 So I am monitoring, so I'm monitoring questions in three places. So off of the broadcast itself, live streaming off of my Facebook stream, my Facebook page as well as there's a watch party that's running over on the Office 365 community on Facebook as well. So you can post questions to those three locations. We're simulcasting and we'll try to address those. So as other folks join, if you're watching, if you'd like to join in, ask questions directly to us. If you're not a fan of Facebook and want to ask your questions over in the meeting, yes, we are hosting this on Zoom and we'll have, I'm sure half a dozen people that say like, why are you presenting this on Zoom? Why is the Microsoft community broadcasting things on Zoom? It's because folks, we're live streaming and you cannot live stream simulcast to social networks from teams. And so we have to use a third party technology. So rather than using two tools, we're using one tool that does this for the live stream. But we are talking about setting up with Vmix or Mixer, a couple of other tools that are out there and moving the discussion to, I guess I'll put that broadcast now, to move this all over to teams as soon as possible. Sorry, I'm responding to questions coming in. So we've got panelists that are trying to join that saw the live stream and the broadcast button that I hit. And all right, now I can add people in here. And we have Mr. Sean McDonough that's joining in. Hey, Sean. Good morning, Christian. Yeah, I guess I should have hit that little button that said broadcast. Yeah, so. That's the little things. Yeah, yeah, it's all good. But how are things going this morning? Oh, they're going pretty well. It's a nice sunny day here in Cincinnati. And what's the T-shirt you're wearing? Oh. Ha ha ha ha. Nice. Going out to the developers. Yeah, I told you I've got my $6 shirts order that I'm waiting for, still waiting for. Still waiting for? Yeah, I got the, I didn't get after my order was placed like a week and a half ago. I never got the email confirmation. And so I reached out to support. Did you click the buy button? Oh, I did. The broadcast button. I got the confirmation that the transaction happened, but they usually follow up because I've purchased through them before, right away with an email saying, hey, here's when it's going to be delivered. Here's what's going on. So they got back and said, hey, we're at minimal staff. Everything's delayed. And so it's going to be like mid-May. Yeah, so that's, I was just, you know, not receiving the email. I mean, you don't know. And knowing's happened at all. G.I. Joe. Exactly G.I. Joe. Yeah, let me share, let me share a brief story with you on that. So normally, G.I. Joe? Not G.I. Joe this time. But Friday nights are typically our movie and pizza night. And this past Friday, I went online to order the pizza through the website and the site was like crawling. Long story short, I had a session going on my desktop browser, the mobile app trying to order as well. And I finally get an order submitted after 45 minutes of waiting for this. And I was also trying to call in the customer service who put me on a 30 minute hold. So I'm like, are we going to get pizza tonight or not? I'm not quite sure. Well, while I'm waiting for the email confirmation to come through, the pizza gets delivered to the front door. So that's a good tip then, or the good time to tip to make sure. I had already done so, yes. All right, excellent. Hey, so we've got Mike and we've got Hans that joined us. Welcome. Hey, go in. And so, and for those folks that are tuning in, so again, we're broadcasting or simulcasting the live stream in two locations out on Facebook. If you have questions, feel free to post. We are also, so I need to turn on the modules. We've got the Q&A and chat modules over here in Zoom. And I've said this once at the beginning of the broadcast before I hit the broadcast button so nobody was on with me. Because we always inevitably get three, four people that are complaining about why are the Microsoft community people, why are MVPs using Zoom? Like how dare you, sir, how dare you? And the reason is because you're watching this on the live stream and the live stream is brought to you by Zoom. Not possible to do the live stream on social networks directly from teams yet. I know it's in the, it's been requested. And so you have to use a third party tool. And so I use Zoom for webinars, so for public anonymous access webinars. So anyway, I stated this, gotten it out of the way, it'll only pop up four or five more times during this hour. There are other reasons, there are other reasons as well. Yeah, I know, yeah. So I've seen some folks that have done, certainly with webinars, you can always use teams and do your teams live and the broadcast, but then there are limitations to that. And so even then it won't do the simulcast with, you know, I can go and certainly we can invite the world and send a link to anybody to join a webinar. You can do that with any webinar technology. The purpose here is reaching people where they are. And for whatever reason, people are in Facebook. So, yeah. You're just beating your drum, Christian. You don't hate guardrails. Keep running with scissors. That's right. Hey, so I do have something I wanna bring up. So I've had a couple of questions, but I've seen, so I've had questions on Facebook. I had a blog post. I had somebody that's asked a couple of questions around Planner and the task management capability and teams and integration with Microsoft Project. Anyone else have any experience with those things? I know some folks that have set up blogs to kind of mitigate. Yeah, believe it or not. Yeah. Believe it or not, it's to work with what we got. Yeah, mitigate with what you have to get done. You know, if you have to use chicken wire and duct tape, that's what you have to do. Well, this is the thing. So I know that we, like I don't have yet on my tenant, I don't have the new tasks, capability and teams. I'm not sure if it's even started rolling out. They're just sharing pictures and a little animated gifts and things around it. I don't think it's there. It should be over on the left rail when it's added. But all that does, that provides you a rollup view of the To Do app. So it's a sync between Planner and To Do as a list on teams, which is fantastic. But what it doesn't provide is what people are asking for. And I've been asking for, for, you know, when I joined Microsoft in 2006, I've shared the story and I've provided feedback coming from the project and portfolio management space. When I joined Microsoft, I mean, I provided tons of feedback as well. But is that portfolio view? Planner is not designed to provide a portfolio view. It's limited in what it can do. There is a way, and it's not new, it actually from late the second half of 2017 is where they announced kind of the capability of the way to link a Planner app directly to an item on a task on a work breakdown structure in project. It requires Project Online to do that. So you have to have, and that, you know, Project Online is a separate license. So it's not part of any of the e-license, but you can have an e1 all the way up and subscribe then, pay for those additional licenses and get this capability. I was gonna share just to show you what this looks like really quick. Let me, you know, apologize, Gents, for taking over to answer this question, but it's kind of what we're here for, right? Yeah. Let me- Project's always been the black sheep. Yeah. Let me just switch- Even with their own server. She's the elitist. So let me do this. We have Microsoft Office servers. Remember that? Microsoft almost all the Office servers, yeah. So let me share that. Okay. So if you guys can, I guess I'll shut this stuff. So when you have multiple plans in Planner, so you can have, as great when Microsoft added the ability to have multiple Planner plans or boards within a single channel or within a single team. I remember when it was initially, you could just have one and that's it for a team. And so now you can go in and create as many sub-plans as you want. And so one of the questions somebody asked on my blog was like, well, for example, if I have a project that's up and running, but then I have a specific campaign, I want to take one task and explode it out and work on it. Well, Planner is great at that. However, there's no roll-up to manage that within Planner. So here I went in, so let's say I have this general plan. I just did these very generic in teams. I created a plan called General Plan and then I created these two campaign plans. So you can see, so I could go into my Planner hub and I can see them at this top level, but to get to any of the detail within that, I have to go into them individually. So there's no portfolio view within Planner. Of course, I can get into that aggregated that my tasks, I can see them all from my perspective and we're gonna get richer capability when that team's plan or the team's tasks app is added to everyone's tenant. There are a couple articles that I'll point you to if this is something that you're interested in. There's this great blog post by Peter Kestenholz where he talks about, again, this is September 2017 where he actually shows you highlights where you can actually go in and in your project online project plan, you can actually click on the Planner icon and you'll see here in this image, it actually will then link that item and it's a soft link. Essentially, in that plan, you'd have to click over here to jump over to the related Planner plan, but you could create then a mini work breakdown structure for completing new flyers as a task and then assign it to a bunch of people and go and complete that. So, otherwise, what happens is you can export your work breakdown structure in your project plan and create that over in Planner with all of its assignments, but then when you do that and you export, it breaks the hereditary from that. It won't maintain any real-time connection between the two other than this soft link. So, you can't then go in Planner, complete all the tasks, and that rolls up and shows as complete within project. That, my opinion, is a serious gap in capability for project. And so, Microsoft, of course, if you go and do a search for Microsoft Support, there's this information, which I've included in multiple presentations that I've given on the topic about which tool to use when, but just remember that they're what I just showed you, the standalone capabilities. And here, this is back in October, 2017. For that portfolio view in Project Online, there is this idea of a portfolio view. So, there is more that you can do, and this is within the agile or scrum capability within Project Online. So, you can actually go and set up, again, this is separate from Planner, but it would seem to be a logical place to have an integration, and I don't have any news there, between the agile methodology, this Kanban model in Project Online with Planner, but that is not there today. They are separate. You can export, you can create that soft link, as they show here, over to a plan, but there is no continuity between the two. And that's all that I wanted to share about that. Well, it seems like to me, it's not the only instance of continuity between the apps. I mean, if you take a look at it, I mean, having the Kanban between Planner and Teams and Tasks, I mean, you can have those tiles, and then not being able to integrate the three together, but not even being able to integrate them into Power BI or anything like that. So there's a lot of connectivity that's happening. It would be great to be able to, I think what this one person on my blog was saying, what he wants is, if I've got my, even if I had, even if there's not a direct relation between the two, like I finish all the tasks here, the PM still needs to go manually update them in Project MS Project. It would be great if it had a relationship and when you complete it in one place, it's completed there. That's one of the benefits of using Planner for a lot of this, for the task management, is because if I'm assigned a task, that might be part of a plan, a board that I never go into, but when I mark it as complete, that rolls up. I just want it to roll all the way up to that portfolio view. But what would be a great in between, and Mike, I think this kind of addresses what you've mentioned. If I have a plan in Planner, and I want to take one task or a couple tasks and blow that out to a sub-plan, I would like that to roll up. So then I could have across multiple channels, even across multiple teams, I could have these multiple plans or boards, but I can go up and I could create that portfolio view from one location and it maintains the relationships with the subboards. So again, folks, that doesn't exist today. Kind of shines a spotlight on the two disparate data models and lack of interactivity between the two. So yeah, and so this is one of those complaints when I say that I've been providing this feedback back to Microsoft. So back in 2001, I started working with one of the first SaaS solutions for project management. So I worked with a company called Project Arena, and I think they've been resold and I'm not sure names have been away from the space for a long time, but there were multiple solutions that were out there that were non-Microsoft, of course, but did this, had that portfolio view because I mean, this goes back into, I maintain portfolio views in spreadsheets, created them all manually back into the mid-90s. And so it's not a new problem. And so I've been, it's a reason why, one of the primary reasons why I attempted to deploy Project Server back in 2005, which included a deployment of SharePoint, which is how I got into the SharePoint space. So anyway, all right. So there's project activities. What else is going on? Any other questions that you guys have seen from the community over the last week? You know, a lot of questions, obviously, from a community standpoint are around virtual conferences, not from a, you know, not a product point of view, but just going virtual with Ignite and things like that. I actually had an interesting conversation on a happy hour, you know, that's a thing to do nowadays is to have these virtual happy hours, you know, because you can't get together anymore. So they've been asking a lot of questions about Ignite and how that's going to work with, you know, 14, 17,000 people all getting together and trying to use Teams, huh? Trying to use Teams or that type of scale, yeah. Yeah, and I know that was brought up with the discussion around Inspire being the first event where I've not seen any news on it, but I know that there's been some with groups of MVPs, you know, some community folks providing feedback back to Microsoft on what we'd like to see. Anna Chu provided, it did a tweet jam a week ago, I think a little over a week ago where she was looking for feedback specifically around Ignite. I wasn't able to participate, I had another session going on. But the missing link is that the personal connections you can't, one of the benefits of Inspire and Ignite, it's not the content. There's some great content, there's announcements that will be made. You can still dial into keynotes, but it's being able to walk over and talk to somebody at the product team booth. It's the vendor booths to go investigate other solutions, to see community sessions and then sit and talk with people and the connections that are made and how do you replicate that? We need a Tinder app or we need Second Life inside of Teams. Swipe, swipe, swipe. That is an attractive one drive MVP. I'm gonna, okay. It's the hallway conversations, you know, that are the biggest miss and it's meeting people sitting in the hang space or, you know, being in front of the monitors and just kind of hanging out, even going, you know, walking down the hall there where everybody just kind of goes to the community area and stuff, you just run into people. And it's people you haven't seen in years. I mean, there are people who haven't seen them in 10 years and all of a sudden like, holy cow. But, you know, when it comes down to it, it's not only that, but it's the sense of not being involved. You know, some of the folks are saying that they really don't make a contact connection, I should say, with being involved in the event and they've got to, you know, hop into a session here and schedule and move around and, you know, jump around and sometimes you get called away. It's not like actually being at the event where you kind of dedicate yourself to the event. And, you know, it's becoming a different way of thinking, a different way of, you know, of doing things for folks and they're having a hard time adjusting to it. Yeah, no dim typhoon. What was that, Hal? I said, no dim typhoon. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, when you think about the amount of time that you spend just sitting in sessions, I mean, a lot of folks don't even go to sessions anymore because they're recorded, right? So a lot of them are just, it's all about networking. It's all about the community. I spent, I used to be the first time that I went to a night when it was TechEd, obviously, that was like, I filled my schedule, I mean, from the beginning of the day down until, you know, nine o'clock at night and then it was all drinking time after that. And that was for, you know, three, four days straight. Now when I go, I'm lucky if I have three or four sessions and it's just because I'm involved in so many other things. There's so many other things that I want to do and talk to people and go to other places like other hotels where they have other meetings and they have all this other kind of stuff going on. So it's really, it's different. So the last 2019, it was 75% networking and 25% meetings are, let's say sessions. Well, and obviously there's, you know, for the five of us are all MVPs and so we have, you know, regular meetings, they seem to have increased for some reason. But where we have at least monthly calls with MVPs where we're getting previews, we're talking about the new features as we're getting closer to a major event or major announcements, some of those may increase in frequency. We're seeing a lot more meetings, you know, MVP calls on specific product areas. And so we might have four or five calls in a month, every month leading up to that. So obviously for us going to these events, the content that's being presented might be less valuable than the networking. We're not, you know, trying to say that the content's not important, especially if you're having those sessions. But to your point though, Mike, is that it's easier to consume that. Great example is that because an event that's global like Ignite or Inspire or Build that's coming up the soonest is a global event. They have to repeat sessions. The benefit is that if you're physically there, there's only so many sessions you can go in and participate in. When you're having the duplicate sessions in the same day, they'll do them early in the day for Amia in North America and then late into the evening for APAC. It means that like during the MVP summit where they did this, I was able to consume twice. It's not like I just went to the same number of sessions spread over that day. I was doing eight, nine, 10 hours of content each day because there was so much more that I could consume. Like I'm passionate about certainly the project side of things as well as the collaboration, the SharePoint team stuff, but I was able to sit in a ton of stuff around Azure, start to participate in more of the dynamic stuff. And so things that I just wouldn't be able to do physically and so that's a huge benefit. But I think is what we're all agreed. I mean, there's figuring out a way to get people to do these ad hoc connections is gonna be critical to I think the long-term success of doing these virtually. One of the questions that came up was during the conversation was, how do I prepare to do this? And I'm like, well, that was really easy to do when we were going in person because people would tell you what, how to pack, where to go, what kind of transportation to use, how to get from the airport to the conference center and where the best places to eat are and the best places to hang out, so on and so forth. But now it's like, how do you do this virtually? Some folks are like, are we gonna get a content catalog or are we gonna go through that? And I'm sure that's all gonna happen, but it's just, it's kind of the unknown right now. Any other topics, anything else? Besides, I get some people that are, as I mentioned at the beginning that are complaining that we're using Zoom for the live stream. Folks, if you do any kind of webinars, if you're familiar with web meetings and all these technologies, you know that what teams can't do is live streaming what we're doing here. And that's why we're using the technology. Yeah, we are talking about moving over and adding a different third party solution to be able to live stream and set up with OBS, for example, that'll allow us to simulcast on multiple streams and then do things versus teams. But yeah, the teams live events, again, doesn't live stream. It is a webinar, it will broadcast. So then you'll still then have to live stream it using a third party solution. And so we've simplified this, we're using one tool rather than having to run teams and another third party solution which has its inherent problems. And if you've run into those and I've participated in some and the technical glitches that happen where this just works for us. So. You need to put up a sign in the corner of your screen that says something like this. Yeah. You just flashed that every once in a while. So let me ask this, are there any other of you that have heard about this is that a lot of the live streamers now, obviously the Facebook is a problem. Christian, you and I are agreement on that. I'm totally anti-Facebook, but some people are going to Twitch, right? So my son is broadcasting on Twitch. I thought it was an all gamer type of thing, but there are quite a few technology streams out there on Twitch channel. So that's kind of interesting. Yeah. And there's a restream of course. And so we've talked about that, whether we broadcast and just share it via Twitter versus YouTube. And the problem with both of those places is that there's not a standing community like a room where we could go and simulcast too. And unfortunately right now it's like Facebook is the place where all of the winers about Zoom are complaining about it on there. It's like, but the reality is that- They keep your audience there, Christian. Yeah. Well, just look, I mean, hey, the people that are whining, those people that are whining about just using Zoom, they're also not asking any questions. So they're just haters gonna hate. Haters gonna hate, exactly. And in the meantime, people that actually have questions, who cares what platform it's on? You got a question, ask the question. Yeah. We're making ourselves available, ask your questions. I think Hal had something, Hal. Oh, I was just going to say, that's what the Society of Broadcast Engineers has elected on for their monthly webinars is Twitch. The interface, not all that much different than this one, all that is considered. It's kind of the same, but different. It also has an iterated capabilities and of course questions and answers and things like that. It's interesting that you bring that up though because my first acquaintance that was just a couple of months ago when the Society of Broadcast Engineers was well organized and started up. And alternatively, there are some pretty good game streams out there. Yeah. Are you guys gamer? Oh yeah, big time. Yeah, I don't game at all. It's like everybody looks at me, that's a nerd. And they're like, you don't game. I'm like, no. Mike, you're out, you're out. How many times a game? You guys are out. Cut them, Christian. Custom, cut them. Yeah, I just, I look, it was a very important part of my childhood, especially, you know, junior high was, you know, my dad, in fact, this is a strong memory, a positive memory with my dad was some Saturday picking up my buddy on the way and we had kind of saved up our quarters and went down to the arcade. And so like an hour and a half into it, burned through my stash, went over and it was like, you know, well, my dad's not gonna show up to pick us up for like another hour. And I'm walking and I look at the games. And there's my dad. Never left. Well, hey, you threw on asteroids or a centipede in front of me. You know, I'm all over that. But when you start getting into this role player stuff, I mean, I'm watching my son play Fortnite. I actually get a little motion sickness, you know, just from the first person thing. And to me, it's all about, it's all about blowing people away. It's all about, you know, it's kind of crazy when you, you know, it's still a family channel. I actually enjoy, I actually enjoy Minecraft. You know, I enjoy blowing people away. I enjoy Minecraft really. Yeah, Minecraft's awesome. It's all based beyond. Well, you know, it's a, so, you know, Sean and I have many conversations and see each other online. I mean, there are certain things where, yeah, most of them, like I just, I can't get into some of those games. However, you know, there's certain ones, like I'm a huge TF2 Team Fortress 2. Yeah, Team Fortress 2. I love Team Fortress 2. And then I play the Lord of the Rings games because I'm a massive World of the Rings guy. And so the shadow of war, the latest one is, I mean, I just, I played it last night for about 45 minutes. So it's a, you know, if I've got, I'm taking a break and want to go and just kind of let the mind relax from the work activities or whatever else is going on to go and kill a few hundred orcs. I can verify this in the middle of the day. I'll see my little steam, contact thing pop up and there's Christian. That's all I'll do is I, you know, to act like a moose wiggle, walking, yeah, walking the dogs or, or going on and the, and I love TF2 if you've not seen it because the designers, I think that the creator, the designer of the characters was the same guy who created the Incredibles. Oh. It's a very distinctive art style. Yeah. So they all look like they're characters from Incredibles. It's, it's a lot of fun. So. Maybe she, maybe she can try that out a little bit more and give it, give it, give it another shot because I was just like, I just didn't get into it that much. But. Yeah, there's some very funny videos on YouTube, promo videos for each of the character types like the heavy and the scout and the other character types and TF2. Pretty funny. I'm gonna try that. What is he, Hans, what are you doing? I guess we're getting a tour of Hans' house. Yeah. Hans, don't go in the bathroom. No, turn it off. I didn't see that. Oh. Oh, somebody, so Wasp is asking, hey, can we do a live translation on chat in Teams? Like if he's speaking to somebody who's, talk to somebody on Teams who's speaking French, can it do a live translation to English? No. Yeah. Not yet, but if you're doing a Powerpoint presentation with Teams, you can set Powerpoint up to do that. Talk about Teams as that it is on the roadmap. And they talked about that a little bit during the Teams call that they have every other week. And they said that it's something that they're gonna do. They're just taking the AI that they use for the Powerpoint and moving it over to Teams. Yeah. It's a chat portion. Yeah, it's a textual chat. You know, it's not the spoken word because they're focusing more on the spoken word than actual converting text. So you can get translator to do that text conversion for you in another window, but if you want it, you know, the spoken word, then it's, you know, they gotta use AI for that. So there was the Microsoft translator in a few years back. So the way that you can do that, again, it's not within Teams, but where I was actually able to do this in real time the translation was pretty decent, but I had to have the Microsoft translator open on that site and the camera on me. And so I had some Spanish speakers that were sitting there with headphones, watching through the translator app on their laptop. And as it was capturing my audio, it was doing some of the translation. Fluent Spanish, I wasn't behind looking at the accuracy of that, but they followed along, they stayed in my session the entire hour. And, you know. That's saying something. Right, I know. Yeah. You sure they weren't sleeping? No, I'm sorry. What, Sean? What? But you think about it, the chat part, I mean, that's any participant, right? So, and it's coming over in text, it's not something that, you'd have to have like an API that reads, you know, that chat window. And I'm sure teams, maybe it's a private API, but... It's a tie into Azure Translation Services, I believe so. Cognitive Services? One of them, whether it's speech or text, audio or text. Okay. I may be misspoken on that and if somebody knows for sure, feel free to correct me, but I think that's what it is. Especially with all the stuff that we have to do remote now, it's definitely be a benefit because, you know, a lot of the conversation happens in this chat and Lord knows if you bring teams and you come in as a guest, then you can't see the chat. Right. You know, which is, for any teams, people out there, blame. Those poor folks, I, they've been beat on for years. I know when we had the, of course there's two different pains in particular around that with teams. There's the switching into the, staying with the same identity but switching into a different tenant. And then there's the changing identities, logging out and log back in. But I know some of those problems exist because I go back and forth between anonymous with a different account and whatnot. If you switch into the tenant, if you go up and you have that available, like for instance, whenever Microsoft's doing a call, if I'm actually in another tenant at the time, regardless of who I'm signed in as, I won't see the chat dialogue and chat options. But if I switch into that tenant from Microsoft, they'll pop up. So. And that was pretty apparent during the MVP, some of these, you know, depending on what you came in at. But, you know, and, but they prioritize, right? So, you know, virtual backgrounds, virtual backgrounds had to be there first. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Yeah. Now they have virtual, they have videos. They have virtual videos. You can put in the background. No, that's for Zoom. I don't think you can do that in Teams. Teams just images. No, you can do it with Teams if you splice in with, for instance, the Xsplit, which is one of the tools that webcasters will typically use in particular gamers. You can splice into video feeds. And I know that Vessa has been doing that with him, walking back to get his water bottle for the 150th time. Yeah. But that's Xsplit. You've seen some examples of that. I like the, my favorite one is the, you just go along as time, it's just like the door to his office. And then suddenly the door opens and he walks into his own meeting and kind of like, oh, oh, sorry, it goes back out. And then has that on a long loop. That's pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah. I saw one where it's actually a person sitting there and it's the whole, you know, 30 minutes of the person looking at screens and moving around and being on mute. And then all of a sudden they walk into the room. So they're sitting there on the screen and walk into the room and they sit down in their perfect frame, right with the video. Yeah. So devious things you'd be able to do that kind of thing. Were you at the meeting? Were you not at the meeting? Who knows? Well, some schools are happening that my wife actually showed me a post that went viral about a 10 year old girl that had created a video of herself sitting in her classroom or online classroom. That's fantastic. Yeah, she was out playing with the dog or something. Her mom asked her, you know, what are you supposed to be in your class? And she's like, oh, I just recorded a video of myself and I'm playing the video. She's 10 years old. You fangled technology. Gosh, started. Yeah. Lot of comments over in the watch party about streaming still. And yeah, I know it's confusing. Some folks that say, what are you talking about? Teams will stream. Like no, teams will post a recording or a webinar over to stream, Microsoft stream, which is not a live stream to, I don't know, Fred, that's not what you're saying with what you just shared, but it's a... And I heard they're actually putting a watermark on there now. So teams, when you actually create a video, we'll throw a watermark in the beginning. That one, Asti. I know, I'm like, why? I mean... Isn't it just for like the first five seconds, though? Yeah, yeah. So we were recording... Now you know. Yeah, we were recording a team session for the Dutch PowerShell group. And the Dutch PowerShell group, they actually say when they're getting ready to record they say, okay, just stand by and the speaker, please freeze for five seconds and don't say anything because they added out the watermark. Magnus makes it, raises a great point. He just commented, this is on gaming. This is I'm helping an association here in Sweden to develop their summer camp in Minecraft, EDU. Oh, cool. And the kids love it. They're building the campgrounds and surrounding. So it was an excellent project planning tool with powerful help for visualizations. You know, honestly, I think with a lot of the, you know, when they announced like the SharePoint Spaces and some of the earlier versions of the VR and even AR capabilities were just very rudimentary and far behind where a lot of the gaming platforms already were. And so it's a fantastic learning tool. Yeah, so that's a great... Spaces is coming along pretty nicely. I mean, they are continuing to add features to it. Semi-regularly, but I don't know ultimately what that is going to end up doing. I'm in the preview for that, so. Yeah, I know a few people were excited about SharePoint Conference. I don't know that they were going to, if they were going to announce something at Build or SPC around that space. I expect to see a few things for Ignite. So I'm not sure what's in the roadmap for Build. So yeah, be watching for that. But I know that they're going to be sharing more info on what's happening with Spaces this year. Yeah, it's continuing to bake out. Yeah, very cool. Any other questions? Any other stuff that you gentlemen have seen from the community questions that we can discuss here, bring up, whether through your social channels or blogs or related. And any questions from those that are watching the live stream that we can answer for you? Well, I will say there's been, I don't know if anybody out there really works with Azure with the MFA. They made a big change recently. They released earlier this last week, was around the ability, we have a multi-factor authentication. The ability now to do multi-factor authentication and self-service password reset. And the users can do that. Now it used to be an admin thing. But now you have a lot more flexibility with that. One of the biggest complaints I had with larger organizations was, we don't want to manage this. We want the users to manage that. And that's always been kind of a tripping point with the multi-factor. So that was kind of a big thing. Yeah, I was just looking for a link to... I tweeted it last week, let me find it for you. Posted in the chat here, I'll share it out to Facebook. Awesome. And that there's... Sean, are you able to grab anything for those that might be interested on SharePoint Spaces, just a link that you can also share? Yeah, let me see what I can pull up. Yeah, just share it up in the chat and I'll post it out to the Facebook live stream. Oh, and the other thing. Yeah. Get help, just free for teams. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Totally awesome. That was big news. Yeah, I tweeted that stuff out when I saw those announcements go through. Yeah, if you're... I'll share that link out as well. And somebody just posted a question and says, what are your thoughts on cloud voicemail? Microsoft replaced unified messaging, but there doesn't seem to have enough documentation about it. Voicemail is in the PBX, they offer with the E5. Is that what we were talking about? The E5 subscription with Office 365, you get the PBX in the cloud? I'm not sure. Okay. Well, I mean, the PBX in the cloud is only for E5 subscriptions. So if that's actually what they're talking about, I mean, that's just a virtual PBX, like a 3C or whatever are up in the cloud that allows for voicemails. I mean, if I don't understand the question correctly. Yeah, so Watson-Fassidian responding, yes, but... So I just posted a link. This one's from Stefan Bauer. It was towards a tail end of last year, but SharePoint supports 3D model previews now. And that's something that's tied to spaces. Pacing that in to the chat as well. Spaces, a team and teams for the preview is active, but there's not a lot of, you're not gonna see posts every day. They kind of come in fits and spur, so it's different things come out and different announcements are made. I forgot. I just saw my little note and a reminder or some things to bring. I forgot, I was gonna start things off by commenting about how I was gonna complain about not being able to get out and get a haircut. Not a problem for the rest of the group this morning. Ha ha ha ha ha. Join the club, Christian. Come to the dark side. We have quicker showers. Good times. All right, yeah, any other, yeah, so see if you've said any other questions. Hans, what's happening in your world? What's new in the news of Mr. if those that don't know Hans based in Germany, Mr. OneDrive, what's new in the OneDrive world? Oh, I'm working on a bot and a bot with two other MVPs from Austria and they want to digitize me before I worry about it. So I have to do all my knowledge about OneDrive. And you know, if I start, I never end. That means if you say hello, that comes a lot of sentence, but it's a horrible story because the tools of Microsoft in this stuff is not that prepared. We have to wait a little bit. So I have now five on the question and then I have to decide, hey, that's other question. This bot is running first in teams. So in teams, you have user and the last 10 years, I only have to speak with spoken with IT people. So the questions, I have to do it in a very new thing because these people, the user have other questions with OneDrive than I normally have and answer it. So that's the difference. And yes, it will come more and more with this stuff, means now you have the possibility with OneDrive to go to your Explorer and see the version history there. So I say the Windows Explorer is coming down and it's a representation layer about the SharePoint libraries. And that it's a good thing, but it takes a little bit more time and then you can search and all these stuff and you have although you do not have to go to a browser. And that's for me, many, many people see, hey, I want to do it with a word, I want to do it with the browser, not with the browser, with the Windows Explorer and I do not want to switch. And therefore for these people, it's a good story that they come up. Opening a browser is a pain. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, can I ask you a question that came up? It's kind of been a pain for me as a sharing in OneDrive. So the ability to actually share a direct link, it's always been kind of a pain. Doesn't clicks required? Yeah, the number of clicks required compared to other services that offer that, but also a direct link to the file because you always get a link to that opens up, it'll open up a browser and you get to the folder view, but it's not actually a direct download of the file. No, the question is, you have to see the story about sharing is a little bit complicated. So in my, I give a lot of presentations and in this slide deck, so eight hour slide deck, only about one drive. There are 100 slides about sharing. It's not easy and Microsoft is changing the world and will do that. And sometimes they share some information and say it's easier for you, yes, but you have to know several times, let's say for external sharing, because we cannot share. Sometimes the people are not allowed. So that's the story, it's great. And that means the story about behind the scene, the security story is not so easy to understand and to translate. So I do a lot of things and that's all though, what can be happen? It could be, yes. And therefore it's not so easy to say, yes, it's easy. Sometimes it's a little bit complicated. Yeah, and I'm just comparing it to, I mean, obviously like Dropbox or Box or something like that where it's a little bit easier to do an anonymous type of share that just gives you direct access to the file. You can't really do that in one drive. You have to have some kind of permission on that file. So it's a little different. And I think it's got something to do also maybe with the SharePoint routes. Yeah, because the layer is between that because the layer between the stuff is SharePoint and therefore you have to look for the rights in there. And at the beginning, that was easy. Now they'll say, okay, we want to have it easy. If I share it with you over next time ruling, you can close it. It could be automatically close the stuff. That means, yes, I shared it for you, three months on less than 90 days. They have to do it in a different ways. An enterprise company has to say, we want to have it more. So now you can have it 730 days, that means two years. But anyway, if you started and have to say, yes, 90 days or 14 days, the link will automatically be closed. And that's the best thing what we can do. But sometimes the people has to say, the administrators in this stuff have to say, we want to do it first. We want, no, no external link. So if I say, so today I was a question in the morning, he says, okay, I want to request the files, but the link will not show up. What do I run? It's not run because you must be able to open for external. And if the admins has to say, no external, you cannot have request the files. But we request the files. And Tony Redmond, although I save it very clearly, you can request the files if you are a while, but the problem is I can give you although an XE file with virus and so on, not this virus we now have all these days, but I can show it all the inside because I have no control there. And I asked, although the broken truth from OneDrive, why do you do not have all the time? The time is in there, the standard time, but we do not want to do it in this way. And I said, yes, you can do it in a different way. But there are only, most of the time there are only two visits, easy for the user and although there's security stuff, and that's not so easy to share with you. Reminds me a lot of file explorer view on top of SharePoint document libraries. Oh yeah. It's actually very simple, but when you get into the layer upon layer of web DAV on top of that, along with the IIS extensions and everything that falls, once everything finally goes through, it's anything but simple. It's like, why is performance so bad? Well, when you've got to traverse three or four logical layers to actually get down to the other side, it gets very busy very quick and what Hans was saying sounds very reminiscent of that. I have to say there's scenarios like this where there's a reason why some of these other third party solutions, these cloud storage solutions may still have very robust sales pipelines. And we wanna have a fully integrated solution and it's great to have for my needs, OneDrive more than meets the needs for that, but for a lot of these special cases, especially when you're talking about these old file shares and organizations that have built very complex scenarios and integrations, customizations off of their file shares, it's not so easy as, hey, let's just go and move it across and integrate with OneDrive and there's valid use cases for having some of these other solutions that are out there. And that's been a sticking point with some of the, I apologize, Hans, the sticking point is around, for years has been around SFTP. So you haven't been able to do an SFTP even in the Azure services and that's always been something that the folks that run Azure files have just been hammered on this in terms of why can't we have SFTP? I've got enterprises that are saying, hey, we just want one solution where we can manage files. We don't want multiple solutions. So if you give me one solution that you can do all of these things instead of having it well and you shake your head, no Hans, but there's a third party out there that's got that is close to that. I mean, when you take a look at box, there are no slouch and they do have that external capability and they do have that SFTP capability. So it's, you know, if you want to incorporate that off they're going to focus all their money on files, Azure files over OneDrive or however that priority mixes in, you know, it's something that this should be thought of. But the problem is also for enterprise if you take and ask for large files. So I have a company that's construction company and the lifetime of the documents they have is about 10 years. They're started with 10,000 documents. They're started. And at the end of the 10 years they have 600,000 documents and that's not handle them. You have to stop it to 300,000 files. And I asked the product group and they say, no way this time. So for enterprise and large document that's a different one. You have enterprise companies with many, many users and small portions, that's okay. But if you have a big thing and only small people that say 100, 120 people then you can all travel because of so many files folder beef and so on. And that it's a little bit struggling. Hans, I've got a question. What does the height of the people using the technology have to do with anything? Small people. You just constantly talking about small people. I don't think that it... Jesus, it goes so small, yeah. Yeah, all right, but I guess that's my way to transition into the end of this session. Oh, Christian. So that just tells me something about Hans and his prejudice against short people. And on that note. Well, hey, well thank you gentlemen for joining this session. Thanks for everybody that's been watching the live streams out on Facebook. And we'll of course, I'll post this stuff out to YouTube here today. I've got a few, the back recordings going up today as well with some guidance, links to be able to jump to the points of the conversation where we're talking about each of the different problem areas. So we'll be back next week. Everybody here is invited to join. It's air every Monday, same time, same hour. And of course, for those that are really glutton for punishment and want to complain about us using Zoom for live streaming, we'll be back this evening at six p.m. Pacific, where we'll be connecting with folks from if the Facebook API works this week. And if Christian's ability to click a button. There's that as well to officially start things, but we'll be doing that again this evening. So thanks everybody for joining. All right, take care everyone. Thanks. A lot of experience I will defer to Shawn there on what it is they're actually looking for. But what I'm kind of myself hoping to do is to bring some old computer science to where new computer scientists. There's an awful lot of stuff that's happened over the last 20 years that computers are still computers. They kind of program the same way. The language has changed, but not how they work. So I think it would be kind of fun if there's any interest in that sort of thing to provide a little history for those of us who started out on the TRS-AD Model 1. Yeah, I had a trash 80 color computer myself. I got three of them. One, two, and a three. Oh, cool. Yeah, actually I learned assembly programming on a 6502 processor. The Commodore 64 and the Apple IIe both had 6502s from Motorola. And that's where I got my kind of kickstart, if you will. And yeah, I mean, I wanna give this to as much as I can to youth and get the next generation into the computer science programs of the future and marshal them along. Yeah, it would be cool. I mean, what I first got into computers, my first experience with the world of computers was as a freshman at the University of Arizona in 19... Let's see, it would have been the fall of 1968. I just graduated high school and that's where I was going at. I was almost alive there, Hal. And me too. Well, what can I tell you? Part of any being a electrical engineering student, which is what I was up there to try to learn, was computer programming. In this case, it was Fortran 4. And I don't know if any of you have had any experiences with it, but that's probably the most... I am a big fan of Fortran 5, the band. Yeah, I've actually got some of their stuff. I do too. But I'd never learned Fortran. I learned Pascal. That was useful. I did learn cobalt. Oh, wow, you're in demand. Oh, brother. Well, that was back in eighth grade, honestly. Yeah, it's like riding a bicycle. Some of those skills might carry over. Oh, God, you know, go ahead, Christian. I was just gonna say that there's a question I wanna ask both of you, your thoughts on this. It was posted over to the Office 365 community on Facebook. Somebody asked, what level of IT knowledge is needed before starting with Office 365? And he meant as like an IT, it's an admin IT pro, but kind of where to go for broad knowledge. And so there's, well, give your guys your thoughts. If somebody comes to you with that broad question, where do you direct them? How should people get started with their IT pro training? You wanna take that out first or I can do it? I don't know, you go ahead. Okay, well, I... I have a bit of a different perspective than you, so... Well, that's why it's good to have, I think each of our perspectives, I'll share my thoughts as well. So, Sean, why don't you start us? Well, if somebody's gonna become an IT admin with cloud services, a good understanding of networking fundamentals is important, networking security, firewalls, that sort of stuff. That's kind of a baseline for just being able to do things properly and safely and correctly, securely. But I mean, that's kind of one entry point, I think. From my standpoint, I got into the Office 365 game kind of a long time before it was Office 365, you know, Outlook and Word and Excel and so forth, and they all pretty much stand alone services. And that was, then along came the exchange server. And that's, I think, the idea where he might be looking at when you're start looking at the backend rather than the front-end applications. And I did an awful lot of reading for that, not for exchange and Windows server and so forth. I just found myself a bunch of news groups and started reading questions and answers. A lot of them didn't make a whole lot of sense, but I kept track of what it was, what I was learning, what they were saying. And when the opportunity arose to actually install the software, and again, this is before cloud. So take that for what it's worth, but nevertheless, at that stage, having done all that reading and all that studying and so forth, once I got the software itself and the bits and pieces started to make sense because I'd already seen the words. I had a clue what the words meant, how the various pieces sort of interacted with each other, even though I couldn't visualize it once I got the product and it started to fall in place. So from that standpoint, hanging out at places like docs.microsoft.com, another thought, get yourself an E3 or so such subscription so that it gives you the ability to get into the admin area and just start playing. That's kind of how I've been. Yeah, additionally, what you learned from an on-premises standpoint doesn't change in the cloud. You still need a working knowledge of Active Directory and that carries over into Azure Active Directory. You learn about all the different configurations and hybrid configurations, particularly you can have yourself set up in, how to use things like Azure Active Directory connect, AD connect to link your AD, your directory on-prem to the cloud. You might go cloud only. There are a variety of different ways to do it and so much of what Hal is saying is, I agree with the docs are a good place. Look at some of the courseware that Microsoft lays out and I believe a lot of it's available for free. You can get a lot of that training through Microsoft and it's a good place to start. Yeah, the one that I, yeah, I mean, there's great training stuff that's available through Linda, through, so, LYNDA, which was acquired by LinkedIn. There's courseware that's, of course, that's paid out on Pluralsight, but the place that I commented out in Facebook to answer, I highly recommend that folks pick up if you're gonna be an admin of Office 365, the book by Tony Redmond and a bunch of other co-authors, but Tony, the lead author, the Office 365 for IT Pros. It's the comprehensive guide to Microsoft's cloud office system. And the latest update, so you pay for it once, it's 39.95 and you get every update forever after that. The latest update was the 14th of April. So he provides updates at least once a month with changes and so it's incredibly valuable. Go get the, I believe if you buy the print edition, you get the Kindle or you get the, it's delivered a couple different ways for digital. So, check it out, you can purchase it. If you go look for that on Tony's website or on Amazon or just about everywhere else, you'll be able to find it, but it's the most comprehensive and most up-to-date, constantly updated resource guide that I found, so. Yeah, and up-to-date is hard to get these days, especially with courseware and courses. People sink a lot of time, but the traditional courseware cycle is kind of broken. You need to buy into something that is going to be updated frequently because Office 365, as we know, is an evergreen service, turns over regularly. New features, capabilities being rolled out and somebody's got to document those and you need a program that's going to integrate those into the base, so yeah. All right, yeah, any, so I'm just looking through to see if there's any other questions. Anything either of you want to share questions that you have been raised, that you've helped answer recently? My big push for today was Teals. That's true. How, yeah. Looks out there. Anything that you've blogged about, talked about lately? Not really, the latest thing that I've been looking at and playing with is there is a plugin for teams called SHIFTS, which is the SHIFT workers and so forth, and so I've kind of been looking about that and started to get the materials together to write a little article about it. There are just so many little things like that. That is not what I first thought you said, Hal. The gutter, Sean. Yes. Oh, here's another question. Oh, yeah, this was, yeah, I'd love to hear both of your thoughts on this one, so it's another question from the Facebook, from the 365 community. Somebody was asking, they manage an Office 365 tenant, and there's two partner relationships. So one is from the former MSP partner, so the managed service provider in an advisor relation, and one is from a CSP partner that's their current service provider. He was trying to delete the MSP partner's relationship, but it returns an error, and he's trying this as the global admin, he's unable to do that, and my response initially was, and I don't know if you have anything to add to this, was that the difficulty is if that, Microsoft is sensitive to who's defined as the partner of record, and I think the only way you can get that old partner that's no longer the partner of record if that CSP is now gonna be the managing partner is to do a service request to get on the support call with Microsoft and to have that swapped out. It's kind of a two-stage process. They have to confirm that they're no longer the partner of record, and then you have to remove it, and I don't know if either of you... I thought they were gonna mend that process, though. I'm not sure if they have. I know that that's been a need for a while because you've got a lot of partners of record that do the one and done thing and walk away, and unfortunately stay tied to those tenants, whereas a new vendor comes in or support person and wants to establish themselves in healthy organization and get credit for it, and they don't, I thought... And the other side to that, of course, is that if you have somebody that comes in and they try to swap, but they've got an agreement that's in place, and it's like, well, wait a second, we signed a contract, and it may not be just a, hey, get rid of us, we did this work, and we provided upfront services, and it's kind of front-loaded on the services side, and we've got a one-year contract or what have you. So I can see that both ways, but I'm not sure if the process has changed. I'm not sure either. I'm gonna do some hunting for that. I'm kind of surprised to hear that there's folks that actually worked that way. The outfit that I associate with that one, a client can leave pretty much at any time. There are perhaps a few days notice, but they decide they wanna leave. It's at any time during a given month, they sign a one-year contract, but if they want out, they leave. Yeah. And as far as the records for that part is, once they're gone, they're gone out of our system too. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I mean, I heard about this two, three years ago, maybe even further back, it was the last time I heard this kind of situation, and that being the issue is that there were some vendors that was like, look, we provided a lot of other value add, we did a bunch of consulting services, and we spread out that cost over the term of that agreement. You can't just halt the agreement midway through, and they were looking for that kind of protection, but yeah, this, so honestly, I'm not in MSP or CSP, so I wasn't aware of the changes, what's happened over the last couple of years, but. That's really not something I have a lot of control over anyway, because those decisions and that kind of activity is above my pay, Groovy. So what I do to try to compensate for that is, fortunately, the MDP program gives you an E5 license, so if I got questions, and it's kind of painstaking and labor-intensive, but I thought that question about set up, what controls who, and how you, what part of the Advil console does what to the tenant, I've always got that, I go in there and look. Now mind you, that can take an awful lot of set up and trial and error, but at least it's up to you. Yeah, but Christian, I think you're pretty much right, they're gonna have to go talk with support to get that rectified. Yeah, I think that was the consensus of the majority of responses, but everybody kind of said the same thing, like, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure you have to just go and go through those steps, so you can't avoid that, but. Well, I've kind of actually got something, I've seen something similar to that. Someone's hotmail account was taken over by some nefarious person. They got access to his password and so forth were able to log in and get themselves sent up on the authenticator app. Now, he wants to close that account, I mean, he can go in and regain control of the account, because the bad guy's got the authenticator app, he about an hour later, he gets to regain control. So this is actually, we have to be a case where Microsoft, because they can't, you know, due to those contractual obligations and so forth, that you just got through referencing, they really don't have a lot of, there really isn't a lot they can do. So I'm kind of watching that and I'm gonna see how that sort of plays out. It's a discussion that has been going on on some of the backend channels. And I really don't know what to say about that, because you got on the one hand, Microsoft can't and won't without awfully, awfully, awfully compelling and good reason. And in the main plan, you've got a bad guy out there, masquerading in somebody and doing nasty stuff. That the good guy can't deal with. So I don't know, it'll be interesting to see how that turns out. Ellie, must be frustrating. Can empathize. Hey, I've got a question. Uh-oh. This is from me. As somebody had brought, we were talking about, as in the conversation I was talking about some of my, I think you guys both saw, so I have a folder on my iPhone. It's my Microsoft app graveyard. So I try to, like I add every Microsoft app that comes out and eventually some of them just get discontinued and so they don't go anywhere, they don't do anything, but I still have the icons that are on my phone. I've got a few that are there and others, like with the rollout of the Office app, I retired the Excel PowerPoint and Word mobile apps to the graveyard, even though they still work and there was some question of whether they had more functionality or not, but I'm like, well, I never use those things, you know, Office app I've been using. But anyway, but part of that question we were, so a friend of mine were talking about other apps that we just weren't sure what happened. And he was asking about like why Visio never, it was not been rolled into the broader Office suite as this was on my phone with the conversation. And then also asked whether access was still a thing out there and I was like, honestly, I've not heard much about it. Do we, do you know the status of access? Yeah, not a standpoint of, well, whether it's an online or not at this stage of the game, at least they continue to update it as part of the Office package. And there is quite an active, a couple of active groups that I've had access to that are still going strong with it. So, and I would really hate to see that go away. I mean, I've used that. I had to use it extensively five or six or seven years ago for a repeater owner's database for the ham radio community. And stuff that you can do with that is just really. Oh yeah. Is it, can I say that it's not shocking to me at all that the ham radio community is using access? Well, it's, I'm just saying. There's a long story attached to that, which I may get into with some. Well, it's, you know, I used to say, but so this was, you know, wow, back in the, you know, 2010 to 2014, sometime in there, when the talk was around the update of the latest access services in the SharePoint space. And one of the things, cause at that time it was still real push to try and migrate, you know, clients that were using Lotus Notes over to, you know, the, you know, exchange. Locust Notes. Right. And of course, if you've ever worked in an organization that used Lotus Notes, the problem was not the email component. That part was easy to migrate people over. It was the access features. It was these miniature standalone applications that people would build on the fly. And there was no, you know, there was no migration of those you had to, or even transformation of that. You had to completely go and re-architect. So it was, you know, cut it, move away, go build something new to do that same thing. And it was viewed, access was viewed as promising. Again, you'd have to re-architect it, but of a similar type capability. You could essentially go and map in and rebuild similar small apps, and then host those in SharePoint or wherever. So. I suspect Microsoft is probably trying to figure out what they're going to do with it. You know, as far as paths forward, access services, I don't see it growing. The need will never go away, of course. There will always be a need for that sort of solution, but access services, I think, I don't expect it to grow. And if anything, stay around too long. You know, of course, we're talking about it like this. We're trash talking it. And there's a bunch of MVPs that are going to be writing letters to Microsoft. Yeah, and it's not, look, in my, it's like my joke about, you know, the ham radio crowd around it. It's like, look, you know, there's, I mean, the fact that suddenly, you know, COBOL programming has been talked about in the news and stuff, there are communities where they all may hate COBOL. And I suspect they all do. Even the experts that work on it. Even the babies. Yeah, but it's still around. It's, you know, massive environments, especially in the financial systems that are healthcare sector. And insurance. Yeah. Yep. I worked for an organization that gave every new employee, or rather every prospective employee coming in, a COBOL test. This was as recent as, well, it wasn't really recent. Probably about 10 years ago. That's recent. I have no concept of time anymore. So yes, that's recent. Didn't I just see you in the dining hall, Sean, at SB TechCon Boston? It just happened, right? It was like six years ago. I have no idea. Horses end. Yeah. Hal has no idea what we're talking about there, but yeah. It's the, Hal, it was the biggest fake band in the SharePoint community ever. Horses end, rocks! Okay. I wonder if I should turn to the quarter on if there's something blackmailable here or not. You're not gonna get blackmail material. You'll get endless entertainment for people, but. In fact, here, I'll have to, for anybody watching is probably wondering what they're grabbing, they're talking about. Yeah. I'll pull up the link. I think of it, it's. When you put the, when you turn the recorder on and ask me about Horses End, my response was genuine. I had no idea what was going on. I have a few other days. It's the, yeah, the behind the music classic. Here, I'll share this out here. If anybody is interested in the kind of, the nonsense that we do to pass time in between sessions at major events. Yeah. History of Horses End. Yeah. SP TechCon Boston many years ago. Yeah, that was classic. All right, I posted it there. And here I'll, for how you can check that out sometime. When you've got a few minutes, we did a little fake behind the music VH1 and it's mildly entertaining. I had less gray in my hair back then. Christian's creative streak in rare form. And hanging out with the creativity just flows when you hang out with Veroskey. Veroskey, yeah, no doubt. Well, let me clarify that. It's you can't, you don't take anything seriously nor are you serious. You act seriously when you're around Veroskey. Yeah, I don't think I could work with him professionally. I don't think like going into a client, we get into too many inside jokes within inside jokes. Inside joke inception. And we go so deep, so quick into our own minds and our jokes of what we thought were funny and the client would be just standing there. Befuddled. Yes. How do you know Jeff Veroskey? I'm sorry, who? Jeff Veroskey. I'm not sure. I have a big disconnect between the faces most of the time. Gotcha. He's a fixture up in the New England SharePoint community. Good guy. He's a good guy. Unless it would have been at some kind of a gathering, probably not. No worries. He did make it down to Arkansas. Did he? Yeah. Ventura. Both he and M made it down to Arkansas for the last thing. We'll have a Rackley's last bash that we had in person. I suspect now if you put out an invite to speak, to talk about SharePoint slash woodworking, then he'd submit first. Probably. Yeah. All right, let's see. I'm going to scroll down through, see if there's anything else, any other questions. Anybody watching in? Watching the live stream, seeing us watching us over on Facebook or on YouTube. And you have any questions you'd like us to hand, just write in the comments. And we'll try to handle those. That was where we were. I started reading about cricket. The game or the incense? The game. Spence Harbor recommended two different books and I got the second book in today and it's the book I should have started with. It's the one that explains the actual rules of the game. Actually, cricket explained. All right. Personal recommendation from Spence, so. It's not as noob sounding as a cricket for dummies. So. No, it's not. And it has many pictures, illustrations of positions. I'm finally reading the second half of it, sat there, half read Satya Nadella's book. So he talks a lot, of course. He's heavily influenced by cricket. I know that's part of where the comments that Spence and stuff kind of came from is Satya's mentions cricket every once in a while. I have to say that when I was back in 2010, I was over in Ahmedabad, India, and we went and saw the local team play and it was a sweltering evening with no breeze and it was a packed stadium. And so it was, you know, oh man, it was where you just, Milly man mess. And you see like the steam of the crowd and you can just kind of learning the field over there. No, but it was the 2020 version, so much faster paced. I have to say that I'm not a fan of baseball. Do not, do not like it. Do not like it at all. The 2020 version of cricket is faster paced and I thought much more exciting than baseball. I really enjoyed it. And I've watched a few games of the 2020 format, which is that faster play since then. And I know that I'm sure Spence would not agree with my comment about disliking it. He would, you know, probably my preference for that format, I suspect he's more of a purist for the long form. I'm just learning about the game. So yeah, I brought home for my boys when they were younger. I brought home a, I bought from a family selling cricket sets, you know, so not good quality at all, but on the side of the road and they had some cute little kids and just kind of visited with this family and bought a set and brought it home. And I think the second time we were playing within the backyard and busted. But yeah, fun game. Brother. So yeah, there's a lot of questions. People asking about different things about, you know, kind of fundamental courses. People are asking about Azure fundamental courses, you know, what do people recommend? And there's a number of places to go. I mean, one thing I would say in general, if you're looking for training around Office 365, that one great resource, especially if it's on like the collaboration side of the house is Vlad, Vlad Kachronescu, his blog. You can go and it's what VladTalksTech.com. VladTheEmpeller.com. Yes, Vlad has, if you just VladVLAD and SharePoint, you'll find his site. But where he gets most of his traffic is to his training guides. And so he's a plural site, you know, trainer. At TalksTech.com, yeah. And, but just some fantastic resources out there. And he keeps those up to date as changes happen with the technology and especially around the curriculum. If you're looking to go and get certified on any of the products, so I would highly recommend. I'm not sure what he has out there in the Azure space, but that's a place to start. Go take a look, but here's one other question. Somebody's asking, and I don't know if either of you have experience of this, but somebody was asking, what's the best possible way to backup Office 365 online mailboxes? Backup. Backup. I've always got to ask you for free? Or? That's a great question. So, yeah, because there are tons of third-party tools that are out there. There's a number of vendors that have solutions for the major workloads. If you're looking to backup SharePoint or Exchange, there's vendors that have been around for 20 plus years that have been doing that. There's a lot of new fangled pure cloud vendors that have solutions. And so a lot of that depends on, as Sean says, free or do you want to pay a little? Do you want to, are you looking for something that's more granular, more comprehensive? Because there are some high-end, more extensive solutions as well that do a lot more, heck of a lot more. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, the places I would go and recommend, people go take a look at. I mean, I always point to former clients that are in the space, you check out App Point, check out Quest, check out Spanning. Veeam. Veeam is another one. So, yeah, the Spanning, which is all, which is Datto, and they bought Backupify. So Backupify and Datto are both owned by Spanning. I think that, I think they are, aren't they? Yeah. I'm not familiar. Maybe not, maybe it's in the Datto and then Spanning. Yeah, anyway, I know. Everybody's gonna buy everybody someday. We know how it works, Christian. Yes. Sean and I have been through the ringer a few times. We've been bought. And not in a bad way. Yeah, well, yeah. One of those was not very comfortable for me. It's true. I believe we had a conversation about that. Yeah, I think it's an indicator when you leave on the day of the end of your agreement. To the day, yes. To the day, then that usually indicates he might not be happy with the situation. Perhaps. Yeah. Let's see, what else? What else do we see in here? Let me just make sure there's not any questions posted somewhere and somebody else's commenting on Zoom. You know, and we talked about this last week of just biting the bullet, being doing the more painful way of adding yet another technology platform. Thank you. Yeah, just keep that. Just post it on your monitor, pull it out every once in a while. Yes, we use Zoom. We do it on live stream. We don't hate teams. We love teams, but we're live streaming. And to live stream, you would have to use a third party tool, a non-Microsoft technology to do it, what we're doing. And so do we have two points of failure or one just use the one technology that it works most of the time? Keep it simple. Yeah. Keep it simple, Sean, kiss. That's right. Keep it simple, Sean, yeah. Sean is simple. Well, simpleton, you know, same difference basically. Sure. This program is as simple as I am. It's not the tumor. Let's see. What else? I kind of liked what we were talking about. We started going down the conversation, the path this morning, about gaming as an educational resource. Are you doing any of that kind of stuff with your kids, Sean? You did it for that purposes, to learn the code, that kind of stuff, like Minecraft? It has been a starter on a couple of occasions for that stuff, but unfortunately, my kids haven't taken interest in it, but we did do some, we did start learning Python so that we could develop Minecraft mods and make changes to the game. But Minecraft EDU is a big thing, I know. Yeah, Python, my middle son, Nick, I'm pushing him towards that. He's added computer science with the data analysis focus as a minor. So he's an environmental science major. And I keep telling him, I said, look, grad school, I mean, straight A kid, he's gonna go to wherever schools he applies to. And I said, go in there with, if you know Power BI and can do all of the data analysis stuff in the background, it's like, you're gonna learn that during grad school, it's like, but you will be at a distinct advantage because nobody else will know this. Absolutely. And so, yeah. No, his real reason, and I suggested it, was not because of that, it was because he's like, yeah, I'm bored, I'm getting straight A's. I'm like, take more classes, take harder classes. There's one of these kids, he maxed out his load in high school of AP classes, got fives on everything, so whatever the highest grade is on AP classes, I didn't take AP classes, so. My, when I graduated, it was the first year they offered in my high school in Hillsborough, Ohio, rural Appalachia. Technically it is. It's called fives for rural Appalachian aid, yes it does. But that was the first year that they offered AP classes. It's like AP calc, and I got a passing grade, so I got my AP credit. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I've thought about going though and taking a look at some of the resources for using gaming to learn programming. It's like, look, I've been close to 30 years in tech, I've taken classes on UNIX, on HTML, on NPHP. I've worked in the field and picked up a bunch of useless technology skills that, like learning any language, if you're not continuing to practice it and work on it, and I've forgotten a lot of things, but I thought, I do like to be engaged in a class, be learning something. I'm doing some courses both through both LinkedIn and Pluralsight right now, especially in this time. Yeah. I'm just, I'm not a, is you were mocking me this morning for seeing me on Steam playing games once in a while? Not yet today, but tonight, you know, I just, I can't sit and watch Netflix for hours and just... No, I'm that guy. I cannot do that either. Yeah, so... So, I'm with you. Yeah. How about you, Hal? You play any games? For the most part, lately it's been Angry Birds 2. Angry Birds 2? Yeah. Well, of course, that the old classics, I'm still a free cell fanatic, so I've got the Solitaire collection and that's about as far as that goes. It's something to do with the thing of it is, I mean, it's not Netflix all the time. Having been retired now for a little while is not something I do anyway, because you've got to... Being part of the MVP program, they're putting all sorts of seminars on lots of the time, so there's those to attend. Being an ex broadcaster, there's a lot of those meetings that now that's the society of broadcast engineers and most markets have a local chapter and, of course, they've all got local meetings, but now that they can't meet locally anymore, there's a lot of those meetings that are now moving up here on to the internet. Online format, yeah. There's... My all-time always favorite is answersdikemicrosoft.com. I mean, I can go in there and pick a subject and if it's something that I know, there's always questions to be answered. There's always questions that I don't know the answer to that I find intriguing that sends me off to Google and Bing and half a dozen other places trying to figure out, well, what is this exactly? So I mean, it's not really a matter of being bored at what I'm doing. And there's meetings like this too. I really wasn't in a position to do this, much before I found out that Christian was doing them. Oh my God, this is kind of fun. So what the heck, I'm here now. Well, you like Angry Birds, Hal. You ought to try Angry Birds in virtual reality. Yeah, that's one thing that I've got to get into yet. That's on degree. Well, there's an app on the Windows 10 computers from the store about how space we are that has been getting some attention of late. The PowerPoint folks during the summit decided and during one of the breaks that they wanted to get together to try that. And there's a bit of a learning curve to it, but that was kind of fun. The Christmas bonus for the company I work for is an opt-to-quests, which I've yet to get set up. But I'm kind of a little leery because I'm afraid that I'm going to wind up spending so much time with that. I lose my other stuff because I've heard stories. I have heard stories. Well, it's like anything else. I mean, you can definitely immerse yourself in it and get lost in it, but I know at first when I started playing with a lot of the VR stuff, I was on it an excessive amount of time and now I just pretty much go down. In fact, I've had Half-Life Alex waiting for me downstairs for quite some time. And I have not even tried it out yet. So, you know, it is worth your time though, I think, to invest in a little bit in your VR. Hey, I've got one last question. We've got four minutes left and it's a SharePoint related question, sort of. Oh. So let's see if you guys can answer this. So somebody had posted and said, I was wondering if it's possible to use a SharePoint location, preferably a doc library to store office templates and make them available in office like the featured templates. And so there's kind of two questions. The first part is leveraging SharePoint and saving, creating a library of office templates. I mean, of course that's no brainer. You can go and do that. But I think this question is really when you go into an office application and pull from within the native experience those featured templates that Microsoft provides, I don't know that you can add templates in a location where those are accessed. I don't know either, but that's an excellent homework assignment. Yeah, so we might try to answer that. Because I think the issue there. I'm back next week. Yeah, because I think the issue there is that those documents that Microsoft provides is that Microsoft resource. I don't know that you can, I don't believe you can redirect that over to- You probably can't redirect it, but I'll bet you can possibly add additional sources to it. Yeah, the second half of the question was making that permission based. Again, SharePoint thing, yes, you can do that, but no, you can't then put it within those, the office workloads, the office apps. So I guess that's the question. We'll see if we can find an answer to that. It's fairly common though, again, this was my entrance into the SharePoint world was helping organizations build out project management organizations, PMOs. And part of that would be to go in and help them to clarify their project management methodology and gather all of their templates and provide a kind of a single version of truth around those templates so that they ensure that everybody in the organization, if you go into a requirements document, they all looked exactly the same. They, a business analyst review of product review, they all looked exactly the same. And you can certainly do that. And I think then it's just a matter of training people as they go and open up word and they're gonna create a new document that they put is one of their favorited locations that shared template library. Right, but we can come up with the... We'll see if there's any... Yeah, get more information on that. Points to that. Automagically, yeah. Automagically, yeah, that's a technical term, Sean. Is it? I think so. Yeah. All right, well, gentlemen, well, thank you so much for your time. Thanks for everybody who caught us on the live stream. And again, if you have follow-up, if you think of a question and we're not live, go ahead and post them or drop us a DM in Facebook. Go out to the Office 365 community on Facebook. It's a great place to ask questions throughout the week. There's tons of MVPs and experts from around the world that are on there at any given moment. And usually you'll have dozens of responses to whatever question you post. And so it's a great place. And when we don't know the answer to a question... Which is fairly often. It can be often. Well, I'm not like not us, but I'm the community in general. But they'll actually provide guidance like, hey, that's something that's actually out on user voice. It's on the roadmap or, hey, it needs to be on the roadmap. It's a great way to garner support for posting something on user voice, getting people to upvote it to get Microsoft's attention. So it's a great place. Yeah, I can help the attention to user voice these days. Yeah, they do, they do. It's so much, but they do now. Yep, and obviously I can't be remiss if I didn't say that there's also out on the Microsoft tech community. It's a great location. It'll be a great day when we're able to live stream and share that live stream out on the tech community. Can't do that today. So, all right. Yeah, what... Progress is measured in small steps. Someday we'll have a native live streaming capability in teams straight to tech community with simulcast to Facebook and YouTube. It's gonna happen someday. Insert Angelic Choir and Clouds. All right, thanks a lot, guys. Have a good evening. See you soon. You bet, take care. Bye. Bye.