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Hey, okay, he's kind of a jack of all trades and he's somebody who has featured in a lot of TV shows which you've been watching as well as music videos but it's about time I introduce you to Samuel Lucebo. Please say good morning to the Y in the morning family. Morning, everyone. Yes. Good to see you, man. So yes, this gentleman is quite interesting. Oh, goodness. Goodness, Vashita, Auntie Boss, Coco, Jane and Abel, everything, everything. Goodness. Okay, so let's talk. Let's talk. Let me get to know you first, Samuel. Yes. So let's, who's Samuel? Samuel is just a simple person, actually. Personally, the vision to mentor more youths over in Africa itself. I strive to build musicians, actors and models in Africa itself. Yes. You strive to be. That's usually just me. Simple guy, I will say that. Simple guy from down the street. So how did you, how were you able to get into this industry especially and end up doing so many projects? People end up complaining that, oh, we don't have these opportunities. Oh, we're always doing auditions. We are not being casted. How did you learn so many roles? What's so special about Samuel? Well, being in the industry, I came to learn by myself plus a few guys who guided me through, like I would say, Kenneth Ambani. And then Raymond Ophola. There's a few guys who helped me in a few things in the industry. They're like basically my mentors. So as I came up, I came to understand you have to interact with more people and get to brand yourself. People could get to know who you are and what you represent or what you want people to see in you. So basically came to learn a few things as a group in the industry. So what was it about film and entertainment that caught your attention? Well, film, I started loving it while in high school. I was first musician, a rapper, mostly in a break dancer too. Oh, you were a rapper? Yes. Can I ask you to spit some lines? I don't know. I will do that later. When we play their games. Now I know what to do with you. So as a musician and a rapper, I was supposed to make a soundtrack for a film, a short film for the school. So after that, now the class teacher asked me to also be part of the film. So basically being in high school and being out of school most of the time shooting the movie, so this is the life. Wait, was this in Kenya? No. I see again. First, yes, no it wasn't. So after that, now I started loving film. So did a couple of films there and then came to Kenya now to pursue it further. Guess I got rejected so many times. How many times? Can you count them? So many. I was say over 50. Oh, so people shouldn't lose hope? No. Okay. So being in the industry should not lose hope. So with time it came to understand that yes, I should put myself out there and moreover I should interact more with more people in the industry. Getting to know producers, directors, even as you go to audition, you still have to know other people. So I attended a number of forums, workshops and stuff like that to get to know more people. So yeah, that's how. So can I ask why the big ships? Why did you come from wherever you came from and came to Kenya? Well, you know, there I was just, how can I say, simply starting. As much as I did a few other things but mostly it was just starting. After that, I decided to come back home. So yes. You came home to grow your own? Yes, it's better that way. Okay, so for someone who's been casted as a drug dealer, a businessman. Okay, so what is it about people's personality that considering I've seen you've also produced a film yourself? You've also been the executive producer for a particular film here. In fact, let me just name it. The New Game. New Game. Yeah, it's a short film we did in 2013. Yeah, it was a nice film basically about what is happening within the industry. A dude trying to, how can I say? No, it was basically about lesbians. Ah, very interesting conversation. So that is a risky content right there. Yeah, it was just a few things. These things exist, so we just tried to talk about it but we didn't put it like really out there. So let me ask you when it comes to casting, what is it about somebody that makes you feel like this person can fit into this role? You know, like how do you get even those people who are not really gay, per se, but to act gay? Like what is the trick? Well, that's hard. Casting a person, you have to see something much more than they just show you. Most people want you to see something yet there's something much more within them that they kind of hide and that's the main thing that we're looking for. So usually I try to make people totally comfortable. Like there's a film that we're going to do an international film called Africa God. It's based in the 1800s, how life was in Africa before, before colonization and stuff like that. Oh, uh-huh. Yes. So with that you have to be yourself, but strong. Show the African natures, show the beauty of Africa, your unity, your strength, your power, how can I say, your color. That's, we want to see much more than what you're just showing us because there's too much that you have, but you do not want to show it. Interesting. Yes. So what do you do? Okay, now that we are all hiding something, how do you know what I'm hiding? What's the secret? What are the clues? Well, it's just a few questions. Basically what I look first is your dress code and then your tone variation and the way you walk and the way you talk. The way you walk, the way you talk, everything. Okay. Yes. So the first, first seconds as you enter the audition, that's when I've literally auditioned you. So the next ones are just to confirm if I've seen what I wanted to see. Yes. From there now, I get to know you, the real you now because I cast the real person, not the person you're pretending to be. You know, I really don't want to ask this question, but I think I'm just going to take the risk. I mean, what the hell? Anyway, so if you want to cast me or if you want to give me a role, what role would you give me? Yeah. Well, first of all, I would pick you as a naïve receptionist. Naïve receptionist. Can you believe this gentleman? Anyway. Yes. There's that and then a lawyer, a feisty lawyer. Oh, feisty lawyer. Yes. I would pick those as the main ones first. Feisty lawyer and a naïve receptionist. Oh, maybe you should also slide into a DM and let us know, you know. Maybe when the other presenters come here as well, I think, babe, I'd like to know what you think of them, but I think that would be much, much later. However, let's talk about now roles that you got and how they fit into your own personality. Like how did you bring them out? Like there's one in which you're a drug dealer. Yes. Like that with Pareto. Yes, there's Whisperer 2 was a drug dealer. And then there's another one called Exchange. It was picked as one of that and then broken. So you've gotten a drug dealing role three times. Yes. What is it that you look like a drug dealer? Are you a drug dealer? Okay, you know, that side is that you say you usually hide that you want to bring out. Yes, most people in the see me, the see me is a cool, chilled, simple guy. But there's other things within me that I can show. So basically for these roles, as I did them, I showed them the other side of me. And they kind of liked it. So yeah, I got those roles based on that. Okay, so there's another role that has, that has kind of sparked my interest. So aside from being a drug dealer and a business man, you've also been a womanizer. A womanizer, interesting. Tell me about your experience, please. There's a film, one of my first films in Kenya called Geopanda. So it's Swahili movie. So I was casted for it as a business man and a womanizer. I had like five, five wives. Five wives? Yes, yeah. But you know, having so many wives to bring you stress, stuff like that. And then they ended up, that stress, depression, ended up killing me in a minute. So you just couldn't handle the pressure. So that was the message that you just need one wife. You're going to kill yourself without this. Yeah, it's better to have just one wife than five of them. Yes. So in real life, in real life now, when people meet you, considering some people meet you for the first time on screen and they adopt that character that you're portraying there, it's kind of who now they associate you to being with. Can you tell me about your interaction with your fans? Have I met somebody and they were just so skeptical about you because they've seen you be a womanizer or a reptile somewhere? Yeah, a few have approached me in a weird way. Others have feared me, based on within that character, I was extremely angry. So the anger, though, they think that they couldn't easily approach me. So well, I had to make them comfortable with me because I'm a simple person and you can easily interact with me anyhow. So when they got to know the other side of me or rather the real me, they got comfortable because this is just acting. When you're a drug dealer, it's not you. So it just be myself with my fans. Do you ever get tempted to be one? Like you haven't been in your role so much that you're like, oh God, can I actually really do this in real life? Yeah, it's a... Do you get lost, basically, in the moment? Yes, the film that I did called Exchange. That's when I got really deep into that character. It was very emotional and there's a side of that film that depicted my past a bit, so... Also you could relate to stuff of the experiences the character was going through. Exactly. So it was quite personal with it. And yeah, I got deep into it and before I got out of that character, it took a while. It took a while. So what did you do when you were in character now on the outside world? I'd like to know. No, just people... Did you buy a cigarette or something and feel bad? No, I used to just want to be the strangle some more. Oh, for real? Violent. Yeah, I want to put them up and make them know who I am and stuff like that. So it kind of got into my head so much and then now I had to remove it. Oh, it arose a certain persona in you that you didn't know existed. There was something I was watching when it came to a specific actor called Jim Carrey. I think you know him. Ace Ventura, the man, that guy, the funny guy. He talked about how he got lost completely. Like he did so many films. He doesn't know who he is. He says he's everyone, like he's everyone. Do you think it's possible for an actor to get to that point where you don't have a personality anymore? You're whoever... Yes, there's where you get so many different roles or a particular role until you usually just adapt to it. It happens a number of times for actors who, I can say, are methodologists. It really happens, yes. This is whereby you get very deep into that character. You even lose weight. You do everything. You cut your hair. You get embodied in through that character. And this is something you have to bring alive. So it usually happens at all. I can imagine that must be interesting. So let me find out for you. Is there a particular role that if you were to be given, you would not play? Like it would be against everything that you believe in. Have you ever been put in a position where you are like, oh, no, I can't do that? Yeah, let's see. There are few... There's a form of supposed to be transgender. That was a weird film. I had a lot of money, but I couldn't do it. Because, well, I wouldn't feel that comfortable. It's not that I have anything against such people, but personally, I can't do it. So yeah, that's a role I cannot do. It defeated you a little bit? Yes, because there were foreigners. And those roles are quite tempting. They're tempting. Very tempting, based on the fact that you've given a lot of money to do that role. So when you look at it and then you look at what you're going through in life, you kind of want to do it, but no... You're like, this is not worth the money. It's not worth it. Okay, interesting. So there's a particular role that you also played, which is a video fox. You've been in one of our big artists' music videos, and she's our lady. And I just wanted to ask, how does it feel like to romance another woman's man, especially in some of these cases, he's even around, you know, he's just there watching. Like, how does it feel like? Yeah, okay, the music video is for women in Madini classes. So, yeah, it was quite a romantic role because I was going to play as a marrying somebody else. And then, yes, if you have the dude there and maybe you hate him, you have fun with him. No, you enjoy the role properly. Yes, but at times maybe if you don't have chemistry with the person or the lady's not comfortable with you, you cannot do it. So, yeah, for this particular one, it was quite simple. And then there were certain sins we were to do, but the director could not allow it. So, yeah, the story changed. So, yeah. Interesting. So, of course, I like the fact that you've mentioned there are chemistry between characters. What happens when there's no chemistry between characters? Like finding people have casted, and you feel like this person is best fit for this, this one is best fit for this, then it doesn't work. That one is a huge problem because, okay, there's a new TV series I'm coming up with called Temptation. I'm working with this guy. It's the idea from this Robert Mambo from Citizen. Yes, so within this TV series, the certain of those characters didn't warrant so comfortable with others. So, you just had to make them adapt to each other slowly by slowly because at the end of the day, it really has to work. So, but if you find that you cannot get any chemistry with the other person, then I as a cast director, I'll have to change you. And it's usually had, it's a hard choice. So, I have to do it either way. So, but usually we try to make people build chemistry like various rehearsals. So how do you, yes, I was going to ask, so how do you build chemistry like between people? When you notice, oops, no, it has not gone the way you had. They had imagined, but these are the best people for this job. So what are some of the steps that you take to, you know, make it work? Well, do you set them up on a date? What do you do? Yes, okay, there's a few who we have done that to set them up on a date, so that at least they build that chemistry. Then we had a number of rehearsals for them. So these rehearsals, you have to get to know this other person. Basically, first for like a week, you have to just personally know the other person you're playing with, get to know who they are, what they do and stuff like that. So how do you draw the line? Because once you want them to get that personal connection, how do you draw the line? Well, you just have to respect one another. There's nothing else than that. So I usually just tell them that they respect each other within that role. What they're doing, make sure that you don't overstep your boundary because at the end of the day, you might get burnt. So yeah, so we try to make sure that every person respect the other person. Interesting. Every person respects the other person. Have you ever had character regrets? Like you've done a film or a series and you realize, no, no, no, no, no, so and so should have been this and so and so should have been that. However, had an experience of that nature. Yeah, a few times. Yes, when it costed somebody for a certain role that didn't fully deliver, and then I thought I shouldn't have costed because there are people who are extremely excellent during an audition, but bad during the shoot. So it's, you kind of wonder who did you cast? So it's at the end of the day, you really have to have a plan B. If you don't have a plan B, either you just go with it or you don't know. Okay, okay, so it's about time we need to take a short break and then we'll be right back. And do make sure that we have a few Panari giveaways for you. So if you wanna win a prize, make sure that you let us know whom you want to take out, who you want to go with to that special occasion at Panari and make sure there are tickets for two. And also they will be ice skating, movies, dinner. So make sure you do participate in this particular dinner for two, you know? So make sure you do tell us who you want to go with and tell us your story and let us know. And the person who's gonna win this on our social media handles, the Try24Channel, the hashtag is why in the morning, hashtag social Friday, let us know your story and maybe you'll be lucky enough and this Easter you'll be somewhere in Panari and having a good time, you know? But it's about time we take a short break, we'll be right back with Samuel.