 Welcome to ToffeeTV. We are going to try and build our best UK 11. Okay so that means England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. The whole thing. Apologies if that upsets anybody but the whole thing right. Maximum three players per country. Yeah so you can't you know you've got to try and get people into this team. Okay. So maximum three in. We did our best 11 last week of internationals one per country. So this week we thought let's try and do a UK one and let's just see what happens. There's no right answers. There's no wrong answers. It's just gonna be interesting. And again like last week the dilemma is it's about creating a football team. It's about fitting players in. It's about only being as good as your worst player. Yeah so balance. It's about it is. It's about the balance and it's not about that thing of oh well we can just squeeze every single player in. You know the best players or is it? Or is it? Who knows okay. Right yeah let's get our first one on the board. We've got our trusty whiteboards and we're gonna write them down. And we haven't neither of us have talked about this. No. No. Who's in it? So. No. Not at all. It's always interesting. Always interesting. When we reveal the players. Okay. I mean I'll be honest. I don't think there should be much. Much. Okay. Three. Two. One. One. Neville Southall. Let's you know. Let's be honest. Let's not mesh about. Let's be honest. Big Neville Southall. He's in there. There he is. In goal. He's the number one. He's the number one. I mean listen there was no. For me there was no messing about with this. There had to be. It had to be the best man for the job. And he is the best man for the job. Best goalkeeper I've ever seen. Exactly. And if you're gonna build a team you've got to build from the back. Other players are gonna have to fall by the wayside when it comes to this. The way I looked at it was who pushes them close and you go through it. You know. Nigel Martin. Nigel Martin. Nigel Martin's the closest for me. Certainly British big. The best keeper we've had after them two probably Tim Howard and we had him for ten. He's American. No I'm saying. He's American. Yeah. So when you're going and it's the other caveat to this is it's gotta be people we've seen. So people throw like Ted Sagan was a great keeper and stuff. It's gotta be players, goalkeepers, players that we've actually seen play for ever. So when you go through there's not that we haven't had that many great goalkeepers. No. That's why you've gone all right for a little bit like Thomas Mayer but again there's no reason. So British keepers if we have. And well not many. Richard Wright. Steve Sivinson. Ian Taineth. Jon Benham. Gerard. Oh Gerard Jesus. It's getting worse. You know when I've seen obviously and you will have seen you know Jim Arnold or maybe Bobby Minns you will have seen Bobby Minns. He was a good goalie but he's never pushing Neve. You know I had my early memories of having a goalkeeper. It's Jim McDonough. He was never pushing Neve. Fred Baba. You know Fred Baba. That's right he was never getting there. So there's people you know Mike Stowell was another one. So none of these were never pushing Neve. Neve was the number one by far. Yeah so. And a good discussion. Wales greatest goalkeeper. Well the funny thing is as we're talking about internationals the sad thing is he never got to play in the tournament for Wales now. So he never demonstrated that greatness on the international stage. He could have had one tournament and he knows what it would have done but then again that his personal loss was our game because I know Ray and I come for him big time a couple of times and he didn't want to go from to stay at Everton. But who knows with it was obviously when he was playing it was different now you'd have had and Everton were brilliant obviously so it made it easier but now you'd have every media outlet say and he's got to join Manchester United or he's got to join Chelsea. But then again Everton were at the top for four or five years when you know you're there or there about so unbelievable goalie. Best ever seen. Yeah. Okay the right back position. Interesting. This will be interesting this one. This will be interesting. In the studio. Okay. Three, two, one. Seamus Coleman. Seamus Coleman for me as well. Yeah. Again the balance. Yeah. Who you can fit in and who misses out. The inclusion of Coleman is going to make my next point ridiculous and I accept that. Okay. Gary Stevens is still the best right back I've ever seen. Play for Everton. Yeah. By far as well as being English. By far the best right back I've ever seen in my lifetime. But that then goes as a trade-off against players who I wanted in my team. Yeah. Who may be, who may be better but also as well as may or may not be better is there a player that is close to them who could replace them if Gary Stevens coming and really at this position Seamus Coleman is the closest thing we've probably had to Gary Stevens in terms of being an attack on football. Gary Stevens was an unbelievable athlete. Score goals. Obviously play for this country. Played in Europe for Everton. Played in Europe for Rangers. Brilliant defender and so you know was that everton for a number of years as well. And since then Seamus Coleman for me and Tony a bit done a good job as a defender. Phil Neville done a good job as a defender as a right back for Everton at times. But Seamus Coleman after Gary Stevens has probably been the best right back. You know we've had players like hot together in Barrett and Colombs and Tony Thomas you know people like that who were never good enough Steve Watson to go play but he was never up to the day level. Before Gary Stevens and Gary Stanley and John Gibbon but there I was a baby watching them but they were never going to push them on my Gary Stevens so since Gary Stevens Seamus Coleman has been our best right back and that's why I've sacrificed Gary Stevens. Yeah well you've got three better English players than Gary Stevens that's what you say yeah and keep it in keeping. Yeah I'm the same I'm the same I think Seamus Coleman is the second best right back I've seen in Everton. Yeah we had a lot of rubbish not John O'Connor. No no great in the same leg there but no we've had a lot of very very poor right backs very average right back. Just loads wasn't it just loads just loads of Mark Ottergus you know Mitch Ward, Barrett, Matt Jackson wasn't great but he was alright. Jack Hoag was a good defender but he wasn't Seamus Coleman's level. So and then obviously you said we had Tony Hibbert who was a good defender give everything but wasn't quite modern materials. Old school wasn't quite modern. Was a defender wasn't he great at the half way line yeah you know great overlap it brilliant just that when he got into those positions won every 10,000. She never scored in competitive game which adds another thing to it. Okay let's move on to the left back. This will be contentious. This will cause this might cause fracar in the room. I mean I don't think it will. Who are you saying that? I don't think it will. Okay I mean it might because this this player played in this position for other teams not everything. See that is my that is an issue that is an issue you know because that's a cheat. Well is it? Yes it is. We'll just work it out. Well we can do it I mean I've got a back up. I've got a back up. No you've done it now don't you've done it now you've put it out there and people will see that you're a cheat. So let's go three two one. See I knew you were going for garrish speed at left back. I knew it. You played for Newcastle Bolton. No no you played for Leeds. No I've gone for Leighton Baines. Now that's that's I've got it I've got I've got me other player in if you ain't going to do that. No no no you can have them you can have them it's not about not a competition. It's not a competition people will be watching and they'll see they'll see how your shoehorn and play is in. No I'm not it's the only one it's the only one and it's because you played this. Is it 4-4-2? Yeah. Oh I'm playing 4-3-3 here. Well there you go you've changed the rules. No I haven't I haven't changed the rules. There's no hard and fast but changing a player's position I mean. No it's not he's played it. If it was John Collins playing left back I'd have accepted. I'd accept it. No no I'd accept it. And he played it twice. I'd accept that he played forever twice. No well garrish speed. Alright garrish speed. Well now you're going to talk about him playing sense of my fail for us while you've got a bit left back. I'm not unacceptable. I'm not. I'm not. I'm trying to answer the main because he was a good player for Evan and he played on the left hand side at signs playing for Evan as well as playing through the middle. So he played numerous positions. It just didn't play in that one? Not forever. No. But he did play there for Bolton and Newcastle. SDSC home. I can take him out because I have got my back up there. No no you've done it now. No you've done it now. There's no back up. No no no no no no no you've done it. You've done it. No back ups you've done it. You've done it. We're not messing about with this. Am I to another Welshman? You've done it. It's fine. No it's fine. I know it is. It's path on the note. You've done it. You've decided you wanted. I wanted garrish speed. It's weird that you've decided you wanted to fit garrish speeding in a position he never played in against the left back and our greatest ever team. No I know. It was a lot of Welsh and the left back. No I'm taking speed off. I just wanted speed in because I like I love garrish speed. Well I've gone for like. Well van den Aug now. Pat in and he's the like. Well I've gone for Leighton Baines. Again he's the I think he's the best left back I've ever seen. I think he was better than van den Aug. Better than the hinge cliff although you know hinge cliff had a couple of good years and obviously won a trophy for us. Baines he just for me embodies every football club. He's class, he's dignity, great footballer. Yeah. Had a chance to move, did not, didn't move. He's just people just love him. Yeah. And for me that he's great in the English game as well. He is. No but that to me is that to me is easy to play that you'll look back on and it breaks me hard that he never won a trophy yet. Because he deserves to be one of players that you look at and go yeah he won because you just wouldn't go. Well he deserves that because I think you can give players who've won trophies I think can get a legend of his status in a football club especially at Edmonton because we haven't won but we don't win something every other year so that people go well now but I think when because we have been started but I think if the next Edmonton that wins a trophy will be legendary because they'll be remembered. It's the same way when people don't remember really. They don't treat the 1915 as legends but they should really because it's we're coming up to the 25th year since we won something. Yeah they should deserve. They deserve like more respect don't they. And the light and veins will sadly won't be remembered like that but he will be remembered as an absolutely fantastic footballer. To be honest the best again you know for the sake of having other players in my team he's not in but again the best footballing left back I've seen played for Edmonton. If I hadn't done that I was a better defender I'm as nasty and we won stuff with him but Baines for durability as well for over a period of time. I said this last week when we were talking about him you know I like the plays I kind of love a more attacking plays because I wasn't a forward and I like that kind of play but Baines I absolutely love and he's a defender and he's just a fantastic footballer. Great but I mean Sam's Matt and Shigari Stevens the best right back I've ever seen light and veins the best football and left back I've ever seen and I absolutely love him but he's not in the team because again three key areas for me. You're building the side it will reveal itself as we go along. I've won everything with that you've been and it was fantastic and it'll either be in a little bit a bit more of a sensible character shall we say or you know he might have done more and have it might have done more because obviously when we lost him through certain injuries which he won't go into there it kind of it wrecked both him and us but great defender but Baines outstanding. Brilliant right let's move to one of the centre backs the right right side of the centre back let's see the right right tension tension is building is it no no it's not it's not it's not building three two one I've put the wrong one give me a sec bear with okay bear with tension is building now okay go on three two one goff Richard goff okay I've gone for Dave Watson I've gone for Dave Watson so the re like I was looking at the centre back partnership but I was looking at the team as a whole and Dave Watson to me listen I love Dexie Mount I really do I really love him but to me Dave Watson was better he was a better defender for me Dexie scored really important goals but he was gone by 80 by 80 end of 87 88 sorry 88 yeah um because of what Dave Watson came in 1986 and was still 11 to what 99 98 97 97 yeah 97 stayed up but when Roy left he was the manager yeah he was the manager he kept us up 11 you know he kept us up that season and lifted the FA Cup obviously got a league title as well people forget that and he was just a magnificent defender and a magnificent ambassador to Everton Football Club and I think because he moved away from Everton you know went to Wigan went to Newcastle is now retired and is doing more things with Everton again I hope that status is regained because to me went growing up to my teenage years he was my captain Dave Watson was my captain and also very lucky enough to play with him as well um he was my he was my captain he was he was when people say now what what does a captain do or we haven't got a proper captain Dave Watson was a proper captain he led by complete example was come up popped up with important goals now and again put his head in with a hit but he was a leader and he drove us on for so many years and that's been forgotten in this generation completely forgotten and I don't think don't get me wrong that's like oh damn kids that's just because of the way the news cycle works and because he's not connected with Everton because he's not one of these people who've come back he's not in the local media he went away and decided he wanted the job after football yeah after playing and it didn't that didn't revolve ever and that meant going to Newcastle and he's not become a manager he was like a youth coach um and he's not he's not someone who's always on TV or anything um but to me he was my captain when I grew up and I loved the way he was fantastic and people always forget how good the defender was and I remember the funny what you'll know this one yourself in um the lead up to um Euro 96 England went to uh they went to Hong Kong Hong Kong 11 and Dave Watson played for the Hong Kong 11 and he was the best player on the pitch by um I think England won like 1-0 I think he's obviously other things have gone on in Hong Kong with the England team so maybe they weren't all completely up for it but Dave Watson was amazing in the game and that's not to say that was like oh should have played for England it was just no and he was but it typified Dave Watson oh yeah that he played in this game against this country against this country in what really was just like an exhibition match to get that weird kid doing like a pale kid yeah this like exhibition match to get being in place some bit of time while they were in Hong Kong which basically was a boozy session we all remember the dentist sharing stuff and yeah he was bleeding in it and I just thought that typified Dave Watson um just just a fantastic fella really and I just wanted to get him in my side yeah brilliant defender coming from Norwich wasn't a fan's favorite at the start because obviously Dex he was a fan's favorite and had been brilliant for us but our Kendall bought him because he was a leader um and put him alongside Radcliffe and the pair of them were you know they were a great partnership for Evan and Watson was brilliant for it you're right since he's moved he's been forgotten I guess um and I think once they go towards the clubs and he's gone to he's been at Newcastle and I can't never forgive him for that because I you know I won't say that to be honest with you mate he's he's not someone I love back and go all what I play but he was a good defender he's not there's no there was always a coldness with Watson I I never talked to him but he was a good but he was a great defender and I've met him and I still I still and it's a it's a quite a while and it's he is what he is but he was a great defender for Evan and he was what was brilliant about him was in that in like the Darby's even when he was older you know Michael Alvin couldn't get the better of him and he scored goals past him but he never gave him the chase and he shouldn't have given the chase and by the end he went all fast he wasn't direct and yeah Watson's so clever and so switched on and he was absolutely brilliant obviously scored a Darby winner as well didn't he scored a massive massive important goal in Newcastle quarter one of the one of the most important goals but brilliant brilliant defender come 900 grams from Norwich cap one shoots one the league and the cup wherever all those years apart in the nine years apart so yeah great great sign good addition good addition I've gone for Richard Goff who for very similar attributes really to what he come to us when he was getting on when we signed and was like very much like Paul Power didn't have the same effect that we didn't win the league like when we got part but when we got on people were like what he's been America and everything and yet he come in and for two years he's one of the best defenders I've ever seen forever classy on the ball always had time again talking about playing against the likes of Michael Alvin he was a terrifying younger defenders step back on the edge of the box and I'm like well come on then no way for you to run but if you feel free kid and he was just brilliant he should love the way he just bring the ball down on his chest and he was a good player so always look like he got time on the ball let you go for always had time on the ball big regress is that he wasn't 30 when he came didn't we try and sign him in 87 yeah we tried to get him early on in his career and when he left Scotland when he left Spain didn't he spares yeah we tried to get him there I think we tried to get him a couple of times and it just for whatever reason it didn't work out but he answered the call in Walter Smith yeah he gone to MLS haven't he yeah he was back in Kansas Kansas yeah in Kansas and Walter Smith wanted some experience at the back there obviously Waggy had left by then and got golfing and and he's in because he's in because I'm fitting people into a squad you know he's a good player but he was a brilliant he was a very good player absolutely outstanding and again he's one that people will look at and go it's your golf book for a couple of years and especially like like for Gary 38 at this time and he loved going to town oh he loved time he loved like all the he was your boss and he liked the other doc as well he loved he liked the mouse house he really liked the mouse house um he wouldn't so he um but he come in like you just said he he answered the call and for two years when we had just like a load of drosh and kids coming through and stuff like that don't forget I like Michael ball and people like that he was um he was brilliant and he was dead calm you know he was he was um and my other time like Mark Hughes had come in and people like that and but he had just this dick dick dick time and effect professional attitude when he was playing and he come in not long after waggy as well no that's him was that leadership that we needed continuity that was that leadership and he didn't train all the time because he was he was getting on he'd only trained a couple of times a week and then he'd turn out on a satin it was just unbelievable just and you just looked at him and thought what a you know matting having him 10 years younger you know they've been amazing but he was for two years he was absolutely brilliant you know when you look at then you look at British centre but actually we've had if you take the English the English contingent out that we've had which will think you know Watson and Montfield and people like that you know Lesch got you out you've all been good defenders forever you look around we haven't had many outstanding to me it was a toss up for me between him and David Weir because David Weir was a really good defender quarter for a million pounds from Hart's come down played like back earlier um but turned out to be a great defender for Everton for a long a long time go captain as well another one who was very calm could play was very calm on the ball but goth who's made more of an impact for me and and particularly putting them in a team with who i've got them in a team if i think we'll have been a fantastic partnership okay let's move on to the other centre back okay three two one wrackliffe both of us have gone for wrackliffe of course we've gone the same way you know Neville Southwell was in the side Kevin wrackliffe had to be in the side um obviously Everton's greatest captain most successful captain um obviously evertonian as well um still a big evertonian big evertonian came through the ranks didn't he played played you know not quite all his career at everton but most of it pretty much you know and um this is good is good years with all of everton definitely um played left back started off at left back struggled a little bit she has himself if anyone who's what's Howard's way you'll see that the famous five-nil dab he was sat in the stand a couple of seats down from Brian Labone and we got dumb five-nil and he said Brian Labone must have been looking at me thinking if he can't get in this side kid you must be crap because we were terrible but he got in and he got in you know we had Mark Higgins at the time he was another brilliant Everton defender he's back at the club now doing shows fantastic and you know rats was in with him a bit and then Higgins got injured and but he just he was outstanding for Evan McCliff when he was in his when he was at his peak oh my god what a defender what a defender pace unbelievable wasn't the most um comfortable on the ball shall we say he could carry the ball but he looked always looked a little bit but got as a defender and his nails and lightning quick would always recover and I think for me in my team the way I was building it left footed as well so having him on the left and got on the right you've got that calmness and experience and good on the ball ability that you've got paired with the nastiness and the pace of Ratcliffe and the leadership qualities and wasn't a big score of the goals the rat go down at Norwich once yeah um and scored in Aramfield of course but like you said brilliant Everton you're a fantastic captain and come through and and he's still an Evertonian now so he bothered the club yeah during that time you know he was like 23 when he got the captain's armband and we've mentioned this before about a manager almost reinventing things and giving a young player the captain's armband and saying you lead us through you're the leading out you know you lead us through this period and he did and obviously picking up the trophies he did and and the other thing is like you know you're mentioning there hard fast at that classic 80s look about him as well you know exactly you know he he was a good ambassador for Everton football club at the time not just being a captain but a player um and when you look back it's funny because when you look back on something when you're captain and you see them lifting trophies you're like that looks the part he looks the part like um yeah I just thought he was a brilliant player and I know a lot of people a lot of Evertonians like are he ate us or when he's doing the TV or the radio he's always like quite nasty about it but I think that's because he is an Evertonian I think number one is that thing of like when people go into the media they have to like act like um they're not they're not they're never played for the team or they have to look proud and professional or whatever or it's Andy Insketh um oh well Andy Insketh does that he treats us like he's never no I know I had some shame but but I think the rat did that but at the same time it was like almost who gritted teeth and like frustration don't forget he that he's had his issues with the club over the years as well yeah which would it which would fill oh he's that filled you with a little bit of bitterness at the end of the day is the most successful 11 captain greatest captain and the club for years didn't embody you and that's ridiculous we know we listen we're close to a few with that 85 so we know that the club haven't treated them the way they should but look at the world's greatest ever goalkeeper still has to buy his maths ticket and and people might go well so we should but there was a pair he shouldn't he shouldn't people like him shouldn't but the thing about the thing about it is for a period of years those kind of players sorry players were giving season tickets and stuff he wasn't yeah which is a bit bizarre so there will be a little bit of bitterness there of course but we'll be with any of us even if it's our club but also a frustrating that the club isn't doing what they should be and what you want them to do and that cliff yeah I've listened to him and gone I'm not bad saying that but when you're actually dissect what he's saying and and look at it with a little bit with take your bias there that net off you kind of go yeah he has got he's making sense and he's the only person you can actually say fill Jack Yelker's name right none of us like they're me no Jack Yelker no but he says it that's how it's supposed to be but I don't like that no I don't he's not Yags is he no he's not Yags but that's how his name we've decided it's not well you know I think Jack Yelker needs to come out and say that it's he's accepted that his name's Jack Yelker not Yag Yelker now Radcliffe outstanding best captain brilliant brilliant player and DJs fully DJs to be in our team okay we're gonna start we're gonna go into sentiment field because just because of the shape of my team okay so all right yeah one of your sentiment fielders okay this might surprise a few people this one I think really yeah I think so okay three two one interesting class has gone for Peter Reid I've gone for Don Hutchinson okay go on Peter Reid go on read listen read we don't need the best ever international yeah one last week in Reid was in it so there was no way he wasn't getting in this team best sentiment field player that I've seen play for Everton football club in terms of everything he had everything to do yeah the ability to go to war for you the ability to set a tempo the ability to drag you back into the game the ability to bollocks people he could be anything you wanted if you want to play football it was amazing if you wanted to just have a scrap come on then we'll do it now leave the ball you've done it in so many games track the evidence through so many games him and Andy Gray singlandedly turned a team full of prospects into the best team in Europe overtaking the European champions who unfortunately from the city as well and we give them a take and it was because of Peter Reid incredible you knew when he wasn't playing even though players are coming and doing a great job for like your Harper and Richard's and we did come back and it go up another level he was just unbelievable he could do everything and he died his head unbelievably but he was just a marvelous footballer absolutely from heighten was a red as a kid and you know it's the bitterest blue you'll meet now just a fantastic footballer and if Everton if you could if you could recreate a Peter Reid and put him in this midfield in evidence team now this team would go into the top four even without anyone else I guarantee you he was that good unbelievable footballer and he'd been written off because he'd had horrific in the city yeah but in a time when brokers liked right unbelievable in a time when people didn't always recover yeah absolutely no he's amazing again it's mad because you're absolutely right um how good he was he was such such a good footballer against someone he was a captain on the pitch but what without being the captain he didn't need to be the captain and I think one of the reasons he didn't need to be the captain was because he was a little bit underhand he was he didn't quite embody the club in terms of when you want to shine a spotlight on them he embodied the club when you don't want to shine a spotlight he was the only one after Brian Marwood after he donated if he was the only one after buying me new players you know things like that he was the one he was the nasty one he was like your nasty cap you have like a your golden boy captain who you know might lift the trophy or whatever he was the nasty captain he was the one lattice was nasty but he wasn't the same he wasn't quite the same he don't forget as well was was basically Kendall on the pitch Kendall was nasty I would add a friggin ruthless side everyone literally you tell your dad misses he had a friggin ruthless side as a player on it as a manager and we either carry instructions to a tick you know and obviously he became great drinking and really continues to drink in his name fair play to him and on this lockdown I fear for him because every day his alcohol but now what an absolutely unbelievable football and what an unbelievable fella as well even now you're shitting the rumor and you can just let him you wind him up leaving and he just ends the thing with his tiles and he engages a room and we went through I think a dinner where he's spoken starts off and it was a tribute for him wasn't it but everyone's like yeah and he lists in all of them in all of them played in a well cut transformed that England team I said all this last week just an unbelievable player and that's why again that was one of my considerations with English players he was one of them in the ad to be fair enough no not fair enough Donald Jensen again listen he very much like got for you but Donald Jensen was a player that answered the call when a lot of people probably thought why are we going after it why have we got this well this is mad go on is he in your team as well yeah okay and he is because there's me team and he's I can't show it because you'll see the other players but what you shouldn't was read partner okay so watching so while you're talking about it makes sense yeah yeah so don't don't he was he came in he'd um we got him from west end of me chef chef yeah went to west end in Liverpool yeah got off went through he came to everton and being the power dad me yes why and he come in and he just he come in he come in after speed didn't he after speed left and we needed to fill that gap that goal scorer number 10 but like a cent in the field someone could get around the pitch and he was brilliant and obviously the links were there with Liverpool he played for Liverpool when he was younger and he was you know done a couple of silly things but straight away straight into the team showed us exactly what we needed no expectation many coming people like yeah well and then and he just but he was that player that we all we all you know you come out we dare and we've always had a decent coming off the back of speed we've always had a decent someone in centre midfield you know later it was kyle it's actually something I haven't missed massively I've missed for the last since kyle left really is oh full any probably since full any left actually is that is that centre midfield that you can get into the box arrive like becomes that extra striker and as the needle yeah and almost like that and he's almost like he's the fan on the pitch at times as well really evertonings really took to him regardless of what had happened before add a little spot with walter smith and then ended up leaving the club over very little which was really sad because there's still nonsense plenty in the tank but that will even improve it left on the sundown he was brilliant or he went to sundown never he was absolutely fantastic for sundown didn't want to leave everton treasure quite openly loved it absolutely loved everton loved howard which was why he came didn't want to leave everton absolutely loved everything about it was our captain don't forget was it was just unbelievable when me 98 we come in under awed and obviously we had we had the the country thing at the end of the season did me stay though and not score some big goals you know leads at home and we have a couple of big wins and he scored important goals and then walter come in and he was in and out with walter smith I don't think smith fancied him my face and told him he was he could add a goal or whatever in he went down stein and i'll show you and apparently it was a test by smith but he then became his captain and was brilliant and him and kevin cambal the you know kev was in here a while ago wasn't even saying unbelievable player when he went he said that wasn't me because we'd lost that player it was just in cut he was actually threaded through your ball get you to go control him and feel he was absolutely brilliant for everything and it was something stupid like a grand or two grand a week extra which other players some other players were on more you know you trough up like the nick barney's on wellmore and yet we wouldn't pay our captain that extra couple of grand and we were like to gather in but it was only a couple of grand and he would have stayed he wanted to stay and that really sticks in my throat still because he had four or five years after he left evidence where he still done the business when you when you think a sundrynd were brilliant with philips and that he was part of that for them he meant they were you know when they had a great run under peter aiden stuff audition was part of that so we missed out on a few years of having that stability which who knows what because moise coming a couple of years later and i think he's someone moise with a love yeah so for the couple of years we might have had us just who knows what would have happened and it was that thing with evidence they do really well they have a great thing and he's somehow balls it up but silly choices and hut your son was one brilliant player and he was that's why he's in my team as well because he was fantastic and i take him and read well there being a very interesting combination and of course i remember when he played to scotland and i remember being england played scotland in a two-legged game for the year to get into your house in nineteen two thousand i think it was four yeah and he scored the winner he scored the winner the wembley england went three but i remember being in a pub and cheering because it was not an incident he scored i didn't care i think i was made up he scored because england the one the first game too and he scored and i was like i'm not saying i wanted scotland to win but i noticed and i scored so i was like yeah yeah you know right i better put my other centre of fielder in then come on so next to hutchinson in the centre of my field is garrie speed garrie speed is in there for me um obviously welshman evertonian when we got him from leeds i remember it was a huge deal because he won the league at leeds and leeds had a good side and he come through at leeds and then it was like you know everyone knew he was a welshman but it was like no one did you never tell anyone as well um was kevin wrackliffe's piper boy and he was a blue ass that he worked with his dad uh brought to you doesn't he yeah brought to you his dad in shell he tells me a quarter years before when he was in leeds preening score and goals he was like never tell me never the fan i was like because he was when they won the league he was absolutely brilliant brilliant in the air i thought they had a stupid air cut like but he was brilliant in the air and uh i remember thinking i remember saying to astley ask his dad would he come to him and all that and his dad was like he was a big blue like so when we got him it just kind of seemed the right thing it was like fitted nicely when he came in but it was a big deal when he came in it was an unbelievably good sign it like especially we were trying to rebuild that not like rebuild that team but just because we had a decent team and we were one by one and we'd have andre the year before and we were piecing it together and you were introducing gary spleen you were looking at going the year before we were well we won the FA cup we got andre yeah so you were looking and going piecing this team together and he came in and obviously new castle phase came around and dunking was just unbelievable in the game and speed just fed off evident dunking won any obviously scored the goal and had a great season was brilliant for us um what's mad about that summer is though we could have had nice and martin as well and we didn't and we could have had mark swatter that summer so we would have had the goalkeeper yeah we ended up with paul's yard but we could have had the goalkeeper yeah and gary spleen which would have been too we had an edge still of course but we would have had a private like person ready to take that on which means we would have been brilliant and fantastic again we balled it up you know we balled up the whole whole of the end of the season well that season he scored the winner that secured our status against Tottenham at home yeah the other one that had dug off on the motorbike him and spader in the field or anything and gary spleen scored the other we beat them one million at home one of the few times we beat space which is mad um and we got to the end of that season and that was the season of you'll be pleasantly surprised in the summer we'll get a well climb you were thinking well we do get a good manager and there's money there and we've got gary spleen and we've got dunking and we've got you know we'd soak in Chelsea's by then haven't we in that but we had the likes of barnby but we still had good plays it was top top top form at the time um and then again you know he has a fallout with Howard for whatever reason when the next minute he's gone to Newcastle and obviously he was vilified for that massively vilified at the time because he wouldn't you know because the club won't be spawning in a certain way he wouldn't say why he left kept his dignity and people kept back unfortunately kept back good to the day he died and it was busy yeah and then you know since then more sort of truth has come out of it and people have you know realized that what was the point it's just football but just and it wasn't it wasn't what people no of course it wasn't just you know it wasn't someone going on just a i'm abandoning sink and chip there was more to of course there was more to it but um but i like well to Smith a letter yeah come back to come back yeah i always i mean once i listen i was a teenager at the time you're always i mean same when booney left your angry for a while and then i should grow up a little bit and start realizing what more there's more to these things but you know what just a fantastic footballer again someone who played for the shape someone would play for the fan on the pitch yeah and i remember i actually i actually like go on the barbie and i'm free yeah i actually remember um where exactly where i was when he found out when i found out he died i was actually playing in a game um and we had a lad from real playing for us and he scored in the game and he played sent to my field and he was honest i'm not making this up his name was onions because no one could pronounce his name why n why rs irons but everyone called him onions that was his nickname and he was exactly like garry speed well slad from north wale played sent to my field and scored some ridiculous amount of goals for the team i was playing for um which like an evidence support the team and he'd scored and then someone on the sideline said garry speed being found dead and it was like everyone on the pitch was just like the whole like wow like garry speed being found dead it wasn't played the game and afterwards went home and like it was mad like you know what i mean but i remember that declare it was dead just dead dead weird how he scored the goal like and um but it but no and i remember going to go to some park and i had one of our shirts with number 10 on and i went up and i hung it up on the on the railings outside like um but just just a great player and again never like you know could have gone on and being an evident manager again mommy could have gone on and being an evident manager oh of course yeah i think he was off i think he wanted to did he said he wanted to did he and he was doing a great job at wales and the wales the wealth success they had was because of the stuff he'd put down yeah before Chris Coleman to be fair did credit him with that but yeah i remember being in work and it was a sunday wasn't it yeah sunday and i remember going it was when i was working in social services and i had to go and do a home visit and i got in the car and i was driving to the alksnade radio station and i don't listen to anymore but they they were talking about it and i had to pull over like for five minutes because i'm just mad but because he'd been he gave me his boots and everything and i've still got these six in the uh my loft but just because he was such a young man as well and to lose him like that was this horrific obviously what was going on but as a player again so frustrating because he was one that could have did go on play for newcastle for years played for Bolton for a few years that's the annoying part of it isn't it that again like Hutchison yeah you know we get he went far too soon best years were not over in front of football pitch and you look and go what what difference could he have made to that evidence i don't forget we signed some good players we just never had quite had them at the same decor but they're being in there with speed and then you know we were still playing when he's playing for Bolton you know he spanked us when Moise was here so and he's a player who Moise would have loved and he would have loved Moise he would have loved the discipline Gary Spade the one thing before we finish that people might realise is that he loved routine hard work and discipline and if you if you equate that to Howard's final year you'll see why maybe he wasn't he didn't like a lack of profession yeah yeah and i think this it's not for us to say why let's but i'm sure a lot of people don't know already know why but it wasn't professionally enough that's what i'll say and that he didn't like that and he would have loved everything that came after it and well he wrote a letter to him and i just said please buy me back so there you go let's go to left midfield okay left midfield i've got a feeling we've both got the same one for this playing in my three in midfield okay three two one kevin cheedy i knew it's kevin cheedy for both of us i just you just it couldn't have been anyone else no he was neglected last week he wasn't neglected it was about balance it's about balance but this week there's no arguing no he's very much like never self or you can't can't not be anyone else in that position not for that left foot the left foot's just incredible you know be worth a hundred million comfortably in today's market with what he could do with a ball with that left foot three kicks corners just shots got into the box go go double figures every season you know just a wonderful footballer he'd have to run a little bit more now than he did then that's for sure that's 2003 in midfield so we'd have to go because he'd hate you putting them in there with them too um but now that just again you know one of the best players i've ever seen where never this year stuff he could do you know everyone talks about ip switch at home and the free kick and you know but there's so many brilliant goals memory the goalie scored a fill at 97 and you know she's a kick almost and amfield three free kicks at amfield and you know just so many important goals for us get looping in the FA cup semi-final and we were dead and buried and then set the winner up you know crosses it for the Derek Manfield for the winner and just so many moments rotted them you know the third goal off the underside of the bar just everything everything the bar was just brilliant play for us for years that play for Liverpool we got on how a candle brought them in he was in Liverpool reserves and remember we got them and people were like hey like this fella and he come in and um 82 83 season i think we'd be fill a five in the room on a wednesday night tuesday wednesday night he scored a couple he was unbelievable in that half-naked but not not the real the lovely one with the diamonds but the other one that the little you know the round batting the two little white things brilliant absolutely wonderful footballer brilliant forever for years um play for us for nine years or something and went on of course to be part of the academy and and give some stuff back got over Balkan so brilliantly you know and um just a just a great player and and that to be in my team definitely yeah definitely that to be in in the team um someone who when he played was we've seen the goals we've seen recently loads of his goals from neither on the rewatches or bbc shown the one last week the list of the fifth goal yeah the chip over but that was the thing about him is is that his goals were you like he's someone we spoke about this like for absolute world class he was world class it or had a world class left foot whichever way you want to look at it he could do things with that left foot and was in complete control and and would try things because he knew he'd come off whether it be a free kick whether it be chipping the goalkeeper whether it be a volley he was there was no doubt in his mind that whatever he tried to do it it would come off because his left foot was so good now there might be other parts of his game but weighing quite up to where he might not be the most athletic player or you know whatever or the most bravest player or whatever but when he on the ball three kicks a piece whether it a goal or into the box that's why denic man feels good so many goals um it's why he scored so many goals yeah i've got so many and because so many got even before you know because that left foot it was a one it really was it was it was just incredible you know and he'd come up a big moment so often big missed a great chance at 1-0 in the 86 cup final over his right foot with the being his left foot on the other side he'd scored and but he was just he was just an unbelievable player and yeah give me some of the greatest memories of everything again someone who probably doesn't get the credit he deserves because maybe i don't know why wouldn't probably because you should play for everything but again so i'm out to say donutions before i remember when 1996 well cup being in a little tiny bar in France everyone all around this little telly on a campsite England versus Ireland and um he pops up with a goal for Ireland and i was delighted absolutely delighted yeah he was just brilliant again just a player who just i grew up with you know grew up with him playing and and i just thought everyone was as good as that because he was so good i expected everyone to pop free kicks in i used to always love the little free kick routine i never understood why then you grow up and you see things you think that's how things are done i always remember the free kick routine we had where where the two players on the side and one would knock it to the other and stop it dead and then eat smaki and i always thought that's how everyone took free kicks and nobody takes free kicks like that anymore but it was because he was so good you know and that was because it was an indirect free kick and there's a lot more indirect free kicks then i don't know why but it was it was always indirect i don't even is that even a thing anymore in indirect free kicks but it was loads of indirect free kicks given all the time and it just seems like a weird thing now doesn't it and so we used to do this always little routine one player there one player knocks it to the other he stops it carrying cheese so it's like a free kick for him and amongst the time he did the target oh yeah he was just he was just unbelievable good in the air as well really for the score a few goals with his head which was mad just the talent of football lovely lovely to watch and ping balls left right and centre brilliant just pop up at that back post on me as well it was one of those players that you got a free kick you know and you knew that it was hitting the target and the keeper had to pull off a good straight to keep it out so if we had a free kick in a wide area he was finding someone it was up to them then to put it in the net and to hit the target and that good you know left foot swinging corners in swinging corners and teams were terrified of him for years they were terrified of giving anything away because he was it was basically like a penalty you know you give him free kicks on the edge of the box or whatever so and again demonstrated by that exit one stick it in one corner and take it again or put it in the other then and put it into the other corner shelf amazing just brilliant brilliant and again it's you to watch right let's move on to well the right side for you the right forward for me okay three two one okay i've gone for Wayne Rooney bars is gone for trevor steven go on then trevor steven the the best right side of player that i've ever seen forever and i can tell you it's unbelievable well class unbelievable but trevor steven was just different different gravy different coming from bernley chose us over libra fir which i always like um come in and was outstanding you know nine i think he was 19 many coming 1920 stuck up a brilliant partnership gary stevens score goals fantastic in the air brilliant penalty take uh could dribble could make him a your knee is that way could dribble you know shoot pass switch the play play either side play through the middle play up front done it all absolutely brilliant for 67 years incredible um and again went on and played for range and played for marseille and your play for england just top top quality and again in this day and age be worth over 100 million because he was just that good phenomenal he was he was that good he was never got flustered a player who could whip in gay balls go outside he could come inside know that people he was a gay finisher he could play up front he had all the technical ability you could wish for um hardware here as well yeah obviously went to rangers which was just at the time where plays were going for the money well they were in yore yeah they had money they were in yore we were banned from yore which split that team up you know let's have it right um and he went up there because gary stevens had gone up there the year before or whatever you know played me 89 cuff fine leather tones there was obviously a lot of stories going in front of me just a few ever fans got on the pitch in that and had to go over them um and it came through a sour end really and it shouldn't have done yeah you know it was the fact was he'd won the league he'd won the cup with us but he wanted to play in yore he was also watching the team deteriorate around him and the team was getting worse and as fans you don't you just think these players feel exactly the same as you do but for them it's a career it's a career and he was he was from berwick up on swede he wasn't from scottie though but even that though he was an ever like i don't doubt my mind that he's an everton fan oh it says himself but but you've also as a player you only get a certain amount of time and you know i don't forget he stayed longer than some of the top ones who had gone you know and he looked around and seen the team getting worse and going whereby we're replacing pete of eve with stupe mccall and mike milligan we're replacing you know we brought aam wilson in and he was supposed to replace kaden sheathies because that sheathie was seeing him off like quite comfortably but you know neil mcdonnell coming for garrie staven's yeah and you're looking at that team and going well hang on this team's getting worse year by year i still want to play for me and he proved that he went and played in the champions league 75 for marseille i think and i know it was a different format or for ranges it might have been against marseille or whatever but he went and played for ranges for a few years and then went abroad yeah and he played and he went to marseille when marseille we're at the cutting edge as well um whether that was legal or not but he went you know he went over there and i think you know he think he he don't he don't well over there and he don't he'd always done well for england maybe not as appreciated because of other people maybe just by name played for more for england but he was a great player absolutely super player and you know you look back and you look at the big moments behind me you know it's that's like that celebration is my favorite ever just that no turn around like you're talking about not being flustered but turn around and just doing that just the finger like in one of the biggest like he just sealed the game for the biggest night in evidence history well you win leagues but that was the first ever european final that he sent us to you know when he does that he rotted him which goes the second goal at rotted him put us two in the love you know runs away and just the jump and all that you know again not going off his head loads loads of important goals you know loads of important goals which go sure he's got 11 penalties the goal is for the goal he's got in sundaland sundaland out in the front the first touch from bricewell's pass is incredible into left foot finish is incredible left foot it's less less there that year range up from the randy gray the flick on ever to randy gray to score just so many moments it pop up we had you know you talk about great teams and you talk about how you win leagues or how you're successful kevin cheery double figures trevor steven double figures two strikers double figures gary steven six or seven derrick manfield 15 band and out four or five you know it's not okay read got one or two in brice didn't get many but the rest of them did and when you're getting goals from everywhere and particularly you're too wide many you're too strikers as well the amount of times i hit she she'dy and trevor steven would latch on to the other ones cross or just be at the back post um no incredible terrible player terrible player i've gone for i've gone for like three or four months away in runy i've brought ring runy on the right hand side um okay oh front three just again it's in terms of seeing players um listen he had he's only i know in the in he's only had actually what three seasons at everton but and at the end each end of each end of his career but just i i don't think there's been many players i've watched with such excitement as wing runy you know i'm obviously as at the arsenal game um as that leads the week after um and just to see him conjure those moments up and genuinely as a fan and this is the only time it's ever happened in my life genuinely watching a player that you think he's gonna be the best player in the world and there's no like there's no argument about that and i genuinely believe it if it stayed it if it stayed at everton he would have become the best player in the world if that makes sense i don't think he ever quite fulfilled that potential at man united but the reason he didn't feel that potential was for the for the good of the team the argument is if he'd stayed at everton could he ever got to the level to become the best player i fully understand that but the trajectory just wasn't quite the same when he went to man united he started playing in other positions and then renaudal become the main man and he took over and but runy just played in every other position but while he was at everton i genuinely felt like this lad is going to become the best player in the world and i've never felt like that for about anyone else no and it was just it was just those moments i mean i just remember them scoring that goal against Arsenal and it was just unbelievable we'd just broken their their unbeaten run which had lasted lasted for like a season and 12 games or something or something mad it's like 57 games or something or something or something like that but to do it like that to score in the last minute of a game you know pull the ball out the air and just turn and then bend it round david seamen into the top corner in the last minute of the of the game to show that kind of composure yeah but you remember this thing a minute later when he made troll Campbell and chips even and it landed on top of the net i mean i'm asking that of the drop thing as well and then the week later we go to leads where we haven't won since 1959 or something like one year yeah we go there and 1951 it comes on as a sub you know might have not started them comes on as a sub nil nil 10 minutes to go and the anticipation of it happening and he just picks the ball drops deep picks the ball up goes past people like they're not there and then as the composure to put it in and you just the place just went absolutely just nuts and tomorrow winds that was absolutely that was in front of me i was kissing the face of his dad and one of his brothers with it well as you're right he picked that ball off at leads and we all stood off with me like and he dropped lucas radda be goes to him lucas radda be was brilliant and he just went past them like he wasn't there and shaped the sheet knit it through the legs into that and the minute he hit it you can see it going in kind in the corner and there was just pandemonium in that end wasn't it and uh you're right he'd i remember going to black pain again we won one nil karen Campbell school did in school he'd come on we were in all black he'd come on and we were attacking the we were attacking our end but we were defending he got the ball on the edge of the box and the whole evidence stood up and he was 80 yards down the pitch and he picked the ball up and everyone went like that and then we were just laughing going home and he just he got us to the edge of the box and got a corner but it was like fans were expecting something every time he picked the ball remember seeing him in that the week before the season we played i think we lost at home to our normal spanish defeat rodrigo played but he played in the game and he was unbelievable he was amazing and i remember uh i was working there everything and he we had spares the first game of me and he come to the window on the friday was working the ticker off with his mate his mate was he had no top on and he was juggling the ball like kicking the ball against the wall and i was just laughing i'm thinking and hell and his mate bought a ticket for there was like there was a few tickets left and then he was just leaning on the thing like and he just he walked up i would like no no top you know she had trucked in his son he and you know skin he'd have to go you know he's blue he'd have to go white face floor he got a tap and the next day like i'm in the stand and he starts he's playing and i'm like you know there was he was just a kid playing footy but he was a kid playing he was just unbelievable and he's even said didn't he after that spares game i think he played 70 minutes didn't he set the goal up the appendage up didn't he do threw up and he went home and i've been playing the street with his mates for three or four hours after playing in the Premier League he was that kind of just a street footballer wasn't he and he what you've right he was for ability one of the best players england they've ever produced certainly one of the best players ever they've ever produced did not the best footballer ability wise they've ever produced um well that we've ever seen they might be older older members who are ever thrown into shape he was better or he was better but just for raw talent and ability and a hunger and desire to win and you're right if he would have had another couple of years of everything i think he'd have been even that Davey for england against take hits underland when he was 18 he was unbelievable he was just he was everything we knew we knew he was that good he might have been 17 actually he'd have gone into the euro was it 17 18 we knew he was that good but then everybody else he'd going called up at me and um he was signing and training he was like he swen out going out and he chipped the keeper he chipped the keeper and he was just he was just ridiculous and doing stuff and he had to play and then obviously went into that euros and he was incredible best player best player in the tournament and obviously he got that injury and a lot of people believe if he hadn't got that injury he'd have gone to england of the money because he was just unbelievable we had Beckham and people at yerard and people like that we had him at the top end of it and scoring goals in england of the money and obviously evident that we talked about that before and in a different position but i mean i remember games like the Bolton game the Bolton game you just don't believe like Darren Moore against West Brom where he was standing on the ball and Darren Moore was like oh you continue like that you won't get anywhere it's like sorry who are you like he was he was unbelievable i remember him scoring down at Portmouth and i remember him telling in that West Brom game telling Kevin Gammel to go to the 34 year old Kevin Gammel to go to Cornwall at 16 and that was how good he was Kev setting just ridiculous and saying that and then obviously he went away blah blah blah we don't know but then he came back and i was thinking about this the other day and you know it's the season he come back my gift for God about all the Smiths or he was brilliant for the first half of the season we should never i mean look on back and he shouldn't have got it i don't know what i mean i genuinely mean silver was in too much of a rush to try and brands probably to put the thing on it scored 11 goals from playing and he played in midfield for the second half of the season which is wide in score as many goals and yeah and also he should have been and he should have been managed better he should have been in and out of games rather than playing like an hour in every game some games he should have been on the bench and other games he should have played the full 19 minutes we were never getting to a lot the what we should out of them and anti-lottie or Duncan would have used them much better but that's he's first half of that season have he was brilliant you think about the goals he scored had to kick into westland win a new castle win in the first game of the season and what's seen on the day one one popped up to the day on my time man it was the goalie scored against Arsenal they're all bent her into the court and we got battered in it but he bent it and it's just like what a goal and i couldn't understand when they got rid of him because it was like couldn't promise some games and it was almost like we need to no it was financially but i still think he still had more in the tank i do i still think he could have played another year at everton i think and i think everton would have benefited from another year of him i do i do i'm other people might disagree but i think i think yeah i think you're right and we could have benefits for me whether or not was the right time to let him go that's a different i'm but but i just look at him and think highest goal highest score and goal scorer for england um won't that be something i just everyone would unite and i know that's not to do with those but from as an english player i've never been as i said and this is why he makes my team i've never been as excited about a player witnessing a player on the pitch there's talent and then there's just that thing directs a little thing and he he had it all he was amazing absolutely and the thing is he went on to to prove that he had it all that's the big thing it wasn't a case of ross barkley you were going this kid looks like he could be it and he's not really done anything doing he went on to do it all so fantastic play right let's get to let's get to the first striker you've gone for okay three two one graham shop we've both gone for graham shop we don't have to go on about we've done this you're not team actually but just as a target man a goal obviously big record goal scorer yeah since the post war goal scorer brilliant brilliant place got massive goals for us one of trophies one of the two league titles f1 cup european companies got scored in all the big games brilliant and was there for a number of years come from tumbarton stayed for 11 years or whatever and was fantastic and and you know and against him up nasty was able to was able to look after himself scored goals against liverpool big goals against liverpool could mix it you know could mix it up you know and even at coming to the end of his time at evidence scored in the d44 and our big goal in the 44 and things like that so was a was a fantastic player for everman there's obviously big evertonians still at the club now international ambassador and getting just for that because he's just think it was an incredible everton centre forward proper number nine yeah in the tradition of evertonians maybe it's overlooked because it's weird how he gets overlooked because he was some players stick around for so long that they've just become part of the thing so so they are you don't really you know it's an unexciting pick but listen second best ever in goal scorer of all time behind dixie dean that's not a bad place to be it no not it's not a bad place to be in at all so he's made both of our sides so let's move on to the final one the final player okay three two one he's gone for I have gone for dunking Vegas and quite simply is the the best everton centre forward I've ever seen say no for goals no no you're not wrong not not not the whole package yeah because there's like I've just said grains yeah brought your goals and could hold the ball up it's fantastic and yeah Wayne Rooney was a wonderful wonderfully talented everton footballer I spread last week yikubu brilliant finish like archie unbelievable finish but linicke for that one season was just you're talking about Rooney knowing what Rooney was going to do linicke the minute you slid the ball through you knew it was a goal yeah and in my opinion I haven't had a strike I like that since and we've had some really good strike is actually like archie was fantastic for everton but linicke I wish you were stunned if he missed and that to me is a is a massive mark about good someone is when that Oxford game gets talked about I said this the other day Oxford away gets spoken about because that was literally the only game he missed chances in you know what I mean whereas like if he'd have done that and it just be like we lost that game but people go the ox for gaming linicke I forgot everyone knows he forgot his boots the Wayne is normal boots that he won everyone knows that story because every other game he scored he scored and remember him getting a hat stick against bearing him city you know early on you know to start them off three brilliant goals you know and he scored a winner at that and it's hot in him he scored an FA cup just he was just unbelievable he really wasn't and it's again talking about plays you win you ever and could have benefited from and I know we won the league when we sold them but I still we don't want the league no with that we don't want the league with him it doesn't matter that doesn't matter what happened after he left you know he was phenomenal like phenomenal and I know people they said I'm I'm too young to fully appreciate him in terms of I always just remember when he left him a day and my dad and other people say well he changed the team changed because of him but he still scored enough goals really to win is what we needed to win so well we couldn't run us up in the league and lost an FA cup final yeah so we were we were yeah exactly so you can't say and it was like well 87 we went back to what we were but we still he still scored enough goal in terms of just being a footballer he was just goal scorer he was amazing he says it was the best team he ever played for he says Evan sold him he didn't leave you know he played in the world cup top goal scorer the biggest mistake ever never made was not putting a bar back close in his contact when he went to Barcelona they should have got face refusal on him when he was coming back so instead of him going to space because he still scored a lot of goals yeah yeah and he was still only about 28 so well we shouldn't have sold him we only sold him and everyone knows this story but because Howard was going to Barcelona and he wanted them with him and so we sold him to Barcelona based on the fact that our manager thought he had the job but the whole club the club should have gone well and gone now no he was got four he's got three years left he's had a four year contract he didn't go nowhere he'll sell him next summer if we have to or the summer after don't forget these are the days where Bosman wasn't it yeah so you weren't ever losing a player for nothing so we had protection he should have stayed if he had stayed we'd have still won the league in 87 we don't want to we don't want to because he scored enough goals and those other players would have done what he did yes we changed from the way we played 95 but we didn't go back to the way we played 95 and 87 we were just brilliant because we had a brilliant set of players and he was brilliant like you say it wasn't as if we finished 15 86 with him and when we went back when he went we went back to the top we were we were runners up we'd have beat Liverpool went on an unbelievable run don't forget when we beat Liverpool in Anfield we were I'm sure we went nine points clear off them when Radcliffe scored and Linnick has scored in that as well by the way and absolutely really can go slid in they just clipped it past the keeper of the cock we should have won it we cocked ourselves up we lost down a forest when we should never have done missing chances we got beat one nil down there you know which pulled Liverpool into a we then we went to Oxford we should have beat Oxford they're Oxford we should have at least got a point but we should have beat them you know and then we played with the Southampton on Saturday at home and he gets a hat-trick you know we win six one because he remember people he's like that to the I remember being in the Gladysseed the front and he was like everyone started that thing where the black story goes down Liverpool are getting beat because they were down at Chelsea and then I could say no and I was like there was something and everyone was like yeah and so because everyone starts cheering in the ground and the next minute it's all kind of about a crowd everything just went bang bang bang four goals immediately four in the lower half time like took the piss as if like we can win this we like let's step up and they come out in the second half and we ended up winning six one but it was flat because they come out now when Liverpool were winning and then the crowd didn't cheer against what they knew that big one but you know when I scored again on the Monday night against West Army beat them three one then he scores a week later in the FA Cup final he was just unbelievable for us and if he'd have been in Europe we'd have won the European Cup there's no question about that Stauer won it we the Piste we were the Piste because we were the by far the best and that's why he's in my team because he was quite simply and you know how I feel about I think when people ever asked me who was the one player if I could have now from the 80s I always say and people go and you go no for one season he was amazing and it doesn't matter what happened around him for one season he was amazing don't forget he'd been brilliant for Leicester which is why we bought him he was amazing for Leicester there was a few teams after him he'd come together because we were the champions they Liverpool wanted them and United wanted them he came through everything because we were the champions and he was amazing for us and we sold them you know if he'd have said you know that was that was the beginning of our downfall selling Linux because we Liverpool went away after we won in 87 when I got Beardsley Barnes and Aldridge and he helped me out but he then got the three three of the best players in the country at the time and then 88 we couldn't get near them you know obviously you know they went on a one the league in what 90 we couldn't get near them because they bought out those three players but when they were strong and we didn't we sold them you know but we that's what I'm saying we we've won the league they we we just started buying crap players where is live Liverpool like well we need to fight back here start to fight back but what was mad was we sold Linux above Dave Watson because we need you know he wanted another centre back obviously he felt was though we needed to be strong and that way we won the league with him but if he'd have kept Linux it as well that's what I'm saying we wouldn't have won the league anyway. Well he just said why why he's bought sold them though yeah and he admitted that himself how he did he did he said that himself so he signed a contract that he thought yeah so amazing play so you've gone for Duncan because probably a little bit you know I've already I've looked at the players that I've used I've looked at the squad and I thought well if it comes down to one more to be honest I couldn't think of any more Irish players for number one no no Kevin Kilban nearly yeah but I thought Duncan just embodies my life as an Evertonian really you know we came in in 94 when we were all desperate for a hero absolutely desperate for a hero I was a teenager and he I was you know I need I've gone into like senior school and I was big mouth Evertonian I had very little to back it up and then suddenly someone comes in who helps you back that up and how could you not fall in love with this fella I remember being at the derby 20th of November 1994 I was on my own I was on my own in the Gladys Street he used to go to games on my own that's how that's how it was yeah yeah and I just you know we were near the bottom they would talk they would talk we were bottom it was just a pure tension to the game as always and you know Duncan just gets this cut off a corner just gets his head there and he just immediately just people just immediately fell in love with him and and that was it that was the beginning of it wasn't it and obviously he had his he'd had his problems there was the threat of the 12 match band there was a threat of jail he ended up going to jail the band didn't happen because he said he couldn't punish him twice for absolutely nonsense that solidified his relationship with Evertonians and you know get to get to the end of the season when the FA Cup he said himself on the show how much he shouldn't have played in that game but it was just pure adrenaline you know and yeah and he just no matter what anyone says about I didn't do it he didn't play enough he was always injured this that the other it doesn't matter when you're when you're 14 15 16 and your whole life is a football club and you need someone to fight your battles for you're on the pitch that's what Duncan Ferguson did for me scored some really important goals love the club which it does matter you know it does matter when again in these cynical times or those cynical times or whatever that matters when you when I was that age it mattered to me it mattered I was I was in Evertonian who just felt like I was on my own a lot of the time because I was at which it matters on my own but that was just the way I was people were starting when I was that age people started getting older things going out and and I was still editing I was playing 40 in the street till I was like 17 18 I just wanted to play 40 all the time and still dreamed of being a footballer and just loved football it was me life absolute life and he was just my arrow and it didn't matter and okay that's another reason to get him in the side but he was a massively important player and when he left it was just so damaging to the fan base and to the relationship with Peter Johnson at the time that that was the end beginning the end for him and then obviously Duncan comes back scores a couple of goals at Godduson Park and then typical star gets injured and his alpha months and months and months but then come score scores more you know score we you know he scores more important goals again you know the team but and then you know since then got to know him a little bit come on the show and all that so yeah listen I love absolutely love Duncan Ferguson there's a big part of everything you just said he was a hero when he needed one we had you know I'm looking at everything and it's seven years early you know seven years earlier we would league champions and we were just going into the abyss almost we were we were falling quickly and don't come in and we had this lad who who had known about anyway but because we've been linked with him a few times you know he's at Dundee United and we got him and and yet a dab he go because he come in and played a few games and he hadn't done any he hadn't done much and we hadn't done anything but then obviously when Joe come in and we win the dab and he then you know we start to score and goals and we beat Leeds 3-0 and we won that on a Chelsea and stuff and everything snowballed he was a massive part of that and then won the FA Cup and you know he was just he went on to be such an important figure for everything turned up in the dab he's not what we needed we needed someone who'd show up for us and he did and and the the devastation when he left was changed the way certainly changed the way I felt about my club was that like you've allowed this to happen and you'd so out of touch with us as fans you know and I remember it he's the day beat Wimbledon 3-1 I think we won a chart one of the weekend and the after that we filmed he said I don't know I didn't hear the crowd I just wanted all evidence or and that when he's just gone to a new club just was like oh my god it made it worse than we'd because it was quite obvious remember his press conference he didn't want to be there he was sat there and he didn't want to be there he said himself didn't need to be there hoping that evidence call the deal off you know when he went and he was brilliant he was going for new castles he was great didn't he I didn't share it or something but when he come back I was working on the evidence at the time and the bus you know and now when it's just happened yeah yeah he's back today and he was back and it was just unbelievable and seeing how many people were out there in the park and you know we come on a subject lead the first game she's me lost potential on the road on the Wednesday night Tuesday Wednesday night you beat them 3-0 and guys are played and Jeffers and Duncan he got that tackle he had to did me but was done from behind by Richard Rufus he was not Rufus brother and he was like he showed us the scar he was out for you know four or five months and it just curtailed everything but the momentum he picked up but he went on and still was instrumental in us finishing fourth yeah it's got big goals that's he's not people kind of forget you know Norwich away and man United at home and beaming him three days later we were getting beat me score come off the bench and scored and you know he was he was everything when you look back apart from that team that you know the 80s team it's just him bent into my mind as you know it's like the epitome of whatever it is he's the most important figure from the rest of the year since by a mile to me Duncan Ferguson obviously be like you said we've got to know him a bit and he's an evertonian he's a absolutely breed and lips the club he loves going to see evertonians people who are um well if he can make their day a bit better than all that he loves it so incredible and we've had the moments of course which he didn't mention but him being the manager and the celebrations against and people shouldn't forget that we came out of Hanfield on our knees and in and in trouble let's have it we have 14 points we were in the bottom three we were in trouble after being spanked at Hanfield and he dragged us off the canvas to beat the Chelsea team we were bouncing everyone we beat them three on our own and they were fourth you know with with players who've done nothing and he got us you know he had us the only manager post world to have more only manager never in his history to manage more than one game and not lose in the league so he's got that and he's a big part of Carlo Ancelotti and a big part of everything football now so yeah everything you say he's right it's just that unbalance and what the others have done he wasn't getting my team but as an as a an evertonian and important he's far more important to me than Gary Lineke but I would have Gary Lineke because of the football with the goals so yeah outstanding I think the both to be honest I think the two good sides I think it'd be an interesting game between the two of them I mean you've had to have that rule like one pair square can we both play but it's good that we've had a little bit of a yeah yeah players as well yeah that's important but yeah because I put them in I was thinking because I love Don Utterson I still love them now and think you know I didn't know whether you'd be like Don Utterson and Gary's in yours so interesting it's all about time and place isn't it some people there'd be kids now we wouldn't be listening to this or watching this I'm thinking Don Utterson what Don Utterson but it was again it's that time in that place Gary's beat meant loads Don Utterson meant loads to me because I've got players there A to N you know it's like all time I love them the bounds of them but but these are some of those players that were like the likes of Utterson he was like he was like a beacon in that side he was so important to to again that fight he had a connection with the fans and he was great there you go that was good let us know your thoughts let us know your best ASC home nations 11 don't forget you can only have three maximum that is the real England Wales Scotland and Ireland the whole Northern Ireland yeah but it's the whole of Ireland yeah like the rugby okay the whole of Ireland the whole they're the home nations can you the whole whole of Ireland just do you just pick your team will you pick your team let us know what it is let us know and you know who do you think is our best team this I'm not bothered and it's not it and you're going Baz is better than mine or mine's better than Baz because at the end of the day we'll never know so we'll never know but that's where the supercomputer back even a supercomputer couldn't pick this it just couldn't it couldn't it couldn't come with the variables there you go so let us know thank you for watching and we'll see you later and 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