 Boys and once again our guest David Reese all the way in Italy. Yeah. Italy. How are you today? Good. Good. And you? Yeah. Not too bad. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Ah, good. Yeah. Yeah. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Cosy cosy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Come on, guys, you know, The New Yorkers have been really. Yeah. Hey baptized by fire. The new album with David Reese. I mean this is an angry album. Yeah. We're working with the Herb and Frank over there. Iron allies out of the pretty aggressive album, having any influence on this one? Maybe I'm not sure. It's hard to say. I just kind of the direction, you know, the path I was following, you know. And this stuff got a little more groove involved and more modern soundings. Hello, album. And that's a large and far through the guys that I work with. They're a lot younger than I am. And, you know, I just can't say enough about how great they are musically. You know, I was going to say, you're kind of like, you remind me of blaze, you know, you just never give up and you keep going like a locomotive. No one is going to get in your way. No one is going to stop you. You will keep on creating music because that's who you are. Yep. I make records as this, but I've kind of in the minds of as if it's my last work. You know, I was thinking about that before we set up this call, you know, what if this is my last record? Am I satisfied? Yeah, you know, I mean, you know what I mean? I was kind of watching my wife's watching a series and I was waiting to log on. And I was thinking about a lot of people say, Dave, you do something every year and sometimes I do two or three things a year. And what if this is the last record? I always sometimes I think that when I'm finishing an album I'll go, one of this is it. You know, the voice decides one day it's not going to be like it was because I told Jimmy a few days ago, when I can't do what I do live, I'm not going to do it. You know, I'm just not going to fake it, you know. So let's talk about the Italian music scene. Where'd you find these guys? And what's what's the Italian music scene like over there? Believe it or not, it's heavy metal is not as popular as thrash. Thrash and speed are like, there's a festival here called Lupalo they do every year. Let's say Friday night they'll do your and me will do, let's say 500 to 1000 people. Saturday they'll do a sax and they'll be 2000 people. Sunday Exciter Testament is that kind of thing. Well, just to the to the girls and I mean it's hot here in July, humid and they're wearing all black, you know, leather. I mean they're standing that sunshine with that concrete for all day and just go insane. So it's more of a thrash community. It's a more a subito subito. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's how did I meet these guys? I mean, COVID. I mean, it, you know, I was working with percadamia in Sidonio. And like literally the day it exploded here is 30 minutes from my house. We talked about that. He called me and said, don't come here. It's like a ghost town. I think it's a terrorist attack. And I'm like, what are you talking about? He goes, the city shut down. So that forced me into going, okay, now what am I going to do? And I'd heard about Ricardo de Marosi. And he lives literally his studio is 15 minutes from my house. So getting to know him with demo work. Pardon me. You know, we kind of grew to like each other and figured each other out and it all just kind of grew from there. Then he brought in the brothers, Nelo and Nicolo Sabinelli, because they're there doing teachings and stuff like that and recording all the time. So it all just kind of fell into my lap. And my test was that Hamburg show last year when I was asked to do that Bangalore choir special one off on target show. I said, I'm going to use this band to see how they can handle it because it was a sold out show. And it was a big deal. And I was the headliner Friday night. And they killed it, man. We made a lot. We cut those tracks live and put it on that record we did last summer with Giles. And that's another thing about them. They push me. I mean, go to rehearsal. They're already there running through it a couple of times. I'll do a 90 minutes thing. And then I'll say, okay, let's go get a piece or something. And now we're going to say in rehearsal set a few more times. I'm not happy with this part in this part. I never see that anymore. It's refreshing. Wow. You know, we're the old guys. We want to go see Esther, right? These guys. Yeah. I feel guilty. You know, I mean, like, you know, it's not safe for me to sing for five days in around 90 minutes and scream through all the parts. But they'll literally point out to me, you know, like generation class, right? They actually were able to lift Wolf voice off the intro generation. And then we start the song. I mean, they're really good at that. Well, you know, because they're younger than me, they've got more tech savvy than I am. But if I sing something like not quite cool enough, especially the drummer, he'll point it out and he goes, hey, man, you're doing that wrong. I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey, I wrote this song and they're like, no, no. And then they'll throw the song up and we'll listen to it and they'll go, see that part right there. You're not doing that right. I'm like, wow. Okay. So it's, you know, it's enjoyable. I mean, it's actual work again. Rather than sitting in a hotel room after not seeing somebody for six months and, you know, a guy playing on a pad and or a box. And then you've got the laptop and everybody's strumming along with their guitar against the chair. So you get some of the, you know, the reverberation you can hear the electric guitar playing. You know what I mean? I mean, I've done a million shows like that. I didn't play it well, but I'd rather rehearse, you know, Dave. I'm going to ask a question. I'm going to ask you the same question. Alan, this album, as brutal as this album is, came out instead of Eat the Heat, which I do like too. Don't get me wrong. If this album came out instead of Eat the Heat, what would have happened? What would you accept trajectory have changed? It would accept. Yeah. I mean, Alan, that's a question to you. How would I agree? I mean, that's an interesting question. I mean, this is a solid, solid, solid album. I mean, it's got, like you said, it's, it's heavy, but at the same time, it's got groove to it. Vocals are fantastic. I mean, the playing on it's unbelievable. That I wouldn't have been interesting if that, like you said that. Do you think, do you think, and Alan, I'm going to ask you the same question, Dave. I want you to think about this. Alan, do you think the fans at the time, except fans would have said, Oh my God, instead of, oh man, this is too, it's not heavy enough, you know? Yeah, no, I think it would have been better received than Eat the Heat properly. Okay, Dave, now you, let's say this album was released instead of Eat the Heat. I would have been a completely different target. I would add a far better chance of winning over the, especially in Germany and some European territories. I mean, you're not going to, you're not going to sway them. I mean, they were born listening to Udo, an impossible measure, but a better chance than Eat the Heat because it was slick. I think we've had, you've done your show a few times, if you listen to Metal Heart and Russian Roulette and the direction the band was kind of going in, they needed a voice like Martin or someone else to kind of cross the pond and break the band. Because I mean, from what I was told, they were never really exceeding 400,000 units. That was the max they would hit. And in those days, if you're not doing a million copies, you're bye-bye land. That's what I heard, Dave. It was, you know, you didn't even get a platinum party in 88, you had to do 2 million to have a real party. You know, it used to be a gold record with a big deal, but no, I mean, it would have had a better chance. And I think we, we've spoken about this before. Releasing generation class is the first single. Terrible mistake. I thought that from the minute I heard it, I said ecstasy or detrain, open the door to the, you know, the accept fans going, yeah, there's still a heavy band. And then kind of listen to the rest, you know, change your running order. Don't come out so, so different and scare the crap out of her. What happened to my band? That's what they did. But you put the suit and tie on, they could care less. I mean, it's a tax fight off. They don't care about the human nature side of it. I mean, I'll give you an analogy. Okay. You had Iron Maiden with Paul Diano on those first two albums, which were like, would call it brutal at the time. And then Bruce comes in, he doesn't do a generation X kind of thing, right? Or generation clash. He does, you know, what Paul was doing, but sort of he elevated it, right? In a sense, bigger, right? I think that's what would have happened if you, this album came out instead of. There was, you know, I mean, let's, let's say there was utter terror. What are we doing? I mean, walking around in that, that organization. My feet were never on the ground. I was never fully accepted. In that group, they were terrified. What have we done? And they had written Animal House and a lot of great songs and just for the next accept record, which I would have far preferred to a saying, you know, I heard those demos. Oh my God, you gave that to Udo, why? Well, you know, we wanted to make sure he was cool and everything. I mean, he's playing it live every night now, but he had far better songs and he was still in that box that he was with except, you know, so they said, here's the so-called accept album we would have done with Udo. That's right. What Peter was doing with Stefan Kaufman to create the heat. And none of them knew what they were doing. And they were just, they were terrified. And I think that's why they are still hushed up. They don't, because nobody really knew. I mean, it's just really the right thing to do. Everybody just kind of was being pulled around by the no is, you know, I was a dumb kid, 27, 28 years old. I didn't know what I was going to be the big rock star on the planet. You know, but there's some great stuff on there. I'm talking to you guys. We can talk about this album every time we talk. Jim relation. Well, I mean, I did the UDO steel factory tour. They re-released eight to eight 3000 limited vinyl in orange. Every show I did, people come up to me and said, I'm sorry, I prejudge you for I forgive me for that. This is a great record. So they can say that the 1988 and now they finally think it's great. It's kind of come full circle where people, you know what, it ain't that bad. It's pretty good. And I'm like standing there going, what? I mean, and they've even had original copies. You know, I've never played this, but I've been playing it since I heard you doing the UDO tour. You know, it's a damn fine record. And they all say, but why did you start out with generation class? You should have done it between come out and shown everybody was still a metal band. You know, we got scared. And I said, I understand. We all prejudge, right? We all prejudge. Well, then we had these other options too. I mean, you got to see what the competition is doing. That's a good point too. Back in that time. Play to the grind was out. But, you know, the faith memoirs and Soundgarden were kind of creeping in. And, you know, they hadn't exploded yet, but they were getting the airplay and they were getting some MTV time. You know, it was a slight shift and then it really hit like 92. But this is like a nineties album that you just came up. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm trying to tell you that this was actually an album of that time that would have rolled away. And it's so brutal. And it's so brutal that people would have not that they wouldn't have not loved UDO and his word. They would have said, you know what, I'm giving this a good chance instead of prejudging it because it's so glossy. I think they were so scared that, you know, this change is going to be so drastic that he proved that they were right. And their assumption, like you said, if we release this record, because these guys that I play with grew up with the bands that you're saying is fresh. I don't want to say, you know, this lock box that ran right now with, you know, everybody sounds the same. But they grew up on Soundgarden. They listened to Nirvana. They listened to Zeppelin. They listened to Sabbath. I mean, everything, I get into the car with the producer Ricardo and he'll play me stuff on his USB. Who's that? And he goes, oh, that's a band from Slovakia. That's freaking great. He goes, yeah, they never get out of Slovakia. But I mean, they're insane names for these bands. But they know all these underground metal bands. They're really into that. So they brought that vibe to the record. Let's talk about this album cover too. Who did this? This is a fantastic album cover. Thank you. Richie Newton from Metalhead Forever wanted to do a shot at artwork. I had a cold and I'm fighting it off because I'm leaving in a few days to do some American days. And I said, I know the chief is kind of like my brand, you know, the chief skull guy. I said, if we do it, we've got to improve it like they do with Eddie. And him and some artists in Southeast Asia got together and created this maniac, man of wars kind of metal, you know, Schwarzenegger guy with the chief head. I'm gonna throw with it. It's Newton artworks. I mean, I mean, if I said this, the album's got to be brutal. The t-shirt looks fabulous. Everybody loves your work. That's off to Newton artworks. I got to give them a plug. Yeah, I love it. I think it's great. And it sort of captures the tone of the album. Like it's, there ain't no slow stuff here. There are no ballads. I mean, there might be slow parts. The closer to God might be, but it's pretty dark. It's pretty dark. It's pretty dark. Yeah. You know, congratulations on that. Thank you. Again, like I'll say it like Blaze, you know, he never gives up and you never give up, ever, ever give up. And you've been like... It's weird. It's music. And it's like, I talked to another guy the other day about, yeah, I said the same thing. I never quit. He mentioned Blaze. He mentioned Ripper. What the hell are we going to do? I mean, just because we suffered some defeat. We were thrown into the, you know, like what did Ronnie say with Rainbow or Sabbath? You stick your head in the mouth of the line. If he bikes down there, it goes to your head. Yeah. I mean, we were thrown to the arena, the Roman arena with lions and tigers and bears. I mean, what are we going to do? Say, oh, I can't do that gig. It doesn't mean everybody's going to dig us. But we've all kind of risen above. And I've got nothing but respect for both of those men. I mean, Blaze is playing every night. Him. I mean, come on. Look where he's back. I mean, that's what we do, man. It's like you guys. I mean, it's your passion for what you're doing right now. You love to talk about music. You love to analyze it. You get the voice, your opinion, a metal voice. I mean, it's what we do. It's our 13th anniversary. Happy birthday. And you know, it's funny. You know, it's, here's interesting. It's Tony Iommi's birthday today. The beginning of metal, right? Yep. The metal voice's birthday. Alan, you did not bake the cake like we asked. No. No time for a page. No. Yeah. And it's Todd Latore's birthday too. So look at that. Look at that. And what was, what was the number of the last black seven thousand with Audrey? 13, yeah. 13. Yeah. This is 13. This is 13. 13. Yep. It's always 13. It's always 13. That's the lucky number. Thanks. Thanks. All right. So what's, what's happened with the North American tour you mentioned? You got, you got dates. How's this going to play out for storing this new album or when we kick off, we're leaving in a couple of days and this, we had some difficulties like everybody. You know, all these promise shows and then big holes started popping up, you know, and we got some confirmed dates in March. Then I returned to Scandinavia. I do a four day run and actually the festival of the four days is with Blaze and I've been, and I've been talking to Appleton quite a bit and we might even, we're trying to, we're thinking about doing a Blaze and a Reese kind of ex iron maiden ex accept tour guy. Yeah. We've mentioned that together and Appleton said, you know, I kind of like that. I go talk to Blaze, but we're doing a gig. We're doing some stuff in Scandinavia and then I've got grasshop, check metal fast, Portugal headline, bits in Germany with iron allies. And just those four gigs alone, that's over 200,000 people. Oh wow. Yeah. So I mean, I mean combined, but I mean, there's some, there's some big dates. So Dave's getting a lot of exposure in the next few months, a lot better than it's been guys in the last couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm currently working with agencies in the United States for a return in July. And I confirmed Phoenix and Tucson yesterday and then with my plan this time and they started there, moved my way north this time. Okay. So I will go home out of Texas. You know, all that stuff's kind of floating around right now. I've been on the phone all day as usual. So what's a set list look for that tour? What do we use a little bit of, a lot of your bands or? Yeah. Well, I focused a lot on heat to heat. I do ecstasy. I do generation class. Sometimes I do hell hammer. And then I'll, I'll throw in the heavy down tune song from on target like just one night and Angel in black. And we're focusing on this record. Our enemy is me. The first single which charted by the way, debuted at number 16. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, this is the one that I mean it iron allies didn't sharp and we were both shot permanent. We didn't even make the charge this charted last week. Number 16. Yeah. I mean, this is the second track on the album. Yeah. And then at the end of it, I've invited certain artists to perform the course with me and fans around the world. We do kind of a pause and then the chorus kicks in again. And then the album. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And again, and then the album covered behind it, but I got Jaloussic. I've got a lot of people that have stood behind me for ever I tried to get Giles to put alcatraz girl school and Raven all together in the dressing room last night. There's always editing and you should get to it and I never heard from him but today was my deadline. So they didn't make it, but Giles is in there somewhere, but it's cool because I mean when your friends go, yeah, that's me in the video, guys in the desert, you know, famous singers that I admire, you know, guys that are making noise. So that's the next video. And then on the blaze show, we're going to be pretty well oiled up because that blaze show is called, uh, metal fests of Husqvarna, Sweden. It's sold out. So we're going to film that for tomorrow. Don't matter today. The last track on the record. Yeah. Because though that song, I picked the first and the end and I got pretty lucky because it seems that everybody kind of struck a nerve with enemy and tomorrow don't matter today. It worked. So to me, enemy is me is an amazing song. We've lost a fight. That's a perfect. I think the intro riff is very 90s reminiscent of maybe Marilyn Manson, but just at the beginning. And that's exactly what I said. And he goes, that's John five, Dave. And I go, John five, I love them, but I don't know much about them. And he threw up a video in the studio and go, like this riff, but I have to be honest, that riff was created by Andy Souca meal because he's a fanatic for Marilyn Manson. But we took it to the new modern song because we've got a younger guitar player, Niccolo Sabinelli, who God guys listen when I looked at him during the record, I said, Niccolo, this last extreme album kicked me in the nuts. Okay. It did. Nuno Betancourt literally was on lift off mode as a guitar player. It was fun to finally see another guy get out there, not overplay the song, but do stuff that just was like, what are you playing? It was great. So I said, go nuts. And he looked at me, goes, I can play guitar and I can go nuts. Like, well, yeah, and if I want to cut some stuff out, I will. But I gave the kid a chance to shine. And he really did. And my drummer man, he's in Iron Allies, actually, because Francesco had to take a leave of absence. And they said, who can we get to do these shows? And I said, Nilo Sabinelli. And they're like, I go, he played on martyrs burn and selling out on that album. He just playing around the studio with me. I said, you heard him demo and they go, and that's that guy. I go, yeah. So he's done a bunch of gig for this. So he's kind of the new drummer in Iron Allies. And then you have tomorrow. Tomorrow don't matter today. And you know, it's interesting because the stronger tracks seem to sort of come at the end. Usually they put the stronger tracks at the beginning. I don't know. That's my sort of observation. Acceptance of denial tomorrow don't matter today. Brutal. And this bass, this bass sound you have, this high treble 80, a 90s industrial bass. Yeah, distorted. That's Ricardo. He produced the record, played bass on the record, played some rhythm guitars. Some of the tunings are really bizarre. They're really on on that. Like the Jimmy Page stuff that not many people know that Jimmy Page was doing these really weird Arabic tunings that not many people are aware of. And just turn the distortion. I'm going to go and you get that. You know, some of guys like John five, they understand it completely. You know, they know that that's where you get that aggressive. But I needed that. I needed to kick in the ass. I mean, I mean, how many white snake kind of vocal style records have I done? I mean, I'm tired of it. Yeah. And thank God I can still sing it. But I mean, it's it's this album is, I don't know. I don't want to overhunt myself guys. I'm pretty damn proud of it though. No, I wouldn't be too. I mean, we didn't even talk about wrong move. That's another highlight of the album. So first time we wrote together, Ricardo and I, and it was really strange because he started out with that distorted guitar that Jimmy was mentioning. And then I said, why don't you have Nicolo do it with the old, you know, neck pickup on the strap and then kick in. And then comes your sound garden bad motor finger era kind of let's play with that guitar thing, the Kim fail thing. And then we'll get eighties on it and then we'll do Dave's melodic what you expect from Dave, you know, chorus. And somehow we kind of made it all the part of stew work. And the last song tomorrow don't matter today. I knew I needed another song. And I looked at Nicolo the guitarist and I said, dude, what do you got? And he starts playing me this thing. And I went, what is that? So we programmed the drum machine. And Ricardo took it home and nurtured it and built this little baby and then brought it back to the studio. I wrote the lyrics that day saying it. And then then we put real drums on it and really made it a song. That's nothing. These are real drums. This is a band recording rhythm tracks together. It's not us in five different rooms in different countries recording a record. That's another really cool thing about living 15 minutes from these guys. Yeah. I should mention Dave, it's going to be really, I didn't say this before I go baptized by fire. It's going to be on El Puerto Rico records. El Puerto records. Mark first, it's going to be released and that we should have hats off to those guys. You know, I mean, I've got other labels that I'm working with that I can tell you El Puerto records has really jumped in the fire. They're baptizing me and they do great media work. They're always on the ball. I'm not chasing them around with emails. I mean, I speak to Matt Bishop every day and I need that. I need that reassurance. Is this done? Did you follow up? He's like, calm down. It's done. Then he'll send me and I need that because, you know, we got a limited time scope here, right? With the attention span of a great album. You got your pre-order time and you got about a month after it comes out and nobody's talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, really right now, the thing that shows, you know, it's interesting you were talking on the phone yesterday and you told me that you got the when you replaced Dudo. I'm just going back in time because I find this pretty cool. Maybe Alan knows this or he doesn't. You had the nod or the sign off by Bruce Dickinson as the replacement singer for Accept, right? Maybe you want to just tell us about that really fast, you know? Really fast. Other panic. They advertised that was my final audition at a club called The Empire in Cologne, Germany. We're sitting across from the venue. There's a line of about 2,000 kids. They advertised it as Germany's number one metal band. They didn't say Accept. And everybody knew that they had a new singer and they knew what was going on the fans. So that they're standing out in this March cold rain. And a certain manager said, I've invited a friend to come and see and give me their opinion. And I'm like, oh, great. And who walks through the door in his bon captain's fencing uniform? But Bruce Dickinson. Oh, sorry, I'm late, Mike. And he's reaching over, shaking everybody's hand. They've not done tour together. How are you doing? How are you doing? And during I say, well, I'm fired. I'm done. That's Bruce Dickinson. I couldn't even talk. I was terrified. And at during the set list, we're playing and there's about 1,500 people in this place, stage diving, going insane because we're playing the old catalog, right? We're not playing anything new. And I could see him standing at the sound board with that person and doing this. And I'm thinking, you know, while I'm performing, this guy is saying I'm a hack, but I'm giving it everything. I woke up the next morning, expecting to be sent home, heard the band talk and drinking coffee. They said, welcome to accept. And I said, what did Dickinson say? And she said he leaned over. I said, hire the hire the guy and left. I never talk about because there'll be there's little pieces of my memory in that because I was also told KK Downing was there. And I didn't see him personally, but apparently at this long table, KK was sitting kind of incognito and was invited by the band for their opinion on that as well. This was no joke, guys. I told you in the beginning of this interview, they did not know if turning left was actually left. I mean, it was total panic from the decision until they can. They were never comfortable in their own skin with that record. But that led you to a possible position or an audition with Judas Priest. I mean, just talking about it. I blew that. I mean, I'll take the blame for that one. At those days, I had done Circle of Silence with Greg Chason and Dancing on the Sun and those songs are way up in outer space. I could do that pretty comfortably. I can still do it now, but not as consistently. Myself, Ralph Sheepers and Ripper Owens were the three choices for Judas Priest. Now, the split up with, except with Ugly, everybody knows that and everybody knows everybody. And certain people that manage both bands know each other. One day, the fact that she went off and I got a fact from Jane Andrews, we've got your Circle of Silence album and Glenn and I and the boys love it. Are you available for an audition? I mean, I almost shit myself. I said, I had been to LA, put Bangalore together, Brunch had come in and destroyed all of our careers, or we probably did part of it to ourselves. But here I am getting faxes from Jane Andrews, Glenn Tipton's woman, who's managing the band now for what, 40 years. And I've met Rob a few times years ago. And I heard the story of what was going on in the band. And I mean, I knew things were kind of weird. And then he went on and did his solo thing. But it kind of went on and on and on. And that's a big move for them, right? I'm ready to get on a plane and go to England. And let's, let's jam. I know every from the first album to now. I mean, I've seen you guys 50 times live. I mean, come on. So I get to Munich because I have to do a press campaign for the second Circle of Silence record. And the main editor of Metal Hammer at the time, a dear friend of mine, I'm in his office. And he goes, yes, I've had the moments about this, do this freestyle. I think you can do it, man. I said, man, they've faxed me like 10 times. And there's no like solid answer. It's like, except on steroids, nobody says yes. No, I mean, he goes, well, I have KK's name in my Rolodex. So what do I freaking do? My stupid ass. I write a letter to KK to his home. And like three days later, I'm getting a fax. I'm back in the States. And it's like, how dare you? So around me and like KK, who gave you his home address? I kept my mouth shut because my friends said, don't tell him. So you basically just shut yourself in the foot. I mean, I think they'd pretty much figured out Ripper was the guy. But had I not done that, I may have been in at least two rehearsals. But I got kind of anxious like, come on, man, I'm in Germany. I mean, it's a one hour flight to London. Now I'm here just to say yes or no. I mean, if you know, and I'm sure there were some forces behind it kind of staring them off, I mean, I was out of my mind in those days. I mean, you know, I'm not going to lie about it. I was like every other guy my age, age, but you just know how it would have turned out. You just never know. It could have been the other way around too, right? You don't know. Yeah. I mean, I could have walked in and hit victim of changes and done it three or four times and they went, you're hired. That's the story I heard about them. One or two lines, you're in. You know, and I didn't even think what when you told me the story about video, how stupid of me. I mean, I could have probably put together a great compilation, just mailed that along with their faxes. But you didn't think like that in 1995, you know, 94. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great story. It was a flight. It was a flight. And I know a guy picking you up at the airport with your name and then you go to a rehearsal studio and then the van trickles in. They give you the set list and you do it and they film you and then they take you out and see how you drink. They all watch you, how you behave and, you know, it's like a three day challenge. And then they send you home and you wait by the phone to ring and or the fax to say, thank you, but no, thank you. But I made a mistake. It pissed him off. And I kind of laughed about it now lately. It's just go ahead and get mad, dude. I wanted the job. What would you do? I would probably do the same thing. Yeah, I mean, I want the job. You're going to give me a straight answer to somebody. And then I didn't know they were having internal problems. You're a go getter. You're just a go getter. That's all it is. I don't quit. I say yes or no. I can deal with it. I think we should ask Kiki about this next time, Alan. Yeah. He was not happy. He was an unhappy man from what Jane said. And I didn't know that he was in trouble with Glenn and they were having issues because of the manager and all that mess was going on. I didn't know that. So controlling the band, but I wish it to be controlled. And so she looks mad because I wrote, you know, I mean, I just made a mess out of this. This happens. Stuff happens. You take a chance and whatever happens happens, right? If you didn't do nothing, nothing could have happened as well, right? Exactly. I mean, that's what George said. He said, Dave, you want an answer? Here's the address. I say do it. I know him for 30 years. Write him a letter. I go, you sure? Yeah. And I did it. And that's what Udo said, right? Or it was it maybe was not Udo was that was your face. What do you mean? Write a lovely letter. Yeah. Yeah. Write a lovely letter. That's it. That's it. All right, back to the album. Go ahead, Alan, sorry. Thank you. No, no, I said, Dave's, I just know he feels better. I know he's fighting a cold. So I hope he's able to have everything prepared and feeling good. What would you like to say your final note before we let you go? I agree with what Al said. I hope I'm healthy. And I know that the first night is a capacity of about 800. And there's 600 pre-sale because it's where I kicked off Minneapolis, my career. Oh, yeah. So it's kind of a homecoming. And that one's going to be a monster. So I'm psyched about that. I want to be healthy. The band is rehearsing right now over there. I'm using American guys. I'm proud of the record. I thank you for the mellow voice. Happy birthday. Happy anniversary. And you're doing great things, guys. Great things. Congrats on this album. Baptized by fire. Damon reached unbelievable listen. Brutal. Brutal. That's all I'm going to say. Brutal. New, we've lost the fight March 1st. New video. New single after enemy coming out March 1st. All right, Dave. All right, Dave. We're talking to you, Dave. We wish you all the best. Keep us posted and we'll have you back on. God bless you guys. I'll send you some footage of that show on March 1st and let you see how it looks, all right? Push for much success. Thank you very much. And wish me well because I have one of those right in the throat chest colds that would not go away. So tomorrow I'm going to the doctor and they're going to yank the tongue out and examine my voice just so I can go. I'm okay because I'm singing every day. I'm fine. But just to keep my anxiety level, you know, it looks good, Dave. It looks good. It looks good. Yeah, it's still apparently, you know, secondo potatio. Let's go to the break. Okay, you're fine. Go on tour. All right, man. When is this going out? Is this live? It's live, right? It's already gone out. It's past that. Right on. Have a great day, guys.