 Joe Biden's interview with Charlemagne the God on the breakfast club was an unmitigated disaster to say the least You know his statements went viral immediately Donald Trump's team Capitalized on that gaffe if we want to call it a gaffe by selling Hashtag you ain't black t-shirts and also releasing an ad about Joe Biden's record when it comes to mass incarceration It was just awful. It was a train wreck But I want to go back to Charlemagne the God's broader point about Joe Biden needing to appeal to a very loyal Demographic that is always there for the Democratic Party African-American voters, especially black women. They are always there They are the most loyal group that always delivers victories to Democrats So the point that Charlemagne was making overall was restated in an interview with Joy Reid on MSNBC and they had a really Honest and open conversation, which is something you don't usually see in mainstream media But nonetheless, they talked about the need of Joe Biden to appeal to black voters and afterwards Joy Reid actually took a lot of heat for this interview. Take a look. What what what are people telling you that they want him to do? Just some really major policy commitments for the black community mainly in the form of Economic justice so we can you know tip the scales on some of this wealth inequality in America I do hear a lot of people say, you know, we also want him to have a black woman running mate You know, but not just any black woman running mate one That's gonna actually you know get in the office and care that black people benefit from her presence there You know, we need substance and significance over symbolism and he's already committed to putting the black woman on the Supreme Court So I just want him in the Democratic Party to know that it's time to give back to the black community in a very tangible way But I can say that you know the major the major point that I'm hearing about is just you know Economic justice some form of economic justice and Let me play the apology that Joe Biden gave he got on a call with black business leaders and apologized for the comment that he made at the end of your show Let me let you listen to that The last thing I want to do and I shouldn't have been such a wise guy I shouldn't have been so cavalier and responding to what I thought was Anyway, it was I don't take it for granted at all and no one No one should have to vote for any party based on their race the religion the background Do you do you think there's a risk that not just Joe Biden? But the Democratic Party in general just takes for granted that well the black you know the black people are with us So we don't really have to give them anything else. They're gonna vote for us Regardless look they voted for Joe Biden in overwhelming numbers six and ten black voters that particularly in southern states They all voted for Joe Biden. We don't need to offer anything more Do you worry that that is the attitude that Democrats are taking toward the black community? I mean, I I know that's the attitude You know, I mean, that's why I don't even care about the words and the lip service and the apology is cool But the best apology is actually a black agenda, you know, they got to make some real policy commitments to black people We got to stop acting like the fact that blacks are over represented in America when it comes to welfare poverty unemployment homelessness drug addiction crime Coronavirus like that's no accident. Like the whole function of systemic racism is the marginalized black people And as the great dr. Claude Anderson says in the book Power Nummix White society has an out-of-sight out-of-mind attitude about racism and they don't like to have any discussions of substance about Systemic racism. So when you have black people who have the nerve to audacity the unmitigated guard to act like citizens and demand something of our Vote is a problem. It's just like you got, you know, whites telling telling us to stay in our place And you got black people saying oh stop now is not the time you're gonna get Trump re-elected It has to come to a point where we stop putting the burden on black voters to show up for Democrats and start putting the burden on Democrats to show up for black voters. Now, I think that was actually a really honest conversation That I want to see more of right There's this sense that if you say anything negatively about a Democrat or the Democratic Party's nominee ever then you're just Automatically, you know helping Donald Trump, but that's not true. We're all adults We can be honest and open about what we're getting. Joe Biden is not a good candidate. He's just not So I think these types of conversations are important to educate voters and also show Viewers of msnbc that they are capable of criticizing Democrats because this is just the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party usually so it is nice and refreshing honestly to see them Have these types of frank conversations now I will just say though because this kind of is bothering me charlemagne the god is saying all of this about Joe Biden, but Didn't he support Pete Buttigieg during the primary like I don't know if he openly endorsed Pete Buttigieg But he was featured in a Pete Buttigieg ad and stumped for him at least digitally So, I mean it doesn't make sense why you're being so hard on Joe Biden when you supported a candidate who was almost as weak as Joe Biden in the primary and he also Supported Kamala Harris and if he didn't endorse her he made the case for her on cnn or msnbc So, I mean he's not very consistent, but at times he does make good points And I do think that this is one of those times and he says Pretty simply what he wants is strong policy concessions tangibles to black america and I think this is just common sense I mean the democratic party has got to acknowledge that You can only expect the support of a community For so long until once they realize that you're not serious about delivering them the goods, whatever that may be They're going to abandon you. You're just not going to automatically have their support and that's a problem that democrats Are having with a lot of different demographics. I mean democrats are on the cusp of losing two generations millennials and gen z they uh Joe Biden in particular Is having difficulties appealing to latino voters So the problem is that democrats do take these communities for granted They think that they have these demographics unlocked because these demographics Statistically speaking aren't likely to want to support someone like donald trump But just not liking donald trump is an evidence that they're going to vote for you The problem is that voter apathy is a real issue for democrats And the issue is that they stay home and when that happens democrats lose So I don't think it's too much to ask for Joe Biden to make major economic concessions In fact, everyone should be asking for major policy concessions for Joe Biden Because the country is hurting right now. Everyone's hurting right now. So why is it so unreasonable for charlemagne the god to say Maybe since black people are so loyal to the democratic party you deliver us something Deliver us economic justice Give us something reward us for constantly being there for you when you know voter turnout is one of the biggest issues when Our community has to put up with you know, these obstacles to voting You know since the voting rights act was gutted voter ID laws and whatnot Like that that is common sense. That's what you do to win elections You make sure that you enact policies that benefit the people that are loyal to you Otherwise, they're not going to be loyal to you. You shouldn't assume that they're always going to be there for you Now joy reen made a similar point. She said do you think there's a risk that not just Joe Biden But the democratic party in general just takes for granted black people are with us So we don't really have to give them anything else because they're gonna vote for us regardless Yeah, I think there is a risk of that and I think that they're already taking black voters for granted I do And for this comment joy reed got a lot of hatred online like not everyone disagreed with her but her usual following was Very against this to put it lightly and we'll get to some of the feedback here But charlamagne adds there has to be a time when we stop Putting the burden on black voters to show up for democrats and start putting the burden on democrats To show up for black voters And he's correct here And this is true not just of black voters, but all the voters It's time for democrats to actually deliver policy concessions to their base But they don't do that they take not just black voters for granted but all voters for granted and that's That's bad. That's bad politics If you see one thing That is consistent with donald trump is that he is constantly throwing red meat to his base. It doesn't matter How you know bad the optics may be he's constantly trying to make it seem as if he is representing their interests He hasn't stopped talking about you know the wall and being xenophobic. That's what they want But democrats they try you know to have it both ways and appeal to more conservative leaning republican party voters While thinking that you know the left is going to be there for them and black voters and latino voters are going to be there for them When that's not the way that this works The further to the right that the democratic party moves The more of the left they leave out and those people aren't just going to you know Be drug along by the democratic party because there's no other option. They're just not going to vote They check out of electoral politics. That's what happens. That's what we've seen happen before it happened in 2016 So I think this conversation is incredibly important But a lot of people namely msnbc's audience, you know, they haven't been Conditioned to accept any criticism of democrats. They hate it right because msnbc is largely the propaganda wing Of the democratic party. So when you look at this video's Dislikes on youtube for an msnbc video, that's relatively high That's a lot of dislikes and one of the top commenters said this at this point I feel like even the democrats want to give trump four more years So that's why these types of open and honest conversations Don't usually take place because they have Created monsters that won't allow them to attack democrats. So whenever they actually do attack democrats They see backlash. It's why you know fire chris hayes started trending Once he covered tar reads allegations against joe biden like you you reap what you sell if you have an audience That you will have taught to never criticize democrats any and all criticism is illegitimate You know by definition because republicans are bad. This is what's going to happen You restrict yourself you kind of back yourself into an ideological and intellectual corner to where you can't criticize democrats You can't run segments like this where you are actually doing a good job Now on twitter, that's where joy reed got most of the backlash And she posted a clip of the segment and some of her fans We're not too happy about it one person tweeted when trump gets reelected and continues to appoint conservative judges Who will give harsh sentences to black men? I want you to look back at this much to do about nothing exposure you're participating in You're not covering the context of joe biden in artful remarks Another person says i think we have reached that stage Democrats try to level the field for all americans, but it's an uphill battle against the republican propaganda machine Democrats cannot favor quote only blacks. The right thing is to work for all americans The dam platform is america's best hope So obviously the entire point that joy reed and charlemagne was trying to make went over this person's head But nonetheless, there's more just scrolling now and joshua johnson on msnbc same thing beating joe up over and over Nothing about the depravity of donald j trump serious question. Does msm really want trump another four years? Is this a ratings thing another person says so another four years of trump is an acceptable outcome If biden fails to court black voters in a manner that meets their approval So i mean these comments are completely delusional Completely delusional you really don't think that msnbc covers donald trump enough and beats up on donald trump enough They don't just cover donald trump Now that he's president like during the 2015 and 2016 republican party primary They covered him arguably more so than the democratic part primary. They give donald trump more coverage than bernie sanders So what are you talking about? But you see this is The type of audience that msnbc has created they made it unacceptable They set the standard that any and all criticism of democrats is bad The only person who you can criticize is bernie sanders But any other democrat is bad and you know if you criticize them at all it's blasphemy Talk about republicans and how bad they are constantly never points out Maybe republicans are winning because democrats are so horrible. This is what msnbc has done They have lowered discourse as a network by you know engaging in sensationalist clickbait journalism where they just You know uh talk about donald trump non-stop, which is important He's the president right but they never point out the flaws with the democratic party The flaws that if democrats corrected Maybe would stop people like donald trump from taking office and here's the thing at some point donald trump will not be president That day will come He's not going to be president forever, right? He's only a human being Even if there's some sort of authoritarian power grab and he just Chooses to stay in power forever. He's only human being he's not going to live forever So there will be a day where we are in the post trump era in american politics Maybe you know republican party politicians Emulate his strategy who knows but trump will not be in power forever And there's always going to be a republican who is bad, right? It was the same with george w bush who democrats seemed to love all of a sudden But there's always going to be a republican boogie man But if you ever want to beat said republican boogie man or boogie woman if avanca wants to run or whatever You have to fix the issues with your own house You have to make sure that democrats are doing enough to appeal to their base and quite frankly They're not So maybe if more of these types of honest conversations took place on msnbc Maybe democrats would listen because they watch msnbc msnbc is an establishment based media outlet Maybe if they didn't you know cater to the needs of the democratic party establishment Maybe they might actually listen. Maybe if more of these conversations took place You know Things would be different But msnbc is the one who did this they built up this audience of conspiracy mongering, you know, uh Blue maga kool-aid drinking monsters who won't let them criticize anyone but republicans and donald trump specifically Now look, I don't want to give you the impression that all of the comments towards dory reed were negative because She actually did get a lot of praise for being honest and open about joe biden But I mean just the mere fact that msnbc pundits continuously get backlash for talking about democrats in an objective way It shows you that, you know, the democratic party and their loyalists They are becoming just as culty as the maga cult I mean, how many more articles will be released From pundits who say, you know, I don't care, you know, joe biden You know, he could boil and eat babies and I'd still vote for him I mean, this is becoming a cult and these are the same people who accused bernie sanders supporters of being a cult When we can criticize bernie sanders we're capable of introspection But here's the thing if you truly do want to beat republicans Then you can't just mute your criticisms of the democratic party because they're not perfect That may be something that is difficult for you to hear if you're a democratic party loyalist But they're not perfect. In fact, they're very flawed And if you actually listen to some of the criticisms primarily from people on the left Maybe you guys might not have to worry so much about republicans Maybe if democrats course corrected it would be republicans following democrats to the left And away from extremism on the right