 Fun, yeah. VP. VP Network. So all of you are going to announce yourselves. We're good to go. So you let me know when to play music. Okay. I'll count myself in. And then I wrote a little blurb at the top from the call open. Huge. Thank you very much. So we'll do it like we did yesterday. Got it? Yep. Cool. All right. Three, two. Chris Allen has supported independent tech news directly for five years. We like Chris. Become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 29th, 2019. In LA, I am Sarah Lane. Patrick Beja. Roger, you told me to read the notes as they were written and that's what's written. So Patrick Beja. It's Patrick Beja from the, from the frigid, but unusually comforting waste of Finland. Well, that's a good one. Team effort, guys. I think you should write all of my intro. And the joining him of the same latitude or latitude or longitude. It would be latitude. Longitude. Longitude. Amos, who's helping me produce today's show because obviously you've got things under control. Yeah. Exactly. Hello. Hey, Amos. Good to have you. We're all going to be just fine. And because of me, Roger Chang, the show's producer. Cool. Now, tech out. No, it's going to be a great show. Patrick, it's so nice to see you. Amos, it's so nice to have you. Roger, as always couldn't do it without you. So let's start with a few tech things you should know. U.S. District Judge Lucico in San Jose, California. Perhaps you've heard of her rejected Yahoo's proposed settlement with millions of people whose email addresses and other personal information were stolen in the largest data breach in history, citing Yahoo's lack of transparency, such as not citing how many victims, how much victims, however, could expect to recover. Yahoo's settlement illustrated a $5 million payout plus two years of free credit monitoring for about 200 million people in the United States and Israel, adding up to one billion accounts. But that wasn't enough. Hmm. She must be so tired. Poor Judge Lucico. He needs a vacay. NVIDIA's Quadro Virtual Machine Workstation will now be available in the Microsoft Azure Marketplace. The virtualized workstations will offer NVIDIA's high-end to mid-level cloud GPUs for high-performance computing applications. The benefit to users is that they only pay as needed while leaving the underlying infrastructure management to someone else. The company believes these virtual workstations will be a special interest for firms involved with architecture, entertainment, oil, and gas, and manufacturing. Gmail is rolling out new interfaces based on the material design language for Gmail on Android and iOS in the coming week. So what can you look forward to? Changes include shifting the user's profile picture to the right-hand side. Attachments like photos and documents will be visible from the main inbox view. Switching between multiple Gmail accounts, that's actually very helpful, can be done by tapping the profile picture in the main screen. And giant red warning signs will appear on emails that are suspected of phishing. Excellent. Oh, Gmail. I mean, we've all got you. Nice that you get better all the time. All right, Patrick, let's talk a little bit more about where Amazon is expanding to, potentially. Well, I think everywhere, but in this specific case, CNBC is reporting that Amazon is launching a new marketplace focused on Saudi Arabia and the UAE and asking sellers to move to Amazon over suke.com, which Amazon bought for $580 million back in 2017. Sources say Amazon has been reaching out to large third party sellers in North America about the Middle Eastern expansion. So it sounds to me as though, I mean, Suke, which is now an Amazon company, is being absorbed in a bigger way, right? Amazons are saying, don't use them anymore. Use us because they own both. So it's more of just bringing more stuff in house. But if you have a lot of third party sellers who are selling to, again, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, perhaps markets that were largely untapped in the past, then I can see where Amazon's going with this. Right. It's probably a lot easier to grow that market for Western and North American sellers if they have a place that is the same as the one they're already using, namely Amazon. Doesn't necessarily mean suke.com is going to go away, although it might down the line. But Amazon being over there might be an easier way to get more sellers to sell more things in more places, which is what Amazon is all about. I would also love for them to come to the Nordic countries. So thank you very much. Thank you in advance, Amazon and Mr. Bezos. All right, moving on to, well, this story, it writes itself, US prosecutors have filed criminal charges against Huawei alleging that it stole trade secrets from T-Mobile in the US and committed bank fraud by violating sanctions against doing business with Iran. We have reported on the story in the past on the show, but there's some more information now. The 13-count indictment filed in New York, the latest one anyway, claims that both Huawei, two affiliated companies and chief financial officer Meng Wenzhou engaged in bank and wire fraud and conspiracy in connection with businesses in Iran. Additional charges filed in Washington state accused the company of stealing trade secrets from T-Mobile and offering bonuses to employees who did the same. In a statement, Huawei said, quote, the company denies that it or its subsidiary or affiliate have committed any of the asserted violations of US law set forth in each of the indictments and is not aware of any wrongdoing by Ms. Meng and believes that the US courts will ultimately reach the same conclusion and quote. Patrick? Ooh. Yeah. I mean, it's getting messy, isn't it? It is getting really messy and it's very difficult to see clearly in all of this because it would seem that the US judicial system wouldn't go that far if it was just something that they're trying to use as leverage in the trade war, which is one of the scenarios that a lot of people have thought about when this initially started. On the other hand, a strong denial from Huawei and it does seem like it's a little bit, I don't want to say unbelievable, but it's a lot of things and the kind of thing that no one would dare, I don't know enough about the criminal financial world, I suppose, but it seems like you wouldn't get away with stuff like that. So I don't know if it happens all the time and now they're using this and putting a bigger focus on it because of other reasons, it's a little bit out of my comfort zone. We used to talk about gadgets and apps and now we're talking about incredibly wide reaching financial fraud. Well, I think you make a good point. You read a story like this and you go, whoa, this is crazy. Does this happen though? More often than we think and this is just something that we're hearing about now. And again, where you and I stand on this, it's somewhat hard to say. What is easier to say though is what's happening with the soon to be released Metro Exodus game. The PC version of that game is bypassing the Steam Store and releasing exclusively on the Epic Game Store. The release on Epic will also see a price drop from $59.99 to $49.99, US dollars only in the US. The CEO of Deep Silver, the game's publisher, said the move reflects Epic's generous revenue terms, our game changer that will allow us to allow publishers to invest more into content creation or pass on savings to the players. The company added any customer with an outstanding pre-order of Metro Exodus on PC through any other digital retailer, Steam will receive the game as expected. All right, Pashak, as resident gamer on the show, at least at this time, what do we think about this? Is exclusivity on Epic Games a good thing? What are your initial thoughts? I will tell you what you think about this, Sarah. Anyone who has listened to MVGB, our monthly video game briefing, knows that what Epic has done by introducing their new game store on the PC platform is attack Steam where it hurts in the wallet. Steam has used the revenue share model that everyone uses, which is 30% for themselves and 70% for the developer or the publisher. With the Epic game store, the split is $12.88, which is an enormous difference. Obviously, if someone would offer you a raise of getting home 18% even more, given that proportion, more money just by flipping one switch, I think a lot of people would say, I'm going to go to the place where there's more money and this is what's happening here. We have seen a few other cases. This is a relatively high important one because the game had already been in pre-sale on Steam and now it's not available to buy anymore pre-sale or regular order, so it led to a lot of questions about additional content and delivery. They will be delivered as promised, but it still means that there is a community that is a little bit unhappy. Overall, beyond all of the ramblings, the developer actually is squabbling with the publisher because they are not in control of this decision and their players are not happy. The bottom line is, as always, it's a lot more money on the Epic game store. Steam is unhappy. Some people are unhappy, but things are going to have to change for Steam because this is going to keep happening and keep happening if they don't do something about it. Well, in news of things potentially changing, Facebook and Nick Clegg, who is their new head of global affairs, are accused by Brussels, that's Brussels, Belgium, of taking a, quote, patchy, opaque and self-selecting approach to tackling disinformation. Facebook was one of several companies that this description applied to by the EU Commissioner Sir Julian King. Tuesday, the commission published the first report submitted by Google, Firefox's Mozilla, Facebook, Twitter as well, on their adherence to the Voluntary Code of Practice, all signed back in October. The code states that all are obliged to disrupt revenue for accounts and websites misrepresenting information, clamp down on fake accounts and bots, give prominence to reliable sources of news, and improve the transparency of funding of political advertising. Last one's a bit of a doozy. This all, you know, we knew that the EU Commissioner had this in mind. Patrick, you're certainly closer to Brussels than I am at this point. But, you know, at this point, it seems to be, it's another day, it's another kind of dig into the social networks that now say, sorry, we didn't know that we were doing this term. I think, you know, I think it is starting to be a little bit significant because this is not, I mean, the people who dislike Facebook will keep disliking Facebook and have always disliked Facebook. Now we're in the stage where the issues that Facebook has had have become public for a while. And we're not judging the issues themselves anymore. We're judging the way Facebook has been dealing with these issues. And more and more people are saying they are not happy, not just that there were issues to begin with, but that it's about how Facebook has you know been declaring with an open heart we will do our best to fix all of these problems that we are very aware of. And of course they had been saying this before, and Mark Zuckerberg has said this a million times, but in this case it's the big one. And the fact that they are not being judged by, you know, whoever, it doesn't matter if it doesn't even matter if it's true or not. The fact that they are being judged as this harshly, patchy opaque and self-selecting, they are not even trying their best to fix the issues. It's the message you get out of all of this. And that's bad. Well, and on the show yesterday we had Aaron Carson and Kiki Sanford on our panel. And we talked about the idea that Facebook is putting together at least in theory if this all goes through an independent board of non-Facebook employees with specialties and all sorts of different disciplines that will help Facebook become stronger and more honest and et cetera. And it all sounds great, doesn't it? But at the same time you know, and these are tech people sort of sitting around going like, yeah, well we'll see. We'll see how this shakes out. It sounds good on paper, sure. But I don't think this versus actual change hard to say. And that's the problem. If it's been lip service to these people for a few times, at some point it doesn't even work anymore even if it does sound good. And I think we're kind of reaching that milestone for Facebook. All right. Well, speaking of milestones we got Apple earnings putting in these numbers. CNBC reports that Apple earnings for its December quarter, the most recent quarter its holiday quarter, very important quarter are in. The earnings are $84.3 billion versus $83.97 billion estimated. So they beat expectations there. iPhone revenue was $51.98 billion versus $52.67 billion estimated. Okay. That's a huge surprise given some of the news that we've heard as of late. Services revenue, $10.9 billion versus $10.87 billion estimated. Services is one of those catch-all categories that includes Apple Pay, Apple Music, iCloud Storage marked a 29% U over year increase looking at the cloud. People are using the cloud more and more. Overall in line with expectations, especially with Tim Cook's statement earlier in the month about slowdown in sales in China, possibly being a drag on revenue. Patrick, I know these are preliminary numbers and we'll talk more about it in the show tomorrow, but are you surprised by anything given the fact that Apple did have to adjust some earnings expectations going forward which was a big deal a couple of weeks ago? Yeah, it definitely is. The big takeaway is they reached their adjusted earnings estimate so that's not bad, of course, they were adjusted, but obviously the iPhone slowed down. This is just maybe not the beginning. There might be some years where they go back up again, but it's a warning sign and the big surprise to me, maybe it was obvious to everyone else, is that revenue is growing that fast. I'm sorry, revenue on services is growing that fast and Tim Cook has mentioned that they are going to introduce a number of other services that will help that trend. We've seen rumors about the game service, the game subscription service just today and of course the TV services has been in preparation for a long time. Services are obviously a much smaller part of Apple's earnings, but it's a fifth of the iPhone. That's not significant at all. Especially when you think of huge markets like China slowing down and really affecting something like Apple's bottom line when it comes to hardware and everyone who follows Apple, I don't know the evolution of Apple saying well it's a hardware company, all the services stuff is just icing on the cake. At what point does it change to Apple is a services company, hardware great makes good stuff, but their bottom line eclipses it in the software side. At least it should be getting more balanced over the next few years. I think it would probably be advantageous of Apple to do that. Everybody to get all the tech updates each day in about five minutes or less. Subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com Oh Patrick, I wish I could say we were done with Apple news, but we're not. Apple has taken group FaceTime offline after a bug was discovered and this is significant that lets users call anybody via FaceTime and then hear the audio from the recipient's phone before the recipient has accepted or even rejected the incoming call. Worse nightmare. Apple says that the issue would be addressed in a software update later this week. The bug is believed to affect any pair of iOS devices running iOS 12.1 or later 9.95 Mac claims to have replicated the problem with an iPhone calling a Mac as well suggesting it goes from iOS to macOS and says that if a user presses the power button from the lock screen during the process recipient's video can be sent as well. Now Apple is saying listen huge problem, there was a patch we got this and it probably won't be an issue anymore. Okay that would be expected. But this is and Patrick please weigh in on this. To me there was a time where Apple was that OS whether it be mobile or desktop OS where they didn't have issues like this. This is a very big privacy breach perhaps the biggest. Well it's the worst nightmare that you can think of. It's everyone has a phone with cameras what if someone or anyone could turn it on without you realizing. This is the nightmare scenario. However and I'm really torn on this it kind of it was an issue for about I don't know 5 hours and Apple obviously got on it and you know as the story of that bug was spreading over the past I would say 20 hours the issue had been quelled for like 70% of that time and it was not possible to do this anymore unless there is another form of the bug that we haven't heard about yet but because Apple has been on point and has disabled group face time from which the issue came the bug was spreading and people were freaking out a little bit but it was addressed as a you know measure until we actually get the fix out so on the one hand I want I understand and I kind of want to say oh my god the worst thing possible that you could ever imagine happened for privacy issues has happened to Apple of all companies and on the other hand you know my rational brain is thinking okay it's a very bad bug but it's a bug that's been addressed immediately and that is not possible to replicate anymore so is it really a big deal well okay so taking into account our previous story Apple's latest earnings and we're gonna have to unpack that a little bit more and think about what some of these numbers mean but the fact that Apple has dealt with some earnings issues some peer issues does this lend itself to people believing less in the Apple ecosystem which I think is very important especially if it wants to gain ground as a services company well I mean for my money I think it lends itself to inflammatory headlines and if Apple hadn't addressed this as quickly as they did which of course they would because this is the entirety of their livelihood and their messaging that we are the secure piece of tech that you can trust if they hadn't addressed it then yes there would be legitimacy to the inflammatory nature of some of the headlines we've seen since they have addressed it I think again to me I think they're proving that they are worried about these things and when something happens you can be certain that if you know one company can address it it will be Apple or one company has the desire and the financial incentive to address it very quickly it's Apple I don't know every scenario is different and no other company is like Apple so it can't really compare but bugs happen we say this all the time and sometimes egregious security issues happen and sometimes it takes some companies that are the victims of these security issues a little bit more than a few hours to address them and of course it won't be your camera on your phone but it might be access to an account somewhere in the cloud and stuff like that that can be also very damaging so to me Apple has reacted the way they should have in a world where they are consistent with their messaging about we care about your privacy I understand why people want to point fingers and certainly the bug is a bad thing but bugs happen it's just one that touches on something that inserts itself into our psyche because it's microphones and cameras but bugs happen the timing is right this is an era where we all have echo speakers but we're afraid that they're listening to us the idea that some telemarketer calls me via FaceTime rings on my Mac because I don't know my phones in the other room and there's certain software who placed the call has a particular iPhone might be able to get video from my computer oh my goodness even though it seems like a short lived issue pretty big one it's a privacy nightmare for folks we're all better off understanding why it happened and why it shouldn't happen again what we do want to happen more is Chris Christensen weighing in today Chris says do you work remotely for a tech company and thinking about relocating to another state well by the amateur traveler have some news for you this is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute well this is a tech and relocation minute for you if you are a remote worker because the technology now allows you to do that remotely there are places that will pay you to live there the two most recent ones were Vermont will pay you $10,000 if you move there and work from home for an out of state employer the grants can be used for relocation computer software and hardware broadband internet and access to a co-working space and then similarly Tulsa has a project where they're offering selected candidates $10,000 grant and a bunch of benefits in exchange for working there for at least one year you can get an apartment for a third the price and lots of other things if you're willing to work remote there are people that would like to have you travel there and live there both of these programs have limited slots so act now I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler Patrick Tulsa Vermont I was going to say how much snow do they have Vermont has a lot it's a scarce state oh alright well then never mind I have it all I don't know it's beautiful though it's beautiful here as well have you seen my Instagram have you seen my Instagram Sarah yes I know Finland is beautiful and my son is the cutest baby there is so actually I don't need Vermont maybe you visit let's agree on that sounds like two places to visit for sure let's check out the mail bag we have gotten an influx of in ear earbuds based on me in a good day internet episode sometime back say I just need something I don't like what Apple gives me they don't fit my ears anyway we got a real nice email from Steven with a PH who says these headphones are awesome he's talking about the Plantronics Backbeat Fit Bluetooth headphones Steven says I wear them all day I wear them in the shower they're about $50 a Costco so you might be a Costco subscriber you might not but I wanted to ask you Patrick because I don't believe you are part of the original conversation if you have some headphones that cannot be beat actually my answer might disappoint you I love my AirPods I think they're the best I've ever designed in their history well alright please don't be sorry if you feel that way that's great I wish they fit my ears but thanks again to Steven everybody else who's given me so many great options I should probably do a show on earbuds and how they fit and how they work in the shower so we'll be doing that pretty soon but also thanks to Patrick Beja and Tuesday Patrick I know it's late where you are I know it's dark, I know it's snowy but let folks know how you're keeping up with all your tech well I guess I'm going to tell about gaming of course I mentioned MVGB the monthly video game briefing that you can subscribe to if you are a casual gamer if you're a more core gamer I would suggest pixels where we cover the more general gaming news and the last episode we had a lot of fun with Emma from Your Gamer and we have different people on every two weeks it's a fun show I encourage you to subscribe to if you like gaming it's called pixels well thank you for being with us can't wait to see you next week also our goal each month is to 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you get a bushel you gotta eat them one bad apple spoils the bushel or whatever how many apples in a bushel a lot I always can imagine a bushel good answer many it's a bushel a bushel is a bunch I don't know or a US pint or 35.2L for you that means nothing to me how many apples those are the apples right it was like a red delicious that's equivalent of two what's the little tiny ones the Fuji's no no you're thinking of what you're thinking of three bites I'm a big mouth Gravenstein is a small apple but people usually don't eat those you just bake them because they're very tart but I know what you mean small apples Patrick what is Finland's most I don't know biggest export export well I mean have you seen Game of Thrones yes what's the most northern region of Game of Thrones that you can remember the north right beyond the wall do you think anything grows there probably not this is what it is here growth here I'm pretty sure I remember summer and berries and stuff like that but I kind of think I imagine them as well I'm not certain they actually exist so the country is not known for exporting a fruit fruits there might be some that grows you're probably importing a lot of stuff from the southern I don't think we export I've become Finnish I don't think we export much fruits the Finns are very fond of their berries in summer it's like a whole thing I'm not sure they who could blame them berries are wonderful you got you've got blueberries blueberries you're not a big fan of berries no I'm not I broke what does that mean what does that mean you don't like blueberries in your yogurts or your sweets I don't like yogurts okay alright hold on you like a nice banana so Sarah we are so close in our minds and spirit I was just going to tell you a quick story about the joke we kept having with my wife because I kept saying I don't like berries and at some point 3 or 4 years into our relationship I discovered that technically bananas are berries and it was at some point at lunch or dinner I can't remember and she was like oh but you don't even like berries and I was like I actually love bananas and proved her wrong and it was very funny because you know banana this came full circle without me even trying yeah yeah that was I was like do you not like berries you don't like fruits do you not like bananas you're like actually that's a berry cornerstones of french cuisine which ones fruit like aren't fruit is it fruit oh yes yes no but I don't dislike fruit it's just berries yes I just you don't like hate a blackberry you're just saying you don't care if you hate one or not no no I actively dislike the taste of most berries I will not question whatever culinary advice or opinion you ever give from this point forward this relationship has become contentious I have to support Patrick in this I have to support Patrick because all melons have a similar flavor and I eat melons oh wait wait wait wait a second melon melon delicious what are you talking about well so are strawberries but I'm trying to support you here ok thank you I appreciate it I will rest my outrage alright so Patrick I'm not going to harp on this too much because you're entitled to your opinion but if you do like pie are you a man who likes a nice pie I mean if the pie is a pie made with berries then no because I don't like berries ok alright I was trying to get this ok ok well I got nothing so your technique Sarah was to convince me that I like berries I wanted you to say yeah I like pie and I would be like I've never had a Tay berry pie and you'd say probably not right because that's like a certain kind of berry that happens in California I don't know you're asking if I like if I like things that are made with berries is your well I wanted to ask specifically if you liked berry pie because it is the best thing that is made berries ok which berries which berries specifically I would say blackberry would all be part of that kind of berry we're not talking strawberries or blueberries those are different berries oh alright well you know what I don't really know many of the berries you mentioned some men still hope I think I know what the problem is you have the same problem that I have with the inferior apple some apples are just too sweet to be in a pie you actually want the the less sweet the turts perhaps a little sour apple to be in the pie I'm going to make you a berry pie Patrick and you're going to like it make it out of wine grapes maybe I would like it what no like a nice bordeaux pie actually I've never tried that I don't know how that works it doesn't taste good but man after four slices does it matter alright well that wonderful thought I will go away and go to sleep because it's late here but I will keep that image of possibly one day enjoying berry pies because you will be it will be the ones that Sarah makes that obviously are delicious that's right and by me I mean my mother I cook than I am but it's fine she'll be happy to do it that sounds wonderful alright well look forward to thanks Patrick stay warm see you next week you too thanks everyone thanks Amos thanks Roger bye and thanks chatroom I love you too chatroom I'm going to call this show we have apples bugaboo meet amazon in the middle a bugs life no huawei I'm getting that phone get it no way I'm getting that phone oh that's the metro exodus from steam huawei the court apple audio is not a feature not a bug no huawei they're getting away I kind of like I kind of like apple it just bugs but that's a little I don't know a bug in the apple people said 10 years ago that's kind of funny a bug in the apple yeah yeah that's a good one I've made a mistake and bought a wormy apple once I was very disappointed when I've been into it and discovered my mistake I don't know that I've ever had a wormy apple I've had a mealy apple hmm those are like soft and weird there wasn't a worm and it was just like a crappy apple yeah I would assume that's the case with those yeah you know what's funny is we're just going to basically order a case full of hostess spies for Patrick and just mail it to him no no no no we have to convince him that we're right you guys those ads in the comic books indicate that you just have to send him a hostess pie he'll be like hmm these aren't really good no we need to bake a perfect boys and berry pie and somehow also send him really good vanilla ice cream because you know that's what he's really good they must do ice cream I mean it's cold they have cows right but you don't want to send him a pie and be like now go to the store and get ice cream you just have to send him everything and be like you tell me this isn't good he won't be able to I'm sure that if you go to the farmers market and get ice cream in one of their kind of quaint turn of the century ice cream holders right Patrick here's your pie please go to your nearest farmers market and get very quaint vanilla ice cream would you call a farmers market in France is all our markets well right yeah lots of them I would assume the Finns probably have farmers markets of their own Patrick said they don't seem super fruit forward it's just a bunch of berries a lot of berries and just a cart full of hostess pies fresh baked hostess pies well the funny part like the funny part is like I love a good hostess pie but that's not a real pie that's a whole different thing it's a pie it's a dessert it's the final part of a complete lunch it is Sarah yeah you can't live with that one but it's not real pie yes Amos there are approximately 126 medium sized apples in one bushel oh nice that is according to best-easy.apple-recipes.com so bad URL hopefully good information good yeah it is very much so I used to live on an apple Richard I should probably know how many apples are in a bushel but again as we mentioned different sized apples different amount of apples so it's a big I don't know it's a big trough a bushel is like a trough of around a hundred apples give or take yeah a trough of apples bobbing for apples who did that when they were a kid I've done that but it was always it was always outside of halloween I never associated with that halloween halloween thing you do at the county fair no thanks everyone likes them in the fall yeah it's just like a summer thing oh you love bobbing for apples there are secrets to bobbing effectively though there's a technique to it especially dependent on the size of the apples you were bobbing for correct that also factors in if you have your own teeth and they're strong right no it's true you gotta go also like neck you have to almost be like a little eel in there and really get that apple probably talking a little bit too much about my love of apples but if you want to hear us talk about other stuff stay tuned to the audio channel of your Patreon subscriber for everyone else on youtube thank you for sticking with us and we'll see y'all on manyada see you tomorrow, audio folks there's more to come