 Welcome to the 1878 podcast we have back it's episode 5 and we'll just begin by congratulating Dave for going for a 10k run this morning and I'm going to give him, there are two boys down south, one's been for a 10k run and one feels like he's ran a marathon because of his back so let's start with Dave. It's the north south divide, it's not sunny, it's not nice, but I did decide that I'd go for a little run now, I'm trying to make it into a regular midweek sport special and I did 5.5 miles last Wednesday and then I did 6.7 today. So I've done my 10k, I was back home by 8 o'clock this morning, showered and had my desk by 9 and I feel good with the world, I feel at peace. I've seen your Strava maps in the morning there, Dave always makes me feel kind of bad from sitting there in tracky bottoms and you've done that amount of running. How do you feel about the pattern that you're drawing there because I feel like you could do more with that, I mean obviously there must be the temptation to draw private parts. I've thought about this before, more so on my bike about trying to construct a route that looks like a massive great cock and balls and just try and plan it out because I think there should be more of that. I've not seen that. If you're only online there must be like someone's already made maps of them that you can use. I could google it but I probably have to clear my history but I will look at it later. Or I'll have a look on Andy's laptop. Try that. Knock yourself out. By the way lads, why can't we see you or is that just an issue with mine? It's just an issue at our end. OK, fine. Don't worry about it. You can hear us. You can hear us. I mean that sounds good. If not better. There was again at the weekend, we did speak about this last week. And Everton were victorious again, which I've not been able to say that too often in the past year. Getting boring isn't it? Well, not about boring. Not losing. No off. Man, city fans must feel like that now. City fans must be like Everton are the same as us. Andy, great win at the weekend. Brilliant and this definitely, we're starting to win those games that we always would have lost. Like we definitely would have lost to Southampton away from home, you know, previous seasons and stuff like that as well. So I don't just get into good habits and it wasn't pretty. There was certainly a bit of the end when we were hanging on for dear life. But some of the blocking that people were doing, like Tachowski chucking himself in front of, you know, these, you know, some of the shots from Southampton at the end. It's just every week at the moment, even though we're not the finished article. I don't think any of us would sit here and say like we're it at the moment, but we're a work in progress. But there's some of the signs, some of the things that we've been calling for, bravery and team spirit and, you know, just a bit of steel. It's coming back to us and it's an amazing thing to see. It really really is. Dave, Andy just talked about the blocks there and obviously we saw three blocks on the run that led to Everton's winning goal. And it's stuff we talked about, isn't it? Which we hadn't seen before that we are starting to see now. It's a foundation, isn't it? It's just that, as Andy says, it's steel, but I think it's born out of confidence. And I think that there's confidence running through the team. You can see that. You can see it in their faces. And as I say, and I think that ultimately is why we are not losing games that previously we very much would have lost, I think. And just that ability to kind of, you know, come back, you know, having been down and not being in any way phased by it. Yeah, no, it's good to see. It's good to see. I mean, it would have been good to see because, I mean, I watched three games back to back on Saturday. I watched The Northland and Derby. I watched Dorset, Southampton, and then I watched West Ham Wolves. And I lost my signal for ten minutes and missed all three bloody goals. Missed a lot. Anyway, I had to catch up afterwards. But no, it was good to see. It was good to see. It was frustrating at the time, but good to see and a great, great result. As you say, it's getting rather predictable now, isn't it? Jo, I have to say as well, respect to the travelling blues who managed to get down for the Southampton game during a rail strike as well. And just the atmosphere that our away fans are just someone else, aren't they? I don't know if you quite understand the mentality of our fanbase, our away fanbase. That's their big night out, you know what I mean? Going to an away game is their big night out. That's what they absolutely live for. It's a mentality thing of it's not just going the game, it's a culture. As you just said, I went to Southampton the last time we won and you've got to get up. You've got to get up in the AM. I mean, that's a maze already alien. That's some feet for you. Weird people, but you're getting up and getting on a coach at six o'clock in the morning and they're straight on the aisle. This is even worse, they're straight on the butteys. Do you know what I mean? Like at six, seven in the morning having a ham and cheese. Do you know what I mean? That's a maze. That's worse than having a quick cheese rosé, like Armée Cam. Some of the videos though, some of them on Twitter, some of the party videos that we're going around of Everton fans on the way home on their buses, it looked like an American football team that's just won and they're flying back to Denver or someone like that on their private jet. It was amazing. Those buses on the way home are just complete party buses. Whether you win or you lose, to be honest, because you have to make, let's be honest with our record the way you have to make the most of it. So those buses are something else. It's a culture, it's a real, real culture that these fans live for. I always say as well on a lot of videos afterwards, they deserve it more than anyone for travelling all over the country to silly. And the Daft as well, some of them, me and Baz went to Switzerland with one of the coaches and we were on it for like 21 hours getting to Switzerland and some of them just don't stop. And then the game, they have a sleep. And then the back on it after the game. I used to, I had a season ticket for one year in the Lower Bullens when we had James Beattie up front back in the Halcyon days. I used to come up from Bristol for the games, but that bus, that West Country Blues, they were called the West Country Blues, brilliant bunch of people, but used to start in Cornwall. So these people used to be at 6am or whatever, cold, dark service station. Blooded by the time they get to Exeter. Exactly, do you know what I mean? Everyone with a banjo. It's like travelling with the whizzles. Give me a high six. That kind of thing. No, it was mad though. And also getting home from that game, particularly going to watch something terrible and then they get an omen like midnight or something. Did anybody go to Portsmouth away in 2003? I think it was, Rooney was playing and it was absolutely pissing it down. Two-one win, yellow kit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was in the days before they had, they didn't have any cover on the away end. And it was just this open thing and the rain was coming in horizontal off the solans. And it was like, I mean, I'd never been to Fratton Park away before. It was like something out of Albania. I mean, it was just this. Albanian listeners, yeah. Honestly, it was one of the worst grounds ever. It's like the third world. Two-one, Lee Carsley, Wayne Rooney, Manchester United beat Liverpool on the same day. Don't ask me how I know that. I just know it. Yeah. It was cold. It was like just before Christmas, I think 2003. And I just remember then, I mean, that was just a real example of we know that our fans are great. We know that they travel, you know, the length and breadth of the country sometimes further afield, as you've suggested, lads. But I thought, God, that was a shift. And thank God they did have something to reward themselves with what was a long trek home. And also, I don't want to cause any trouble, but any of you guys see the video that was doing the rounds over the weekend of the terrible atmosphere at Anfield when the equaliser went in. Is that for real? Has that been altered by CGI? Is that how they watch football? Andy, that was the third. That was the third. That was to go 3-2 up. That was to go 3-2 up. No, they're horrendous. No, I mean, don't get me wrong. They're not horrendous as in, like, all of them. But they have got that fan base now, going the game is going to... No, not all of them. But there's at least seven that are alright. That's a 3-2 in that game, the way that game has gone. That was the third goal. That was the third goal that went 3-2 up. I went to Stanford Bridge a couple of years ago and it really shocked me how it was like... It's like going to Disneyland for half of their fans now. And it's the same with Anfield now. I had to do a walk around there last year for a promo video. I hadn't been there for ages. It was like a Sunday and there was no game on. And there was just people everywhere. It was like they were walking dead. And there was just people everywhere milling about going to the museum and listening to Phil Thompson's Dokes of Tones and over in the museum and all that nonsense. And they're just walking around with carrier bags and it is that image of the zombie films in the 70s. They're not like us. We've got to be careful though, haven't we? Because we're not that far off getting a new stadium. And the thing is now with... I'm not saying Anfield's like that, but say you go to Spurs. A friend of mine went to watch the NFL at Spurs the other weekend and said it was like going to watch a sport at Ikea. That's a danger when you get into new stadium territory. How do we keep the Goodison spirit when you go to somewhere where you can go shopping and have noodles? You can't. It's going to be a different environment completely. It's not going to be stood outside the Spell-O beforehand. It's not going to be like that for me. It's going to be a different thing. But it's not going to be that though. It's not going to be Disneyland. It's not going to be where people come once a year and go to club shop and fill the boots. It's just a completely different culture. We are a different culture from them. Number one, we're always miserable generally. That's our general demeanor. That's our default. Honestly, it's just completely different. They live in a different spectrum of how they consume football. I think what was noticeable about that video was how many Liverpool fans commented underneath going, this is health, this is getting terrible. I generally feel sorry for them. You must do their heads in, isn't it? It's a weird one though, isn't it? The more your club gets success, the more you have to bow down to that side of the game and have to get the daytrippers and all that. It's a really difficult balance. Let them get on with it. Just going on just before we think you move on. Obviously we won the game up to, we've got the shame amount of pointers Liverpool have. But we won the game. Obviously Tarkovsky and Colby were fantastic again. As well as a lot of the other defence column and I thought they did very well. Giving people's concerns. Those who was excellent, Michal Enco. But there's a narrative on the last couple of days. I've just read a piece this morning again. Of almost like, it's luck that they haven't got the best offensive record in the country because they're giving up more shots. Their XG goals against this high so this can't continue. Stop giving them praise. They don't deserve it and all this. It's like with football, if years ago we rocked all of the stats and all of this, we'd just all be saying, we're doing really well aren't we? We're not conceding goals. You don't think, oh God, in the first three games we give 30 chances away again. I've seen it last night. I was watching Sky Sports News and you know you have the stats on the side of the page and you know two in the shot saved. That can be negative. That's his job. We wouldn't have been successful in the 80s without Neville Salfall. Neville Salfall's shot save would be about 90%. Exactly, and that was proven in 1986 with Bobby Mims. What are they supposed to do defenders? That's literally their job to defend and if you're going to build the side, it has to be built over time and you're going to need your defence. I know what I'd rather have. With defence stats keeping shots out than what we had last season where they're making mistakes and giving goals away and then someone's going, use a knock on the ball round well. That's their job and they'll grow. We're eight games into a season just from one of my way seasons in living memory. It was hell last season. We've talked about this before in this podcast where one thing that we've been unable to do which a lot of other good teams do is sit in really tight and then break. Watching Everton break is a bit of a rarity but it's starting to happen a little bit. The goal, like you say, came from soaking up a bit of pressure and then hitting them with a woby, tearing forward with the ball. We need to be getting used to before it always looked like if you give a team a bit of possession they're just going to score. That's not necessarily the case anymore and that's quite an important shift. During the Moyes era they could turtle a little bit and then hit a team back and I feel like we're heading towards being able to do that because of the way that Lampard has changed the spirit of the team and the make-up of the team. It's in the right direction. Andy Bush, what's the Roperdope? I've never heard that expression before. It sounds like the sort of thing that might happen in a West Country prison. You've never heard of Roperdope? You've never heard of Roperdope? You've never heard of Roperdope? I've never heard of Roperdope? I've never heard of Roperdope. Mohamed Ali, Rumble in the Jungle his plan, tactics soak up George Foreman's punishment for the first three quarters and then come out, literally bounce off the rope soak it up when he's knackered come back and spark him out, which is what he did and that's what I feel like Everton are learning to do a little bit, like trust the defence. They're learning and likewise I am learning more language today, thank you. Absolutely. Onsy your grill. The air fryer. I've got to be fair, number one, it's too early in the day for me this. This is like five o'clock in the morning for me this. And number two. That gets you only your peak time five o'clock in the morning. Yeah, but I'm just like finishing off a PlayStation game at that time. Dave and I, because of the way we were recording we normally can see the pair of you but we can't. Dave and I were wondering whether this is like a big reveal where the screen's going to come on I've actually got to say that. I lost a bet and I understand that and the grill will make an appearance but not this week just due to technical issues which you are both keenly aware of. Listen, listen, I'm a reasonable and generous man and for that reason I'm actually going to give you some more time to prepare your grill and actually display it because if you remember I did forecast, I did predict the fact that Dominic Calmelun would play no part at some point. You work in the game Dave, I believe you are. Do you know what? I can honestly and I do technically kind of work in the game in fact talking to which I've got to go in ten minutes but anyway I do technically sort of work in the game but I promise you I swear the fact that I had no inside intel in there other than just a gut feeling and a hunch that the occasion improved to be correct. Let me just move away from 40 for the seconds we were on the air for I think. I was watching Gogglebox. I love Gogglebox. You love it or you hate it? I love it. I hate it. I just think it's run its course. It's just people watching it. It used to be good. Do you know why I like it? Do you know why I like it? Because it allows me to see programmes without me having to invest exactly and I use it as a guide. Exactly. In fact there's bad sisters on it and I watched that last nine weeks. Well that's good for you. I don't need you to tell me. Anyway let me get me points out. I also want to do is just get this. I just don't know where to look. The other day they had the masked dancer. You can't see us. What are you talking about? We're smiling into each other's eyes. The masked dancer. Now I get the masked singer and because of you I give it a go. The masked dancer. I'm not having the masked dancer either. I was going to say because I could see both. Andy is having back issues at the moment. I think once his hips are loose I could see Andy doing it. I mean what is the masked dancer all about? For what point? I get the singing because you go oh my god what a voice. I didn't realise they had a good voice. Oh great. I didn't realise they could step. I think this is where Dave's missed the trick by doing the ice skating. I think he's just put the tip in. But I think if he'd gone on the masked dancer he would have gone balls deep. He's missed the shot. Now as well because dancing ice is bigger. Is it though? I think he's totally shite. It is like dancing an ice. It's garbage. Do you know why it's good? Because I like it when people fall over. Do you like seeing people fall over? I don't actually. I like the goodness. But I like seeing people laying a skill that I look and think I wouldn't do that because I just know I would fall over. What they should do is get the bad contestants off strictly and put them on that. Tony Adams should go on dancing. Is she been on the Europa League? Yes. You fall down. You fall down. I dropped them out of dancing. I dropped them out of dancing on ice. It isn't an art. You've seen Dave on dancing on ice. He was basically falling over. It's ice. You've got to go on ice. The nature is you fall over. Dave, go on. In the days when I was a contemporary ice dancer it is difficult. Granted, I know I made it look even more difficult than it is. I wasn't the best contestant they've ever had. However, I can claim to be the ninth best minus celebrity ice dancer of 2011. For that, there's not many things that I have won in my time. You need to be back for the best of the best. Andy Bush, is there any of these that you would do a dance on ice strictly on dancing or the big one that's coming up next month? Excited about it. Is the jungle, would you do? Which one of those three if you had to pick would you go for? I'm not even going to say anything because you lot murdered me for saying that I watched Married at First Sight UK the other week. I'm not asking you to watch. I'm asking you to be in it. Would you go in it? Yes. I'd like to do strictly come dancing. I like the idea, learning a skill ice skating is too difficult and too dangerous. I wouldn't want to eat an anus or something in your jungles. Not again. King's Cross on Saturday night. I look for that on Married at First Sight. Andy, I think if you do realistically want to do that and I'd like to see on there I think you need a new agent. I agree. Andy, you have to go through the torment of Channel 5 talking head show soon. I can't even get on there mate. Have you ever thought of like what the ones I like and these are completely different but I like the ones where people just sit on trains and go for them like we're going on a train across Scotland or we're going on a train. Michael Portello. Not him strictly. Just his dress sense. The little Scottish comedian she's about five foot not. Oh I know. She goes on really good trips and I'll see the one where they go on like I would love one of those big RV like we have a big camper van. Motor homing. Would you not do the jungle Andy? No. The eating stuff. Eating bugs and that or whatever. Andy when they're going off for your 50 grand today I'll tell you what I bet you can eat some bugs then. Give me the bugs. Conservatory time. I don't fancy it as I've said before for a lot of reasons. You can't possibly turn it down can you when they start waving the checkbook. And to be fair it also preview a famous. Exactly. This is the last bit on the jungle. The last bit on the jungle. If you were in there what would Andy I think it's going to be the eating trial that he wouldn't want to do. Is there anything what would be like your biggest fear? You're not supposed to tell anybody. Well he's not going on it yet. He could change. What would it be Dave for you? Spiders would be mine. No see for me I think the hardest bit would be on the opening show where you have to do that height thing where you have to go out on the walking the plank thing over that thing. That would be terrifying. And then after that for me it would be in closed spaces it would be feeling claustrophobic in like a coffin. Jordan North like literally blew his load on that. Let's be honest. Let's be honest it made the kid fair play to He's a nice lad as well. No he is. Apart from me sports barely. That made him because he was like terrified but he built from that. Got better from that. Do you know as well I wouldn't get in a helicopter. You wouldn't get me in a helicopter. The more I think of it the more I realise I'd be an absolutely terrible contestant. I'll be honest with you. You're not going on it. I'm saying they'll go in the helicopter jumping out to be like I'm not me. I'll go in the boat thing. Get on that walk down on that. In fact I'm a better watcher so I'll pull myself out of the run. I didn't win it in Manchester though. We're boarding with Dave Vitty this week. Paddle Warden. Dave explain and Paddle Warden to me show me how to do it. I'm saying there's a thing for everything now. There's so many channels. Dave shows bats out to Paddle Board and come back with dry Cornish pasties. Do you know, it's funny you should say that because to share some of the backstage gossip is that before we started recording today we were talking about potentially myself and before I mentioned Andy Bush playing badminton together and then we thought there might be quite good to do like a sort of celebrity mixed doubles thing. So we're going to create podminton right which is essentially kind of like a badminton based podcast where we can you know, they do all these things where the people play golf against all sorts of random pairings don't they? So why can't they do more badminton? That'll be good. We've got a talk course for playing. You've got to introduce it like a poor man's aunt and death and then you should take it over and then we could interview all of you after it. Tell you what, honestly, not even joking I've got stuff on channel for it at the moment. This is our partage's dream all this, isn't it? This is our partage's dream all this, isn't it? They've got to run on them because he has got to run before. I've got an interview to record Do you know what, I'm alright. I'll bug off in about three minutes. What about... I was just going to say very quickly what about acupuncture with Andy Bush and the Bush tours all the acupuncture places around the country Soaking up the local Healing my back with Andy Bush and we could just send him to different treatments Getting needles in my back Contents machines I'm going to say it's just actually people standing on his back Of course, fiction. Listen, we've got an option to build something good here. Happy ending with Andy Bush. It was always coming. There you go. Andy Bush is happy ending on Skymax. Bravo, plus one. I'm coming to you, Manchester United Sunday, seven o'clock Sunday, seven o'clock Can we talk about, forget about the match review, right? Let's talk about the kickoff time. I'm not having this, seven o'clock. I don't like Sunday games full stop. Never have done that. It goes back to those days where you'd be worried about having not done your homework when you're watching an antiques roadshow and the whole thing becomes really depressing. But I don't like Sunday games. Sunday at seven o'clock, that's the worst ever. That's worse than a Monday night game for me. I don't know. It's because Manchester are playing in Europe on Thursday and they're trying to squeeze all the games onto TV for Thursday night. So I don't think BT have got an early game, which they normally do. So they've shoved ass to Sunday night so they can get the maximum output. But I've never experienced anything like it seen anything like it before. The only one I can think of was there was an 11 o'clock kickoff on a Sunday morning at Manchester City. We got beat one deal. Danny Mills scored. Danny Mills. Well, his son scored last night for us. So it's got nothing to do with it, but I don't want to drop in. I've told you this before, years ago. You will know this. It's that on Grand National Day, Everton used to kickoff at half 11 and Liverpool, whoever was at home on National Day. I don't remember that. I remember beating QPR 1-0. I remember when I was at Everton, we were training on the Friday. We had ports with Rome on the Saturday morning at half 11. See, that's better though for me. I don't mind getting out of the way early. It's a seven o'clock on a Sunday. It can't ruin the weekend for you until 9 o'clock on Sunday night. That's the point then anyway. The only problem is that it's bath time and you just have to highway to heaven just before bullseye, isn't it? Can you not say it's ruined if for me? Hard to hard, you should be a Sunday night. I'm not old enough for hard to hard. Hard to hard was a Sunday night. There you go. There's a shatty, but it went to a Sunday night. It does seem slightly racist now, doesn't it? I haven't seen it. I think it was slightly racist. I think at the time it probably was. Dave, as the game consent, are you confident? What are you feeling? United have obviously just been belted 6-3 in their derby. I don't think we should get overly confident about them having just been thumped because they are still a decent side. They've got decent players. They might also be on the backlash. But that said though, in terms of how we are at the minute, I'm not worried about anybody, genuinely. I'm not going into this kind of thing. Oh, God, we're going to get murdered. I really don't think we are. I think that we're a match for anybody and we're confident and we're solid at the moment and we're difficult to beat. I'm looking forward to it. I'm not looking forward to 7 o'clock, but I'm looking forward to watching the game and I'm not concerned. Andy? No, I agree. I don't fear anyone at the moment because we're still in there. I don't think anyone else is amazing or set in the world of light actually that much. At the moment, everyone's still a bit of a work in progress because of this weird season that we're having. I mean, United did look pretty ropey in that first half. I know Man City are brilliant at everything. They were ropey doping that first half. They did try and ropey doping. They got actually out of. I don't know. We're a bit up and down against United, aren't we? Do you know what I mean? I beat them last year at home. No, it's a game I don't really fear. I think the worry with Manchester United is for me is that I think the last few games they've been winning like us just doing the formulating and I think on Sunday they've got an eye opener and I think that means they will change things around the likes of Kazimero coming and that's the unknown, isn't it? They will make changes to this game and I think that's the only worry. Just where now though starts again looking for people's phones to throw that kind of thing. So there is that worry that they'll have to respond to Sunday but we hopefully will just keep going, take over and we'll see what happens. I'm not worried in the extent that it's at and I've been worried obviously because of old traffic, the backlashes and stuff like that but I don't think there are a crowd in the atmosphere but the thing I'm looking at is for them and now they can make eight changes and try different things and whatever but it's still complicated. They're away, they're in Europe they've got to travel home they've got to have a day to prepare and all of that stuff and then you've got to go again and I think for Everton to just have one clear run at it I think it puts us in a good position. I'm not saying we'll win but I'm not concerned I think like you said. I think they've been doing quite well up until the eye opener just said for the city game but they've been kind of not playing brilliantly either they've just been kind of like tucking away a few points and I think it was like a bit of a false dawn actually so like you say, Goodison I fanciest against anyone, Goodison to be honest with you and you know this team is evolving and changing and getting tougher and harder to beat and I just love our I love the vibe of our midfield with you know, Idrissa Gay and Ana in there and stuff like that as well and Awobi that kind of partnership they've got and I fanciest against anyone so it's currently a good time to be a blue that's for sure. It's a test isn't it? It's the first, I mean obviously Liverpool was a test but this is after two wins it's the first real test to see where we are. It might be that eye opener to people to go we're not as good as what we thought we were you mentioned earlier on about the shots we faced this might you know but it might be the other way where people go it's not a bad side and we can kick on from this so I think we'll find out a little bit more about the team and we'll find out where we actually are and obviously we've got Tottenham and Newcastle coming up and near not easy games so it would be nice to put more points on the board. Of course that shows how important the Southampton winners were as well because of these games coming up but you've got to play them all and I just hope that we can get to that breaking what six weeks time in a nice little place and feel good about the whole thing and then you know you've got six weeks on and I think this is the first one isn't this the first one of a real tough run on paper but normally we do all I don't tough runs yeah I mean sorry I was just going to say the other thing was a concern last season and he's proven me wrong is that I was kind of worried that Frank was one of these managers where you know you lose 4-3 or when you do lose you lose really heavily and we're going to rack up a terrible goal difference and all that kind of stuff but I've been so impressed at how they've tightened it up and we really have tightened up so that kind of thing where you know same in the Southampton game you go you go behind there's not the crumble like oh they should just give up before didn't they do you know what I mean so I feel like that is a thing that he's got out of their you know got out of their system which is great bit of character in the team now isn't it a bit of leadership that goes a long way absolutely and long way it can sing you and then the Dominic Carver Lou and Sweepstake I wonder if he'll be back well this week let's he's missed some games isn't he that's a run that is this is the 90 game of the season and we've not seen it for a single minute so fingers crossed what's his situation with contracts if they're looking at him for a new contract he's got a bit more just under 3 years left so they're going after the season to make whether deep in you or whether deep in whatever he's getting close to being one of those players that people wouldn't sign to a long contract in a million years just because he ain't going to play enough games you're like pay as you play type deal isn't it do you know what I mean he's going to have to prove himself right we'll leave it there Andy thank you very much for your time going relax that back mate hopefully you're feeling better next week you can go and relax it as I said relax it it's just going to stand up it's just going to walk around and put more go and chill out Andy we'll get that TV show sorted soon that is it from us we'll be back next week take it easy see you later