 Hello, and welcome to the stream. Hi Paul. Hi Michael. Hi anybody else who's watching. And yeah, I did actually prepare for a water overlay. In fact, let me just get that where is it? I put this on when I was in Doc's office hours last week, but I'm not sure anybody noticed. There you go. There's my flooded out basement overlay. But fortunately, there is no flood today. So yes, that's that's a good thing. Let me get rid of that now. There we go. Yeah, so I live in the house I live in the oh hello. Nice to see you, Keely. So yeah, the people who own this house before me, they had this brilliant idea because in Thailand, you sometimes get an issue with termites. And so we've got this nice watertight basement and they decided that they would drill holes through the watertight basement to inject anti termite pesticide underneath the house to stop the termites. And it did that job. But it means that anytime the water table rises up, it sort of seeps into the basement. And yeah, the water level came up sort of two meters last week on the day before the live stream. And it was basically sort of it would have been up to up to here. But yeah, we had an excavator out and it sort of cleared all the stream out and we managed to sort it all out, divert the waters and get the water level dropped again. And so it didn't actually come into the basement this time. But in 15 years, it's been flooded out three times and hasn't happened for about five years. And it hasn't happened since I moved into this basement as my studio I should call it. It always makes me laugh when I call it my studio because it's just my I'm right at the very back of the basement, which is the one place in the house where I can get a bit of peace and quiet. So yes. But anyway, disaster averted it last week and yeah, no flooding to worry about this time. So the point of this live stream today, if ever there needs to be a point is to have a little talk about streaming to multiple platforms. And I am actually streaming today to YouTube and Twitch. And because I wanted to do more than just to a platform called D live, I'd never even heard of it. And I'm just doing it because you can and you can do it through restream.io. So if on the off chance that anybody comes through, I've noticed if I just put one of these messages up, it does actually give a little sort of YouTube icon in the bottom of everybody's avatar. So you can see where they've come from. So I'm not quite sure how this is going to be handled. And I did watch doc stream the other day. And I noticed that some in when you're watching on YouTube, if somebody's watching on another platform, then it does have a little restream bot that should put the messages in there. So I was always a bit wondering how it would how you would handle it where you've got people watching on different platforms. So this is basically continuing my experiment. And speaking of which, I thought I'd give you a quick update on my progress so far with my 100 in 100 days 100 videos in 100 days. So so far it's day 64. And I've done 70 videos. I've got 177 subscribers, 717 watch hours and 7000 views. So all the sevens today funnily enough. But I'm not really fussed about the numbers as I've kept mentioning. But I am interested in them. So I don't lie away worrying about them or wishing I had more. This whole thing is just an experiment in what happens if you should just put this call in sign thing as well for anybody who wants to join in. So yeah, it's just really an experiment to see what happens if you just post consistently and how long it takes to sort of build up a subscriber base because this is something that I can feed back into some of my other business ideas that I've got that I want to pour everybody with here. So it's just to be able to just be able to report back to other people on it basically. But I haven't actually posted that many videos to my YouTube this week because in fact, I've posted I think three. And one of those was a YouTube short which I've not counted in these figures because that would be cheating. So so yeah, but that's because last week I watched Hello. Last week I watched Doc's stream with Ash Borland and he was talking about TikTok. So I decided to set up a TikTok account. And so this week I'm six weeks into TikTok. And I have one second, let me just get in. And I've done 30 videos so five a day. Now why is that not letting me add key in just one second. Get rid of this overlay. I can't multitask. Oh, here we go. That's what I need to do. Hello, Keely. Hello, friend. How are you doing? Yeah, you too. Took me a took me a minute there to figure out how to actually add somebody in. I'm there still. No, I get it. The stress and the multitasking is is something else. But anyway, you keep keep talking about your TikTok setup and I'll just yeah, so I'm going in as you go. I just thought I would see how it goes on TikTok because obviously Doc mentioned it last week with Ash Borland. So yeah, I figured I'd try and do five a day on TikTok and see what happened. And it's been a bit weird really, because that with my YouTube stuff, I've noticing that I'm getting sort of consistent numbers. I don't care about them, but they are consistent. You put a video out and you know roughly how many to expect, you know, how many views you're going to get. Whereas with with TikTok, it's like seems to be totally random. In fact, if I just quickly show you the numbers that you sort of get, I don't know if it's a time thing. I'm just going to flick over to this screen. So these are the videos that I've done. By the way, I've done them all kind of like more or less YouTube style, but vertical, which is probably these don't look like a lot of other people's TikTok videos, but it's still just me doing the same thing. But you can see like here, the first one 1000 1600 600. And then these ones is like these are five videos all about Stream Deck software version 5.0. And like they're ostensibly the same. They've got the same hashtags and everything. But these three here have got like 600 views 900 views 600. And then the next two is like three and four. And then you got one one one two, but then like 1000. And it's just totally totally randomly random seemingly, as to the sort of views that you get from them. So it's just kind of interesting really to see to see that. That is that is weird as hell. By the way, I wanted to mention that I was looking for one of the new Elgato products on YouTube. I wanted to see what people had done for comparison. And which which product did you do the video of? The new ones that I did yesterday, I did so on on TikTok, I did the face cam, the mic arm LP, the mic arm, the wave out XLR and they streamed stream deck mark too. It was the wave XLR that I was looking for. And I was looking for like a review, a quick take video on it on YouTube. And you were like, the number one and only hit. Nobody else has done a video or as of three hours ago had done a video on the wave. So I just wanted to say like congratulations. You like got in there. And clearly, if there's some weirdo like me looking for that information, there's going to be a lot. So I'm looking forward to seeing your numbers on that one because I think you're going to have some pretty good response because I'm confused to what it's all about. On TikTok for that one, I got like 1000 views. But I also this was I woke up this morning and normally I don't really get like that many sort of likes or comments or things like that on a TikTok video. But that one had like 30 or 40 likes on it. So it's a bit strange compared to what I normally get normally like after six days. But anyway, but still that's a big swing. Yeah. Yeah. The the stream decks thing though, like anything to do with stream deck, I always get higher numbers like my highest most my videos sort of gets I know, 40 videos overnight 40 plays overnight. And then the next day it'll go up to like 100 or something like that. The biggest video that I've got in terms of views is the one that I did after the stream deck 5.0 software came out. And that one's had like 2000 views or something. And it's because I did it the day after I woke up and saw the news about it. I downloaded the update and then did a video about it and nobody else had done it. And when I look at my traffic, most of my traffic has come from people who have watched the El Gato video. And then mine was recommended after that. Just because there was nobody else had done it. So I sort of took the same approach with this one and just banged one out. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Good for you. And yeah, we'll see I actually ordered one. So did you cool? Cool. Yeah. So I was just over on Diana's live watching and you know, she obviously talked a little bit. Yeah, yeah, you were there too. By the way, hi. And she was talking a little bit about, you know, all of the product reveals. And the question that I asked of her was, well, would this wave XLR replace in some fashion a roadcaster pro and I use the word minimalist because like obviously a $200 piece of kit isn't going to do all the things that a roadcaster pro can do. But I'm sitting here looking at my roadcaster pro and it's only ever had one mic plugged into it. It will only ever have one mic plugged into it. I don't even try to use a like I don't try to plug in my phone to it anymore because I know the sound isn't great. I definitely don't connect it to Bluetooth anymore. The sound buttons you can now do with the stream deck. So I'm like, do I need this? Do I need what did this cost me 750 bucks worth of sound processing hardware? What if the wavelength XLR can do what I need to do? And it's really small. I could sell this on for a great real sale price, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I've ordered one and I'm going to try it out and see how it goes. Yeah, but I'm going to need some audio experts help to make sure that I do all the setup properly. And you know, do that because doc helped me with my audio settings in the roadcaster pro. And I'll need a little bit of help with the wave link wavelength XLR. That's it. Yeah, yeah, to see how that works. But that's going to be one of my big experiments. Because if I can downsize, if I can simplify, I'm in. I'm in. So I think one of the one of the good things about the wave XLR is it allows you to get an XLR into Algato's wave, sort of sweet. Now, I don't really use that. But they're wave mics, you can control them all through they've got like an interface, I suppose it's a bit like the if you're plugging your MV seven in over XLR into your roadcaster, you're probably not using the shore motive app, which you can use which is when you plug it in over USB. But Algato have got a similar thing which is their wave. I can't remember the exact name of the desktop version. So because you can then plug an XLR into the wave XLR, then that would then be able to go into Algato's wave software. So presumably you'll be able to do some more stuff in there as well. And like control it through stream deck, obviously. So that is another sort of benefit of it. I've always thought about a roadcaster, but I've always come back to that thing of it's just me with one mic and the motive app is pretty robust really so Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's that sort of part of it. So I'm glad I did it because when I changed over to using so I bought an MV seven specifically so that I could use it with an XLR or with me USB connection. Yeah. And knowing that Oh, maybe I'll go on the road. And I'm definitely not bringing the roadcaster pro. So yeah, having that backup software was really important to me. But yeah, I just feel like it's overkill. I'm just I'm over killing it. So yeah, we'll see. It'll be it'll be a neat experiment. Who knows? Maybe somebody will help me do a video and you know, they'll we'll both go viral about or just give out some good information on a comparison between the two products. Because I know there's a lot of people who won't even consider, you know, trying it out. But the one thing that Diana said that really interested me was that she said that the wavelength software is like, it's too good for just using it with one mic, just all this stuff you can do. And I'm like, hmm, I'm intrigued now because I feel like Oh, this might actually be what I'm looking for what'll suit my needs. So we'll see the wavelength. Okay, hopefully I said that right, Paul. Paul's here to keep me in line. He's a very good corrector. So there you go. I actually just logged into my TikTok account to see what my see how my one video had done. And I can't start it over you posted one of it. Yeah, I did. But no, see, I did this a while back. I posted this in April because I'm a jerk. And yeah, I don't I maybe I have to look at it on the on my phone to see how many Oh, no, 5350 53 views on my one video. That's not bad. Very good. I'm not mad. There you go. Oh, Paul. Yes, we are good for something, Paul. So anyway, so so what are your plans to keep going with TikTok? What are you going to do? Well, it's all an experiment. I feel like I'm totally just throwing stuff out there and seeing what happens. I've got no idea about, you know, any YouTube I had a bit of an idea of, you know, the sort of overarching sort of plan if you like, whereas TikTok's just a case of crank out some videos and see what happens. So I've sort of planned for doing like five a day and just see how that goes. I'm wondering if some of those number differences of the time issue. But doing them in ECAM, it's just a piece of cake, really, you just, oh, yeah, it's like, they're only a minute long. So it's just a case of sit down, rattle off five videos or whatever. And then I schedule them on the TikTok desktop, not app, but on the website. So there you can just go and upload a video and schedule it. And I actually find that is a lot, the interface is so easy, you just drag on the video, put a title, and then the time you want it to go out. So it's not like YouTube where perhaps you have to go in and think about it a little bit more, finding tags and all that sort of stuff and end screens and all that nonsense. Yeah, no, that's good to know. And you did do a video to help people out on how to schedule their videos on TikTok. So of course I do. You're gonna put that up in the in the card, in the YouTube card that'll appear right about here. Yeah, I'll have to go back and watch this again and then figure out where to put it. In fact, no, let me write it down. What time is it? This is what I need somebody sitting next to me just writing down all these things as I go along. So I don't have to ever watch them back. So so far I've done 36 hours of video. And I've only been putting cards and sort of chapter markers actually in probably I did the first 10 videos. And then since Rob mentioned it at office hours, I've started doing it again. But it means I've got this big gap of like probably about 23 hours of video where I haven't put chapter markers in. And what that means is I've basically even if I watch it at double speed, I've got to sit and watch, ultimately, a day's worth of video. So I'm not looking forward to that. I just sort of go back and watch one and stick it in. But yeah, you know, you know what I decided to do because I am doing about a 90 minute live stream every week, at least is I just started one day, I had a few people in my community who said, Yeah, I'll be a moderator. And I added them. And then they were all like, you know, what can we do to help? What can we do? What can we do? I said, All right, I got a job for you. You guys are going to do my chapters for me. And it's been amazing. And so I mean, I do go back in afterwards because the idea that your chapter markers are actually like SEO operators really. So sometimes I'll go back in and I'll change the wording. I'll make sure maybe something spelled correctly, or I'll change the word to what I know the SEO is looking for, like in my sport in umpiring. There's different slang words that different people might use to apply to a particular foul or an area of the pitch or something like that. Right. And I'll say, yeah, that's, it's cool. And if you call it like that, but I want to use the word that people are going to search for. So I'll go back and do those corrections. But oh man, it saves me like incredible amounts of time. And it means that if I and I do review my live streams, I'm not doing that. I'm looking for, Oh, that little exchange that I had really went off well, and I'm more coaching myself on other things that right, right need my attention, you know, to evaluate and do that improvement on. So yeah, I think getting to the point in your streams and that sort of thing where you have a few people around that are like, Yeah, I'll help you out. And it's, if somebody's watching all your streams anyway, it's no skin off their nose. You're not asking for anything extra. So I would just get somebody in place. If you can soon that can do that for you on the fly, and then you can turn your attention to the old ones. Yeah, yeah. And that'll free up some time for you. That would be my suggestion. That is a great suggestion. Thank you. Yeah, that is an absolute because I'm not looking forward to I'm looking back at the number of videos that don't have it. I've obviously got a spreadsheet of all my videos because I do I'm a bit of an excel geek. So I can tell you how many have not got a, a yeah, markers in so yeah, it's like every time I look at it, I'm like, oh no, I've got to watch myself for that long. One of the other things that might help you as well is to thanks rich. That's very nice of you to say. Also very smart person. One of the things that has helped me in the past when I have gone back to do my chapters is that my streams have particular, like I'll switch to a certain scene when I switch to a new topic. And, you know, I'll go from me soul headshot to I've got my whistle logo background, and I'll have a screenshot of somebody's question because my live streams are very much I'm answering the questions that people in the community have been posing to me for a week. So I'll put up that screenshot. So when I'm scrolling through my video, right? It's like, boom, there we go. And it, it's a lot faster for me to find. So for those of us who do a lot of just talking head stuff. Yeah, think about can I use my scenes written that down? So fluttering. But yeah, if you have a visual marker that helps you, I think it helps people who are watching reset their thought process. Oh, yeah, we're on to a new thing. Or if somebody I have, people tell me a lot because I'm streaming at step PM, British Standard Time and 8pm in Europe. They'll tell me that, Oh, I'm making dinner while I'm watching and I'm like, cool, that's awesome. So I know they've got their tablet off to the side, hopefully far away from the knives. And they're sitting there shopping, they're whatever for their risotto and they're, they're getting to work. So they're listening, but they're only looking over when they know I'm showing something interesting. Otherwise, they don't need to see my face. That's totally cool with me. So then I know that if I've got something visual that pops up, they go, Oh, this is something I need to, you know, that it grabs their attention back again, but still allows them the flexibility to do what they want to do in their life or go out for a walk with the dog or whatever. So anyway, those are a few things that I didn't know that I was doing that would be effective. And then I was like, Oh my God, I'm so glad I'm doing this. Yeah, yeah, super helpful. So they have been noted, literally. Thank you. What else can we do? What other problems can we solve today? Problems I got. Let's solve some more problems. Well, let's let's talk about the thing that you wanted to go into, which was the whole restream to different platforms. And so before I joined you, you mentioned that you were watching how the comments came in differently? Yeah, because my thing was always like, if you stream to multiple platforms, aren't you sort of fragmenting the conversation? Because, you know, we're all, you know, when we're on doc stream or whoever else it is, you know, you can see each other's comments. So I always wondered, how does that work? Do you get to see what everyone else is saying? But then I was on docs thing the other day and I was watching it on YouTube. But then there was things coming in saying restream bot and I know that it was restreaming to Facebook as well. So it's a restream bot and then had the name of the person. So you do actually see the names of people who are watching on other platforms in that respect. So that was one sort of issue I had with it. But then yeah, it's just a case of like, what else are other people doing? Because when I started the, my idea was I got a restream account, just the free one, so I could restream to multiple platforms. And my first live stream, I went to four different platforms was the idea. But I pressed go live. And when I did it that time, I don't know what I did. It hasn't happened this time. But it's like, it opened up a load of different windows. I just thought, what's going on? What's going on? Abort, abort. I just ended the stream and then changed it to YouTube instead of, I'll just stick with YouTube. But that hasn't actually happened today. So I don't know quite what I did then. But maybe, yeah, maybe you didn't have all your permissions set up properly and it was like triggering permissions sequence. Who knows? Yeah. And I think, did we talk about this when we bombed? Who did, who show did we bomb? Oh my God, my life is a blur. It was Chris Wood, I think, was it? Oh yeah, it was Chris Woods that we bombed. Yeah, and talked about this. And, and yeah, so my feeling had been because I initially just went into my Facebook page. That's what I was doing at first when I first started streaming in April and my stuff was like really terrible. And then I added YouTube. So I added restream started going to YouTube as well. And I was doing periscope slash Twitter. Right. Whatever the case might be a little bit. And I think at the time, restream was struggling with that whole sharing the things. Hi, Greg Arias. Hi, Greg Arias. Narene. What a dope name that is. Wow. I want to know more about this human being. Okay. And so I started adding those things. But I really did at the time restream wasn't adding those things like restream bought. But that does that only show up in the YouTube comments that it's pulling in all the others? Maybe yeah, because if you're in Facebook, you don't see the restream bought. Right. So that was a big disadvantage. But you know what I think the biggest thing that I don't like about that setup is that you can't at people. Of course. Yeah. So I go on James Hicks streams all the time because I love him and he's amazing. And he talks about sports and tech. So he's much like my best friend. So he uses restream bought like that and somebody will say something and I'm like, I want to sass that person. I want to respond to them. I want to I want to engage with them and I can't at them. And so they might not see anything I say about them unless it gets pulled up on the screen. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's such a big opportunity you have as a person leading a stream to be able to have people engaged with each other. And I got to give him one of those. Love our at least you. Hey, I've got another one for Eliseo. Just let me show you. OK. Are you going to show it off? Hang on. I've got to show you. This is my this is just for you, Eliseo. I've had this in the bag waiting. It's not going to come up now. Is it? I mean, you're amazing. You have all these little tricks already. Oh, look at that. Is that the meme of the of the dog with a coffee cup sitting here on this is fine? That's what those flames look like. Or no, it's like that Elmo that's going. This is fun. Yeah. When everything's a dumpster fire. I love it. Oh, my join link is down. Is it? I took it up. I consumed it. There you go. It's obviously not because here we go. Let me just go to a different scene. There you go. So anyway, I love it when people are engaging with each other and talking to each other and it lets our community do more. And here he is. Hi, Gregorius. Maybe unmuting himself. I was doing this tab. So I wouldn't be double hearing myself. How are you doing? There you go. I'm good. How are you? Very good, very good. I certainly will do Elisio. I'll send it right over. So what should we call you? What's what name? What? How can we call you? Just call me Greg. Greg. OK. I don't want to assume like your name has to be lowercase in the URL. Oh, right. Yeah. Cool. Cool. I shall. I shall adjust that. In fact, I'll do it right now. I see. When you do you understand why you did that? Say that again. Sorry. When you join, which screen do you look at? So you look at the interview window. Yes. Yeah. OK, I'm hiding this other one so I don't get confused. Yeah, you look at the browser window that you typed in the whole e-cam link. And then so what I do is I pull that window into my teleprompter where my camera is behind it so that it means that I might not be able to see what's going on the screen very well because my eyes are really but and then I keep the actual live going in another window on another monitor so that if I need to look at the comments or I can't read stuff, I've I've got another backup. So that helps me sense. But by the way, James takes is a is a very old friend of mine from ages ago before streamers. Oh, that's amazing. That is amazing. So are you in the he's in the L.A. area, right? Somewhere in she's up north northern California. Yeah. Oh, he's in northern California. So are you in that general area, too? I used to live in San Francisco, but I live in in Denver now. Oh, Denver. OK. Just go a little further north and you're going to get closer to me. So are you in Utah? Get that done. I'm in Calgary. Oh, wow, nice. Yeah. So if you if you've never been stampede, yeah, the stampede is going on right now for better or for worse right now. Nice. Right now. Yeah, it starts the first Friday of July. We have a big parade, which I don't even know if they did the parade this year. Um, but that's usually the Friday. And then the drinking starts and it's 10 days of open debauchery in the streets. They shut down traffic. There's four poster bed races and square dancing and all kinds of things. And then on the stampede grounds, there's big midway rides and the rodeo and cow exhibitions and all kinds of crazy stuff and just a lot of drinking. So wow, you're the perfect person to have on this stream. Go get Greg, because I know you've got your own streaming platform. So it's perfect. I do, by the way, Alec, this morning I took your advice. I was listening to your video and I did return my stream deck and ordered the new one. Right. Yeah. I thought I know that there's a couple of people that I know that I've just bought one as well. And I thought, oh, no, quick, get them back, get them back. I literally, I had to August 2nd to return the other ones. I returned it so I could get the better stand because that thing is janky. The old one is janky as hell. It was the one thing about it. I thought, yeah, it's didn't really fit with the rest of the product really, does it? So totally. There you go. So highly technical questions from Rick. Oh, oh, yeah, Richard, you go. Well, we'll get to Richard's question in a second. Oh, sorry. What was the question, Alec? How's things going with the platform? It's good. I was just testing it. We were just testing live streaming actually to Facebook, YouTube and Twitch at the same time. So cool. So I had yours open and then it started. And then my co-founder was like, what's that sound? I'm like, oh, don't worry about that. Yeah. But I do stream to multiple platforms as well, only because I had existing audiences there. Right, right. Right. And that's a really important point, Greg. And I didn't, you know, when I come on and I say, oh, I don't think you should, you know, stream multiple platforms. I think that's exactly the use case why you would want to, because you have people there. It would be very, it would be a lot more challenging to bring people over from different different audiences and platforms and things like that. And they might be, you might be streaming slightly in different ways to those people as well. But yeah, I totally get that. I didn't have a big existing base, except on Facebook. I had, you know, 5,000 people, whatever, but maybe 30 people watching a stream. And then when I switched over to go exclusively to YouTube, all of those people just followed me. Like it was not a problem whatsoever. So that made it easy. That's a really great point, because I do think, there's two great points in there. I think like one is like sometimes your audience in one platform is just different, right? Like I started live streaming for LinkedIn predominantly like years ago, and then I just added Facebook because I was using StreamYard and, you know, my Facebook friends are all like the same people I have a lot of them on LinkedIn, so it made sense. So the content's kind of horizontal, but like you could definitely see a case where it's like, well, the stuff I want to say to LinkedIn people is very different than the stuff or maybe even the way I want to say it is different, right? Then I might say it on Facebook or YouTube or somewhere else. But I think the second part also is there is something 30 is awesome. Like I'd love to have 30 simultaneous people watching anything, right? Like it's easy to take for granted how hard it is to work the timing, right? To get like all the other parts to work together and then 30 is part of like like 30,000, right? Like, you know, like when you're really doing it, because I produce so live stream for my best friend and he's got 100,000 followers on LinkedIn, you know, and sometimes we'll have 12 people watching, right? Still, right? So it's not because he's not like a famous person and has a huge audience, it's just, you know, getting all the other bits, right? And that's mentally taxing on you as a streamer because you're like, I'm streaming to no one right now. Yeah, that is really hard, absolutely. I'm super appreciative. LinkedIn never seems to have quite the same engagement as other platforms. Anyway, does it really? It's like people I think check in there, but they're not really on there all the time. Because it's not a social media platform, it's a resume platform. Sorry, I hate LinkedIn with a passion. I absolutely do. But yeah, I'm really appreciative of the people that I have like, and I love, like when I look at my retention rate over my live streams and it's this flat line, like I'm just overwhelmed with joy. It's incredible. So I think that's, yeah. And I have on YouTube 650 followers. So, you know, I got a long way to go, but there you go. Yeah, I love that. And you've got, you do have a halo there. Yeah, do you know what that is? That is a little light in the picture of that I've used as my backdrop, but I should probably just zoom in a little bit. I just felt like my head was just massive compared to everybody else's. So I tried to reduce it and then there you go. That's what you get. It's tough being Billy Corrigan. Smash that pumpkin. Should we answer Rich's question on the telepathy stuff? Okay. Do you use a teleprompter, Greg? I do not, I've been thinking about it, but I try to handle it as much as possible. Oh yeah, absolutely. Well, and yeah, yeah, you haven't set it up yet. Come on, Alec. I'm waiting for the Lily put. So that's, that should be here. I think probably Monday or something. So then I'll get it all set up. I was going to say you're currently too busy actually creating content to fiddle with tech place, which is much unlike many of the rest of us, but yeah. So Greg, I have a, I have a TMP, a Glidegear TMP 50, which is their smallest size set up right in the middle of two monitors. And I've got one in portrait and one in landscape mode. And then I use an iPad mini as the display. And Rich, the reason that I can fix the mirroring problem with the teleprompter is that I'm using Luna display as the mechanism. And Luna display software has a mode that you literally go into the preferences and you click enable teleprompter mode and it not only flips it vertically, flips it horizontally as well, which is really bizarre. If you ever take that off and you try to use the a different monitor and suddenly the text is just completely eligible, but that's how I've fixed it. And so Greg, I don't use my teleprompter very much as a scripting thing. It's just so I can have this eye contact that I have right now. That's what I've got it for as well. Yeah. That's why I've been looking. Yeah. Yeah. The cameras above me is above my screen and it's like really annoying, right? To be looking down a little bit down here, even though, you know. Yeah, absolutely. And as soon as you make eye contact with us and you're looking at the camera, like it grabs my eyes. I want to engage with you more and think about how much your audience will love that. So the fact that you can just do that more is I think one of the most powerful tools in your arsenal is a live streamer because people are there for you, not because you're the only person who's talking about the issues you're talking about or answering the questions that need to be answered. They're there because they like you and they like the way you talk and your bad jokes and all that kind of stuff. So teleprompt us for the win. I think it's an essential piece of gear for me. Aha, Loonis says, Rich Graham. This one's pretty good as well. It's quite sort of small and compact. So I don't need something like massive because I'm not looking at text or anything like that. So yeah, glad I caught. It was Keith Pelzer who recommended this set up really with the teleprompter and the lily put. So yeah, I'm not going to say it's portable. Have you seen the DSLR, what's that guy's name? Oh, DSLR Video Shooter. Caleb Pike. Oh man, he's the best. And he had a good teleprompter thing too that he'd shown. Yeah, he did. I've watched all of his videos. There is just, he's a master, isn't he really? Yeah, well, and he's one of the reasons that I have this rolling Rick. It was his, I think he did a rolling stand video. And then there was one other person that did a rolling stand video that I sort of took ideas from both of them. And then I did some totally different things on my own. But if I hadn't seen that as a possibility, I never would have even started working on it. So that's the best thing about these kinds of videos is they give you this inspiration and the possibilities and like, oh, that part of gear even exists. Oh, I'm going to go try that out. But six months later, Greg, I have a, my entire live streaming rig is on a rolling stand that I can wheel about my apartment and change my setting and all that kind of stuff. So that's nice. I do have luckily enough a dedicated office now. So it's, I don't have to move it too much anymore, but it's, I do appreciate the flexibility. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm in an 800 square foot apartment and this is the second bedroom slash office. And it's fine for meetings or for little things like this. But when I do my weekly live streams, I go out into the main room because then I can have actual depth of field. I call it my fake bokeh because it's, the camera just blurs things in the background because it's really that far away. Cause it's like the whole great room of the apartment. It's, it's awesome. But I find the best. Have you, has anyone ever tried the technique of taking the picture of your background and blurring it and then just using the virtual green screen? Cool. No. That is clever though. That is very, very clever. I love it. Yeah, you might eat. Yeah, you are a little bit out of sync, Greg, but I mean, shit happens. So, sorry, I shouldn't have sworn on somebody else's. What's, so Rich is saying, and as an interview here, interview here, do you have any issue with comments being super small on the mini in the browser window? Oh, does that mean from your side when you're looking, when you're like. Yeah, probably for me. And yeah, I, I do. And that's why I always have, so my monitors are set up specifically so I can put the Ecamp comments pane. I put it right beside like as close as I possibly can to the teleprompter. So I'm not really looking far away, but I do a lot of eye contact and I think it would be really creepy if I never looked away. So I'm actually trying to give my people a little break and be like, so, and then people know that I'm reading and then I turn back and sometimes I can see it on my Ecamp screen when I pull up the, depending on if I can guess the words well enough or I just put my damn glasses on and then I'm doing this and that seems to work out fine. And then I'm putting on my glasses and taking them off all show and it's just my fidget, but it works for me and the way that I've worked around it. Yeah, I'm not mad at, but everybody's got to do their own thing, right? Some people would really want to have all of their text right underneath, but I get that you're, if you're an Ecamp, but... What's the next one? He retracted it. He retracted it. Oh, he gets it. Yeah, go, go, go. We didn't mean to bust you, Rich. I was too quick off the go with that one. Yeah, there you go, so... How about other video platforms in general, apart from streaming? So the videos that I've been doing for TikTok, I've been also repurposing them and putting them on Facebook and I was going to do them on Instagram Reels because I understood Instagram Reels had gone to a minute and if I go to my personal Instagram, I can go up to a minute, but actually the one that I've got for this channel, it still only will allow 30 seconds, so I've not been able to post them to there, but has anybody else been at any experience? I thought you could upload longer for IGTV, but you can only record a minute. IGTV, right. But you're saying Reels. But Reels, yeah. So I heard somebody say about Reels is becoming quite popular and so it's got a similar sort of, I suppose it's a similar sort of thing, really, isn't it, to TikTok? So yeah, if I... There's algorithm boosts too, so you should take advantage while you can. Sure, I mean, you did a YouTube short the other day, I think, right? I did, yes, yeah. So I wasn't gonna post my TikToks things natively to YouTube shorts because I don't wanna just swamp YouTube, my YouTube channel with a load of shorts as well, but maybe that's the wrong attitude, I don't know, but just sort of been keeping them kind of separate, but perhaps I should. So do you post to other short form video platforms at all, or... I don't yet, but I did sign up to do Gloria's 30-day streaming challenge, so. So maybe I'll just do those as shorts? Yeah. Can I do that? I don't know, I guess like a live stream for a minute and then put it as a short. Greg, you can do whatever you want to do, whatever suits your purposes. The idea is not to fit somebody else's conception of winning a contest or beating something, it's about you flexing your muscle every day. What's usable without having to edit? Yeah, that's why I do my TikToks in Ecom Live as well, because you can make the video vertical and it's just a case of sit down, do a minute long video and that's why it's kind of like where you get people who go from like an old school way of doing things and go to a new thing and just take over the old stuff. Well, that's kind of what I've done, I've just taken what I was doing on YouTube and made it vertical and shortened it. So it's perhaps not the right approach, but it's all just an experiment at the end of the day. So I'll see how it goes, but yeah. For me, when I do my, the small amount of short form content that I've done, I did it specifically to jump on YouTube shorts and I think I've done 10 and I've got another 10 that are filmed and that need to be edited and yeah, that'll happen probably after the Olympics. That's what my commitment is to myself, but for me, because what I wanna talk about, which quick answers to smaller questions, I feel like I do need to edit them and I put a lot of B-roll into them. So whether it's a match situation or I'm physically demonstrating a signal or something like that. So there's little B-rolls and little slipping off to a GIF and that sort of thing. Just to keep it as, I'm trying to keep it snappy and interesting and that sort of thing. So your approach is very much like, I'm just getting content out there and I'm sure it's completely hitting for me. I feel this pressure that I need to have a pretty well-edited product. And so it'll take me two hours to do it one minute or a 59 second YouTube short. But then I'll take those. So what I have to do is I have to take all the shorts that I've done, put the rest of them on TikTok and see how they do. And then that'll be my regular process to take a short and just, yeah, repost it onto TikTok and see what happens. But the thing that I'm really interested about is how all these platforms are trying to serve up the same thing. They're all just following each other like, oh, now we all need to do one minute long videos. So everybody's just gonna put the same content on all the platforms. So where's the differentiation? Why is anybody gonna watch all these reels on Instagram instead of watching them on TikTok? What is the value proposition for the user? And I don't know what that is. I don't know, did you guys have any thoughts about that? Cause I just kind of go, like, what's the point if you're all gonna do the same stuff? Yeah, I mean, I think, oh, go ahead, go ahead. That's all right, you go, Greg. No, I was just gonna say, I guess like, the community is probably different though in each place, right? So I guess like, even if you share one piece of content in three places, and if one place has more of a serious vibe and another place has a more of a gamer vibe or whatever, you're just gonna, slightly different engagement model, I guess, right? Like from the audience side, I'm not, I haven't ever seen any data on this to understand like what the sort of overlap is between audiences. Like, people who are, I would say influencers, right? Like make, do an active job of trying to move one audience to as many places as possible, right? But I think folks that are more creator oriented, like create for their craft. And so they're not necessarily trying to syndicate themselves to as many places as possible. They're creating for a medium, right? More so than creating for an audience, right? Like they know the ins and outs of YouTube, there's a value prop to like producing it in that place, et cetera. Right. And so I think like that, I think as we get more creators and maybe fewer or less focus on the influencer side, like the tools are there to attract the creators to use those tools there and hopefully build and pioneer their audience in that place. Because if you don't have the tool, what would you do then? You're like, well, I only wanna do short videos. So guess what? I guess Facebook's out of the question because they don't have it. They're not gonna accept that option, right? And I don't blame them, I guess, fundamentally, right, as a business. If I want people to terraform community in my ecosystem, I have to have the tools that they may wanna use, especially if they're inspired or informed or like creating in that format as it comes about. Yeah. No, it makes sense from the platform's point of view that they wanna meet the needs of, oh, well, if this is the content that's really gaining popularity, it's getting the most engagement using stuff like that, then we need to offer our users that medium of expression or else we're gonna lose them. And I mean, we've seen, all seen platforms die because they didn't do that. But at the same time, there's that callery. And that's a good point, Greg, though, about different audiences and that sort of thing. What do you think, Al? It's definitely different audiences. I mean, I hadn't really used TikTok. I've been on Instagram for quite a while, but not particularly active of late, actually. But yeah, when I set up the TikTok account and I'm not having had one before and going in, I just thought like, what is this madness? It's just all dance videos. It's obviously I'm not really their target market, but I thought, right, well, I'm gonna just, I'm gonna do my own thing on here anyway. So yeah. But there is some other stuff on there that isn't just, you know, that sort of stuff. It does seem predominantly like people dancing to me. But then there is like Excel guide. So I'm like total geek. So I've got this, which what's it called? These are the sort of things that I find, hang on. So there's one called SheetGeek, which is basically just a series of videos all about Google Sheets. So this is the sort of geek that I am. Mr. Excel guide is another one. So I'm not really, I'm not really their target demographic, am I? But that is just the sort of person that I am. So there you go. Hang on, let me show you where it is. But you are, and that's the whole point is that the olds are taking over TikTok. Just like the olds took over Facebook and the olds took over Twitter and everything starts off as a platform for people to show off their dancing or their food pictures or whatever. And then the olds get in there and find ways to sell to each other. That's how the world works. Yeah. I mean, I think if you don't like things though, the default will probably be dancing and stuff like that. Well, that's, yeah, now I'm getting spreadsheet stuff. So yeah, it's just like, that's what happened when I was like, right, I set up my TikTok account. So what's it gonna serve me up? And that's what I got. But now I'm getting, yeah, I'm getting a lot of stuff about spreadsheets and data now actually. So it's coming around to my way of thinking. But I describe TikTok as the happiest place on the internet. Yeah, training the algorithm is crucial. I never walk away feeling worse after TikTok. That's true. That's true. If you do a really good job on TikTok at looking at the stuff that you like and just swiping past, you know, the crap that you're not interested in. Yeah, yeah. You're absolutely right. My TikTok is full of, you know, like I've got a big representation of gay TikTok now because watching those videos just makes me so happy. You see the guys dancing in the mass of high heels. So I'm like, this is the best thing I've seen ever in my life. Like I love this. Or there's a woman who, she's got a useless farm and she's named all of her animals like Steve and George and Bertra. And they're just, and she does these hollers. So yeah, once TikTok knows what you like and what you respond to, you just get it. And yeah, it is like the purest dopamine head ever. That's kind of scary. I'm gonna sit with this for a bit. Am I on drugs? What's Rich saying? Marketers are in everything? Yes, they do. True story. Absolutely true story. So Rich, you were asking that as the interview we are the comments too small. So like for me, Rich, you're saying that if here I'm on Alec's show and I'm looking in the browser, that's why I always have another window open with the live stream wherever it's hitting. If it's on YouTube or it's on Facebook so I can look at that too. That's how I do it. And then I can add people. See, this is what I want to see. I'm gonna do it right now. I'm gonna do it. Talk amongst yourselves. So Greg, when you live stream, what is the sort of content do you do? And like what do you do differently on those different platforms then? Ah, so I do, my current, I do two types of live content. I do a room for entrepreneurs every morning on clubhouse called Get Unstuck. And so we do like office hours for a couple hours. Got you. But my live stream is about, it's called the created economy. It's actually all about like stuff in our universe here. So we run it kind of like John Oliver style 10 minutes of, we picked 10 articles from the last week about monetization, et cetera. And then we have a guest interview every week. And so we'll talk to folks and interview them for about half hour. But we run it all interactively actually. So I actually pipe in clubhouse and Twitter spaces into the video stream as well. As we give people a chance to raise their hands and like ask audio questions of the guests or to provide feedback on the news. So we try to make it as interactive as possible throughout the time of the live stream. But we push to Twitch, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn, clubhouse and Twitter spaces simultaneously when we stream. And with your platform, how does that handle comments? Can that sort of get over this issue of people being able to see others? Yeah, we haven't done that. We're about to have the comments we were just figuring that on probably for next week, we're working on the monetization stuff. And then the week after that, we'll probably bring the comments in. But we'll let the comments be visible to everybody. So you'll be able to see the comments merged from all the sources in one place as well. Yeah, that's good, but we need the adding. And that's something I don't think you can, you would need some kind of API. Technically can. It's doable. But the person for someone to reply to a comment inside of our environment or in a third party environment, they'd have to often give us permission to comment through. And not everyone's comfortable kind of in that situation. Like, what's this app I'm looking at right now, et cetera. So our app is really probably for the super fans. Not necessarily, your primary audience should live on where they are, for sure. And you, like, so you, Keeley, if you're here and you wanted to reply to someone in the comments, I can have you choose which account you want to reply with. And then if you reply to Facebook, then it'll mention will be for a Facebook one. Ah, okay. Well, that's really cool. I like this. Yeah, we can do that. It's kind of like in StreamYard, if you've ever used that. In StreamYard, when you reply to a comment, you could choose which account you want to reply with. So we show you all your connected accounts and you can say reply as Facebook. And then that comment will go only to Facebook. Or if you pick all, it actually stamps out the reply to all the channels at the same time. Okay, I get it. I get it. No, I'm showing my naivety of other streaming platforms because I started live streaming in April last year. And I did it because I found Ecamm. I Googled and Ecamm was one of the hits. And it's like, it's a Mac OS only software. And I'm like, oh, cool. I'm on Mac. I'm buying this. And I just kind of throw myself into something like that. And no, I didn't know about StreamYard or OBS or Vmix or any of the other things that are out there. So there you go. Is it at zealous.com, your domain, Greg? Zealous.app, I forget the... Zealous.app. Oh, I thought that. So my entrepreneurship show is at get unstuck.show. And the... My other one is at created.show. Cool. I think I might have seen your stuff on Clubhouse, your rooms. I hope so. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I actually have not been on Clubhouse for the last two months. And... You are lucky. I'm not. I know, right? I don't know. It was really... It's so funny because people were so mad at how hard it was to get on. And everybody's like, open the gates, open the gates. And then as soon as more people got on, the actual value of it, for me, just started to kind of decline and decline and decline. And I didn't like the algorithmic trap I had gotten myself into with the content that I was like the rooms I was getting fed. I didn't seem to be able to find different people that I wanted to try out without stumbling through like, I don't know, just massive, massive quantities of rooms. And I just didn't have the time for that. So... I think they have the same college TikTok has, right? Like you kind of have to like train it to what you want. And then, but even if you train it, it's not that good. Right. Which is different from TikTok, which I think actually does do it. TikTok is very good at getting you like exactly what you want really fast. But Clubhouse is definitely, I think still figuring it out. I never really got into Clubhouse that much. So I've got the app, but never use it that much. Yeah. And the other thing that really took me out of Clubhouse was I started using Discord. And so I had a kid, I had one of my community members who's now one of my YouTube channel mods. He's a 14 year old Dutch kid. He's absolutely lovely and very, very smart. And once I made him a moderator on YouTube, he immediately said, you need a Discord server. And I was like, what's a Discord server? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm almost 50 years old. Like, can you explain this to me? And he set it up and then kind of brought me in like kicking and screaming. Cause I was like, I don't have time for this shit. And then in I come and for me, Discord replicates Facebook groups, WhatsApp groups, Clubhouse, Zoom, everything, all in one place. And although it's not as easy to stumble upon, the people who were coming to my Clubhouse rooms were my followers anyway. I wasn't getting like accidental discoverability because field hockey is not something a lot of people are like just stumbling into. They know who they know. It's a very tight knit international community. So that kind of discoverability wasn't important, but now I'm going into Discord and I can have my audio rooms. I can have my streaming rooms and all these private conversations and public conversations. And it's just way doper than Clubhouse. And the people that go there are only getting notifications from me and whatever other servers they're a member of, which could be zero. Is that what you covered? Keeley, field hockey? Yeah, I'm a field hockey umpire educator. And I teach people worldwide how umpiring is not only a super fun thing to do, but helps them get better at it. So yeah, it's a very, it's a niche of a niche of a niche almost, but it's my niche and I'm very, very passionate about it. I've got a friend here, an entrepreneur that I want to connect you with. She used to play field hockey. Oh yeah, great. She started a community platform for athletes starting with field hockey players. Nice, what's her name? Her name's Ainsley. I forgot what her last name is. But yeah, her company is called Uru Sports. U-R-U Sports.com. Oh yeah, I've heard of them. Yep. Yeah, she's been here. You know, I work and mentor a lot of founders and so I got to connect with her and been trying to help wherever I can connect them up to stuff, but they have an awesome idea and they've been building it and growing it. Cool, I remember when they first sort of, I think took the idea public and I saw a couple things about it and then it slipped away from my attention. But yeah, I'd love to talk to her and to see how things are going. And for me, I think it's really for all the disparities or imbalances with gender representation and entrepreneurship, you then compound that with gender disparities in sports, in entrepreneurship and then tech, in sports, in entrepreneurship. It's like all these things compound until I'm like, are there any women anywhere? Anywhere, you know? So it would be great to meet her and talk to her about what she's doing and yeah, she's in field hockey. Yeah, happy to make a connection. Sure, cool. And this is how we do on live streams in the world. That's great. Isn't it amazing how people all come together and through the internet? We're in three different countries too here, huh? Right now. Yep. Yeah, absolutely. I like your thumbnails, by the way. My thumbnail game is terrible. Well, let's go look at your channel. Let's go poke around. I mean, it's kind of embarrassing. No, don't be embarrassed. Don't be embarrassed. I love my failures. There, I'll put the channel link in the chat. I just attempted making one that wasn't auto provided by YouTube. Yeah, it was really funny. So that reminds me of a clubhouse story when I was in a room that was talking about, you know, doing YouTube better. And I got up on the stage and asked the question about. I can't remember what it was specifically asked about improving my YouTube channel, but I did make it a fairly direct question. And then a couple of the people had a look at my channel and they gave me a suggestion of, Oh, well, if you're doing field hockey, you should have action shots of, you know, people playing and things like that instead of, you know, your headshot. And it was just really funny because I literally changed from that style with the action shots of hockey players to my headshot style because experts encouraged me to stop doing, you know, anonymous people and my people are coming to watch you and to get to know you. And so you put your head in your face and your and all that kind of stuff. And I was like, man, I can't make these people happy. No matter what I do. I did hear having a face is good, right? Or is that not true? Yeah, right? Like that's the advice that you get. Yeah, I sort of hate my thumbnails, to be honest. They're very much a work in progress. I want Tom Buckstile thumbnails, man. Oh, Tom Buck is the master. He's like the gold standard. I just I also feel like if I was reviewing gear, it might be easier. But I, you know, like we're talking about like Twitch or something. I don't know. I haven't figured out that's a poor excuse. But, you know, it works for me. Did you say? No, I don't think it's not a poor excuse. I think it's for some creators. It's easy for them to be like, I'm talking about wide rimmed glasses. Look, I can take a picture of this. Whereas, yes, I'm talking about field hockey, but I'm talking about maybe a very specific type of umpiring concept or how to embrace failure as an umpire, how to do all these kind of other things. And it's like, oh, how do you really put that in a thumbnail? You don't. You put your face on it and you just persuade people with one or two words to come and watch you. But there you go. Did you put your channel in the oh yeah, I thought I did. But for some reason it's not showing up. Oh, wait, let's see if I can find you. Maybe I got like a great limited for for replying too many times. Have you have you been banned from the channel your live streaming on? That's a little awkward. Entirely possible. Good, Gary, yes. It is Alice. I like how it's this great, Gary, yes, that's why. Maybe that's why. What's that? Sorry. Oh, yes, which had maybe of links turned off in chat. Ah, right, right. What's what's the channel and just your name you can. Oh, actually, if you had to created dot show, I think it's linked from there. Got you. Find it. I see you on up level. I see you on Silicon Angle theCUBE. I see you on. Prove it matters. I'm just I just your name. Oh, and there you are. And you're a year ago. Very cool. That worked out. Did you get it? I'm just heading there now. I was switching in YouTube rather than from the. Who? Hey, bodybuilding competition. Dude, I'm I'm about I'm a month away from my next show. So are you really? How are you feeling? Yeah. You know, I I'm 46. So I started bodybuilding at 44 just to because I needed to give myself like an extra challenge and make sure I stayed in shape and alive for my son as long as humanly possible, you know, so so yeah. So I started, I said, all right, fine, I can do this. So start bodybuilding. Yeah, there's bodybuilding and then there's actual competitions and I used to train my personal trainer for about 12 years. He and his wife did a lot of preparing athletes for fitness competitions and. Man, what those what those people went through. So I have a lot of sympathy for how you might be feeling right now. I hope you're not quite going through a lot of all that. But I'm good. I'm not in the in the drags yet. I am down like twenty three pounds. Almost, almost. I've got my life goal is to lose twenty two pounds. I've got a lot of COVID weight to lose. Well, there it is, I like the in all its glory. OK, I'm going to blow this up on my screen so I can actually see. So it's not easy. There we go. OK. Yeah, I see I see what you're doing. So when I do my interviews as well, Greg, this is a lot. This is quite similar to the style that I would use, which is kind of more of a screenshot of what what the actual video looks like. So me and yeah, me and one one side and my interview and the other. And it's it's nice, though. I like that I like the color scheme. Not a lot of people use green and that's thanks. That's nice. I agree. We agree with the green thing. Gona. Yeah, the green looks cool. Well, yeah, I mean, the first thing you think of is growth. You know, yeah, that's what we kind of were hoping for, right? Economics and and whatnot, some some loose association there. Yeah, the ones with the pictures I just took from the YouTube, you know, like the screen grabs that it yeah, that it pulled out automatically. But I tried doing this other one. Anna and Fulgen's on building blocks in the e-cam community. They did one where they actually created an overlay, which was like the layout of a thumbnail. And then they just took a screenshot. They just posed inside of it. Yeah, I thought that was absolute genius. That's great. I love that idea. So one of my worst failings of my many worst failings on my YouTube production is that I always forget to take. So they they recommend like just open up photo booth. And when you're in your in situ where you're going to be live streaming, but before you go, so your makeup is fresh and your hair looks good, you take a shot of you just, you know, doing that, get your mic out of the way. And, you know, if you're going to use your headshot for that stuff. And I always forget because I'm always in a fluster before I start my live streams because I haven't finished my scenes or something broke or blah, blah, blah. And so now when I'm live streaming, I'm always thinking in certain moments. I'm like, I got to remember this point because I paused and that'll probably make a good screenshot to use for a thumbnail. Oh, man, like. I would like to make a better thumbnail. It's just time, you know, like I'm like, I don't have enough time to. To spend. Yeah. Tom Tom says that into the thing. Tom Buck says that he spends almost as long making a thumbnail as he does making the video. So yeah, you can tell they're really well, well crafted the way he does them. And it's maybe got a bit more time further down the line. I'll do you want to hear a funny story? Yeah, sure. So I'd never watched Tom's channel with his wife and then randomly I'm in a discord for people building like startups around like creator economy, passion economy. His wife joined the discord and said, hey, did an introduction said hi. I reached out just saying, hey, great to meet you. We'll have to chat sometime and then found out that she is Tom's wife and that they're both full time. And I was like, holy crap. I'm like, I had sent him an email like a month ago just saying, hey, I just love your content. Even the dad jokes and just, you know, thanks. Right. Yeah. And he replied to, right? Like, and I was like, wow, that's awesome. And so I'm actually going to be on her show next month. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Congrats. I can't wait to see that. I'm looking forward to it. See you, Paul. Yeah, they're both, both cool people. Very much. So have you watched one of, I think he just put up a video recently on how I made a thumbnail or maybe it just happened to show up in my album. Yeah. So he had done one like a year ago on the iPad, right? Yeah. Yeah. So he's obviously updated that. So I've not actually watched that one yet. But yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's good. It's good. It's riveting. It's riveting cinema and he's sitting there to Photoshop and the iPad. It's just like, wow, like, you know, I know, I know. But a lot of the procedures he was describing about how he was illuminating certain things and having light directed in a certain way and like changing this light and changing that. And just, you know, he hadn't he had images that he he liked. But just, you know, tweaking them with the most subtle things that took, you know, not not a small amount of time, but made such a difference that when it was all put together, you're like, that's what a professional thumbnail looks like. Yeah. And that's why it looks a lot better than my thumbnails. Yeah. One of the things I did before starting the like in preparation for starting the channel was just sat in front of the green screen and took like a hundred ridiculous pictures. And that is now what I've got. You just have them ready. I just drop them on. Yeah. My daughter is just she's always ripping me about them. She says it looks ridiculous. Why is daddy behaving so stupid? Yeah, that's the worst. I can't do that because I'm aging so quickly that if I took a bunch of photos, like in three months, they'd be out of date and my hair would look different. And like, you know, I can't I can't do that kind of stuff. It's I got to I got to be true. I got to be honest and they've got to be fairly lively. I like Alex's idea. Alex's idea, though. You need like a Mad Libs generator for thumbnails. Yeah. Yeah. You press the button and it says, look, surprised. Yeah. And then you do all that stuff. There you go. Yes, Patrick Castillo. We do know that Tom Buck has about 17 light fixtures and his video on the Pavo nanotubes. Big Pavo tubes. Yeah, didn't they? The big tube. A thousand blocks, though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've got two of the small ones. I ordered it. Oh, you got the face cam. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, that does look pretty sweet. Oh. So interestingly enough, if you saw the alpha gaming review of it, I've not seen that one yet, actually, no. So he did a good a good or he did an overview one and then he has a full video about it. But he compared it. He said it's kind of like a Sony sixty four hundred with the Sigma 16 millimeter, which is actually what I have. Oh, my primary camera. So I'm I'm I'm happy that at least I'll have basically the same shot and I can have a second angle. Yeah, yeah. I think this may finally make me an e-cam user. Right. With this whole experience being with us. Yes, you're right. It's I have I have the trial downloaded and I'm probably going to get it for a year. But I just, you know, I was like, what am I supposed to do with it? Because like I'm like our software rep like does a bunch of these pieces. Yes. How do I integrate all this together? But I think the e-cam community is just a good community, regardless. It definitely is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I mean, as long as you allow virtual cameras in your streaming software, I think you might find it's actually a marriage made in heaven. We do. Yeah. So that's why I wanted to be able to test and know what's possible and absolutely make sure a lot of people show people how to do it. Yeah, they they ask for that ability to be able to like built into e-cam. They're like, we want to be able to from e-cam stream into a whole bunch of multiple platforms. And, you know, they kind of failed to understand how much actual processing overhead and all that kind of thing. And there's a real reason for products like what you're making because you actually don't want it all built in together. It's kind of like having your computer also be your HVAC system. Like, no, those are big jobs that you want to keep. I am. I agree with you entirely that you probably should offload this. However, I do think the user should have the control, right? Because, like, if you have a system with enough resources and you want to stream to just two places, having being forced to use an intermediary, you know, just because of that, right? Like, it seems kind of annoying, right? And if you've got enough upstream bandwidth, you know, then and you can handle it processing wise, it's not actually significantly worse. Yeah, but I got, for example, when I started live streaming, I got Wirecast. That was a huge pig. It was a terrible piece of software to use on my computer. And I had to shut everything off. And it was I think it was my old laptop that was probably part of the problem. But I agree, like, in outsourcing it to the extent that it probably makes sense for most people, but adding more layers and also has its own challenges, you know, as well, right? Like, so if you've got the resources and you want to stream to two places, the software doesn't do much more to actually open an extra outbound connection, right? OK. But but the machine does, right? Like, so it's more of a hardware constraint than it is like the software is going to pry choke, right? OK. But the thing that you said earlier in all that, I think that's the key point is if you have the upstream, if you have the things that you need in order to make that possible. And the problem is that a lot of people rock up to do five person interviews on Ecam and they're using a 2012, you know, MacBook Air. And you're like, no, you can't. And they've got 10 megabits per second upload speed. No, you cannot do that. But they don't because of the level of technological like the software is so easy to use and obtain that people think that, OK, well, that's job done. I don't need to know anything else, but you need to understand what upload bandwidth you need and how to optimize that. And you've got to pay for it. And then you've got to have a machine that can actually handle the tasks that you're throwing at it when you've got five video and audio streams coming in to that one place. So you're right. Absolutely right on that part, because that so they use a thing called Talkbox is the platform that Ecam uses to do its guest mode. All right. And so one of the challenges, right, is that you are right that you have to download the multiple inputs, right? So Alex actually downloading all of our stuff and then pushing it back out like in our platform, though, we don't actually do that. We send you back the program feed like that's actually going out to stream. So you actually don't ever have all of it. You don't have to assemble it all necessarily. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so there's different approaches and techniques for solving it. But most people have way more download download bandwidth than they do upload bandwidth, right? So. Yeah, absolutely. The harder part is definitely the upload, right? Like, because, you know, I have like 10 X download, then I have upload, right? And from bandwidth point of view. That's very common. Sorry, I'm a reformed engineer, so. That point that Michael makes is is that is the one thing that took me totally by surprise with Ecam. So I did my first live stream and then actually joined Doc Rock's office hours like so my first live stream was my Saturday and then Sunday was my first time in office hours. And that and the Ecam community has just blown me away really. How welcoming, friendly, friendly, supportive and everything everyone is. And we're all just here doing our own unique things. But we've all got this common drive of passion. And yeah, it's a really, really great community to be a part of, definitely. Yeah, absolutely. I've told this to Doc several times, whenever I managed to sneak on his streams, I throw myself in there sometimes just to make myself as uncomfortable as possible. Because you can keep him in check as well. Yeah, I can keep him in check. Yeah, dude needs to need stuff. Yeah, we need to we need to read him in. But he I do explain to him and share with all of you that one of the things that I've been able to learn the most from is how to build a community and how important that isn't what it means. So what are the steps that you need to take? Because that kind of community is exactly what I'm trying to build. And, you know, people who all support each other from all around the world, getting better as umpires. And I want them to all feel like they are together as a team. But I've had a hashtag for a while now, the hashtag 13. Because on the field, you know, there's like the one team in the second team who are competing against each other. And then there's the third team and it's the officials. So trying to learn and not necessarily ape, but, you know, feel that vibe and how great it is and share as much of that experience with the people that I work with is really, really important to me. So I'm getting a double barreled, you know, learnings all the time from being part of LGL and and Ecamm. To if you know, not just a live stream, but yeah. Yeah, if you want a good book, a friend of ours, David Spinks wrote this book called Belonging and it's a it's he runs a thing called CMX, the Community Management Roundtable. And it's a conference of one now, but it's a really good book and resource about like community development. I have another one. I have a book right there called The Membership Economy, which is all about like sort of subscription businesses and sort of communities and sort of like gating. My wife does community strategy for a living. So it's been a lot of time thinking about communities. Yeah. Sounds like I need to talk to her. Feel free to. Fantastic. I'm I am I'm giggling this right now. And it was Patrick. Was it written by? David. Oh, David. Yeah. If you look up, David Spinks Belonging. Oh, there it is. Good. I even spelt Spanks right. I was like, wait, is it Spanks as in, you know, the compression garments or the business of one? OK, there it is. Excellent. Oh, I did not spell it Spinks. OK. Wait, that's the one I was looking for. This is the power of Ecamp. Like. Yeah. Right. So there's that one and membership economy. OK. This is the kind of stuff I really feel like I will. You know, when you collect nonfiction books of things that you know are going to make you better in your business and that sort of thing, but you then you open it up and you think I could be reading a fantasy book right now. So these are the kind of books that I would actually open up and say I'm I am going to keep reading this. Like this, this will grab my attention for sure. So economy. OK. And it's an audiobook. I can do that too. Perfect. Dope. I will look into those. It looks very good. I love it. Good job. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I've not heard of those ones, actually. I should definitely have them into my list. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know if that if these kind of membership ideas are important to everybody who I've streams, but absolutely central for sure. It's it's it's what I've it's what I've based my actual revenue-generating model on so. Yeah, not really at the sort of it's all just an experiment for me at the moment. So I'm not angling for a necessarily building it as a business or a revenue source as such. But yeah, it's certainly learning a lot from Doc, though, and the way that he goes about things and like taking on board what he says about like his audience is his algorithm as opposed to pandering to the Google algorithm. I mean, it's like I mentioned at the beginning about how anything I do to related to Stream Deck just gets much more interaction and views than my other videos. But so you could just sort of say, right, well, I'm just going to go down the Stream Deck route and just hammer those videos all the time. But instead of making ones about window management instead. It's not quite as much cool for those. I'd be so disappointed if you just make videos. Yeah, I feel like the organic things is organically happening to you're the easiest thing to talk about though, right? Like real world real life experience is just you don't have to invent it. Right. You're like, I'm trying to do this. I was trying to do this the other day. Let me show you what I did. That's a great place to be, right? Like I found like when I when I was writing, when I wasn't consulting, I lost some of the experiences that yielded like the thoughts that were like, oh my, like, you know, where do I vent about like the nonsense I'm seeing right now in this org or whatever it may be. Yes. And so some of my best writing is usually like reactionary to like bad things I'm experiencing like with a client somewhere, right? And so, you know, if you want to make it a teachable or a learning moment, like, you know, that's what I think is really the power. I don't know how to make YouTube videos at all because I don't want to add anything which is why I do live streaming. Yeah, well, that's why I got into e-cam is because I don't edit my videos and it's like I was having to make some course material before for another business. And yeah, I did that all by editing and it just I just gave myself such a headache with it because if I thought I could edit myself, I would end up retaking stuff. So that's why I fell in love with e-cam really because I can just make a video and then it's done and minimal editing. I did have what I thought was a great idea to get these like the content out that I'd do one long live stream and then I'd chop it up into smaller videos and sort of repurpose it throughout the week. But it ended up being a total failure really because I did a in the end of the live stream failed but I went and recorded the four and a half hour video anyway, which was my total guide to e-cam. So it's a one take thing which is just how to set up e-cam live and go all through the process like four and a half hours. I think I watched that one. Right, right. Well, so then I thought what I was gonna do is chop that up into small little bite sized pieces of like 10 minutes or 20 minutes or whatever they were gonna be. But the problem was then I'd given myself an editing job. And second, when I do a video all the way through I wasn't thinking consciously about making distinct parts of it. And so I was doing little things that were kind of like little backs to earlier points. And in the end, instead of getting like 10 videos out of it which I was sort of thinking that I would be able to I think I ended up repurposing it like for three other videos or something. So I just thought never again, I'll just stick with the- You gotta cleanly outline I think if you're planning to get those pieces out, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point. I had somebody on Twitter. So obviously I cross promote my live streams on all the different platforms and somebody on Twitter replied to my What Up Wednesday live stream post because I put like this is what I'm gonna talk about and I had five questions. And some dude replied and said, you know, I'd like to watch but are you really gonna take 90 minutes to answer five questions? And the hilarious part was like, I got to three of them. And I mean, yeah, it's a lot to watch and it's a big investment and it's not for everybody. So I replied to him and said, yeah, fair point. If it's not your jam. I am trying to do those short little excerpts but the thing is is that what I'm talking about takes a while to dissect. And it's mostly because on a live stream, I'm not the one lecturing. I'm teasing ideas. I'm working with my audience. I'm asking them questions. They're giving me their input. Sometimes they're correcting me even. And that is part of the whole community aspect for me. So if I wanna put out an instructional video, yeah, I can put out a YouTube short. I can put out my Rulie Tuesday, which is eight minutes there about one rule. I can do that. But live streams for a different purpose. So yeah, I see the challenge in trying to pull out segments of content where that's not really what you're doing in a live stream. You're trying to do something bigger and more elaborate and involved that is built to keep people's attention for a long period of time rather than just give them a quick shot of information and then they go off to the next video. Sort of that. Yeah, I think it's like, so if you saw the page like for my channel, we built tools to like let you capture questions and topic ideas like from, it's designed for live streamers basically, right? Because like the whole idea is like, what should I talk about? You know, which questions do you have? And I think like sometimes like when you're in that small audience size especially, you're still kind of talking to yourself. It's almost like you're making a video, right? Like that's why I always like having the prompt. So I'd rather get a bunch of questions, not like in the comment section because it's too hard to pull them out and figure out which ones are there. And I do think you can use a live stream that way because at least then if you are bringing up a lower third with a question, you see where the next question is at least. And so it's like a little easier to cut into like a separate thing, right? Like it's not perfect. Like in Zellis, we keep track of when you bring the question on so we can auto cut it for you. But I still think there's some value there but I think the live stream to your point Kili, the power is to qualify and clarify like your responses based on the community, right? Like and with the community, not just like a YouTube video which I think can sometimes be like a self-contained negative knowledge to some degree, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Yeah, different purposes. You're just in preview mode. That's very bold of you. Alec, I completely messed up my stream on Wednesday because right at the beginning I went live and I have a two and a half minute warm-up timer. So that everybody can go get their drinks and come sit down. And but I had like a couple of scenes that I hadn't finished. And so I went into, I thought I went into preview mode and I mean, it just literally just went like everything was wrong. And I just sat there in front of the camera because I was on when I shouldn't have been and I just went, oops. And then the timer ran out and I said, hi, sorry, my scenes are gonna be all garbled, whatever, good to see you. It's what a Wednesday, blah, blah, blah and went into everything. So sometimes preview mode works for me and then sometimes I completely eff it up. Well, let's just see, here we go. I'll prick, click, finish. And I don't wanna click finish. That would have been terrible. I wanna go publish, not finish. There we go. That would have just been... Ooh, good work. Nice. Oh, we just redesigned the site, actually. So you probably haven't even seen the new one. Oh, cool, cool. Yeah, this is my startup. Amazing. Bring your top fans together. And you do monetization on here as well, don't you? Yeah, so we allow you to sell memberships and you'll also be able to take tips. And then the goal with our product is that it's kind of like Clubhouse because the video, the list of people is always there that are watching and you can bring anyone on stage. So you don't actually have to use kind of like you use the eCAM invite link except we can support like 15 people on stage at the same time. Right, right. And we manage the layouts for you sort of automatically. Got you, got you. And... But yeah, these little tools here you can see... Sorry, go on. Oh no, these are like some of the little toolings for the homepage that we give you, you get a homepage for your live stream, like the one I was showing created.show, which is like the, right, like on there you'll see there's a box like, oh, do you have a question or do you want to suggest a topic? And if you scroll down a little, this page is editable so you can put these blocks on there, whatever you want. But if you scroll down a little, like that's our calendar of all of our upcoming stuff and it doesn't matter what channel it's on. And so here, for example, suggesting a topic, someone wants us to talk about Bitcoin, right? And oh, if you want a question, like you can ask questions. But everything that we do, you have to sign in so we actually capture an email for you. Right, right. So you're building your mailing list, like every time your fans are actually engaging and interacting. Yes, yeah. Cool. And with the sort of layouts then, so if people are doing like call-ins and stuff like that, how editable are those? Although if you build them, obviously they're made on... Not too much yet. So we have some pre-built layouts built into the UI. Actually, if you scroll to the... Oh yeah, actually right down there, you'll see it. You see those little... Those are the layouts right there. Yeah, yeah. So we have like a picture in a picture, we have a split mode, but they're dynamic. So if two people get added, the picture in a picture just adds another underneath automatically. Right, right. If you do in split mode and you add a third person, it just adds a third column automatically. But you see how that list on the right-hand side, you can bring anyone that's in the environment up on stage. Cool. And so when you've been looking at using ECAM with this, have you been doing that as like bringing it in as a feed? So using it as a virtual camera then? It would be for to start, yeah. The starting point would be to use it as my camera. Yeah, yeah. Right, so my camera input, which I'm like the start person, so I could take up the larger space and I could put my co-host on in the picture in a picture, right? Like that'd be one way. Yeah. I'd like to go the other way though. So I'd like to expose our interview mode, basically back to ECAM. Right, right. So that you could have the ability to bring up as many guests as you want and have them sorted by like, their membership tier on YouTube or custom tiers, et cetera. So that you could still bring in people, but you could also have like this prioritization. So we're building things like Twitch has. Like it'll like do an alert automatically for you saying like, oh, you know, your tier three sub just showed up, you know, Greg. Yeah. And all those things will be automatic. You won't have to touch anything to do anything. Like our idea is to stream together with people, not to them. Right, right. Yes. That's cool. Yeah. There's a lot of good stuff here. I mean, obviously, Greg, I can look at this and I can see a lot of, you know, potential applications for me. And part of the reason I got attracted to Discord was that I had the ability to use the roles and permissions that Discord provides to stream to certain people in the server. So I could, I could focus on this tier of membership, you know, the people who, you know, pay more for the individual mentoring and that sort of thing. Yeah. But this could be even more granular and more versatile. I think we're gonna allow a Discord connector and then all your roles from there will show up automatically. Sweet. Now you're talking. Now you're talking. Anything that I don't have to. Right, is that, you know, when you have like 30 people who wanna get on stage or could get on stage, you're like, which one should I let on first? And so the idea would be that you could see like your Discord mods and say, great, bring all 10 of those people up on stage. And you basically have like a Zoom dynamically where you're all talking, but then you could also just remove them all and then bring up the next batch of people and remove them all and bring up the next batch of people. Very cool. And meanwhile, you still have lots of other people who could be watching and maybe commenting by text and that sort of thing, right? Absolutely, yeah. So we still have chat and then we also have comments coming soon. And hopefully we'll have the blended chat from the other services as well. Like there's APIs for all the stuff. It's just about, you know, there's only two of us. So. I hear, yeah. We get it. We get it. I think it's the only one who can do like a million things with only his one human body. The rest of us are a little more confined to our physical meat sacks. So yeah, it's a little more challenging. This is very cool. Well, how about this? I'll propose this. Me and you will try to do the first prototype Ecam and Zella stream one of these weekends when you do your Friday show. That would be really cool, definitely. We'll get it set up and we'll see what's possible. Cause technically we're in the browser. So we're just, you would just share our browser interface. You could take the audio from it and then you'll be getting all your guest audio in automatically. Sure, sure. And then you can still do all your other stuff on top of it. Yeah. Yeah, that would be cool. And with this, would this be applicable in... I don't know if we'll try that with you. Yeah. Yeah. Would you be able to use this as almost a, like almost as a virtual conference space as well? It's possible. Yeah. Cause you can have a million, up to a million viewers. The viewer part is not limited. It's just a number of on-stage people. Right. So, if you were having a panel discussion at a virtual conference where you had a bunch of experts and then you could have a limited number of people who get to come out to them, much like a clubhouse room, obviously. Yeah. I'm just, my mind's starting to think of all the possibilities. We're very much at clubhouse except it's video, right? Yeah. With like monetization and kind of some loyalty stuff built in underneath. Right. Which are the two things that clubhouse really needed was monetization and video. In my view. In my view, but there you go. So you solved a problem. Yeah. I love it. I hope so. We'll see, right? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, this is what I've been doing for the last, more than the last decade. So yeah, I've been in this space a while. That's a long time. Yeah. That's a long time. Well, you know, not young either. So. Yes. Two of us have announced our ages on the stream. I'll look at this. 43. 43. Okay, but we'll know. Now we'll know. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. How like, is it seven yet? I know you said, I think I remember last week you'd mentioned your little one gets up around them. Yeah. It's 541 at the moment. So any minute now? Oh, we're still early. 20 minutes or so. To be honest though, I was up quite early this morning. Normally I get up at three o'clock, but I got up at one o'clock this morning to watch Diana Gladney's stream. So that was a little bit earlier than normal. So I'll probably be having a little bit of a nap later at some point, I'm guessing. I love nap. I tend to be quite strict and regimented about my routine. I tend to be quite good about it, but yeah. What time do you go to bed then when you get up at three? Oh, like eight o'clock. Eight o'clock, something like that. Okay, eight o'clock or nine o'clock. So it's not like I'm only living on two hours sleep or something. I'm still getting a good eight or seven hours depending on exactly what time I go to bed, but yeah. Michael says he's much older than all of us. Oh, I don't buy it. Not a race. I don't buy it. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I remember Doc was talking about this on a stream recently about the discipline that, you know, if something's important to you, you will get up and you will do it. Absolutely. And yeah, I was using UL as an example of that kind of thing. And I know I certainly can get up at any time, any time of the night if it's field hockey. If I have to watch a game or if I'm being interviewed by somebody because most of my audience is in Europe. So I'm, I'm seven to eight hours behind all the people that, you know, care about my stuff the most. And that's no problem. I'll wake up at 2am, 3am, you know, like you do. But if it's my own schedule, I'm actually a night owl. So I, and I don't want to say that I can't, I can. But my natural body rhythm, it's a bit more of a challenge for me to shift that into going to bed early. And, you know, like you should, but I should absolutely be doing that. Cause if I was closer to Europe time, that would really change. Oh, God. If you're tired, I fall asleep because I'm so tired. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just 10 o'clock rolls around and I get all my best ideas. I really can just narrow my focus goes like this because I was a university student for eight years and that's how I lived. So I've trained my own brain to work that way. I need to retrain it a different way. Yeah. So I was always a nighttime person, to be honest. And I used to like, my best work was always sort of between 11 o'clock at night and maybe three in the morning, but from the other side. Whereas now, once the kids go to bed, this, this sort of time from now until six o'clock is the peace and quiet that I get where I can actually focus and concentrate on anything without any other noise going around. So I used to be the like the nighttime person and I've just basically shifted it. So I'm, so I suppose I still am a bit of a nighttime person but just started waking up in the early morning rather than going to bed in the early morning. Yeah. Oh man. That's amazing. I've never liked sleep. So it worked out for me too. I guess I'm the same way. Yeah. My schedule is still, I get up at 3.30 every morning. I go to a gym at 4.30. I cycle at six and then I'm home by seven to get my son up to take him to camp or school or whatever it's going to be, right? And that's, that's what you got to do. You don't got a choice, right? Like, cause later in the day is horrific. I like everything that's going to get in the way is going to come later. That's it. Yeah. The phone never rings at 4 a.m. No. Absolutely. That's very true. I really hate it when I'm just sort of talking and thinking aloud and then I realized that I'm being, like, I've been being stupid and been making my own excuses for myself. And Alec, you just really illuminated it for me and I feel very, all right. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Reschedule time. I will. I will. Yeah. Well, I've already mapped out the Olympics for myself because obviously it's a massive, it's, you know, the biggest tournament on, you know, the hockey calendar every four years. And I have a lot, a lot, a lot of work to do and the, you know, the matches are in Japan. So I'll be working from about 6 to 6.30 at night when the first matches start. There's one batch and then 11.30 the end. And then my plan was I was going to go to sleep for three hours or four hours and then get up at 3.30 and do another batch of matches. And then stay up until 2 p.m. And then go to sleep for another four hours. Like, this is what I have to do. It's crazy, but yeah, that's, I can do that for hockey. So why can't I just do it every day? Right? Just realigning the routine. It's one of those things where it sounds difficult when you're not used to it but then once you get used to it, you can't imagine doing it another way, I suppose. Yeah. And you guys have just proved it to me. So thank you and your jerks, both of you. Oh my goodness, there you go. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I need to jet off. I have some dinner to fix and more work to do on a Friday night, that's the way we roll. So for me, I'm gonna duck out if you guys wanna keep going, obviously. It's Alex's stream. He gets to do it, but... Appreciate you coming on. And yeah, both of you were so that I'm not just sitting here talking alone. Yeah, no, it was awesome. Thank you for having us. Oh, it was great. I wasn't gonna let you stay there hanging again. So that's why I said I can talk now. Oh, technically now. Yeah, you're officially a regular. I'm a regular now. Yeah, yeah. As soon as you do it the second time, you are a live streamer. I need a special animation now also. That's it. I'll figure something out, don't worry. Oh, thank you, Michael. Absolutely. Yeah, all right. Thanks for watching, Mike. That was a really neat evening. Yeah, cool stuff, guys. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, definitely let me know about the live stream on the platform as well, Greg, and we'll sort something out. Oh, yeah. I will find a way to send you an email. Cool, cool. AlecatTakeOneTech.io. Okay, perfect. Sweet. Cool, thank you very much, guys. And everybody watching, hope you found it interesting as well. And we'll catch you all later. All right, cheers. Bye, guys, bye, bye. I haven't got an outro screen, actually, having said that, so there we go. I'll just go to this one instead. There we go. I'll take my little lick off. Hope you all enjoyed it. Have a wonderful day. Bye-bye.