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Well sorrowful wasn't that bread with fruit in it? Oh no, that was sorrow, that was sorrow. Sorry, sorry. No, sorry, sorry. Sorrow, sorrow! I went with you as well, Dave. See how quickly I jumped into your camp then. What is sorrow? Is that a... I don't know. It's sorrow. What's sorrow? It sounds like... It sounds like a left back that plays for Grinchby, or something. Let's have a look, hang on, because I think sorrow is a thing. This is, here we go. Right, so sorrow is a hardy perennial herb of the buckwheat family. OK. These are widely distributed in temperate regions and cultivated for their edible leaves. Sorrowly is a typically pungent and sour and derived their flavour from oxalic acid. There you go. I'm not being funny, but if nothing says the north, south divide, then bread with fruit in it and a lovely herb that Dave seems to... Dave, no, sure. No, but that becomes sour though. If you made bread with that, that becomes sour though. I don't know, maybe. I mean, I've just... Cos it's said that, come on. It's an easy thing, the thing with sour, the leaves with sour. For God's sake. I'd picture Dave cycling, or one of his many activities, just stopping on a canal, nice pub nearby, probably a guy on a canal doing what they call the punters, punting on the canal. Dave just goes into his pocket and pulls out one of these leaves, a sorrow leaf, takes a little bit of it, nibbles on it, and then that just refreshes him. And back on the past. On my merry way. I think he started the day. Spotting boy Hodgson and many other celebrities. I bet he started the day with some quinoa as well. Cos that's what happens down there, down in the south. Fair play to you, fair play to you, fair play to you. Fair play to the north, south divide. It is, we just... We eat whatever has been left over from people doing the paving outside, tarmaching, or not, I mean, not bad. Obviously, because he lives in very much... No tarmach in the gated community. Well, tarmach, but it's not allowed. It's got rods in it, it's blockpaving. It produces heat blockpaving, blockpaving, sorry. Hard-paved floors. Which is unfortunate for the kids in the winter, cos it means there's no snow. It instantly melts the snow. But I'm sure there's a snow-making machine. Oh, we have Christmas Eve. The snow-making machine comes up just to make the Christmas for the kids. You know what I mean? Just have it piped out of when the kids look out, it's just dropping down the front of the window, and obviously the on-site Santa Claus. Yeah, of course. All part of it, all part of it. So Cwynawet and Sorrell, I didn't expect those two things to be featured on today's podcast, but well done, Dave. Great start to the show. Strong start, strong start. Strong start, very strong start. Educational as well for people who didn't know Sorrell as me and Pat didn't. We now know that it is some kind of bookweed hair. It can only be bought as far as HS2 goes. There you go. Well, there you go. The minute HS2 gets cut off, Sorrell ends the tale of Sorrell. It is, it is. To think that you should have joined Bishop's Garden for that train line, and it never happened. It would have been good if that would have carried on, if it had gone towards Oral Park, and then you could have got Sorrell from Oral Park, book HS2 finished. I don't think it was ever going to Oral Park. You know, it might have came up on the HS2. On the rails, as they say. On the inside, very much like Arsenal. I've got no idea what's going on. Neither have I. Neither have I. But we have had the video from our, you know, used to be part of our quadruple in the team. What I'd say is, are George Michael to Andrew Ridgely? Is he George Michael? Well, to our Andrew Ridgely. To our Andrew Ridgely. You know, the sky is the limit for him. You say that. He's let his hair go. But let's hear a video from Mr Andrew Bush. Fellas, this bush are you doing? Hope you're doing OK. Miss you all. I trust you all well. Yeah, just weird old game against Brian. Felt like we didn't try and play football. Slightly embarrassed about the way we're playing, to be honest with you a little bit. But, you know, to be leading the game and then with a draw and injury time was a bit of a gutter, to be honest with you. What do I think? Calvert Llewyn doesn't look right. He looks like someone's dad who has reluctantly filled in the numbers a birthday seven aside at a local leisure centre. Just come lots of pulling things. Oh, I need to get off. That kind of thing has taken ages to get up. And then I'm quite worried that Beto might actually be shined. I mean, I love him running around and everything. I love a bit of running around in terms of the blues. But I don't think I've ever seen anyone with quite the same lack of technique as him. And he had a couple of great opportunities to put that to Beto. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, I don't know. It's all in the balance, isn't it? It's all kind of up in the air. Now, when are the Premier League going to get that fucking act together and tell us what's going on? I'm off for a riot. You guys fancy getting some pitchforks and fire and descending on London somehow? Let's sort it out. A rebellion. There you go. Mr Bush, your hair getting a little bit longer. He's got the cans. He's on his way in to the radio station to do all of his good stuff with his mate Richie. Him and Big Rich buying things off. He made his choice. He made his choice. I'm fair play to him. You know, he'll be DJing in Ibiza whips on behalf of the best celebrities in the summer. On a Disney cruise while we're here. Oh, yeah, he did that, didn't he? He did it. He's done the Disney cruise. He's done the DJing in Ibiza for the weekend. All good? Yeah. What went wrong, Andy Bush? How did you make that choice between us and there? But obviously he was reacting to Brighton one ever and one at the weekend. Wasn't massively complimentary about our two centre forwards in that one, but fair play to him, fair play to him. But Dave, I mean, overall, a good point. I was thinking about this. I mean, I was thinking about this because I mean, I was gutted when, you know, when they equalised and when we didn't come away with three points because I genuinely thought that we were. So it felt like, you know, I don't know. I just felt very flat after which. But I suppose the other way of looking at it is that, you know, if somebody had offered us a point away at Brighton before kickoff, I think that we'd have gladly taken it. So that's the way that we perhaps should look at it, but it's not the way that I think any of us felt at 90 minutes. However many minutes. Ninety-nine minutes or nine minutes, sorry. Yeah, wasn't it? Yeah, I think you're right, Dave. If someone would have said, you know, a three o'clock, take a point now, I think I'd have gone, yeah, go ahead. Just keep, keep adding to it, you know. But we said, oh, we had it for some reason. I felt, I felt happy to go into the Brighton game and I did go into the Crystal Palace game. It's just mad because I just would. We are just so poor at home. But away, I think we know exactly what we're doing. That being said, as Andy Busch just said, it is, we are hard to watch because... Really hard to watch. I don't mind us giving the ball up, doesn't that? You know, I've accepted that and we've done quite well away from home. But I do mind when we just panic things and kick, you know, these plays you've seen play so much better. You know, things like Dwight McNeill, when we're breaking in the first half, we had three runners and he's just, it's his first time because he doesn't want it. It's like, where's the confidence there? Ben Goffley, we've got a throwing 30 yards inside the Brighton half and he throws it back to us, Jordan Pickwood. It's like, why are you throwing a ball back to start again when we're on the offense? It's that kind of thing. But that being said, you know, we were very close to picking up what would have been a huge victory for us. And I guess the frustration is we didn't heed the warning that Lewis Duncan was winning most things when balls come into our box. For some reason, we left them alone at the most crucial time. Yeah, it's a poor goal to conceive, very uneventing for what we've been doing and for him to be marked by Ben Godfrey. And there was the other one around them, I can't remember. But he got in between them, two of them, didn't he? And we just switched off. Beto was doing his best, whatever impression that was. Couldn't foul him, though, could he, cos he'd been booked. That was the problem. I don't know, I just think sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do. I don't know, you don't have to foul him, you just have to stop and cross in the box. He should have done better, was just made sure he crossed over his left foot. Gross, because the angle was different. That was poor. No, it was, he should have. But the whole team was poor the minute they got Billy Gilmore sent off. And I put that down to the manager, I'm sorry, sorry for you dice lovers out there, but I put it down to the manager. Because the Ashley Young sub was absolutely pathetic. Taking a player off that picks up the ball and charges forward in the final moments of the game, we've seen and do that loads of times. And replacing them with Ashley Young is a joke. Also the colour is good off set pieces defensively because another body in there. And I just thought that was so negative from the manager once again. And people can listen, you can applaud the manager for what he's done and what he's created. But you also have to look at it and go, why can't we just take that step more and say, why can't we see out again where we're against 10 men? Don't get me wrong, we've done this before. We've done this at West Ham, we've done this at Forrest, where we've done it. Even at Bailey in the second half, the way we played was very defensive. We just said that we're not going to bother this off, we're just going to shut down. But for the life of me, I couldn't understand why we did that against the team against 10 men. You pick your moments and you just mentioned there about just giving the ball away. That to me was just so irresponsible in those moments. Pick your moments and just get the ball forward and get it into the corners and just take the game as far away from our goal as you can and say to them, right, if you're going to break us down, you have to start all the way from your goal. And if that means smashing it into the corners, you smash it into the corners. But given the ball away in your own half, that's that's what that's what it leads to. It leads us to pressure. And when you've got 10 men, you feel like, right, we can do something here. We were we were in the ascendancy and we got it massively wrong. And I squarely put that on the manager and people might, you know, he's the man who sets the tone. And as Beranto White said, why did we do that? And shops like that do create that atmosphere for me anyway. The whole thing is game management, isn't it? Yeah, say it's, you know, what your decision making is in terms of the personnel. But as you say as well, in terms of what they do with it in those those periods of the game, you know, when you're sitting there in front, and as you say, playing the corners just, you know, don't be given stupid balls away. Yeah. You know, when you get and you get punished. That's it. And don't put it in just the place that the pick for couldn't get. The only place the only place that pick for couldn't couldn't save it. And that's why you put it. It's a great add. And as you said, it was silly corner to give away, but that and Beto's defend them was was pathetic as far as I'm concerned. You know, I could have defended that. I genuinely could have defended that. But that's where you're a look at again. But I don't understand why Tarkovsky just hasn't gone man for man on dunk sheet a manager. I said this in my aftermath and people are being too critical of the manager. The those details, that's why he is a strong suit, isn't it? So a hard time, you know, when Duncan won three others off corners because we just left them on his own and all three of them were directed straight to Pickford. If I was the manager, I'd have said to Tarkovsky, you know, when dunking a box stick to him, stick to him like a rash or he doesn't move. Doesn't matter if it if it's a second or the ball's been recycled off a corner. Just mark who is done because he's the only one who's any threat really in the air. And we didn't. Tarkovsky goes in front of the ball. Godfrey, we know isn't brilliant at jumping. No, he's not. And, you know, it goes there, but there was those moments. What really surprised me was when they went down to ten men, the possession stats got worse when I was amazed how much possession we'd had at one stage. It was like 60, 40, I couldn't believe it, 11 to 11. Yeah. And at the end, they end up with 66% possession and something that's like, how does ten men have more of a ball? But that's like when people say you can't criticise the manager. Well, the manager sets the tone of what you do after that. And he sent Ashley Younger and I know he didn't have many options. If he had Dobbin on, maybe he would have sent Dobbin on and said stretch the play a little bit. But I just think at that point you have to say to your players that that sub it will always set the tone of what your team are going to do. And if suddenly you've dropped taking out your number 10 and replace them with someone who's going to be more defensive, then what does that say to your team? It just says everyone drops and we allow them to have the ball. And that's exactly what we did. What other even if you're looking at who we could have put on, I would have put Coleman on. If he's got it, if the core is not good, if they're looking and it's got to take him off, add a push, ych ar yswn yn side and put Coleman on just in front of Godfring on right. Say to shame, listen, when you get it, just have a run mate down the line, just knock it down the line go after it. And we put him young on and young didn't. And listen to this, Ashley Young didn't come on and concede a goal. Wasn't him, but he didn't look nowhere he was sort of playing. So we were all ready. We looked like we were lopsided against ten men. You know, and when Gilmore got sent off, that was like the quietest moment of the game. They sort of run out of ideas. It was just I was starting to think we may well see this game on. You'd have beat at least six minutes. You knew it, but that ref was shite. But you knew it was going to be at least six minutes. But it was just getting, you know, you were looking. They were flat and it was like, well, we're OK. And you know, we defend the face corner. All right, the corner that comes in rather. But it's when it comes back out of the box. And there was too many times where you'll give. It don't matter when we played in the gooderson. We ended with 20 per cent possession or something like that. Cos we'd done the same thing. And yet we were much, much more comfortable in possession against Manchester City. We'd have loads more, but we used a ball well. Where there's, I mean, the opening, kind of like the opening 25 minutes on Saturday was one of the most one-sided games of football I've ever seen for a Premier League side. It was just attack the defence and I was like, what's going on? When we get the ball, we haven't got a clue what. And these players are better than what they are showing. I'm telling you, I'm telling you right now. And watch football all over the place with much more limited players. But because the coach really well, and they're a bit more loose, you know, there's a bit more of a freedom about them. They get forward, they shouldn't be so terrified when you have the ball. And that's what we are. Whereas defensively and structurally, we are good. He's done a great job there. I wouldn't deny that to anybody. And away from home, he's done a really good job with this set of players. We are always in games. There's been very few, we've not been in. But we've still got to be better, you know, we've got to be better than that. Cos it is a good point on the face. It absolutely is there, a tough side. And they've only lost, you know, West Ham, I think, beat them in August. And they've not lost their home since. So it would have been an unbelievable win, really. But that's why it's more good than that. If they'd scored a crack in goal, you'd have gone, you know what? Cos they cut us open a few times and if they've ended up in the net, you'd have gone to a very good goal. It's just so annoying, Dave, that that's normally, as Peds said, that's normally where we're really good. That defending crosses, isn't it? Yeah, and absolutely. And I genuinely, you know, there's certain times when you're in that position and you sort of think we're not going to hang on to this. But genuinely, I thought that we were. Yeah, yeah. I really did. I thought, you know, we're going to get this. Nine minutes seems a task. That was the fastest game. And then, like, the time just went really quick and then the sending off and everything just seemed to slow down. Oh, my God, it was unbelievable. You just, we couldn't get the ball forward. I was like looking at it and it was like 91-40. And I was thinking, it feels like 10 minutes since he put the bleeding board. Oh, my God, it was horrible. It was horrible. It's my time, it does not exist. No, so mum was turning the clock back. Yes. I mean, if, you know, there's lots of ways to look at it. There's, you know, we're breaking records, you know? It's the longest run without a win in 30 years. So fair play to that. Well done, us. Yeah, it's the longest, it's 23 years since we scored less goals in open play over the last 10 matches or whatever. So there's another echo gone. But the flip side to that is it, you want to look at it the other way, it's one defeating five. And that was Manchester City, the only scene to beat us in the Premier League this year, if you want to look at it like that. So there is ways you've got to look at it. And that would be, like I said to someone on Saturday, this kind of results would be fine, would be really good if we were OK, ah? Yeah, yeah. So we really have got a correctness home form Dave, having me as soon as possible, because we're competitive away. It's your start home. Yeah. It just, yeah, yeah, absolutely right. You know, it just needs to change because, you know, on the road it's OK, but I don't know, it's just, it's just a difficult watch. And as Bush said, you know, Calvin Lewin doesn't look right. Beto doesn't look like he's going to score any time soon. It's just, I don't know, it's just hard. I mean, the dumb thing. The dumb thing doesn't really bother me. It really doesn't, because I just look at the service he gets. And I honestly just don't think if I played up front or anyone played up front, that unless they were an absolute top player, which I don't think Dom is anyway. So he's a good Premier League player. Solid Premier League player who works hard for the team. It doesn't really bother me. It doesn't bother me as in, like, I don't look at it and go, well, we have to play Beto, because when I watch Beto, I'm just like. But the lad's still caused that absolute mayhem. He's bang average though. He really is bang average. Well, many people fighting us for his signature word. He's a waking progress. He's going to take a very long time to take the edges off. And I just don't think he quite understands what is required of him. And yes, he can come on and he can cause trouble. But that very, very... I mean, seeing this on Saturday, that very quickly fades away and he just goes out of the game. And I just think... And that's why I just don't think Dom's... I look at the wide men and I look at the creativity in midfield rather than looking at Dom. Dom had no chances whatsoever on Saturday. He had one that was flashed across the box and I think, dunk, actually got the header, didn't he? Before Dom could. You know, could he work harder? Yes, could he be more aggressive? Yes. There are things you ask of every player and I think there are times when I look at his aggression and wish there was more. But I honestly can't point to him and go, well, he's got a big problem. You know, we use him in such a way that he does a lot of work that is needed and we just don't get him any service. So I don't see that as a major issue. I just see the way we play, facilitate to certain style and we're getting that good defensive start. But when we need to push on. Anna, the team, not starting onan, there is the big alarm bell for me. You know, we spoke about this last week, not starting him, says you to the opposition. Well, we're going to have two hold midfielders and we're going to get all the men behind the ball and we're going to make it really difficult for you. So that's what the manager wants. She clearly doesn't look at onan a skill set and think it suits for some games. But for me, onan, I'd have to play it if you want to be a little bit more better in possession. The only time he looked like we had any controls when onan a came on. That's just a fact. I mean, I love it, Richard Guy. I think he's probably overall he's our most effective midfielder. But I think onan is quite clearly the most talented of the three. He's got everything you'll see that when he moves on to a good side and a good deal B. When he came on, I mean, I give brand weight man of the match because I thought he was brilliant and his goal was tremendous. But the second man of the match was onan. And he only played bloody 40 minutes because he'd come on and all of a sudden we had the ball and when he gets it, he looks to move it through. And he's spraying it. You just don't see that. James Garner runs around and works his bollocks off. No question about that. It's this is great at putting fires out, but there's no control. Dw i'n mych nil. Again, anonymous. He put one great crossing in the second half, which the core I was on. I mean, one of the best goal line clearance is you'll probably ever see from Lamtey. But he doesn't do enough. I don't know if I thought the core I was poor on Saturday, but he still, I mean, he could have been poor and still scored. That was the thing he does. Jack Harrison is just so much work, but gives his passions atrocious at times. It's like things that instead of simplifying his game, he's now over-complicating his game. You know, when he does well, Harrison, it's when he just plays it simple. He gets himself off the yard and crosses it or he runs and things like that. But you write it, the midfield, the creativity of that midfield. And it's in particular, it's the wide players. When I get nothing from mych nil, like literally nothing from him, whereas a year ago, he was informed now, and he was key. He was getting goals, creating out, and I don't know whether he's not fully fit, but then I will ask the question of the manager. Why does he play? He's obviously got hell of a lot going on in his private life. I'm not going to call him out, but you have to say when people are playing well or they're not playing well. He's not playing well. There's no one actually to replace him, is there? Let's get it right. There's no one actually to replace him in the team. For me, it's own honor. My own honor, that's to play. The manager's decided in the last couple of games he doesn't want them to play in. For me, he sets the tone of how we play and the manager doesn't want to play that way. And that's that I have a problem with that. I do have a problem with that as well. And the full-backs as well. As well as Shundice has done for us, I have a problem with that. If you don't want your team to move forward and create chances in open play, then I have a problem with that. I don't like watching that kind of football. It's as simple as that. But we did score a great goal, didn't we? I mean, let's talk about that. Let's talk about the positives. Come on. It was brilliant. The move for the Decorae one was brilliant. If Neil don't shoot it, it was a great ball in it. Brilliant folly from Decorae. And like I said, it was probably one of the best goal line clearance I've ever seen because the fella, Lamty, just tracks it and just throws himself. And he's only little. He's only net size. And he throws himself and was waiting for him to look up. And it's a brilliant header off the line. And then we did get the goal. It was a, you know, a ball in from Pickford. And Brant White, you know, gets knocked and go face-touch and smashes it into the top corner. It was, he got back up again and off he went celebrating and it was a hell of a goal. And just adding to his quality and his value. Yeah, that's exactly what I thought when that flew in the top corner. And I kind of thought, there you go. There's another few million on his price tag. It's exactly what me dad said. Yeah, but he wanted him to do that because he's going to go at some stage. He wanted him to be the best he can be anyway, don't you think? I mean, him and O'nana, let's be honest, him and O'nana could rebuild evidence side by selling them. If evidence did it right. Of course, yeah. It's just would we do it right? That's the worry, isn't it? But I mean... But as a goal pad, it was tremendous. No, it was a brilliant goal and at first I thought it took a little nickle just the way, but it was a great goal and it shows his confidence, it shows that he's got what he's about. And again, there's a lot of chatter around these ways about young players at the moment. I don't know why, but there is. But he is a product of going out, really good scouting, getting a player, bringing him through, having faith in him and then put him in the side and leaving him in the side as well, which is the most important thing, which again showing that he hasn't done with other players. There was one a few minutes earlier where he should have gone at it with his foot and he didn't get it back towards Calvert Llew. And he'd be the gone with the inside of his foot. He might have scored that, it was off a free kick again, but you know, he's an absolutely sensational player, isn't he, you know? If Everton, if you're him, I hope he remains for one more season because I think him developing, playing in another full season, I think he'll get even better. But Dave, I mean, he is brilliant, but is there a worry from our perspective that we are just kind of like banking on set pieces for our chances? It just always looks like the most likely source, doesn't it? You know, just because we do have such a absence of creativity as we've just discussed, you know, there's little or no service to Calvert Llewyn, which is why he's not scoring anything better, to say we've discussed him, he looks a long way off it. So yeah, so therefore you look at opportunities with set pieces and you kind of think, you know. Because there was two, you're talking about Beto, he had two opportunities. I know he did. But they both come off set pieces as well. One whipped in from that side, which he should have done better, it's sort of skimmed off the set. And the other one from James Garner's bowling, which was fantastic, he gets the slightest nitch and Branthwaite just misses it at the far post. That's another, but it is something we've got to improve on. But yeah, Branthwaite's brilliant. But it's something that we can improve on and yet we sort of choose not to improve on it. This is my point about not playing onan. It is like we choose that's a conscious decision that he's made in the last two games to leave onan and out. Because it's easier to play those of the two and it suits the system, but to play onan and would be brave. And of course, I wouldn't say he's looser on the ball, but of course when you're watching him, there are times where you think he's, you know, he might be being a bit casual, but it's his style of play. He's going to have to play now because the dresser went off with a groin injury and you know, he could be out for a couple of weeks. But that seriously worries me though that a manager can't see that and he's just banking off set pieces and we could have easily have gone. You know, we're into sitting and get any corners. We can get any files around the box. So that cuts down your chances of scoring to nearly zero. We don't get penalties, you know. So why are you cutting them down? Onan can do a... It's not like Onan is some kid. It's the second year in the Premier League, the first year yet we saw how raw he was. But this year, he's been so composed in games. He very rarely does anything stupid or gives the ball away slobbl. He normally keeps the ball. Yeah, there are moments where people might point him and go, well, you lost the ball there and it came back or whatever. But I just think as a football team, you have to play your best players and he'd been brave with Branthwaith playing him. Be brave with Onan, eh? I just... I know he was out in and he's come back, but to have James Garner and to have a Dissa Garner guy just sitting there and they offer nothing going forward. Absolutely nothing. And that's bravery. And for all the good things the manager has, he can praise him for all that. But that doesn't mean you can say, oh, that's OK, then he's done brilliantly for us. There's a lad sitting on the bench there. Who's better than what we've got? That's better than what we've got. And we're refusing to play... He looks like... He looks like, on the 10 years, he looks like he's refusing to play him because it might make us less defensive. I don't buy into that. I don't buy into that. And I don't want to please the best number six we've got. Exactly. You have to have. You don't think there's anything else to you in terms of the fact that it's something non-football-related? No, I don't think so. There's nothing about the lad at all. OK, he picks up the other injury and gets that. He's got one of those frames, but I think, for me, I think he's got the world that his feet own on. And I think, of course, he looks like he'll leave the club. I do worry, I think about these things and you will and you'll overthink about them. You think he's trying to phase them out. Is he looking at the people? You haven't got time to phase people out? What a phase and brand week on that? You can only phase people out when you're on 40 points and you're in no danger. You can start going right with planning for next season. There'll be loads of people listening to this and will be thinking, you know, what I'm saying is stupid and whatever, but that's to me. I just think he is a... I see a lot of heifer on that and I really don't get it. He's brave. That's what good side is. That's what heifer is, Richard. That's what I'm saying is a lot. If you want to be a good side, players have to be brave. There's a... Top players have a bravery about them and that's what I think separates him from a James Garnay. Is that I don't see any... I see a very honest, old-day, long-honest player, but what I'm seeing is that little bit of bravery that separates good professionals from players that you can see will take the step up, that big games won't phase them and there'll be moments in the games and they'll take them. Oh no, and it strikes me as a player like that. And honestly, I just think it's bad that we don't play him. And as you said, he'll probably start against Westam now because O'n Ann has got a groin injury. And that's sad because he's not the player with a drop. That dropped James Garnay because I just don't think he's brave enough. I think he's honest. I think he puts the tackles in. He'll be alright alongside O'n Ann. He will and he's good alongside and so I have no problem there, Adam, but I think there has to be a bravery from the team to get through games and that's what disappointed me in the last 10 minutes on Saturday was I didn't think there was a bravery on anyway. I just thought we should have been puffing our tests out there in injury time going, we're won it up because you've got 10 men and we're superb at defending, but we're going to start turning you now and getting better, running into cornerflags and stuff and maybe it was calm and coming on and running, but at the end of the day, it's a good point. It is a good point, there are good side and now we can be gutted because it was so late, but we've got a late equaliser against Spares in the 95th minute and we've got one against Palace, so you take it off with the smooth and we move on and if we beat West Ham at the weekend at home and that'll be tough, but if we beat them, then you'll go right, okay, we keep it going and that's really where, if we're going to move away from the danger, let's put the other point thing to one side and pretend we're getting on back, if we're going to move away from danger, it's going to be our home form that rescues us, but a good point down at Brighton, yeah, let's see where we go from there. Right, on to some randomness, okay? Why not? I mean, we started with the sorrel on the randomness, let's go back to it. Mark says, if Liverpool win four trophies and Elon Musk offers you a chance to go to Mars for a year, would you take it? And which four people would you take on the trip? So a human father, you can go for a year. You're alright, you've got that, you're safe, you're healthy and all that. Would you go? No. Okay. Cos I'm generally not asked. Yeah. Again, this is another thing I've got to get out of the psyche, that somehow them winning trophies or them not winning trophies is make sure it's better or worse. This is, again, I'm going to be all serious with this point, but this is something that we've done for the last 30 years and I've done it myself. I don't have any issues. We've all done it. We've all done it, but we somehow worked out that them not winning trophies is some kind of success for us. And this actually was put into us by people of our football club, basically made this happen. So no, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. I'm not asked one bit. Like to get to a big fan or go away for the weekend because of the people who come out the woodwork and all that and people who like to park on my street. I'm putting the bins outside, no chance. Get them people out there. But if I did go just to play along. What for it is it? I just, no, what? I just probably will obviously the wife clearly, clearly. Yeah. Good answer. Yeah, and then just. I'm not convinced. And then just randomise some of my, some of the people I follow on Instagram. Yeah. What would you say about that? Listen, if we're moving, where are we moving to? Just going to Mars for now. We have to repopulate. That is true. We have to repopulate the, you know, yeah. You know, what's the point? It shall be for medicinal purposes. What is the point of just going somewhere and saying, this is it and we'll die out? You've got to die and you come on back. No, no, but I'm thinking the long day. Yeah, you've got to know. You don't know what's going to go on Mars. There could be a malfunction. Could end up like Matt Damon. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You've got to think about the population of Mars and help and create that population. And that I'm just doing my bit. Okay. I'm just doing my bit. Fair play. Fair play. Dave. You've got answer in that? Yeah. I just take four on Instagram. Okay. You're not asking Dave? I'm asking Dave. I'm going on to Dave. Dave, would you take that? I wouldn't want to go cos I'd think, I'm asking if I ever can start playing well though. Yeah, but I mean, just that's what I'm thinking. I think it's also just a fact though. Just Mars just doesn't have any appeal to me. No, no. There's a destination. You know, it's just one of those places where I just think, I just don't really fancy it. No. I was a bit like that with the guy, to be honest with you, until I went and you had to go on it. Very similar, Dave. You know, a similar kind of thing. What was Mars have to do? I didn't really have any appeal. What was Mars have to do though, to get your, to get your, you know, your Bitcoin? Do you know what it is that it doesn't appeal it? Is it, I always think of it being dark there. Yeah. Do you know? Yeah, I always think about it being dark. I never think about Mars being a daylight place. No, I am with you. I suppose this is maybe why I don't like space films either because they're all set in the dark. Yeah, I think I'm with you. I don't like dark. I kind of like daylight stuff. This is why Star Wars, Star Trek, all of that. Just not asked about it. So therefore, yeah, Mars just, I don't know. Okay. Let's, let's bin Mars. Not so purple, like he says, the odds of being born on a leap day this coming Thursday are one in one, four, six, one, right? So my question is, is it more likely to be born on a leap day or for Sean Dites to make an attack on substitution? Just to go back to the previous question for a moment. Mars gets 40 minutes more, more day than we do, therefore gets more daylight, so that just puts days to bed. I'm with you. I think it's just scared of that. I think it's just scared of an area's dark. We don't like it. Dara says... It's just a brandy area's dark. What does that mean? Not so purple, like he also, but this is a really important one. Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? They wouldn't have needed them, would they? They wouldn't need them, but they weren't on the umbilical cord. Apparently it was the show. They wouldn't have had them. They weren't real people. But you can say that. I can say that. Do you know what he can and it's a fact? It's very much not a fact. It is a fact. It's not a chance. There was a person called Adam and Eve and a snake offered them an apple. I find that the chances of that happening unless you were in a zoo. And it was some kind of show. You know, some kind of show right now in Denadome or something where someone has a snake. Sticky vicky? Oh, God rest the soul. Oh, yeah, sorry. But her daughter is continuing her great work, isn't she? I did train your daughter for that. I love to shove a few of them up. Mark Mac says... We've got a great business here. Got a great business here. Mark. Peter. Well, yeah. Mark Mac. I'm just looking at pictures of Adam and Eve, by the way. It's why you do that. OK, you look at Adam and Eve. I'm asked the question. For £1m on our 10-point back but it means a sex type of you is leaked to the public like Kim Kardashian. Would you do it? Very much money. A million. Yeah. And Evan got all the points back. Yeah, 100%. What's wrong with... I mean, has one ever really hurt anyone? Seriously? You're having to think about all of them, aren't you? Well, I'm thinking about the French players and all that that they saw to get away with it. Paras Hilton. They were slightly different. Didn't seem to do it. Kim Kardashian, it made it, didn't it? Really. The women always seem to come out of it. Women do what men are just mostly forgotten about it. Yeah, they're just part of it. I mean, it's a very literal take on taking one for the team, isn't it? Exactly, Dave. Exactly. So would you take one for the team, Dave, then? Yeah, why not? Absolutely. A million quid. Yeah, absolutely. I'll bring it back quickly. Thank you, Premier League. I'm seeing two belly buttons as well here. Well, there you go. I mean, as in one each. I've gone a safety button. I mean, you're more weird. They're nipples, Dave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. They're clearly belly buttons. Okay. Lyn says it. Well drawn. If you were a ghost, what would have caused your untimely demise? I mean, that is, of course, if there was an untimely demise. How are you going to die? But it says how are you going to die? Yeah, yeah, but just say you've died before your time. Okay. Like what if you had to choose like horrible history? Stupid death. Stupid death. Those people, right? Those people should be celebrated more. They may be the greatest collection of British people for a very long time. Horrible histories. Horrible histories. I'm watching a detectorist at the moment, isn't it? There's one on the fly tonight. It's on about the third season now. What's it called? Where it's like the basically is family get followed. There's someone following them all the time, filming. And it's so funny. It's like the fella who plays the scout master in Ghosts is the daddy. Friday night. No, not dinner. Oh, it's brilliant. And you're the fella with the KLA pops in it who plays silly. Julian. What a brilliant collection. Julian out to go. And he basically wrote Wonka as well, which is brilliant. Wonka's superb. They are. It is brilliant. So what an untimely death. So what an untimely death. And the thing about this is if you watch Ghosts, you remain like that. Don't you? So one of them has no keks on and all that. Yes, because he's the story. He's struck by lightning out on a run. OK. So you'd be always in your shorts and not in your gear. That's fair. Dave, what was yours? See, I would have said Dave struck by lightning on his paddle board, on the tennis board. I don't know. Go on, Dave. See, it's two is still too cold. So actually my chances of not getting hit by lightning on the river are less or better, whichever way you want to look at it. What would I untimely death? I don't know. I'd probably be hit by a massive oil tanker or something like that crossing the road. You know, something really huge and dramatic, you know, which would then go into a big fireball, you know, like a proper, you know, if you're going to go, like go progol. And then on the opposite side of that, it's like there's a hard man walking away from the fireball in like a slow mountain. Or like they do like action scene where everyone's blown up behind them. But Dave's on the other side of that. See Dave, the people that you always forget in these things are the people who are on the other side of the tanker when it blows up. You know, Hugh Jackman's walking away giving it the biggin. It's the fellow on the other side, and that's Dave, sadly. I'll have had something like an eight quick while being on holiday with like, you know, just in the heat having some sun. Something like that. Tripping over in the dark on Mars. No, very much not that. Very much not that. Martin Williams says, I boys, where do you all see yourselves in five years time? More to the point, where would you like to see yourselves? In Mars. That's for sure. No. Realistically, we'll still be hitting exactly the same thing. I'd like to see you, Dave. Doing this. We're better mikes doing this show. Abroad. Somewhere. Abroad. Just going away for the one-off. You know, we've got, you know, we're doing well. The podcast doing really well. Oh, do you know what I'd know? We'll be great. We're going to do some specials, and we're all in the room together. The three of us, right? The three of us. Sitting round that little coffee table with our cappuccino's or cappuccino's or whatever, with a lovely pastry on the table with the gazette just sitting there. And we're doing our podcast. Some lovely dishes, because Evan are playing in your room. Lovely. And we're like, Andy, do you want to come out? Oh, sorry, mate. Busy are you, Dave? Busy Andy, Dave's there, clearly. He's biked over. No, Busch is asking us. Busch is asking what flat we're like. We've got the three with us. It's onto my sorry as well. We've got the sorrow money. Channel 5, you know, and we're like, that was a Netflix talk about how us three explode. Not like Dave's unsamly though. Very much. Not that will be a deal. No, I mean, on the basis that we've got five years to work it out. Yeah, we could... I mean, this is always possible. Let's plan and actually do it. And yes, let's leave yes with the last one. You can have one takeaway dish available to buy for the rest of your life. You can still go to restaurants on the supermarket like, what would you choose? You can only get one takeaway for the rest of your life. So you always have to get it. I'm going to let Dave onto this first. Go on, Dave. It's a big sigh. It's a big sigh. It's a hard decision. I mean, it would probably be something like... something Thai maybe. I like Thai food. OK. You know, it's like a Thai curry or something. I like it. I could only have one thing. It might be something like that. OK. I'd have Kung Pao Chicken. Which... That's mine. Dave, go on. You wrap a shot. I tell you what I've become very partial to, and I think you might be shocked by this. I'm very shocked because you've said I might be shocked by this. I mean, I've become very partial to Greek. Have you? Oh, God, yes. Is that a hummus one? No, not a bit of hummus. And yet, do you do this lovely Swedish meatball wrap? What, in the Greek restaurant? Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. So the meatballs are so soft and... Oh, yeah. That's what you're having. Yeah, yeah. And they've got proper chippy chips as well when you get it. Nice. So really nice. Really nice. So it's like a sort of Swedish Greek fusion. I like that. Very much so. I like that. It's sweet. It's sweet. Yeah, it's good. A Greek. There you go. Right. Let's leave it there then. Put that in your sorrel and take it. Right. That is us. Done. Thank you very much for listening. Give it a five-star review. Thumbs up. All those likes. Share. Do it all. Huge thanks to Dave as always. Do you want to listen to some of Dave's? Or listen to Dave's other ones? Fuelling. I mean, you don't have to. No, I think you should. I think there's some good ones there. Go on this and see. Thank you very much. Go on this one. Watch your car on Dave. Just to fuelling around. Now, is that like getting... Is that going to go with the Formula One season ready to explode? Is that going to make that even bigger? Yeah. I mean, we had David Coulthard on previewing the Formula One season. In fact, that is the current episode. Nice. Check on that. It definitely helped. I think timely is the word. Yes. The right person at the right time. Absolutely. Check. He doesn't seem a good guy, David Coulthard. He was. Do you know what? He's really, really good. I enjoyed his company a lot. He's next in line. It's unbelievable. He's got a solid show. Yeah, fair play to him. Right. Check that out then. Fuelling Grant with David Coulthard. Thank you very much. Right. Thanks for listening and we will see you all next week. Bye.