 Do already. Okay. Yes, so this is what I'm going to talk about now. Hong Kong is the world's freest economy. I don't know whether I spelled that correctly. Anyone good at English? It says free easel. Anyway, so the biggest problem in Hong Kong is that we are too lucky. Okay. Not too long ago, made in China, they were closed. Okay. We make a lot of money from smuggling goods into China, medicine, you know, and things like that. Okay. And then, and then Deng Xiaoping got run. They opened up and they had to learn from us. Okay. We told them what capitalism was and then they, oh, they didn't say now that they're a very market economy. They said, oh, we're in the beginning stage of socialism. Okay. So that's what they say, what they are now. But so the unfortunate thing is quick money, very easy, no long-term will. Okay. And for many other firms, for example, Google, the Google branch in Hong Kong, very small. And last year, we did get a sponsorship and they sent people from Mainland China and they, the advertisement is to find people to work in their Shanghai and Beijing branch. Like in Hong Kong branch, there's no opening. And so that's one of the difficulties in Hong Kong. And in Hong Kong, what people think about IT people. Okay. So this is taken from, I think, a secondary textbook. And then this is a very advanced AI dog. Okay. This AI dog, very knowledgeable, answering IT questions. So they don't even think we're human. Like our representative is a very clever IT dog. Okay. So we call them IT dog. Okay. So that's an unfortunate fact for us. Okay. Okay. And as I mentioned that, actually, we were smuggling goods. Why could we smuggle goods? Because we were formerly British colony and we have a different treatment. We were like the, you know, as I said, for the freest economy in the whole world, the British, you know, less affair for quite a while. I'm not going to go into Hong Kong history. But anyway, there was a treaty that part of Hong Kong. The new territories have to be returned in 1997 to Mainland China. And Mainland China said, no, we want the whole thing. But anyway, it's not sustainable. If Britain only got the island bid, it doesn't work. So the whole Hong Kong was returned to Mainland China, have our own flags and we like, we have a seat in the WTO and China have a seat in the WTO. So we do have some privileges and some kind of high autonomy so-called for the Hong Kong government. Okay. And the same year, we found the Hong Kong Linux user group. Okay. And then by then Linux, it's a new thing. And also, very luckily, we got persecution from Microsoft. Okay. Microsoft tried to enforce their licenses. Okay. And so we got a lot of people trying to learn Linux because they tried to even catch all the public schools for using illegal Microsoft licenses. So a lot of people get interested. So we have made up every Sunday, we have monthly talks, and then we have booth. And of course, we had, I think, a lot of Linux user group did that. Linux is Solution fast and then install servers and desktop. And more interesting, this is the one thing missing. It's got the Chinese Linux extension. And then we work with our friends in Taiwan. And then because usually computers, they come in English or, you know, European characters. Okay. And then we have to work our way to make computer show Chinese characters. Okay. So that they keep us busy for a while. And then we have the open source application, the knowledge association, which emphasis on application. Okay. So after a while, the operating system is working quite well. And then we focus on getting people to use all kinds of applications like, I think, still that one, we work on fonts. Because for Hong Kong, there are some local fonts that the Taiwan is not interested to help us because only us using those characters. And we create those fonts. Okay. And then, unfortunately, as you know, if you're involved in community works, a lot of time is about leadership. Sometimes leadership, they have, they marry, have babies and all kinds of personal reasons. Then, of course, very fortunately, one of the founder of Hong Kong News Group, Sammy Fong, he was still very active. And then he found the open source Hong Kong. And this is actually very good because a lot of people say that, ah, this is a very good name when you think of open source. Who do you ask in Hong Kong? Of course, open source Hong Kong is the one you, you could ask. Okay. So there are, we follow some of the practices from leading source group. So we have monthly talks. And then we have mini hackathons. And so, yes, we have the talks, 30 of them, and then more than five hackathons. And still today, I think the open source Hong Kong is the Facebook page of group is the most active open source discussion places in Hong Kong online. And, and so we support some main open source conferences. We used to have a lot of the yearly sovereign freedom day. We celebrate that every year and so on. And then we think that, ah, well, could we take up a more international event. So we were contacted by Junome Asia team for, for years. And then one year say, ah, okay, we can try that. Okay. And then we try to organize that. Okay. And yes, that is one photo with a lot of the main people from Junome. And, and then we find that actually we need to have a nice in terms of, I would say that we need to open some kind of a company and turn it into a nonprofit organization. And we call it Hong Kong Creative Open Technology Association. Okay. So yes, that's two words important, creative and technology, because in order to get funding, the government officials, they have no knowledge of what open source is. They have no, no interest whatsoever. But if it's creative and technology, then we can, we can hopefully get some money from them. Okay. And yes, we want to promote open standards, free software, open source software, open hardware, free culture works, open content, creative comments. Yes. Yeah. That's a lot of terms because if you go into it, free culture works open content, open creative are slightly different. But I'm not going to go into the history about Richard Stormway complaining about some of the NC stuff and stuff like that. That, that's interesting. But yeah, but we try to catch as much as we can in our missions, you know, objective. And then we're very lucky to get the tax department, the EM Referee Department, saying that if people donate to us, it will be, they can pay less tax. Okay. Yes. So that's, that's very useful. This number, we go everywhere to talk to business, business and government alliance. We got this number. Okay. So this is recognized by the government. And then we run with the experience from Genome.Asia. We run more local Hong Kong open source conference from 2013 to, yeah, practically every year. Okay. And, and we have PyCon. We started about two and a bit more years ago. And then we are going to run our third year this year, first time this year. Okay. And so for the statistics that the Genome.Asia summit, we have 125 people. And then we do the Hong Kong open source conference. And then people goes basically more than double. Okay. And then we have the PyCon Hong Kong. Then, yeah, it's about 200 people. And then we are getting more and more overseas speakers and more and more overseas participants over the years. And for the Hong Kong open source conference, we usually got more sponsorship. And we usually can sponsor a few people overseas speakers for a hotel and also the plane fare. Okay. So that is a situation. And then locally, we, once again, because, yes, China is computing, you have, the work's never done. You also always have more work to do. So what's that? Is that? Okay. So what happens is, usually the government likes standards. Okay. So the Education Bureau have a standard on how to write the characters. Okay. And yes, this is how Taiwanese friends, governments say that, that should be like this. Okay. For this word. Okay. And then this is how the Hong Kong government say the words should be like this. Okay. But the Hong Kong government create this word in flesh. Okay. And even on this website, are the characters on this webpage is looked like this because for the Microsoft Windows, the phones are created by our Taiwanese friends. And so the credits are different. So we get some, okay. We have some, we have some elderly people. And then, yeah, we, one of our activists all the way from the days of Linux user group. He's a social worker, very rare, like usually it's like I keep dog like us, right? And he's, he's one of the senior staff in elderly center. And he believed that elderly people are not just sitting there and we send kids to sing, you know, choir of kids and sing songs to them and today. No, elderly people, they're still very heavy, healthy, they're capable even in the area of IT and they, they actually change the fonts to match the standard of the education bureau. Actually, we also again have to say thank you to our Taiwanese friends because your government do open data and they open up a phone, the Kaisui, okay, so that we can change your phone. Okay. So also thank you for creating comments. So, so the story is very strange. We got an open phone from the Taiwanese government and the elderly changed that so that we can help the student in Hong Kong to match the standard of the Hong Kong education bureau. Okay. And so of 10 minutes. Okay, good. So, yeah, so this is, yeah, we also say thank you to the elderly people because it's not easy to to work around with fonts. It's not easy. And but we, we, that's what we do as well. Okay. Where is that? Okay. Okay. Yep. And also, in terms of education, we, if you go to our booth at the entrance, we built small size 3D printers. And this 3D printer is not just built by us. It's actually, it comes in a kit form where the students can put put together by themselves so that they're not just users of the 3D printer. They can understand how the program works. Okay. And, and we created small so that the problem is that in a lot of school, a Hong Kong is a relatively rich place and education bureau got some money. And usually school can get money to buy one or two 3D printers. But that's not enough. Most students will never touch that. So we want small printers that can integrate with the computer room so that each computer can connect to one or two computer connected one so that students can use it and practice 3D printing. Okay. And also we have a 3D printed chassis that we put in component. It's called Tommy Car because the creator of the car is called Tommy. And then, and then this can help students to understand electronics. We use Adreno so that they can use the standard IDE to learn programming. Okay. And also we have the open spider where, where, because usually for robot with legs usually they will be humanoid. That will be like models like human with two legs. But to give the student more of a challenge, we have spider of four legs and six legs so that they need to think about how to get the spider to walk and also to go through some obstacles. Okay. So yes, we will do answers about those things. Yes. We haven't released their design yet. We will be. Okay. Yes, they are over halfway there. We haven't, yeah. We haven't, we are going to show, put their design up very soon. Okay. And yes. So what is the final message for all of this? Come to our booth. Yes. We've got things to show you. And also the open source conference will be the 9th and 10th of June. Okay. If you can come, that would be great. Okay. Come to the conferences and then the PyCon will be somewhere around October and November. Okay. And if you want to keep up with us, yes, the, as I mentioned that the open source Hong Kong Facebook is actually the most active place where proper IT people and like and other activists, they talk about open source things. And please also come to the open source Hong Kong website. And you will see our latest news. Okay. So I still have a few minutes. Five minutes. Five minutes. So I can spend that on questions. Please ask me questions. Language question. The character you were showing before that's different in Taiwan and Taiwan. Yeah. Is that the equivalent like English versus American spelling? So for example, people understand it. They know what they're reading. It's not actually a problem. It's really just the language to pickers to go, but that's not quite right. There's a human color. Oh, no. Okay. Okay. I better show that one. Yes. That is what people ask us as well. Okay. If you ask me, is that really very fundamental? My personal answer would be no because, you know, those characters are produced by brush, you know, and that our ancestors, they are very artistic. They have, you know, in one of the dictionary something like two or three that a hundred years ago, one of the words seven, seven, they have something like four styles in the, in the dictionary, not like in history. In history, there's many like all the famous calligraphy, you know, people, they, they, you know, use the brush and make it very beautiful, but they never could imagine something called computer, right? You know, and just a thousand years ago, of course they, they, but it's understandable. Like you can see that quite similar. Like we, like, I won't fight with Franklin over, like, but on the other hand, there are, you know, character historians that tracks back and say that this is more correct than that one. And then, and then we have different, you know, character historians in Hong Kong and in Taiwan. And so we end up with different writing styles. Okay. So that, that is the story. And, and of course it's quite political. So this is a Taiwan style, this Hong Kong style, and also though the mainland China, they write in a simplified form, they also have a standard on this traditional form. So we have three standards at least. Okay, three standards at least. Okay. Is it political, because the government becomes involved? Of course, it always has been that way. Yes. More than a few thousand years, or Chinese characters in the government, by the government, central government. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we have a long tradition of examination system. Okay. And then the examination system, you know, standardize everything. I was told that even the characters got standardized as well. Even, you know, hundreds of years ago. But of course, we can also argue whether that is the standard. You know, that should be what we may not say. Yes, that's the standard for the Qing dynasty, but we are not Qing dynasty anymore. And should that be standard, you know, so we get out there as well. Currently, the whole Chinese colonial system. So compared with our ancestors about 2000 years ago, we got about 60 years ago. Okay, yeah, yeah. So in the first standard of the Linux user group, do you have problem finding hardwares? Of course, of course. And to some extent, that's to our advantage, people will come to us and ask questions and say, oh, do you have drivers for this? You know, where do you solve this problem? We have about 100 people, most monthly meetings. Yeah. But nowadays, it's become better and so and also easy to find solutions online. So people will come to see us in person. So that's it. Yeah. The Hong Kong government, as I said, Hong Kong very lucky. The government is surplus, lots of surplus, very strange government, you know, all government borrow money, the Hong Kong government got a lot of money, they never had to spend it. Actually, how does that happen? Because Hong Kong taxes are particularly low and it's not very new. I can explain to you a very complete answer, but not now. But yeah, and so they just paid Microsoft, okay, or whatever went up. There is, you know, and they biggest of the money. Okay. What's interesting is that the original form of Taiwan, you know, it is made by means of education in Taiwan, but the very ridiculous thing is that at first, it is licensed to see people in Taiwan only. And several people in Taiwan, in the open source community, we push them to make, change his license to see the license. So, yeah, so now you mean, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and thank you. But licensed from whom? From the government. Also the government. The government only let, let him use it, not me. Okay. So you say that it's not everyone in the book is being able to use it. Yeah. So, yes. Okay, so, is it time? So for a minute, a quick answer is that when there's a handover from British to Chinese, the British complain that the, another Chinese complain that the British will use all the money on the government. So the, there's only a limited amount of land that the British could sell for about 20 years. So the land price goes up and then the government become very rich by selling land. And then we have to pay a lot of money to buy a very small apartment. So we as Hong Kong people pay actually a lot of tax through paying up on mortgage. Okay. And the government got rich. That's okay. So it's basically property tax they're making money from because of the value of land. Oh, yes. Chinese government always complain before about 20 years that the government spent too much. Okay. So they're not spending. They just keep on the money. And so, and then the home government learned from the British that they should not spend too much money. So they're very concerned about spending money. The Chinese complain they use too much money. So end up there, we got a lot of money. For the government only, like, I want to have part of it, but you know, we suppose they have part of it, but no, we don't have it.