 call order the media public works start with roll call all the person actually is here let's see who's also online all the person Phillips she's on yeah she's here but we're having weird audio issues on our end we're calling and you guys only a phone call in audio only yeah okay the roses here Ryan's here okay we're all here all righty well then we'll start out Rose can you hear us I don't think you can hear us no I don't think yet well give us a thumbs up I don't think she's thumbs up can someone fix the audio settings for this meeting so that way we can just do this normally yeah we're trying we're in the midst okay just a 2020 meeting that's all okay Rose can you hear us now I don't see it Marcus can you hear us he's been all right so the mute function on this thing works still even though I'm talking through my phone but yes I can hear you guys you you can't hear us okay good yeah okay okay we're good okay well that will continue on with the meeting we'll start with a pledge of allegiance okay start out with approval of minutes 2.1 for approval Brian second Marcus move by Brian second my Marcus all any other discussion on those minutes all those in favor chair votes aye any any opposition motion passes minutes approved 3.1 resolution number 134 2021 December 15 2020 direct referral resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to accept the quote from OVV OVVL USA LLC for the purchase of the components required to maintain the west influence screens at the wastewater treatment plant and to make other expenditures related to the maintenance of the west influence screen and the control of the east and west influence screens David yes mr. Chairman this project as you just indicated this is at the front end of the plant so as the sewage is coming into the plant we have screening mechanisms there to take out debris out of the wastewater that would if it continued into the plant could affect pumps and other off processes Steve Jocer our wastewater superintendent is on this evening and I'll let him give a much more detailed explanation for the need of this project okay we're here this fall we knew the chains were worn but we thought we could keep the screens running a few more years but we have a shift of the sprockets that drive the chain and it caused quite a bit of damage to the chain on the left screen so we've we got the sprockets and everything rebuilt but the chain we're we've got it that we can run it as an emergency but we really don't think it'll last very long if we don't replace the chain now so what we're looking to do is is replace the chain and we do the controls and the reason we do the controls is to try and minimize how much these screens run right now they run continuously they also will run off level control but they run almost continuously when they're on that so we want to put in a little more sophisticated control system to minimize the wear of these chains because they're very expensive and hopefully we can double the life on them with some creative controls that we can minimize how much they run okay thank you Steve I have a question sure go ahead thank you the cost of adding the sophisticated control versus the cost of replacing the chains themselves could you kind of give me a breakdown of what this new controllers the cost yeah the control consists of some level there are some levels and it's bringing it all into the CLC and then it brings it into our data system which is our operator interface and what it allows us to do is trim the data how the levels and close the screen so that we can really minimize how much they run so now the cost of the change which is over $60,000 that's for one screen we have two of them and probably it's next year or the year after we're gonna have to place replace the other chain so it's about $30,000 that we're able to and what we're thinking we can do is double the life of the chains because we believe most of the time we can get by with one screen we might be able to double a life of them so we think it's a pretty good trade-off and a good way to extend the life of this equipment awesome I really like that you guys are being being proactive in trying to extend the life of these things I guess I didn't ask my question though very specifically I'm looking through the quote and it looks like there's about $50,000 to $60,000 worth of small items in here none of them look like a piece of technology they all look like like neoprene and like chains themselves so is there another quote coming for the technology piece of this or is that included in this $60,000 quote no that's not included Mark that we're going to do that in-house so we know what the level transmitters cost because we use those around the facility for all kinds of things so we just put little internal estimate together for those costs awesome thank you are there any other questions on it I'll move for approval I guess motion has been made by Ryan seconded by Marcus any other discussion on this all those in favor aye any opposed chair votes aye motion passes all righty we got it there easier 3.2 RC number 187 2021 report committee to whom was referred RO number 97 2021 by city clerk submitting a communication from Michael Thomas president of the black American community outreach regarding Juneteenth celebration recommends the comic council instructs staff to prepare their appropriate document to waive the park rental fee for the Juneteenth celebration thank you mr. chairman since the the last time we've had some staff particularly Joe Kirlin our superintendent of Parks and Forestry and Don Sokolowski from the business office have reached out and had a meeting actually to kind of go over the park rental process the fees and some of the equipment rental so we could get a better better idea of the type of event and type of area and what they're going to need so I'm going to let Joe give kind of an update on that and let him talk on this thank you okay Joe are you online I'm going to you know we had a meeting and basically you know we at first it was just you know it's going to be a one-day event yes however they're they're typically with these types of events that there's they're set up if there's going to be a tent we usually have to put the tent up a day before and then after the event it's another day to take down the tent and clean up so instead of just one day park rental it ends up for the larger type of events it's multi-day that we reserve the parks we do this for broad days we do it for the Greek Fest we do it for the Mung Fest all sorts of larger festivals I'm I'm trying to give a background here so after we started talking about that it instead of just a one-day $500 roughly cost that we would wave it's more around $1650 and I just want to be we want to be transparent want to be up front with that and you know they're they're my understanding is that they're they're a nonprofit which is you know what we use for other other nonprofits as well and I believe we have representation this evening and you know I would kind of defer to to the representation here to get some more information and you know if we want to do this this is fine where we're well prepared to to accommodate this we have that the dates my is my understanding the dates are are being held for the event and we're already and we just need a decision from from the committee to authorize the waving of the fees so if it's okay with you mr. Chairman if you would like to entertain sure absolutely if you could just state your name for record for the my name is Tony White and I am the administrator that's associated with the black American community outreach organization which means that I coordinated a lot of the activities that went over that we did over the summer in partnership with them I mean the Sheboygan police department the celebration is really designed to educate aware and engage the community and understanding more about black Americans in the Sheboygan community okay and then also I am a resident in Sheboygan okay I moved here when I was 11 my family has been here for 36 years so I think these events are helpful they're designed to try to do what we can for the youth and the families to help support but like we don't know each other so it's another engaging and then how do we start to transform some of the things that people think about black Americans in this community so we're trying to do what we can to be engaging educating and trying to build up the courage and confidence and a lot of our young people Sheboygan is a wonderful place to live and I think that people don't appreciate the value that they have but I think it's a two-fold education opportunity I know people had questions I'm here too we were recently determined a 501c3 so that was within the last probably 90 days as the administrator to my job is to write for grants so I'm seeking grant opportunities and partnering with boys and girls club and big brothers big sisters trying to figure out how we can do we you know we're in these unprecedented times we're not really sure what June may bring but to be outside and to be able to still carry out something of this magnitude in the community would would be a good thing so that is what I'm here to talk about so if anybody has any questions the type of activities is really around athletics we're going to do some athletic activities we're going to do some educating about Juneteenth what does it stand for what is it about why is it important for black Americans and then also looking at ways in which to bring the value that black Americans bring to so vendors just trying to figure out what that all looks like we have a meeting scheduled at the beginning of the year after we kind of find out where we are with this decision as to how we're going to move forward definitely looking for opportunity support our cause generally speaking and I have eight plus years of coordinating Juneteenth events I actually work in Milwaukee and so they have a Juneteenth celebration every year and I've been part of that as my professional job as a director of workforce programs so yeah I guess I'll start with the point what do you have you been looking for like area sponsorship like you know businesses and things like that are you've been have you contacted some of them for you know to help defer your costs and things too just yes so with that it's just about the sponsorship pieces and what do we we have to put together our sponsorship levels okay so that part has started I started that piece of it I think it's just a matter of trying to secure the date in the place it's hard to get people on board if you can't solidify the type of work plan you're gonna have or the type of sponsorships that you want them to sponsor so it just was about is it possible and if so we will move forward with trying to secure sponsorships okay I guess my only comment I I guess I'm I would not be ever problemless doing it's like you know granting it possibly for like a one year thing is it you know but in the future we probably not because we have other organizations you know nonprofits among association and things like that and we can't fairly do it for everybody so you know so I guess that that would be my comment on towards it I mean I I I think it's a great to give you guys you know a start you know to you know and I would be I would support for you know a one-year type of thing but just so that that that's clear I guess that's that's my my questions does anyone else have questions okay Mr. Chairman I do have a question yes go ahead Marcus thank you I I'm really excited to see a new event coming to Kiwanis Park I think celebrating Juneteenth Day is gonna be a great thing for Sheboyga nights to learn about and I actually have a question that's more likely gonna be directed at at our Public Works Director do we charge the United Way to use Houghton Park when they have their fundraiser and do we charge the police department when they put on their community outreach event sorry if it's for the police department no but other other nonprofits we do so if the United Way has an event or as I mentioned there's some other nonprofits so we have numerous nonprofit agencies that put on special events that are also a fundraiser and awareness and I think as the the chairman is has recognized is that since this is a new event I think it would be appropriate for you know to waive the fee as kind of an initiative to help and get this established in a lot of the events is when they raise the money they know that these are going to be you know expenses for the next year that they've kind of cover with their with their with their event then come you know and comes along with the sponsorship opportunities you know the JC's in their Brockworths Day they you know they give tremendous amount of their proceeds back to the community but yet we still charge them for the use of the park and the wear and tear and and and so forth to cover some of the the city costs in terms of hosting that so I think that this is appropriate and I think it's it's a great start for something new in our community thank you mr. people I at this point I'd like to make a motion to approve it second okay motion made by Marcus's Marcus seconded by Betty so other all the person's echo yes go ahead can I clarify all their person to ugly oh motion so we had a motion to approve what what are we approving the motion would be to approve the staff to prepare the appropriate document to wave the park rental fee for the Juneteenth Day celebration for 2021 okay so to clarify and to try to make sure that everyone's on the same page so because the park rental fee is set by ordinance and because there's no mechanism for for a waiver in that ordinance that would mean there would be an ordinance prepared to to wave the fee generally we try to do ordinances in a sort of a general way something that would potentially create a a mechanism for waivers going forward rather than a one-off ordinance to approve this this particular rent you can do an ordinance to approve just a single exception but that's not the preferred drafting sort of mechanism if you if you will so is it possible to get a little bit of clarification on what the what the desired direction is at least from for the motion and I right I recognize that the motion hasn't been voted on yet I guess if I could add some more clarity here to what I am motioning it would be that we would create a mechanism to allow for this to happen in the ordinance and then direct staff to execute that motion for this group for this coming year hold on one second hold on one second Mike go ahead go ahead mayor's gonna come up as a statement on this Thomas I understand we're getting stuck in the legalese a little bit on this is it possible to instruct the department to refund the fees after the event would that take care of the ordinance problem Thomas yes we could simply for soul that if there's other requests like this in the future instead of having a carve out in the ordinance for a specific event we could have just language adopted that the upon the Public Works Committee approval the director of Public Works has the ability to waive the fees something of that something generic like that that if there's any other requests from other organizations that need to get a start or they need a chance to waive the fees they could make their case to the committee the committee would though you know could approve it and then based on your approval I could be the authorized representative then to waive the fees I think the language could be accommodated generally in the ordinance to allow that I think that would solve the problem I would hope that that was the mechanism that I was authorizing you to to do in my motion that that's what I was imagining in the in the motion in terms of could it be done in other ways I think you know there there could be a mechanism to instruct refunding or something to that sort you know that that may well be an option as well so we go along with this is the the motion from Marcus is to create a mechanism for that that we direct the public director of Public Works is that correct that how we're going to put that that how the motion is going forward all right yeah okay Thomas is that satisfactory yeah okay okay and Betty has seconded does we have any other discussion on this matter all those in favor I chair votes aye any any opposed motion carries thank you very much now on to 3.3 resolution adopting the Subwayton County hazard mitigation plan 2020 to 2025 director I hope you all had a chance to read this thoroughly because I'm going to go through this in detail this evening no no I'm not this has been gone through exhaustively with numerous partners through the county as well as the city this is necessary document that is required for any type of emergency funding through FEMA as well as Wisconsin State of Emergency Management who is the agency that would handle any of that and it's very important it's due for an update and it's timely and that's why we're actually going to be approving it before the county actually adopts it because we're actually going for a FEMA grant for some of the Lakeshore erosion especially for our sanitary sewer interceptor project that is needed okay so real quickly it's a planning document it identifies all hazards in terms of natural types of hazards that could be affecting the area they could be any thing from flooding heat waves blizzards you name it so it's comprehensive it's very detailed and I said it has tremendous amount of agencies you have fire department personnel health health and human resources planning representatives public works representatives and it's throughout the county the cities of we used to have our own plan because we were kind of ahead of it after the 1998 flood but since then we've been able to merge both our documents and have it as a county-wide plan and so it's it's again this is an update we have one existing so basically what we're asking for is this resolution before you tonight would be adopting the plan the county will still need to adopt it as well but it once it's adopted we're immediately able to then apply for these FEMA funds that are available and the deadline to apply is coming up in in January so that's the urgency to get this document plan okay thank you okay move to accept the plan motion has been made and seconded any other discussion on all those in favor any opposed chair will chair what's I we are approved on that all righty general ordinance number 28 20 21 ordinance document through 7.3 oh sorry document 7.2 ordinance amending sections 122 to 403 and 122 to 404 and 122 405 of the municipal code relating to sewers and sewage disposal as to make changes to service charges thank you mr. chairman I am going again to defer to mr. Steve Jassert this evening at wastewater this is about the basically ordinance basically matching what our rates are going to be for for for the sanitary sewer charges that were passed along with the budget but all that's Steve explain a little bit more detail okay go ahead Steve okay so our rates are going to go up a little bit there's really three main drivers for it number one the lake shore interceptor we were budgeting $475,000 to do the engineering to get that prepared to protect all the manholes and build a roadway in there so that's a pretty big chunk of an additional project that we probably normally wouldn't wouldn't be doing another major causes our billing through the water utility has gone up significantly the last few years we were paying about $500,000 a year to have them put out our billing for the sewer charges and that's up to $650,000 now so about $150,000 $125,000 I believe more in this year's budget than what I had last year and the reasoning for that is they've gone to all these automated readers and we're required to pay 50% of the cost as well as all the decrease that 50% of the appreciation whatever is charged a meter reading we pay 50% of so those are the two main reasons and then the way the rate tool works the last two years our flow is up probably 15% so that's driven some of our chemical usages up a little bit so it's starting to take that into account normally our flows are around 11 million the last two years we've been over 12 and a half million on average so those are the drivers behind it thank you see if he would ever do discussion on this at all I've got a question just go ahead Marcus you see when it comes to flow do you think the additional million or so gallons was it that you're pumping through it has to do with more usage from people or is it water getting into the system what's causing this to jump if stormwater brown water infiltration and sewers market with that we've had a lot of precipitation the last two years and that's the main driver and this may be a little bit off topic but are you other plans in place to start to tackle that so we don't get even more out of control yes they've been putting money aside every year to realize sewers like this year we inspected that that interceptor along the lake which is built in the 30s you know we figured there could be some problems there fortunately the sewers in good shape just some of the manholes need some work and we need to protect them long term for my jobs and things but yeah there's sewers are identified when they do road projects and David can speak for the better than I can but typically they'll take care of those issues as they do road projects thank you any other discussion on that to hear motion again motions by Marcus seconded by Ryan yeah any other discussion on it all's in favor any opposed chair votes aye motion passes all ready and let's see then 3.5 general ordinance 28 for 2021 document 7.3 ordinance reestablishing the bulkhead line along the north side of the Chewbacca River and city of Chewbacca dad thank you chair so you'll recall we were here before this committee probably about a year ago was right around Christmas last year where we talked about establishing this bulkhead line along the ship the lakefront we did the first plan which was a conservative plan to kind of establish where this line was going to be we came to committee I remember Todd Wolf was the older man at the time and said you know why aren't we going out to the you know the the most you know the line that's there today so we re-engineered that and and the council approved an ordinance for that we sent that off to the DNR and after multiple discussions between the city attorney and myself with the DNR it came to be that the DNR doesn't feel we need a bulkhead line along the lakefront that they feel that that's covered under public trust as part of the lakebed grant area but there was nothing established on the north side of the river primarily from the former Briscoe to the Coast Guard station so given that the city has a public promenade along that area that's held up by a steel sheet pile wall the decision was made to have the engineer redesign and and we legally describe that area with a six foot offset of the wall so that we ever had to come in in the future and do any kind of maintenance we had the capability of doing that and we wouldn't have to go to the DNR for additional permits so that's kind of where we're at with this thing as we they feel that everything along the lakefront is covered under a public document already and that this is the only piece that's really not described as a bulkhead and that was their recommendation to move forward with so that's what's before you today is to look at this area basically from Briscoe to the Coast Guard station okay quite a significant quite significantly less than what we originally had anticipated it took them a lot there was a lot of conversation back and forth it's with their attorneys and with our attorneys and try to understand what needs to happen because this is kind of uncharted territory where a lot of this isn't documented from years and years ago back into the 1880s so they felt that was the best moving forward and Chuck and I talked about it and said let's get that established at least that helps differentiate because at one time the river came out someplace there and this would when the river was moved this would clear up some of those issues as well okay make sense any discussion Mr. Chair I have a question sure go ahead Marcus thank you Chad is this a time sensitive issue I don't know if it's time-sensitive but I mean staff has worked on this for a year so I don't know how time-sensitive it is ideally if the council approves the ordinance we would you know resubmit it to the DNR they're kind of on hold until they see this the reason I asked we may need to get attorney Cameron's point of view on this I'm looking at the board docs and the ordinance that's listed is the one for the sewer not for the bulkhead in 3.5 I can't find it anywhere other in this document so I can't see it is that cause a problem for us or can we continue to move forward it's yeah it looks like the IFC is also the one for the for GO 27 2021 ironically it looks like the IFC for the bulkhead line got attached to the other GO I would say the most conservative course of action from a public meeting perspective would be to not take any action today and then to come back at the next meeting and approve it with it with it properly attached that's not a problem we've been at this for a year so what's two more weeks okay I'll make a motion to hold it Betty's making made a motion to hold we have a second second did by Marcus I'll lose in favor any opposed chair votes aye motions granted to hold okay and 3.6 riverfront marine marine to feed discussion discussion only director thanks mr. chairman thanks mr. chairman this this is just for discussion only because we want some direction from the public works committee we we have had since 2006 it's via via council resolution that the riverfront boat slips that's the slips that are along the riverfront not in the harbor center marina we manage them through the public works office and the resolution basically states it's to be the fees are supposed to increase five percent every year and we have used that proceeds and those monies to actually you know replace those docs we just completed it probably about two years ago we're now completely all modernized with new docs however you know this last year it was a difficult year we were only able to put half the docs in because of the high water level that what I would call the West and the north side of the shabuagan river the where they get attached to the sea to the seawall they they were unable to be installed so along with that we had to relocate a bunch of boaters and accommodate some actually shifted to the marina but it it it's a it's a point of contention and then somewhat I agree with them is that hey you know this is just every year it goes on and on is is it going to stop can we have a reprieve for a year where we don't have to have a five percent increase well that's you know I can't make that decision and if we do that and that's why I'm bringing it to the the board this evening is if we would waive that fee we would have to then also then have have our city attorney you know have the right language to allow us to do that we just can't arbitrarily just say okay no fees for 2021 so you know several of them are charter captains in the covid situation they've they've they've they've they've had some setback and suffering again there there's a total of 92 slips that we that are available to lease the 44 on that what I would say on the north side and then 40 48 on the south side the 48 were the ones that we were able to to accommodate there were six leases that relocated to the to the marina last year and it relocated to the south side so we weren't able to capture everyone and accommodate and some just said given the circumstances I'm not going to even bother with my boat this year it's been very difficult to compare and contrast because not not every community has riverfront slips they have marinas in our harbor center marina is competitive in terms of their their their slip rental and ours are somewhat cheaper but we don't have nearly we don't have the amenities that a marina has it's just basically power and water and it's really kind of nice because it it it puts more of those active boaters the charter fishermen along the river they're out early in the morning it's it would be somewhat of a conflict of use and interest with the marina clientele I would say for lack of a better example so given that and I know dawn's put a lot of work into this and Mike they've they've spent a tremendous amount of time this summer along the lakefront or the riverfront area we've had the high water it was we had to shut down the boardwalk it was impassable we tried to clean and then it would just get overwhelmed again and and these two in our office probably got the brunt of of the what I would say complaints and and requests just real quickly revenues collected in this year was 43,000 and in in 19 it was 53 so it was only even though given all those circumstances it was about 10,000 less than we would normally recover from those fees I it would be my wreck at least my recommendation that at least for the 2021 season that now we're sending out the leases for this summer I would like to say we're gonna because of the circumstances of this past summer we recommend that we're gonna hold the prices to the 2020 level and if the committee would so agree with that recommendation and I think we'd need some type of direction towards this the city attorney's office to draft that proper document any questions any I guess I would say is if would with the circumstances the way they are to help all these through these charter boats are vital vital to our to our economy as far as our tourism and things like that and anything we can do to help them out as long without significantly you know which of the 5% increase for holding off for your I would have no problem with it I don't know how the rest of the committee feels if you hear if anybody wants to chime in go right ahead I've got a couple of questions that people might be able to answer here what is the cost per switch how it how would like is it a seasonal rental and then it's custom month or do they pay all upfront what what's the cost it for it there's two two different pricing for a charter operation a charter boat it's $2033 for and that's for the season roughly May through October and then a pleasure boat which would be you know if you're not a charter captain you're not operating a charter business it's $1781 thank you and then as far as the cost to operate how much do you see those rides every year it's it's fairly minimal we have a contract that we contract to install and remove and I believe that was the same as that those prices have been the same the last two years and we haven't gotten a quote this year so that that that's pretty much the bulk of the costs you know utilities are very minimal for the electrical usage and water usage is very minimal too so it would mainly be the contractor that is installed and remove the docks and I in the last two years it's been flat it hasn't been raised okay thank you very much for that my opinion on this would be that we either tie it to like a CPI increase in some sort of document or tie it to the actual cost increase that we have to operate the the switch but I mean I get 2021 being a tough time and all but I think just a random 5% increase every year is not correct with it to take care of our residents and citizens yeah I I can't I can't speak to I think the part of the rationale back in the day was the they knew over time that money would need to be built up to eventually replace the docks and that's why it was set at the 5% and actually back in probably 06 inflation and cost of living was a little bit higher than it is today nevertheless we do have several fees that we will establish a fee and and then we review it after maybe a three-year period and say okay now we've looked at the cost they've they've they've gone up and then we readjusted so it's not an every year increase it's an increase every other year or every three to five years for instance when there's a comprehensive review of the actual costs but the I'll have to say the the 5% annual increase I mean it makes it pretty easy we're not having new calculations and look at our costs and what is the CPI and the additional what I would say revenue that was earned above and beyond the cost of the CPI consumer price indexing still stayed within the the boat this is this this is a segregated fund this does not go back to the general fund so the funds earned in this account stay in this account for these facilities either be it waterline replacement or electrical hookups or our new docks for instance so that that's another another advantage of it so again I'm only advocating this for the 2020 one year I again I would not hesitate or to have this re re re-evaluated or reactivated in 2022 budget year yes my other my question that I just had with this this fund is fairly healthy then I would imagine it's well it was I mean we're low now because we just spent you know over $100,000 of that revenue over the years that was built up on the dock replacement we have some money in there but we are experiencing with the high water yeah we're experiencing some erosion behind the seawall and now we have just got a quote from the contractor that's doing the self-peer Michael's construction they want to bring in a dive team because they feel that on that side the north side that are the west side what I would call it is has potentially maybe some failures and the seawall could be compromised we're hoping that's not the case but we'll have to probably send a diver in there to physically evaluate that and see how it can be fixed because again we can't have erosion on the other side of the boardwalk creating holes and dangerous situations for for pedestrians in that area okay that great just to add a little bit on the tourism side of things so the room tax collections for 2020 are down about $400,000 from last year which is a pretty substantial amount we keep 30% room tax 70% goes to visit Cheboygan in 2021 visit Cheboygan is estimating it to be flat as very similar to this year or less even with a rider cup and everything that's planned it's it's all of the hotels are budgeting to not see any increase next year they're gonna probably have to take the first two quarters of the year to build back up where we were and get people moving again so I think it makes a lot of sense when you look at the fact that a lot of people coming in for charter fishing are staying in the hotels and it's it's gonna be a slow it's gonna be a slow season for them to get back up running again even if COVID was to end in the first first first or second quarter of 2021 I think it's just gonna be that much slowness to get that momentum going again and the last comment to David's point is the boat both facilities fund if I recall also takes the revenues from the boat launches and some of that funding has gone in the past to do improvements at the marina for the public boat launch and the East Street boat launch and those things as well so as needs had a rise that's where some of the funding has come from okay thank you any other discussion on this I would say I would direct Thomas to create a document for the wave your fees for the 2021 year that's my recommendation I hope is that how the rest of the committee feels I don't want to speak for everyone I agree I think we need to be looking for the local businesses and business owners yes just not increase the price for the year this would be just to wave the increase for the year I'm sorry I've been a smoke on that I meant to wave the increase for this year already I think I've heard since this is for discussion only I've heard from from the committee and I will I will take all of that and turn it into a document for for further discussion and possible actions in the future okay that sounds good seeing as we've exhausted the rest of the agenda next meeting date is December 29th everyone have a merry Christmas and we have a motion to adjourn fashion to adjourn motion Betty motions and second by Marcus I guess and all those in favor aye any opposed any opposed we are adjourned thank you