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Good afternoon everybody There's a reminder of our antitrust policy don't do anything that it says not to do Okay, so we have our usual reminders of the upcoming hackfest the planning for the Something in first quarter of 2019 probably looking for some hosts and then a reminder of the election process So today is the first day that Nominations can get sent in for running for TSC Hopefully you have all gotten to the point where you checked the list and made sure you're on the list and all your colleagues I'm not sure what this conversation about devcon 4 is about Todd, but hopefully you can You know that and then we have our usual updates of the Composer project and then training and education So I'm off about the the first couple So in terms of next hackfest October 3rd and 4th in Montreal right after member summit, please get registered We've already seen you know a good number of folks there So that's that's great to round out the rest of the year for the APAC one and Q1 next year We do have our APAC partner Sourcing venues there. So if there's any suggestions, please let us know if any of you have space in you know Hong Kong Singapore beyond let us know but efforts underway and I don't know if it's Feasible or not, but if it's possible maybe also consider Australia See a decent amount of blockchain news come out of there And that would also let us hit the the southern hemisphere that I don't think we've gotten down that way yet All right noted good good suggestion Dan. All right And then onward from hackfest the annual TSC election will kick off just after this call So that'll be the nomination process which will run for one week all the details there and the timing in Process link that went out with the minutes and the agenda for today and So the master list Closed at 5 p.m. Last night. So we do have our final list for that. I think there's around 650 folks or something like that So really great to see the growth in the community and excited for this election to get going Tracy do you happen to remember offhand It was somewhere around the 330 mark Yeah, so we more than doubled cool Cool, and if no questions there Brian, I think I see you on possibly muted But if you want to talk quickly about devcon for Am I Hi, am I unmuted now? Sorry about that. You are there you go. Okay, great. Cool. Yeah, so We are considering sponsoring the devcon for Conference for the Ethereum community in Prague as part of trying to build more and can and better connections with The developers there we think that's relevant for borough and for Seth and for the use of borough of fabric and maybe other projects In our experience kind of sponsoring developer events like this is most meaningful when there's also speakers To those subjects at the conferences. We did sponsor devcon 3 in Mexico last year and and that was all right, but it really would have been helped if you know We've had more technical content there, too So I wanted to try to get a sense from the TSC as to whether there were either specific Folks who anticipated going to devcon 3 a good have gone for who thought we should be there But most importantly who plan to submit talks and if they would also be willing to help us rally perhaps other people to submit talks So just open for any any comments on that or questions or Volunteers of assistance or anything. They're just for a little more context up up here again John Walpert and myself are planning to do a joint talk Really talking about the way that we're seeing a real blurring of the lines now, you know between Permissioned and permissionless and public and private and really that there's this There's sort of ongoing trend where where the hard lines that look like they were with air a couple of years ago I really really blurring more and more, you know, you're seeing quarter doing a a public network now and then cordite having A token project as well and then With with evm's more generally You know starting to span those areas So it'll be at least apps. Okay. That's great Thanks, Bob Any other thoughts or comments even if it's just yes, we think we should be there and the most important Yeah, I may be in Europe around that time Have to check with the travel gods Yeah, this is Dan Likewise, I'm not sure if I will personally be there or not But I think it's a good idea for hyper ledger to have some presence there and help show the this this blurring of the lines across Ethereum and in our platforms, I mean we certainly have the connection with with burrow and and Seth and some of the other platforms integrations with with burrow like fabrics, so It seems like that would be a Topic that that people Aren't maybe widely aware of over and in the dev consphere that would benefit from knowing that okay, great, I Don't want to take too much time. So Maybe I'll follow up with an email to the PSD just as a as a nudge For further comment, but I'm feeling feeling pretty good then about Participating in one form or another and maybe we see if there's like a side event we can do or a meet-up or You know, even just a drink up somewhere during the event It is frogs. Let's go. Good. Yes But they're tough. All right sounds good The next was the quarterly project updates, I don't know if anyone from composers on we've pinged a few times But haven't heard back and it doesn't look like anything Here but I don't see him and Caroline is not so if I mean just Simon is not on Neither is Caroline Okay, he may be on his way back to them to they may be try he Simon may be traveling because he was here in Raleigh this week and So he may be traveling back and I don't see Caroline on us. Okay No, nothing made it into wiki and I know Tracy pinged again yesterday Okay, I'm probably what's moving on. All right. So then next week we'll have composer and Indy. We'll send reminders again Otherwise next up is training in education working group and I think Kelly you're on from there, correct? Yes awesome All right, I'll drop the rocket chat Okay All right, go ahead Sorry, I've got fire smoke voice big time The group is moving along we have consistent Representation at each of the meetings it has dipped since we moved from 10 a.m. PSP to 8 a.m. PSP due to several requests from China and the weekly or by every time we get together is About I don't know what I think I noted in there about 26 people and now it's about 18 people There is a consistent two or three additional people each time one thing that we're trying right now is to send out updates or possible Volunteer contribution for people who are not on the call Because they're not maybe checking the minutes or checking the videos One of the things that we've noted is that we have more learners than we have people who are at this stage contributors and so if there's a little bit of a Round-and-around and we talked about that the last time we reported out We're trying to create some learning materials so that our team can Contribute more and then one of the ideas that we had was noted which is when I was taking a look at the global Summit presentations. I saw a lot of potential fit and and thinking that we can Connect with maybe 20 or 25 people there and then see if they would like to kind of partner with a member of their Training and education work group and together kind of repurpose the materials for learning on a broader basis And so that might enable People who are in the training and education work group to feel confident in the details and to help with Readability and the presentation and go through and check the steps if there's a related tutorial, etc So we're trying to kind of figure out how to keep everybody engaged When they've got about a one-year learning curve in some of them most people finish the edX first course and They're excited and they're ready to go and their next question is you know, what would get heaven what a stalker and so The country she can clarify that I Think that we're moving forward. It's not at the level that we had hoped but we do have a Handful of people who are experienced and we are connecting them. So for example, we have one person Who we asked if Rohan needed any help and one person replied and so we've got a partnership going there And then our co-lead for the group is working on some concepts And he is getting some input from additional people in the other working groups. So Based on what we've seen so far to connect a person to a person whether that be from The training and education work group to the presenter at a conference or from the training and education work group to a member of another working group Seems to be the way that we're able to actually get something in development Otherwise we have a very enthusiastic group of learners sprinkled with some experienced Contributors. I say did you want to add anything or does anyone have a question? questions for Kelly One thing that will help us is when you think about Volunteers so whether it be for devclan 4 or whether it be There's a particular new set of documentation that needs some eyes and needs people to go through and actually run through those materials Then it could be we can connect you with one or two people and then that purposeful assignment Is where we're kind of getting more feedback We have tried action items many times we've tried spreadsheets with action items. It's not that we're just chit chatting But we just are not that experienced Thanks, that's that's interesting to hear and it does reflect I think one of the risks that that myself and maybe some of the others on the TSC had when we were starting this working group is whether Whether there can be an effective way for for the working group to Represent and create materials about the projects without The direct engagement of the maintainers from those projects so it sounds like that that is a bit of an obstacle for you Am I hearing that correctly? I think so but I think just as it is as a byproduct because If I had to pick any one thing of course is never anything then at the end of the edX course Participants in that course are encouraged to join a working group and up comes the name training and education and Other names that are unfamiliar only introduced within the course And so training and education feels both familiar and seems like where I can get more training in education Because if you've never been a part of a working group that makes sense. Oh, I just finished this course I really want to learn more. There's a group on training and education and when they get in the group and they're excited and they're participating Then they realize oh, we're developing training and education. They're not at that point and They really want to contribute So what you're saying resonates more because there's a level of enthusiasm and lack of confidence Then it's really any of their intent So by partnering up with someone they seem to be very open for you know, creating presentations or going through tutorials or working on Readability Maybe even doing some translating But they're not really ready There I would say there's maybe ten or I put on the note a little bit on the wiki a little bit less than ten Who are really writing and I'm doing this and doing this who are in really a product development mode But I think that the possibility of teaming or the possibility of us I mean, I'm creating training, but I'm creating training for the training group to begin to learn how to Work with hyper ledger rather than I'm creating materials on our platform Okay, thanks that helps it's nice to hear the enthusiasm here and also I Think each of the working groups spends a few months maybe even longer getting their legs underneath them so perhaps that enthusiasm will find its way towards some Some work products is the months Yeah, I think so and we have a couple of work products going on and that For others in the group to see those Then they're starting to engage a little bit more But I think that the materials that I'm working on right now that will go over on Monday Will help and then There if I would say anything at this point I would say that we have a good group and that I need to do more technical onboarding for them not so much Who we are what our purpose is why open source is important everything about hyper ledger and its contribution They're all in on that. I mean sell it almost But I think that what I'm trying to put together is a technical onboarding where there are You know say six different things and feel free to skip any that you don't need But without that technical onboarding they're kind of waiting Waiting waiting to be able to have the skills or the confidence to contribute You know a little bit off but I wonder if One way to engage with the projects is if there's frequently asked questions are raised in these meetings or themes for each of the projects you might then be able to reach out Periodically to to each of the projects with with some feedback about something's Not understood or not understood well about that particular project Okay and I was going to add to Kelly even though I think you know right now you're concerned about developing say this github material for how you do You know github commits and and those sorts of things poor quest I think in in the end that's going to actually be useful for the hyper ledger community as well because It'll help people who actually want to do contributions to documentation or contributions to The source base, right? I know we have a lot of people Right now who are really interested in labs, but have never really used github and so they're trying to use github inside of The web browser and and that's causing them problems because they can't do their sign-offs right their DCO sign-offs so You know even even though what's what you're doing right now seems like it might not be useful I want to let you know that it is useful will be useful for a wide range of people That's great. Thank you. Yeah And I think anytime you take an engagement that is like one-on-one and can turn it into an improvement in the standard docs or you know You know, I know you call it technical onboarding I mean, hopefully it's about creating materials that allow for greater amounts of self onboarding Both for the people who show up to help with it with the community With the working group but also then on the in the standard docs that improve things for everyone and Agreed that there's probably just a gap in that, you know next step after the introductory material That's why I'm excited about the work on the getting started guide and we could always use more, you know Kind of video kind of screencasts of kind of getting your dev environment set up and that sort of thing Yeah Yeah, that's what I'm working on and I would say that I'm calling it a technical onboarding that yet It needs to be Self-driven and then they can also join the TMA working group rocket chat so that you know We can ask questions there as you say more of a question not a teaching more of a support for self-learning I'm really grateful that you're involved in this and that's that this working group is very active in helping people out Up that up that learning curve. So thank you for being there and and being what you're doing That's great because I'm thinking they're a little bit on the turtle patrol. Well, all right Thanks, Kelly. Any other Questions comments feedback Not for Kelly, but if you aren't speaking, please do go on music and background noise here Yeah, somebody's working a hard heavy bag or something. I Was just gonna say to Kelly that you know from the performance and scale working group we Tend to have a bunch of you know, really deep technical experts on the call as well as people that are there to learn so That's fairly standard. I think on a lot of this type of work. I think that's right. All right If there's nothing else then next week we have the public sector working group update As well as as Todd noted composer and indie so with that I will Keep everybody 35 minutes back. Thank you all. I'm gonna be out for the next two weeks. And so hopefully Brian and Todd can Carry the carry the mantle in the interim And I'll see you all on the other side Have fun, Chris. Thanks. Thanks Yes, everybody. Bye Send postcards. Oh, yeah