 Say, I'll have a couple of touches. Sure, I'll try to answer from the best of my ability. Who is your name? I'm Shannon. Shannon? Shannon, nice to meet you. Hello to meet you. Okay. Can I talk to people I've worked with in Georgia, bring to Turkey or something? I've been Beautiful for Regards here. I'm not going to say any coincidences in Arenae too, but we might say something really cool. I'm not going to say anything that they hadn't saying. I'll have a couple of touches. Sure, I'll try to answer from the best of my ability. Who is your name? I'm Shannon. Shannon? Shannon, Nice to meet you. Good to meet you. And I tell people I've worked with George, I live in Kentucky, so I'm going to be in the red next to a hillbilly. What's up? You're an atheist, right? What do you mean by atheist? I can tell you if I meet that definition. Okay. Your definition of atheist is there as they go. That is not my definition. So what is your definition? I don't have enough evidence to believe in a God yet. So wouldn't that be more agnostic? So my idea, agnostic, is a statement about knowledge. And I don't know if a God exists. But I also don't believe in a God because I don't know if that God is real or not. I'm looking for better evidence to be with my God. My position isn't that there's no God. Just not sure if there's a God. My position is I'd like better evidence or a better method to get to that conclusion. And I'm totally fine if there is a God and I just don't have that way to get to them. That seems like it's a problem between me and my God. So you say you lean that there is no God. I'm sorry? You lean that there is no God. No, I'm not saying that at all. I literally have no idea if there's a God. Okay. So it's literally a point flip. One side says there's a God, the other side says there is no God. It's like this on my head. And it can only be one option. My best answer is I don't know. Okay. Because that kind of negates my next question because my next question was what evidence have you had that leads you to believe there is no God? Yeah. That's exactly why I'm saying that someone, if you came to me and said I'm an atheist, I'm 100% confident that there's no God, I would have just as many questions for you as I would for literally every other person. My next question, I'm going to ask you one of your own questions. You've been asking people under curiosity how you would answer it. I'll try. What you're asking people, what reliable test do you have to prove that there is a God? Okay. What reliable test would it take to prove to you that there is a God? Okay. If it's a God that wanted to have him contact with me, that was like all powerful, all knowing, all loving, all good, that God knows exactly what it takes to convince me. And the best thing that I can do is just be open to that evidence. And I think one of the best ways to do it is to be willing to have a conversation with people who do believe, not try to shut them down, not try to come out with my own authority on top of that. Correct. Not try to have apologetics for everything they say, but willing to be open and work together with them on a model to get into where they see it and see if you can relate with it. And I guess, and I'm with James, you know, as far as there is not one thing, you know, we can look at a lot of things individually. Like I believe with James, creation proves there's a creator. You look at the symbiotic relationships within creation and the precise mathematics of, you know, cosmos. We can perfectly, we can perfectly, you know, predict, you know, where the planets and stuff are going to be. When you look at all those things together, along with the archeological evidence, the historical evidence, prophetic evidence of the Bible, when you put all those things together, that means we can believe that it is the God of the Bible. I can see how you see it. That makes sense. I've seen you out here, you know, what's your one evidence? What's your one evidence? My only question would be, I agree that creation necessarily requires a creator. My question is, how do you recognize something as a creation rather than something that just is, or something that's not a creation? You know, the analogy you use is, you know, basically, I think all life forms are creation. Are you saying, like, all pieces of dirt, the sky, all life forms are creations? Well, I like, like, the animals, people, their creation, but then planets, God created all that also, so it is all creations. It's all creations. Yeah, it is all creations. Every space tracking, every God, God is responsible for it all. So my question would be, like, how do you recognize a creation? Like, what's the method that you're using to recognize something as a creation? I guess my answer for this answer is that just the fact that it is here, the design behind it. That would be proof that it exists, which is kind of the pressure I had with James. What I'm looking for is proof of its creation. It is kind of, you know, it's kind of the argument of proof to me that a painting had a painting. Right, right, right. Because the term painter or painting, painting, necessarily implies that it was painted, which would require a painter. Correct. Totally fine. But when I look at, say, like, I don't know, at the rock, when you say this rock is a creation, what are we doing in our heads to determine that that is a creation? I don't have an answer. I don't let you ask. I just don't have a suitable answer. Can I give you what I think? Sure, please do. Please correct one of us if I'm, like, wrong. There's James. Yeah, because I like to get feedback on this, and let me know how appealing it is here. We tend to recognize creations by comparing the things that are not designed by things that are not designed. If I went to a distant planet, it's not hypothetical. No, it's a real one. But if I went to a distant planet, and we went there, and there was this weird rock formation, it looked like a perfect cylinder straight up. I wouldn't know, based on its surroundings, if that was a creation by an alien species or not, because I don't have a formal reference of what looks like it's been designed on that planet back. But in America, I can look at this temple and say, well, I know what temples are. I know the store I can buy those from. I know this period of things. I can look at a tree that's artificially, you know, bushes or, like, in the shape of a dog, and do, like, that's clearly not something that I would see in nature. Comparing this to something that I know is designed to something that I know is not designed. Like, I have a frame of reference there. And because I have that criteria, I'm able to recognize when I'm wrong, I'm able to verify when I'm right. I can test it. I can have other people verify and get to the same conclusions as me. It seems like it's a reliable way to determine what stuff is created. If we live in a model where literally everything is created, what are we comparing against that to determine that that's actual creation? And if not, with everything that's created, we don't have that thing that's not created to compare it to. And if that's the case, how are we justified at saying that everything's a creation if we can't recognize that something's been created? I don't have, I know what you're asking. I just don't have an answer. Could you please think about that? Except, you know, that other... Do you have one of my cards? Yes, I got one of your cards. If you, if you literally could put some thought into that, I'd be happy to. Feel free to jump in if you have an answer. I had enough of Frank. He's got enough of me. I know what you're asking. I just don't have the words to put it into an answer. If you want to take some time with that and get back to me, I would be happy to get back to you. Other than, you know, I don't think I can argue that this is not a creation. Yeah, I would need an example. If you showed me an example of something that was not a creation, then I'd be like, okay, now at least now you have a friend of reference. So that's what I'm saying is, we don't have anything that is not a creation. And because of that, how do you confirm that something is a creation? How do you confirm that it isn't? So, like, it's not so much proving a negative because I can't prove something not true. Like, I can't prove the negative of something. What I'm looking for is reasons to believe that it is true. And if you're saying something is a creation, I'm waiting for evidence to demonstrate that. You're not right by default until you can demonstrate it to be the case. But if you have a friend, you've got to sit down at the table if you want to have a friend. Shannon, do you have one of my cards? Yes, I do. I would love to get back with you if you want to take some time and think about that. I know what you're asking. I just can't, Frank, I'll give you a better answer. Frank, where to? Frank, listen, listen. You're an excited guy, and I don't want to talk to you, but I'm not going to talk to you if you don't have your sunglasses on. Uh-oh. Just straight up. I'm tired of you, like, moving your head. I know. Listen. This is the brilliant scene of my idea right here. It's just the best thing ever. And I'm just like, I don't know, what's going on? I do have something I want to give you. Ooh. Very interesting. Thank you so much. I've been a general planner of the books. I want to hope you don't leave the second grandest flyover toad. That's my business card. Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate this. Thank you. Thank you. This is one quick thing, okay? If I have a blank canvas here in front of you, a blank canvas, okay, there's no painting on it. There's no painting on it. Then I have another one right beside it. Yes. It has a picture of paint on it. Yes. So now you see that this painting,