 Let's hope this works guys Trump roll All right. Well, hopefully we're live. It was given some problems beforehand, but let's hope it works So hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another Warhammer weekly after dark because it's late and And and but we're still here. I had to travel today. I apologize. It was a lot of a lot of travel But we're here. We're rock and roll As a word of warning YouTube has been acting really strangely tonight everybody so I do apologize in advance If anything goes a little wonky it took 45 minutes for it to even let me create the stream And then was dropping frames the whole time, but we'll see maybe YouTube's fix now This is what we get folks when we rely on a service that we don't know at any rate What do you want it's free Solution is the solution there to like own YouTube like is that an option? No I'm just saying like what I don't own it. I don't pay for it. It's free. What right do I have to complain? I guess anyway, we're to talk about Maw Tribes tonight and to do that. We've got Brett from Rerolling Ones. What's up, buddy? Hey, how's it going? Oh, oh, we got Jack in the background to special guest star bonus star Jacks in the background. No bone daddies, huh? Yeah Jack has an official message for the Warhammer weekly world Well, that's next week, we'll talk to the bone daddies next week So okay next week then everybody in the in the chat has to come up with their new pitch for whatever they're called Oh, they're both. Oh, you just don't like the name. Oh, no, it's bone. It's definitely bone daddy It's bone daddy's and you need to get on that train the tickets been punched the trains leave in the station You can fight it all you want my friend, but this is what it is Jack. You got to wait until the next new army you got a Coin that quick before somebody sorry man. Yeah, and like that's Vince I hope you all know that like Vince has labeled it bone daddies. It's his fault and it's stuck like Everyone in the like in the what's app chats? It's all bone daddies all the way down See our server it is. Yeah, this one is to be leather daddies that fell and now he had to be a daddy Yeah, daddies is not a thing look this one fits better as I mentioned previously this is for next week show But the their leader is the ultimate daddy. Okay, so I don't tell you it's just how it works, man They are the bone daddies at any rate. This is as I said, it's left the station Jack I'll consult you before we name the next army appreciate At any rate also it's here as always is my own little noblar. It's Tom. What's up? I got an introduction even though you've used nobler before But it's too appropriate show you are my you are my look out noblar Tom Can I be like you're there's your blood? Huffling no whenever there's incoming fire. I just throw you in the way You're my six up mortal wound safe against missile weapons Hey, hey the noblar doesn't die. He's the one that's pointing out the incoming fire Let me point that out. He's the one. He's the one seeing the trouble and pointing it out Well, it fits then. All right, so as I said tonight, we're gonna talk Maw Tribes But first we have like basically no news to talk through so that's exciting I've got the rumor engine up on the screen either it is a double-themed bow for the high elves or it's a weird Zeechie or Elfie horn with two little pieces that have been vigil on the end as someone said no It's that's not what it is. It is clearly The new war mammoth. Oh, yeah, it's not it's way too ornate, but that's insane It's clearly elvish like it has the elvish for four jewels around the the matter That's that's like elves elves and Eldar always do that By the way, it could be 40 a 40k thing easily Eldar do it all the elves They use the same thing where they'll have the four ovular jewels around a circular Or you know like around a cylindrical shape. They do it all the time It's like the most common signifier of elvish stuff So yes, but anyway Brent you got a guess. What do you think you can see it on the screen? I'm good with elves and basically whenever it looks like it might be elves then yeah It might be Eldar and that's something I know nothing about so I think as long as it has pointy ears I think that makes sense. Sure. I want to say for Warhammer Underworlds I think based on like some of the cards people were thinking that one of the Warbands eventually is gonna be Daughters of Cain, but that doesn't look too Gnarly and pointy and spiky to be Daughters of Cain to me So, you know, it's too slaneshy like I wonder if there's a slanesh warband coming that would be cool, too I just want that. I just want that like That ice brow hunter and the frost sabers that were on some of the cars sure because it'd be really cool to get a new Sculpt of both of those things So that's kind of cool. You don't like the current for us sabers That's gonna be a pass we'll talk about that when we get there so that's gonna be part of the discussion And then obviously yes, the reason there's no news is because it's sisters week and you know, so I have news sure. I just want to say the sisters are they didn't do the full I don't even know if it's really a full army reveal But they did a bigger army reveal of a lot more stuff if you're interested in the plastic sisters They are truly like Beyond amazingly gorgeous the new girl and like the flying throne with guns on the bottom is incredible Like everything was was great. So there you go. Yep. Yep. He's kippy. Okay. I Have some real news. I'm ready like some rumor leak news. Oh, there you go. All right. What do we got? So rumor has it That the mid-season update is gonna happen in January so a little later than we thought because we were originally talking December mm-hmm, okay and that our new favorite endless spell May be getting some changes, which is the screaming the full screen bridge And that may involve limiting the number of units that can jump across Okay, he's putting it together right now So hey, hey, hey, I just got my converted dwarf one done. So I get it like I get it But like I was building it as this leak came through And so I was like Yeah, exactly and somebody's like hey Tom they you know GW you must have cameras in your house And I'm like they do it's called Warhammer weekly And they hear me talk about this stuff every week Also, it was showing up in every list ever and it's one You know and people are doing little mathematical things where they show that you can basically move your whole army around every turn in You know so Okay, so it gets pretty good did to less units one so that number sure that may be happening That that may be happening That another rumor is that seraphon is coming in January Track like that's the last big like big low-hanging fruit that hasn't really ever been touched Like obviously we we want to be right inch we want updated KO But seraphon once we have the the STD book next month seraphon is like that's it That's the last ones that haven't really had a real book, right? and then KO and zinchen February there you go, and they're done wrap it up. We'll kill Doug again with another double book release That'll be real fun. No start over. So those are trustworthy sources that likely know what they're talking about Do you know is seraphon maybe gonna be a model release cuz my heard nothing. I heard nothing other than dates sure I Would hope so since they since they're toward the end. I imagine that's because they're not just a I mean they could just be just a book and maybe a scenery piece, but Feel like the delay means maybe there's something else. Yeah, you shouldn't feel that way Look, I mean it like there are there are three realities we can live in so like I just I want to see everybody stop Trying to read the tea leaves on this because I possible to read here There are three potential three potentialities right here We go all future book releases that are any kind of update are shaped something like one of these three things Option the first Skaven Skaven is we give you a book with some kind of either spell or and spells or endless terrain We kill none of the range and just ship the whole thing out with a new book Right, right. That's that's we just push it out the door with a new book That's option the first right. Yeah, okay option. The second is The city's a sigmar treatment where we don't really introduce anything new by the way Maltribes could could potentially fall into this but they had less cut but like where we where we Again, maybe you get a little terrain thing. Maybe you don't maybe get spells Maybe you don't but we cut a bunch of the old garbage and then what's left We send out the door and that's it again nothing new right and then the third option is where is the gets model Right where we cut a little bit of new little bit old and we take a we take a little bit of the old or Medium amount of the old and we just surprise you with a ton of new boingy boy sculpts and that's what you get Those are the three options and like trying to figure out which one they're going to do Mm-hmm. Good luck Yeah, like it's just not happening It could be any of those three and None of them seem to have any sort of predictability There's nothing that different about what the Skaven range had versus what cities had and yet with one of them We kept the whole range and one of them we can 40 scrolls, right? So yeah Now I'm Yeah Yeah, yeah My answer is we'll see time will tell look any kind of new lizard book action by the way The name that I would want to call them when they when they get re-released Which wouldn't stick because I would just want to call them slon because that was their original name The whole army was just called slon sure before they were listening. They were just slon But nobody would nobody would get that jokes. That's just funny to me So we got to think of a new name for them for them probably just call them lizard men and really drive everybody crazy Yes, yes So there you go. Yeah, I mean that'll tracks, right? It feels like the right release schedule Well, and what I would say is that like a lot of people would be like, oh, yeah, that's not Like that like that's just predicting what like is is obvious, but like that's actually coming from sources That's like that's not wish-listing is what I would say Sure, I know I I understand Brent do any of those three armies are they exciting to you? Have you ever been a lizard man player or do you like zinge or are you looking for to get out the the the boats and guns? I have been a failed just about everything player. So do I have Kradren and Seraphon models waiting to be painted or used. Yes, so I'm very interested in all those two and I was playing zinges for a little bit, but then our our buddy Greg is Painting up a lot of zinges right now So I think like by the time that he's done with that if his each book is coming in February Then that's a that's good timing then we won't have to have this moment of like Well, are we gonna be able to get zinges on the channel? Just be like new book. Yes Can actually be timely with with some of our videos, which is kind of hard to do Madness madness No, we like to delay our reviews to like a good three weeks after the book is out I'm kind of hoping the FAQ for the for the bone daddies comes out before we have to do the bone daddy show that way We can have it fully factored in right. It's just like are are they going to FAQ fix that dumb More tech thing that's name. I can't remember because they're all they all have silly names the crawler the not the crawler The the harvester never got there or whatever because as it stands right now I don't know if you've watched people do the mathematical calculations that if you can actually get like three of them or four of them overlapping You need to you need to you need to to make it silly But but but three no can get three overlapping it goes into where you have to deal hundreds of thousands of damage No, no, no, no if you do to you have to do that It's not you do too. It is it is I'll go the math. It's not too It's not you're not correct. Have you seen the animation? Yeah, with ten guys in two likes somebody created animation with two guys like in an automated Yeah, like cycling of it and it was two harvester's in ten ten skeletons and two harvest in ten skeletons The skeletons are unkillable I Don't think whatever we can we can we'll we'll bring it up next week. We'll see if it gets fixed Yes, you feel the harvester's real quick. Yes, like you have to kill the harvester's right. That's the only Don't thank you But you have to physically get to them the problem is that you can put a cloud of skeletons around them So they can only be shot off, right? Because you just continually remove the models that are in the middle of the all the in the harvester cloud Like right and like if you ever cut through those and here and this is why you'll need to you ever cut through those that are in the middle Like it like you only get one roll on the other ones But as soon as you make one of those rolls you replace the ones in the middle And so you get the double rolls again and whenever you roll two in a double roll you replace two models Sure If you if you get because of the way that it's working like if you have a double roll and you're missing two models And you make both rolls you replace two models. Sure. Assuming you're not refilling over the max. Yes Right. Yeah, like you can't refill over the max of course, right? Yeah And yes, I do agree. It does take two to make a thing go, right? So absolutely Emily good call Or or for a thing to go very very wrong if you're a melee only army that has no option to read over the top So oh iron jaws It's like we're gonna talk about mottrabs then right? So them ogres, huh? Oh At any rate any other news Tom? No, we do except we had some of those leaks we No, not really. Yeah, it's a slow week. That's all right. Good. Good. Good. We'll get right into that We'll get right into the meaty goodness At any rate, so let's let's go to some pick of the week. So Brent what do you got man? Okay, so this did not come out Within the week, but I did see it within the week. It's from November 2nd. I think Pete the Wargamer painted up Catacross and he did a really cool color scheme and kind of walked through how he did it where like from the the front sort of the whole Diorama of the piece, you know, it's very dark and gray but then there's like this blue moonlight that he airbrushed behind them and He kind of you know shows it in the 360 and it's kind of cool that he I Don't know that that looking at a model from a different Angle, you know different side then like the color scheme changes quite a bit I hadn't seen something like that and thought that was a cool take on that model, too That like he points out like the games workshop version like it's painted obviously very well But there's there's a lot going on and so his color scheme kind of makes everything look very cohesive on You know this whole diorama of like five different dudes. That's awesome. I'll link to it I oh, hey, I'm never sad to link to a cool paint job. That sounds awesome. Yeah, there's been several Paint job several cool artists who are given that a little early or who picked it up right away and did some good work with it So yes, absolutely Tommy. What do you got? Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna spruke mr. Mephisto's rant cast for those of you guys that have never seen it I Meph is pretty fantastic and In this one that I'm that I'm sprucing he re he does a havoc recap where they Defeated us And it's like poison in Tom's mouth Bryce and Tristan Are on that episode. It's like a two-partner and I just want to encourage you all to check it out So they do they talk about the international escalation league and and some other stuff. So it's it's pretty sweet Yeah, so though it like the two parts together almost like three and a half hours or so So he has a great channel. I'd encourage you you all to to check him out. He's a good dude It was a good episode and they did beat us so victory well-earned all because Tom is bad with his army is basically what I would lay the foot up if I had if I had to just pick I mean All I'm saying is Tom there wasn't many bad guys on my side of the table, I don't know I don't know what's going over on your side and the The only game we lost points. It was a game. You were a part of let me point that out I Was part of four out of the five games Tom, right? I was a part of all of them Well, it's clearly somebody else came in a pinch it for me and brought the same level of quality of the table So I'm glad to hear that Absolutely My pick is a physical thing, but it will relate to a Website which I'll direct you all to which is this this is dreamlands And this comes from Steve foot Who was nice enough to sell me a copy of this and this is absolutely amazing There is a there's a little website on the back, which is footworks.co.uk Which I will send to everybody but this came from This came from his inktober in 2018 and he sketches out a bunch of amazing like Landscapes and boards to interest you for table setups for display boards for like Diarramas for your basing just it's it's amazing how cool a lot of this stuff is it's just so awesome The little worlds he creates some of these would make absolutely amazing display board Someone would just make incredible tables he has all sorts of different scales and sizes of them and like lots of notes to show you You know kind of what the materials would be and how they're all arranged. It's just the coolest thing So I love this. It's absolutely gorgeous. Thank you Steve so much for sending it out to me I will unabashedly probably rip some of these ideas off So thank you for that But there's just there's a lot of really cool stuff here and I'll link to the site where you can go find the book and Support Steve and it's a very cool thing. So there you go That's my pick. All right Gentlemen, let's talk about some hobby time Brent What are you what are you working on? Jack's working on his phone in the background. He's gluing stuff together. I know that. What are you working on? Good on the background. I enjoy it you sitting in the background. You're like the statler and Woldorf in one person Go ahead. I built the mop pot So The discussion today It's a pretty pretty cool kit and I hope everybody if you've taken a look Maybe it like the pictures online or maybe more people need to just make note of this some ogre through three carrots into the people stew And that is the funniest thing about that model to me is that like who's got a foot? Yeah, throw that in there this like head put that in there to an entire chicken. Yes And then one guy's just like I got three carrots and then like dump them in great Well, you know, they got to get their vitamin C. I mean, it's still important Don't get scary. No exactly. That's you know, they can eat anything That doesn't mean they don't also like vegetables there. They're omnivores sure who doesn't love a good carrot now And then you know, it's delicious cook it up. Yeah, it's great. Adds great. It's got a free glutamate probably I don't know that that's true, but that's probably true probably adds a delightful flavor to the stew I'll have to ask my wife or she's still watching she can respond accordingly. I don't know She knows who is like the reading through like the lore in the book It doesn't really talk about them getting their vegetables, but the sculptor here is just like no, no, no, no I know it makes a good soup. Yeah, it's not all meat. I mean like, you know Yes, of course, it's mostly meat, but they got to have a little bit there Yeah, just keeps it interesting. Absolutely. All right, Tom. What about you? What's on your table, man? I I've been working on some dwarves. I'm back on the only only road that I've ever known and so I'm doing stores Here I have some photos. I Have like I literally had hammer models But I did that like the Mohawks weren't going on them nicely. So I just decided to build new hammers And so I I decided I had 50 thunderers new inbox that I weren't using so 20 of them became 20 of them became Hammers, so that happened So my nice KO fire slayer themed dwarf forces continue And I did some endless spell stuff as well for my rune magic Both there's my life swarm there the the vultnut rune, which is the root of the fallen warrior and a I also did where is it? Oh, and then I did my my my my screaming bridge dwarven portals So, yeah, we've been working on those so those look at all that stuff Lord of the Rings online They don't act doors. Oh, well, I mean, I'm sure they look like that. They're from my printable scenery So I printed some like I lowered like the floor of it so that it was like flat And then I they fit perfect on those bases and so they're my portals They're my functionally their dimension door their dwarven dimension doors what that is. Yeah. Yeah, I got it No, it works. I'm just saying like in the in the the starting zone for the dwarves and Lord of the Rings online There's there there are arches and stuff that look exactly like that. So there you go. Awesome. Good. It fits then I Dig it. How did you do the snow too? That's not snow like that's the irony here like these are unprimed So like yeah No, that's just all you're seeing there is you're seeing the like Vallejo Like pumice and lava rock like I do a mix of I don't use dark earth for my lava I use What is it called Basing paste is what he's using. Yeah, I'm sorry the basing the so I use the mix of the rough gray pumice and The rough white pumice and so the gray pumice is the thicker and then the white pumice is the like the more like sharp Sharper actually you don't even see the white pumice on there. That's only gray on that photo. I hadn't put the white on yet I have white on them now, but yeah, it kind of looks like so all that'll get primed over and it will become lava rock Great. I'm glad I said I I really like the paint job in your model and it turns out it's just not not painted Yeah, that's that's literally just materials like Tom. I really like your Well, if you want to know how to do snow I would I would direct you toward hobby cheating. I believe it's 93 which is realistic snow on so there you go That would be I would just call that out. I will I will take that. Yeah, there you go You've helped me before so I trust you Wouldn't lead just right It's something in the early 90s I will admit I don't have all like 200 and X videos memorized right off the top of my head It's so it's in that it's in that zip code. So there you go For myself, I'm going to do a I'm in the middle of a challenge that I'm gonna do this weekend and It will become a hobby cheating video which is I Have 2,000 points of ogres sitting in my airbrush booth I have all the bases for them prepared right here on my desk and I'm gonna paint an army in 24 hours And I'm gonna record and make a video out of that And it's gonna be how to paint an army a 2,000 point army in 24 hours And it's gonna be all the tips and tricks you can use to expedite your painting Which Brent I have seemed to understand from hearing Doug discuss that this could be valuable to you 100% yeah, that's a me and relevant to the army that I currently have Unprimed on my table as well. So there you go. It's help. It'll probably be a while before the video is out unfortunately, but that's okay I won't be done Because I've got to make it record it all and this one will require a fair amount of editing since it's gonna be Recording lots of things over the 24-hour period, but like it'll be clock countdown do the whole thing Also since I didn't have I didn't want to buy anything. This is all ogres I had I had all these ogres because I had bought at the crash back in the crash the great crash of 2015 Um, I had snatched up. I mean, it's a thing. It's a thing. It's a real thing Yeah, it was a great time to be a buyer. Let me tell you what it was a buyer's market, baby So I snapped up an ogre army for I'm gonna say $30. That's a real number. I'll turn to was that guy was gonna light it on fire So right, right, right, so I had that plus I had some existing ogre figs already from something from just from a previous sort Of collection that a friend had had back in the day put that together had 2000 points converted myself a little hunter to add in there And good to go with the battalion and like an extra command point and an endless spell. I'm at 2000 So there you go. I might add some more wolves in the future, but who knows whatever Uh, so the trick is going to be paint that whole thing, but I didn't have the mall pot obviously And I didn't actually have a real slaughter master with the the pot of the back And so that got me thinking like well, I could convert something Or I could have a different theme like instead of just going after meat and that's it And I thought about my old favorite ogre Which was greasest gold tooth or greasiest gold tooth or whatever he was called The dude who wrote around on like a big pile of treasure. Yeah Yeah And I thought about that and I was like, aha, so my ogres are hungry certainly But they're also greedy and so they're going after the gold. They want to get that gold, baby That's what they're for so then like I have increasing amounts of money on the various things So like the managers have their own wealth The other ones don't and then the the slaughter master Who's kind of in charge and the tyrant both have big piles of money on them And so his like reaching into his pot and pulling stuff out is him reaching back behind and pulling out treasure to hand to them And if he pulls out treasure, they don't like then the ogres belt him And that's how that's that's where the mortal wound happens when you roll a one And they get inspired by I have like different types of treasure in the pile like Some real treasure like skulls and stuff or like gold some food Some skulls and weapons and things like that So that way there's lots of fun interesting things he could pull out of there And I thought it would be a fun sort of take on the army there Yeah, have you named this ma tribe yet? No, I haven't or no, however big you you think it is. I'm down if you've got a name for me. I'm good Uh, not yet, but I'll get back to you. I could just call him gold diggers. I suppose Gold teeth Yeah All right So so yeah, it'll be a fun it'll be a fun thing to do And I had I have like a bunch of extra piles of treasure From when I got a bunch of stuff from my slanesh army since I had kind of had that as a theme around the keeper's basis But I still like I got too much because I'm unsure how much I was going to need and uh, yeah So I extra treasure piles and who doesn't love treasure piles always good for a model Uh, anyway, so that's what I was mentioned in the lore like I don't know if you guys have read in the book There is a really good bit that it talks about Of like ogres that are smart enough to figure out that like maybe we shouldn't eat treasure Maybe we can trade this for weapons and food Yeah, there you go. I think that's that's got to be the inspiration for your army I will I will go dig into it and find most of the treasure. Yeah, you still eat a little bit They'll still occasionally eat some gold pieces Like oops. Yeah Yeah, but like that, but I thought that'd be a fun alternate take on the thing then just you know meat everywhere So there you go. Uh, they love gold All right, so, uh That's hobby time gentlemen. Are we ready speaking? Let's just transition right into it. Are we ready to talk some more tribes? We're ready to talk about dem ogres All right So Brent, I want you to kick off and where we're going to start is just with a little 40 000 foot overview as we commonly do Of how you feel about the bit I think I've been waiting for for the moment to get back into ogres after, you know getting smacked in the face, right? uh, so now getting this book and seeing the way that they because I think for like the few years of Age of sigmar like yeah, you've had beast claw raiders, but you haven't had A whole lot of lore behind like what do ogres really do in the mortal realms like they haven't been fully placed there So me being kind of this fan of what they were before and just sort of Going off of that of you know, kind of the their personality and the way that they They're obsessed with eating I think that i'm very satisfied with this book that the way that they have placed ogres back into the mortal realms Uh, there's a lot of stuff that is very similar sort of Like a kind of like a dark humor, you know, it talks about the the ogres Chuckling while they're smashing somebody with a giant hammer. There's a bunch of uh Really gory jokes in this in this new book and that's Maybe what I think is sort of like the new Fun thing is like ogres now in age of sigmar. I think are meaner Than they were in or hammer fantasy and like when age of sigmar started and a lot of people were Thinking that it was trying to be less violent, you know push slanash out of the way I feel like now we've gotten to a point where like no, there's some really dark horrible stuff in this book descriptions of being ground into fine red paste And a tyrant who eats a coradron bomb after eating an entire ship and explodes all over His troops like this book is gross. They're drinking blood. They're slashing throats. It is some splatter horror genre Madness in this book and then the next part is I've only played one game with the book But it felt like I wanted it to feel um, I'm not a I'm not a great competitive player so I don't know that I can really speak to You know, how does this appeal to everybody but games workshops objective, you know, they talk about this in interviews Is there's a lot of different types of players that they want to appeal to so if I'm saying that I am more of a I want to Paint up some models put it on the the board and have some idea of like how do I want to try and win this game? You know still coming up with combos is Uh, is is rewarding I had really fun or a lot of fun in the game yesterday particularly. I want to mention Uh, the gulping bite rule that has been added to Uh, pretty much all the gut busters. Yeah, it just looks like an extra three three attack, but one of my lead builders killed a A gyrocopter with the gulping bite And I that was just so fun. It's like he just ate a helicopter And that's that's a good video. I was like, okay, this I'm I'm digging this book now. Nice. Nice. Yeah, that's kind of my No, let's get over it. Impression. Yeah, what do you guys think? I like it. Tommy, what about yourself? Um, I I like the book. Um, I think that it is uh, I think it's going to fill an interesting niche in the uh competitive world Um, I don't know if it it will I don't know if it'll sit on like it's not slash Um, but I think it's balanced and I think that they're going to bring competitive things And I think that they're going to smash some people off the table if they're not prepared Like you can't look at ogres and be like that's you know, like Like no you look at ogres and go ash, you know, like sure like there's there's there's meat here and I and there's There are good tools But it's again, it's not over the top and it plays like you want it to you push things forward and you hit it real hard in the face um And like even a lot of armies that I would play which are traditionally like Uh, a lot more defensive based um, like yes, some of the high armor stuff is going to bounce Uh, like like big bowl units or not bowl units big, uh Um, uh glutton units, um, but at the same time There's they also like if they build well, they have the tools to deal with high armor targets um, and so Um, I like the book. I think it's balanced and I think that a well-built armies are going to good are going to do really well Yeah, I think my read on it has been well Obviously, I liked it enough to do a little army of it is a fun little hobby challenge for myself It'll just be nice to have an extra army that players can come over in my club, you know Are playing with us can use um, but I think that all in all It has some fundamentals that are very strong The might as right rule made it very like handled most of the objective problem The or as it should have been called large and in charge, but whatever that's okay. I'm not I'm not Who's who's splitting hairs, right? um The like it is an army of high wounds decent accuracy High, you know multi damage Stuff it pretty easily Especially if you lean more toward the gut buster side We'll put an outrageously high number of wounds on the table, which is always challenging like even in the modern world of of Uh, of war ranger sigmar where there are highly offensive armies that can deal a lot of damage The fact that you can pretty easily in a 2k army get like 180 to 200 plus wounds on the table Is just a lot for some armies to deal with on its own Right, I mean we'll we'll talk about this, but part of the key here is not that like It's the efficiency of those wounds And what I mean by that is because like yeah, maybe a really high damage unit can come in and like take a lot of models off right But they're still going to hit back and when they hit back Like a lot of those armies that can really dish the damage can't take the damage sure Yeah, I mean you're looking at a book that has an option where you get 48 wounds for 400 points Right. I mean that's that's the real math on there. That's that's a pretty great wound to point ratio, right? um and Or if you like you can get 48 for 48 with a shooting option, right? So like that's that's also another potentiality Uh, I think that that it does lack some tools like that is to say you look at the book There's no like teleport or summoning or stuff like that things that some other armies have No, that's not to say you couldn't get it through you can't get a teleport through some Means like you know bringing in bridge or something like that sure fine Um, so it's not like those tools are unreachable by you anymore, but it's just that that kind of stuff isn't there what's really interesting to me about the book and looking over it is that It feels very much like they addressed about half of what I thought should be addressed Like half of it. They got really right And half of it just feels like they didn't touch it enough. It's weird to explain like there are just some glaring Holes in this book. I think there's a higher percentage in this book of usable units Than in a lot of other Books frankly that have come out in even in recent times Like people look at scaven all the time, but there's a lot of whiffs in that book There's a lot of you just if you're going by like raw unit scaven's undoubtedly powerful army. I'm not arguing that. It's super powerful But there's like But there's a lot of units in that book that just don't do anything that just you don't generally see on competitive tables I think the percentage overall here is higher But it's also tilted towards one historical half of the army That is to say I do think on the whole like if you just look at it like gut busters versus bcr If you think about it in that kind of a dichotomy I think the gut side of this came out a lot stronger overall That doesn't mean that bcr has zero interesting options. I don't think that for a moment I just think that in on the whole It feels like more of the right stuff was touched in gut busters than was touched in bcr And they didn't address all the fundamental issues they could have so Yeah, I wonder if that comes from having a book before you know like because they had the beast collerader book Gut busters. Yeah, they had war scrolls, but they're almost sort of starting from scratch I don't know if that maybe had something to do with it Yeah, maybe like they felt like there was a bit of a sunk cost where they just kind of started with like They basically said We should try to play more to the historical of it or or maybe they didn't approach it with as much innovation in their mind Right because they already had some kind of anchoring You know game design conception could be I don't know like overall I think this is a good book and I think this book will live in the fat middle By the way, I mean, yeah, if there's ever a book that deserve to be in the fat middle It's this one But I think this will absolutely live in the fat middle it can do an explosive amount of damage It can be incredibly overwhelming for armies that aren't prepared by it It can be quite resistant to alpha strikes. It can hit back very hard. It can like it can beta punch very strong So, yeah, I like and and it can also like if you get bodies If you get the right bodies aren't objective It can be very very very difficult to shift. So Yeah, there we go All right, so how we're going to break through this gentleman Is I actually want to start instead of starting with like the artifacts And the command traits and going in order all that kind of stuff I want to start with the general legions rules just I'm going to lay those out quickly So we're all on the page. So our viewers all understand what they are Okay And then we're going to talk about the mall pot a little bit and it's sort of limitations And then we're just going to go right into the tribes All right, everybody's fair with that Okay Cool beans. So let's start with just our our base things. So we understand this is how ogres work One trampling charge If you have a ogre or rhinox unit After you make a charge move you can pick one enemy within one inch of this unit And roll a number of dice equal to the unmodified charge roll unmodified very important meaning like cogs isn't bonus it and stuff like that And of the charge move You add two to each roll If the ogre unit that it made the charge move has eight or more models or is a monster So like your frost load on stone horn, for example would add plus two a unit of eight or 10 or 12 Or sorry eight or 12 Or nine or whatever the numbers are a unit of 12 Gluttons is going to roll and get these on four ups for every six plus you deal a mortal wound four plus if you're in the better situation great Grasp of the ever winter At the start of your hero phase you roll a die for each enemy unit within three inches of any friendly beast claw raider units If the roll is equal to or less than the current battle round that unit suffers d3 mortal wounds So obviously a higher chance of that procking as you get later in the game and doesn't do very much at all in the beginning Might makes right the most important roll the ogres got when determining control of an objective Each ogre unit counts as two models and each ogre monster counts as 10 Okay cool cool And then they have a nice little designers notes. I just want I like to call these out every time I see them Absolutely wonderful Please keep including these more of this. Yes great. Well done. Okay So yeah, that's good stuff Then ravenous brutes Ogres are either hungry or eating wonderfully designed rule I love stuff like this if they're more than three inches from the enemy They're hungry and add two inches to their move if they're within three inches Add two to the bravery is simple enough They have prayers on a very very overtly expensive priest that probably isn't going to be played very much A little bit of a miss there. We'll talk about that more And then obviously they have the They have the maw tribes themselves As well, they start with a big old maw pot. That's what you talked about building Brent so Let's talk about that pot So to great maw pot Let's talk about your experience at the pot the pot. Yeah, what was your experience on the pot? Yeah, so the great I had a tyrant and a Frost lord on a stone horn the frost lord on the stone horn was destroyed In the first turn by dark shards and the tyrant ran away fighting a steam tank, so Yeah, I didn't use the maw pot, right But put your model forthcoming. Hopefully Uh, it at least looked cool. Uh, what I so what I thought Would have been really nice. What what I used three units of two lead belchers And I'm kind of thinking I want to try maybe more of Like it's it's we talked about, you know, it's nice to have a big unit of gluttons that you know can Lose four of them take 16 damage and you still have a bunch of guys to fight back, right? But I also want to see maybe what lots of small units can do and something like the maw pot healing d3 wounds to every Ogre unit holy within 36 is pretty awesome. Like I Think I only lost one love belcher the unit of two guys, but like All the units had just a couple wounds on them and maybe some heroes do I think that would be pretty cool if I uh actually did that correctly Yeah, it's the classic ogre darts like back in the day we used to call them ogre darts, right? Like in age edition, this was a very common chap when you have the little ogre ogre dart units. Yep It's back. It's back again. Yeah, the lead belchers are very interesting little darts like eight wounds for 80 points With a decent move when they're hungry because they go up to eight inches. Yeah, that's I agree A little bit of a shooting attack that doesn't do much But it's fine. You just look at it as a bonus on their melee because you just charge them in and fight in melee And they're still ogres doom and darkness has a wonderful Breakdown of like like I would highly recommend anybody who's watching this who hasn't watched doom's review To go watch that because he has a wonderful breakdown in this video talking about the the sort of comparative math of lead belchers and gluttons and it's it's interesting Nice. All right. So let's talk about that that maw pot Uh after territories have been chosen but before armies are set up you can set up the great maw pot Anywhere on the battlefield more than one inch from any other terrain features More than 12 inches from enemy territory and more than six inches from any objectives Okay So this becomes an interestingly challenging piece to set up, right? Because if you're on one of the battle plans where the two territories meet Like let's consider the traditional split half down the middle, right? And you've got an objective basically somewhere near your line Like because that can often happen if you've got sort of any one of those things You could be your maw pot could end up being buried way back in your way way way way back, right Heaven forbid there's terrain on the table sure I mean you know if you want inch away But still yes, I understand the six inches from objectives is actually a really big deal Like that's a heck of a distance from objectives on some of the things. I think of stuff like um You know like scorched earth or something right where you have a higher number of objectives Like that really starts to limit you um on the It's interesting in battle plans where you have where the enemy territory doesn't meet your territory where the enemy territory is quite restricted Because then maybe it could be farther out Sometimes but like the point is is that in most cases this thing is not going to be very far forward It's often going to be buried like burrowed back into your deployment bird bird Buried yes, I was I was waffling there between the two words Uh, and and that can be challenging because there are lots of benefits to just standing around this thing But the reality is you're probably not going to want to just stand around this thing right Yeah, I mean when you eat the what the battle broth is Within six inches, which is nice. You don't have to be wholly within It at least gives you a little bit of room that like if another hero is moving forward. Maybe you can still Serve dinner. Yeah, I'll tell me. Let me let me talk about the rules real quick, tom And then go ahead. So just so we all understand the scenery rules of this thing So it adds one to casting and unbinding roles Uh for ogre wizards. Did anybody else think it's weird that it didn't add to dispelling? It's yeah It's just casting and unbinding But not dispelling So I just thought that was strange most updated things mentioned dispelling as well But this one doesn't add to dispelling now There are other things you can take with your butchers to add to dispelling, but this one doesn't On point And let's there you go. So, um, I mean ogre The the ogres have some pretty interesting ways to deal with them the spells, but nonetheless this one This isn't one of them Uh, so one to casting roles Which is cool because a lot of their spells are a little bit higher casting than you would want And then yes, you mentioned battle broth already So a great maw pot is said to be either full or empty the start of the battle It is full if you're in your hero phase one friendly ogre hero within six inches of the great maw pot Can spend all of the great maw pots magic if you do so you can heal d3 wounds allocated to each friendly ogre unit Holy within 36 inches of the maw pot, which I mean admittedly even if it's you know back in your deployment zone Is still quite a bit of the board Roll separately for each unit once the great maw pots magic has been spent it is empty And then if an enemy model is slain within six inches of an empty great maw pot from your army It becomes full which is unlike like if you get alpha struck. That's cool. You you might be able to refill it But um, or if somebody really is pushing deep in but it's not going to be common that that's happening So that was just cool added rule Yeah Sematic rule sure it's fine. There's nothing wrong with it. I just don't want people thinking that it's going to be something You're probably regular time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's not like this is a thing that's going to be happening a lot So just just want to make sure people's expectations are set accordingly That's all yeah, I mean what I'll say is this like yes, it has to be six inches But like butcher bases are either 40 or like 105 Millimeters yeah, yeah, yeah So like a butcher like a slaughter master could could like control an objective Um And still be on it. It's still be within one inch for the plus one cast Like that's not outside the realm of possibility. Sure. Sure. Yeah, and a lot of the objectives are like models within six inches so like you could still like you could still access it and Be contesting an objective Um, and it's going to in it like it's big enough that it can actually create a choke point as well so um I don't know like I I'm not I I know that like Uh talking with folks. It's some folks are pretty down on what this is going to do At its size. Um, I don't know. I think that there's I'm not as negative. Let me say that about the the mall bot I think that there's gas there It's fine. It's fine. You know, it's it's fine Right, right, and I think that's an accurate statement It's it's I really have to play with to know like for me Like all this like all the spells I think are all 18 inches or holy within for like the buff spells So, yeah, it's just playing some games and figuring out like and I mean am I still going to be able to take advantage of the plus one to cast And still have you know, my units holy within 18 that seems kind of hard, but Maybe we'll find out. Yeah. I mean, it's not the like It's not the bone daddy terrain piece, right? Like that's a very That's a pretty different sort of beast Um, but whatever that's fine Uh, you can shake your head all you want jack. It's like I said, it's happening man. Get on board, baby Can't stop it. Yeah This is the train in grand theft auto five. You can't stop it. All right. It will blow anything up Uh at any rate So, uh Let's let's now talk about the tribes because that's obviously the last thing This one has this book has our our tribe chamber Enclave whatever we want to call them, you know that that sort of thing where we're replacing the standard stuff And uh, and there are basically Uh three for there's more gut busters leaning side and three for the more bcr leaning side. So okay, cool So let's let's frame these up Uh Brent I'm not gonna do this in any order Which one do you want to talk about which tribe do you want to talk about because I don't think they're all good And I'm not gonna waste time on some of them. Like I want to talk about the ones we find compelling and interesting Uh, I'm not going to talk about the one that I think is the best. All right So I'm gonna have the one that I think is Cool, which is one that I am not going to be playing because I don't have the models for it But that is boulder head. Uh, I think that is the coolest Beast claw raider focused one and even though that you know when they say that they're just like Yeah, these are beast claw raider focus some of those like winter bite like would be fine for other ogres But boulder head is just like no, this is The monster mash list that people hated in like original early age of sigmar It can go on youtube and find like many war gaming videos in the comments are like beast claw raiders overpowered Like that was just taking True Laugh about that right but like back then. Yeah, that was like they were Pretty awesome. And I feel like if you have that collection then boulder head is for you and Uh, we talked about this maybe a little bit before the stream But yeah, we'll have to talk about what would you say he's called the murder horn now? Was that what it was called at this? I believe murder. Yeah murder. Okay. Uh, yeah, this this pretty fun combo that uh, we talked about on our ogre ma tribe's preview video that we did and What so you got the the frost lord on the stone horn you're starting with that? And I phrased it as like wouldn't it be cool if the stone horn didn't hit on fours? Uh, there's a mount trait called black clatter horn, which adds plus one to hit for the stone horn for His uh, his horn attack. So he's hitting on threes. But then in boulder head, uh, there is an artifact That is pretty unique called brand of the svard Which is if the bear has a mount add one to hit rolls for attacks made with that mounts melee weapons. I think that's cool because like Uh artifacts, you know, like they don't affect mounts, but in this case, it's like it's saying no, this is Specifically four mounts. I think that's a nice change up and is thematic that like this is an this is a uh Ma tribe of a bunch of guys mounted on stone horns and thunder tusks so what then you've got you're hitting on twos with the horns and You're hitting on twos with his hooves as well And when we talk about then he charges you're getting plus one Damage and then you also pointed out then the molten entrails spell you can give a monster another plus one damage So you can have a stone horn that charges and then that's after doing the trampling charge damage, which is already Uh, if you're rolling your charge damage, let's like I want to walk through this because it is an interesting setup So you charge and you're going to do your charge You're going to roll your dice in your charge distance and every four plus because he has a monster He's going to be a mortal wound and then he hits and exactly right like the dude on top does whatever whatever, but then he has to beast He's just like Oh, yeah So if he's at full health six attacks with those horns hitting on twos Uh, wounding on threes to rend and they're five damage if you got all of those Like in the charge and the spell That's hilarious. Yeah And then the hooves are what d six attacks on twos and twos neg one D three plus two on the charge. Is that right? Yeah No, uh, so also so that's fun, but then For boulder head as well the command trait lord of beasts is appropriately named friendly boulder head monsters That are holy within 12 of this general at the start of the moon phase move an extra inch when they make normal move that phase Sure, uh, but then the ability add for boulder head add one to the wounds characteristic of all the monsters And you can take more uh multiple mount traits usually only get one and then an additional one for a Or scroll battalion, but in this case if you have You know if you have two three heroes mounted on stone horns and thunder tusks. They all get mount traits cool Yeah, oh and the command ability is cool, too So that that's another thing is I feel like a lot of times when they have these like sub factions You're like, oh that item is really good. So that's why this command ability is really bad like they have to balance it out, but really like These collaborator monsters benefit from all of these so then the command ability is good, too because then Uh, you can use the top row of the damage table So even if your stone horn is down to a single wound use this command ability and then he's back up to Six attacks with the horns again Yeah, or moving his full move right because that's obviously the other big challenge is these guys because you can use it at the start of any phase And and obviously the big limitation with these guys They get real real slow when they get wounded and like even retreating out of combat might be impossible Or like actually going and moving across the board to get or threaten an objective But the fact that if you've got a couple command points, you could just keep doing it You could pound it to make him move real far then charge Then pound it to make him fight on the higher one on the higher chart Like it's a it is a really useful command ability I agree like nothing in this is bad the deadly hail Which is clearly just thrown in there as extra is completely forgettable and who cares The like it's just irrelevant because we'll we'll talk about why frost or why um cost guards on Yeah, why prayers are disappointing later on but But like so who cares there? It's clearly a bonus ability Most things like this don't have that many abilities So if you just if that one was just the ipsum lorem text, it would still be it would still be a fine Uh thing because I agree like the weakest is probably your command rate Certainly, that's not amazing like just an extra you're already moving 14 at the beginning Right like okay, but sure extra move it the movement wins games movement's never bad So i'm not gonna like completely poo poo it but it's like it is It is as minimally interesting as you can get right, but it's okay You just cross the line. You're like 50.1% good, but fine Uh, but yes, I agree like boulder head solid the murder horn is really good. You can also Make interesting like because you can take the the multiple mount traits in this Because everybody gets one it does also and they all have to be different Yeah, I'll have to be different, but it opens up like the crunch horn as well Right, right. Um, so like you can have one that's a murder horn and one that's a crunch horn So while you mentioned the the murder horn, we showed how that guy stacks out and that's your super offensive one, right? um Not that the crunch horn is not offensive, but the because it is but the crunch horn, I suppose is offensive in a different way Um, so there's another mount trait called metal cruncher And at the start of the combat phase pick one enemy war machine, which is hilarious Or one enemy unit with a save characteristic of four plus three plus or two plus now Let me just say by the way poor ko because you know, it's gonna come Soon and they're gonna be all happy about their ships and those ships are gonna get crunched Those ships are gonna get metal crunched. Yeah. Um, like and a lot of units in the game By the way have a four up save like it's it's not that uncommon not the ones you want like hearthgar berserkers or plague bearers or um daughters uh daughters of kane or You know, I could go on Not the ones you want, but a lot of them do have a four There are a lot of four plus our armor saves floating around in this game It is not an uncommon save like we're not talking about just the highest armored people at any rate That enemy this is happening at the start of the combat phase Which I like and that enemy unit immediately suffers d6 mortal wounds So this can be great because you charge you hit you do mortal wounds You're trampling charge and then you activate metal cruncher you do d6 mortal wounds because of your Because of your metal cruncher. So it's just it's great You can really mortal wound the heck out of people with this kind of with this kind of thing And then obviously that guy could have other stuff on him as well If you happen to have some kind of battalion he could be like you're ethereal dude That's meant to get stuck in and grind or something like that And that would be perfectly fine. So, you know, if you have if you can fit two frost lords in I think that's a perfectly viable build in in there. Is it like ultra competitive? I'm not gonna say that But would it be super fun to have those two those two ridiculous monster trucks driving around Crunching units and like absolutely blowing up because ideally what you want to do is you want to drive the cruncher when Into the more anvil units and just slowly wear them down and you want to drive the The the murderer into the into the weaker units and just blow them up, right? The weaker save units the more hammer units and I will say that uh that like ethereal metal crunching uh Stonehorn is rather hard to kill At the tournament in that game that you're referencing. I had a keeper of secrets Uh jump into one Uh, she piled in like three wounds Yeah on her she only got one pylon because it took her like her second pylon to get to the the murder horn But no, she only did two she did two wounds total between his ethereal and his uh five up save And and then he punched her out of existence Is true, but then the mask came in and did like four wounds with her little double dance The mask was in there poking you gotta get again. That's what you want. You just want weight of attacks She's poking them Round about noon when your appetite's poking at you poking at you. So Uh Yeah, it's such good builds. I agree. I like the boulder head. I agree brent. I think this is fun stuff Anything else you got on boulder head anything else you want to call out or listeners Do we do we like any of the? Thunder tusk mount trades I see there's one that I think is their only access to like an always strikes last ability the Alvager ancient this model not made a large move in the same turn and mutants that were within three of this model Uh at the start of the combat phase fight at the end of that combat phase That is obviously not as good as lots of other armies abilities to make you go last slanash, sure, uh, but I think this is maybe the Like if if you were playing boulder head and you took uh a hero on a thunder tusk, maybe that should be take I don't know Yeah, so no, it's a good point Tom, what do you think about alvegar ancient? You're absolutely right. Like it's it's absolutely interesting and by the way, I think it's actually The only interesting one in this In this thing, maybe I think yeah, uh the units too, right? I think it's it's I mean what I'll say is this it's a tech piece All enemy units. It's all in me. It's in three. Yeah. Yeah, so it gives you a really interesting tech piece Um, and I fit and I do like it Um, you know, if you put that stone or if you put like one of those behind like four iron you met thunder tusk I know she meant. Oh, sorry. You put that thunder tusk behind like four iron guts Um, you're not going to shift that that clump of units. Sure Because what's going to happen is you're going to come in on those those thunder guts and get within that always strikes last Dora and then blow up Uh Yeah, like so what I would say is that I think that there's Um, I think that it's a really interesting tech tech piece I agree with that in principle. It's the most interesting tech piece that has no place in any list Sure I don't disagree with that statement It's two so so let me say this if that oral was six inches instead of three you'd make more room for it Okay. Yeah, that's actually the biggest deal in the world Um, they have to be in combat with it. Yes Uh Secondly, it's a very expensive piece that doesn't do much else on its own Like neither version of this thing this thunder tusk thing in in the hero, right? Because that's to be the hero mounted so we're not talking about just the the random dudes Uh, neither hero version of this thing actually do much of anything Um, sure. They don't have a defined role the priest version is like Okay, I guess the frost lord is just a worse melee guy like that's just I don't know what you're doing there the Priest guy at least he's a priest But he's a very easy to kill priest like sure The it's not a very tough model um and You're like really opening this dude up to just getting blown right off the table and then like Okay, great delay there Yeah, uh So really if You if your heart is set on taking a hero on the thunder tusk and you didn't take a hero on the stone horn Then this is this is the trait you get Sure. Yeah, let me like I'll say I don't when I say it's like It's the coolest combo that probably just there's no room for there's lots of heroes like this where you look at them and you go Yeah, that's good or it does a cool thing or I like it, but in the end it's just actually Not gonna fit in any lists because it's non functional because it's a cool trick on a weak model Like the thunder tusk doesn't do any actual damage in melee He doesn't really do any damage shooting anymore because his frost reathed ice is weak now, right? in a lot of cases and his prayers are Frankly kind of underwhelming like for what you can get out of them So It's just like I could you look at that 340 points that that husk guard on on thunder tusk was and you go Man, that's 60 points away from 48 wounds of ogres And in what universe is that? Uh In what universe is that a good trade right like it's just It just doesn't work mathematically unfortunately like I wish it did But it doesn't uh In the future, maybe. Uh, yeah, we'll see Yeah, I mean a 12 wound shooting monster that doesn't shoot well that has no melee power and has unreliable prayers For 340 points Could use a drop Yeah, even with its really cool trick by the way the the problem with that other That cool trick of making people strike last is like, yes, it's great If you can get the perfect situation tom talks about set up where you've got like the iron guts and you You park this dude right in the middle and it's it's this wonderful objective sitter And then everybody just goes and takes the other objectives that aren't him Yeah, right like oh, it's true. It's true. I mean what I would say is this I think that it is a solid 260 point unit sure sure sure. Yeah, maybe yeah if it was like dropped way down Yeah, yeah, I'll buy that maybe 260 maybe even 240. Yeah, okay. I'm in for that Yeah, I think 240 because he is a hero like he has a hero keyword. Yeah, and so So like 260 I think is the right number like 260 280 like at that I'd be like, okay, you know, I can fit him in You know, like that's an interesting but like 340 That's a pass. Yeah It's gonna be a pass for me dog. It's gonna be a pass. All right, so cool um, you know, I as an aside I'm just gonna say this one more time like I have the book over here. I'm looking at my digital version and and uh Just one more time. I hate the place when a path to glory. Why do we place path to glory where we place path to glory? Can we please put it anywhere else in the book? It happens. It's been happening every time for years. It's just the worst Please stop it. Yeah, it's an allegiance ability. Wait. No, please stop putting path to glory where you put it I have no problem with path to glory as a concept. It's perfectly fine fun thing Please stop putting it in the middle of my rules that I care about. Thank you. Okay Uh, so anyway, like just put it at the very beginning or very end Good lord. All right, so Let's keep talking. So tommy, what do you got? What's your what's your tribal pick? Uh, I mean, I'm gonna go blood goal it every day in tuesday. It's the best one Like I like I because the problem is this it's not that it's the best even though it is Instead it's do cool It's it's doing everything I want it to do Right like that's one of the differences here is that like Um So like Yes, the ability the base ability is you know an extra spell and you cast an extra spell on all your butchers Hello, so which is your butchers water masters, by the way, just to clarify right there. Yes, because it's a the butcher keyword Yeah, um, so it's kind of like hollow heart without the crazy cast bonus um and Tom Are you telling me it's basically hollow heart? No, like it's basically a time walk Yeah, it's basically like it's like that like it's basically we could we could say this it's not basically hollow heart but we could say The rest is ipsum lorem text sure and you'd still have my attention. Yeah, right just for double casters Sure, just for a double caster in an army that doesn't have a lot of tools in this area. That's the key Right Like that this is actually strengthening an area that they're not strong in Yeah, sure Um ends in spell casting like they they hit really hard. You don't really need them to hit really hard more hard Right like you could but I like harder. No more hard. Um But at the end of the day, uh, so it's strengthening an area that that the army is not real strong in which I like doing that Um, and then the command ability is basically Then strengthening the thing that I want to run anyways, which is a whole bunch of books So it's like doing everything I want it to do And running how I want it to run which is pairing up one of these gluttons who are like buffing wizards With a command ability that they're gonna run with the gluttons and buff the gluttons Like it's just it's like it's all super intuitive. Um The uh The I the command trait, uh, I like piling in 40 millimeter bases three more inches Oh, sure, right the drop of the red stuff Right, right like I'm gonna throw my general up forward already He's probably gonna be a butcher And he's gonna push deeper, you know, like he's gonna let one of those you ogre, you know, it's piling six and that's pretty good Uh, and then finally the artifact of power is I'll splash them healing. I mean, it's okay Sure, like they're they're all multi wound models And it's just it's doing more of what you want to do anyway. So like I look at this and there's no like There's nothing bad here Mm-hmm And it's fairly spread out two of them are increasing the offense One is increasing the durability and one is increasing utility like it's doing everything that I kind of want it to do Um, josh, uh in the comments said that yes, there's no spell bonus at all. That's actually not true That's what the terrain does Yeah, sure. But I mean, but it's not intuitive. It's a terrain doesn't travel I agree with josh because look, let's let's let me sketch an alternate world for you here as well I agree with everything you're saying about blood gullet. By the way, I think it is the strongest faction Uh tribe whatever But let me sketch an alternate world. Let's imagine that the blood gullet artifact list Okay, there's right not the artifact list. Let's imagine just the regular butcher artifact list Because there is a battalion by the way that goes very well with this. So we'll we'll talk about that So you'll frequently have two magic items Let's imagine that there is an artifact on there that just is like your classic what a lot of people have Add one to this caster's casting unbinding into spelling rules Sure. Is that your go-to artifact most of the time? Yes I agree And that's the thing that's lacking like again, that's not a killer It's not an absolute like it doesn't make it unplayable or bad or something. It's just like oh man You know, there's like so many books have gotten that thing that throw away thing All the orcs have some version of that Right. Why don't the ogres have some version of that thing? I mean they have a they have a they have good methods. They have a terrain piece Sure, sure I would point out that skaven have a terrain piece that do that too in three different places on the board And have an artifact that do that. So just saying Yeah, but that's skaven. I mean not everybody. You're right. They are the best all all all neil before the vermin is horde at any rate uh So there you go Now maybe it's kind of cool that the thing that we would Absolutely default to it's kind of cool that we don't have it. Maybe I mean sure that's I'm that type of player. I'm I'm that person. It's also the classic game Yeah, if you make anything that's an auto include or an auto choice It's kind of you may you might be making some bad design. So sure Sure, like I think that I like I again, I like blood gala like everything that it's doing And it's letting me build the way that I want to build sure Do you want to talk about the battalion that's going to go with this as well? Sure, we can we can talk a little about their battalions because I actually think that they have Decent battalions that's I'm going to go so far as to say Decent Uh, especially the gut buster side. We'll talk about the vcr side in a moment and why their battalions. Yeah Make me make make me sad I mean, let me say this like one thing that this actually does is that like there's two battalions that go well here One is good and one is bad but regardless But regardless they actually have two battalions that you could pretty easily enter like move in between the two And the one that we're going to care about today is called gore man Um, and what gore man does is it's a slaughter master, which is the guy like that's dragging the cauldron behind him One to three units of lead belchers one to three units of glutons and a unit of iron guts Um, which is like most of your army. Yeah I mean one of the things I do really like about this is this army can go very low drop And I'm actually like really low drop. Yeah, I'm fascinated by the variability of some of their This this army does have the potential to use multiple battalions. That's certainly on the table It's got the potential to be low drop and their battalions are nicely flexible This is basically what we were asking for when we did the review of the city's battalions And complained that they were way too on rails Right where it was like three units of this thing you didn't want to take anyways Whereas this it's like no, I would probably take this stuff anyways. I'm good Right and I can I can take those lead belchers in like twos right or in like blocks of six Right, like I I you can you can be flexible and you're not going to do that But like you can be flexible with With this and you can fit most of your army in one of these or you could mix it up and do a couple battalions Right, so like I just I like uh, I and then anyways So yes, I agree the battalion like imagine if the like the storm cast battalions were like this How different of a book in a meta would we have if storm cast actually had battalions that had this range of like unit inclusions sure Yeah, um, but but they don't um regardless so But the what this one does though is also useful Right, which is the slaughter master who's going to reach into that cauldron for that juicy juicy plus one to hit um Can reach in twice Yeah, which is great like that's super duper duper duper good. It's super duper good I was already sold on Not having three units of two lead belchers count toward my drops. I was pretty excited about yeah, yeah, exactly Like we mentioned the lead belcher darts earlier This battalion handles the lead belcher darts super well, right? Like you can have your big unit of gluttons Maybe two you can have your belcher darts and a four of iron guts and your slaughter master to lead it There's most of your army in one drop Bing bang boom with a good ability all at a pretty reasonable price, by the way Like their battalions are they they've finally gotten battalions. I think to where like they're not Insanely priced like 140 feels Yeah, okay. I I mean it feels good on sometimes sometimes it feels fine. Yeah I mean no, I think on this one that feels about right like it's a good ability a good unit mix for the majority of my army Yeah, that feels like it's pretty much in the right place. So okay, cool. I'm down with that Like I totally agree. I don't mind that at all Go ahead quick Brent Oh, I just said me too. Yeah, okay I also like the gormand. Yes. Now, you know, it's funny because it's Your other choice here the one I think you were referencing tom is probably the the butcher's band, right? Which is the all that's the same thing But with a butcher at the lead and because this this isn't bolded, right? So this is either like literally slaughter master or the butcher. It's not keyworded Um, and like it's the exact same spread of units Right with just a less good a different hero. Yeah a different hero and a less good ability, right So there's not much competition there. However, I don't hate the other two by the buy in here I don't love them, but I don't hate them either So like the tyrants guard which is one tyrant one to three units of iron guts and zero to two iron blasters um, we and its ability is basically like Guard the tyrant guard the tyrant. Yeah, every time the tyrant takes wounds It gives him a four up shrug and it passes off to the iron guts. Okay, fine. That's fine, which I mean, it's fine, but like And how many points is that I rather just get another tyrant sure it's 120 points But it could be like is the tyrant worth protecting Probably not But I I actually that my my only flaw with the tyrants guard actually has nothing to do with that and has more to do with the fact that it's not zero to three iron blasters Because if it was zero to three I would love it for under guts Yeah, yeah, right. I don't Yeah, that's that's its actual limitation like its ability is whatever whatever You know fine and by the way the tyrants got guards like 120 So it is actually a slightly cheaper battalion as well. So okay fine Um, and then the junk mob which I like the junk mob. It's fine enough. It's it's a goofy little fun thing Jack is doing are you doing costume changes? Oh, no, this is josh. Oh, I'm sorry josh He gives his heads on top. Yeah, it's cutting off your head. I'm sorry Right there and I just had to show that the seahawks beat the 49ers. Oh my night football baby. Hey, oh, yeah Hey Vince you the best, baby. Thank you, sir. I love tom's ideas on them armies. He's great You know, I can't come in and put him on blast More guest stars. This is awesome. This is great. I love it. I love it, buddy Uh So I I uh, I like the junk mob too. It's fun enough for sort of silly armies I don't think it's super competitive, but it's nice that if you want to use screens of noblars It only has attacks in the one scrap launcher. You've got to take But I I'm calling bowl. I don't hate scrap launchers. Okay. Well, you're pretty alone in that but all right I'm interested. Tell me why you don't hate scrap launchers Because it's a 120 point unit that has a chance to do 3d6 damage Okay All right. I mean more I mean like Yeah, yes, but like it's three shots at 36 inches. Well four reason for us, right? Yeah, fours if you're in junk mom Um threes and fours which you can bonus that there are lots of bonus thing things, right? Okay, and it does against units of 10 or more models. It does the d6 damage. No, it makes d6 attacks Okay, never mind just kidding No changed your mind on that real fast. Yeah, it's you get one to hit so it hits on twos, which is cool That's fine. And it it makes d6 attacks instead with your piles of old scrap No, no, no, no, no add one to hit rolls and increase the damage characteristic to d6 for attacks made with piles No, it increases the damage d6. You're right. I did read. Ha ha so it goes twos and fours twos and fours d6 damage So in junk mobs, it's four attacks with on twos and fours Doing d6 of pop you drop that into witches That's not that's not bad for 120 points where where'd you get the twos to hit? He gets because I want to hit on the scroll if it's if it's targeting a unit of 10 or more right and so like like it I mean like For 120. It's not bad. That's what I'm gonna say. All right fair enough. Well, there you go So, I mean the point is at least you do have a battalion this can fit into it, right? I And that nobler unit better be 60 noblars sure like as as high body chaff units the noblars are I think they're the cheapest models in the game, right? Because 60 noblars is 270 points At that 60 is anything Uh, what what are what are scaven? What are clan rats again for 40 to 200? You can't have 60 of 40 for two. Oh, I think they're just a little cheaper than clan rats It's a good thing though. If that's true I don't remember how much like stabbas and and you know stabbas and shooters are all right So I couldn't say off top of my head. I don't look up the basic gets They're more than that. They're at least I mean they're 120 and 130. I think so I see this and like I want to run a junk mob, but I don't want to do noblars. I want to do halflings Go for it. Sure. Like it'd be a good conversion The old world lore was that halflings and ogres have the same genetic ancestor this sort of genetic cue That that that is unknown that you that like diverged in an evolutionary path And like because they can both eat Like their own body weight and more and so like but the halflings just stayed small But the ogres got large and it was always like tom and I wanted tom and I's favorite pieces of old world lore And yeah, sure absolutely like it'd be a great conversion potential And you could just replace the scrap launchers with with hot pot upgrade conversions Right, like exactly you're just doing a hot pot thing and like the halfling team the football team Is like 16 models for 35 dollars or something. There you go. All right, like so like it's actually not It's not 16. It's uh One two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen thirteen for 35 Like that's not bad mat like on the numbers For bodies. That's pretty good. So like three bucks a dude. Yeah, sure Yeah, like and then you can get that discounted obviously so I think that like I if I do anything over related. I'm gonna have a bunch of halflings hanging out All right, you've sold me slightly on the scrap launcher and its potential in some scenarios and you could do You could do two scrap launchers and one one screen of of Of like min size Yeah, like of novel arts, you know like a min size novel or two scrap launchers. That's not bad It gives you some range Like it's not you're not paying a lot for that range And you're throwing four tacks Say what so I still want the max unit of novel arts. I mean and you could do a max unit. That's fine. That's just a lot of conversion No, I mean You're you're not wrong. It's an interesting like sort of backfield Uh, sort of unit holder, right? So what's the scrap launchers range? I don't have that right in front of me. I'm sorry 36 inches 36. That's okay So that also So that's decent because what you're talking about for that? Let's let's let's go ahead and walk this out, tom Let's take this to its logical consumption. So we got two scrap launchers for 240 plus the noblar pack Let's go let's min that out because we only need one of them right for the battalion. So that's 340 Plus the battalion itself Right. So you're you're you're junk mob Uh, is as another hundred a nice cheap battalion. So that's pretty good So for 440 a little less than a quarter of your army You've got this sort of backfield thing launching basically eight scrap shots a turn You're gonna pick you're gonna hit units that are 10 or more. So you're on twos and twos fours. Yeah, uh for all of those. So let's see you make those eight attacks Uh, you're gonna hit with basically let's let's be let's be like nice and say hit with seven of them You're gonna wound with three of them Okay on a against four up save 10 or more model units and you're gonna do nine damage 10 and a half if you want to do exactly on the dice Sure, okay And like they take buffs I got out. It's a really weird statement Um, but like I'm That's not terrible. I don't know that it's great. Yeah, but it's not terrible It's yeah, I It's not terrible is what I'm gonna say sure, um Here's a question outside of Uh under guts. Do we like them more than iron blasters? Oh, if you're not in under guts, are they better than iron blasters? Yes, I mean sadly probably Against units of 10 or more models I think on the math they are definitely better than than Uh, than iron blasters Like you roll go. Oh, yeah, like if if you're not in iron guts On the math it's Fraba. Yeah, it's in fact, I don't have to think about it. It's definitely a better unit like a hundred percent It's a better unit shooting at 10 or more outside of under guts. It's a hundred percent a better unit In fact, even in under guts, so So the three iron blasters, you know, this is really funny I happened to do all this math because I got into a big discussion with doom and darkness around this Doing the math in under guts. Let's just I'll talk about under guts for a moment. I think under guts is okay I don't think it's bad. Um, I think it's it's it's the next tribe. We'll talk about it's all right This will be a good transition in there. Sure. Um Yeah, if you've got three iron blasters in under guts making their making two attacks each The average damage is One less than the two scrap launchers shooting a unit of 10 or more Sweet Against a four upside Okay With a much higher potential damage for the Like the top end of that damage chart is Way higher on the scrap launchers because of that because of the insane number of potential d6s you have Right. You have six d6s with uh, the with the under guts iron blasters and eight d6s with the um The scrap launchers now That is also highly armor save dependent, right like, you know Mm-hmm Yeah, things mad armor save matters a lot if you're like throwing scrap launchers into like on gore packs Or like packs of gits Um Oh my god, will they do more damage than the iron blasters like at that point? It's just not even close The scrap launcher is taking the iron blaster to the woodshed like it will deal so much more damage Um, it because because then you're like anytime you get to a sort of six up save You're overpaying for the rent and it's just not doing anything anymore Right and just the more shots win out Um, yeah, okay Scrap launch. We got it. So, uh, tom, you brought me all the way back around on the scrap launchers Never mind. It's time to do some conversions. Here we go. All right, like again. They're not awesome No, but it's not terrible you you convinced me that they're a hot five You moved me from them being a two to like Situations where they will where two of them will out shoot three iron blasters. That's you hat By the way, that's a lot less points in the battalion That's for with the with its guard unit around it of dumb Noblars That's uh, that's only four and forty points. Whereas the three iron blasters Uh Plus their plus the thing they need to bonus them is like Whatever more than that. I know I see it. Yeah All right, uh, so Uh, okay, cool. All right, so let's talk under guts for a moment though Because I think under guts has some interesting potential. I mean, are we going to talk about The the elephant in the room here What? He looked I mean Look in the background. I don't get it. What are we talking about? No, it's on this road Well, we just I think we lost our we oh there we go. We're back. We lost the stream for a moment It decided to drop again. So nobody just saw any of that conversation That's okay. Oh, so let's talk about the elephant in the room vince. You see anything unusual on screen I don't see anything unusual on screen I don't get it Of course not. I was about to make a joke. I'm painting wait. No, he's building. Oh did jack's brother come back in the room I don't get it Apologize to your brother because when he walked on camera, he had the top of his head cut off. I thought yeah He's just like, hey, yeah, because he was told in the sea ox jersey. I don't know jack. Did you change costumes? That's amazing. All right, okay fine fine. We won't say anything vince isn't going to make a big deal out of it We're going to move on. Yeah, I don't see anything move on. Sorry jack All right, so Under guts under guts is interesting. It's obviously the Makes your shooting better, but not great thing Um, I actually think the good ability of it is the lead belcher range moving to 18 inches from 12 I think it makes that much more viable I think lead belchers are already an interesting counterpoint to some amount of glutton's like I would still always have a 12 or of glutton's But lead belchers are interesting because of that shooting potential like The ability to have shooting and to project power Especially in the current meta is itself very powerful Now, I don't know that you're going to blow down a goth is our harvester with some lead belchers I wouldn't put money on that frankly um But like there's plenty of fairly weak five wound heroes that sit behind lines That like an 18 inch range out of those guns will give you the ability to shoot down Okay, but even just the ability to soften a unit and then charge into it Is good it the damage tends to be Fairly equivalent to what you'll get out of non max buffed glutton's like if glutton's are at max then they then and buffed They get way better because there's more interesting ways to buff them But nonetheless, there it is. It's a little more versatility, but a little less top end power for the buffs um the um You can't you do have your command ability to get your uh, your iron blasters shooting more that we discussed So great you can add an attack to them. By the way, if you aren't adding the attack to them I am pretty sure iron blasters are hot garbage So Yeah, they're just bad If you are adding the attack they're like They're pretty good. They're they're like they're they're good. They're like slightly worse than scrap launchers It made the narrative player sigh. I understand They're they're pretty bummed about them. They're okay. Let's call it a five. Can I get a five out of 10? Is anybody gonna put me on a five out of 10 in undercuts? No, that's fine. Here. Here's the takeaway You're not gonna play under guts sure I really like lead belches yesterday. I might try it just Just build scrap launchers. Sure Yeah, you can use under guts And that's fine. Um, you do get the powder keg, which is a perfectly fine little magic weapon It's fine. It's a little horde damage thing. It lets you do a hysterical frenzy to a unit, which okay Do some what you see is what you get to and get the little nablar that's holding the powder keg Yeah, yeah, it's holding the keg. Yeah Um, it's a perfectly fine little one-shot magic item that can do some significant damage Um, especially against bigger units by the way, like it can be actually It like against a against like a unit of 20 or more models. It's actually like pretty Pretty freaking destructive because it's a four plus d3 mortal wounder. Like that's a heck of a horde clear Signed up. Yeah. Yeah, I mean like it's not bad as far as those kind of one-shot things go It will do a heck of a damage to a horde Um, because there's that's not limited like if you do throw that into a unit of 60 gets or something Like it's just roll on them dice I there's no ones fail So like if you just throw that into a unit of 60 gets it does 60 d3 mortal wounds, I think Unless I'm missing something, right? I thought you'd roll nine dice No, uh Okay, if you do so pick one enemy unit within nine inches of the bear that is visible to them Oh, it's our enroll six dice not 60 three just six dice. Yes. So it'll do some good stuff I was I was pretty bad. It's still pretty good. You'll just get six d3, which is not bad. I apologize everyone I overstated the dice number. Yes, six d3 not 60 d3 Big difference there Uh, a little bit of a difference, but yeah, it's okay. It can do some decent enough damage, but it's not great Uh, the you're the command trait is the most underwhelming. I just good lord. Why subtract one from wound rolls for attacks Made with missile weapons that target the general on a Tuesday If it's if your name is steve like I hate things like this That's still won't save me from jack like like why for just the general like a good version of this command trait would have been uh Subtract one from missile weapons that target this army or anybody within 12 inches of the general or Whatever, you know something like that some range of the thing Yeah, just like something they can carry around and protect the rest of the army from shooting Like there's a non garbo version of this, but this is not it, right? um So there you go Oh, but yeah, like under guts. I would rate as the okay one It's fine If you like shooty shooty stuff If you want to make better use of lead belchers If you want I if you have iron blasters and want to make them actually do something This is the place to look because I just they they don't I I agree with you tom Like you've completely turned me around on scrap launchers Uh, I am now pro scrap launcher in junk mob. I was already liking junk mob is a funny trick Now i'm i'm way more on the junk mob train Game's workshop was uh streaming. They didn't even have to even have to tell me like what it did They're just like there's a noblar battalion called a noblar junk mob. I was like, thank you go on Tell me more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't but Uh, all right, so let's uh, shall we just transition into another tribe right away? Do we have anything else to say? Yeah, that's it. They're fun yay If you like the shooty shooty bang bang, it makes them okay at that But you're still gonna be charging. You're still gonna be fighting in melee. You're still ogres It's not a it's not a castle up for farming. That's never what it's gonna be right ever ever Okay, um, so The uh, I want to talk about winter bite for a moment because I just want to use this to transition into into some some things Uh winter bite is an interesting and somewhat disappointing tribe to me for so many reasons, but let's get into it Uh, so first of all their ability is ghost in the blizzard You subtract one from hit rolls for attacks made with missile weapons that target winter bite units wholly within your territory See, that's how you structure a neg one rule See that how that's better Because then it's your whole army and as long as they're in your territory It's neg one to be it from shooting that actually would be annoying to jack's army Because you have basically during round one your army wide neg one to be hit by shooting weapons. That's great Okay, cool. That's functional. That's functional. It's doing something. It's doing something now We won't talk about how the fact that there's still not a lot of shooting armies in the meta And many armies are just wow melee and this ability will literally do zero against Probably like 80 of the current field Like if you play iron jaws or a non con and ruck, uh bone splitters or fec or slanesh or uh, non shoot cast storm cast or night haunt or I could keep going hit me on those Those are hitting on sixes. Yeah or fire slayers or daughters Then this ability basically does nothing and just says So, okay, but For those time. Hey when that ko book comes out Look, you're gonna be real glad that this ability exists. All right. So, uh, Next up you have another thing that bonuses a priest you don't care about so great Um, that's fun Uh, command ability howl of the wild you can use this command ability at the start of the combat phase If you do so pick one friendly winter bite hero Uh friendly winter bite frost sabers units and winter bite nice fall yeti's units Holy within 12 inches of that hero can fight at the start of the combat phase These units go on again in that combat phase unless an ability or spell allows them to fight more than once So you read that and you're like sweet some asf We love that who does everybody loves always strikes first That is it has been universally agreed to be an ability that everybody loves all the time. It's never bad everybody loves asm Okay, I think we all agree on that Hey that tyrant is here non controversial statement that everybody always loves always strikes first uh, but Here's here's what I hate about this ability Why is this ability triggered at the start of the combat phase? Oh, and we're not we're not sending data again. So we'll give it a moment. We'll wait We'll wait for this to happen street as the stream drops in and out. How fun Oh It's only happened like three times. It's not too bad. Yeah It should catch back up in a second. It's still it's still counting like it's still streaming. It's just Stupid youtube server And we're back. All right. We'll wait for the stream to catch back up. There we go. All right sorry everybody the stream has dropped in and out because uh Oh, look at that darin latham in the chat doom and darkness in the chat. Whoa, what is going on here? We got we got a party going on Darin you picked a rough show to start when youtube servers or to join and comment because youtube servers are flawed So I apologize and anyway, all my friends. No, yes Uh, so, uh, let's uh, let's talk about some winter bite My my only issue with this winter bite rule is I don't like that it triggers at the start of the combat phase When other things that always strikes first will kill you before you can activate it The only way that I mean stop being a negative Nancy like You know what? This is I'm gonna I'm gonna counter. This is the exact type of units that you want to have always strikes first I agree because they're all made of paper Right like units that die if they get touched. I agree. They're units that die if they get touched. They're like they're They're combat effective But they're not monsters like they have a lot of attacks. They you know, like they don't have a lot of ran But yeah, they're fine, you know, like they're they do work But they don't Go ahead I said they get the buff from the command trade if he's the general right, right But they don't like dominate the game. No, right And so like these are the units that I want to see always strikes first. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah So stop being so negative. I like it. It's themed and you get to paint things icy No, that's fine. I I'm not I'm just saying it's like those are the little things that kind of drive me crazy Because it's it is what it is whatever and like by the way, it could just be the unit gets skipped I understand even if you could activate from six inch or sorry Stop throwing me off do my red dooms comment Even if you could activate at the end of their charge phase If they asf you and it's their turn that they're still gonna get to go first I totally agree and understand but if they don't You know, like that would still give your other units asf as well to then fight in that sort of way But anyway, it's fine I think the real challenge which is what doom was going to comment on which is that um the These the yeti six inch pylon Is kind of more often how you end up activating this anyways this kind of keep them out of combat And they just pile in from six inches away Right, like this there's some unique unique utility here, though Let me push back because now you're actually playing with six inch pylon Or always strikes first Or always strikes last Because you do potentially like in the more uh, bcr related, you know, suite of stuff like you could have a A thunder test Yeah, no, it's fine like I I I mean we talked earlier about why that guy is what he is but Yes, it's fine. And by the way, I do like the command trait as you pointed out And there there are other things you can take by the way to buff like yetis and stuff up in the up in that So like that's cool. I I like add one to wound rules for these guys. That's that's cool. I have no issue with that whatsoever I wanted to talk about winter bite because there's just a couple little things here The artifact is like one of the funniest artifacts that won't actually do anything But it's super it's a super fun thing to roll for every turn What an exciting thing to roll for you get to pick one of the bearer's melee weapons And at the start of each battle round you roll a die on a five plus you had one of the damage Inflicted by a tax made with that weapon for the rest of the battle and the effect is cumulative like on numbers that means like Maybe you get plus two damage over the course of a five round game, which is not great Uh, but chuck's gonna play this one. This is gonna love it. Yeah, like it's so exciting for you to make that roll every round So that's that's a funny. I've been damaged. There we go. There it is. Yes. Like, uh, uh, uh, do I get it? Do I get it? Oh And it'll be like when you roll that five plus you will be so happy like that is one of those fun roles That's just like one of the most fun things to to do Uh, so I wanted to talk about I think winter bite is cool. I do like the winter themed stuff. That's super fun um But I wanted to use this to transition into the only to talk a little bit about the battalions here And talk about my favorite bcr battalion, which is skull Yeah Um, I like else about events. Yeah, I like skull a lot man. Uh, I'm down with skull I'm down with the skull Skull has been showing up as either one of my battalions Like either the battalion that I take or one of two battalions that I take. Um, it is relatively cheap It is a hundred point battalion, which I rather enjoy. I like me some cheapy battalions Uh, and I really like how this one's built. So skull allows you to take one to six ice brow hunters And two to ten Two to ten Ten 10 years man 10 Two to ten. Good call back. That is. Thank you. Uh I don't know that I've ever seen something say 10 on the number of selectable units in a battalion before Is there any other battalion in the game that allows for 10 of a unit to be selected? Yes. Yes, absolutely. Um, That isn't that isn't a major battalion. Oh, no changes. You're right changes does. Yeah In old uh clan pestilence It just said two plus that doesn't so you could have any any number of uh, you know, it's in the uh Same fair enough. All right. So two to ten units of frost sabers And what I like about it is you had one to the charge rolls for units from this battalion Or they are wholly within 12 inches of another unit from this battalion Fantastic ice brow hunters. I actually like quite a bit. Um, they are one of the depressing spots to me at the same time that I love them Like what I mean by that is just it feels like some rules cleanup wasn't done on the scroll Like they still have some of the goofy like you can't do this thing to make this other ranged attack and just like Why did that stuff need to happen? It just still has like needless complexity on the ice brow hunter scroll Um, that just doesn't you're saying from a design from a design standpoint. Yeah Yeah, yeah from a design standpoint It just it has some needless stuff on there that doesn't really need to be there They this scroll could have been cleaned up. Okay um, but I like him conceptually like that is to say like ranged attacks fine. He can start an ambush Automatically, which is cool. Um, like instead of setting him up. You can just place him to the side You can do a null deploy army with two of these battalions If you're inclined to pull something like that you literally can null deploy this army with two skull battalions um So that's funny. Um, because everybody can start an ambush and everybody can take their kitty cats with them Uh, so hilarious um And you know because they get to they get to basically they get to set up They have to show up by the by the third turn as per normal or they're destroyed and uh, they have to show up more than nine inches away from You know enemy units and blah blah blah standard stuff Um, but I like how they show up and their kitty cats can join them They can bring one unit of kitty cats with them. There's a command there's a command trait That they can take two units of kitty cats, which you won't have in winter bite anyways um But the plus one to charge on the battalion is really good because you're showing up nine inches away Giving you the good old eight to charge um So that's don't think that's already get a bonus to charge Oh, the the kitty cats themselves you're asking like do they have they do they do yes If they're near the hunter that they deep strike with yes Which is why this is great like he's on an eight because he gets the bonus from skull Putting him on the eight and the kitty cats go on a five because they get plus four total yeah You know what just the saddest part about this whole thing is Why i'm i'm ready Break my heart. Yeah, what are you doing? There's nothing sad about this. I love these kitty cats And and all they're crazy and the crazy charging Fives to charge are pretty great Kitty cats are two for eighteen dollars But their web and ones are exclusive. Okay number one You're just gonna use thunder wolves or whatever right like we are gonna use some kind of big wolf There's tons of plastic wolves number two I am confident that any day now that new uh warhammer underworlds Warband is going to release that we saw on the cards as I mentioned at the top And it's going to give us a new sculpt of kitty cats and hunters and there will be much rejoicing It's all i'm saying How many kitty cats do you think would it would go in that it on the baton or on the Underworlds baton or warband three A weird it'll be a weird number so it doesn't match exactly to the units So it's like hot dogs and hot dog buns at least the skull is one to six iceberg hunters So if you could buy the but underworlds warband like six times. Yeah, absolutely You're still good and and by the way, I do think like so Winter bite. I don't think and in the end is worth it. I like that I like these dudes in skull without winter bite I actually really like that the the hunter is a great general He has a really sweet command trait where every round he's in ambush He gives you d3 command points like for being off board, which is super cool Um, I'm just gonna leave that dude there all game and I'll get 5d5 Yeah, it's pretty great 5d3. Yes. He'll he'll be he'll be playing on the fourth battle round, but yes Don't ruin this for me. Sure Um But like the fact that you can all deploy or the fact that you can have this threat The fact that this stuff can show up kind of anywhere. Yeah, and it's a really decent charge I think it's a really good threat. I think the battalion's good. I think the units are good Um, you know, I frost avers like okay. These things will just like fold if they get hit. You're correct Um, but even that doesn't really make me want to go for the asf of of Of of winter bite. I just think they're still better being like Kitty cats and a hunter and like I'm building some kitty cats and hunters for my army, man I'm I'm excited like I think these guys are great. I converted up a hunter for myself Um, I think hunters are a great chance. Look if you don't like the old hunter Uh, it's a great chance for a conversion and You know just to sidetrack here for a moment We didn't meant I forgot to mention this in my 40 000 foot view But I think this is a really important point to make and I I'm I'm sad that I kind of I forgot to make it earlier, but I'll say it now This is a great ogres are a great new player army I stand behind that Yep, the sculpts are very new player friendly to paint It is relatively low model count Could be very low model count if you went like heavy bcr Older Yeah, six monster trucks could be like six monster trucks driving around. Yeah Um, it's a lot of textures and stuff that are are fun to do it takes wells of things like washes and contrast paints Um, it lets you experiment on bigger surfaces like they have big features So you're not like it lets you really get comfortable with it has very defined musculature Um, it you can do fun things like weathering on these guys and it totally fits and looks cool Right, um so like I think this army is extremely new player. We see peachy's, uh, man-eaters. Uh, that they share hold on Then we're back As I was saying, uh, did you see peachy's, uh, man-eaters? That that he uh, was sharing out where he like They were so good. Oh, I loved it. Like I loved his custom, uh They were so good storm cast, uh, man-eaters and fire slayers man-eaters. They were so sweet Like yes tradition of converted models for sure Yeah, yeah, and like it made me sad that I don't like the unit Oh man-eaters. I like man-eaters just fine. I have a unit of three in my big in my big 24 hour to paint a 2000 k army I've got three man-eaters in there They're there are the original man-eaters because that's what I had but you know, I'll probably Hurt more at some time in the future. Um, but yeah, like man-eaters are great to convert Like this is such a new player friendly army to To just collect and play and have fun with the rules are streamlined in a relatively simple way where like it doesn't Throw you with a lot of really complex interactions Like we're gonna talk about bone daddies next week and there is No way I would recommend somebody who's new pick that army up. That is a nightmare It's a trap Forget about that like that is a that is your second or third army Okay, like where you've got the experience to understand complex interactions ovars are new player friendly. They're fun great love them So we also think that new players at least is in my experience have the compulsion to start converting even if they've only built like Five models like but I want to put this on there and like wait slow down But also yes, this is a super cool part of this hobby Do whatever you want 100% and ogres are a great one to do it with because they are more like ramshackle And it's okay Like somebody just starts taking some shields and gluing it on their shoulder and stuff and like this is my man-eater now Because he has different weapons And I glued an extra pistol on his belt and put some big shields on it On his he's using his shoulder pads and an empire feather into his stuck it on the side of his head like Yeah Ta-da, great. Boom You know, I love that have that section in the book too. Yeah, it's It's so good. Like there is a whole conversion section and painting section this book. That's really strong Um, we don't often talk about that stuff enough, but that was a plus stuff in this one Because it does help get people over that fear I think even they realized that this army just has great conversion capability and they've been talking about it And yeah, yeah, wonderful and right and rightfully so. I'm glad yes Absolutely All right, so I think that's all the tribes we want to we want to talk about so Because I don't think the other two tribes are worth really discussing in great detail Um, but I do want to kind of talk about just now. Let's swing back Oh, the other three bcr battalions are all also like Not good I don't know what else to say man. They're just yeah, we nope moving on Uh, huskards, uh, huskards on stone horns, huh? Right on so thank you next Um Well, it's just a way is that the url bad because I think the url beds may I think it's kind of cool Hey, you know what go ahead. Give me a defense. Look I have been turned around on scrap launchers in this show and I am now 100 team scrap launcher As by the end of the show, I'm going to be a 10 out of 10 on scrap launchers if this is your welcome world You're welcome. So okay, all right Tell me url bad is one husk or one huskard on stone horn one to three stone horn beast riders and two to four mournfang pack units Please please you can all let you go from there. Tell us about the ability and why you think url bad is interesting Okay, uh, I will point out that all of these do have bad in the title Which is perhaps a bit on the nose, but anyways Okay, the extra more wounds are Maybe okay. You have a lot of attacks with the mournfangs Then this is this is where like my logic train goes. This is to be uh beast claw raider start battalion boxes Okay, so if you're looking to to build up an army quickly. I think that's pretty good But okay, so we know that like the we agreed the prayers for the huskard are disappointing But let me try and point because his command ability though to give the mournfangs the The mournfangs extra damage on the charge. Do we like that? That's kind of the one thing. It's like, okay well, yeah If we're really saying that like the frost lord Versus the huskard if we don't even really care about like what extra damage the Frost lord does then maybe having a command ability that I think is better than the frost lord's Command ability is that worth it? uh great argument, but This is the one at least the one battalion that I saw there and I was like Okay, I would think about this if I was doing All beast claw raiders sure and you wanted to be mournfang heavy Sure, okay at least two units. Yeah, yeah sure sure My only issue with the command ability is it only works. Um Um It only works on holy within 12. Well, it only works on one mournfang pack, right? Yeah, I don't like it'd be neat if it was sort of a bubble thing that it hit all the mournfang packs around him Then I'd kind of be more down with that because then I could like trigger it on multiple units in charge in That's like the frost. We don't even have the room for that though It's holy within 12 and like with their bases. That's a lot of stuff dude. Holy within 12 is huge Right, that's so much room The huskered half the charge do and right like because yes because if they get in and he does not This this ability does not fire all Sure, I mean depending on the charge because unless you're unless you're doing three three inch charges, but okay Um, no like yes, it like I'm I'm I'm thinking about like you're everybody's pushing up and you're gonna have like a You know like six to nine inch charge on everybody. Yeah, sure Um, if if you've got a long charge, here's what I'll say. I I agree with you Brent on this regard We haven't talked about mournfang much um mournfang are like Okay, they probably need a little bit of a point adjustment. They're probably still a little bit too high But if you love mournfang and you wanted to run them, here's what I'll say You're right that I think this is the way to to do it Or hey like three on the charge. That's pretty it's pretty good, right? No, I mean you're right They make a lot of those attacks Right because that's that's the thing they're making four attacks of moving that to damage three is not terrible Like if you're if you're like, yes, I'm all about mournfang. I love them. I think they're super cool Which by the way, they are super cool models like Yes, that's one of the things that's kind of like these guys are Sweet as models. Okay. Rhinox look awesome. These ogres on top look awesome These are good-looking models Um, and so if that's your jam and you want to go with the star collecting and get it going I will grant you the Euro bad's probably the way to do it because I think it is the best of the of the bad It's the best of the bad battalions. You can take that however. I mean it I'll take it. Yeah, and uh, and and yes, I think that is like That's probably the best that's making the most hay of it. Yes I don't know if your rumple still it's getting spinning straw into gold But you're spinning straw into like copper. So that's valuable still that's nice beginning I said I would be overly optimistic and positive So if if you'll give me it is the best of the bad battalions. I'll take it. Yeah And and you know doom points out that you can dart with these guys as well What he's talking about is like using them as as ultra heavy sort of fast chaff with the iron fists where they always kick back mortal wounds Right because if they roll the six so like things that can get where like if units like witch elves or plague monks or something Hit them and just roll tons of attacks Um, because it's just every roll of uh, uh six will bounce mortals. Yeah Yep, yeah Unmodified six roll because you have to make a save for everything that's dealt So if they hit you with 130 attacks and wound with a hundred of them You get to roll and deal like 16 mortal wounds back to them, right? Like yeah, that unit's dead But who cares it did what it was supposed to do, right? Yeah, I mean I'd rather just buy a harpies at 80 points Well, I mean this is this is destruction man. It's not how this works Uh, but yeah, no, I agree like those doors are good and these guys are fast enough to actually be pretty mobile like You know, uh chaff in that way. So yeah, I'm down with that. They can get hungry They're ogres They can get hungry They can move 11 I'm down with that for for heavy for for ultra heavy chaff and they are on big bases So they can take up a but they can have a big board presence Right Yep, absolutely Yeah, I don't think more and fanger bat in any way. I just think it's interesting like I find them tough to fit into most lists Um, but I haven't written a lot of bcr specific lists And so maybe there's a better Like this year old bad could be the way to do that Brent. I agree. Yeah 100% All right I want to swing back through some of the command traits artifacts and things like that that we didn't touch on because You know in the tribes we weren't really Those are oftentimes decided And I just want to have each of us talk about a couple that we think are pretty Cool because there are some cool ones up here like going tribalists I think is a valid choice here, which kudos they they have done this now twice In that I think this isn't quite on the same level as like the iron jaws where every time I'm just like man I don't know, you know, do I go with a uh, uh You know one of the chamber enclave tribes or do I go with one of the or do I just go tribalist and pick the Stuff out of the book that's a really hard decision in iron jaws I think here it's still an interesting decision. It's not as close, but it's still pretty close So it's like under guts. It's like you could probably just not take a mantra right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. Absolutely Um, so obviously these are split up. These are very divided, which I actually don't mind So like you've got a list of tyrant a list of butcher a list of frost lord or huskard and a list of ice brow hunter Which cool super great. I love stuff like that. That's great I like when those are broken out I already talked about one of the ones that I really love in the command traits Which is winter ranger The the for the ice brow hunters where at the start of each of your hero phases if this general is in ambush You gain d3 additional command points, which I super dig I think that one is awesome. Like I I think that one is pretty pretty darn cool um What what uh, what else do y'all gentlemen like in this section out of out of any of these by the way I like crushing bulk on the tyrant. Okay simple, but uh, yeah, yeah, the abilities trampling charge. So like in the the game yesterday Uh, I thought that that rule was Really nice. Like even if it's just a couple like chip damage, you know a couple little mortal wounds here The fact that every hero and every, you know unit of two lead belchers is still making that role And putting out a couple mortal wounds. I think it's pretty awesome. Yeah, this was exceptionally good role That I charged with the mourn fangs. So it's four of them and I did six mortal wounds on my 10 charge Uh, which yeah, it shouldn't have happened, but like I kind of get into Where there's potential to do something crazy. So it's like, okay, maybe the average damage on it is not that high Yeah, that's probably what you want to play for but sometimes I feel like I want to play for well potentially You could 12 mortal wounds and so something like this on the tyrant like if you get a nice Uh 10 inch charge, you know, maybe that could happen Uh, then on four ups you're doing mortal wounds because then he's treated as a monster Also, it's just thematically awesome Because the tyrant is like a super cool dude Like it's a super cool model and just like you want that dude to be big and scary and to be rolling into people hard And this Yeah So I like all those reasons. I think it'll do some damage and yeah, it's it's cool Uh, I also like killer reputation while we're on the tyrant table, which just gives you a certain big name Like the there are decent big names. So that's cool getting to pick two of them You can't pick two of the same, but I don't care. That's fine like being able to give them a three up save and Is good. Yeah Yep, what else what else do you like and tom? Uh, I I'm a fan of the like I like tech tools And the frost fell aura is certainly one of those. Yeah, um, I think so this is on the the beast claw Table for huskards and frost lords for generals. Um, and uh In that world where we're building like a crunch horn like that you have a murder horn and you have a crunch horn the putting the enemy units within three inches cannot retreat On your crunch horn Like so as like a as a really highly um like defensive tanky ethereal uh Unit that is survivable and can hold another Like high armor unit and then just grind through Not let them actually run away Is that's really interesting to me. Yeah, like if you're not on if you're not in boulder head, right? And so like yeah, we're and or or maybe if you're in the case where you have a single crunch horn in maybe an otherwise Uh gut buster flavored army. Yeah, like maybe you've got one monster truck in your otherwise just pile of ogres Yeah, I think this that can be a solid pick 100 because the I I agree like it makes that dude real scary Two anvils because if he can pin the anvil before they get on an objective or be where they need to be They can't do their job They can't do their job. They're just stuck there fighting this thing. They will never kill But it's yeah, they're just gonna die like they will just sit there and die It's yeah. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Isn't that delightful? It is pretty delightful. Yeah, it's wonderful No, I I agree. I think I think the frost fellora is is pretty sweet doom gave a shout out for filthy hygiene, which is one of the questionable hygiene. I think is what you mean there Uh, which is the one that's neg one to hit rolls for attacks made by enemy units within six inches of the general Pretty powerful on like a butcher or a slaughter master Right because that guy will often be within six inches of the enemy unit fighting your gluttons But not actually in combat himself or or sometimes to be in combat But like the point is he's often running around with gluttons and giving everybody neg one to hit your gluttons is Uh, I I looked that up. Let me check the resources Yeah, that's good It's a good thing Because they're in combat. I throw them in there. Oh, sure like he could be in combat too I'm just saying like sometimes he will sometimes he won't but this has that six inch aura that I was talking about makes all the difference Yeah Yeah So, yeah, yeah dig it all right, uh Cool any artifacts that you happen to like Well, let me find the tyrant guns. I just like tyrant scatter you can tell Sure, uh, I gotta pull that up again. Well, that went the wrong way What so it makes his pistols become six attacks instead of two? I put three wounds on a steam tank before I charged it and then did nine damage in combat So the tyrant just like One turn ripped apart a steam tank yesterday. That was pretty satisfying But I was like, but if I could shoot six times Those are all d3 damage each. I think that's pretty cool Sure, sure. Yeah. All right Uh, it's a call that there is a sky Titan scatter pistols. That's it. Yes. Yes. Yeah Uh, I like his gruesome trophy rack. I mean the plus one to hit rolls Obviously, you're gonna use that in sort of your underguts thing because it's just plus one to hit rolls period Um, so okay cool because meaning that you can actually get the The the cannon firing more accurately. So that's cool. Oh, yeah, that is cool And it buffs him too. So when he goes up and charges a monster hero Take him down. Yep Yep uh Yeah, I'm trying to think of just uh anything else tom what grabs your what grabs what grabs your attention out of the out of this list Anything any any of the artifacts you like? um Again, like I do kind of like gruesome trophy rack Yeah, sure. That's yes, it's real good. It's real good. Even if you're not using it for the for the iron blaster trick It's just pretty good like plus one. Yeah It's pretty good. I mean it's only against monsters or heroes, but okay Many of the things you want to kill in this game are monsters or heroes. So sure. Yeah I mean, if you want a super fast tyrant the gull's gut plate that makes him move for when he's hungry is funny He can be a zippy little guy Running around but uh, you know probably better But you'd probably just give him the thermal rider cloak would be the better choice there because It's moving flying all the time so I mean the other Uh, I must have missed it or maybe I missed it. Do you guys talk about the rotting dang cold spores? No, it was what I was going to talk about next you want to talk about them rotting dang cold spores Because I actually like the rotting dang cold spores Yeah, I kind of do too So it's a once per battle like item. So it's not something that like You're going to use repeatedly um, but what it does is uh, pick it up being within six inches of the bear at the start of your hero phase um, and Uh, you roll a dice for the number of models in that unit Every four up is a mortal wound. Yeah So Pretty good pretty good Like uh In the key is it's not wholly within Like so there's not a like there's no restriction on like so like you just have to like Get within sniffing distance of like a horse. I'll get the toe of one guy. Yeah Yeah And then you can cut a unit of goblins in half Right. Yeah, I didn't have to cast a spell or anything to do it. Right. You just do it Yeah, you just do it. That is why I like this. It's not like on a two plus or three plus this thing happens It's just no once per battle if you're in range you do you you do some serious horde thinning Which yes, I like right um great for like objective type of clearing stuff before you know when your units are going in It's yeah, it's good Yeah, I like it Uh, oh, that's an interesting question. Josh asks he's been toying with the idea of the bone grinder gargant Any thoughts on the 400 point giant so the big giant because you know, they can they can ally with giants obviously uh, yeah Good, I I don't have any thoughts on it was all I was gonna say so go ahead tom if you Uh 400 points, huh? Uh, I'll just take 12 gluttons right, okay Like no, you're right anything anything that's 400 points in this army gets stacked against 12 gluttons You're right right and I'm like 48 wounds Way higher damage potential Can cap objectives better? I don't know what the giant's doing Being pretty awesome I mean Doesn't he pile in from six? You got him a cool trick. Yeah. Guess what guess what so do my gluttons in uh, Well, they don't pile in from six inches away. I think he has the oh no He has the truth. Yeah, I I I'll take the I'll openly admit it's been a long time since I've looked at the I'll take the punch and then pile in six inches using uh, my um My blood Gullet God trait So I don't rate it is the answer. Okay fair enough All right, uh Model you gotta use it though. Sure So Josh underscore if you already have bone grinder gargain get your money's worth, but if not Maybe maybe hold off It is a yeah, you have to use it If you like it is a sweet giant model and like when I say giant I mean that in both senses of the word that thing is it's ridiculously huge. Yes, which I do love Oh, look, I love giants. We all know Uh, I love me some giants. I I have a whole giant army So I've got all the giants um I I I'm down with that So anytime that they want to anytime that battle tome Uh giants comes out gargant any time the gargant battle tome comes out Let me just put that out there into the ether If you're looking for expansion armies Uh Yes, please. I'll take the all giant army Uh, I'll still I'll have about as many figs I'll probably have more figs than the than the bcr army still So that's fine Just give me the I also count as 10 on an objective thing and I'm good or you know what don't I don't care I don't need it. I'll still play it just all giants I want big giants. I want different giants want smart giants I want shamanistic giants that are priests and spell casting giants Just crack that open just giants everywhere Coming down from the the they just they get annoyed In maybe the giants have been hanging out in in heich or something whatever just one of the lesser explored explored mortal realms We can stick them somewhere The giant enclave comes together. Yes make it happen Bring me back my all giant army. That's all I'm saying Do you have the you probably the marauder giant then right? I do have a marauder giant Yeah As well as can you post a picture of them because I I would really love to see what you did He's that he's not painted. I have an old one that's not painted mine is on my giant army. Yeah Okay, we might have to challenge each other to I mean, no, it's not a competition, but I'm sure it's actually Marauder giant. Yeah, because I have him and then the other remember the old orcs and goblin giants Uh, the one that's like that now is basically a little bit bigger than an ogre. He's not that big He's the last giant Yeah, I have him too and I really want to do a repaint on him Like I have 10 giants painted and ready to go of of all sorts of different types and sizes and stuff like including the um The albion giants the little the the skinny arm dudes. Yeah. Yeah these guys a little skinny arm dudes um But uh, but I would love to do to do more of uh, I'd love to get a couple more in there because why not Why not keep adding to this army? That's not an army. It is fun painting giants is just fun Okay, cool Uh, yeah, I think that's good for that Uh, we should we should also gentlemen talk about spells because we talked about the we we were a bit remiss Earlier on when we when we covered blood gullet that we didn't deep dive on the spells But I I do think they're spell list You know, we kind of mentioned that maybe the prayers are a little I agree. I think their their their spell list is good Um, so I'm gonna Crack out a couple here real fast get it in a crack. Here we go rib cracker Casting value seven successfully cast pick one in a unit within 18 inches The cast is visible to them Subtract one from save rolls for attacks that target that unit until starting your next hero phase Fantastic if rib cracker goes off and your big pack of gluttons or blah blah blah blah blah blah or or insert ogre unit attacks here Oh boy, is that going to be good? Um, you know, I think that I think hey whoa tWitch has mentioned that like The one of the things that you can do with this army is you're just kind of pulling the slot machine You're like, what did I get out of the cauldron? Is it good? Let me try again. Is it good? Try to cast a spell. Did it work try to cast a spell. Did it work? You just want as many shots on goal as you can get Yeah And if you're gonna roll a good dice roll like once or twice and that's all it takes and that's all it takes Because yeah, I have a couple of these buff land buffs land. I think do mention this too in his in his review Um, which again, you should go absolutely watch. He he dove deep on this, but yeah rib cracker is great um And then obviously blood feast casting value of seven pick one friendly over unit. Uh, that is not a monster Okay, fine And holy within 18 inch to the caster and visible to them add one to the attacks characteristic of that unit's melee weapons Until the start of your next hero phase Seems good to me. So Can I ask a question? Yeah, sure. Well, like let's get through spells and then I want to talk about Uh, a consideration that we haven't talked about that. I think it's worth mentioning. Okay, sure uh Brent have you got some like there aren't ones I think in here that are like super super horrible But what else do you like? I think there's I think there's some other fun ones in here I want to add too blood feast is cool because that would give two attacks to the mournfangs The rider and the the beast would both get that that's kind of cool because they are not trying to think of yeah They're not monsters. So we're trying to think of ways to get more out of mournfangs. Okay, so I have to talk about the funny spell Since okay, so if since tom sold you on scrap launchers Blobber grub stench Is pretty funny to me because then it makes the trampling charges of all the rhinoxes Uh count as monsters I told you already like that rule the spells you too. It's only on a five uh I know like if you're only getting to Pick one spell on a butcher or slaughter master You're probably not going to pick this one But if I was doing blood goal it and you get to pick two spells and you've got multiple butchers slaughter masters Sure, maybe that one gets its way in the list. Yeah. Yeah I want to point out there is a trait that gives all spells There is yes, right right. Well I'm gonna say that one's cool just because also it's very Unique and I do like having you know, like the basic utility spells like when I first Looked at this. I was wondering, you know, is there gonna be a negative one to hit spell? Oh, there it is You know, like the stuff that people rely on but then I also like seeing Here's a spell that buffs rhinoxes and it's like All right, I'll I'll take some of these oddball spells because I was like, I don't think it's it's bad I think it's a good spell. It's just not It's not gonna take priority over The the ones you expect the basic ones. Sure. Sure. Sure Yeah, I'm a big fan of uh of molten entrails as we kind of talked about like that plus one damage Like that's really big And in the midst of all of the rest of the like the moving parts I think it's it like if you have a big stompy. It's worth the addition Got it. I want to talk about my favorite second spell selection In here for if you're in blood gullet because we haven't we haven't touched on it yet and it's flesh crave curse Okay It's cool spell Now I'm going to read this out and then we're going to need to to to really understand this Here we go flesh crave curse has a casting value of six If successfully cast pick one enemy unit within 12 inches of the caster that is visible to them That unit suffers d6 mortal wounds Hello All right. Um, I'm interested In addition add one to the attacks characteristic of that unit's melee weapons until the start of your next hero phase I Love this spell. Okay. Let me tell you why Because I love that that second bit of text exists And here's why Because that second bit of text is what is obviously you're buffing the enemy unit But I don't care. Yes I don't care because it's what pushed a d6 mortal wound spell Right on a casting value of six into existing, right? You don't get d6 At a casting value of six Uh Without and without that and guess what I will blood boil the heck. It's what it is. It's just blood boil I love blood boil. I was gonna call it blood boil in a minute, but it's blood boil Blood boil kills things. Okay, and I will blood boil the heck out of some stupid five wound hero Do you think I care if a hag queen gets an extra attack? Spoiler I don't Okay, or a hollow heart wizard gets an extra attack knock yourself out man Four wound dumb goblin hero hiding back there casting you can get flesh craved And have an extra attack with your boppy boppy stick There are so many units I would use this on that literally that extra attack means less than nothing Okay, the battle smith an extra attack. Yeah, but also kill him, right? And yeah, and and against these like five wound heroes oftentimes, they're just dead Like you have a if they're at max and have no mortal wound protection and the spell fires off on them 33 chance They're just dead They don't get that plus one attack at all even if they could have made hay out of it If you're talking about dumb grot wizards flip a coin, they're dead Okay, so the other thing I would say is there's actually some utility here that you're not talking about I'm in keep got let's let's make this even better. I love this spell. I think it's super good So let's say that you're running those mournfang screens Okay, oh and they're lining and they're lining up on skeletons Sure, maybe give them extra attacks that way you're not only more to wound them down, but then they have to kill themselves harder Like they were already over killing the unit Right, those two mournfang with the with the with the iron fists. You just want them to throw more dice at you Right more dice. Yeah plague monks. You were you already killed me 50 attacks ago Why not make another 40 attacks that way we can just deal another 10 mortal wounds to you or whatever. Yeah, sounds great Right Yeah, that's very funny. Yeah, like like like the like the most egregious is obviously like multi-profile things like uh, like plague bugs Because we're gaining two attacks for model. Yeah, yeah They will really murder themselves on your iron fists. Yes Wow Oh, wow. I like it. It's it's good. Yeah. No, I agree. That's that's super great This is a johnny tech piece, right? Like it's very johnny And I dig it Uh, their spell list is just good all the time because we greasy deli uses the one we didn't mention hilarious spell name And obviously also good just a good old fashioned neg went ahead is never bad So like this spell list is so solid It's what it's one of it's the other half of the thing that makes blood gullet so fun and interesting and powerful Is it like yeah, you can get a bunch spell casters and oh by the way, they all have fun things to pick and cast You don't need to rely on like I hope you're using realm spells or something Right. No, like they all have good tools. Yeah And they're all like double casting and which leads me to my next point. Um, I'm in You know something that like it took me a minute to get here but This is really good like really good Um to throw a bail when into this list Okay Just for the range on these buffs and these things I know things like the you can do this that you can do that curse at 18 inches and and stuff Yeah, like the curse. Well, it goes to 24 inches, right 18 plus six No, the curse is the curse is 12 base. Oh, yeah. Yeah the curse. Yes. Yes. Sorry the curse Yes, the curse goes to 18 inches most of the buffs or debuffs go to 24 inches Yeah, so suddenly you gain another spell Right. You gain another spell Um, you yeah, like so you could be near your pot for your plus one to cast And you're a triple caster now. Yeah and take that oil and and uh Uh, what was the other thing? Oh and like your save goes to a five four up Like it's not awesome, but it's not terrible. Sure um Like I I just like everything about that Like everything that's going on there Is what you want out of a bail and and then on top of that you can model it coming out of a pot Sure, and by the way, so it's like a blood whirlwind coming out of a like a cooking pot You still gotta put the carrot in the the vortex though. There's got to be a carrot spinning around there. Yeah You gotta grease off the carrot and and onions a little bit of parsley maybe whipping around so yeah, sure Just seasoning a mushroom or two definitely some mushrooms because they certainly ate some goblins Mushrooms do have a free glutamate. I know that that's why mushrooms are good as seasoning and in In stew because chemically they add a free glutamate that enhances the flavor of the other foods without actually even if you don't eat the mushrooms Yeah, and to answer it, uh, they're low enough wounds And they're not monsters so they can absolutely ride the bail one both the the um the like all of it um both the uh Butcher and the slaughter master and interestingly that that increases your base size On the butcher like if you're wanting to be within an objective range Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah, and by the way, aos coach. No, I am not going to stop picking on grot wizards They deserve to be picked on so there you go Sorry get more wounds. Get more wounds. Get tougher you little weedy dudes Okay So gentlemen, is there anything else we've gone on about this for a while now? I think this is good. We've touched on a lot of the stuff. I hope we've given people some ideas Is there any like final unit? Or anything we haven't talked about that you wanted to to touch on all in all like I said there's I've This has been a great chat because you've I've been turned around on scrap launchers. I'm excited. Yeah Uh now by the way our audience you have something to build In that feast of bones box Out of those two, uh iron blasters that you're like, oh, what are we gonna do with these? Do you bought two feast of bones? That means that you have the two scrap launchers you need? Bam good to go. You're welcome Uh, yeah anything we didn't touch on brent anything we didn't touch on you wanted to touch on sir We really talked a lot of fire bellies fire bones uh I was going to say we talked a lot about lead belchers and that was something from yesterday that I I definitely strongly wanted to talk about today. I'm glad we recognize that they can sort of run this interference. I also want to include that I kind of trying to figure out like they're like I don't know maybe some of my favorite chaff because it seems like they out chaff chaff like if you have a unit of I don't know a smaller unit of something else that then has to fight two ogres for 80 points Seems like the two lead belches are going to come out on top most of the time. Oh, absolutely Yes, there are heavy chaff that will kill most enemy weedy, you know five and ten man chaff units. Yes, I agree with that absolutely So I was stoked about them and I also really love the tyrant. I thought about then uh, I want to try multiple tyrants because Uh, kind of at the beginning I think we touched on what this army is good at I my impression was having lots of threats, which is nice so that even if Yeah, a big unit of 12 glutton is threatening You probably also also don't want to get charged by a single tyrant too. So if you got two of those running around Uh, I think That could I mean Killed a steam tank in one turn. It's like I think he can do some real damage. So I want to try multiple tyrants I think that Shifting, you know, like mentally the way in the narrative, you know, I'm like, well, there can only be one tyrant, right? And I was like, okay, I don't know if I dial that back a little bit Uh, that's a strategy. I think I want to try out. I'm excited to see what I can Cool So tom you want to talk about fire bellies Yeah, uh, I like every single spell on their spell list that they have They do have a strong horde clear that you do have to be like, but you have to be very very close for it Right, like that's the only downside like because it's it's only rolling for the models within the 12 inches, but right and on a bail When that's 18 I mean like I'm gonna take one if I have if I have ogre casters. Sure I'm gonna put view on bail wins. Sure. But it is it is effectively the gaunt summoner spell just at a shorter range. Yes yeah, uh yeah And then like they also have one that's like minus one attacks for all friendly units within holy within 12 of the caster so like He's like it's a casting of an eight But if he's in your backfield like nuking stuff That's not terrible because that also means that your objective holding units are at minus one to hit Because he's in a bubble around him um And then finally, uh tongues of flame Uh, this is a really interesting like johnny tech Spell. Okay casting value of set six Pick one enemy unit that has five or more models within 18 inches of the caster Um invisible to them until the start of your next year phase each time that unit finishes any type of move Yeah, sure. So d3 damage. Yeah, exactly three mortals move charge pile in. Yep. Yes pile in so Mmm slun ash Yeah, sure like your multi pile in units sure anybody who can pile in multiple times suffers a lot from that right no doubt Or d3 mortal wounds in one turn. Yeah. No, it's it's brutal. It's brutal. No doubt. Yeah So I just um like it makes me like looking at their spell lore makes me go I don't know. Maybe can I fit those points? Like is it worth having one of these guys? Isn't he only like 120? Isn't he cheap? Yeah, he's 120 points. He's pretty cheap Sweet. Yeah So it's like yeah, like it's worth considering sure He and I and like it's funny Because I see him at 120 and then I see the priests with their terrible prayers prayers at 340 and i'm like I could get three wizards. Sure three fire eaters Iron blast fire bellies I mean just one iron blaster. No, I'd absolutely rather have the fire belly I would rather have a scrap launcher though. So like in the so here's how I'd rank it right now in the hundred It's it goes scrap launcher fire belly iron blaster. That's how that's how I'm stacking this right now That's how much I've come around on scrap launchers. I mean maybe although that like That whirlwinds really good Sure I don't know if you put you try that. They're always just single casters who aren't gonna bonus though Okay, I understand. I I understand like just but stating that you're going to be rolling hard on the die That's what it is Or not If you're if you're bail-winding next to your pot where you're a plus one to cast and Not for him Oh, yes. Yeah, you're right because it's only butchers that get that correct Is it I think it's just ogre cast or ogre wizard. Is it ogre wizards? Am I wrong? Because I think it's like it is ogre wizards. Oh, there you go. It's ogre wizards. Okay. Yeah. So plus one and uh six inches from a veil wind There you go. Booyah. Okay All right He could be your fire fire starter for the pot. I'm yeah, sure. I'm still not sure but okay. Good call I forgot that he's your grill master. Like that's what that dude is That's what it is. He's cooking up on the grill. I forgot of course Somebody's got a light the fire. He's over there on the flat top He's working it like a like a like a like a the like the flat top at uh at mongol at the mongolian barbecue He's over there with the knives just chopping it up and scooting at it together. Yeah, that's what's happening there We're talking about ogre conversions. I've already seen some great mop pots by the way There's like a ramen bowl one. I saw on instagram Somebody's like a guy that's fleeing from the giant in there Yep, that's awesome. Yeah I wanted somebody turned it into a hot tub and had like an orca and uh an orca and elf. Yeah chilling in there. Yeah um, I want to do uh I wanted to do a cajun theme for mine So to like put like overalls like green stuff overalls onto them and put little brass hats on there With like the like the straw sticking out of their mouth and then like they're making gumbo um Like it just it writes itself. You have like alligators instead of frost sabers Sure, you must talk in in louisiana creole though whenever you play the army. That's That is the requirement Sure, I want to talk about managers for a second before we go. Um Because uh, oh, you know what thank you anzo. I didn't mention this Gosh darn it tom remind me next week to mention this. This is killing me I refuse to let you self market. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you anzo for buying a ticket to the class of thick I'm teaching two classes in advance of can con. I'm coming down to can con In january. I'm very excited about it. I'm teaching two classes the day before The link is down in the description. You can go there and see them and sign up Uh, so please check that out if you're gonna be at can con if you're gonna be there the day early Uh, I would love to have you I would love to to sit down with you and paint some minis Uh, I need to remember to mention that more because I we we worked it all out And then I dropped it in the description and then completely forgot to talk about it because my schedule is so hectic But at any rate, uh, yes, thank you and anybody else who's interested is going to be at can con Please spread the word. Please share. I would love to have those classes fill up and beyond if we get them full You know, we'll see what we can do for fitting more in so please Everybody on board. It's going to be a great time Uh Very good awesome coach. I hope to see you there, buddy Um All right, so managers here's why I like managers um They hit quite hard even by the standards of the ogre army Um, they have a decent ranged attack. Okay And they're been there done that allows you to let them run in charge Which when combined with being hungry Actually makes them quite a mobile threat in the army for which is good for the ogres on foot Um, because you know, you can then with your command points set them at 14 plus a charge, right? Um, which I think is pretty darn decent Uh, so I like managers. I'm not sure I love managers A huge amount 180 Uh, but I like managers. I think they're like I think they're solid. I think they're as we mentioned earlier. I think they're super fun conversions And I think like just maybe a pack of like Three of them. Yeah, three of them at 180 is what they are. Um, but I think even a three pack of them is like Interesting, that's what I'll say. Yes. You're not getting the same wound to point ratio but higher offense good mobility They're an interesting option. That's that's what I'll say I think I'd love them even more at 160, but I think they're worth trying as a three pack That's my statement. So there you go. Yeah I like it. Yeah, cool. All right gentlemen. Well, I think we've we have uh We've uh, we've tenderized this meat. Go ahead. Make your final point Uh I like the book Yeah, sure Like I I know that a lot of people have been a little bit negative about it, but like I like this book like I like this book so much. I'm considering a thousand point army of it, right? I this is exactly kind of Other than like I mentioned, there's there's some things that are like Darn, I wish they had fixed some language here and there. I think we all see that like the huskards kind of a A whiff the priest is kind of a whiff. They could have cleaned up the ice brow hunter a little more But all in all, this is a good book with lots of interesting options and units that I want to put on the table That's the hallmark of a good book. It's not overwritten. It's not overtly complicated. It's compelling It's interesting the rules are straightforward. They all make sense together It grocks and you can see how the army would work And by the way, we talked to like five different builds tonight that all seem like competitive ish That's great Brent summation thoughts before we call it a day anything else you want to say I think you got it all there at least for me Why i'm really excited about this book too is yes, it's pretty obvious that it is not Overpowered and I think which is good Which is good the best place that a book can land is that you know again back to Game's workshop wants to cater to a lot of people great if you want to play more competitive Seems like we found some good options for that But also if you're playing more casual then you're not going to have a bad play experience with just you know The army is on the table and therefore Too good like no, I think you can Take this book and you can cater your play experience to Whatever, you know you and your group want to do and that's I think what i'm typically looking for in A new battle tone is the ability to Go both ways Agreed All right, so this meat is tenderized. Let's throw it on the grill gentlemen. We're ready to go I hope you're all hungry Because I think this is a great one. I want to see more like this in the future Everybody wish me luck. Uh, hopefully after this weekend. I have 2 000 points of painted ogres ready to go You'll see the outcome of it in 24 hours in an upcoming video. So there you go Don't forget about the can con classes. Tom will again forget to remind me next week But thank you if you watch this far into it Uh, but as always we very much appreciate you watching Thank you for putting up with youtube being a little finicky tonight and dropping the stream a few times But as always we appreciate it and we'll see you next wednesday