 Now, Adele, when you started Legally Clueless, most of us did not even know what a podcast is. Where did you get the inspiration? Is it because you are consuming a lot of podcasts outside the country or where did you get the inspiration? So when I started Legally Clueless, I actually had never listened to a podcast before. I hadn't, but I was quitting my show at KSFM and a very close person to me sent podcasts to me and was like, have you listened? Have you checked out this? And at that point, I was kind of done with media, but the more I read about it, the more accessible it was in terms of even equipment. And so I thought, like, why not? Let me just share what it is I'm going through. I'm living this very flashy job and I'd like to talk about the emotions I'm experiencing in the process of starting my own thing after employment. And so I didn't, I really didn't focus on if it was going to fail or not. I just kind of enjoyed the process, which was great because night became what it is today. Yeah. I'm not with a legendary Adele O Nyango. Hi Adele. Hi, how are you? Good, thank you. How are you feeling tonight? I'm good. I'm very excited. I think this is huge for like podcasting in Africa. And so I'm very proud of the semibox scene, so I'm very excited, yeah. I mean Adele, looking at where we are right now, as a Kenyan industry, when it comes to podcasting, where do you think, how is the status quo? I think it's growing. It's a young industry, so we can't expect it to be where other developed countries are, but we have more, what are they called? More creators coming into the space. We have a lot more advertising coming in. Now we have a platform to help with discoverability for people to listen to African podcasts, the Kenyan podcast. So we're growing. I mean, I've only been around for five years, so you can imagine if we've gotten this five years, where will we be in ten years, right? So I think it's growing and it's an exciting space to be in. Now Adele, when you started Legally Clueless, most of us did not even know what a podcast is. Yeah. Where did you get the inspiration? Because you are consuming a lot of podcasting outside the country, or where did you get them in sport? So when I started Legally Clueless, I actually had never listened to a podcast before. I hadn't, but I was quitting my show at KSFM and a very, very close person to me sent podcasts to me and was like, have you listened, have you checked out this? And at that point, I was kind of done with media. But the more I read about it, the more accessible it was in terms of even equipment. And so I thought like, why not, let me just share what it is I'm going through. I'm living this very flashy job and I'd like to talk about the emotions I'm experiencing in the process of starting my own thing after employment. And so I didn't, I really didn't focus on if it was going to fail or not. I just kind of enjoyed the process, which was great because now it became what it is today. Yeah. It's amazing. Now, five years, I'm sure there are a few lessons that you have learned over the years. Is that something we can take home? I think just start. You know, a lot of people wait to have the best microphone, the best software, the best this and that, you'll never be 100% ready ever, you know, so just start. The only way you get better is by exercising the muscle of doing it. So you'll do your first episode might not be the greatest quality wise, but by episode 10, it's going to sound much better than episode one. So you've got to start and just start with what you know and start with what you have. Yeah. I'm sure there's someone who is asking, you know, yes, I'm going to start a podcast. How am I really going to make money out of it? Tell us about monetization and how long can you actually just put in the effort? I think everybody's journey is different. I've been able to build a new media business around my podcast. So it depends what your goal is, what your dream is, because maybe someone just only wants a podcast, you know, so these ways to earn money either directly from your podcast or around creating tools around it. We are legally clueless, we do workshops that teach people how to build revenue models around your business so you can be able to sign up for those on our website. But it's possible, but you can't have the conversation of will I make money if you don't have the product, because what exactly is the value. So you have to create the product, be willing to put in the number of weeks, be willing to put in the production time so that you can have a good quality product that people will listen to and advertisers will want to sit on. Yeah. Okay. Away from the podcast for a minute, what are some of the three traits if a person actually has them, they cannot be your friend? Oh my goodness. I don't even think I, it's not three, it's one. Oh really? Just one? I cannot be friends with or be around people who aren't self-aware, like you have to be self-aware, constantly working to improve yourself, that's the only thing I, if you have that, we're good to go, I'm not too picky. Yeah. Someone told me if someone is not self-aware, they can't be their friends because we can't keep assuring you every single time. Okay, that's one people to be aware of who they are, to question things, not always just take things at safe, face value, those are good qualities I think for anybody to have. Yeah. Last question, what is one thing you think people actually misunderstand you? Oh, I don't care. I have no idea. Here's to be understood. I'm the one who's meant to understand my purpose and my journey and not seek that from the outside. So if I'm misunderstood, that's alright, but that's not my business. Yeah. Alright Adele, please encourage someone who's probably wanting to start a podcast anytime soon. Tell them something. I mean just what I said, start with what you know, start with what you have and you'll get better as you keep going. Yeah. Alright Adele, thank you so much for talking to us. Thanks for having me. Thanks.