if you're in the GIC. The bill that was just passed by the house allows HRAs with GICs. But at this point in time it is not allowed. Why do we need an HRA? Under the GIC deductibles and copays for most employees would be minimal. But for some they would be substantial. About 5% of the subscribers to GIC can spend somewhere between $2,000 and $5,000 on their deductibles and copays. This money would be put aside to help those individuals. One of the major reasons why the union have not voted in this town and other towns is because of the extraordinary cost it could be to not all and not most but to some of their members. So where would the money come from? The savings that we would get if our employees went into the GIC. Last year they let a few as an experiment they let a few companies of towns go into the GIC. Brookline was one of them. Brookline put aside in 210 they put aside $5,000 in a fund for their employees after six months they only spent $25,000. Just remember it's for a small group of people who incur extraordinary expenses like your neighbor who could be right over there. So this is the three reasons why I think you should support this article. One health insurance should be should cover those extraordinary expenses. It shouldn't cover the small little stuff. It seems to me that we're doing things a little backwards. It's also the right thing to do for employees. It also eliminates one of the barriers for the unions to join the GIC. And also because I think it is a unifying factor in a very divisive issue. Mr. Tosti was next on the list. Very briefly, the finance committee heard the presentation by Barbara Goodman. And after discussing among ourselves consulting with other officials we unanimously voted in support of this. It makes a lot of sense. I think it tricks certain fears off of the table. And if you take those fears off the table quite often you can get a lot more cooperation and negotiations. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Tosti. Mr. Ruderman. The woman right behind Steven Gilligan. Yes. Hi, my name is Linda Hansen. I live at 11 Webster Street. And I've also been a teacher in this town for 11 years now. The fact that the GIC has no upper limit, no cap, has been a real problem. It has been a real sticking point. In terms of unions thinking about moving on to a plan like the GIC. I was speaking with Ken Donnelly the first night of town meeting. And it's a big issue for him too. He said, you know, it's the only state health care plan that does not have some kind of cap on it. Medicaid has a cap. Mass health has a cap. The GIC doesn't. And I hope that's not something that Arlington can do on its own. But I think if we throw our support behind it, we're going to get them to hopefully move in the right direction. And I just also want to personally thank Barbara Goodman, who is also an educator just for identifying a real issue that we can all come together on. And I think this is kind of a hard one to oppose. But I just really appreciate the way that she's worked collaboratively. And I think that's the spirit that we'd all like to move forward in. Thank you very much. Thank you, Ms. Hansen. Ms. LaCorte. Yes. Mr. McCrory. Hugh McCrory, precinct 20. I rise in support of this this article. I have one question. First of all, I also want to thank Barbara Goodman. I think it's a great idea. What's the guidelines between ordinary and extraordinary costs? I didn't quite understand that or I couldn't find that. Can you answer that, Ms. Goodman? It's something that the unions and the town manager could define. I mean, right now, I believe if somebody goes for an MRI, it could be $175. You do that twice and you have another family member. So it's defined by the contract. Okay, thank you. Do you wish to address that, Ms. She's Ms. Rose also going to give you an answer. Town council has just pointed this out to me under section one on page 15. It talks about the town may reimburse its subscribers for the cost of co-pays related to hospitalizations and day surgery through the use of the health reimbursement accounts. I guess that would also speak to the contract somehow. Mr. Smith, Dick Smith. Yes. Mr. Wagner. Thank you, Mr. Moderator, Carl Wagner, Precinct 11. I move the question. Motion to terminate debate. Is it seconded? All in favor of terminating debate, please say yes. Opposed say no. Okay, we have a debate is terminated. We have now a forced normal legislation. Group insurance commission reimbursement accounts. All in favor, please say yes. Opposed say no. Okay, because it's not unanimous. We're going to have a standing vote to tell the legislature how we feel. All in favor, please rise. Ms. Mahan up front. 11 up front. Mr. Schlickman on the left. 20. Okay, you won't like this. I thought it was 22. 39. Okay. 45. 38. 38. All approved, all opposed, please rise. Zero up front. Mr. O'Connor. Zero. Mr. Tremblay. Zero. Mr. Horowitz. Three in the negative and 174 in a positive three in the negative. It passes. That brings us to article 33. Another home rule legislation, wireless and ten of leases. Now this is a housekeeping item. So we can do it in 10 minutes, hopefully. For you all that were in town meeting in 1998, we voted on this, which is putting the wireless and ten of leases into a fund for our park and recreation commission. And the legislation on this has sunsetted. If that has gone into a sunset. And what this warrant article is doing is refiling the legislation so that we can once again put as much as $250,000 into our park and recreation resources. Thank you. Mr. Leonard. Thank you. A couple of questions if I could. Number one in the select ones report page 17 section 2 I'm wondering if this particular section does it allow for the grandfathering of existing wireless equipment that is already in. This is for the existing wireless equipment that is already in these locations. So I mean in a sense it shows up at the top of the page three particular locations. I just wanted to make sure that existing wireless were also included. Okay. Second of the part of the page where it mentions $250,000 I wonder how that figure was arrived at. Why not have more going to the funds for the town the fields etc. I think Ms. Rice has some explanation for us. Thank you Mr. Moderator. Not explanation but just historically that's what was adopted by this town meeting in 1997 and became part of the legislation. And the warrant article just seeks to refile that same legislation so I can't say how that figure was arrived at. Thirdly in the article itself it mentions for the erection of wireless antennas are other related structures. I'm wondering could somebody elaborate on what other structures we could be talking about? Mr. Sullivan. This would be any structures related to those wireless antennas. Excuse me. I didn't understand sir. Say it again. This would be any structures related to those wireless antennas to secure them. So it's clear that it's not just a wireless antenna or any structures or brackets in order to put it on the building. Thank you. I would like to know which of those three actually have wireless equipment at them now? Mr. Sullivan, can you tell us? Just the central fire station. Only that one. Do we know how much money we're taking in a year from that lease? $31,007. I guess what I'd also like to know is what would happen if this happened? Those funds would go into the general fund. But we still could sign a long term lease. Can anyone explain why if the antennas are located at the central fire station or say the high school, why the funds aren't going to the fire department or the school department? Ms. Rowe is raising her hand. I think she wants to give that a stab. This is the history of the article and thank you, Mrs. Rice, in 1997. The specific areas were not discussed until later. And there was great concern among the open space advocates, myself included, that the parks would be targeted for large cell towers. So in order to placate people like myself, we went into the park and recreation resources. And that's the history of why it went in there even though now it's just at the central fire station. So it was a compromise that was reached because we were concerned about having a lot of cell towers in the parks, which were the only publicly owned space as it turns out. The central fire station is much more suited for the kind of public space. Thank you. I guess I'm thinking it's based on my own knowledge of where cell phone antennas go in. And also the zoning bylaw. Arlington does not allow what are called monopole antennas for cell phone installations. And the only types of poles that you can put them on are existing poles that are already, or poles that are used for other purposes. And it's under fairly strict regulations. And it's fairly limited. So you see in situations like at Herdfield, there are quite a few antennas on the top of the Drake Village buildings because the housing authority actively markets those buildings as a place to put cell phone antennas. I can't imagine anyone ever wanting to put one on Herdfield simply because there's no place to do it and they couldn't do it under the existing zoning. So if you were to put one on Herdfield instead of the general fund instead of this dedicated account, would the amount that they recommend to town meeting to be spent on parks and recreation be any different? Mr. Tosti, have you guys considered that question? No. We haven't considered it an issue. I think the last most of the money from this fund goes into the capital budget on that particular account. So that's the process we've used to fund the upkeep. And I think if you go back into the history and go back 10 years or 15 years and you take a look at the condition of our fields, they were really fairly pathetic. It's only been in the last let's say 15 years that there was a study done and that we have systematically rebuilt parks to try to bring them up to the standard and I think this antenna fund has helped in a small way to maintain it. So it's simply become part of the process. Thank you. I'm going to recommend that town meeting vote against this article simply because it's an article whose time is passed. And one thing to remember when this article was first passed, I don't believe the town could lease facilities for more than 10 years. Now they can lease them for up to 30 years. So you needed to make sure that the finance committee and the in town meeting can vote the appropriate level of funds for parks and recreation facilities. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Loretty. Mr. Chappett. Thank you, Mr. moderator. Roland Chappett, patient 12. Just a couple of comments here. Perhaps some of you had been around back five or six years ago when there was a proposal on telephone wise. They were shoebox style. The great concept. A few cities around the country adopted them. They never really worked very well. They were essentially to collapse the size of a cell. And they were relatively inexpensive to install. Unfortunately, the company out of Wubin Mass, at least locally, never raised enough financing to make the thing happen. But to answer the question about the regulations that were covered under this regulation that happened to have been one that came later, but in terms of the state of the art, it was really quite good. It was too bad it didn't go further. I have another question similar to what the previous speaker talked about and that really was a concern that I had that the money that we do take in actually does go to parks and recreation. I think the chairman of the finance community responded fairly well. I couldn't find it in the material that I had including the finance report. And I found a number of 110,000 so maybe he can figure that one out as opposed to the 31. What I really was concerned about is the money going towards that particular function which was to support parks and recreation in the community. Mr. Tosti? The money is generally not used every year. It's only 31,000. So generally Mr. Foskets sort of allows to accumulate and then uses it for a significant project. I am fairly sure I don't have last year's capital report with me, but I am fairly sure that this was one of the revenue sources in part here, but again I don't have it with me, but that's the way it's been used. We've just reached the end of the legislation that it was based for, we've reached the end of it. So this is basically to renew it for another period of time. Thank you. Mr. Jamison, you're next. Thank you, Mr. Moderator Gordon Jamison, Precinct 12. The revenues are about $32,000. Is this treated? I have two questions on the balance and the fund itself. What is the current balance in the fund and is it treated as a revolving fund? Mr. Sullivan is going to try it. Mr. Tosti is figuring it out. Go ahead, Mr. Sullivan. I just got to say I have the number somewhere here on my pile of paper I can pull out, but this is not treated as a revolving fund by town meaning for the original purpose parks open spaces. Mr. Tosti, do you have the balance of that fund? In the capital plan that's been handed out prior to this, this is the 2011 capital plan that you'll be voting on, they are using $110,000 of antenna funds. I assume that they're basically using the balance. Mr. Tosti, if I may continue while you're up here. Through the moderator, do you know of any time when Mr. Sullivan, do we know of any time in the recent past when any of these funds have been returned to the general fund because the $250,000 limit has been exceeded? I would say absolutely not. It's the same thing you'll see in some of the revolving funds, there's a very high amount of money but the actual amount of money coming in is way below that. It's the same thing here. We didn't know how many of these were going to be done so if somebody picked a number or anything above $250,000, because what happens if you have millions of dollars coming in? You don't want it to all go into recreation. We'd have some dynamite fields but you want to put a cap that's the most that we'll do and that's the logic of having a very high cap meaning of cheers like the town manager said is 30, 35,000. Okay. I want to thank the people who have spoken from behind me on this. It's been very helpful. I've always wondered what this fund was and how it operated and we had a chance tonight to learn about that. I hope that the manager will go forth in his good graces and triple it so that we have funds coming in from all three locations and we have $100,000 a year in the parks and playgrounds in our town. Thank you very much and I urge support of the motion of the article. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Hanna. Yep, Bill. Bill Hanna, precinct two. Through the chair, would the town manager just answer does this tower or anything cost the town anything to have? Mr. Sullivan is going to answer? No, it does not. Thank you. We are not all supporting this and pass it quickly. It's money coming in. We're hurting for money. It doesn't cost us a cent. I urge you full support. Thank you. Okay, we're going to have Mr. Judd then we're going to take our break. Liman Judd, precinct nine. Two questions for the town council. First question would be does this article in any way limit the actions of the Arlington Housing Authority? This is a side comment. They have the tallest buildings in town as we have already know there are some antennas already in place and this is strictly as far as I know within the purview of the Arlington Housing Authority. So I just want to make sure that this is not going to have an unintended consequence. Mr. Rice, this won't affect the housing authority and their ability to lease out their buildings at all, correct? It will not. And the other question at the very end, Section 3, this act shall take effect upon its passage. Will that actually happen or do we have to wait for the state legislature to act? By passage what that language means is passage by the legislature. Thank you. Okay, it's 927. We're going to take a 10-minute break. The high school girls are selling goodies for everybody and the Veterans Affairs is selling shirts and hats out front in order to support the memorial wall that was here last week. I've urged you to support both. Thank you. But also, I'm interested, the Bruins are in the third period, 13 minutes left and it's two to two. Next on our list is Mr. Wagner. Thank you, Mr. moderator, Carl Wagner. Mr. Wagner has the floor. Please quiet. Come on and sit down and be quiet. Thank you, Mr. moderator, Carl Wagner, Precinct 11. I move that we terminate debate. We have a motion to terminate debate. Seconded. All in favor, terminate from debate. Please say yes. Opposed? Debate is terminated. We have the fourth home over legislation. Let's try it in the first instance. All in favor, please say yes. Opposed say no. All in favor, please rise. Same tellers. Front nine. Mr. Horowitz. 32 on the right. 32. Mr. Schlickman. 25 on the left. Mr. O'Connor. 36 and Mr. Tremblay. All in favor, please rise. Mahana front. 0. Mr. Schlickman. 1. Mr. O'Connor. 0. Mr. Tremblay. 3. Mr. Horowitz reports 2. So we have 6 in the negative. 136 to 6. It passes. You can tell our legislatures. 36. That brings us to article 34. Pay as you throw. Mr. moderator in town meeting. I'm asking if you would table article 34 and 35, which are the pay as you throw articles. We have a second. Mr. Haynes. Is there a second? We have a second. All in favor of tabling the articles, please say yes. Yes. Opposed? No. My opinion, both articles are tabled. 34 and 35 are tabled. It brings us to article 36. Transfer of real estate Maple Street. Board of select committee and the Fincom both report no action. All in favor of no action, please say yes. All opposed? No action. Article 37. Disposal of real estate 23 Maple Street. Board of select committee and the Fincom both say no action. All in favor? Opposed? No actions taken on that article. That brings us to article 38. Disposition of real estate parliament to school. Mr. Tusty is on the list. Yes. Mr. moderator in town meeting. As you know, Charlie Foskett, could not be here tonight. We would like to postpone articles 38 and 39 on the Parmeter School and Crosby School to sorry, this coming Wednesday 9th 4th. Mr. Foskett be available then? We have your postponing or tabling? Please state your motion again. Postponing until this coming Wednesday. 38 and 39, you want to postpone until Wednesday May 4th. All in favor? Please say yes. Opposed say no. My opinion they both are postponed to Wednesday May 4th. Brings us to article 40. Have a Board of select committee vote of no action. All in favor of no action? Please say yes. All opposed? No action is taken on the article. All in favor of no action? Please say yes. All opposed? No action is taken on the article. Article 42. Replace brick entrance to 27 Maple Street Board of Selectments report no action. All in favor of no action? Please say yes. Mr. Fiori, are you submitting a substitute motion? You can't talk about it unless you have a substitute. Does anyone have a substitute? Nope. All in favor of no action on article 42? Please say yes. All opposed? No action on article 42. Article 43. Vote annual reserve fund. Fincom says no action. Any substitute motions? Okay. All in favor of no action on article 43? Please say yes. No action. Article 44. A Mentown Manager Consolidation Some sort of huge vote. I think it's the Board of Selectment or the Town Government Reorg Committee. They both seem to have the same vote. Board of Selectment is going to address this in their supplemental report. Yes. Do you want to speak to it? Mr. Tosti is going to speak to it. Okay. Let me go through the report of the Town Government Reorganization Committee. This was given to you the last week. Now the actual votes are in the Board of Selectments report with one exception where we'll be putting forth a substitute motion. On article 49. In our vote on page 6 we'll be putting forth that as a substitute motion. Actually on page 7. The Town Government Reorganization Committee was created by this town meeting body two years ago. We were starting to hit some severe crises. The economy was falling apart. State revenues were drying up. If state revenues dry up, a local aid drops up. Former Town Manager John Billifer decided to put in an article creating the Town Government Reorganization Committee. He patterned it pretty well after a committee that was created in 1981 right after the passage of Proposition 2.5. That committee created it go through the details now but it created and went through several areas that eventually got done including consolidated telephone systems and wiring and several other areas. Over the years there have been several other consolidations including the payroll system which was a consolidation worked out between Mr. Billifer and Kay Donovan and Superintendent of Schools very well now. There was a further consolidation created between the Town Manager and the Superintendent of Schools at that time on an IT department that again has been working well and Mr. Billifer thought we could do it again. So you created this committee I don't know if too many people are here right now but included Annie LeCourt or Selecman Stephen Gilligan our treasurer in the back John Leone the guy at the front Ruth Lewis our controller myself John Warden a former town moderator John Billifer former treasurer Don Marquis was the former Town Manager was also on it Kathy Bodie Superintendent of Schools Kenneth Hughes a former town employee Ted Paluso was appointed by the Board of Selecman Michelle Berry Denise Burns was the appointee from the school committee who was replaced by Jeff Thielman after that so we started work about two years ago we met on a monthly basis within a couple of meetings it was decided that certain issues would be considered sort of off campus or would not be discussed but it was focused on anything involving elected town officials and I think if you looked at our committee that time probably half the committee wanted to make changes the other half of the committee was dead set against it and I think it was a realization that if we ever tried to do something in that particular area we wouldn't get anywhere so that area by vote of the committee was decided not to enter into we then proceeded to go through we looked at regionalization, public safety functions town and school functions such as legal, personnel, financial accounting, purchasing we interviewed many town officials sat down for long interviews I'm sure some of the town officials thought they were entirely too long but we tried to get as much feedback as areas and after a considerable study it was determined that most beneficial changes could come in the consolidation of some town school functions now two of our recommendations were actually adopted by the school committee and the superintendent over the last six months and that was the recommendation to have a consolidated collective bargaining council so both the town and the school could have more of a coordinated approach when dealing with collective bargaining and the school committee voted to hire the same council collective bargaining council that was used by the town and again that seems to be very successful in allowing a more consolidated approach to that the other area that has happened over the last several months is the hiring of a human resource employee by the school department in consolidation or cooperation with the town manager and the personnel director of the town and the three of them worked together to hire the best person with the hope that eventually this will lead towards a consolidated human resource department which is actually the first article so the articles that are coming online include the consolidated town school human resource department a public annual financial report amendment of the town manager act for submission of detailed budgets an establishment of a town economic advisory and to see if the town, we asked the town to extend this for one more year to continue the implementation of some of these now if I could just go on to the first article article 44 is the proposed amendment to the town manager act for a consolidated town school human resource department now why are we looking in this I think we've come to the conclusion that if you don't have an effective professional personnel, a human resource function, one can get in all kinds of trouble now I'm not going to go into any past details or any past events but I think maybe some of you could guess I think that you need to have this expertise and sometimes we want to cut the administration cut administration, well sometimes we just cut too much administration and when you lose a certain amount of expertise that can really come back to haunt you in a big way and a very expensive way so we think there are, we have a very effective personnel function on the town side what we want to do is propose to build upon that so if you take a look at the selectman's report there's four sections there let me just go through those four sections basically it is to delete sections 24 and 24a of the town manager act and replace them with a new 24 and 24a now in drafting up a lot of this we kept the language generally the same we changed it from personnel department to a human resource department generally speaking I think the manager can verify this and others human resource department is the more modern term the more correct term it implies a broader role of the human resource director rather than strictly personnel or hiring functions so we think it's proper there and I think in section 24 the first paragraph pretty well parallels it we do make one change is that we have a town manager act and all of the department heads of the town are appointed by the town manager the selectman do not get involved in that function with one exception and that is the today's personnel director it's the only function where the selectman are involved in the appointment they've never reject to it never they've ever been wrong but if we're going to be consistent with our town manager act the town manager act should appoint the human resource director current personnel director without having to go through the board of select points the fire chief the police chief public works directors all the other functions so we're trying to bring this in consistent the board of selectman had no problem with that the second paragraph all town appointing authorities shall process the hiring of staff through the town human resource department now this deals with a lot of other departments that are not under the control of the town manager deals with the treasurer collector deals with the board of the assessor the controller the selectman and what this basically says is the appointing authorities shall process the hiring of staff through the human resource so they go to the human resource director I want to hire this person they work together on creating a job description requirements so it's consistent with all the other job jobs within the town decide on the requirements the human resource director then posts it within the town puts it in publications that are relevant for that position brings in all the applications puts them in line and then turns them over with comments or not comments to the appointing authorities so this does not take away any power of the appointing authorities to make the final decision they still have that authority but it uniforms it makes a uniform hiring process that they have to go through and I think again that's very important today there's all kinds of regulations on hiring practices that you know a professional personnel director would know that individual department heads might not know again I think it could go towards keeping people out of trouble the third paragraph under the school upon the school department as provided by chapter 30 71 37 M and the mass general laws votes to consolidate with those of the town the duties described above relating to the school department are subject to review and approval by the superintendent of schools the town manager shall seek input from the superintendent of schools rating to the appointment and performance evaluation of the director so first of all it is entirely up to the school department whether to join this or not that's the way the statute works we're not changing this just puts it in a frame and the school department decides to join in I think they will move in this direction both the superintendent and school committee seems to be going that way then the superintendent of schools will have a major role in this so I think it so both the manager and the superintendent will work on this and the final one is the human resource board that pretty well is the same as it exists now really don't change it much again except taking the board of selection out of that and just having an appointment with the town manager positions going through here almost exclusively town positions so it just didn't see a reason to get that in so I think this is a good first step need to get an amendment to the town manager act once we get an amendment to the town manager act approved they will move to the second step which is to bring the bylaws into conformity and the details and work on that that's not this year's project that's next year's project so that is the recommendation of the town government reorganization committee and we have the support of both the board of select and who will speak next and of the finance committee finance committee unanimously voted to endorse or support the recommendation of the board of select if you have any questions be happy to answer it we hope that you'll support it thank you thank you Mr. Tosti Mr. Heiner excuse me did you want to address it is the board of selectman no okay Mr. Heiner Bill Heiner precinct 2 full disclosure I'm a member of the school committee but I am only speaking as a citizen not a member of the school committee quick question when you talked about all town appointing authority shall process hiring and so is that mainly the paperwork that you're talking about it was the second section Mr. Tosti yes we're basically talking the paperwork developing the job description putting out the hiring publicizing bringing the applications in putting them in some kind of order reviewing them and then turning them over to the appointing authority for a final decision this will only for the schools that will only take place when the schools vote to okay not saying the schools will vote or not vote but hypothetically if they do vote to be part of this the job descriptions will still be within the school department am I correct I have two concerns the job description and the actual all applications should be coming through the processing the paperwork I think that part of consolidation is not all supportive but the job description should be in my opinion with the appointing authority or in this case the school department who best knows what they need and the second part is that all applications that qualify with the parameters for the job should be forwarded to the school not gleaned by another outside authority I anticipate that the way this will work out is that there will be an assistant and the manager and the superintendent have got to work out the details but I anticipate that there will be an assistant human resource director for schools and my anticipation is that that person will actually work on the sixth floor and so the person will be working with the schools but also with the human resource direction so that for example personnel policies will be consistent across the town that type of thing I don't think this will take any authority away from the superintendent of schools and the hiring and all that never but it could allow for some consistency and allow for a greater depth of expertise the hiring aspect of the teachers goes to the each building principal that's by statute the other question I have is that the human resource board does have any positions I don't believe they're paid for now no they're not thank you miss Phelps pardon me I have a question under the section 24 of this third from the last line it says one of the duties of the director will be to maintain employee records within the school department employee records include the evaluations that have done on all teachers there are laws at this point which control who can see those records and who can't see them is this going to be a problem because those records really are under the control of the superintendent and not open to anyone but the person that was evaluated and the superintendent to see them or they're sensitive in the time that there is such thing as a grievance of something going on I don't see that that would be any problem like I mentioned before I would anticipate that the assistant director for human resources for schools would be located on the sixth floor and all of the records would be located there I'm sure that the superintendent of schools would not allow anything to be done to violate any of those laws or confidentiality certainly our current human resource director knows that so no, I don't see any of that changing I think those records will probably still be on the sixth floor but it will add probably to both town and school but especially the schools a larger amount of expertise in the human services area and places to go for additional expertise but I anticipate those records would still be on the sixth floor but I just have a problem with the fact that this is a amendment act that we're amending the town managers act and in this amendment we're saying the duty of the director will be to maintain those employee records and I believe that's not in compliance with state law at this point but this is like the town managers has responsibilities over a lot of different departments that doesn't mean that actual work takes place in the town managers department I think what the human resource department is the director will have certain overall responsibilities but that the assistant director and the work will work directly with the superintendent and those records will be in the schools and the work will be done a lot of there but there'll just be more consolidation and more coordination between those functions I don't think I would feel is better if it wasn't that the director would maintain those employee records but that those employee records would not be under the control of the director but would stay with the departments but the director has the responsibility doesn't necessarily mean that they're in her office it could be in another office which would be better if it was under the superintendent on the sixth floor thank you Mr. Phelps Mr. Dunn Dan Dunn precinct 21 scores tied to two they just went to overtime I'm rising in support of this article I wasn't on the board when this vote was taken if I was I would have voted yes then one of the things that comes up when you talk to people either on the finance committee on the board of select women as we possibly could and I get to say most of the time I think we are there's some things we could always do a little bit better but in general we work really hard at it this is one of those articles not just one of this but the whole string I'm not going to repeat myself for each one of these articles but for this particular one and you know you can put me as a footnote for the next several of them this is the way we save our money this is the way we streamline ourselves and this is the way we go to voters and say yes we're doing as much as we can thank you Mr. Court Annie LeCourt, precinct 15 I'd just like to add my thoughts to Mr. Dunn's as an IT person I spend a lot of time working in organizations where I am providing services to lots of different departments for very desperate reasons I don't generally work for those departments I work for somebody else and I have to figure out how to sort of spread myself among them and deal with my different constituencies but in organizations where what happens is that that function gets split into silos what happens in those organizations is you have a lot of uncoordinated effort that makes you very inefficient systems don't talk to each other etc etc I happen to believe that all these kinds of common functions personnel, IT finance work like that and that you're going to get your most lean and efficient and skilled organization out of consolidating them into one department and then designing that department to make sure that the very disparate needs of each of these appointing authorities are met by the skill set you develop amongst the personnel that you hire in the personnel department the other thing that happens when we all these things and it particularly happens between the schools and the town is that if the school's personnel function is entirely separate they're going to have to hire somebody at a certain salary level and that's going to be a much higher salary level than if that person is the assistant director and is working with Ms. Malloy and has Ms. Malloy's expertise and back up in human resources to support them in that position and to help themselves having to be at her level so although it's not really the point of this the point of this is to be sure that there is a human resource function for the schools not someone who does the paperwork but someone who is there to help guide around regulation make sure we're following all the rules be there for the employees as the person they can go to when they feel like there's some trouble, someone who will understand all the contracts but also that that person can we can take advantage of getting all of that function without having to have two chiefs and so we're doing it our most efficient and least cost least expensive level so I strongly support this article and I hope that you will strongly support it and I hope that you will support ongoing efforts to continue to locate these kinds of organizational restructuring efforts that will make us run leaner and meaner and be able to put more of our effort into our line employees who are providing the services and fewer resources into maintaining separate siloed administrative functions. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Tosti did you have a comment? It has been suggested to me that there needs to be a comma so if we take a look at the Board of Selectments supplementary report which sort of squeezed all three paragraphs into one the section 24 fourth line up that starts superintendent of schools so you go to superintendent of schools and add a comma so it sort of divides off those two things so again one third line up superintendent of schools add a comma. Do I understand? It reads the sentence would be and approved by the superintendent of schools comma and the town manager seek input from the superintendent of schools it's just administratively add the comma in there so we're not going to have to vote on it. The next person on the list was Mr. Jamison Thank you Mr. Mayor. If I read this vote correctly it states it implies that currently the independent authorities do their own hiring like the clerk and the treasurer and the assessors is that the case? Mr. Tosti is that your interpretation that the article is submitted? Yes they can. We have it. So for example I know the treasurer collector will go through the personnel director So what is current practice for the assessors office, clerk's office and treasurer's office? I haven't gone through each one of those but whatever the current practice is whether they do it themselves or through the human resource I think it's a matter of policy that all hiring should go through one point so that we have consistent standards as far as advertising and creation of job descriptions that are consistent from one to the end so the fact that some do and some don't I find irrelevant, I think we should have a policy which means everybody does. I'm trying to understand what we're changing current policy perhaps Ms. Malloy could answer this Is current policy that the clerk's office, assessor's office and treasurer's office use the personnel office or not? Mr. Sullivan did you have an answer to that? I believe it says Mr. Toskey described that they use the personnel office in terms of developing a standard advertising format that consult with the personnel department in terms of developing the job description and bringing in the resumes but the ultimate decision is by the independent appointing authorities So what I heard is for those authorities and for the town there will be no change we pass this other than it's the formal policy versus something we actually do now it'll be formalized policy so the real question is whether the schools are going to do this because that's where the big savings are going to be can we have someone speak to that? I mean that's the $64,000 question Mr. Tosti has the schools giving you an indication of there about the superintendent representative schools and the school committee have representation on it they have both voted in favor of all these resolutions or all these proposals and the superintendent specifically worked with the manager and the personnel director in the hiring of her new human resource employee so I believe that the school department will be on board to take a formal vote of any kind Thank you that's very helpful because all the discussion before this danced around that important issue so my vision is being something similar to when I had to hire a research technician when I was running a lab at a public equal opportunity compliant university in Ohio where this office I assume Ms. Malloy might be the director would act as the intake just like people describe for the town clerk and assessors so they would be able to advertise they would help standardize job descriptions meaning minimum and preferred standards that allow someone to hire within appropriate standards so we don't do some illegal hiring and the other thing advantage is potentially whether or not some people are concerned about where the records are I have no concerns about that personally because a human resource office is a human resource office and whether or not there's a satellite office of the schools and a main office here the nice potential benefit I see is that people will come and apply for a job they see a advertise but there may be another job that they may be better qualified that may better serve the town so I think this is a great thing and I thank everyone for their clarifications and I support the motion thank you. Thank you Mr. Mr. Tully. Joe Tully Precinct 14 this is not an area with which I have a whole lot of expertise I'm trying to glean not only what's happening on the face of this article but what's going on of what are the undercurrents by listening to the debate here with no disrespect to Mr. Tosti I understand that Mrs. Phelps had a question and I think his answer was more or less trust us it won't happen I'm wondering if perhaps the town council could address those concerns my understanding was there was a concern about a commingling of one department that is the domain of the school side with the domain on the town side the mere location of certain records on the sixth floor of the high school versus town hall is not going to I think overcome the personal dynamics of one individual that has to report to another individual in my case if my supervisor my workplace demands to see certain items that I'm working on he's going to get to see them regardless of whether they're located in his office my office down the hall or in the archives and I'm sort of guessing that that was where Mrs. Phelps was going although I don't want to speak for her is there anything that the town council could add to that piece of information to help us out Mr. Rice can you speak to record retention and privacy issues thank you Mr. moderator certainly our current personnel director is very familiar with a wide variety of state and federal laws pertaining to privacy and the sanctity of personnel records and none of that would change if this change to the town manager act were made certainly all personnel directors have to be very cognizant of many sources of law that apply to the sanctity of both personnel records and other types of records and I don't see any conflict in those existing laws and the proposed change to the town manager act before town meeting now thank you Mr. Tosti do you have something to add to further clarify that answer I think what I didn't want to say trust me I'm saying is that nothing is going to happen with the consolidation as far as the schools joining into this without the superintendent and school committees approval and so I'm saying it's their responsibility to protect what goes on in their department and they have the full authority they could join and if they don't like it they could pull out again so I'm saying is that's up to the specific details of this is up for the superintendent and the town manager to negotiate it out and I'm sure one of the priorities of the superintendent will be to protect certain prerogatives. Thank you Mr. Telly, Mr. Wagner. Thank you Mr. Mardere or Carl Wagner precinct 11 I respectfully move that we terminate debate and vote the question. Motion to terminate debate I'll take a terminating debate please say yes yes okay debate is terminated in my opinion it's a two-thirds vote we have enforced the recommended vote which is home rule so let's take a vote in the first instance all in favor please say yes opposed say no okay we're going to have a standing vote so we can tell the legislature how much we like all in favor please say yes please rise Ms. Mahan up front 29 Mr. Horowitz puts 29 Mr. Tremblay right center 31 Mr. O'Connor 37 Mr. Schlickman 26 26 all opposed please rise 0 up front 2 1 4 9 16 it's a vote in the affirmative 133 to 16 it passes 133 to 16 that brings us to article 4 sir what purpose do you rise as long as you're precinct 9 I just wondered if administratively in this book here we see on the 3rd and 4th line what is the superintendent should it not be superintendent of schools what are you trying to tell us I'm wondering if the term superintendent by itself is not precise enough and should be superintendent of schools I think it's self evident that we're talking about that Mr. Tosti it's your emotion what do you think about that page 23 line 4 3 and 4 he wants to say superintendent of schools everywhere just a superintendent do you want to say that I don't see where it doesn't say it but I think we're wasting our time yeah we're all good thank you article 45 recommend a vote of no action please say yes all opposed say no sorry article 46 by law amendment the annual financial report recommend a vote Mr. Tosti what purpose do you rise organization on this article oh okay but we do have no actions but keep it brief I'm sort of juggling too many things one of the things important and why we're moving ahead on this administratively we'll bring this back to you probably next year and that is the one of the goals of any governmental entity is to tell the people how they spend their money and generally speaking government in this country does a really lousy job of doing that the federal government does a lousy job the state does a lousy job and we don't do a great job now for us that should be pretty simple I mean you see the police officers going by in their cars you see the fire stations you see public works but we really don't tell the people this is where the money comes from and this is how we spend it and that's the whole purpose of this and myself and Steve Gilligan the treasured collective conference where all this was being described and one of the things they said was if it's more than four pages nobody's going to read it so we're going to put together or we have put together a sample which is in the back of the report for the town government the organization committee report a four pager which will be going out in the mail on the first quarter tax bills in June at the end of June and this will be something like what's this four pager and if you have any comments or feedback he's giving a report sir I'm sorry they're mentioning what the heck are you talking for I'm trying to explain that you're giving a report under your town government reorganization committee right I'm just giving the logic of what we're doing and why we're doing it and why there's no action vote on this so any feedback we would appreciate either the town manager's office or Mr. Gilligan's office on comments on the four page report which is at the end of the town government reorganization committee report to you and they're going to put this out at the end of June I'm going to get it to as many citizens as possible we're going to try to tell the citizens where the money comes from for the town budget how that money gets spent how it varies over a period of years, comparisons, things like that and then from now on hopefully the minute the town audit gets finished will publish this and put it out probably every February we can reduce maybe the number of town reports that get printed to help pay for this put it in with the tax bills so there's no extra postage and we think it'll do a good job again on telling the people where the money comes from and where it gets spent now at this point we're trying to experiment the treasurer and town manager's offices are working on this that we put out at the end of June so everybody thinks it's a great idea we might come back to you next year with a bylaw to make it permanent but it is at this point we don't say any reason to have a bylaw for this therefore we're recommending no action on the report thank you all in favor no action please say yes opposed no action on the article article 47 I'm going to town manager act budget submissions Mr. Tosti okay budget submissions right now the way the town manager act reads and hopefully you've had a chance to read the report so I won't just repeat it the way the town manager act reads is on or about the second day of January the town manager shall submit all of his budgets to the board of select and all the members of the finance committee and then it also says all the other boards and departments in the town shall submit their budgets to the board of select and the finance committee so nowhere does it say that anybody is supposed to pull all these together studying all the revenues create a balanced budget that's submitted to the town meeting and that all basically goes to the finance committee well I like to think we're pretty good but we're also getting pretty big we're a $120 million budget we have a town manager and we think it should be his responsibility or her responsibility to do this the finance committee is part of the legislative body we're your ways and means committee the board of select and the town manager and the executive branch so what we're recommending in this change is honor about the second day of business all boards and departments not under the control of the town manager shall submit to the town manager in writing their budgets and all the fiscal requirements and all their revenues it's honor about the second business day no later than the 15th day of January so two weeks later the town manager shall take his own and all the other budgets and submit a comprehensive balanced budget to the board of select and the finance committee so what we're trying to do is make this process much more logical and much more cohesive and put the responsibility on the manager to produce this now the managers is basically doing this anyway now but he's the first that's really done this responsibilities at rate enough that he should take on this role so what we're proposing is honor about the second day of business all boards and departments not under his control submit their budgets and revenue estimates to the manager the manager takes those puts them together with his own budgets puts together a comprehensive budget book and submit that's balanced list of all the revenues, list of the expenditures so it's balanced to the board of select and to the finance committee now then it becomes the finance committee's role to review all those budgets to review all the revenue estimates and in turn produce the finance committee report to you and I think this makes a lot more sense and puts it together in a comprehensive model really doesn't change anything that we've done for the last five or six years but it puts together in a model the town manager comes in and says this is your responsibility to do it and then turn it over to the finance committee and the board of select to review and the finance committee produces its report for the town meeting we think it makes a lot more sense puts the responsibility on one person to get the job done if it doesn't get job done you know who to blame and so I think this is a significant step forward so we ask for your support, thank you Mr. Tosti, Mr. Gilligan thank you Mr. moderator Steven Gilligan town treasurer and member of the government reorganization committee Mr. moderator and town meeting members I rise in support of a positive vote on this appointing authorities such as myself do submit budgets to the town manager this codifies it and streamlines the date trail it becomes more critical to do that as we have more and more work to do and the town manager has more and more work to do it actually stipulates when we have to get the job done and have to submit those budgets so I ask you to consider a positive vote, thank you very much thank you Mr. Gilligan Mr. Variglou Mustafa Variglou, precinct 10 I just have a quick question do you foresee this requiring more resources on the town manager's office going forward it sounds like some of the work is carried by the finance committee now and would you see a shift and requiring hiring additional people to do this through the chair of course No, I mean the deputy town manager is basically the chief budget officer of the town they perform this role now anyway and I thought there's another element here is that reviewing all of the budgets and presenting putting together the Fincom report and presenting a town meeting is a reasonable function for a part-time basically volunteer board the finance committee has had the luck of having Bob O'Neill be around for like 20 years and myself and I've been doing this for 25 years so you've had people not that were any better but we get good at it because we've just done it so long but that's not always going to happen you're going to have chairman who come in for just a couple of years and then they're going to have to rotate and they're not going to build up maybe quite as expertise I've often used the line I've been chairman for 25 years but I'm working with my therapist on that and it's so I think no, they don't need any extra help I think they can do it between the two of them and I think it will lighten the role of the finance committee now the manager reaches out for other people too I mean we're consulting and we work together on revenue estimates along with all the other town officials so it's not like it all of a sudden will be one person's job it'll be a multi-person job thank you it doesn't require more resources I support it thank you Mr. Marquis you got to move to the microphone sir I support it myself Mr. Tosti has been working for us for a long time and he seems to be an expert on efficiency we're kind of lucky we have him on our side thank you Mr. Tosti and that's all I have to say very well Mr. Marquis thank you Mr. Schlickman Paul Schlickman I'm sort of curious here on one level the finance committee as Mr. Tosti has said this is a legislative function they are an advisory group to this legislative body so that there is a certain interaction that the finance committee many or most our members of this meeting have our views in mind as they're evaluating the budget and making recommendations to us as he said a legislative committee so the question then becomes if the question is as we submit budgets to the manager and the manager is charged with balancing the budgets and presenting back to the finance committee a document with a balanced budget what is the mechanism then for the finance committee to be thoughtful and advisory in this process and I'd like to ask that to Mr. Tosti if I may through you Mr. Manager Mr. Tosti the third to the term meeting is that of the finance committee the finance committee goes through all of the different budgets we'll meet with all of the different department heads we meet even before that let me start from the beginning in the fall we're meeting with the manager along with the treasure collector the assessor the controller the other people to develop all the revenue estimates when the manager puts together the budget and turns it over to us then we go through all the budgets we hear all the hit one articles that are financial and put together a finance report and presented to the term names I don't see any change in that role what this does is basically say the budget that we get from the executive branch will be one balanced with so and like I said over the last couple of years I don't really see that much of a change but going forward I think it will be a positive so then my question then becomes with the special relationship with the school committee which has a responsibility for proposing a budget if the school committee asks for 45 million and the manager thinks it should be 35 and that's the way he's going to balance it you can see where this might be problematic in the future taking away the current reasonable people we have here looking ahead 10 years at whoever might be in these seats I think you've got a couple of thoughts number one you've got the board of select reviewing this and telling the manager if they think it's unreasonable to do and then like I said the budget that actually goes to the town meeting is that of the finance committee and if we decide that the school should get 45 million and will eliminate public works you know we'll do that I mean we've had usually the manager has done an excellent job over the years no put in for pay raise on that excellent job over the years in doing this but we've also had some major disagreements with them and the report that goes to the town meeting is the report of the finance committee so I don't see that changing it's just the way it starts off balanced so this is structuring it a little different but you'll still retain the same role and you wouldn't expect to see any real difference in the dynamics between school side and town side no I don't I think we'll have the same role and the manager ever did that something like that getting by the criticisms of the board of select and the first thing the school committee I would assume would be would make an appointment with the finance committee I will just say one thing in my experience as a member of the school committee and as a member of the regional school committee before that the finance committee has been a very valued neutral arbiter and has been a very good representative I'm sure that their voice stays in this body as an active participant in the budget process and I would like to also say that I value Mr. Tosti and the entire committee for their work thank you thank you Mr. Schlickman Mr. Judd my only question is my only question is and I think I don't know if this is going to be done automatically or should be assumed but is not each article reviewed by the moderator and the town council for legal correctness do we need to put that in there I know it's probably done automatically but I'm just wondering if we have to make any specific provision for that I don't think so in regards to these articles any articles we're talking about the in this particular case council drafted these articles or took my article poorly written articles and redrafted them so they were properly in all legal fashion okay as long as that gets handled thank you thank you Mr. Chappett we have a motion to terminate the debate and the question second all favor terminating the debate please say yes oppose say no my opinion the debate is terminated that's a two third vote that's a one rule legislation let's try in the first instance all in favor please say yes oppose say no unanimous vote and I so declare Ms. Luccarelli to certify 85 town meeting members are present and voting yes okay that's unanimous good who wants one 3-2 that moves us to article 48 recommended vote of everybody is no action all in favor all opposed no action please say no okay no action of 48 article 49 you have a substitute vote Mr. Tosti I would move to postpone this article until Wednesday I explain why the town government reorganization committee of which I am the chairman wants to put in a substitute motion which is basically the same thing that's in your organization report which I would have to defend both the finance committee and the board of select voted no action so there I would have to get to one podium and argue ferociously that you should substitute and go to the other podium and argue ferociously that you should not substitute right to postpone this to Wednesday I can argue for it Charlie Fosk it will argue against it and I won't have to be a little schizoid so move to postpone to Wednesday our favor postpone to Wednesday 5-4 please say yes opposed say no so postponed that brings us to article 50 you have a favorable action for a vote as printed in your report extend reorganization committee anyone wish to speak to this they want to extend the committee through 2012 sir Adam Oster the commentary on this in one of the reports refers to the charge of the committee could someone tell me what that is who's got that written out this rice has that thank you mr. moderator town meeting in 2010 I'm sorry 2009 under article 32 made the following vote voted that the town government reorganization committee of 2009 be convened to consider and make recommendations to town meeting the town manager and or the superintendent of schools on any any advisable reorganization consolidation sorry abolition of town and or school departments boards committees or officers and that such committee be comprised of the town manager and the superintendent of schools or their designees one member each of the finance committee the school committee and the board of selectmen the town comptroller the town treasurer and six citizens three of whom to be appointed by a majority and three of whom to be appointed by the town moderator the committee shall produce a preliminary written report of its findings before the commencement of the 2010 annual town meeting and a final written report of its findings before the commencement of the 2011 annual town meeting and it shall dissolve upon the completion of the 2011 annual town meeting thank you the well first of all I want to say I'm very grateful for the work of the committee the recommendations are clear and intelligent and I'm pleased to have the opportunity to vote for them the the charge was as I remember extremely broad it was sort of anything that would make anything better and it's probably a good thing that the committee decided itself to just take a small subset of that in particular I guess if it's unworkable to look at you know the functions of any of the elected positions that it's best you know better part of valor to leave that alone but I think that we need a mechanism to start talking about some of those issues and I guess I would hope that in the coming year that the committee might sort of bring the white heat of its attention to what a good process would be for discussing that and I would suggest maybe starting off with a public hearing to to sketch out what some of the issues are and if the committee's composition is not such that it can tackle these kinds of issues maybe it would make a report to town meeting next year recommending a committee that can thank you Mrs. Fiore else if you are pleasing too I think I happen to see on the cable one night they were showing a meeting of this group and I was amazed at not only who was on it but there were only a small number and it sounds from what the town attorney just said that there should be a number of people on this town organization committee and I'm not offering my services however I would be interested in knowing how people do apply if that's what they do for this committee and how they are then chosen the when you can speak to Mr. Tosti or I could explain go for it a number of the people were specifically designated such as excuse me one of the finance committee town treasurer town controller and then there was another group of people which were three representatives appointed by the moderator and three representatives appointed by the Board of Select so that's how it was set up to do and that's how it was appointed and sometimes any committee after you get towards the end of a two year charge and it tends to drop off a little bit but you know we got the job done and maybe in another two years I want to put together another committee or have a standing committee or something like that but all we want to do in this next year is sort of make sure the things that we've started get done and maybe we need to change some bylaws and things like that but that basically is to follow the three or four steps we've already taken to make sure they come to fruition yes Ms. Fury you still have the floor that didn't quite answer my question because I'm talking about particularly I guess the six citizens well the the selectmen as well as I two years ago after the committee was formed advertised in the advocate and through various other means for people to submit resumes if they were interested and the selectmen went through theirs and they selected their three folks I did the same thing and with mine I took the liberty of appointing myself as one of my three choices and chose two other people that I thought were appropriate the other all the other members were designated in the original warrant article to specifically serve and Mr. Sullivan's case he appointed Don Marquis former town manager to act for him so they everybody was specified except for those six people okay I mean you just answered my question when you said that people made applications because I was wondering if they were just picked out of the air which I wouldn't have approved of thank you thank you Mr. Wagner thank you Mr. moderator Carl Wagner precinct 11 I move the question motion to terminate debate in article 50 to extend the committee through 2012 all in favor of terminating debate please say yes all opposed no debates terminated it's two third vote can we vote? can we vote on the article let us vote on the article before we adjourn all in favor of the recommended vote please say yes all opposed say no it is a unanimous vote now I have a motion to adjourn all in favor of adjourning to let me finish one thing at a time folks all in favor of adjourning until Wednesday the 4th please say yes all opposed say no I have a call for motions for reconsideration Mr. Judd 33 McCory wait wait wait wait a sec I have to write down 33 for McCory alright Mr. Judd go ahead 36 37 40 41 40 41 it was the 5th one I got 36 37 41 40 41 42 okay any others that's it okay any other notices of reconsideration having no other notices we're so adjourned