 Thank you very much for keeping it to I 254. Thank you very much for keeping it. Why in the morning? My name is Ram Mago. If you've just joined us and you just in time for the next discussion of the day youth and Politics the day we saw about discussing BBI in By elections remember last week we had by elections held in different parts of the country different political leaders Putting their best food forward to support their preferred candidate and these candidates come from different political parties UDA Jubilee A&C ODM, you know Ford Kennan different leaders campaigning for their people and their people getting to win that ticket there by meaning that they have a Hold of their region. Well, this one we shall be putting into focus how these Translates into the general elections that we are expecting to have come 2022 Is this previously held by election the tone for the 2022 general election as the national politics took set a stage as it was seen during the Previously held by elections. Is this what we are expecting to see is this the violence We expect to see how can we stop these? You know things that happened during the by elections. We had so many people who got hurt during these by elections How can we put a stop to this is this more political rather than civil? How can we put an end to this is this what I expect to see the hashtag as always is why in the morning at Ram Agucco at Y254 channel at That is on on Twitter head over to Facebook We are on at Y254 on Facebook drop us a comment We shall sample as we continue with this Conversation your comments and get to see what you are saying also tell us where you're watching us from on this Particular discussion. I'm joined by Lame Corina to my extreme left He is a chairman of hustler for hustler movement. God was an alarm egg To and next to me. I'm also Continuing with this conversation. I am with the Kiragumuridhi the CEO of Vyjana Bailey foundation Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Good morning. I understand you cook. It's a good day that we are seeing Violations held in the country. Is this what we expect from 2022 love it? some extent yes, it was an eye-opener what you can expect more so in terms of Polyquine political intolerance going forward. I think the country is so polarized But we have to do something urgently to solve the problem. Yeah, a simple election as a award MCA seat attracting the national attention even the police Clubbering people just because of an MCA so unfortunate, but I was saying MCA is of less Important is not less important, but the election itself is very small because they turn out can be around between two to three thousand people When the winner was hard a margin of less than 300 So it's not an important election that we must focus on as a nation We can leave the locals to pick their own leaders with that interference So it's a thing that we must look into urgently Before it buys over Yeah, yeah, this is what we expect up to do. Yes, I beg to agree with him This is a reflection of what we expect in come 2022, but again, it's very unfortunate And sad story for a country to see fracas and violence In these polling stations where the Constitution enshrines that we should practice Peaceful elections, but now what we saw especially in parts of Kilimani in Kilimani primary school where they By elections who are taking place we saw intimidation by police and violence And I think this is not the way to go and we have been here before it's it feels like a deja vu Kenya has been faced by Political violence during elections, but again, I beg our leaders to desist from Involving in violent ideologies that will cause political instability in our country But you think you're talking about intimidation by the police or the police also, you know a pushed to the extent of you know Throwing out a gas canister easy that they were pushed and that they had you know to do it that they had to you know Come out and bring sanity to the polling stations. Would you blame the police or the people? Well, Ram, it's all evident through the videos and photos you can see in the social media. We saw that Police police were intimidating those particular Representative those allied specifically those allied to the deputy president That's what you believe my brother. That that's what I saw it's evidence all of a social media Yeah, that was the case actually because in The aspirant there was arrested even before getting to the polling station So which piece was it breaching before go to the polling station? It was just outside his gate then the police funded on him. I'm looking at so okay Since since now this is what is in the public domain, you know some leaders who are you also seen kicking back Tia gas canisters back to the police Is that Something that you would expect of our very own leaders. Why you call the police to get their leaders? He has a man one person if he's broken the law I can't you arrest him and take him to the custody But you've given an example of someone was also arrested Yes, if they are reset by No, you cannot just arrest somebody without any any charge. Yes They let them say was the aspirant or coming out of his house just a few meters from his house Going to the polling station. Then was arrested. So I think there was a coordinated Kind of a thing from the police to intimidate a certain group of Politicians because it was all over the country Politicians allied to the deputy president. That is the UDA party who arrested en masse everywhere from From London in Nakuru, Kimokama, Nkisi, Matungu, everywhere they were arrested. So We cannot say that all of them were causing mayhem So it was a coordinated thing from the police service and should not be so because the police under the new Constitution should be independent should not take orders even from the minister in charge of the interior Okay, I'm looking at the violations that took place in Matungu. Let's head over to western So we had the violations that took place in Matungu in Kaka Mega County and Kabuchai in Bungoma, where we had, you know Winnings for ANC party and that goes to the And also for Ford Kenya party that goes out to Ford Kenya leader Moses Wethangola and these two wins in Kabuchai and Matungu Also showed a great level of Impact that these two political parties have or the hold that they have on the region What do you make of this from the western block? Let me come to you Well in my perspective In The violations in the western region and I say I said earlier we Kenya We have a representative democracy and in which we have competitive Politics in which there is a winner and there's a loser, but again UDA being a new party in the in the political scene I must say it's a win for them since we saw the candidates gannering some At least a quite a good percentage of the votes and I say and I Say that it's good for politics that we Indeed had good results and good by elections and I must say it's a good move Yeah, and for for so any of you saying it's It was a litmus paper For UDA to see their hole in the region sure Not a litmus paper for someone like for example, money. Hello, Ali who is vying for The government the gubernatorial seat in the region was it at least must be for someone like money. Hello, Ali to see You know, uh, whoever will get a hold of the the seat. We are looking at Ford Kenyans Win for the seat most A. L. C.'s Win for the seat they return their positions So it's more of a positive impact for UDA rather than A. N. C. and Ford Kenyans Yeah, that's why I say that there was a winner in there and a loser and it's good for the winners because In the western region we have the popular party the popular the A and C and the Ford Kenyans Yes, and we did see that they retained their seats, which is good for them. But again for UDA being a new Political party in the same it's a win for them since the candidates all also got quite a good percentage of the votes Yes, Ram. I can say for the UDA, which maybe I'll belong to in future. It was a lesson Probably maybe you never know Oh So Ram, I can say that it was a lesson for us to see how we can improve this baby because in the baby steps We just formed not not so many months ago. So for us, it's a lesson We know where to tighten and where to improve But coming to your question Ali, you said that if it was a little more stress for the lower unity Yes, which has been elusive for a long time. Yeah I will say so because These two gentlemen are going to believe in themselves more That they are coming together can actually bring up something positive because you remember the they divided the seats Usalias Ford Kenya went to Kabuchai and Ncs What do you call it? Usalias Nc went to Matungu So that subdivision say saying that you you are popular in this place Take this you are in popular in this place. Take this. So this unity will will actually Be a how do you call? It's not good for I load in guy I'm seeing the the candidate did not get the seats. Yes Because the two gentlemen from the lower land will be more bold They are likely to front one person to go for the presidency and we remember western has been for a real last bedrock for a long time So they're coming together. It's really going to be a headache for the gentleman Reloadinga because the two are going to form a very serious Pact and I'm seeing the former Matungu member of parliament David Wehre of Odeon party that also in regards to what you said talk about this violation actually it was his second defeat in three years Yes, having lost the seat back in the 2017 elections Yes, this confirmed the the idea that Odeon is failing the popularity of Odeon is going down in the western region and The rail-loading a red party is in danger of facing a serious threat coming 2022 And these shows that rail-loading gas options are going low for day because if The handshake will not work Then the co-principals in NASA are coming stronger. It's going to have a problem going forward. I'm looking at what Some analysts are saying some are talking about the country's new level of political You know discourse changing. We are looking at people like Senator Cleo first Malala no guy remember of parliament. I observe willa we had also people like Titus Kamala who emerged during these elections as you know Who are emerging to be key leaders in their in their own way? So are we seeing people new kids in the block? Are we seeing UDA coming up with you know new strategies that can actually Be a threat to national leaders that we know of like Honorable Raylao Degas Well, I must say that UDA Being a new party in the political scene. It's really a threat to the political class and I'll give you an example We had the M'sambwini by elections, which was Rayla's bedrock The the UDA won during those by elections and that gives you a signal and a reflection of what we expect From the UDA party. It's big and it's huge well Jubilee party also we have They shared wins in the by election for for Thursday in Nakuru County We had you the UDA candidate for London ward Antonin Zuki was declared the winner for for this particular By election and Jubilee also had its own win You are saying UDA is coming up as a force to recommend. What about Jubilee party that sort of gaining its own Wins for these by elections. I Think around Jubilee is a is a good case Come on. They are winning. They are winning by elections. They are winning by elections I cannot I cannot attribute the win at our health gate in Naivasha to the local politics Because we will say All politics are very local Jubilee had a strong candidate. They chose that lady. I forgot the name and on our side Our candidate was not so strong But going by the figures and the money the the Jubilee party used in London and they still lost I can only confirm that the Jubilee is a good case. It cannot resurrect itself It's a shell of itself. You find a secretary general who in the previous election was just for doing Administrative work going to London to campaign for an MC seat Whereas they could have we could be having the elected MPs and leaders of the Jubilee campaigning for the party But these are named a secretary general coming out of office going to the award to campaign for an MC and still lose What do you make of that? Interesting. What do you make of it? Well, I am a good you agree with what he said. I agree with him. I totally agree Well, you see we have seen the fights in the Jubilee house And we can say it's a ramshackle house. It's falling apart starting with the the whipping of the leaders in the both the Senate and the National Assembly and now a House that is kicking people its own people out of the block. It's falling apart and he has said an example of the secretary general going to Campaign for an MCA in a health get word. You can see they they are weak and They are they are helpless and now did William Brutus also show support for them some when he buy election Nomini for you day when they were campaigning not direct note Photos were they didn't campaign for him. Just admit for a strategy meeting when he was not there He's never stepped in something And this this brings to your early question if there's a change in political discourse in the country and if it's a boost absolutely yes because the previous The previous endorsement election is almost coming to an end Why if you had a kingpin from your from a certain area you almost certain of clinching The vote of that region I think the new the new kids in political space are doing a good a great job Why you are going to talk to the citizen directly? You don't have been involved kingpin Sorry, can make us from region. So the people can I'm like like Malala people people like Did in euro The Kimani Chung was They're going to the ground speaking to the issues affecting people So I think going forward that's a new method people are going to use going direct to the people. That's a new day We're saying one one inch water more So we're going to tell the people issues and tell them these are the positives They're negative. So what do you decide as a as a people even in the coming referendum? Let's look at what also took center stage in the past one week. We had senator man. They sent Senate minority leader Senator James orego. He accused officials within Harambe house of trying to derail Raya Laudegas presidential journey According to her orego. He said this and I quote I want to want some top civil servants Paid by taxpayers money to stop meddling in the country's political leadership What do you make of this? well these shows that there's some dis-older and fragility within the handshake Issue and these people coming out you remember James Orenko is a handler of Rila Odinga a main handler of Rila Odinga And him coming out saying that their issues and forces within government that they are blocking Trying to block Rila Odinga from presidency presidency come 2022 these shows that BBI is all about 2022 why why all these issues? Where else that you're saying that BBI is not about 2022? I'm looking at the rally that Rila was supposed to attend to The rally that he missed he was supposed to appear yesterday at a rally that was scheduled to to have him give, you know Very important remarks according to sources. They were they were expecting big a big announcement on this rally that was At Kamukuji grounds where he missed So, sir, I don't look at her say this and I quote we won't present Uhuru Not to enter any political partnership with Rila But he refused and the government starting fighting us now. He can see for himself What do you make of this? Ram, I think the foundation of handshake was made of sand From the onset it was a blackmail process Where people used others to gain something no one used anyone from my perspective In your view, let's talk facts. Yes, looking at the handshake and what was what is there in the public domain on the ball outing of Yes, they met they had a handshake and it's also in the public domain that no one was coerced into doing anything But you can see what is coming out now. Yes, we are Ringo's The them before a reader They're coming out in a coordinated manner to try Coerced the president into doing something you talk about Yeah, they were speaking some some sort of coordinated messages to the president Even if you was not addressing them directly, I Think the the problem started when the said civil servant took over the child the leadership of the BB a process Where the ODM were not happy Probably from the analysts even from the front page of the today's papers saying The said civil servant staves the odium of cash I'm looking at what happened on Saturday We had the National Assembly minority with Jeanette Mohammed who asked the the prison to bar the interior principal secretary That is Karajaki Mishu from BBI activities while Orango accused in a quote a gang at a rabbit house of frustrating the handshake by crafting an Alternative power succession strategy Honourable unit one of the BBI train is at risk of crumbling ahead of the referendum If this is not considered That was some saying Why will the two brothers fight if they are pushing the same agenda? You're talking about Rila and the Rila said and they will decide because Urugu has the civil servants and a few politicians on his side Rila's politicians from the odium side on his side. So this side of Rila is accusing the Urugu side of Subdraging the process If the goal is the same why the fights if the PS is spearheading a process to Actualize the dream then why is the fight? So I think the odium side is trying to blackmail the president into Maybe barring the PS from spearheading the process so that the odium can have a Plady and Unleash the process because they they think it is tied to the 2022 general election I don't wanna say the room. I don't want to say that it's only honorable root of who stood with president Orokinar since the year 2012 and And Can't be trusted unlike under Rila who can walk out at any time but according to senator Kata Well, yeah, it's sure. It's true that Ruto has supported the president You agree with this statement sure Ruto has supported the president Orokinator for the last since the year 2012 And you remember these was a two against seven those from the NASA Coalition the NASA Alliance and I think This was not a walk in the park. It's a walk that required sweat blood and water and again Ruto has Tirelessly campaigned for the president and worked for him effort effortlessly and again. It's time that Embraces his Deputy and gives him a hand and supports him in 2022. I'm looking at The claims that holdable to has been the greatest support of Ruto of who saying that he is Someone who has stood with the with president you agree with that love. Yeah, I agree because they did it President stood for for with the whole since 2002 not even 2012 2002 when the big weeks in Kano left to knock then The people who remain with the whole after the former president they let the mowing and those the the current president The few people remain in the president is who William Ruto and maybe I'm never did the rest Right away to Kano. I want us to even even when it was conceding defeat in 2002 the person was just next to him Was William Ruto? So these are gentlemen who has proven loyalty over time and I were not asking the president to endoses What we're just saying let the process be fair don't intimidate us. Let's go directly to the people and Talk to them what you want to do for this country. Who is us? Let's bring this conversation to a close so let me finish with you Kirago You're the CEO of Vigianna Mbele Foundation. Sure. What's Vigianna Mbele Foundation all about? Vigianna Mbele Foundation is an unpartisan youth organization That was established with a name to bring youth together and give them a platform Where we can create a socio-economic and progressive society for young people Hasla for Hasla are you obvious? No, I'm not obvious. Maybe you're perspective So the Hasla for Hasla movement is a mobilization group for the deputy president It is a partisan and like my friend's movement We believe that we've had enough of the of the deputy president. We believe him. So we're just acting as messengers To the machinani people we can tell them This is what the gentleman is planning for us as your fellow Haslas will come from Machinani So as your fellow Haslas you believe in them Yeah, we believe in him. So we're going to spread the message all over the country so that we can convert as many people as possible So as I said last time Hasla doesn't mean that you're poor. It means you're ready to work. You're ready to give your all For your success so you can have cars you can have billion but so long as you want to work more for your dream You're a Hasla. So we are inviting everybody even from the other side They can come join the movement. It is not it is not an ass versus them It is as empowering us all and make me sure that everybody Succeeds how can people find you on social media? We don't believe foundation You can find us at social media at vision and Bella Foundation on Instagram vision and Bella Foundation of Facebook vision and Bella Foundation on Twitter On Twitter H4H on Facebook. We're not on Instagram But you're planning to move there and maybe YouTube it will be YouTube Before I finish I can shout out with my members We're watching the Hasla for Hasla moment. We're watching me today and the Solutions for change group, which is also a very strong Food so just for the for the process. All right. Thank you very much. That is Lame Corina chairman for the Hassler for Hassler movement and curago with the CEO of Vietnam Bella Foundation gentlemen, it was a it was a pleasure great leaders taking center stage in National discussions. Thank you very much. Thank you. That was the end of youth and politics So it was all about bbi and You know bbi in by elections. What are your thoughts in regards to this the hashtag as always one in the morning We're taking a short break. We'll be back in a bit. Keep it wide to pay for more still to come