 I think that for all the greats, like there has to be something that's that's pissing you off something that you're fighting against it. It can't, there's no way you're going to have peace of mind and still have the drive to succeed and to conquer the way the all-time greats do. The all-time greats have to have a chip on their shoulder. If you don't have a chip on your shoulder, then you're not going to be ever reached the heights or take the measures that it takes to become an all-time great. Me, I had two chips that robbed me at the Olympics and I had a father that I separated from that I know in my heart didn't really want me to succeed without him so those were my chips and because I had those chips I can't lose because if I lose he went you understand me so in my prime I lose he went because he said I can't do without him and in my life through I was taught to I was brought up all I need is God nothing against my dad but all I need is God so my to me God prepared you to get me to a certain level but God took those roosters God took a guy named Charlie Campbell and you would know Charlie Campbell because he was a boxer back in the day amateur boxer but God showed me so much through Charlie Campbell that to this day I still speak to Charlie Campbell because without Charlie Campbell I might have never gotten to be Roy Jones tree really Charlie Campbell taught me so much about charisma that my father could never have taught me that it was unbelievable Charlie Campbell beat all my father's fighters as amateurs that were in his weight class easily almost every time because he had charisma now they were better than him but he had charisma and he beat him with that charisma how did he beat him with charisma because he believed in himself he had confidence and he knew how to do stuff that made me love watching him you understand me and he wasn't the best puncher he really didn't have the best boxing skills but his emotions he breathed with everything he did even though he was slapping he has sharp breath with it yes tell me and to me I was like whoa and he beating these guys that on my team so they learned the same thing I'm learning but they can't have that kind of charisma because my dad I want a lot of them to be them people he want a lot of them to perform with that kind of confidence you understand me so I need to learn how to do what he doing because if I can add what he doing to what we doing now I got something how did you incorporate it well I started doing the stuff he did a little bit of it and I figured out what it really was you understand me so some of the grunting some of the morning he did while he was fighting to show that he had breath control I started doing so like when you hear Bruce Lee go whoa try to come with do stuff like that in boxing match now his punches were nearly as effective were nearly as effective as the sound was but he kept on beat and in tune with the sound so it made him look way better than he really was and he won the fights against these guys because these guys don't know how to do that wow so I start copying some of it not all of it but I start doing it and to my stuff when I met him it became hell for all the little kids in the area really what Christmas some of my daddy can't teach me and he beat my daddy fighters and to me these guys are older than me I'm 12 they 17 he beating them so they ought to be better at what we're doing than I am because they're older and bigger than me right he being him no I got to get that so I got that so was it also like you obviously had animosity with your father there was there was these so you were looking for other ways to do it too no I had to find other ways God had to talk to me in other ways if God and speak to me other ways here here's the real deal what people don't understand there's nothing against my father's just kind of our destiny right when I lying this is why I tell people that nature is also a Bible right when the lion get a certain age is there to kick him out he got to go you gotta go get your own pride because this is my pride and that's kind of how me and my father mm-hmm so it's like at a young age I knew I was gonna have to go because just the way things shaped up you understand me so me growing up watching even these guys watching before me I watched all them get to the age but my daddy would never have a lot would never allow them to be as confident and as charismatic as Charlie Campbell was because he didn't allow that he's the boss he was in control of everything but he ain't got to fight nobody right so then after the 76 Olympics God gave me a second confirmation Howard Davis Junior won the Val Barker Cup I mean he was the best fighter at the Olympics but he probably was the only one of them gold medalists that didn't become world champion mm-hmm why cuz his dad had waited way too long so he waited so long that when he finally fought Jim White he couldn't beat Jim White because in Howard Davis the fire had died now his daddy the fire still was there but guess what he didn't get a fighter what how it does right you understand me that was my second confirmation that when I get old enough I gotta go yeah you understand me so it's like I start to understand and like I said nature has always been my Bible so people always say why you love animals why you love chicken when that's where I learned God's teachings from cause God made those animals and people can't change mm you understand me you can neuter him but when you neuter him you change to a whole another animal right and to me in society sometimes that's what they're trying to do to us they're trying to neuter us yes so when they neuter us we don't fight back well that's a giant thing with men today this one trying to take that's what toxic masculinity and all that bullshit this one trying to take they try to mentally neuter us yes when they neuter it when you neuter a horse he becomes a building he again he on he on fight back no more he don't care no more you understand me so it's like if you neuter a man he becomes nothing he don't care no more he ain't gonna fight back he ain't gonna stand up for itself because he ain't got no what God gave you took it out you feel me and to me that's emotionally mentally what they try to do this without physically doing so that was a problem that me and my father also had and people say well why you so against what's goes on well to me that's what he was trying to do but what I learned is and it's gonna take you down that road too I used to hunt when I was a kid right we will hunt squirrels when we hunt squirrel there'll be some squirrels that will have a penis but no balls cuz the other squirrels bit their balls off the daddy the daddy didn't the daddy have a nest about anywhere from 10 to 25 females every time one of them have a little babies he goes and bites nuts out of all the males because he wants no competition but you gotta know what you gotta get it so this shows me he can't do it physically but this way doing I watch and do it to all these other guys I told you about before me they can't beat Charlie Campbell because they're guttings Charlie Campbell's a stud he ain't better than them he ain't stronger than him he ain't a better puncher than them but in his mind he's a stud in their mind they're guttings because my dad has made them so he meant to beat them down so low that they had no real fight back in them because they got to be second to my father first I can't be that guy you're gonna rule the world you never seen a getting rule the word and breeding you understand me you understand me now you see some fast goodings cuz they just fast naturally and but they're not gonna rule the pastor because once you cut the balls out of him he's no more man yeah you feel me so it's like I'd be saying and I was like nothing personal against nobody I don't care you do what you want to do but for me I couldn't be world champion if I let my father make me a guiding mentally and emotionally you understand me so I could not stay there and become a guiding like I watched them do before me and expect to be Roy Jones that you know today it just couldn't happen that's a difficult balance with some trainers right because some trainers were fighters and they're tough guys yep and they don't want to let the other guys surpass them yeah that's a lot of one of the reasons why a lot of fighters don't make good trainers and that's why a lot of father-son relationships don't work as fighter because it's the father don't want to let the son grow up and in order to stop him from growing up you got to almost turn him into a girl yeah so he'll go for anything and not fight you back it usually works out in a weird way it's very rare that a father son fight coach