 The problem with drawing people on the internet is that people on the internet are hidden behind encryption. Yeah, but then when you finally see them, you know exactly, hey, yeah, that guy is from the internet. I'm going to encrypt myself. You do that. It's good policy. All right. Hey there, Darren. Hey there, Tom Merritt. Thanks for joining me. I am very excited. I'm actually very excited about the post show, but this is the pre-show. The post post show is actually the best part, but that's not its own thing yet. Yeah. No, you can't wait. You can't wait for it. Yeah. It's podcast inception here. It's beyond beyond. You have to know somebody. I can't even get into that. Whoa. Yeah. That's going to require a wrist badge. Yeah. A wrist badge. What is that? It's like a band. All right. 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A miniscule portion of the daily tech news show was brought to you by me because I went to patreon.com slash ace detect and donated a dollar a month to a podcast that I really enjoy. Won't you join me? This is the daily tech news for Friday, June 19th, 2015. I'm Tom Marin joining me today is Darren Kitchen of hack 5.org. So good to be here, Tom, coming in for the Threat Wire stage today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Threat Wire is kicking it, man. You guys are just blowing it away with that. It's Patrick Mondays, right? Shannon Wednesdays and you on Fridays. Yeah. Oh, oh, we're going to throw you for a loop because I think Shannon's taking next Monday. What? What? No. Rotation of the security, privacy and internet freedom. That's a good way to, you know, keep things shaken. Yeah. Keep things interesting. Totally. So go check that out. Also with us as he is most Friday is Mr. Len Peralta to illustrate the show. How are you, sir? I'm doing well and I'm coming to you from the really, really dirty second floor bedroom in my house. It's a lovely dirty second floor bedroom. Thank you. Really? There's no bed in here. I clean up in here. It's your office, right? You don't even have the bowl of spaghetti on the end of the desk. You're fine. Hey, man, it's rigatoni night tonight, so get ready. Rigatoni? Yeah. What phase of web development does rigatoni represent? I don't know. Let's find out. I'll leave that as an exercise to the user. Here's some headlines. The next web reports that Twitter is testing two new types of pages. You thought it was enough yesterday with the whole project lightning announcement? Well, you can actually find them right now. First, businesses now have dedicated pages where users can find information, images, related tweets, prices, and in great news for businesses, users can buy products right from the app or website. Just click on the buy it from Twitter button now if you want to. The second page is called Collections where anybody can aggregate products and places that might be of interest to your followers. I was trying it out earlier today. I don't know what I would use it for, but if you want to know what types of products Reese Witherspoon and William Shatner really love, today's your lucky day. Tom, I feel really sad saying this, but I feel like this is something that I would have liked maybe if Twitter did in 2008. Maybe that's just me personally not being as hyped as I used to be about the service. But I'm wondering how much of this is going to become one of those features like lists that 99% of the people just don't get. I imagine the business pages will find their niche, right, for businesses who want to promote like, hey, find all of our products over on the page thing. The collections really does have a list like feel unless somebody figures it out, right, and cracks it and says, oh, you know, who has a great collection is Reese Witherspoon. And then we all start making collections along those lines. But yeah, kind of not. That one's not as obvious to me quite yet. They just got to keep at it. USA Today reports, Google says it will honor requests to remove nude or sexually explicit images posted on the internet without consent. The same way it honors requests to remove personal information, like bank accounts and social security numbers. Now, I kind of misspoke there. They'll honor request to remove links from their search engines. They can't actually remove the source material itself. An online form will launch in the coming weeks for submitting requests. Google normally only removes links subject to a valid legal request, but they're adding this as one of their exceptions. Right, I spoke to my co-host Shannon earlier about this who said, quote, I'll drink to that. You can read more at snubzy.com and see why. Personally, I'm always like really conflicted as a first amendment lover. I'm always really challenged when it comes to any sort of censorship. But this is something I can really get behind. And I have to remind myself that Google isn't like a public service. They are a private entity. And they can't remove what's on the internet. They're just the phone book or a phone book. Even the legal principle of freedom of expression in various countries has limits. There is speech that is not acceptable to the general public. And so you can't yell, fire in a crowded theater for instance, right? And so for a private company to say, you know what, we would like to make an engine that arbitrarily and without judgment on content ranks what it thinks is the most interesting links. But when it comes to child porn, we're going to say no, we don't want that. When it comes to your personal bank information, we're going to say no, we want that. And now they're saying when it comes to revenge porn, no, we're not going to allow that either. You know what I actually, I think the most thing, the number one thing that resonates in this story actually, and it kind of ties along with what we'll be talking about later, is this didn't come out because of some right to be forgotten legislation from the EU or something like that. This is Google just making a choice. And it's really awesome to see kind of the policies that are being made just by companies that are doing good. Yeah, and it is really interesting to compare it to the right to be forgotten, which Google sort of passively is resisting because they say we don't believe that's a correct implementation. And it's all a matter of opinion. The European government says, no, this is definitely a right. Google says, we don't think it should be because we think it has a chilling effect, et cetera, et cetera. And again, it's not about, well, if you allow some speech, you have to allow it all. It's all a discussion about where the line is. The US FCC has clarified its interpretation of a 1991 Consumer Protection Law to assert that text messages are the same as phone calls when it comes to robo calls. And phone carriers may block robo calls and text messages to consumers if asked. Wall Street Journal reports that despite the creation of a national do not call list, the FCC still receives more complaints about robo calls than any other issue. The FCC will also make it easier to remove consent for robo calls. You have to have a consent to do a robo call. You can remove that consent. But the FCC is saying, well, you've had to jump through a few too many hoops. We're going to make it easier for you. This is actually really interesting, again, in talking about our main discussion story today, in that here it is, citizens looking to the government, looking to the FCC to change what is really a technological problem that is very similar to the spam in your inbox. You can't have an open form of communications without having it open to everything. But we've tackled the spam issue by having good filters. And the same could be said to phone calls and text messages, say, for instance, if you have an Android phone, a recent one where you can actually enable what they call a priority mode, where you can actually have a white list of only these phone numbers can call me or text me during certain hours. There's so many technological solutions to this. And I just find it fascinating that, what, begging the government to create a list that will probably not be respected by said robo callers? Well, robo calls, robo call people do get sued. So the lists have proved to be somewhat effective. They're not 100% effective. But I know what you're saying is, you can take these matters into your own hands and maybe have a little more efficacy, or just handle who is able to call you better, how you use your phone number. There's all kinds of approaches to it. Personally, there's already a law in the books. And I think, to me, the most important thing here is that the FCC said, yeah, text messages, robo calls. You Congress can decide if there needs to be laws against these. But for the purpose of the law, we're going to interpret them the same way. And I think that's right. 95 Mac reports that the original iPad Mini has disappeared from Apple's website and is no longer available to purchase new from the Apple Store. It was introduced back in October 2012, if you recall. So it's the last of the non-retina tablets. Refurbished minis are still available from the Apple Store for $209. New iPad minis can still be bought from third-party resellers until they run out of stock. But it sounds like that's it for non-retina tablets. Tom, I actually learned this from sources close to the matter. But after losing the phablet front, Apple is coming back hard with the first-ever 7.9-inch iPhone. Take that, Samsung Note. That's what's happening. Yes. And Gadget passes along a report from Juventude Rebelde that Cuba's telecom company will open Wi-Fi hotspots in 35 locations around the country, starting in July. An hour will cost you $2 with speed kept at 1 megabyte per user, according to the quote. I'm assuming they mean 1 megabit per second. Is the top speed? Or maybe they only get to download 1 megabyte. I don't know. The 35 Wi-Fi hotspots are on Cuba. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, give them more Wi-Fi. Just throw some more Wi-Fi at it. You know how I feel about that? I do. You do. I do. Reuters reports Nokia is finally admitting it wants to get back to the phone business. Nokia can't sell its own phones until 2016 due to its agreement to sell its handset business to Microsoft, which it did a while ago. But Nokia CEO Rajiv Suri told Germany's manager magazine that Nokia, quote, will look for suitable partners to design and license phones to be manufactured under the Nokia brand name. And Nokia doesn't have factories for this anymore. But they can do what Apple does. They can design them. They can license them and then have somebody else build them. They can even go one better and let somebody else sell them just using the Nokia name if they want. Let's look at some news from you. These come from our subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Get in there and do some voting, folks. D8UV would like you to know that the Heinz company had a great idea. They put a QR code on their ketchup bottles so the ketchup enthusiasts could design their own labels by scanning the QR code, go to the website, design their own label. German man named Daniel Karel thought that's a great idea. So he scanned the QR code from his ketchup bottle on his phone and he was directed to German porn site Fundorado. Turns out Heinz ran the contest between 2012 and 2014 and then shut it down. The link expired and someone else took over the domain. Unlike the ketchup in Daniel Karel's fridge, apparently the link expired. Karel wrote to Heinz on Facebook saying, your ketchup isn't really for underage people. Heinz's social media team apologized, said Karel could still design his own label and porn site Fundorado offered Karel a free year subscription to their site. So pretty good day for Daniel Karel. Oh my gosh. I just, okay, so here's my thought on the matter. To any company that's going to try to do this, whether it be social media or a QR code on your product, learn this one beautiful part of your HTTP server. It's called a 301 redirect. And you can use it to say, for instance, have HeinzKetchup.com slash whatever you want, go to anywhere you want. So you don't have to put some domain on the phone. And then keep that domain name. Cause I don't think they're going to lose HeinzKetchup.com anytime soon. You wouldn't think, but you know, maybe they forget to do it and then, you know, some porn site pops up on HeinzKetchup.com. It's like, whoa, that's not cat soup. Well, the lesson to me is always use a condiment. Star Fury Zeta submitted the IT world article that the US court of appeals for the Ninth Circuit rules Thursday. Why are you laughing? The Google Earth images can be used as evidence in court. Sayano, Lizaraga Tirado claims he was on the Mexico side of the border when US agents arrested him and charged him with illegal reentry. The government has introduced GPS coordinates recorded at the arrest and used Google Earth to show that the location was on the US side of the border. Court determined that the machine results cannot be dismissed as hearsay, though they could be contested on grounds of accuracy and significantly, Lizaraga Tirado is not combating them on the accuracy portion. Man, you are just like killing it with the pronunciation today. Anyway. Gracias. Yes, Tom, I don't know any of the details of this case except it does bring to mind one very important fact that I think should like really be touched on here. We talk so much about surveillance and we never talk about surveillance. Are you familiar with that concept? Is that where you just sue someone and just stopping looking at you? No, no, so sue valence is actually the opposite of surveillance. It's kind of like the Ravens. It's who watches the watchers. The concept is kind of like tied in with other things like life blogging and things of that nature. Oh, okay, gotcha. You imagine, and this is really something great like Google glass wearers or anything like that, especially if you're in say a protest situation to actually have a recording of the video of what you're seeing, right? And as well as say for instance, if it were tied into GPS and would always have a record of where you've been. Now that's scary when it's a government tracking you through your cell phone and things of that nature, but it's actually empowering when you have the same kind of data that you can give to a court and can test traffic violation where a cop got unruly or in this case, which side of the border are you on? So I just need to throw that out there because I know a lot of people aren't familiar with the term surveillance and I think it's apropos here. Yeah, it is. And I think it helps clarify what's going on here. What the judge, see what Lisa Raghattarado claimed was, hey, that's a computer, that's hearsay. That's not an expert witness. That's not evidence. That's just hearsay. And the judge said, not hearsay. You can contest the accuracy of the machine, but you can't say the machine is just asserting something without backing. We're gonna call that evidence. And so that's when surveillance, as you're saying, would come into play is to say, oh, well I have this GPS tracker of my own that shows that I was on the Mexico side of the border and then you would have to get into contesting which of the machines was more accurate. He isn't doing that from what I can tell. So he was just trying to get the evidence dismissed and it didn't work. And that's a look at the headlines. So interesting sponsored post up on Wired today. Now it's sponsored by Nokia so I don't think there's any conflict between the content of the post and the sponsor. But it was about something called Global Solution Networks which is a company or an organization that was founded by management professor Don Tapscott in 2013 to study new models of global problem solving from their website. They say, enabled by the digital revolution, multi-stakeholder, self-governing networks are transforming how we solve global problems. Now the contention of Tapscott and he's been on its area. You look on the internet for this guy and you see him everywhere writing pretty much the same thing. He's definitely on message is saying, yeah, non-governmental organizations have been transformed by digital technology to the point that they can now do things that governments cannot. Governments are often debt ridden. They're often paralyzed by bureaucracy or politics and they can confront poverty, starvation, water scarcity, et cetera. And so these new things that he calls Global Solution Networks can step into the gap. Now here's how he defines one. They attack a global problem. They're not a localized issue. They're multi-stakeholder in that they involve civil organizations that we would consider non-governmental organizations, private businesses and governmental organizations. So they bring everybody in. They use the internet as well as other digital tools and they're not controlled by either a state government and by state, I mean any kind of national government or a corporation that they are somewhat independent. If you're like, okay, wait a minute. How is this just not an NGO? Well, some NGOs would qualify for this and other things that you wouldn't think of them as a non-governmental organization qualify. For example, he breaks it down into 10 different types of these networks. A knowledge network example is Wikipedia. It's global, it's multi-stakeholder. Nobody controls it, particularly except the foundation which is controlled by multiple stakeholders. The Red Cross is an operational network. So there are older things that qualify in here. The Internet Governments Forum is a policy example. Code for America is a platform example. IETF, the WWC, ICANN are all examples of this. Global Water Partnership is an example of a networked version of this. So the idea is that, hey, this is the next level in solving humanity's problems. Let's move past national governments which are kind of hidebound by tradition and bureaucracy and let's all work together to use what we've learned as humanity to solve problems. Sounds pretty good, right? Oh, absolutely, there's kind of like some movements even within the hacker realm sort of similar to this. One is called I am the cavalry where it's just like hackers do a really good job of noticing things that are broken. And sometimes there are things that like, you know, need to get fixed immediately, so these are the people that will actually like really take action when it comes to things like medical devices with gaping vulnerabilities that could kill someone and things of that nature. So I don't know, I don't know this band's agenda but I do love the research that he's doing because it's really cool to see like all of these organizations, all of these NGOs and kind of just realize like, dude, this is so great. This is, it's beautiful to see such good happening in the world that's not just tied to governments and control, but it's because people come together for a greater good and not like owning it, I don't know. Yeah, and I think that Global Solution Networks isn't the only example of this. OpenStreetMap, Metal Freak just pointed out in the chat room is a great example of this. So when the Haiti crisis happened, OpenStreetMap went in and helped figure out where things were that you couldn't tell because of the fact that they had been wiped away. And helped like redo the maps of Haiti, BitNation. Right, the beautiful quote actually in that case was just that rather than the aid workers having to reach out to satellite operators, the operator started almost immediately to reach out to the aid workers. And so that's just, I think what it is, is we're talking about inherently, humans are good people, right? And we don't need governments to facilitate good. Well, governments are made of people. They're just organizations of people. Yeah, so you know, if that group of people isn't doing what needs to be done, then maybe another group of people can get together and do what needs to be done. BitNation is another example I found that provides the same services as traditional governments as far as like contracts and identity verification, et cetera. But in a geographically unbound, decentralized and voluntary way. It's powered by the blockchain, Bitcoin 2.0 blockchain, but using that to verify contracts. Now it's very experimental and it's very idealistic, but it's basically trying to demonstrate that if you were to get on board, and they don't have any illusions that everybody's gonna start using this tomorrow, but they're trying to show you if you were to get on board, this could work for people. You don't need to necessarily have a centralized organization anymore to verify certain things like contracts, identity and more. No, you don't know how I feel. You know, packets, not passports, right? I'll tell you a real quick story. And I've used this example a few times, but the ITU, the United Nations International Telecommunications Union in Dubai in December of 2012 had a closed door proceeding, which they called the World Conference on Information Technology. And the concept there was that they were going to pass some updated international telecommunications regulations that hadn't been updated since 1988. So a lot had happened in telecommunications between 88 and now, especially the ITU wanted to expand its role in governing the internet. And many people, especially in the West, argued like, well, don't we already have things like the Internet Society and the Internet Engineering Task Force and we've got all of those different organizations like ICANN that take care of that kind of thing and they're all made up of, well, multi-stakeholders. And so there was like a huge backlash on like this like, what, government? Get off my internet, right? And so the ITU actually tried a multi-stakeholder thing. Two months later, I actually, you know, why I was able to go to Geneva and actually participate in this. And I was there with other corporate and private interest groups, things like, you know, the EFF and PayPal and other people that have an interest in the internet. And it was really weird to see how the nations were very unhappy about that. And I think the freedom, that's actually what spawned the Freedom Online Coalition, which is 26 members, most of North America, most of the European Union, Japan and Australia. And the concept there is these are the nations that are like, hey, look, and this is just one little microcosmic example of like governance and action when it comes to the multi-stakeholder kind of bottom-up approach, which is all of these different private participants of this new world that we've created that is cyberspace can manage it. They don't need us, right? But then you've got the other nations that feel disenfranchised like China or Iran, who don't feel like they have the same kind of say in that more Western approach and want like government control of the internet. So that's kind of like my go-to example of this. Yeah, and what fascinates me about this is it combines so many things that the internet has spawned. So multi-stakeholder governance, like you mentioned, the IETF or ICANN have blazed that trail. Open Source has shown how it doesn't really matter what organization you're a part of. You can contribute to a project and further advanced, and a lot of this has an open-source platform feel to it. Some of it is in fact under open-source licenses. And then there's things like the 92 Earth Summit in Rio did not produce an agreement on deforestation. So again, multi-stakeholders, businesses and environmentalists and community leaders got together to create the Forest Stewardship Council, which attempts to preserve forests and acknowledge everybody's needs. Yes, the businesses need to have a certain amount of lumber. Let's figure out how to do that in a balanced way that's sustainable. And this is another thing that Mr. Taps got bandies about, but it's true, 93% of the CEOs pulled in an Accenture UN Global Compact Study Report that sustainability issues must be a part of their core businesses. 93% say that now. Now you could say, oh, they're just paying lip service to it, but it's because they understand that it's bad for their business if the world falls apart. A sustainable and stable world is important to prosperity for everyone, not just a certain segment of the population that you may not care about. Right, yeah, I'm so on board with this. I just love that this research brings together and lets you visualize. I knew of all of these tiny little aspects of this, like the EFF and things of that nature, but it's good to be able to see like, whoa, there's a movement happening and it's really beautiful that the internet and it's kind of like ethos has fostered that kind of stuff. And I wanna live in that world that is made up of the Wikipedia's and the Github's and the open source and not the invisible threat of terrorism. Now, some people argue that the move for governments to even take on these kinds of problems only happened post World War II in the era of the UN and that's a fair point. And many of the problems are actually caused or exacerbated by governments as well. That is a fair point, but that doesn't change the fact that we have the problems and we need to figure out the best way to go about solving them. And I definitely feel like bringing in multiple interests to who all agree that the problem exists and needs to be solved to figure out to solve it is a much more productive way than all fighting each other on one side or the other. Let's jump past that. And now I've been trying to be fairly balanced about this. I'm gonna jump off the edge in a crazy town and say in a very long-term way, this could be pointing the way to the next generation of how we govern ourselves. The problem that monarchies had is they became unable to grapple with the problems they were invented to solve and they were deeply in debt and they were out of touch with their own populace. Sound familiar? These kinds of organizations are a very early version of a reaction to that same problem with current governments. I don't know what, this is the next thing after there's feudalism and then there's republics and maybe this is next. I don't know, that's why that's crazy town talk. But it is interesting to say, we may be seeing the leading edge of what will someday evolve into the next wave of how humanity manages its own problems. Yeah, but with balance, that's the hope. That's the idea of the multi-stickholder. It's not that it's privatization versus government. It's just that it's everybody, all of those special interest groups having common ground with said governments and private industry and things of that nature because you swing too far and you've got all sorts of problems and that's just the case with anything. You don't want a monoculture. Yeah, well yeah, you want to actually come up with a solution that most people can agree on. And despite what you may hear on television news, most people actually agree on things. It just doesn't make entertaining television to present it that way. So if we could take advantage of that, we could actually possibly solve some stuff. I think it's worth looking into. I'm skeptical at the same time. I don't want to be, I feel like it's very easy to say these things. It's very hard to make them work and we're not seeing too many of them really solve anything big yet. But there are a lot of little victories out there. We're seeing some amazing examples. I mean, you can't discredit Ted Talks and Wikipedia and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Absolutely. There you go, the Internet Governance Forum. So these are all really huge. And not just that, but the Watchdog groups. I was actually surprised to not see on this list WikiLeaks. Maybe it's too controversial, but there's also Human Rights Watch and other such similar agenda organizations. So yeah, it's just good to see that. Anyway, it's a fascinating topic to look into and a really interesting trend that's going beyond, the Red Cross was sort of the earliest example of this sort of thing, which says, you know what? We really don't care about your politics or what your stake is in your government. We just want to help people. We want to help people fix some stuff that everybody agrees needs to be fixed. No, you're right. This has been going on for a long time. The Sierra Club is another example of that. Yeah. All right, let's get to our pick of the day. First of all, Steve, who sent us the pick of the day, liked our discussion on robotics. He said it's an area that he's been paying closer attention to because as you stated, we are now getting to the point where we have the option to buy robotics for our homes. One point he wanted to raise is the impact this has as the population ages. He notes that Pew has highlighted a population pyramid, a large base of young people with a small peak of older adults is turning into a solid bar. That means we won't have enough caregivers to take care of us in the same way that people are cared for today. While we may not all get a rosy the robot yet, we are seeing massive advances. So here's a related pick of the day. That's how we get into the pick of the day part. The movie Robot and Frank talks about an ex-jewel thief whose kids get him a robot to take care of him. And it's a really enjoyable film that sort of displays this issue that Steve is talking about. He says, really enjoyable film, maybe as we get robot caregivers, we'll also need a few extra robot security guards to stop people like Robot and Frank from stealing your jewels. It's a good movie. It's a really fun movie. We talked about it on frame rate back in the day. And you can check it out. We'll have an IMDB link or lots of places that you can go watch Robot and Frank. Have you ever seen that? No, I haven't. It's just got me thinking though, like what will happen when the robots get sick? Will there be robots for them? Yeah, we'll create meta robots at that point. I really hope so. Yeah, we'll take care of the robots. Yeah. I don't think that having a relationship with a robot is going to be weird in the future. Who says you're not having one right now? Tom, we weren't supposed to talk about the Tom Merritt.sh quite yet. Send your pics to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can find my pics at Robotics because they may be at dailytechnewshow.com slash pics. Couple of messages before we get out of here. Mike from Wet and Windy Western Australia thinks I'm brilliant because I inspired him to come up with a solution to something. I didn't do anything. He says your comment on garage door openers being a little insecure led to a flash of inspiration. I've been setting up a Belkin WiIMO LED light bulb camera motion sensor and switch in my home. It occurred to me that I could set up two factor authentication for my garage door by using a WiIMO switch as well as the garage door remote. As I arrived home, I used the app on my phone to turn on the WiIMO switch, which then supplies power to the door opener. Then I use the remote to trigger the door opener presto. Even if somebody spoofs my remote while I'm not home, the door won't open because it doesn't have power. Now he admits this won't stop someone from physically forcing the door, but he's like a couple of anti-personnel minds should fix that problem. I love it. Yes, you have to go pull zombies on my lawn. Let's just hope his Wi-Fi never goes out. But no, that's really awesome stuff. The thing that I've noticed in the commercial two-factor authentication facilities management stuff, as I looked into a lot of that moving into the HAC5 warehouse, was that a lot of them just have a bypassed key, which can most likely be bumped. And it's kind of sad that in a lot of, in fact, it's indicative of a lot of two-factor authentication systems, there's always like, I can reset my Google password using text message. Right, there was an interesting article today that was making the rounds on Hacker News about how to trick someone into sending them their text message code by their friends. Well, social engineering will always prevail. Yeah, exactly. But I like this idea of having a speed bump, having a second factor, not really a second factor of authentication, but like, hey, you got to have both my app and the power and the code to the door. That's kind of cool. That point, I don't even have to care about the code to the door. Christian wrote in and said, I really enjoyed yesterday's discussion on technology and companionship. It brought to mind Mary Meeker's 2015 internet trend report, where she discussed messaging leaders, apps like WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, WeChat, Snapchat, started out as straightforward messaging platforms, but are now providing things like payments, games, taxi services, even food delivery. I think this transformation is fascinating because a more traditional software mindset would be to solve a particular problem like food delivery, then tack a social element on as an additional feature. But we're seeing models emerge where human connection is at the heart of the service, where the social is the platform, and then additional value is added from there. In my mind, these types of approaches are a much better reflection of who and what we are, and hence, what we really want from our technology. So human relationships as a platform is essentially what Christian is identifying. Yelp for people. Would you like it? Or would you be deathly afraid? I think it was called the Facebook back in the day. Oh, you're right. I would like to rate you and poke you or something. Yeah. Yeah. How about I just do a who is? Could you do a who is on? Well, once we get actual namespace for people's names, then you can just do a who is on anybody. Yeah. My child is just going to be named with an IP6 address. Yeah. They'll never be able to change their name. No. They'll always be able to locate them. Little e, colon, ff, colon, 2o, colon, 4. Anyway, yes. Well, we're going to get the distributed name, the DND stuff. So we won't even need. We won't even need a wall with names. No, you are so past the IP6 at that point. You're on a totally different internet, Tom. That's what happens when you're in AI. Yeah. Living in multiple times at once, really confusing. But that is it for us. Thank you, Darren Kitchin, hack5.org, hck5.org. We talked a little bit about what's going on with ThreatWire, but what else is happening in the Hack Palace over there? Oh, man, yeah. We just had a great ThreatWire today. We're talking about some zero-day attacks on Apple that they may have been ignoring for months and months. Really fun stuff there that breaks out of sandboxes. But over on youtube.com slash hack5, that's a really convenient way to see all the stuff we do goes up on the tubes. Or hck5.org. You'll find hack5 with Shannon Morris myself, as well as ThreatWire, a rotation of Shannon Morris, Patrick Norton, and myself, Tech Thing with Shannon and Patrick. We've got MetasploitMinute, which is epic. If you ever wanted to learn hacking from the ground up, the MetasploitMinute series actually walks you from the installation of one of the most epic and most used penetration testing tools all the way to how to exfiltrate data out of network and pivot through networks and stuff. So that's a highly recommended one. And if you need to get the basics, Shannon does hack tip. So there's so much stuff on the channel, I should say. And we'd love to have you. We're coming up on 10 years in August and almost at 200,000 subscribers. So we're very excited to hit some milestones. If you want to see the hacking, don't spell it with a C, hck5.org. Len Peralta has been drawing the world on his back during this show. How are you doing, Len? What do you got for us? Yeah, it's before a show, we talked about what the internet would look like if they were to solve the world's problems. This is my version of what I think it looks like. And I don't want to take a look. It's a pretty important topic that you guys were talking about, so I'm trying to come up with something sort of funny around it. But this is, if we gave the internet up, instead of a government, the internet, the opportunity to save the world, this is what I think it would look like. You'd have a cute little cat that would carry, and then we'd also name all the different places in the world, different things like YouTube, and Wickelandia. And of course, the one that already sounds like a place is Disapora. You know, I think Wickelandia is in the Netherlands, actually. I think that's where it would be. But yeah, this is where it would be. This is what I think the internet carrying the world on its back, or solving the world's problems, would look like. I love that the cat has its own, too. Yeah, no, I think that's a good version. Actually, the cat internet is where they watch videos of people. That's right. Playing with string, always eating. Exactly. Yeah. Is that Iceland? Because I think that would fit if you had Wickelandia, Utubia, Bitcoinia, and just Iceland. Iceland is already in the corner. Iceland is a little guy up here in the corner. Yeah. All right, there. There's a sugar cube. There's Iceland. I mean, it's just already a digital place. Yeah. You write that in there, actually. Really, really small place. So this is fantastic. I'm getting my copy right now. If folks want to get a copy, they can go to lemperaltestore.com. But there's also a secret way that Len tells you about every week to get digital versions of everything he makes. Yeah. I have a Patreon. It's pretty easy to find. It's patreon.com forward slash Len. And if you back the DTNS lover level, you will get each one of these drawings I do every single week free with your pledge as a digital file. So you can pledge as much as you want or as little as you want. And you'll get them all. And they make great iPhone backgrounds or Apple or Android backgrounds, things for your computer. Just a really good way. And it's safe for the environment as well. They could make Windows phone backgrounds. Windows phone backgrounds. Exactly. Let's name them all. Let's name every single one. iPad, well, not iPad minis anymore, but you know what I'm saying. 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We'll be back on Monday with Brecky Tomason as our guest. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frogpants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Bob, I hope you have enjoyed this program. We solved the world's problems. That's a great show. What should we call this one? We should most certainly call it Always Use a Condiment. Yes. Was that even voted on? Yes. And it is the number one vote-getter by a draw. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's a runaway. You're right. There you go. It's in bounds. Other German condiment porn. That just strikes up images. So the guy took the catch-up on his refrigerator and it was that old that he and then, I don't know, straight. Well, maybe he bought it at one of those discount joints. Yeah, you know, catch-up lasts a long time. That's pretty much it. I mean, there's lots of other titles, but that's it. Yeah, I was short in discussion today. You're right. Was meritocracy, was that actually proposed? Meritocracy. My favorite form of government. Yeah, Tindevec was on fire, too. Yeah, what else did we have, though? Oh, well, if you really want to know, we had catch-up on best practices, which is really quite amazing. Yes. We've got BioCal. Let's see. Fixing computerized calling, parentheses FCC. For people, governments are made of people. Yeah. I do like, I am a fan of step-back government. We got this. Yeah, all right. Yeah, sit down. poverty, we got it, we got this. Let's see. 57 show, maybe this is the winner. What? 57. Ray. 57. Oh. That's pretty awesome. You're good. Nice. I'm looking, I'm looking. No dingo jokes, those are insensitive. RoboCops, cut down on Robotexts. BioCal, I, for one, welcome our internet government. So those are the ones. But there are really two. Well, I do like catch-up on best practices. That's pretty good. Yeah, but we have a runaway hit, so thank you, Tim. Thank you for having the honor, the runaway. I want to get one of those BitNation passports. Oh, no, doesn't that sound fantastic? Yeah. But that's the thing, though, is what we want is not a passport. You know what I'm saying? Well, those are the anti-passport. Right, right. The idea is that all it's basically saying what this does is verify that you exist as a person at the place and time that you said you exist, which I'm like, that's actually better than a passport, right? Kind of is. And actually, the blockchain and all of that, it's a way better identity system than our current model. Oh, let me check your birth certificate. I've got a piece of paper at a hospital somewhere. Yeah. Where else could you have been born? Maybe we learned that doesn't work. Nobody believes it anyway. Nobody believes it anyway. Yeah, I would. Did you get the hacker passport when you were down at the warehouse? I don't think I did. OK, next time you're down, I'm going to have to hook you up with the hacker passport. I have my ID badge, my security badge. Is Len just very, very still or is he frozen? No, he's moving. I was reading. I'm sorry. I was going to say, like, the topics today were so good. And I was going to say, I'm not going to take this sitting down, but I got it out myself. I am. I tore my ACL, so it's sitting down. Oh, is that? Yeah, so how are you doing? Are you feeling better? I don't know. I'm going to get an MRI next week and see. Or I'm going to get an fMRI, in fact. A functional? Functional, yeah. Is that right? Or is it just like? A fucking hell, do that for your brain. I'm just limpin' along, really bummed out about that. FNMRI, FNMRI. So the weather here is pretty awesome, I have to say. I'm going swimming later today. I'm pretty excited about it. Bragg much? Yeah, no joke. Whereas the rest of us, in fact, the North America current index is 96 with average pings in the mid-30s, slower response times from South America. And nearly a tenth of a second from down under, your peak usage time should extend to about 5.30 today. Back to you, Tom. And now to Len with weather. I almost said sports, so then I was like, no. I actually looked at the weather today, and I was like, what's it going to be like? And I said, how's it going to be 90 later? Wow, that's going to be super, super hot. And then I realized I was looking at the weather forecast for Los Angeles, and not for Cleveland. Because it's like 60 degrees here. And I'm like, I don't see it being 90 today. That's kind of strange. I actually sweated on my run for the first time in a month. Matt and I are going for a swim in a pool that, unlike many pools in the world, is 10 feet deep at the deep end. That's how deep our pool was when I was growing up. They're like, put the city pool. It's not a fancy, yeah, it's a city pool. It's not a fancy pool. So don't think I'm going to some fancy place. I'm going to the $6 city pool. That's where you get the 10 foot deep, though. That's right. They're the only ones willing to take the liability. All right, I got to get going, guys. All right, Matt. Enjoy the rigged Tony. I will. Thank you so much. Take care, everybody. Stay cool. Stay warm. I will. Bye. Oh, and work on your fallout shelter this weekend. I will. I have been, actually, building mine. I've had to do it three times because I've killed people multiple times. Yeah, the apocalypse is hard. It is. It's very difficult. It's very difficult. The balance, everything. All right, I got to get going. Cheers. I'm exporting. Doop-a-doop, derp-a-derp. This is my exporting tune. Exporting more than meets the eye. No, no, you got to do it every day. He's rendering, rendering. Oh, our render song was different. The render song was render, render, render, render, render, render, render, render, render, render, render, render, render, render. And we just did that at Imp and I know. I would posit that any firm that has ever had to do rendering has a render song. I think that everybody listening and watching should post their render songs. Let's create an album of various artists. The best rendering songs of the internet. I'll do the music video. It will be a progress bar. That always reminds me of the client song, the ad client song. You ever heard this? No. What is this, when you're trying to connect to the domain controller? No, I've not got a client advertising clients, like the client. And it's a really funny thing about what happens when someone who doesn't know video watches a draft of a video and asks all these terrible, terrible questions that make people pull their hair out. And I can't find it, but it's really funny. Those numbers in the bottom right that are counting up when the video is playing are going to be in the finished product, right? Yeah, it's a whole song about that. That's great. My favorite IT song must be F-disk format, reinstall, doodah, doodah, F-disk format, reinstall, all doodah day. Ron Derick's Boudinuuk. Wow, yes. Do that. Give it the RCMP wipe. RCMP wipe. Oh, there's another amazing one. They dropped a D-band reference on Silicon Valley, season finale. Oh, did they really? Oh, fantastic. I'm two episodes behind, but I keep getting called out whenever the Carla's Hack 5 stickers on her laptop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting excited about that. That's cool. And supposedly, though, they messed up a lot of the stuff that a lot of the advice we gave them for the hacking episode they just didn't use. They skated past. I think they went with the more comical effect of holding down the delete key. Yes, they did. Which has, I don't understand, how it could delete stuff that you're receiving in the app. That was a cartoon thing. And you know what, I was fine with it. I was like, yeah, not actually going to happen. But OK, we're in cartoon land now. So worth the laugh. But that was my first reaction. I was like, oh, really, that's what it is, because that wouldn't actually work. Also, did you see that Mark Marin interviewed the president and the president came to his garage, which makes me so very happy? Oh, yeah. That's amazing. It's going to be online Monday. I wonder what the sweep of his garage was like. Yeah, they had to put up all the usual Secret Service procedures at Mark Marin's cat ranch. Right. Right. So that's exciting. For June. Yeah, I'll post my favorite to IRC, the one liner, I hope. Not get kicked from channel for too much. There we go. It goes on and on, but you guys know that one. The hits of rendering collected together for the first time. Who does those? Isn't it like Time Warner? K-Tel or Time Life? Time Life. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Now, that's what I call rendering. Yeah. What else is going on? The filters on that. Anything going on this weekend? I'm going to try to heal. We're going to try to see Inside Out. Ooh, cool. Which when the trailer first came out, I said, we should go see that. That looks really good. And Eileen was like, I don't know. I don't know. And then finally, she met the director. And now she's like, yeah, we should go see Inside Out. I'm like, really? You have to actually meet the director in person before you'll see a movie now. Is that where you've gone? You've gone that Hollywood? Hollywood. But yeah, so I think that's what we'll do tomorrow. Cool. What are you going to do? I'm going to rest. Rice. Because you've created the world. You've got to get compression in there. You've got to get some ice in there. Don't forget the elevation. It's important. Yeah, I'm just going to rest. I'm just going to take it easy. I'm going to get a few things done, but I'm mostly going to rest. And then I'm going to start prepping for next week. It's up to nine today. Nine. Nice. That's terrible. No, that's great. I wake up at 6.30. That sounds awesome. Yesterday I went from Burbank to the West Side to a fabulous restaurant where I had a fabulous, but very intense. Every day was filled. Every part of the day was filled with fabulous, but intense conversation. And at the end of the day, I came home. I was like, had no voice. And was like, hey, how are you, Matt? Good night. And fell asleep. This is one of those, like, everywhere you go, you're having lots of chat. Le Chat. Le Chat. Actually, what we did have, me and my friend, was an amazing dinner at an amazing restaurant. And you just can't ask for better than that. Good conversation, really great roast chicken. What's better? Was it a restaurant named after what I proposed could be an obsolete form of government? Yes, it was. I don't know why I'm hiding the name of your. No, it was a republic. It's OK. I, it wasn't, it was just unbelievable. There are pictures up on Instagram. I'm taking Matt there for his birthday, because it was that yummy. Oh, I see W. Scott is one had the same. Now that's what I call rendering. All right. I have published the show. And I believe in my heart that I've published it correctly. Yay. Do you guys think so? It's out there, though. So there you go. And what's the? So it's youtube.com slash ailey. No, it's a news show, right? Yes. Oh, yeah. Boom. But it puts in the slash user for you. It sure does. Free. We had to pay extra for it or anything. Well, no, I mean, I go to youtube.com slash hack five. And it's actually, it's the same place where if you go to youtube.com slash user slash hack five Darren, I didn't think YouTube was going to be a thing. I just made it hack five Darren. Oh, no, they had a limitation. You had to be at least six characters in your name. So it's like, all right. You're a character. Mm-hmm. Well, cool. You could probably get a vanity name. All right. You know anybody over at YouTube? Nobody can help with that. Bummer. That's the thing. I have these questions about YouTube all the time. Is it an actual YouTube user? And I was like, I don't know. Those guys are in San Bruno. Oh, I have to do the show notes, don't I? Yeah, Roger's out today. All right. He helped with the prep of the show, but he had to take his daughter to the baby place. I forgot. All right, let me do that. Where they fix babies, his robotic daughters. I'll do that. Do androids dream of electric daughters? Mm-hmm. You old blade runner. OK. Anything else? We good? I think we're good. We're good? Yeah? You guys want anything? And I'd be profan. I'm going to run upstairs and grab something. Yeah. But stay tuned for current geek immediately following Condiment Geek.