 We'll call the meeting to order. But the paint job looks great. Maybe it's painted shut. One of these times that we'll all come together. The clock will go, the bell will chime, and the paint is on the counter. It will happen at some point. First order is to approve the agenda. Does anybody have anything they'd like to add? I think we need to add what's all I have. I think that this is a mail-on for our agency. The contract documents for Bridge 33's Holyfield Road Bridge. Okay. We'll replace our agency contract and we'll get that through the contract and we'll sign the contract. Okay. So we'll be okay with putting that down as order three of business? Mm-hmm. So, Lily'sville Bridge contract. Anybody have anything else? We'll accept the minutes as amended. Second. I mean, not the minutes, the agenda. Copy, sir? Yeah. Should be copies of the agenda on the table. So we'll now open it up for public comment inquiry. If there's anything that isn't on the agenda for this evening, this will be the time to bring it forward. Just make sure when you do stand up that you make sure that you say your name and you have it for the record. Doug, anything? No. No. Anybody else? Anything? All right. Well, here and none, we will move forward. We do have an appointment that's scheduled for 6.30. And he's here. Possibly. He's here. He's here. What? Does the board care to move forward with that now being that the gentleman's here or do we... Sure. Okay. I have a little something I just put up on the screen. I just wanted to do that. I can't get my computer to work with the screen. What happened? Mom, I've been working on for... Oh, okay. Yeah, that's what I've been working on, yeah. All right. So, yeah, you won't go. We still are not meeting. Okay. Okay. Well, I can just go from there. Now the time. Sure. Yep. All right. Well, hi. I'm Ron McFadden. And I've been there for 25 years now. I've had two kids, eight years old, and I'm joining this final day of summer and running around the mountains in the river. So what I want to talk to you all about is recently, the primary day, I became the right-hand candidate for in this district. And since I saw you all gathered here today, I thought I'd take the opportunity to tell you what I'm doing. I'm kicking off a campaign. I have campaign headquarters over in our block right now. And I'm expecting it to grow somewhat significantly and quickly because I'm stepping away from my job. I've been came here from Ohio. I've always worked for an Ohio company doing, I guess, exactly what the state is offering to pay people $10,000 to move here to do. Working from the side of the mountain in Gatesville, Vermont with limited or zero Wi-Fi cell service or anything with my Ohio company, you know, paying all bills. So they're doing that for 25 years or not. And I have a job. A job that's not really easy to find around here. But when I got that right in, some people from my district said, we want you to run for this. That's kind of taken up like a call to duty. And I'm trying to think what I can do to, you know, really help everybody in the community. So I'm not going to do this unless I think I can. So I've talked to work and I'm getting a leave of absence to run the campaign. And if I'm elected, I can step out of leave of absence and take this pretty seriously and take some rest too. So, you know, we'll see how things go with the campaign kickoff, but I'm expecting success or I wouldn't be walking away from what I have right now as aerospace sales engineer for attempted preparation. So I'm confident in this, but I don't want to surprise anybody. My campaign is to pursue Vermont prosperity. And right now, the state has an incredible opportunity in front of us. But we don't see that it's going to shrink exponentially with every month that passes. And this, when houses back in session in January, that's the time that makes it happen. And we're sitting here at a $57 billion a year industry emerging right now. That's the numbers that are forecasted for 2027. So, you know, that's going to decades now. That's going to be the size of the industry. Canada is already legal in Vermont. We can sit back and not seize the opportunity and end up having the marijuana dispensary in a corner in every fifth hour or so, just like we have the liquor stores. Or we can seize this opportunity and lead this industry to locate here and break down all of the barriers and be the North leader in this $57 billion a year industry. And I'm passionate about it. I have the facts surrounding it. I have support. People are actually, you know, friends and people are close to moving across the country to help with this right now. And so I have a pretty good vision. And I'm going to launch it right here from Bethel. And so my intent is to serve my district first. You know, if things take off like I'm planning, I'd like to buy a location in here, here in downtown for campaign headquarters and then turn it into a partial location shortly after the election. So I'd like your support. Those are my plans right now. I don't even want to be blindsided by this, because I'm expecting a lot of traffic in town right now, shortly after the launch. And I'm going to have a launch over here at the new establishment in town of Bay on Thursday, from 6 to 8. I'll go track some food trucks. I have some music. I'm going to talk about my platform and try to get on the sport. So that's what I got. This is the first step of talking about this public place. I hope you're all receptive to it. I want to do it either way, that I want to talk to you all about it and make you as comfortable as you are on this. If I get some support and you guys can come out on Thursday, that would be great. Okay. All right. Thanks for your time. Okay, thank you. Okay. Probably best to just send it to Greg at the town office and he can get it sent out to everybody. So we will move on. Move on to order one of the evening, which is, we were going to, we talked about in our meetings there earlier that, or we have been throughout the course of the year of doing monthly, now with the monthly budget. We talked about it maybe about a month and a half ago about kind of doing a end budget review. So this is kind of an unofficial, unaudited budget review of how we just came out of our, our last budget. So that's what we want to kind of go through this evening. I think the way I'd like to do it is, is everybody have on the board the, the unaudited. Yep. So I think the, what we'd like to do or what I'd like to do this evening is just go through the, the budget that we just came out of. I mean, not with every single line item, but maybe just start with the revenue, talk a little bit about the revenue, what, what good, what didn't. And maybe as we're talking through things, we can kind of put it out there of maybe changes or perceived changes for the, for the up and coming budget, you know, that we can look to, to make some changes on that. So I guess we'll just kind of open it up to the revenue side of things. It means that's first. You'll, Well, I mean, if you break down the revenues, I didn't have a chance to take the property taxes out of that number. But we did, we did come in and collect more revenue than we had budgeted. And Teresa will be able to talk to that a little more in detail. From looking at it, a majority of that was, was collecting some of the back taxes that had been lingering in the town for, you know, several years. We really put, was it about mid-September? October, we really started when you came in in September, right? So that became a pretty big focus last year. And we had kind of budgeted on the town as, our goal was to try and collect 50,000 of that back tax amount. The unedited, audited number right now is about 141,000 that we were able to collect that was outstanding to the town. So, I mean, first, I think Teresa is doing an awesome job. She's really got her thumb on, on all this. So we were able to beat that by $91,000 on the delinquency tax amount. I guess probably one thing I probably should have asked it. Do you know where we're sitting right now, delinquency taxes today? At the end of... 292. Yeah, and some of this, I know, is the properties that are selling. So we're just going to, we're just going to, I don't know, we're going to figure out the amount of back sales. So I was going to say that number, nothing was going to look better after tax sales. But we were sitting at, when we went to the voters, or when we talked about in town meeting day, we were sitting around 400,000 in delinquent taxes. So right now we're, we're in the 292, so... And it's tough too, because, you know, you have to remember that when you're looking at it that you're doing, we're drilling taxes, we're drilling for two installments. So it depends what, just the leader goes to installments and not himself. Right. But, so yeah, so you were right, there was no local budget, no back taxes that you had a budget for. And there's a grant in here, you're asking about that too. Yep. But under this language, local revenue, well, first of all, local revenue is the top. You can see where we undercut the amount of rental fees. We over-collect the interact area fees, so that actually I don't know, making that number work. Under this language, local revenues, the 2011 HMGP home buyout, it looks like the extension was made in 1916 and 17. Right. So, we also had some other, the $12,000 and other. We got our cemetery growing reimbursement from the public justice, the public funds. There's some of these that were avoided checks and needed some. So, this one that you won't see again. Okay. If you go under state and federal revenues, you're going to see a home land security ramp, which is for offsets of expense in the fire department. Great. And there's a costable ramp which offsets an expense in the costable and draw a hydrogen ramp of $4,000. So, some of those are part of the budget because you don't know where it's created. You don't know for anything. So, but they generally offset any expense. So, I assume when they happen in the same year. Right. Which is hopefully what you feel because if you don't go home out as a repayment, so we'll end up going out. Hopefully, yeah, in this case, I know the I know the home land security ramp fire department was spent and I know the costable ramp was spent. It was spent so we could do that. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, and also, like the current use, like the taxes, so it also means that people are paying So, I just took out what we paid in school and then that ramped the 24,000 661 and came up with 2.29. Okay. Because you were asking, ma'am, but then the old club is all proceeds of debt, which is we have recovery zone economic development bonds and you can write to the IRS and they will refund you a portion of your interest and that will vary depending on sequestration rates and it's like a little bit of a history that we had. So all of the money did as far as you know all five infections. Right. I was just trying to, I hadn't put the number in there before but we were, it looks like we had budgeted for 413,000 and local revenues and we ended up coming in at about 603,000. Is that son of a right? Yeah. Of 91,000 of that was, well, 91,000 was above and beyond the tax collection. And we'll put a number in, so we'll put a number this time. So it looks crazy, because you don't put a number for school tax. You don't put a number for copy tax of the story. Right. You have to go back and delete them out. Okay. Did anybody have any questions in regards to the revenue and the things? Yeah, I was just thinking maybe just kind of a higher level overview of each department. It looks like, you know, when anything kind of sticks out. Well, the new department ended up, would have been fine, would have come in on the budget, but because someone had only budgeted $15,000 for the 2011 interest on that bond, which was actually $21,000, there was a big difference right there. Which one did I note? At the very end of other public works, at the very end of the top page four, Oh, four. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say public works is like it came in right on target. Other than the breakdowns and the higher services that we had to render in the winter. But a lot of these come to credit of, you know, now the system of actually having the department heads come in and code their own bills. I mean, they're actually seeing what they're spending. Correct. Right. Right. Yeah. We can just update Greg's, all animals go to Greg's house. That's right. We voted on it. I just want to just, some of these, I mean, some of these were under came in under budget and, you know, that's always good. But we should probably raise the question of why did it, you know, is it an anomaly for one year that, you know, even though we budgeted a certain amount this year? Was that really the number and something through that off that? Because that, you know, last thing I want to do is under budget it and then next year have it be over. And it looked like most of it was some staff and labor came under, which was like the staff labor supplies and chlorine look to be like the bigger heavy hitters there that And don't forget any expenses that come in. We have one more accounts payable round that's going to go back to this because any expenses that come in by the end of August and long into June will go back. Yeah. So, I have a little bit of a don't care. But some of it is going to be, as I've said, publicly and I'll say again and again and again. And, you know, we're really a couple, two possibly three years out. Really seeing what that was real much because you continue to have the things that we thought that either, you know, I'm not aware of right. I'm aware of or, you know, I'm stating something that's coming out. So I still think we're, you know, inching every year for the better budget. So it's going to be a little bit longer. But I think the right it's just like when we created the budget that we put in front of over some March. That was definitely us looking at past history. Because even with this budget that we're just ending with only, only maybe a third or a little more than a third of that budget was with both of you in the office. Right. You know, and coding and things. I mean, there was. Well, it wasn't until we got over. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe half. Half of it. So. Which is great. And it was sometimes for the partner as they have been asked to do it before. So. So, Teresa, dumb question that parking lot electricity. You look at that one is that just a question of something didn't get coded for you? It's changed. Something has changed. Just as an example. You know, it could have been that there was a repair. That was a repair. Yeah. There was some lighting. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if it was, it came out of this budget and had anything to do with it. Yeah. Okay. So that's maybe something we'll look at in this next budget. Well, that's some of the stuff too is now that we're coding things in correct areas, there might be some of these areas that look like we didn't spend anything when everything else got coded to a correct area that looks like it ran over or something. I think it's in the parks and public places that were the portal at some shoveling, you know, that we had some to do with. And so that was. That like falls under the. Public places still came in under budget. There's some stuff that had anything to do with the rent. That stuff kind of falls under the other category? The other. Okay. It was like it did not pass. Okay. And if you look at it's 36,000 over the estimate, but between, well, 30,000 of that 36,000 is the town clerk and the adjustment in the health insurance. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. You know, you know, some of these things are just like right from the way that's going to be your time range. Then you need to be looking at what they have for outstanding, you know, to be budgeted in correct. Right. Or if you're lucky enough to come up with an undissipting fund that happens for circles, then, you know, maybe you said some aside to cover those expenses. So that's really what they're doing in the municipal office. Town Hall was under budget. Town Hall was under budget probably because it was under revenue as well. Is that, you know, is that kind of the, you know. And we need to stand in front of the painting and the blocks. Right. So if the painting was on this past year's budget, did it get moved to, okay. Okay. So it did. It did get moved. Okay. And the other one was darker solar, which was on the state. That's not what was going to be the state. There's a piece of land that has a big solar right on it and something changing in the state's actually. So we've had two large tax abatements. You know, it's pretty rare that you're going to get two big tax abatements in one of your general lands. It's just, you know, it's going to change a little bit. So do you think, I know you and I talked a little bit earlier. I mean, it's kind of one of those things abatement should be budgeting a number for abatements. I mean, some people will say, no, you shouldn't, but then you got to think we do abate things all the time. So one thing I talked about was maybe going back and see what our three or five year average is. Exactly. And then maybe we can plug that in as, you know, if our average is $5,000, maybe we'll put that in there. You had to say we're not abating anything. You don't have any budget, so I'm sorry. So when we have a BCA, you know, grievance on taxes and whatnot, sometimes, you know, they go one way or the other. Right. But that would commit to falling to that. Yeah. Basket. So maybe if we could just take a look at, I mean, maybe that. And we may, it's the same as it was last year. So it's a hundred. Yeah. Yeah. Which I wouldn't usually think of. I would add to guess it's in the thousands every year, you know. Right. I would think so. If you go back and look at the last. Yeah, we'll take it. I guess I think abatements are, you know, 3,000 or 5,000 or more. Would just, I mean, just the last year. Yeah. I mean, just the last year. Just the projected. That was at the end of it. No. No. Not this one. But I mean, we just looked at $5,700 last year. Yeah. So. The other thing that was your single bill, we got just 50 cents on four. That was a couple things that was certainly rebound viable because you had to put a quarter of that. And then you still paid for tax abatement. Under, obviously, the water bill and any other, you had the zoning issues that went to the environmental foreground. So you would have had that. It's hard to tell exactly what they went to for it. And I know legal was one of the, we increased legal for this current year's budget that we're in now, which I think was 25,000. Yeah, that sounds. What we went to. So that would have been closer. Of course, legal is one of those things that, again, you know, it could be nothing or it could be a big number or somewhere in the middle. It's kind of hard to. And in the auditing services. Yep, so I think, you know, as you didn't have to bring it for Monday, but a sign has been written now to be right. I can remember the first year it was 25,000, but I'll tell you, when I came in September, I made all the sovereign powers. Every single one of your cash balances was off. Your cash payable didn't balance. None of your numbers were good. So I called and said, I don't know what I'm doing. That has a separate track. Also, Fred, we're going to help us a lot with FEMA. We're going to help FEMA with the bad money where we're understanding FEMA without the sovereign powers. But we do have agreement now, so we can next year. I tried to go to the agreement first, but I didn't do that. It was 20s, low 20s, I think. Yeah. They decreased in that, and then he also gave us a three year amount. Well, I mean, they were looking at trying to play catch up from previous years, as well as. One of the last round. As well as. The office over there was, you know, when they came in, they had to do a lot of work that they probably shouldn't have had to do. Yeah, exactly right. They should have had to do that. And then there was stuff that they had to know what they needed. Right. They didn't figure out. So. We know next year what the number is. Anything above that, they just break off. And we talked about legal and auditing services at Town Meeting Day. And if I remember right at Town Meeting Day, that, you know, that had blown, or that had increased the budget by it was almost like a cent and a half on our tax rate. Just, you know, we're spending it, now we're going to budget for it. And, you know, I mean, here we are, here we budgeted 40,000 for those services and it ended up coming in somewhere around 78, 79,000. So. I know we won't be auditing. Advertising is over, but, you know, if you have a D.L.D., you're advertising. For my job, you're advertising. The road for positions. Town clerk, select board. The other one was other, which was big number, 1900. I found, so when I came with an interception, somebody had a major order for the year 2016, 941 taxes to IRS so we think there's almost 3 grand in it. That was a big list of refunds of tax overpayments that were sent out which you won't see again. So that's what we're looking at. Your appropriations are obviously coming to us. And the expense, which is down a lot of that, that was, you know, there's moving expenses of pay, right cell phone bills, very good to go on. So anyway, I thought I made a number of about $48,000, which is at this point which is currently on this day, but you're sure about it this year. Yeah. You're not able to pay any bills so the last time you're going to come in and go back, I think what's, you know, when we talked was again at town meeting days and we have at some of the other board meeting census, what's important is to make sure that, especially this year, like we did an excellent job of collecting back taxes. Right. And, you know, net-wise we came out $48,000, as of right now, un-audited ahead, but we also still have work to do and, you know, I don't want to get, but the budget that we've not really, everybody here had designed and worked through, but if you take the budget that we had gone through, we're about $17,000, $17,000, $18,000 off of where our target was, which is, it's almost one cent on the, on the tax rate. Great. Yeah. Right. That's the whole thing. I mean, it's a whole different viewpoint of how the department has put on the spot. They know what they're spending and what that budget is, and they're being looked at closer. It's a whole different attitude. I mean, I guess the way I look at it is personally, what I think to see is, is to take the $91,000 of extra tax collections that was above and beyond the budget. I personally would like to see that get designated as part of the budget. So, you know, that gets out to the voters to vote on. And then what that does then is it does set us in a negative budget deficit that then can be retired in our next budgeting season, correctly. Well, I mean, you are, but you're identifying, you're clearly putting it out there. What exactly, you know, because we can all, you know, we've seen that commercial in the football there with the monkeys and the arrows pointing down and then one of the monkeys flips the graph up and then it points upwards and they're all cheering. But I mean, we could, we, I mean, it's great that we came in $40,000 ahead. But our budget itself that we worked with did, you know, we also, we got to that is to see what is our undescribated fund amount. So right now, we, that's still in the hold. So, we came to this point, it's very full of energy to suggest that we move money back to the voters. You know, it's always wonderful to look at the offset taxes by 10 grand or whatever. At this point, I've taught my head my advice would be what Fred said is that we need to build a small undescribated fund amount because of what we are doing right now. That's one of the wheels just on the bus. And instead of having to go to the voters every single year and say, okay, I'll give you a short call of 10 or 15, you can make that up. I don't know if that's going to happen. But as that builds, we can always go to offset taxes, you know, we certainly do that time. I mean, again, yeah, I think the way that I look at things is the over-collected revenues should be putting its own undescribated fund. And then that's up to the select board. And I think that's the most important thing. I think that's the most important thing. And then that's up to the select board and the voters to the side if we are going to leave it in there or if we're going to vote on to see what we're going to put that towards. And probably the most logical thing is to keep it in and build that because I think he said, we need maybe a quarter million or something, what we should have in there rather than having to borrow from the banks every once in a while. But we also need to identify that we had a negative or we had a deficit in the budget and we should retire that deficit. Because I understand that. But if, you know, I mean, you can't you can take your you take your $91,000 grand if you don't have $91,000 it's $48,000. However, you can balance that $91,000 minus $48,000. And you can take that difference and you can use that as a deficit retirement. I mean, because we did we have a deficit. And you know our budget for a deficit. You had $25,000 in there as a expense to offset. So there was also that expense which you might have on expense but you don't actually use the money by either inflating what you're, you know, collecting. So yeah, so I understand exactly and I just think clearly I mean, we want to be as transparent as possible and I think because quickly someone can do the math and say well you took in $91,000 extra and you only came up 48 ahead so what happened to the rest of them? It's pretty easy to figure that out. And unfortunately I think that's one of the reasons that Fred said that, Lissy said about paying on leave time things like that stuff that we have in the budget we have it in no, I agree we need to keep some money and I think the magic number is around a quarter million that should be in our account but I think if we go with the voters and say you know we collected $91,000 extra in revenue and we had a deficit in the budget of X you know I think that's speaking for myself but the board weigh in as well because if not we're just doing the same thing that we've done in the past except for this time we came out ahead and in the past they just kept moving along and we were upside down and all of a sudden we're going to retire this deficit you know I mean it's a good thing it's a good thing when we're in the positive and having to figure out how we do that rather than being the negative and we got you know we got another budget to put together which really this budget won't even be our first budget because we're still working through some of the past budgets and costs that well and yeah exactly we built it best we built it off it's brutal a lot of stuff and all of the things that are skeletal we come out of the positive the budget that we just started in July was a good budget and I still think it's you know I still think it's going to be a good budget were there any things Greg that I know we were looking pretty tight at that budget in June and you know trying not to do anything else we absolutely had to do it is there anything that we probably should have done that we didn't get to or you know just because of trying to balance the budget that oh I think it's a little too early to figure that out I think we have to see how things go you know I think we'll need to just figure out how to end up our line items maybe get a cab we've got to probably get a line we know what we're going to do there what we need to figure out what we're going to do with our facilities and so other cabs I mean there were things that were omitted from that budget to make it work but it's okay but you feel confident that some of the things that may not have gotten we will get it in this current budget that we're just starting so and it's very but I think we're okay and there are a few things that we we may notice we have we have we have a working budget and then I just need notes for you know but one of the things we're doing right now I see we're kind of capital building plan I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have I have see as we graduate by faculty, let's early focusing on capital budgets, taking over the water school grounds and working with Greg and Tim about that as far as making sure that we know who has what things come to life to be used. We also, since the ordinance did pass this last act, so we're going to try to still our own two new blocks, so we'll build them now. We're now with the ordinance so that if you are at a latency rate, so that we change. So as far as this year's eligible for work here, things that were short, I mean nothing is going to change at this point. There's no big side of everything from any of the rules that they were not getting something or expecting something. Well, I'm just using an example of, you know, tightening up on, let's say, putting gravel down on certain roads that we didn't, and maybe we just graded instead of the gravel. You know, just something like that, but I didn't know. How about water and sewer? I mean, it looks like they came in for three, four percent high from budgeted. We don't really have any information to see how that is over a period of time because I'm just starting doing this, but. So yeah, so sewer. Because you got sewer was about 9,000. Yeah, yeah. And some of that was there was a grant, right? Well, you can see that. About both of them, 9,000. Sewer shows in the grants for revenues of grants and education fees. There's also engineering, but yeah, they still end up coming out ahead. Okay. You know, Tim has had this a long time. I think he does a good job with managing his budgets and managing the system. We did just some further demands. It's much more doable. So doing some of that this year, or at least this year, we've come to the end of the year or something, right here. So overall, no debt. Nothing that, you know, came out pretty close. Sewer budget, we're already in rough shape anyway, so they came up with the same thing with water. I mean, again, with these, is there anything that didn't show up in here that could have that we avoided, you know? Well, I'm sure with Tim, I've had more of that with water. Sewer is always, you know, it's always maintenance that you're always trying to decide, you know, triage basically can be repaired or is it, you know, maybe repaired is how to do it. And I think we just finished out the wastewater assessment that we did, that we had done. And that allowed us to prepare some of these items too. If you look in there, you'll see that, like, the maintenance equipment, that's doubled, and that's the natural debt I'd even plumped when I'm down. But what this analysis gave was to provide us with the useful life of these equipment so we could prepare a capital improvement plan. And I mean, budget for that instead of just having candidates in the face. So the intent is to hopefully get the head of these things before they actually break down. So between the analysis we did with the sanitary sewer and we got a lot of magic coming out of it as well, that allowed us to create these capital improvement plans. To hopefully stop some of this over-expansion of these lands on things we've already done. It's really nice. It's all reactive, for sure. And the other was the labor. The labor was a little high because we had with the new personnel policy, because they only allowed for so much carryover of vacation time. And we had a couple of employees that had extra vacation time they had been granted a pass. We had to bring them down before they were supposed to take it. So we had to pay them out to get to the house so they could get for a vacation time and meet that requirement of their personal policy. And that happened to sewer. And I know the side of the repayment, a lot of the side sellers of the repayment highway department used to work in the laundry department but they had budgeted to do that. So either I don't want to leave it to their water budget because if you look reimbursed to become a Bethel, whoever did the budgets last time to make sure that the general fund budget matched the water budget. So the general fund budget called for the water budget to reimburse them for $13,416 but they only budgeted for $11,000. And I see the sewer was the opposite. And then under both the water and the sewer there's items in there for auditing services. Now, do those that just not get coded or does that just all fall under the town's portion? Or maybe we take those out going forward? I suppose you could write a check from the water sewer to the general fund. I guess I got spread when they came back because I'm not sure if you can quantify this. Because we had budgeted $8,000. Right. But there's $8,000 that was budgeted for those two identities for auditing services that didn't. Right. No cost hit that so that's $8,000 that came out of the taxpayers. But it's not not sure it's necessary. Right. Maybe going forward how we should budget for that. Yes, exactly. And they under collected their revenues. They had budgeted $10,000 to collect it. Yes, they also under spent taking and hauling. But they also had, they wrote off $30,000 in prep debt with a big chunk of what they wrote off. Of course the RTS court gets to this as well. Elements are in for some reason they didn't budget enough. I think that's something that we definitely got out of our handle on the current budget that we're working on. Because I'm not sure how that will be pledging for each RRA as well as the premium. Okay. So we made all of the parking up to that this year. So. Yeah, because it looks like. Obviously. Well, the difference between. The lower tipping. Cost versus the. Revenue that was anticipated that didn't happen as 100,000. You know, between those two. To figure the difference. We go back to water. Greg. Question is pop my head where are we at with the water assessment in the last time we were like 95% or. So it's the final draft is at the state. So everything is basically you were there. Just have to give their final. We are we feeling good that we'll get the information back in a timely manner that we can budget. Coming budget. I think we'll see the final argument. I'll do it in the next few times. That'll give us time. We've already spoken numerous times about. Which projects need to go. We've not already. All that. All that. So we've got a little. We're going to be moving forward. I think. We should. You should see it in our graph. Like I said. So back to the general plan. I think. Obviously. There's the. Really. And I know. She's talking about. I have the opportunity to go to. Economic development. While. We want to put together. Presentation. Or. Costs. You're always. We really can't. Obviously. Sitting on. We're still. I think. Really. Grow. Absolutely. And. Both. Offset. So. Which is great. We'll see it. And. That's. That's. That's. Great. Great. Great. Just a quick update on that. I actually last weekend. Spoke with our states. Economic development commissioner. And started a conversation with her. About. Just sort of first steps to. Be able to do that presentation of what are what are some of the. Options we can present to the board as okay here's what we as. A town can do in the position we're currently in so. I'm starting that conversation but it's it's a slow moving. Thing for now. We did certainly. A lot of good information and just. Even as simple as you know. Building off of it to. Have the town. You really have some great ideas. It's great. A lot of. Great. It was. Great information. Inspired. But I definitely think that's. Can be nice to see the board get it together. Of. Business owners in the village. In town and. What's working for them. How are they. Working out together. It needs to be. Well I know the town of Bethel has. You know we're kind of handicapped when it comes to. Developing. Future lands because you know we don't have a lot of. Development opportunities but you know the organic growth. And the things of what we do have and. Being more efficient with what we do have and bringing people in. It's probably the. I would think would be a large focus. With. That. Doesn't. No. No. What's the board feel with. I mean I think. Mainly was this. Discuss what we just went through. And you know just like we did we brought. In the conversation there were several things that. Maybe we'll look at budgeting a little different next time. You know. And. I mean I think we're definitely heading in the right direction. When it comes to. Coding our costs so we know what it actually costs us to do business. In different departments. And it sounds like our department heads now that they have been. Empowered to. Be leaders in their departments are. Showing that by. Their budgets coming in. On target. Which is good to see. We're going to have to look at. Like you and I were talking about today. We'll have to look at. You know we've been. You know usually in a budget you should not be budgeting for. Collecting. Back taxes. So. You know where. Our town has gotten in that position to. Put in the budget to collect back taxes. Now we need to. We need to. Be. We need to. Move that number. Down. But we can't do it in one year either because. If you budget $50,000 in revenues. That. Doesn't happen. Then. Then that's you know two and a half cents on your. On your list. But we'll have to probably just. That with some of our costs. End of things to balance that. Not affect the tax payers. You know. You know. You know. You know. You know. You know. $50,000. Some of those properties are. Yeah. Anybody from the board have any. Questions in regards to. The budget. Where we're at. We're definitely headed in the right direction. So. Any comments from the. Crowd. All right. Thank you three. Thank you. So we will move on. Number two. 257 dark hill reclassification. Let's read. Oh yeah. It's up to speed with that. Sometimes if you turn the. Sometimes when I have at work. If. If I turn the laptop on before the. Elmo. That doesn't work. For whatever reason. It's just. That's. I've got. So this. Right. And. Requested. A. Or. Last three. So. The. Discuss. The. Last three. Of. The. That. You. Best of the. So. The board asked me a lot, and we looked at the rules, kind of taken as an analysis of the board and states how it meets the criteria that we have in code. Yeah, I can all fit to the slide. I think she's capable of actually doing so. Okay. Just right back here. But back to the one that has the address on the first. So I did them out there. So I took the code, and that first long page there from page number two with all the text. And that is basically all of the criteria for a roadway that we have in our code. And so I went through all these slides. I went out and looked through the roadway and saw how they met that criteria or how it did not meet that criteria. And that's really the slide that I'm going to go through. We'll kind of show you what I saw. I'm glad that you all are here. Because I didn't do anything. I didn't get in anything. So there may be something that I didn't see that's actually there. So I just looked through these. I said I'll look through these and we'll look at each criteria and if they meet or if you don't need it. And then the last page is a same criteria and the items that are in green are the items that are met. And the ones that are in brown are those. All the items that were not. So. Which one's out? The last page. They didn't come out. Is this the one? No. I think you just have to go around carefully with that. I didn't see the last page. So that's the, that's all the criteria. Yeah. It doesn't come out. I didn't know friends in front of that show up. All right. I'm going to try that. We'll just go over for it. Hang on a little bit. So there are a list of, of seven or eight of the items here. There are a number of, um, four, eight. That have to be met. And criteria that have to be met is the time to take the road. And it's just, it's a little bit harder to deal with it because this isn't the existing road, this isn't the road all the time. These, this criteria is really written because it's in that part of our zoning ordinance. It's really written for like a new road. Um, but it's also taking that to criteria. So it's basically the criteria that when they go right into the ordinance, when they go right into the construction, that they, the, the, uh, the board and though that the writing act wanted to see these, these people required some met. So that's why I'm using these. We haven't got any standards for existing road. It's just, it's just nothing out there. So, um, this is the closest thing that I can find to what was in town. And I felt the townspeople and, uh, the board would like to see what they'd be writing. So, right away, uh, you know, those who are right away, those who do the actual specifications, the arrival, um, bringing into it things like that, how intersections are supposed to, um, come into it as a road, what we're saying that should look like and how big they should be, the greater the road, and then they get these smaller roads. So those are some of the criteria that we have to look at. First one is, uh, as we go to the first page, it has a white map on it, over that line. Uh, this is a very simple slide. It's being, uh, it's being marked by these maps, um, and it shows that there is a beat, by the way they're, it's a 50-photo, by the way, or 49-photo, by the way. Um, and currently, um, it exists on this road. This is a glass-full road. It has been a glass-full road for a long, long time. Uh, switching. So, um, the road does meet that first criteria, or 50-photo. Uh, the next slide, it is the entire itself. Uh, under the road construction specifications, you've got to hear there are multiple items underneath that. Um, the first one is, the entire road of it is to be clear of the barrier. And, uh, as you see from the picture there, the entire road of it, um, you know, trees, you know, stumps, things like that. So, that will be in that road that, uh, that will cause an issue to the bottom of the road or will trap you forward like that. Uh, so that, that criteria is what I meant. The next one, uh, you see is a little bit to be unknown of 24 feet wide. Uh, I don't know how to measure the coupleries that it's shown there. I hope the red line came out on the picture. Okay? Uh, so I went out and I measured the coupleries 16 feet in one spot, 18 feet in the widest spot. So, um, that is, so the road does not meet the 24 foot width. Um, it's simply 18, 16, 18, you know, average, uh, coupleries are attractive. Um, we're going to add a minimum of 18 inches of gravel. This is where you probably have another thing that I do. Uh, I have an envelope. Um, you can see on the long pictures that I measured the 6 inches of gravel on the top and in another area that you can kind of add 1000 to 3 inches. And you don't know how much actual railroad, you know, hard practice had gravel on that road. Um, I don't know where I had it. It was probably two or three weeks ago. You know, the bases, if you look a lot right now, I'm just basing it on the shoulder, uh, as to how much gravel was actually placed the last time I needed it out there. So, uh, I, it's calling for the code calls for the roadway and 5 to 6 inches of gravel for the roadway. So, uh, that corrects the area we're not. There's rocks up in the area. It's a head of the road. Right. Somebody else can say it, say it about that. Um, the next point is, uh, talking about the actual gravel that's being used. It says good name, uh, or approval. Um, I'm going to do that. Uh, so that criteria we're definitely not. Uh, next we do not have a picture that I didn't have in the picture of it. It basically says that in the, uh, in the top of the roadway there were 2 inches. Um, definitely wasn't that. We had an average of 6 inches of a, of a great rock that would all consistently be the same size. 3.4 8.4. Uh, 2% crown. This one was a little tough but I didn't see a 2% crown for the entire road that, uh, there were some sections that they kind of did. I don't know the P.L. but you put a crown into it or not. It was definitely compacted and placed correctly. It was placed really well. It was really good. I just don't know what actually happened around all the way through. Uh, yeah, it's on there. Okay. Okay. Uh, I'm going to have to look a little bit at the other two for the level and just kind of check the best I could to see if there was a 2% crown and there was throughout the whole thing. There was possibly there was. And again, the road can be entered here later too so you don't always have it there. If there are things you don't want to cheat, you don't want to decide that ever but, I have a 3% slow method approach. Um, it's really close. I think we're right at 3% probably a little bit more. I think it's not that it's safe. What they do for this is they would like to have a road as a meeting, have a road to the somewhat flat so that you're not just seating down nice and enjoying the intersection. Uh, the maximum's 3%. I think we're, I think we're especially with traffic on this long road. So it does meet that criteria. Um, the, the next one is the road bridge 90% 8%. Um, this one at the end is a little close. I said it does not, it does not exceed that so it needs the criteria. Uh, there's a couple spots where it's pretty steep in there but it's not, I don't think it's beyond what a road is and what the roads and mountains look like. Something that rates on our roads and mountains didn't exceed what we had in town. So I'm safe, um, assuming that it's 8% 3%. Uh, the last one is it is coming day one. Um, the code says that cul-de-sac should be constructed at the close end of the road. So anytime we have a road so the truck can get in there and turn around and just get in there and just not have that. Did this picture regret it? That hasn't made it so affordable? I'd say probably your last three years or so. Okay. So, I've drawn in um, sort of the area. I'll have to show everybody this is the road as it continues that way. So there is a spot that we could, you know, we could possibly put a, I hope here the house is up here. Our road, the road actually continues I think it's class 4 tread, continues this way. So there's possibly a spot that it could be put in right there. Um, so I hope you can see that. The road goes up to the house right here and then it continues this direction. The actual way does. And that would be kind of the potential turnaround area. Um, an additional item that was there. Uh, that's installed correctly and is in mid-shape and will take a little bit of range. There are culverts on the property. Uh, I believe they're about 18 inches. A lot of them are fun to do. There's one up the right. Can you see one up, one up the right? Okay. That's something they don't really do a lot of this. Well, we either have the owner of the upstairs uh, another large issue is uh, the state that went on has now a recognition that, steeper sections of ditches that would rock-line the ditches and have armor on those ditches that keep them very, very large storms. So there is one section that is sort of a lot of that, again, under the line here, there's a steep section of roadway and we would recommend that this road probably less than three. That's just on the steeper and coming down. Yup. Yup. In case you're talking about it, you don't know that you're talking about you know, the rock wall and then if you see down there, like that spot there, this way. Okay. Uh, and then the last thing was just a great summary that I didn't need to give, but basically what I talked about is that, so of the criteria, if you have a minimum ride away, the road doesn't need that. The learning of the roadway and from the mentioned edge it doesn't need that. The width, it does not need to. We were looking at, you know, average 16-18 feet wide or we were required 24 feet of roadway. The depth of the gravel, the code requires 15 inches. We were looking at six inches max. Again, I had to go down to see what it was really about to be, but I just want the service of the roadway. So, kind of the top will top certain. It needs to gravel their harness. No problems like this. The fantastic gravel that's in there, the stones are not too large, because it's the base that they're using. Ground service shall be compacted and a roadway. The intersection is okay at 3%. The maximum grade is okay at 8%. Again, the big way is it doesn't have a trauma on the teach, so it doesn't need the requirement for that. So, that was kind of a real quick degree, just kind of based on a lot of requirements we have on the code. You know, there are, I think, one driveway or two. There's one other one that's served, and then it's the other one he doesn't use. You know, I think every user doesn't need to have a storm. That's right. So we were looking at two kind of active driveways, if you will, that this road serves. Do we question, one question I have, you might not have this information, but between the monies that we would collect for class 3 road versus an estimated maintenance cost for that road would happen to have what that would look like. No, I can take the road to the turnaround. I don't have the action numbers, but maintenance costs you're talking probably, but I know that with Allen and we talked about if we had a turnaround and all that, it would take 15 minutes to plow, it would plow around, it would take a few three times like as long as long as it's kind of over 10. You know, you have plowing, you have sanding, you have grating and then just miscellaneous other things. Just like you said, we're not going to make enough money on to pay what it's going to cost. We don't do that. You know, it's a well little road, I think. I haven't dug down but I do look for reports of any kind, but it seems to be a well, well road. Finally, we're concerned about the turnaround and the way we go, the way we go, the way we go to reach is as if it was sort of a development, I guess. The developer or the owner would do all the build everything and the town would take it with them. That's the intent anyway. Is that the town typically won't take anything unless it meets all of our requirements. Right. So the rock lining, the turnaround, the crown, all that stuff would have to meet the time before the town would take it over. Right. Is anybody on the board? Have any further questions? Yes. That would be fascinating to be able to go with the board. You know, the issue is still you did a great job on Dark Hill but the just the other day I came down from the end of the bar driveway and somebody come along there about 50 miles an hour to stop at the end of that road. But he, you know, somebody's going to go over that then. When did you go? Well, we're looking at going around but it takes a special piece of equipment about 90 of them. But we can't do a lot of changes except in pushing the pilot down and then we just can't do it. So we've got a number of we do. It's slow down. It's slow down. It's slow down. Two weeks ago, it was a week of a month. They put out a column along the road with, you know, I have people stop because the equipment was moving out from down from the sugar house to where the weird word was. Some guy came down from the house in the most 67 miles in America. I mean, it's great because somebody is really going to be, you know, like I said originally, you know, when we moved up there, you know, I have to take the kids all around Fort Morris and everything else and never seeing them on that. We have a thought I'd watch as well about them down there and he's like, is there ample place for the snow to get pushed off in that narrow place or? Yeah, so the thing about the road is that one side of it pretty much just falls all the way. There's trees in the way but there when we plow we plow all the way to the one side. And if you have a turn around there's also a spot I think we talked about where we would take the snow and have me have a little area out there. I would say yeah, I mean Alan had said that he would be okay with it. He thinks he could plow if he could be done for sure. I think that again that being part of the foundation it may not be the data required we want to they want to you know she get everything over so the ability is kind of going in the wrong direction because they've got a snow wall on the other side of the snow and there's no more all over the bank on it. So definitely I think there would be a spot where the snow I'm sure you figure out. But down at the bottom and there's the other direction but there's a that large ditch that I showed you with a rock line you could probably take some of the snow over there too and get it out. I think again Alan said he would be able to plow and that's worth taking the snow I don't know if you could just get us some copies of the other Yeah I'll say that I'll say that Any further discussions of the board I mean I think just you know it's important for us to continue to stay with you know on upgrades like this is to make sure that we are being consistent in what we've done in the past and it's no different housing development that might be put in tomorrow making sure that roads are properly constructed to code or if we were taking over water or sewer line or something like that we would be asking for the same specifications so I mean my personal opinion is that the road would have to be to a class 3 status to get so it would be helpful to kind of know what the cost versus revenue tradeoff would be and I know that any pretty much any road we have in the town is a loser all the time but it would be nice to kind of know what that number would look like and also the number well how much the improvements would have to be done to the road before it could be classified change classification rather that's a significant amount of money for the truck well I mean it looks like it's you know the road width would have to be to meet code you have the cul-de-sac at the end and then some of the some of the road is 24 feet it's probably nice yeah it's probably nice great I think you're off to see what you're looking for you're looking for something that was developed long after yeah I don't think there's enough space to bring it to 24 I mean there might be but I think that would be the toughest part probably because as the board said yeah it's great we'll take it to do all of these things that would be the biggest obstacle I think and it's probably one of the criteria is why it's a class 4 road right you know again it all started 40's years ago and it was being taken care of and so to be as a town road when I spoke to Carol so after the time yes it was John Pro-Leano sold it to me that way it was done for a year and a half until the 73 storm and it went rapping further up the road I would say because they were working up from Camp Brook up and they were doing hard drive where they got it in and that's when Carol came and said oh you know grab a second and it's not and you know we weren't here with the fight a lot of things we were back of course a lot of things at one point in time we had plans to eventually to come up here with my wife and put that all together and that was where we were on and so we had plans things changed a mile I worked for a company that ended the third generation and they sold everything so kind of changed everything before so my daughter said you know when I came through we weren't up here that much and they said oh you know it's not a place through your road my attorney the daughter said well you screwed up you should have fought sold to you it was taken care of by the town you know they were up there a lot of time there were never any issues and all those things came about that caused us a lot huge boulders in that crack what other kind of work was that? well yeah the criteria we talked about was the service care that was the last few weeks I don't know I think I think you brought I think you brought I think you brought I think you brought I think you brought you brought you don't see it why the Sack Yeah we're going to use that area it sounds like we have you know there are some of these you know colder Sack or potential armoring of the edges of the road in those areas that probably could be taken care of rather easily without a huge cost to the land owner it seems like to make it a 24 foot road, and it's a 16 to 18 foot road. You know. So you're on town now, 24, 30 pressure, you're up. I don't know. I don't think so. Great. Definitely. I think the point you're trying to make is again, and this is kind of why I was trying to make too, is that we're working off of. New brakes. Yeah, but it's, yeah. But well, new. New brakes here. New. Well, it's new class three. So that's where it's a little bit tricky. One standard you hold it to, it's an old road. Yeah. But the town, the whole intent of this is the town's not going to take something that's going to be cost-effective and going to take a lot of maintenance. But also the inner side, it's an old road should it be all the same material. We do have roads in town. I can't tell you what the name of them are. But I've been on a couple. There's been a couple. And another probably going to be better. Better problem now. 24 foot of travel. Like, rally, rally. It's not 24 foot away. But the thing that, and I'm just playing devil's advocate because I mean, you know, this road has been in place for, you know, for decades. But who's to say that if we, if we granted this one that was put in 30, 40 years ago, but let's say a new homeowner goes and builds a house tomorrow and builds it, you know, sort of like yours. It doesn't meet all the specs. Then there, they would be entitled for that as well. You know, and you, and you, you know, you start that. Where does it end from there? And then you have to go back to the intent of this is to protect the town. Right. The fact that you're taking something that would be, that would not, not be the same. And it might cost money or a good amount of money. It's built to a higher standard. That's the whole thing. All of our roads are called town roads with different classifications. I mean, class 4 road is a town road. It is. But it's just a different classification. Right. Right. Exactly. So I'm saying that if he bought a house that was called a town road, it could have been a class 4 road at that time too. Yeah. I don't know what happened. Or maybe they didn't have classifications at that point. Yeah. I don't know. It might have even been there for that point. But I don't know what was the classification. I don't know. I don't know. I think you should have reserved the things that have someone on top of it. It was just a long time ago. I mean, there's roads along this place and not through the park. Yeah. I mean, there's a road by the park that has a lot of road. I don't know where we came from. It's built for those who don't know what it is. But I mean, there's roads below us. All the road roads are the highways supposedly that are, for things like the know what you're driving at. I know that class 4 road can be, they found that this road, the deer road, is not on the stateness, but the classical road that they did research for whatever they had done before. They did verify that that was a classical road, a valid classical road, that deer road went out. I don't know what they were actually, if you were told that it was a town highway, well, I mean, they're all town highways. I don't know what we bought it again, talking with John in one of the features where, yeah, I wasn't coming up the full way, I didn't have that much. When we got up here, I went to Redstone Bluff Challenge, what a couple of old ways. It's how it sold us, it's how it was a new thing, no remembering issues. And because of those circumstances, as I said, it really got away from us. It's a big fight. Well, I think we need to take a look at those numbers for potential maintenance costs and whatnot. Yeah. I'm not ready to make a decision. I'll just make a, you know, I'll just do it in our total one-mile for the last three roads or whatever, and then this one, I'll just proceed. Do we want to, do we want to put this back on for the next meeting to make a decision on and get whatever information that we need between now? And two weeks from now, that would be the, what was that, first, 11? Yeah. I don't know. The 10th. I gave it to the password first. It's the 10th. Yeah. The 10th? Yeah. Okay. So we'll put it back on for the 10th and make a decision then? That's unfair. Do you want revenue or any assistance? And maybe just forward the rest of your slides again. Yeah. How stringent is the state with the revenue side reimbursing us? Yeah. Now they even, they really need to do it. They do. For the last three sessions. That's a lot of money involved for sure. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to confirm it. They're not going to state it. No, but they, you know, you know, they just throw you a little bit of cash. Yeah. At that point they don't even care where you put it. All right. Any other, anything else on that topic tonight? Thank you for the presentation. Yeah. Sorry about that. All right. The evaluations are coming up. We need to get these. I've never run a game before. Hey, we'll move on to the Lilly added item number three, which is the Louisville Brits contract. Yeah. So this is, we, Brits number, I think it's 33. Yeah. The, it's Louisville. Yep. We need to have a review of the wall that is falling into their business. It's all your work. So we've not been on that. We've got to be, they're all river bridges. They want to hit it. And this is just the contract. We did come in below our anticipated budget. So let's say we're laying on it. Hopefully it's, it's actually the majority of it. The majority of this time, some of this comes through Structure's Grant, Structure's Grant. The majority of it on our map is 10% and it's going to be less than 10%. Have you given me the authority to sign this document? Was there? We'll be out there and we're not watching. Did there end up being a time of closure period or anything like that? There is. Yeah. So they get so many days to do the work? Yes. It's all over the contract. They've given, I think, it was four weeks to get the tour. They've been closed the whole road now for four weeks. And I'm doing a pretty economy within a city. We're going to know what that date is. It starts with everybody that does want that area to know that they're going to have to take a rapid delay. They're going to close the road now for no more than four weeks. That's what's going to happen. And how will the public know about the road closure? We're going to mail out everybody that's in that general area who knows them directly. They'll be on Facebook. They'll be on the website. We put it in the newspaper. And when's the anticipated start date? I don't know. Pretty quickly. We've got only three for some amount of time. I guess it will start probably within the next two to three weeks. We'll be in a conflict with the contract. Two to three weeks? Yeah, two to three weeks. Although more everybody is going to be there this evening. So we'll get some notice out to the people. Two weeks ahead of time. Plus the road will be posted. The road will be posted. Yes. Everybody will have. And they're going to allow local traffic into. It's really going to shut down in a smaller area. But they're going to allow local traffic to have to get to the houses. They don't have to cross the construction site. Right. We don't have to. It's not easy. We can't go right in. Where's this bridge? So at least they'll. Hydrage. Hydrage. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, they did an investigation a few years ago. One of the rules is it's gone. It's just all the way through the whole structure. It's really a game. If you're playing parallel use, work energy, vision, and culture. I just think that. So move. Yep. Second? Is this someone's second? I'll second. Alright. All in favor. Alright. Alright. Alright. Thank you. I see you left out a spot for yourself. Come on, chair. Great. We had a conversation. All right, so just to follow up on one thing, tax stabilization information, maybe at the next meeting or something. I have some really good information about the one they did at Hyde Park. The four-page policy that they did, this is pretty clear. And we have select board meeting minutes from the 23rd and the 13th to get approved. Sounds like Lisa, your streak's over, maybe? Could be. I move we accept the spot board minutes of July 23rd and August 13th as written. Second. Second. All in favor? All right. All right. All slash Wimbledon ties. Hey, everybody have a chance to look at the constable report? It looks like there's a whole lot of action going on. There's a question I had about that. The training. Two days of training. Something like sharing bars in a tree town. Cost of, yeah. Yeah. He actually had to go and stay in a hotel. Yeah. So we paid for the class and they paid for the hotel. And our personal thing about that is the other three hours. How about his hours, though? So you get paid for going to training? So that should get split by the time? Yeah. It looks like he's recorded on the special street. Nine and a half and 12 hours for the two days. Yeah. I'll look at it. I'll see how he should at least be split. Sure. Other than that, everything seemed to be pretty quiet. He was out of town. I will say that I stopped at Occadoodle's. Why even yesterday? About 4.30 in the afternoon. I can tell you that the traffic was buzzing down the street for a pretty good clip. It wasn't just one individual. It seemed like it was moving right along. Granted, it always seems around, what, 4.30, 5 o'clock? The parking stalls open up and it's easier to navigate, but it seemed like the traffic was really whipping through there. At the same time, I didn't notice that the radar sign was working here at that time. Is it far from Occadoodle? Not. But it just seemed like they were moving around in a pretty good clip that didn't seem to notice that before. We came through at 2 o'clock today and most of the traffic is straddling the yellow line. Yeah. We gave you the statistics back, but not the data from the traffic matter things. Yeah. And it was kind of interesting that the average speed was 24 miles an hour. Oh, really? Yeah. So we're going to do us at one? So we'll see what all we want to do is spring. I want to have a tour of that right here and do it before we place the bull bells back out there and see what we get. Yeah. I mean, they definitely are coming at a pretty good clip because the crosswalk right in front of the bank there, in some ways it's a little blind at times because you're coming around. The downtown has got the slight curvature and you get all the cars on the street. And some of those cars are coming pretty fast and they don't see the pedestrians until the pedestrians are out in the road. That's a little bull bell. I've seen a few of them once they slam on the brakes but put some hard brakes on. But they shouldn't have been doing, they're probably doing 25-30 anyways. I had a meeting with the VRI people and ARP and they were going through the ARP to give us an additional, some tape that we're going to put out from reflective tape to put around a little bell so we're going to make it more visible. And then earlier in putting it in their lives it was sort of scotches that are, they're flexible what they say, state law, yield to pedestrians and crosswalks for us to read. They're going to license those doors also. Are those the ones that go in the middle of the road? No. But they can at least have any car on the road. Oh, because I was going to say if you put them in the middle of the road with traffic cross and those things aren't going to beat you. Well, even the bobs are from the middle of the road. You can't even tell what they're there. Without the planter on it. So you're the one that took out the planters? I didn't know. These will be mounted onto that and they're flexible so that they're more visible. That's the problem. The planters are going to knock off or something like that. So these are for us to read innovation. They're flexible so if they get hit, they'll pop back up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, hang on. Do people crosswalk for us? No. Yeah, too commercial. Put up a scarecrow then people will think somebody's there. How about one of those three additional holes? Yeah. Well, they do that. Now I've seen in some states they do that three-dimensional crosswalk because it's supposed to... it makes it three dimensions so that you slow down faster or something. But we've seen those. I noticed that it seems like the track is going faster lately. Well, there's a lot more folks in the town to just, you know, for example, at the bar. We tried to light down there at the bar on this last Friday. That was the best light they've ever had. There's all the law schools going back in town. I mean, there's a lot of traffic. Which is good. I mean, good for business, but, you know, it's all good. A little... Yeah, you know, it's all good. Pedestrian. Pedestrian. We actually, you know, had an album. We had somebody... Danny... Did he write and take us up that direction? I didn't see anything. Most people are driving 40 up on Christian Hill, and that's 25. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Other communications, solid waste board information from their August meeting was on here. Most of it, I didn't get one. Yeah. So that's probably why I didn't get one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen one yet. No, that's August 8th. Wasn't it? Yeah, August 8th. But, yeah, the top says August 8th, and then it says... Oh, but then the meeting says... ...11th. No, it says... Oh, no, it doesn't. It's okay. Anything else? Come out of there, Mo, or... Did you folks get a chance to talk about the logistics of the Green Lantern Project at all? Or is that... No, Sandy wanted us to vote on it again. No, I mean, who's going to be coordinating the whole... I mean, it's a done deal. It's a done deal. No, that was after our last meeting that we talked about that. So our next meeting will be... What would you guys... What would the group be voting on? We voted it down. Sandy wanted to vote on it again. To support it. To support it? Yeah. I can see it doesn't matter. Yeah, once it's done, it's going to fail as well. But it's nothing to... We're just... If the facility itself doesn't agree to maybe help coordinate some of those events, then it'll be up to the two towns to figure out someone to be a point of contact out there. Right? Right now it'd be chat. So it sounds like right now that the Joint Board really doesn't want to be a part of the project in some ways. No. No? Okay. It's immaterial whether we are for it against it because we're just... Well, in some ways it is. We're just a tenant. Yeah, but you're in charge of chat. We're in charge of chat. And chat can coordinate the traffic going out and out of there during their construction because it can't interfere with our daily flow of traffic in there. Yeah, that's what I was... Yeah, I know. It's like off-time, too. You've got the times where it'll have to be accessible for them when you're closed. Right, the gate will just be open for them. And sometimes it's probably nice to have somebody in there to see what's going on, make sure... Well, I'm just playing the devil's eye if something happens, if there's some kind of an incident who is the contact person there. We have to... The tenants have to point somebody to be a general manager, a facilitator of the project or something like that to be able to... The checks had night in there, so it'll be up to him, I guess. Watch what I'm saying. Did you guys talk to him a little about... No. Yeah. That was supposed to come up with what it was going to cost for insurances and stuff like that. What our cost was going to be so we could see what we've got to do. Okay. Yep. Do you guys have a timetable of when you think you'll have that information? No. Because I'm assuming at that time it's going to come to the boards, right? Yeah, at that time it's got to be between both boards. So maybe late fall? Probably before that. I would hope. Well, you guys only meet once a month, right? Once a month. Yeah, be September, yeah. It's coming. Any other business? Anybody else? Bring it up this time. David? Fall? Nope. One moment. All right. Moving on to the next session over personal issues. Okay. Second? Second. All in favor? All right. Bye.