 And we're back with the breakfast this morning to look at, you know, the crisis that has brought with the People's Democratic Party. However, you know, Ayu and Atikus Kham has clashed the People's Democratic Party National Working Committee. His name, Umar Dangumar asked the Aten National Chairman until his appointment. He was the PDP National Deputy Chairperson and, you know, the PDP Spokesperson, Debo, or Logo Agba, met the announcement on Tuesday at the press conference. Now, the appointment follows a High Court Order restraining Senator Iachu Ayu from parading himself as the Party's National Chairman. And that's what we have this morning, Abdullahi Mohamed will be joining the conversation. But just before then, let's take a quick look at, you know, one of the G5 Governors putting out thoughts on this. We'll be right back. I'm happy that we're here. And you see, how God works. All those people who are plotting evil against us, they are not the ones suffering it. Yesterday, we were to crown order to commission to crown order in modern school. Today we're here. Tomorrow we'll be at Ribi Bo, the commission in Tararos of Ribi Bo. Our job ends on May 29. So nobody should say, go ahead and rest. I will only rest after my tenure as May 29, 2023. So don't think I'm not still governor. I'm still very strong governor, for not at that time. So if you do anything, I will pepper you. You see how I pepper them now? I don't know the ones suffering it now. I said nobody can suspend you, but today he has packed up from the office. We have an acting chairman there. I told him, you will go. You will go. Those liars telling you that the word has no power to suspend you is only neck. Then you don't understand. When you came into the world, the suspenders are going to do not. And you went out to go to do not. It is not that you don't have only neck. Let me tell you, you're not going to do anything. You're not going to do anything. You're not. And you went out to go to do not. It is not that you don't have only neck. Let me tell you, since they have not told you, the court has talked of that section of our constitution to say that, neck only. So you don't know what to do. And PDP did not even appeal the judgment. So forget your own is God. Because you will see your time. We are ready for the battle. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not from Deniway, but I have interest. That interest, I must go. And I'm going to carry it in May 29 when I leave the office. If somebody say you will sleep, we are not going to sleep. We are not going to sleep. A man lost his unit. A man lost his word. A man lost his local government. A man lost his state. He's coming to prison over we who won our unit. Won our war. Won our local government. Won our state. Some to the war and for your head. You cannot live where it does so. People of force who have lost our whole state want to be chatted now. They want to use university to cheer. We are not party to that. Go and bring your own local government. Here we won 32 over 32 house of assembly. Do you know? How many did you win? Here we won 3 over 3 seniors. How many did you make? We won 11 out of 13 house of wealth. How many did you win? How many did you lose here? The man you're supporting for prison, he didn't give you the vote. You lost. We, we supported the certain prison we won in our state. For equity, justice and fairness. So that is all. I'm one of the happiest person. In fact, I'm the one who's contradicting Anna to make me more happy. For the man found out that his word, look at the politician. He will be there. National chairman. Your own word will be suspending you. Does he not tell you that you're not on grant? Your own word will be suspending you. And you will go to television to say, only neck. Only neck. Stay and wait for neck. You are gone. Well, we're right here and I can't wait to share the thought of Abdulahi. Abdulahi, are you still with me? Yes, good morning. Good morning, I guess. So quickly now, I wanted to, you know, share your thoughts. What are your thoughts to the reaction of one of the G5 governors? A reverse state to be precise. Yes, on weekend as is responding to the court order following the removal of IU. It's quite unfortunate. To me, it's another display of comedy and another display of seriousness and a confirmation of charlatan attitude that has been displayed by the most visible opposition in Nigerian politics today. I mean, the PDP for the past two years or so, rather than being a serious opposition to the ruling party, the APC, whether you want to say it or not, that has cost Nigerians a whole lot of pain, whether you want to admit it or not. But the PDP, rather than being a serious opposition to checkmate the action of the ruling party, have become a divided house, have become like a laughing stock and have become an opposition unto itself, you know. And it's no surprise what is playing out at the moment, you know. An opposition party that didn't put its house in order. Definitely, we should expect almost nothing from such party as being a check and balance or even being a serious contender, you know, in order to make sure the ruling party puts its house in order and then presides over Nigeria in a better way. So the reaction to me is something that is expected. We all know Governor Wiki. So it's nothing very new, but it's also a reaffirmation of the fact that he's a very powerful man within the party. So many things that he's wanted or probably some of the things, so many things that he's mentioned to pass in the party is actually manifesting. So I think perhaps it's time that the People's Democratic Party want to give him a chance to have a very serious, if they want to clinch power probably in the next coming elections in 2027 because for this past election it shows that their house is not in order and then it is manifested in the result that we saw in the presidential election and even in the governor's election and so many states, I mean national assembly election across the state where many of the parties told what missed out unfortunately. So it's nothing new, but it shows a very serious opposition to the will in all progressive congress. It's channeling like you've stated. But you've said something that he is a strong force or a strong personality to recon with in the party. Don't you think that that's the issue where we constantly have strong peasants in our institution even at the party level. One aspect that whatever happens at the party level is a reflection of what happens at the national and so if you have strong men at the party level then it just means that we're just going to be having strong men, you know, above the institution. So we'd rather have weak institutions and have strong men. Yes, you are right, but that's the way our politics and in fact our society at large is designed. You know, rather than a strong institution we always have strong men or strong women here and there who dictate what should happen and what should not happen. So we'd rather unfortunate, but to be candid and factual that is how our society is designed. That is how most of our structures and institutions are designed. And so it's not, what's it called? It's not new that you have Godfrey, Godfrey is in, you have people who decide and place their interests above that of the institution and majority. But again, if we look at what Godfrey has been fighting for it's actually, it's to his right to mention that yes, if the presidential candidate of the party, I mean the People's Democratic Party will come from the north it's only fair that the National Tiamat should come from elsewhere, not actually the north central. I mean, as senator here, are you representing Benoistist? So what my challenge and my deepest worry and concern is the way the parties involved, both the G5 Governors as well as other stalwarts of the People's Democratic Party have played out these challenges. Seriously, politics we all know is a game of interest. It's something that I think they should have discussed in-house. They should have find a way of settling the rank rather than going all out media conflict, I mean fighting each other. And we see, like I mentioned earlier, we see these manifested in the results of the party. In fact, some of the party's Governorship Candidates have lost out on their senatorial bids, like the Governor of Benway and so on and so forth. So who is also one of the G5 Governors, you remember? So like you rightly mentioned, yes, we have strong individuals and we must begin to look at ways to empower the institutions, the agencies rather than individuals. I think to a later extent, that is what we saw with President Buhari as well, if you allow me to digress a bit, the whole thing in 2015 is the Messiah that will come and rescue this country. We all place our trust in a single individual, but the result is very glaring after eight years for every Nigerian to see, whether we are a member of AT&T or the opposition, or how political as the case may be. So it is a serious issue that we need to consider to empower our systems, to empower our institutions to work rather than placing our trust on a single individual because it's not going to go... No, no, but Mohamed, I think that we need to just stay back with the course of the conversation now, which is the party, we're talking about our political party. And in this case, the crisis is brewing within the People's Democratic Party. And of course, from the statement looking at the clip that we saw, Wike already had made it known that he's a force to reckon with. And so, how then is it that at the party level we constantly have persons who are stronger than the party itself and including the constitution of the party? That's on the one hand. On the other hand, would you really blame Iotra IU for not stepping down? Where does the power of the party lies at the end of the day? Now, if you say that him being the chairman of the party contravenes the laws of the party at the end of the day or the conventions and the rulings of the party, then how come he wasn't removed? Were we expecting that he would step down voluntarily? Now, if he didn't step down voluntarily, are you saying the party does not have the capacity to rewrite her wrongs and check the excesses? Yes, the party obviously have the capacity to do so. But don't get me wrong. What I was trying to say is the fact that you cannot have a divided house and want to make heady. Yes, Iotra IU as the baby who wants to call him the former chairman of the PDP now, you know, take Pute as the chairman then because he had the backing of the presidential candidates of the party, I mean, Atiko Abu Bakar and other stalwarts. And you know, Atiko Abu Bakar, they were on, in fact, he didn't campaign in the river state for the presidential election. To tell you the loggerheads he had with Governor Wiki and all because of the issues of keeping Senator Iotra IU as the chairman of the party. And we all know in Nigeria, in fact, no public service or no public servant actually resigns because if, yes, because if, like you say, if Iotra IU interests of the party had had, probably he would have resigned himself, you know, just to save the party, just to save the face of the party from humiliation and defeat. But he himself didn't resign. So, and I think, yes, the party has the right to right is wrong probably at what cost? At the cost that they've lost the general election massively. So, yes, they have the right to right the wrong, but like I said, at what cost? Is it not coming too late at the moment? Will it right the wrong that is supposed to have done probably in the past? Probably resigned probably five, six months ago. Will it have changed something for the party? So, these are some of the questions we need to ask. But unfortunately, it's a party affair and I think the PDP members will be best to right their wrong, the way they deem fit. But so, let me ask you now, do you think that this suspension it's based on the issue that's been on ground where you have the five governors who have been tagged, the G5 governors insisting that are you Moscow, you can have, you know, the north dominating the entire space at this need for the south side at this point in time. Or you think that it's the fact that he lost, you know, his polling unit and the elections, the outcome of the elections was not fantastic under his leadership. So what do you think is responsible, you know, for this removal? Yeah, I think it's a combination of both. But I will go with the opinion of the fact that like what Governor Wicke has been happening under this affair that the chairman of the party should be from the north as well where the presidential candidate comes from. That, to me, I think is a stronger reason for some of the stalwarts of the party to instigate the executive members at the world level to first of all suspend the chairman before finally replacing him yesterday with an acting chairman. So, but again, like I said, it still boils down to the fact that you have a divided house. It is, if you are even a ruling party, it will affect you a lot. Let alone your opposition party. So I think it's a combination of both. And it is the fact that the crisis kept moving up until the election. That also might have contributed in the chairman losing a whole lot of probably his world, his local government and so on. Mind you, even the governor, who was against him, I mean, part of the G5 governor's, lost an extraordinary beat. So it means the crisis at the party, the crisis that will before the general elections affected both lines, you know? Governor Wicke, if you permit me to go back, is a very strong man. He plays his politics strongly. Probably that is why you see the ruling party, the APC won the presidential election in reverse, even though there is a whole lot of controversy surrounding that. You see the PDP clinched the governorship, the national assembly and then the senate and the House of Assembly majority in reverse. Because I think he among the G5 governors is a stronger force, you understand? He played his politics right. He knows his people better. And what have you? So, if you want to castigate the former chairman of the party, you look at even the state governor who was against him, I mean, the governor of Benio State, who lost the senatorial beat? Not too many governors lost their senatorial beats in Nigeria. I mean, the senate has become a retiring point for most governors. So it shows that the crisis affected very many of both sides. Both the G5 governor side and the side supporting the former chairman of the People's Democratic Party. Now, so, you know, just as a way of saying for an opposition, because there was a lot of persons, there were expectations of the 2023 elections for the People's Democratic Party. And some people have thought that, you know, the opposition, major opposition did not leave up to her expectations. What are the lessons that you think that there should, you know, be paying attention to at this point in time? It's very simple and very visible and glaring to even the blind. The lessons is the fact that as an opposition, you must be a united force. You must be very united in order to gain power. You don't go to war with a divided house. You know, you don't go to war. I mean, you don't try to fight, you know, an opponent with a divided force. It will definitely lead to failure. So it's very simple. I mean, with so many of the hardships that Nigerians complained about, it was very simple that probably Nigerians would have preferred an opposition party if I'm not talking even about the PDB alone now, if the oppositions were united, probably give power to the opposition in general to say, okay, let's even test this party or this other party that we tested earlier on to see what they would do since APC have not done well in this area and that area. But again, because the opposition generally, whether the PDB, the Labour Party and so on, and all other opposition parties, because they were not united, remember, I kept saying the APC claimed power at the top in 2015 because they were mergers. You remember more than four or five parties including new governors from PDB. There were third and PDB, the new PDB governors who had to cross-cap it to support the APC candidate then. So at this point in time, what do we find? We find that the PDB, the major opposition were fighting each other, internal conflicts here and there, not even at the general level, even at the local and state level, you have internal conflict here and there. So this does not go well for the opposition. So I think what I would say is that in common elections, the opposition must understand the power of unity. And if there is any, because we mustn't shy away from that, if there is any particular strong personality within the party, you must try as much as possible to give a level playing ground to everyone so that you can achieve your aim. So that's my position. I mean it's just very surprising that IU was also brought by VK to the system and one would be wondering how everything went south at the end of the day in terms of the relationship. But of course, like you have mentioned like we already know, the issue is that you can't have power just within the north, especially the chairman from the north and then Kandri from the north and everything from the north, there should be a balance of power. But now that you have IU himself going to court, what are your thoughts? He hopes to uptown the result and the outcome of the ruling. He hopes to uptown the result. Now we will leave that for the court to decide. I don't think it's all position here to decide. But I think he has a case. He has a case, if I will say. So it's left for the court to decide if they feel he wasn't removed constitutionally, I mean according to the rulings and the rulings of the PDP then, I think it's left for the court to decide. But I think he has a case. And if he's able to prove his case, so be it. I'm sure it will be caught to the eye until then. Watching from the sidelines. So again, now for those who are saying you have to remove IU and what have you, what about those who are also agitating it within the space of the party? The activities of this governor, the G5 governor can be, you know, tagged as anti-party activities or behaviour. How come they haven't been protected or removed by the party? We have seen it very glaring. I mean, it's no gain saying, it's no hearsay that this governor's had acted contrary to the interest of their party. Yes, in every game you always have like a supporter and then an opposition. Definitely, if you remember I mentioned he himself, I mean, Senator IU, if he had been active in the interest of the party, I think it's nothing special for him to have resigned that position himself and say, okay, fine. I think we need to have a united house, even though I have supporters who want me to stay, but let me resign so that we have probably a candidate from maybe the south to come help the party so that we can have a united front to face the opposition. But he didn't. Probably he was also people definitely were there supporting him, like you mentioned, some of the governor's senators and what have you. So it's a two-way thing, like I mentioned. You know? Yes, he has support, but you know, his conscience will be preaching him now, I'm sure, to say probably why didn't I resign? You know, just to make peace within the party, because I keep happening on this that the lack of peace and the lack of unity within the party costs the party a lot. And like you rightly mentioned, why is only are you being suspended? Even though he's not the only person being suspended, you know I mean okay, those who were suspended with him, I mean, former governor I or Lily Fire Shop, it's been suspended as well, but you know he's also part of those people who vehemently reject the former PDP Chiama at the helm of a pierce. So I don't know the category reason why some of his supporters were also not being suspended. I can't tell you that, but what I know is that he enjoys support from even the presidential candidate I mean if you're saying that he's suspended because now we understand that prior to this time it was a case of rotation of power, whether to the north or to the south. And that was the case where this governor had said he has to go. But now and at this point in time one of the excuse or reason for his removal is anti-party activities. I mean there's several issues that has been alluded to his removal or suspension, however you look at it. But on the other hand again let's get back to the person who is acting chairman of the party. Now he's also of the north extraction but what difference does he make? So are we still not we now because we're not of the PDP is the PDP not still back to where they were conversing that you can't have the north dominating almost entirely. I think that we have been so if he had to go can you hear me now? I can hear you. You had to go because at some point the G5 governor had put out their thoughts and now then you still have the acting chairman who's also still of the nothing extraction. That's by the fact that you have a sudden presidency of course the south west if you like to say at this point in time but does it still not bring the party to the same conversation that they were having with the G5 governors? It does and that makes the whole situation a bit funny. Now if you're suspending the chairman probably because of like the crisis that we were in earlier and then now even the person that the party has appointed in acting capacity is also from the north. So what does it say? I don't want to preempt issues but it seems rather than even the crisis that we keep happening on the fact that yes he's from north central the candidate also is from north then probably there is a clash of ego between so many people I can't say I'm not a member of PDB probably there is a clash of ego between individuals not even people fighting for the interest of the party anymore there is a clash of ego yes I want to show you like we say in Nigeria let me show you where I am I mentioned that I will do this and I'm able to do that those kind of stuff that doesn't make a real sense so I think it's really talking about maybe the clash of egos between individuals or among individuals within the party rather than a situation that talks about the progressiveness of the party that's my opinion anyway this is what I see as Well we would definitely just leave it at that Mohammed Abdulahi thank you so much for being part of the show this morning we do appreciate you and of course we hope that you join us sometime soon Thank you very much Well that's the size of our show this morning on the breakfast we thank you so much for being part of the show following us from 7 o'clock up until this moment we will return tomorrow with more interesting headlines and it's okay to follow us on Facebook, Twitter Instagram Engage Retours on any of the social media platforms on YouTube or on Plus TV Africa Plus TV Africa Lifestyle My name is Messi Boko We'll return with the newsroom joining the newsroom at 9 o'clock for the new spring we ask that you stay with us