 Don't leave me. I want to just wanted to introduce you So we can start Okay, so hello everybody Welcome to the Debian mid-buff It's quite typical that we are just a few people because it's kind of a niche topic and so I'm also Standing here in the middle of this room and not on top of this booth to be a little bit closer to you So for the very short introduction, I want to give some overview about the history The idea was born at liberal software meeting. You see a lot of Bordeaux wine bottles there. It was of liberal software meeting 2001 we had some idea and after having some wine we started coding actually we were preparing a talk This is no fake Because the idea was born I had to talk in the next day and some medical history on medical Open-source track. So how develop this team? I'm entertained to make some statistics about people who are working with our team and this are actually the upload statistics of Packages which are maintained by the Debian mid-team You see in the first three four years not so much happened It was basically about some Microbiology software, which is also used in medicine and then we from 2006 2007 we You see some steep slope and we have actually gathered a lot of people and a lot of packages Which are maintained by the Debian mid-team and I think this is something we can proud about In comparison this is The chatter on the mailing list what we are chatting about so it's no point in that that I'm The most active writer on the mailing list I'm actually even more proud on the people we got in the last five years about You see there's a solid base of people discussing issues. We are not really losing a lot of people Some or two went over to two other projects a bit, but we are about 15 to 20 people who regularly are Discussing on the Debian made mailing list and We have also some more developer oriented lists started in 2006 which is also Featuring some Interesting discussions and so you see the project is somehow healthy and it's not entertained only just for the one of Fun of one or two people which is The case or it might be the case in such a niche project and I always say Medicine and free software has a very very small common set because typically Medical stuff has some money and doesn't care about free software or whatever and just buy somebody who Will care for his software and so we have to find hardly to to get some more users This are the commits which are done by the Debian mid team You see even I'm not winning this anymore. The Charles place. He is a very very active developer. He's a Biological expert He's a French and works in Japan. I have never met him, but it's really cool to work together with him and I think this is quite a good sign that we are a strong team that we are a lot of people here working What about the packages as I told you in the beginning in 2002? There was something which I just have picked up from other developers who dropped some microbiology packages and we had some Packages for image for imaging which might be also used by medical care So and you will see a large increase of microbiology software. This is quite typical because this biological software is Basically invented and written in in universities and universities tend to have much more Free software than in other places of medical care. And so we have this lot of microbiology Software it's also could be used in my institute. I'm also working in the medical institute, which is investigating in Yeah, several things, but specifically where I'm living they are sequencing Stuff and so this software could be used but but isn't so for whatever reason and You also see that there was an increase in the number of packages which are well have run for medical imaging These are dichom viewers and so on and I'm really proud because we have gathered by Because the Debian made team exists. We we were able to to gather developers who are working on this I'm pretty sure that these software would not be in Debian if the Debian made a project wouldn't exist And so you see some medical imaging software, which is increasing more and more. We just got two other packages, which are very famous and helpful and You also see a small bar starting from 2005 with medical practice programs. So This is also a problem. I want to address with this graph if people here Debian made they assume this would be some DVD or live DVD they could throw in their computer medical practice and can manage the practice and this is just wrong and it will probably be wrong for all the time because I Want my doctor to cure me and not his computer So I would always suggest to have Some service company who do the service for the doctor and I want to have to hand over Debian made to this company and I care for the computer of the doctor and I want to do the preparation of this company and They could base their service on free software, which I think is a very good idea and then In this way by this proxy Debian made could make it into a medical practice These practice management programs are Programmed and also used by doctors which are on the same time programmers They have not that much users, but they have some and I think it's quite of promising. We had a equity service a long list of Free software which claims to be able to manage a medical practice But if you look at the code and look at the organizing Organization of the project or so they are mostly not and that's one good example Which is called new made we have included it and we might get some others of it But you have to be careful if you see free medical software. It's Frequently some stuff a doctor sat down the evening and write some code and was learn some Tickle programming and starts coding and it's it's not useful for anybody else. So please be careful and We hope to pick the cherries out of this with the Debian made project and if you know some some Such cherries we should include just talk to us and write to our mailing list and we will include it You know kind of to do list So far for the statistics what tasks are we covering in Debian made as I said we have Molecular biology structural biology and bioinformatics and we have even some separate so-called task for if you want to develop medical applications and We have a set of next sequencing Next generation sequencing programs and I tend to say we cover all important free software Which is available there because this people are quite active. This is also Charles blessie and Stefan Muller who are behind this we have some packages where you can do some Philogeny and we have also made some well It's it's just picking out of all the software which is called cloud computing which you can run On on a X term and which doesn't need any graphic interface. So this is a biology part This is quite good covered. We have a drug database which is used in medical practice programs Which is quite new and I hope useful. I'm no doctor Can't tell about about but these doctors who are using new made our key on it and I like it we have some epidemiology software and This is also quite good stuff. It's most of these packages are using new are the statistic package and It's useful for epidemiologists As I said, we have a lot of medical imaging programs and tycom viewers. You have a quite strong team behind it We have some medical physics packages We have as I said medical practice and we have some about Psycho-psychological research. It is a neuro debian project which is one more or less by two Debian developers, which are very active. This is a really cool project. It is could be even be a separate project In parallel to debian made because they are doing a lot of stuff and a really good work We have something for statistics and some small tools which are useful for for your personal health and We have something Out of tech for if you want to do some publishing, but that's not so much So we have some tasks. We don't cover currently or we do not yet cover anymore The good news is that about oncology We will upload Next month it was just upload. There was some some issues with with the license which are fixed. It just needs to Do a 30 minutes of work. I will do it the next couple of days We had some content management system inside debian which was based on soap and soap too And so too was removed from debian and so we cannot support this anymore This is not really a problem because it's so people said well Perhaps it's not so good to have it packaged anyway, and you can easily install it so We can recommend People who want to run this on their computer and it's quite easy to install So it's not something we really lost for the users, but it's not packaged anymore We had once a program which was intended to manage the dental practice Which was actually written by dentists, which was accidentally debian developer, but he just stopped his his work on it and So it was finally removed from debian because it was somehow off-ended and you can't be sure if it works and you kind of provide something To honestly to people who depend on it if it's not to maintain it anymore And a little harder point is our hospital information systems because these system are quite complex and We are working on one thing which has some coverage in in The United States and other countries, which is called vista It is it needs special database system, which is called mums gtm mums, and we are currently strongly working on this and It's kind of nice experience for me because we just got the debian developer who said hey, they were made It's a cool team. I have no relation to to medical stuff But I would like to help you and he started working on this mums where we have no manpower And he has some free time slots and is currently working on it. I'm really happy because I never Started attacking this beast. It's really hard. You you need to bootstrap it You need to need to have a running mums database to to get it compiled the next version so kind of GCC stuff and Hopefully we will get it for the next debian release, but I'm I'm optimistic, but I can't promise anything There is some software where you can Maintain a medical laboratory, but we have not yet started working on this So we can just recommend it if someone is there is somebody outside who wants to do it that's fine just Stay in contact with us and we can help you when when it's about maintaining Some package in debian is the same with pharmacy. It's tense a little bit in into direction chemistry so our Goal in debian made is because we why we are 10 to 15 people We cannot do everything ourselves our goal is to invite even more people to join us to prepare or to teach people how to prepare debian packages and Sponder these package to the debian pool this work quite out quite good in the case of So called bio linux bio linux is more or less biological distribution. It was formally based on debian now in Ubuntu for whatever reason and These people were doing the following they have a common set of applications to debian made But they didn't use the debian made packages But rebuild the packages in a non-conformant way. They moved all the packages to use a local Which is not a good idea in my opinion and added other software which we don't have instead of saying hey I could join debian made team put these packages inside debian and use what we are preparing These were three people basically working in Great Britain at the Sanger Institute Institute and now they had to learn that people go away and this Only one was remaining and said hey if I don't join the debian made team I will not make it and so he finally joined and Yeah, we have now some kind of cooperation and I really hope that they will base their work on ours They could label their stuff debian made Biolinux or whatever they could do whatever it's it's free, but Fixing the problem is a route. So putting everything in debian and then derive later is in my opinion The way you could make your work very very easy So this is these are the people who Probably entered debian via debian made what is my opinion what we as a debian made team can bring back To debian because we just have this list of several people who more or less Are debian developers or debian maintenance because this Team exists they just entered debian made did some work and then decide how I could do some Some work in this team Microphone there's a question. Yeah, always feel free to interrupt me if the mic works then Which is on you have to press a little bit longer Andreas, what is the professional background of the team members? Are these all doctors or yeah? research the first four people are biologists the fifth David David Palaino is a student of oncology of dentists or want to be become a dentist He is a very very very busy inside debian and he even Left the debian made project to do some other stuff. So this is a dentist to be a squad hammer I'm not really sure. I think he's a doctor and he's carrying a lot for documentation Michael hanker is Part of the neuro debian team. So he's a neurologist Jürgen Salk Dominic behasemi Matthew Malater are professionals in medical imaging and Alex metash really is also biologists So they are basically medical expert in the vital sense in Contrast to me and I really rely on these people because I'm a physicist and I I need to Know this is expertise So I'm very happy that these people are inside and I would even invite any biologists or whatever even if you have no programming skills to join the project and Help us evaluating the software Which is also very very well thing so on and We have we have also here in the room Michelle and Vanessa who also Time of part of the the team and but I don't think they are In deviant because is deviant made exists you are there anyway So I just have more in the team But these people came to deviant because of the team access that this was the center of this slide So now I'm coming to some stuff. We are doing in my opinion. Not so good it is well as I said Free software and medicine have a small common set of People but we could do better better to make the project more visible. I was Hesitating in the first period the first five years to advertise deviant made so much because well We had no so much and if you advertise something to the world We are great whatever and they look and there is not much. They will never come back, but I think Now we are in a state where we have something we can present and we have some some use cases even if People might have the wrong expectation as I said I would want to write like my medical practice with this and It is just wrong to say that that we can cover everything. We cannot Manage billing and so which is not included in the software and doctors want to do billing and it's There is some software. It's not included. It's not compatible everything. So there's work in progress and We should mention this all the time But we can do some some better with for instance. We now have a deviant made block Which is cool. I have also to admit I'm Maybe I'm too old. I'm not in all this Twitter blogging Facebook stuff. I need help I need help from young people who are doing this I'm reading on the mailing list This is more or less everything I doing for communication or email is my main means of communication And I can't do everything you see I'm posting quite frequently. I have a fixed Times It's always minds my spare time I can do the work and if I split this time I had to drop other things like Building packages and so so just I need to have I need beneath other Vanessa was quite good in Creating Twitter and the dentica and Facebook accounts If you want to comment now or rise your hand or let or we have any ideas Just cry for the microphone. Yes. I created a Twitter and identical account We don't have a Facebook page yet, but we can have it so for both cases Twitter and identical the user is deviant met and please join and Share your comments with us via Social networks right now. I'm trying to Make a script that takes the information from the deviant met blog so those accounts keep more active and post information automatically so users are up-to-date and Things like that. Also, there was an idea that we can take information from package uploads and new packages in the deviant met project To to be posted on those accounts too, I think that would be nice There was a little bit of discussion when this topic went to the mailing list so Since I really like social networks, and I think it's a really good idea and a way to get new users and Maybe get more people interested in the project. I said, okay, I'll do it I like this this way of communicating and I have to that well I didn't have the time at the moment, but now I have the time to to work on it. So I just Yeah, thank you. So it could be a way to I know don't know this interface, but if in packages uploaded of the deviant met team It goes a male to to the mailing list and we could use this to trigger this to forward this packages uploaded to to They were in a new version and to read about this and perhaps which was a short description or so this should be probably possible and To to just create some traffic to make people aware that there is something and something is happening We have also an I'll see a channel and I tend to use an I'll see channels if I'm on that one friend And it's not not us and I think there was any any posting Over that conf on this channel. So it is silence there if people prefer I'll see just try it if it helps and if you Think about other means of communication I'm open for any suggestions and we should also be more visible inside the world visibility means we really need a logo we have some Competing logos somehow one we actually can't not really use because it is using the red cross Which you can't use it is copyrighted. So this is not possible Currently nobody cared and we have a different one with a snake around something so If you know a good designer and we decided about a logo I'm not so keen on deciding about this stuff I'm more technical and people say well, this is a good one We should probably do it if you have also In inside Debian Valetio Valetio is doing a lot of stuff about Painting images and multimedia perhaps we can ask him for help to make the single and good logo, whatever we can do it and We perhaps need to have a flyer. I once made it made some such thing. It is in a repository based on tech with this two-side H4 Thing which is translated on one side in English and one in German and it is perfectly outdated and should be Adopted to the new things and so this is something we actually also need and we probably need a lot of more stuff to make us more visible Mike and I'm from Linux marketing as a journalist. Please work with the Debian press team Because I'm on their list so They're your channel or any team's channel to the press. Yeah, this is this is right. I realized this one You always have to decide when it's time to to say well, we read something in This was interesting because there was some noise and German news channels about open zoos and medical which is Kind of a friendly or complete over the parallel project. It says also Fedora made and they Regularly issue new releases about open zoos and medical We in Debian made have the following problem. We release if Debian releases Because we are inside Debian. So there is no actual Debian made release because we are no separate Project and that's why we can't issue these. Hey Debian made release Stuff We want to say some you could have a Stable PPA once PPAs are available. You could have a stable PPA for Debian mad and then release more often Yeah, we could think about this. Yes, this is right Yeah, okay So could something denote these ideas in the copy document, please This would be great about these Java applications Yes Do you Try to exclude the Java from Debian mad Well, the problem is we have a lot of interesting Java application with we would like to include in Debian But you have always a problem that upstream provides a large table or Java or whatever which includes 10 50 whatever. Yes. I don't like Java Well, it's not about I like it. It makes it hard Yeah, it just makes it hard to package because in Debian You have to provide the source for everything and you should not add Different versions of libraries and so we always have to if we have want to have one Java application we need to package about Say ten other libraries to get this in Otherwise it goes to non-free because as no code This is really hard Yeah, do you have a comment? There's a question on IRC does Debian mad offer only a software solution? Is there a complete solution with hardware and consulting service contracts or third-party companies? That's from Dilex No, there isn't but it would be cool to have Not yet So yeah, this is in the beginning. I said this some kind of my plan to provide to a company We are not there But I could imagine that is perfectly possible if there would be a company interested in doing so I would really love that so Yeah, took it back to the Java application So I managed to to get one or three package that way, but we I could work One year full-time to get all the interesting stuff in Debian But I have no time to do it full-time. I have only my spare time and I have also to do Every other things for them and so this is hard if we have some Java competence Just join us and There is large applications like vista. I mentioned it's in the beginning. It is a hospital management system So we are currently Proceeding a little bit in this, but this is also there are large applications a hospital management of a Large hospital is is is a hard thing. It's like the question was a little bit touching and You could probably earn a lot of money with a company Which is running this stuff based on Debian made in in in some hospital because you can ask for a lot of Money in a hospital if you do it reliable and we could make your job as a company Either then you would have it if you would have to build everything on your own. This is what we can provide on Debian made Yeah, we have also to work out some non-free issues because Well in the pure technical world where people are quite in the coding you Just learned about what means the difference between free and non-free, but The software is quite frequently written by Not so technically expert there. It is written by biologists and they apply Licenses like well you can use it for free in For educational and scientific use, but if you want to Put it in in some device. I would like to have one dollar So, okay, that's I can understand this license. It's it's okay, but This software cannot be put on a Debian DVD because we would to deliver one dollar per DVD to this person's but It's just not possible because people will not use this specific software and so it's it's a problem This is licensed and we try to teach authors about this and Sometimes we were successful and sometimes not so you can always work on this issue So if you have no coding abilities writing nice emails about licenses to the authors also finds him Do we have install or live CDs or something like this? No, we don't have at the moment Because my idea is that if you install a Debian and install the meta package we are providing it's quite simple to install and It works for the user base we have currently This might change in the future. And so we might Build install CDs, but I want to do something in advance. For instance, there was a very interesting buff Two days ago, which was which said package recommender and I would like to have some Investigation in all these people who are in here have installed our medical packages. What are they using? Are they using or are they tending to use a certain desktop browser or whatever and I would like to put this stuff which is Which has proven to be useful for these people? To put on this CD What about a live CD? I think you can build a live CD quite easily. We have some meta packages just use live helper and Put them on the live CD. Yeah, you just have to maintain the task. Yes we have we maintain meta packages and tasks they are created automatically and This is quite easy to build a live CD. So we do not provide any specific support for it. That's the reason But you could ask it for it to be built regularly. Yes Yeah, we have work a to-do list in the wiki there's a link the link is also in the gobby document and It is separated into to-do lists from for users with not so much coding skills and packages so You probably will be able to pick a job which is which fits your skills and You also find a List of bugs we are using the blends techniques the blends techniques provide Task pages with the overview what we have and they are also providing the so-called bugs pages there you the bugs are put in Categories like biology medical practice and whatever and if you are interested in a certain field just go to this box page then pick your Your bug of choice and fix it. It's easy and It's basically what what I wanted to tell you so we have 10 minutes left if we can fill this 10 minutes with Questions, it's fine. If not, I can do some can show you something on the task or box pages, whatever so Just I don't want to take up too much of your time because it's your buff, but What are the plans for the next Debian release is there anything that you want to have in Debian met by What's it called wheezy wheezy? Yeah, yeah, but for the first remark you don't steal time You are more for the buff. So it's fine if you ask and the plan is to have this Vista inside or at least at least GTM mums Which is a precondition for Vista because of this Boot strapping processes is quite of a technical work. We would like to have two other practice management systems, which are one is based in France and quite adapted to the French medical system and the other one is Called freemade it is a PHP. So it's a browser driven system There are doctors out there who don't want to use such stuff others want to use it So these are the those system. I would consider consider serious We also like to have some of these Java packages included which are some Applications which are frequently used by biologists and this is basically what we want to include We should perhaps also put this on the wiki page some kind of release goals. Yes. Thank you Are there any programs for? Machines or some I think I mean like for MRI or something that is free I'm not I'm not really sure there is in the oncology field. There is something what you are using to to build models how to Prepare the radiation and put in the right place and so There is a free program called prison. It is written in Lisb, and we had contacts Six years ago to the main auto and then he forgot and now he came back and said oh It was something rusting. I found an old male. Would you like to include it and but we now need the Lisb experts in the deviant made team and This seems to be complex But it would be also interesting to have this included until we see is released. It is possible, but Might be we might miss this goal. So this Torsten alterhauts who is working on this Mooms Thingy is get also engaged in lists because I said oh, I don't know this is seems to be interesting I would like to do this and so it's really cool because We got some help out of nowhere, which is really appreciated and Perhaps it works out So any other questions? No Yeah, Mike No, please wait for the mic. You could put the list Problem to a list mailing list. Yeah, sure We do so some some people like a challenge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we are Communicating with a list mailing list and we are communicating with a Yaba mailing list I'm also joined the Java buff tomorrow. So we we are just talking with with other teams inside deviant That's what we actually are doing What they hint is perfect What please can do You could try a general are not so they being less there. Yeah, but go outside deviant Outside deviant. Oh, yes. Oh, I'm afraid of this. Yeah, but yeah, good hint. Yeah, thank you. So Well, perhaps I can show something We have here They were made this is oh, there's another question a question from the video team Hi It was not actually a question. It was just an idea for a logo. You could have a scalpel slashing a swirl into some flesh Yeah I mean any idea about the logo artist. Yeah, yeah, you you see this is a One version which is not good. We should replace this more or less and this is actually the example What it's generated from this? task techniques inside Or inside the blend framework Here you can see easily What task needs some work the red ones are obviously those which are needed in need of work Medical data we have only one drug database and this is bug free So there are no bugs and we have several bugs in Imaging system so we can use one but this is not looking that bad as it might seem here There are also some more generic Packages inside those These aren't is somehow connected to to our owners. This is a neural imaging This is a neuro debian package which has a problem, but for instance There are problems in More to say Maybe actually no, this is our basic is no imaging which has to fight to their their bugs and and some Of them are all decom image. Yacht is more general package, but Yes, here is here. You can see what work can be done or What about The biology so where we have more program there are more more chances for for causing trouble so here can all we are closely working together with Debi Shem team These people are working on on on software which is relevant for chemists and for biologists So you see if this window would live a little bit larger you would see One moment You would see that it's yeah here is maintained by the Debi Shem team So we are working closely together with with other blends. So you see there are some bugs to fix And If you like this, it's okay, or if you want to advertise Debian made watch is what is in my opinion the first way you can do go to our tasks page and If somebody is I just invented this stuff for the blend framework to answer the question What are you doing? It is sometimes really hard for us to tell anybody what I'm doing and my colleagues which are interested in biological software Are just happy if they see this page what they can have these pages are Translated as far as the Debian description is translated the pages are showing screenshots Why can't I see it here? So if there's a screenshot of a package you can see it here From screen shots that they were not net Yeah, it is these pages are auto-generated every day They are using UDD and I made sure that the screenshots are in UDD is that the translations are in UDD That depth no depth X was not planned. There's a new What's in you is also in UDD trend So we can go to Actually, we have no packages in UQ because FTP master is that fast the last time so I Was feeding information first UDD and then I was putting it on on this page as this was the idea so these pages are more or less for Answering the question. What's inside Debian made or other blends there were two people from Debian Adu sitting around and they left us. I don't know why I would have stick to the their session, whatever And for everyone else UDD is ultimate Debian database ultimate Debian database. Yes, it's Should keep any information about packages in Debian and it has at least a lot and even about Ubuntu I Would will enhance You have here what versions are an inside Debian and And we have currently here. This is an example only in experimental. We have also other work. I will show you have just one minute left So you can see what versions of this package called philip is in Debian And I would extend this to what's in Ubuntu because it's a quick frequently asked question So we have friendly also to Ubuntu. I have no problems with this So time is up. Thank you very much for attendance. I hope That we have were able to win some new people Debian made and have fun for the rest of the depth conf