 March 18th select board meeting first item on the agenda is to approve the agenda. I make a motion to approve the agenda as written. Second. We will second it. Any discussion? Hearing none. All of those say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? All right. And approved as written. Next on the agenda is the select board organization. Including electing the chair and vice chair and secretary. Do I have a motion? Is there a particular order we'd like you to? Accepted. But why don't we follow the agenda? So chair first. Yeah. Chair vice chair. I would like to nominate Roger Clap for the chair of the Waterbury South Board. Second that motion. Moved and seconded. Discussion? Thanks for your service already. Well, it's not your will to. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the nomination. I would be honored to serve as chair again. I feel like I was just getting started this past year. I would love to serve again. I don't intend to necessarily serve out an entire three year term in this position. But I would be honored to serve as chair on this year. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All of those say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All abstained. Okay. Next we have vice chair. Do I have a motion? Second to nominate Alyssa Johnson as vice chair for the coming year. Second. Moved and seconded. Any discussion? Thank you. Yeah. Well, I'd say you have big shoes to fill. I thought Dating did a great job as vice chair for a couple of years that I was here. And I appreciate you stepping forward. You're clearly qualified to do extensive work on both the select board, planning commission, et cetera. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All of those say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? I'll follow Roger. That passes with one abstention. Okay. Secretary. So I have a motion. So having served as secretary, we are incredibly fortunate that Karen, in addition to printing all our material, takes meticulous notes for the meeting. So I would note it is largely a ceremonial title, but a good formality to have. Except that Karen can't make it to the next meeting. Oh. You will have a responsibility. You have to share that now before nomination. Okay. We have a motion. I'll second it. We don't have a motion. I was just saying having served last year. Oh. It's like a role in this. All right. I'll move whether that Karen serves as secretary. Do we need an alternate? Yeah. You need a board secretary. I'll follow on the hearing grenade if someone wants to make a motion. All right. Move from second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those who ever say aye. Aye. I understand. Any opposed? Any abstentions? One over here. I got it. The motion carries. Okay. We have our three officers in place. And any further organization needed? We move forward. We move forward. the motion carries. Okay we have our three officers in place and any further organization needed we move forward. Do we have to do conflict the things I forgot it was a good tickets. Next on the agenda is the consent agenda. What's like about 10 or 11 items on it? Do I have a motion? I make a motion to approve items A through I as printed on the agenda. Second. Discussion? Hearing none. All members say aye. Aye. Opposed? Any abstentions? Consent agenda is approved as written. Okay now we have the public session. Anyone wishing to address an issue not on the warned agenda please step forward to state their name. I ask you to try to confine your comments to three minutes or less and anything needing more than that will bring it up in a meeting. Yes Chris. Roger I had something to tell me should I just wait for the next. Yeah we're gonna do a debriefing on town meeting. Not on the agenda. I just want to report the town charter passed the house a few weeks ago. It is now passed the Senate Government Operating Committee and Senate Finance. Tomorrow it is scheduled for what's called the second hearing of the bill. Oftentimes the third and final hearing will occur the following day or quite quickly. That is approved it would then it will be fully approved by the Senate and House. The Secretary of I don't recall it's a House or the Senate but essentially delivers it to the Governor. That takes a few days. The Governor has five days to sign it. I talked to the tax department today when I presented the local option tax I noted that once it's passed and signed if it's passed and signed it's a two quarter process to get it in place. There's apparently been some efficiency because what I was told today was it will be in place one quarter after the quarter in which it is signed into law. So if it is signed into law by the end of March it would be in effect for July 1st. If it is signed before June 30th it's October 1st. Great. So we could have a very substantial unbudgeted revenue gain ahead of our way. Thanks work. Anything else? Yes. Cheryl. I'm Cheryl Ballor. So I just wanted to know if you guys had a status update on the property that you were looking at on High Street and the purchase of Lawson Hall. I know that it was talked about a little bit in the report but I know if we were any farther along with any plans for those two. Sure. I can address that. So Stanley Lawson's site is still owned by the state. The bill was signed into law last June to essentially sell the site to us. They're working on the subdivision that requires an amendment of their active 50 permit. Not a very difficult amendment. They submitted that amendment probably a month ago and it was rejected because it was incomplete. My understanding is they did not note on the application that the site is certified municipal water and so are so it should be an easy correction. State moves well. I hope to have the property in our hands three months ago. We hope we're not in the same place in three months. So we can't do a whole lot until we own the property. The High Street property. We hired Rainier to do a survey for engineering to do some work to make sure there's no unexpected continues with the site. We've looked first at the bottom part of the property. There's certainly room for some development. The challenge. There's two. There's two big challenges. Really three I'd say. The first is it's not a level site by any means. So in our thinking you would probably build a driveway off of Armory. Come in. There's there's probably four or five feet of Armory. There's a four of them if you know the site. You come in that direction. So you'd have to do a site work. But the other challenge is there's water right there with a ton of pressure. The sewer runs on the far side of houses off of High Street. So you have to you have to run the sewer through someone's driveway and then obviously negotiate with that person and probably repaint their driveway. So it's not not without challenges. And depending how you do the units, there's an awful lot of dirt to move. So we're also my initial thinking. I think our initial thinking internally was look at the bottom side of the property first, the High Street side. Given some of the difficulties in developing it, we're gonna also take a look at the top and bring back to the passing task force and select board some options. So we're getting there just takes a little bit of time. So no idea what kind of housing you want to put up there at this point. You can accommodate I think on the bottom side of it. And we don't have anything formally yet. But I think you can accommodate a couple of couple of units that are that are duplexes or triplexes. If that was a desire that's that's towards a higher end of maximizing density, you could also just do something much smaller or nothing, of course. Haven't taken a close look at the top side of it. But it's a little bit a little bit bigger area, a little bit easier to develop. And you've got water and soar right there. But probably something similar. You know, just down the road, you've got we've nine units in the corner there. And that's not on a huge parcel of land. The top side is I think for the top side, maybe nine is a bit too big, but accommodate six. And I was thinking competitive RFP on this thing. Yes, it's okay. We're not quite there. And the challenge is when I talk to developers, it's an interesting conversation because my, you know, we all we hear about is the housing market is insane. And there's an assumption there that there's a huge profit margin for developers. When I talk to developers and real estate agents, the answer I get is, not really. There's a big profit margin for developing 3000 square foot homes on 20 acres. There's not necessarily a big profit margin for developing homes in the village. And the numbers I'm generally told for for property like this or by water and soar, it's still development costs in the range of 400 bucks a square foot, which is pretty pricey. So if you think about you know, think about apartments, if you're going to build a or couple, you know, some duplexes, if you're three units that are not huge, you've still got 1.2 million into the building. That's just what the market is. So it's a bit of a challenge. And that's why you're not seeing a ton of multifamily housing being built. Just more of a challenge. And there's there's a big margin, I think, and, you know, the upscale single family homes less of a margin in the downtowns. So it's certainly possible to do it, but it's yeah, I don't think we're going to I don't think we're going to make. There's not a million dollar profit. There's certainly some profit there. Right. And part of it, I think depends on what the town wants to do with it. So the you know, when you when you want to land, you can you can set the terms. Right. So if you want to develop the downside in your high street, for instance, does the town want to maximize profit? Maybe at the expense of density, does the town want to require some some extensive landscaping of the bank to enhance the field of community? There's some negotiation you can do in those things. You know, you're in the driver's seat when you want it. Yeah, well, make it fit in the neighborhood. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I think it's a competitive process. But but maybe in the end, it's not just based on sale price, it's based on some of those other factors. Right. That makes sense. I appreciate that. And I know 11 in New Hampshire is just doing a pilot thing with single store homes. You guys read about that with the grants and things from the state, something to maybe kind of check out when we're looking at it. And it's just in the paper a couple weeks ago, they're doing something like similar their town properties too. So all right. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Sure. One other follow up just recognizing part of like the suite of things having to do with housing in town is I just wanted to plug that the housing task force is meeting this Thursday from six to eight. There is a new option that agenda is posted on the town website. But just to say an hour of the meeting is devoted to discussion with the developer, just looking about challenges they're running into in the community. And then the other agenda item is looking at potential of infill development with someone from the Central Mont Regional Planning Commission. So just to say like, in my view, those are two specific housing projects, but also part of this broader picture around what we're doing in town. And we also as a select board had approved earlier in the year that group specifically looking at types of housing that's needed in the community, just as we're thinking towards some of these questions around what type, what size, what price rate, that is also something the group is looking at more broadly through the housing task force. Thanks, Alyssa. You said Thursday. Correct. Six to eight. Yep. And that's the standing meeting date. It's the third Thursday, I believe six to eight. Okay. Any other comments from the public? This is Valerie Rogers. Can you hear me? We can. Go ahead, Valerie. Great. To probably talk about the, from a state police contract, or is that coming with leader? I didn't see it on the agenda. It is on the agenda this week. I just have a public comment. Sure. I'm not the contract. I think five minutes is how many minutes is going to be signed soon for June. The price is going to go up I think from three to five to four or five thousand with a potential for less coverage because of staffing. And I just want to make a comment that I think we have a lot of gaps currently. So from my perspective, what I understand is that our town doesn't have any trooper resident on our in our district. Saturday and Saturday into the afternoon until five. No trooper all day Sunday until Monday morning. No trooper from 2 a.m. to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. And then we don't have any resident trooper Monday after five. So I guess I would just say that I don't know if you're negotiating those kinds of scheduling. I know that you're saying that the BSP is saying to the short staff, but I just want to bring it to your attention that I noted that I think there's a lot of gaps. And I have paid attention to the BSP reports. They send to this board monthly, I believe data regarding the events who call but the kind of events that they responded to whether they responded well, the resident trooper was in town or not and the response time. So I think these reports are really important to be able to that's the success of this project. And I haven't seen one posted since June of 2022 when the barracks was in middle six. And then it moved to Berlin. So I do know in June of 2022, the last report was about 110 events in June. 57 calls came in during the resident troopers time in Waterbury. I think 53 came in while the resident was not in Waterbury. And response time for that trooper that traveled from middle six was 30 minutes to closer to an hour plus. So I would appreciate being able to review the additional reports once the troopers the barracks moved to Berlin. And I hope that you have been reading assessing these reports to move forward with, you know, the project is successful. The more you see events being called when the troopers not in Waterbury should be concerning to the community and to you. So that's my comment. And because of the gap on Monday nights for the eclipse will be heavyhead trooper on call Monday night at 8 even though they're not scheduled. I think we got most of it. Sally did you have an update on that? So the next year trooper doesn't work for the set. What it used to be was Tuesday through Saturday. The next year trooper now works in rotating schedule. That Monday for everybody in the state this is a heavy day so there is a trooper on that Monday night of the eclipse. So Valerie do you hear that there will be a trooper on Monday night of the eclipse. Okay great. And can you give a kind of report about what you've seen in these reports in terms of when these calls are coming in? I mean I haven't seen anything since June 2022 and I hope that they're uploaded onto them. Yeah I'm working with the state police to get those up. That's the only way to assess this project. Yeah and we do intend to have this on the agenda for a fuller discussion. It's just that we had a pretty packed agenda today and we do have a couple of months before we have to finalize the new agreement. So yeah we will get this on the agenda within the next two meetings. Thank you. Yeah. All right thank you. Anything else from the public? Yeah Mike. Just an extension to that. Didn't Tom you said that possibly because of if the OMRI project winds up going through that we would consider negotiating to get extra time from the troopers as I don't think they have the staff to I know that's kind of but it's a good bargaining chip. Thanks. Just one last public comment. I just wanted to thank and publicly acknowledge crew our long term recovery committee who put on a flood fare this past Saturday and just there was a lot of resource providers and folks I didn't know we had outreach staff from some of our senators who live in town so it's just neat to know those folks from the community I know several of us attended but just wanted to acknowledge the volunteer work that went into them and giving that on for us. You're here. All right any other comments from the public? Let's move forward. The debriefing of town meeting open it up. Anyone wish to make a comment? Yes Mike. I thought it was a good meeting. I thought it was fairly well attended met my expectations for attending I always wish that there are more people that will go I was a little surprised that more things weren't discussed under other business that weren't but I think the discussion of the budget was very clear and I think questions were asked and I think in general there was a good discussion everything pretty much on the agenda seemed to the warned agenda seemed to pretty much go through but I think it was a good meeting. Also note that we didn't pledge allegiance to the flag and we presented the Keith Wallace awards so we addressed a couple of issues that have been brought up after last year's town meeting. Daly. Hi, thanks. I am curious if we have ever and if it might be something we consider doing which is kind of taking quote attendance at town meeting getting an idea of could be obviously optional but an idea of how many people are there for how long that might be the harder part maybe a demographic of age. When I look around in the room I see not as a broader range of age as I would love to see there are certainly some barriers to participation on town meeting day when it comes to work and not having a day off so as we go forward and think about how to make town meeting equitable and accessible for as many water very voters as possible I was thinking about just getting an idea of how many people are there and who it is and then maybe seeing what kind of outreach we could do to folks who can't make it and find out why they can't make it by and or why they choose not to go and help you know have a little bit of data to draw any decision making or discussion in the future. That did a rough head count came up with about 150 at least at one point but I don't know if we have anything more accurate than that. The voting staff is not going to be in a position to take those numbers or maintain any kind of lists I can't put that kind of burden on them I think Tom and I have 180 at one point we were exchanging little slipping little notes to each other headcount so from our vantage point that was about what we came up with there were definitely people who came and stayed a short time and left there were some people who stayed for the entire meeting it's a great idea for my seat in my chair I don't know how I could do that for you but designating someone to do it would be fine. Yeah I think it would be a volunteer situation not a staff or you know best of the peace situation at all. For sure. Yeah Chris. One of the things that I wanted to comment on was the fact that I turned around a couple times and saw the room pleasantly full of people and to Karen's point the amount of people that cycled through you know you can count heads at any given time but how many of those heads changed during the course of the meeting in order to get a real count that might be difficult to do I was pleased with the amount of people that were there in comparison to past meetings I saw a lot of new faces that I hadn't seen before so that was good and that I was somewhat concerned about had been for a number of years is the fact that our representatives show up just for a short period of time make a few comments and out the door they go there's no time frame at all to ask questions or you know get input from their constituents and it kind of reminds me of the thing that they had over here across at Brook meeting when I had said been nice they picked a different night so that not only the board could have gone there but you know I quite honestly way things are going would rather be at a board meeting than in front of them because I tend to see more movement of the needle here than at the state level but I was going to talk a little bit or had thought about talking a little bit to the residents and the people that were at town meeting about some of their thoughts about what's going on at this state level to hear their concerns or been nice if somehow that could have get passed on to our representatives I can tell you and I know there's some people or at least one person on Zoom who have reached out to our representatives I've reached out to several representatives not only the two that we have here when I look at it all our representatives are we're their constituents of all of them and for whatever reason they don't want to return your call they don't want to reach back out to you that's sad because I know that if I contacted any one of you select board members I would certainly get a hold of me and find out what I was interested in I don't know how to change that I know their time frame is short because they have to make it for Huntington I don't know yeah it would have been a nice time to have at least a few minutes of engagement about concerns because basically all I heard was that we're having difficulties with homeless issues we're having difficulties with revenue issues we've been given hundreds and literally hundreds of millions of dollars and we're just as broke now maybe I'm ad-libbing a little bit here but that was it and in that shell we're just as broke now as we were before and it's been nice to be able to engage to find out a little bit more and the weeds as to what that was all about Chris you didn't have that opportunity to get across the board because I thought that was sort of the no I didn't intend that because I was here at the start of the meeting that night that's what I said it would have been nice if they could have scheduled that on another night so that most select boards I believe meet on Monday nights don't they typically yeah it would have been nice if that had been changed so that maybe some of the board members would have been there I certainly wanted to go but then I flipped the coin and said I'd rather be here instead but anyway I thought town meeting overall was good anything else on town meeting yeah, okay this morning the associate press posted a big article about how the rest of the nation can learn from Vermont's town meeting day and our impact on democracy huh what can they learn they went to Grandville and that's what they were reporting from I just wanted to say thank you publicly to Karen and others who helped with the behind the scenes logistics of chairs and set up and child care and making sure that there was lunch and just I know it's part of your work you do it and do it well so thank you welcome to school gets all the credit for setup we actually walked in Tuesday morning and the chairs and the stage were ready excuse me Monday at set up and one idea just for us to revisit last year is I had a text after I had gotten off the stage and everything I passed saying can you announce that there is child care and I know that we worked really intentionally to have that but everyone didn't so just thinking to next year I came across I think Wilmington Vermont just did a really nice one pager saying that if you're doing town meeting like this is town meeting of course we have our formal warning but a little more accessible around this is where it is child care is provided there's lunch after when that's finalized noting that a moderator would be a good person to be in touch with again like we're all aware of that information but just trying to make sure it's really clear something just to have out there so I think again in our work in progress of trying to make things more accessible that's just so many different next year for one pager I'd like to add one thing Yes, piggyback on that is I do want to thank our moderator this year I was able to speak with Rebecca on this weekend and just heard what went into moderating this event and the nerves that were involved for her and I thought she did an amazing job and allowed everybody to have fairly an ease of back and forth discussions that's not always easy when it is being monitored like that and I thought she did an amazing job just moving the pieces through This is an aside I thought the senior sent to do a great job with the meal I think sometimes I get almost as much from that talking with neighbors and such but I got a good idea on the evening news of town meeting they had something on East Montpelier and what they do in East Montpelier they do kind of a community meal everyone you either pay five dollars or you bring a dish that will serve eight people or more and I thought that was kind of a really good idea to potential bringing town people together you know I would say sometimes we get more done over breaking bread than anything else but I think there was some good discussions over town issues at the lunchtime meal it's maybe just something to think about maybe for next year Karen in terms of voting and flow and everything that worked well it's challenges it's a big meeting so there was a lot of voters there's over gosh what were the numbers 100 people that day 15 voter total and we were confined to that smaller space in the back of the gym because of town meeting so there were some challenges we had some ideas that we got around changing some of the configuration inside that voter area we had some criticisms about it being noisy there's not much I can do about that noisy in the back for voting while the meeting was going on which made it hard for people to hear but Bob Butler has mentioned that he might have some ideas about amplification things like that so we'll continue to work through some of those things but it was a very very very long day but all in all it went well there's always room for improvement Melissa this could go under a future agenda I'm just noting that at our meeting on 129 of this year we said we would create a policy for payment of special articles and so I'm just noting that post town meeting that can be added perhaps to our next agenda just that we formalize based on what's happened on town meeting what the terms are organizations to get that set written policy so that point Karen is commuting anything else on town meeting one of the considerations we had last year was whether we wanted to consider moving to an Australian ballot and have an informational meeting around the town meeting I think our consensus was that we were going to stick with town meeting through this year and I don't know if anyone wants to any further consideration of changing anything in 2025 I'll make a comment to it I have been hearing from a lot of folks that would like to be some folks would like to see motion to Australia would like to see us move to Australia ballot some folks are very steadfast in the class of town meeting I feel like it may or may not be a decision we ultimately leave up to the voters not to the select board because it does seem like a pretty 50-50 split from the folks that I've talked to it has to go to the voters it has to go to the voters around the town meeting it doesn't have to be town meeting day it can be a special television event could potentially put it on the ballot to get a vote on that I tried to do that two years ago and I think it was ruled that because the whole meeting was an Australian ballot we couldn't have one Australian ballot question even if it was advisory I asked to do that last year for that exact reason so if we can I would love to that year we were not able to well let's look into this what are our options for getting a better consensus on what the town's pleasure is in terms of maintaining the traditional town meeting versus moving to something more along the lines who does I guess two things I would propose is one you can see often re-coverage in the roundabout but as Vexbury is our neighbor and has made this transition recently I wonder if at some point we might want to just have a conversation with them even if informational just about their change in what that's been looking at this I will say including my multiple years on the board what's often been hard is that suddenly it's November and December and we're churning heavily into budget season with whatever else comes up and it feels at that point I think sometimes as a board member hard to say now we're having a big conversation and recognizing that the meeting might need to be in January to actually form our traditional March Town meeting so I would just know and summer was a desire to get input thinking about doing that earlier would be great I think my biggest challenge is I mean I love town meeting day as a tradition I do think it was really wonderful to have folks in the room it was a great setting for the award appreciated everyone being there I think per these questions of how to be more inclusive how to get folks to have that conversation in a more low stakes way I think is what's really been challenging I mean we had it on an advisory agenda I think last year maybe we had 15 folks way in Chris just one little comment there for me I'd hate to see traditional town meeting go away simply because of the connectivity of your neighbors and your friends and I think we had good dialogue there and it was entertaining at times certainly was and I'd hate to toss that out the window because going to an Australian ballot like Ducksbury has and some of these other towns just basically you know everybody still still votes perhaps but it's just you know we're divisive enough in this country and to just pull the plug on something like this like this it just to me brings people together as a community so that's it yeah Mike Chris's comment but I think more importantly town meeting as a day event gives us the option to discuss issues in full and potentially change things if you go based upon the town budget it's a up or down kind of you look at our school budget that's kind of what you know what happened the school budget went down there was no potential discussion and who knows what might have happened you know if there was a change so I think that's the biggest benefit you know as much as the interaction of people which I think is important and I always say everyone you know it's our civic responsibility you know if you to participate you know we vote for electors and I think that's an important thing but to discuss the issues and to be able to make changes to a budget I think is really important and I'll be meeting with a couple of the select board members over in Duxbury later this week so I can ask them to get some input and make this figure out a better timing to put this discussed do you want to put it in the parking lot to remind ourselves thank you perfect alright discussion on this and do introductions and process questions to introduce Ian to our talent officials well we used this time last week to talk about these these around every week these are the orders and so every Monday typically typically every Monday accounts payable and payable and we have a signature from a select board member we need one signature to mail the payments now I've learned that Ian's job is not really conducive to stopping by during business hours at least not this time of year Mike has been doing it for us religiously and we appreciate that unless it often does it at night after meeting but just Ian in case you you have Roger of course you have agendas so he has his own list of responsibilities but anyway these are important because while we don't hold up payable without your signature we do hold up payments without a signature so if there's a due date on an invoice and it's held up for a long period of time it makes sense to have to pay late charges things of that nature so if anybody wants to relieve Mike of his duties or let him continue to be the due person he has any questions about the process I will say that Mike after June 15th I'll be a lot more available for the next few weeks I'm fine I have rotary meeting it's between 7.30 to 8.30 and after rotary comes I usually you know I may have something going on a little bit might discuss something for half hour but I'm usually here by nine o'clock on Tuesday morning so it's not a big game maybe this summer you can get it you're welcome to do that it should learn a lot about the government by going through the orders listen I don't know if this is a technicality or required by law but in the past we had made a motion to the effect authorizing any one select board member to sign the orders on behalf of the board so I'm happy to make that motion for this ensuing year second that motion moved and seconded any further discussion during none all in favor say aye aye any opposed any abstentions alright that one can carries and in the past also the BLCT has had training programs online to cover what your responsibilities are as a select board member putting in lightning and daunting about everything that you're not allowed to do which is discuss anything with more than one select board member having to do with town business outside of these board meetings but it's interesting to know exactly what your responsibilities are and the town will pay for that as you understand it we can forward you those links and you can find a little time to take the course and I would definitely encourage you to take that to it it's kind of a really important it's a good comprehensive list and big of cities and towns it's a good job that's why I would definitely encourage you to do that I do have plans to actually head down to Lakemore this Saturday okay correct and not just for golf not quite two technical questions that are mostly for staff but I noticed that sometimes we are sent the orders just not obviously all the supporting documentation is that an easy thing to do I know it often is to do electronically I guess I would request if the men are able to staff in the board I feel like it's a nice practice just to always send them so it's funny you would ask me that tonight Alyssa because Beth literally said am I scanning these and I said no because she does her process you'll see her signature her initials in the corner and then she just scanned them and emailed them so if you wish to see them I guess I would say if there isn't undue duress on any involved as was said appreciate how all the line items add up in terms of data to purchase not that you can always tell without the documentation but if there's something glaring you can always do it back to the question yeah yeah and then just so you know I haven't gotten super far yet but I'm looking at an online system so there are systems where we can scan and upload online vendors can also email to an email address we greatly had uploaded and we have to add an accounting codes for that and you can set up your approval so certain invoices I have to approve about a certain dollar amount so you can code it so everything goes to me about that amount and the invoices can be rejected you can send it back to us with questions and we can answer they're not super expensive they're certainly not free so I'm just kind of working around at the stage trying to figure out if there's something that might work for a town our size in the early days of COVID that's the way we had to do things we had to do things all electronically the nice thing about the software now is vendors can email things directly to the system once the system sees an invoice a few times it automatically will code it for accounting purposes and it sort of recognizes it just recognizes the invoice format so it gets the vendor name and all those things pretty well so would that have all the backup information kind of like scan like receipts stuff like that so I'm just just starting to dig into it it's not going to happen overnight one other process issues that Vermont requires us to warn in agenda for eight hours in advance of any vision meeting so generally on Fridays I'll come in here and work with Tom and Karen to finalize the agenda and time to get it to the meeting first and third Mondays of the month unless we decide otherwise and one of the processes that we introduced this past year was to have as our last agenda item before adjournment is discussing what the agenda will be so it will have a chance to get some input and then in the reading two weeks there's anything you'd like to be on the agenda and generally I try to reach out to each of you individually during that time frame to get any other input and as we've already discussed with you individually not with all of you about serving as liaisons because one of the things that I realize was that nobody other than Tom and Karen can keep track of everything that's going on in town government and we can't do that you do better than anyone else but certainly from a volunteer standpoint I don't have time to do it I don't think anybody else and so we will each serve as a liaison to one or two committees to stay informed to keep them informed as to what's going on with the select board work with them so they can come on a closer basis and we've already met with the REC committee and so we've already sort of achieved that handoff for you to work with them on a closer basis than any of the rest of us will have Can I ask a question about that? So in terms of putting things on our agenda is that something typically that that committee would ask of me can we get this on our agenda and take it from the committee I suppose it could go both ways not just thinking is that usually an ask from the committee or is that simply You're right, it goes both ways generally I'd say the committee sort of have their mandates and are moving forward at a certain point they're going to have come up with a recommendation that they'll request a vote from the select board it really depends on the committee as to how that works out but I think generally speaking I would think that they would only really need to meet with the select board once a year if there's extraordinary circumstances we've got new zoning regs so we've been a little bit more involved with them this year than some other committees that's the planning commission great either way you can call me anytime and we can work that out alright let's move on to the next agenda item I don't know if we've got anything else to discuss here that's the approve a conflict of interest policy and the rules of procedure so in your packet we have a conflict of interest policy is anything different here than has been on the policy years past what's the names on the bottom what's the names on the bottom alright so if I can have a motion then we can let me know if there's a when we get a motion and see if there's any concerns here I would move to approve the board rules of procedure policy as written moved moved and seconded any discussion hearing none I would never say aye any post any abstentions the rules of procedure are approved and now the conflict of interest policy I move to approve the conflict of interest policy as written moved and seconded moved and seconded any discussion friendly member I would just say we're adopting the policy making it a policy any further discussion all in favor of adopting the policy as written say aye any post any abstentions the policy is adopted as written I will sign this copy and pass it around you all also approved under consent the board would supplement the powers and that has to be signed alright that's done as well next we have newspaper of record last year we got into quite the debate yes there was a library to date it was determined that we would need a physical paper unfortunately a weekly reader a library reader went out of publication and so our agreement was that the Times Argus would be our official newspaper of record and that we would also send any notices to the Waterbird Roundabout which is now published online I think the Times Argus is probably still a little bit similar to the motion I make a motion to approve the Times Argus newspaper as the account of Waterbury's paper of record and and then we also send the same notices to the library Roundabout good friendly event I'll second motion seconded any further discussion hearing none I'll go ahead and say aye any opposed any abstentions we have a newspaper of record next is the exploration of the appointed terms of limit I'm sorry if that was worded funny so there's a photocopy of the Town Report and I highlighted all the people whose terms are going to expire I'm frequently asked when that happens just says 2024 the guidance I was given from Carla was that we never take up appointments in March because you're too busy doing town meeting so you do it after town meeting but that leaves a pretty big window of time so I thought that if I could get forward to memorialize the expiration of these terms if it's what did we discuss Roger? April 30th with a new term to start May 1st so for example they expired on April 30th and they would give you essentially two meetings in the month of April to make those appointments you all remember last year was pretty intense there was a lot of interest in the committee which was great so that's what this item is for I make a motion to have the expiration of town appointed commissions end on the 30th of April and new terms commence on the 1st of May second okay moved and seconded any discussion? I was wondering if there was ones where it was tied to town meeting day elections but the exception of housing task force where we specify it and I don't think it would be a problem to have someone serve that bonus month at the end it makes sense to me oh does housing task force specifically state town meeting day? no I was wondering with the timing which made sense to me in terms of process having April to do appointments to be effective in May but I was wondering if there was folks whose election status in March would have a real term if I'm not re-elected or if we should add language around unless otherwise removed from office I think it's minimal I think it's more technicality that we need now that was my only hesitation any further discussion? hearing none I'll better say aye aye any opposed? any abstentions? we have new clear dates of term limits in May okay so I have a piggyback question now that you've made this motion is it shouldn't it be customary to advertise all vacancies even if they can see the individual whose expiring wants the seat back? this happened last year with the DRV so there's a number of vacancies on the DRV last year I just simply asked do you want to be re-appointed they answered that they did and they were re-appointed and never really went out so that's probably not the case this year but I would like that clarified should I be advertising all vacancies regardless of whether the individual wants to refill the seat okay I would say this might sound cold-blooded but if there is a more qualified candidate for someone for a seat that is going to be up for grabs a second time then I think all resumes should be considered yes long one for I think you could have if you have multiple people interested in a specific position that's great you know we've done that a number of times before we've asked people if they want to potentially serve in another kind of like committee who may not have you know as many representatives so I I don't necessarily think it's a given that someone has you know once their term ends their term kind of ends and they they could reapply like anyone else but I think I encourage as many people to apply as we're interested just a question we don't have any term limits on any of these committees they're cut off but yes there are term limits I just didn't get them this one is no they sunset at a certain point but there's nothing saying you can't serve more than 10 someone serves 10 terms yeah I don't know if you need to vote on this my sense is that the board thinks it's a good idea to advertise all the new vacancies and people choose to continue okay and my one note is just on the DRB in particular that board does have built in alternate positions in part because a quorum is so important to their work so often you know they don't have a quorum of the traditional board but an alternate steps in and I agree with our instruction regarding advertising all seats but we just note to the board I do think someone who's served as an alternate on that committee for many years does more and additional consideration than any other incumbent might but that one in particular has just that slightly different structure that vacancy that you see was recent just before the time report got published and the staff here just all agreed that appointments were coming very soon we were going to seek to fill that vacancy on the development at that time and I'm just noting not many of our other committees have like alternates so just that one's a little different that way that alternate structure seems to work very well for the DRB because especially people kind of get almost trained up and then when there is a vacancy they could go on the fly and do the work it does help but it doesn't preclude even though if you had an alternate if you had a new person that may have better qualifications you know we would consider that any further guidance? okay, all set should we fire away through all of those agenda items really quickly and we will be addressing appointments starting our next meeting on April 1st which will be discussed later in the agenda eclipse parking we have a request to close river road there is no event there it's a typical hockey weekend for them that they're concerned especially with overnight campers on Saturday and Sunday so the day of the eclipse they are perfectly fine we know them try to discuss this try to find ways to maybe have a soft close where we could work with staff and the ice center folks excuse me I can't hear you sorry we tried to find a way to maybe do a soft close but that's just challenging so John in the end felt like he simply wanted to make the request to have people close the road for those days just for the evenings we've had in the past campers just show up and camp down in your parking lot in the ice center parking lot okay what we're concerned about is there's going to be from what we've heard of a lot of people and I'm guessing most of the campgrounds and whatever are probably filled up and we have nothing going on Monday we're fine with people doing whatever they want in the parking lot watching whatever but we have things going on Saturday and Sunday and we start early in the morning and we don't want to arrive there in the morning and a bunch of people campers have set up camp overnight we're also visible from the highway so if there's people driving around looking for a place to park and then the other thing is seven days unbeknownst to us said oh sure come on the ice center's got plenty of room so well it would have been nice if they checked with us they made a mistake in their publication about how much parking we had available it was pretty quickly corrected by Caterina and I appreciate that but I don't know how many people read the final print so basically what we're really asking for is if we can close the room when the ice center staff leaves I think Friday night they're going to leave around 10 all we're asking is to put saw horses at Rodney's so that nobody can get in and then when they arrive in the morning around six or whatever saw horses out and if somebody shows up during the day we'll have to send somebody out and request we can't stay here can you manage the policing of that well we don't want to but if you guys have extra hall monitors later in we're looking for something to do what we kind of like to know is what's our backup plan I mean if somebody shows up and starts camping and we go over and say excuse me you can't stay here and they become uncooperative what's our we don't want to get into it with them so who do we call I imagine is that state trooper that you guys have there's like one guy in town right so would he be the call he'd be the call relatively certain the answer is going to be there's other priorities that's what we expect so I think the guidance is is try to politely request notify people that there's an ordinance about 10 parks and it says no camping and if they politely decline then you can make the call but that's probably as far as it can go understood and I appreciate if you allow us to close the road we'll deal with what comes in anyway and we're not looking for a fight we're looking for when we're busy parking lots are usually like 3 quarter strong and depending on where people are parking you can get is there a place where he could send people I think the state is not closing technically but I think the state conflicts is the best place but they couldn't do it overnight just a quick clarification question I certainly understand is concerned is that road and property along to the town of Waterford so are we going to close other streets and roads as well we've only had one request so far and we're requesting no no I understand no request anything up on the hill about Stowe Street in front of the school but so no I just wouldn't want to get into a precedent and then the next meeting somebody comes here and says we'd like to close down our roads as well no I understand but I think there's a particular situation I totally get it I realize you don't want to get into having to pick one road and this road and we're talking solvers so fire trucks got to get in Chris I couldn't quite hear Tom but did you suggest that signage help basically no camping parking but I don't know how people are desperate for a place to park we're not I mean I'm guessing it's going to be overcast and probably snow so don't say that hope for the best prepare for the worst I brought you all eclipse glasses the eclipse planner for the town you could give them a pair of glasses make sure that your eyes are safe no we don't plan on closing any other roads in town this has been the first one that's been brought up we have our public parks ideally open the day of the eclipse so that people have as much parking as the town owns as possible no other parks plan on being closed during the weekend and we have talked with our office complex to make sure to learn as much as we can about what parking would be available that day more and more private and public employers are deciding to not come to work what we have heard from the state is that they are recommending that people work remotely, work from home if they can do so and that will allow a lot of parking spaces at the state complex it's not guaranteed is the state okay with that? we have met with the state very regularly they are going to confirm that that's okay, but they gave us the information last week that they do they are requesting that everyone works from home if they can just one clarification the little river and the data center and little river campsite area those are still closed I believe they are still closed to camping the water very reservoir and little river are going to be open for viewing the day of the eclipse that is decided by the state parks parks department so the game will be open from my understanding, yes the pilgrim park still a no-go it's a private business they are not going to be advertising their parking just to clarify we have no problem nothing is going on the ring 5 o'clock so people want to park there that's okay we don't ask to close the road Sunday night because we don't care if there are people there we are not going to advertise it so we are asking basically close it around I think it's around 10 o'clock on Friday night open it at 6 in the morning close it Saturday night at about I think 6 or 7 and then open again at 6 or 7 in the morning on Sunday and then after that it's locked as long as they are not blocking the ring parking what about the parking lot by the trail path is that something you own and do you care to abuse it? which trail? the water the place where the mountain bikers yeah the water the parking area that's our land that's our land and officially there is no camping there only the husband so I guess we would abide by the same rules that it's closed I suppose we could tell people who are in the way you can go park there but they can't say you can go park there and then the next guy shows up we are not looking to get into a fight so I don't know what we are going to do any recommendations from the television? I think the saw horses are perfectly fine I think if there are conflicts along the way we can manage them do you think those saw horses should go in front of Rodney's as suggested or should we move to the past very hill parking well the problem with that would be once you get in there it's going to be difficult to turn around and some guy shows up with a 30 or 40 foot camper you know it's easier to keep them out than to turn around and get them to leave and as I understand it you are intending to post permanent camping, no overnight parking signs in the area around the ranking I am not technically allowed to post permanent signs without a permit they will be temporary signs but those are our parking signs I am just saying that eventually under the impression that you guys were going to try there was no camping as you count the ordinance and has anybody been in touch with WADA because as it was suggested a lot of those people do camp down there are mountain bikers traditionally and that's the main attraction if I haven't been right now you could park in that little parking lot at your own risk it's pretty beat up and I don't think the trails the bike trails are open they shouldn't be the barriers are just going to keep the honest people out I hate to say dishonest people just going to move them and drive in well maybe you just have to have some sort of say can you please move if we can suggest that they go behind the state complex they may be just as happy maybe right on the sign that's put out there say the additional parking behind the state office complex maybe have a map or just some directions to get there it's not, there's no overnight parking there either so I think we direct them to another location we're probably not helping ourselves out well could we the rink staff have a place to send them, other than just saying get out of here we don't care where you go where should we recommend we don't have any camping locations yeah I assume Farr's Field is not making any people on their fields what I understand from John Farr is that they don't intend opening their parking because the status of it, yeah but that could change if the weather changes but I won't speak for him what time do your employees leave Friday and Saturday? it depends on the schedule maybe an hour after the last group is off I think it was 10 o'clock these are approximate times around 10 o'clock Friday night and around 6 or after probably Saturday night we don't have a closing do I have a motion on the request to close River Road? I make a motion to close River Road to the ice center to prohibit eclipse parking do you want to specify? I could Friday night April 5th close River Road around 10 p.m. Saturday open the road by 6 a.m. close the road around 6 p.m. Sunday open the road by 7 a.m. no need to close the road on Sunday night the ice center there's nothing scheduled I have a second I will do a second for the discussion OK, I will do a second I will do a second I will do a second for the discussion OK, I will do a second While we're still on the topic, I will again ask for downtown employee parking, like exclusive for downtown employee parking on the day of the eclipse, because we're all going to be down there working, and there's a lot of people coming in from out of town who don't necessarily live in Waterbury, but they're working in Waterbury. They're not going to find a anywhere to park. That's going to cause our businesses to open later. Okay. What time of day are they going to find parking? All day? Yeah, most of us open at 10 or noon, or the employees get in around 10 or noon. Which parking lot would you like to request? It could even be a street. Probably the one... I have a thought, and I think the town also encourages employees to be remote. I think perhaps we consider closing the missed pull-on to everyone about town employees, and then we can do a space count on the remaining spaces. We can essentially give a local employee, a downtown employee, a dedicated space for the day of the eclipse. I don't have a lot of time ahead of that, maybe a couple dozen. But that's one option I think we can do. Because I think just like the schools, people would generally leave work at the worst time. It would be hard for a lot of businesses who serve food, cooks, wait staff, etc. It's awful difficult to do those jobs remotely. Yeah. Handles aren't long enough. I guess I really think this seems like a challenge. I worry very much about our ability to enforce any sort of lottery system, particularly on a day that's likely already taxing employees. We do have a little funky downtown that Laura Brett made way back when of where the downtown is. I don't want to make you all walk farther, but I feel like the lucky intel of being local is there. You know how to spread word among staff, but can we get a list of spaces? I just don't feel like a guarantee, just in terms of what that process and vetting might be of the capacity to do that. We've got 10,000 extra, call it for sake of argument, like 2,500 extra cars in town. There's 10,000 people, there's 2,500 extra cars if it's families. And the folks who are working, especially all the restaurants, are going to need places to park that are probably not in the privately unpaid lots that we all dislike anyway. And maybe we encourage parking on one of the side streets. Maybe it's not exactly in a lot, but it's not in the way either. Could I make a similar suggestion to Tom, but maybe 51 South Main? The municipal lot has already been advertised, which is a similar concern that John raised about the ICE center, that if we're switching too much of our public plan, we might create more problems for us. But we haven't advertised 51 South Main, and that could be a lot that at least employees could know about. I think if we're going to do it, we need to somehow... Somehow police had somehow got a list of names, names, plate numbers, that sort of thing. Employers hand out permits? Something like that, yeah. Gene would have worked that lot right across from Pilgrim Park. Would that be a good... Yeah, whatever's in the walking distance of downtown, right? Not as close as the one behind Propagde, but that's not that big of a parking lot anyway. Well, let's park my driveway. Yeah. Problem solved. Problem solved. All right. Well, I wasn't going to make that suggestion. I was going to say, well, what about Union Street or Randall Street? It's out of the way enough for employees to park. It's been discovered. At least it's my past. But no, I'm... If it becomes... Well, let's start with this permit idea for 51 South Main. And we have crises, I'm sure, myself and other residents of Randall Street would be willing to help out. We could probably have some extra spaces in the driveway. How many spaces are 50? Well, it's not that many. It depends on how Albert's doing. It's not that big of a parking lot. It'll accommodate some. Every so often, each and every block is a lot better. Exactly. It feels a week before taxes, right? Yeah. Karen, do you have a planning meeting this week for folks about Eclipse stuff in town? And when would that be and how might I attend? Yeah, so in addition to what we're working on as a town plan, we have had two community... Well, we've had one and we will have another community meeting this week to share out that plan. It's happening this Wednesday at 1 p.m. here in the steel room. You can also attend by Zoom and you can RSVP to me. Just to give a... You all got the sheet I provided to you, but we have been working to distribute glasses. We've been working with the area schools, area, the library here. You can get them in at the rec building. We will be putting up those temporary no parking and no camping signs in all of our public parks. Residents also have access to no parking signs, laminated no parking signs if they're concerned about their own parking spaces. They can request those from me. And then with public works, we'll have additional trash and recycling around town. We have ordered portable toilets that will be around those locations. I will be revisiting having them at the ice center because if the roads close, it doesn't really make sense to have five portable toilets at the ice center. So those will probably be redistributed elsewhere around town. Water very fire and ambulance are aware. And are prepared as best you can be for what the eclipse will bring. And then you all talked about this already, but there will be a half day for the schools in the area. So that's also an option for parking. There's a public... That will be updated. There will be one road closed on Eclipse weekend, but that's the plan for now. And then just a reminder that we will also be getting the word out about the disc golf course and the nature trails at Hope Davy are annually closed around this time. We don't want more traffic on them during the day of the eclipse. So those close signs will be even more clear than they already are. And we have some fun stuff going on. We'll have a world map for visitors coming into town to tell us where they're from. And then plenty of glasses. If you need glasses, please reach out. There was one suggestion of town meeting that the fire department wanted to organize a coin drop. Oh! You stopped doing that years ago for a reason. Were you threatened? No. You almost get run over. That is a threat, though. It's not the same thing you do. Not like the Timberstand. Not like the Timberstand. I always have to put my money in. When they get you coming and going, you know. You feel like you have to if you get dirty looks at the door. That was the move along gesture, yes. If amenable to the girl. We'll dance when I got that one. Alright, entertainment permit for the craft fair. Can I get your names? I'm Ashley. I'm Angela. Okay. And you're the one to apply for the permit for the craft fair. Okay. Can you just give us a bit of an overview of what you have planned? It's kind of like a rough plan right now until we can actually get down there to walk around the space. But we have a bunch of vendors because we host craft fairs across the brook pretty frequently. And we have a lot of vendors that have shown interest in coming down. We were actually approached by Caterina because her parents were a vendor at our December event. And she suggested that we do a bigger event and use one of Waterbury Recreation's spaces. And so we decided that that was a good idea and figured that DAC World would be a good place to make it worthwhile. And we have live music at our events at CrossFit Brook already now, just like small. We have a single artist. He comes in pretty much every time and he's great. But so that's why we figured we'd do it down there also. We have some food trucks that, well not trucks, just small trailers. But they've all shown interest in wanting to come too. And they know they have to get their own permits and do all of that themselves also. And how many people, clients do you expect? We have right now 78 that have shown interest. 78 vendors. Yes. Which as the time grows, that number probably will grow because people always wait until closer to the day to see if they're available. And we also have on reserve five, if we need more, um, portlets because we know that we need them down there also through Wind River. Yeah. What day is NQID this year? Who wants to say we got it? Yep. I'm on the Realising Waterbury website. I can't find out as fast. How many, not vendors, but how many people, spectators or buyers will not be expected? We're hoping to get as many as we can. We have quite a bit. At our December show, we had over 300 people just at CrossFit Brook. It was a pretty successful event. And we advertise a lot. So we're expecting to have a pretty significant number down there. Do I reason I asked if that road of parking is a little... Yeah. Yeah, we did. We didn't know that. I'm not sure about parking on the roads or parking elsewhere and walking it in, but that could be... I think you see that from the soft part of the baseball game. Yep. We know that the parade is going on that day, so we know that there's going to be a lot of foot traffic. So that doesn't seem to be a problem for people coming in and out because they already be out. The parade for NQID starts behind the complex. Right. And then it goes down... Yeah, the South Main Street up there to basically the hill. And then, but doesn't it come down and go... Where does it go after it goes over the hill? It goes down and goes around Union Street. Yeah. The majority of them go right down to the hill. Right. Which we accounted for. We put that also. We let them know that the road had to be cleared around 3 o'clock and nobody could be in the road because we were aware that they do go through there to turn around. Right. So what's the timing of your event again? I'm 11 to 6. 11. It does sell what could be a conflict, honestly, from where I'm sitting, but maybe I'm not seeing that. Thank you. And if we have 78 vendors down there and 300 people, and is the parade not going to run into problems as it comes in here? We don't expect to have any vendors in the roads at all, like in the actual traveled part of the road. So that would be completely cleared for the floods and everything else to go through. They would all be in that road? Yeah, on the field. So you're thinking all the spectators would be somewhere else? We would make sure. We've already put that in. We would figure out somebody to be down there to make sure nobody is on the road at all, coming in and out until after the parade is done. Just to eliminate any incidents happening. Because that's where the conflict would be at the beginning, the end of the parade. Right. Yeah, Melissa. Have you done outdoor events before? We have not yet, no. And do you envision a process for how would, if I applied you to be a vendor and all my paperwork's in order, how would I find out where I need to go? We are planning, I don't know if droning is allowed in one dairy, but her boyfriend has a drone. We were going to take an aerial picture. We were going to map out exactly where everything was going to be. And we have made it clear that people have to bring their own canopies. They have to bring weights. And they cannot leave their products overnight. Tables, fine, but they cannot leave anything else overnight. They have to reset those back up the next day. So folks would have assigned spaces? Yeah. Yeah. So all your previous events have been across the road? Right. Right in the cafeteria? Yeah. My wife said that. Yeah. Just a question, have you considered doing the event across a brook? We did, but with the amount of interest that people have, there is no way we can't fit them all there. And we asked about doing it outdoor and the janitors weren't sure how it would work because they've never done it down there. Went to solar panels and everything right there. They weren't sure if it was the best choice. Can you get a hand up? Yeah. I have a few concerns. You said everyone was going to be out of the through ways for floats and trucks and the parade to make their way down there after the parade. And then you have listed food trailers or food trucks that know they need to get their own permits. And so they would be driving onto the ball fields. We were thinking like at the end, like the last field going this way, like where the grassy parking area would put them there, not on the actual ball fields because we don't want people actually driving onto the fields. What grassy areas? I'm trying to. So like going out like by the cemetery, there's like a parking space is that people parked their cars for that last baseball field. So that area there where people already parked their vehicles. Grab a road from the parking lot over to Aniskey Street. Yeah. I was taking that bluff right by the road. So I would be very concerned about that. I know it sounds like a lot of already 78 vendors and then another 300 participants sounds like a lot of vehicles. And I guess I'd like to see more detailed plans to where all this Yeah, we can, we can figure out a parking plan. And also like I said, it's going to be the weekend that the parade is going on. So these people are going to be parked and be walking around. And they're not just attending our craft fair. They're attending other events that are going on that day. So it's not that they're just going to be driving in on the field. So we're concerned. Yeah. I wouldn't say a hundred percent. It's going to be great. At least half of it. The parade and all the other things. I'm considering all the people that are going to be on foot. The parade people are crafters. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope that on Aniskey Street where they're talking about parking, somebody fixes that big hole that is currently at that tree. It's on the list. Point taken. And mostly we can just scrape the gravel back into it. It's still there. It's just 50 feet away. Yeah. Yes, Ian. I'm just curious who, is it just it makes sense to bring in the organizers of that event to talk to them about a separate event. The organizers of the parade. That's the Rotary. Rotary. Yeah. I can kind of speak up part of the Rotary. Right. Perfect. So yeah, I guess the question I have is, you know, when the parade ends in that row, it kind of feels like there's a lot of mingling around and just makes sense to have that many people. It seems like a large amount of people at that moment at the parade's end. Most of the people the Rotary would like to see is that they more attend in that, not that row in Rusty Parker Park. That's where kind of the center of, you know, all the Rotary activity is. So I think there's more people who are going to go to the parade, might go have a beer or cider or something like that at Rusty Parker. There are events with kids and stuff like that. And that will go on until the fireworks. So people kind of, you know, will make a day of it. You know, but I don't think as many you'll see, you'll see probably some who are just going to say maybe the parade might be parking up toward that row. But I think that's probably a lesser amount. But there's probably some. It's just, it's difficult parking the day of the parade. And then I know that the fire department helps with organizing the start of the parade. I don't know if you're involved with the dissolution of the parade. We set it up. We organize the different sections. We have five musical groups all together because they're irritated with each other. And, you know, who do you put behind the horses? Yeah. So. The political kids. Yeah. So now we just set up the groups and get them out on the main street. And that was really a. I will say that most floats do go down here because there's kids and stuff that you're not going to drive anywhere very far. Right. They do the majority of it other than just like single vehicles do go down here. Yeah. And then they have to turn around. And a lot of them are travelers and you need a certain space to do that. I don't know. It sounds like there is some sort of conflict, at least in my mind, and then we need a little bit more clarification. Two events having sign up. It's just I think maybe you may want to work with maybe to end one of the rotary meetings and work with the rotary staff and maybe or even just have maybe meet with our park committee committee who does a lot of the stuff for, you know, and to ID and try to work out a plan that will work for both events. I think as Roger kind of said, I think you don't have the full package of information making decisions. Until we can get down there physically, we can't really 100% give an in-depth plan. Things are starting to try out. Cheryl, you have your head up. Just a question. What's the time overlap of the two events? Two hours, one hour. They're going from what time of the morning to 6? 11 to 6. 11 to 6. And the parade starts at 5? 3. 4? 3 or 4? It's kind of a gathering. I'll show up. Can they shorten the craft fair or is that not feasible to not have a little up in time? Just as a recommendation to look at how long they have the craft fair, either maybe start it earlier in the morning if you guys don't have time to be revealing and have it end by 4 o'clock and get people out of the field. Just as a recommendation, something to think about. I'm sure probably on behalf of the crafters, they probably want to see because they want to take advantage of the people here for the parade. And that's why you have to work at some sort of thing that's agreeable to both sides. We do have a whole other park. Which might be available. It might not hit the crowd. I think we may need a little bit more work to be done before we can issue this permit. That's my sense. Unless anyone wants to make a motion to approve. I have a public comment. It's going to take me a couple of minutes. So I'll wait until you guys are all set. Scott Culver. Scott Culver, yeah. So set up for each one of the board members. This is something that my wife and I had set up that we'd like to address in this particular craft show we'll call it. So for those of you who don't know of me, my name is Scott Culver. I've lived here my entire life, so 52 years and going. I worked 31 years in the agency of transportation. Did a pile of MUTCD. I'm a safety compliance officer for another company in Colchester, Vermont, and I have a vested interest in this because my wife owns a craft and business here in town. So the questionnaire I just needed you are some of the things that I'd like this select board to think real long and hard about how they're going to logistically put this together. So my first question is 100 vendors. 100 vendors is 100 cars, 100 trucks, 100 trailers. I do not believe that the capacity on Dacro Field could even hold the capacity of the vehicles that are supposed to be attended in this program. On top of that, we're to Customers Park. On top of that, parking on the grass, we were told last year because my wife and I did an annual event last year on the NQID, we sat in front of this group a year ago and asked for permission, we received it, we did 32 vendors, we had 11. We had 32 vendors, we had 12 volunteers, and I'll tell you right now, it was an undertaken, even with 32 vendors. We used the front field, we laid it out, cars were not allowed to park to the front because we had to have handicap accessible to be able to get people in and out. We had individuals monitoring the main road inside and out for access in egress, opening the gate in Winooski Street so we didn't do anything down there to be able to move around. And we cut this program off exactly one hour gone or two hours? One hour. One hour before the parade happened because we had vendors that will pack up and will leave. And the last thing we wanted was parade floats and kids and everything else moving through at the same time while the parade was going on. So parking on the grass was not allowed and the present condition of the recreational field down there right now after the winter flood, I would have a hard time believing you're going to get that back for them to be able to put that type of influx on that property. And on top of that, being a Waterbury community member for many years, if I remember correctly, we moved our Fourth of July festivities off of that row because of all the damage with roads and cars and everything else that happened down there. So you will put an event the same size as your festivities for the Fourth of July on there and you're going to accrue tens of thousands of dollars of damage that you're going to have to fix for a two-day event. So who will be directed in traffic? That's my next question. And then access and egress in the facility need to keep both lanes open for fire and ambulance. So there's another piece that's going to be hard to do because when my wife and I had done the event last year, we had people parking on the inset coming in off of Main Street and we had to have them move. We're talking 32 cars. 32 cars stayed in the parking lot. They did not go anywhere to the grass area. No damage. So five food trucks is the same thing scheduled. So now where do you put food trucks in that whole mix at the same time? Also on the flyer, there's bounce houses and dump tanks. These are carnival items. These are not craft oriented. In your NAICS number for a crafter when you have a... Do they have the flyer? They will when I have a pack and I'm set up for... And I just want to be respectful, Scott. Clearly you have so much expertise on this. I know you came to us for a parade as well and we called you back and you came going. I think what we've used is the model transportation place for subsequent parade. So I want to acknowledge your expertise. I want to also acknowledge that we have applicants here who came and presented. Yep. I hear that you have comments and critiques for us to consider. I think Roger said we are not comfortable ruling on this applicant tonight. No one has made a motion to approve this proposal. You've given us a set of considerations here and I think for tonight is there certain high levels? I just want to be mindful of that. We don't... No, no, I get it. And I understand that. So if there's... I have your sheet here. I'm taking notes. I'm listening. But would say I think, again, the board is not planning to take application. Action on it as presented tonight without getting... Thank you. I'll just finish with this. I won't let you meet it. So I feel this event is being perceived as an extension of the traditional event that we need. We'll need a lot of attention on Saturday night due to vehicles parking in the DACRO facility to get a seat for the fireworks. The entrance here will also not contribute to fireworks, which is a huge portion of the Rotary and QID's funds for putting on the fireworks show. After the festivities are all over, there will be a lot of confusion in regard to vehicles and people exiting the event and making their way home. So I will leave you with that. I have a packet for the select board. So if you want to take it, I'll at the end of your meeting, I'll hand it off to you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have a copy of the... Absolutely not. Okay. So, yeah. I want to hear what your colleague is. Yeah, that's fine. But legally, I was told that I had to legally get an LLC to legally host craft players for more than 25 vendors. I've checked, Donna, and it is only for retail. It is not to host craft events. I was made to do this. I have insurance for event coordinating. And I went and I did that. Okay. How much time do you think you're going to need to address the issues that are... Until... Just as long as we can get in there. That's it. Walking in? We can walk in. Yes, yeah. I think we're either walking in tomorrow. Okay. It's a pretty firm dump, from what I can tell. And they're reasonably firm this week. So yeah, I would say why don't you get in there. We can either put this on the agenda for the 1st of April or for the 15th of April. The 1st would be the best because we have to have liability forms then by May 28th. So we need to make sure we have time if it is approved for that to happen. Yes, but that would give you a lot of time to address the issues that were brought forward tonight. I might have a date for the second meeting. Just in terms of time. I mean, if they're ready, I know that meeting is already a very full agenda. Just as you have school board and a million other things. If it's workable. That's fine. I just want to... I know it's hard for you either day, so I don't want to... I'm trying to figure out how to balance us having a cohesive plan we can approve in a meeting. Yeah, I think maybe getting a full month. I do suggest that you also touch base with the rotary. I think your idea is an established... Dan McKibbin. Dan McKibbin. Yeah. So we'll put this on the agenda for the 15th of April. Seven o'clock? Or... Oh yeah, that's not wrong. That's when we get started. Yeah. We'll try to make it the earlier part of the meeting. All right. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Next on the agenda. We have a congressionally directed funding application for funding of a new school. Katowina. Hi again. So the last few years since 2020 our congressional delegation has announced funding that you can apply for that falls in a number of different buckets that has to fit issue areas. When I met with Tom we were considering... and they announced it with a very short window to apply for it. So this announcement came last week. Applications are due by April 8th. So in talking with Tom we were trying to think what do we have ready that could be in an application by April 8th and we thought about how we just had the pool study completed and that that would be a really primed project that we could apply for this funding. So Senator Sanders announced the funding again with the deadline of April 8th. I have an application ready to hit send that would... which focuses on a new pool facility in Waterbury. It... I guess that's where I'll leave it. I'll see what questions you have and I think that's the nature of this agenda. How much would we be asking for? I have the application asking for the full amount which is 4.5 million. I am not under the impression that we would get all of that money but it seems like when we have an opportunity like this in front of us we should ask for everything and get fraction if we can. And that's a new pool house too, correct? Yes. Probably a new pool house. And is there a municipal match for these grants? It depends on what bucket the funding comes from. For instance, like USDA Rural Facilities Funding requires a match and it's based on your town median income. Waterbury's is pretty high so has a high median income so therefore not a great match if any. But there are other buckets of money that either do have a match or don't have a match that maybe the senator's office could direct us towards which one it would fall into. So right now as the application stands it says we think that this project could fit into many of those buckets and we would request the senator's office guidance to determine where it would fall if chosen. Other questions? I'm not a pool guy but I'm trying to figure out what the pool is very complex and I know expensive but what's the difference between a 60-mil PVC a coated concrete a PVC coated stainless steel? We went into this in some detail I looked at every sizable in this pool in the state and then we went and looked at a bunch of other commercial pools that are outdoors. It's a concrete pool currently it has a fiberglass fiberglass or PVC? No fiberglass. When that was put on the pool decades ago it essentially failed immediately it didn't quite do your right. So all that gets scraped out. The walls are fine. If you look at page 6 of the report it refers to how much water we're losing. So the pool is a little over half a million gallons and between the 7th and 8th summer and the water we put into it we put more in the pool. We lower it for the winter and it stays low so it's all in the piping for the filtration system where the water loss is. That is a huge impact on just swimming ability because it's cold we're just filling all the time. Alec did a lot of work you found a few pools that have stainless steel liners that have been PVC on top they're quite a bit more expensive. He initially was not thinking that deeply about the 60 ml PVC and 60 ml is a couple of inches it's thick. But he's found other commercial pools in the area that have been in operation for decades. Large outdoor pools I think he found several campgrounds in the area. So he's decided that's a reasonable low cost solution low cost being relative to what we're at 4.5 million. What's the advantage? I see their prices with dome or without. I assume the dome is like what St. Albans has. We haven't dealt into that in any great detail but one of the questions I asked of him is do you need to engineer and design the pool differently if you were ever going to make it a year round dome? That's what I was thinking about. The answer is really no. It's minor. So you can retrofit a pool pretty easily from that perspective. Alyssa. So to clarify, our ask for tonight is just around approving this application. I just want to acknowledge like this is a big complicated study. I'm also not a pool expert. I was in 15 pieces of information. I don't know if it's true at all. I have not fully digested it. My question for Katerina is this to Senator Sanders Senator Welch or Bolch? This one's to Senator Sanders. Is there a specific reason you would pick one versus the other or would you sort of find the two? It was just the email we got first. Okay. I have a CVEDC newsletter that says both Welch and Sanders have one open until April 8th. I don't know if it's a different application if that's more work. I do know that Ambulance I think got in here more than Sanders and who does EFED have one? EFED got an E more from Senator Welch. So we're both one and one. So I guess there's no compelling reason to not I guess my perspective is one I really appreciate you all seeking grant funding just to name you said at that time meeting but like we got low rec funding for other recreation upgrades. So to me if we don't have another competing project there's truly no reason to not submit this. I don't know if we need letter of the class or sorry letter of the support or I don't know if those things can help for that but for me it's I don't see a lot of downside to making this ask. I was wondering about picking one versus the other but seeing as we've received from both in the news municipality even if not the town I would support applying to both because they did on that CAX report I saw it tonight they specifically mentioned pools. Really? Yeah that kind of that kind of hit my I don't know but I knew it was on tonight's agenda so it's definitely something worth looking into free money is always good. And him off. Yeah on memory here we used to have a dome over the tennis courts if any remembers and there was a heavy snowfall and the dome collapse so I'd be curious as to what the proposed dome would be made up and how structurally sounded would be for a heavy snowfall. So that's not really something we're proposing at this stage essentially to replace the pool. Part of it is we haven't done a market analysis about the dome so it's one thing to build it it's nothing to operate it in the winter you need to staff it you need to obviously heat it you need to put it up and take it down each year which is not something we would do something we contract out of that are pretty penny so we're not we're not there yet and that's one of the fundamental challenges if you're a year around if you're a year around you can do year round staff. So the first thing I tell you is we need a we need a you know a budget for a pool manager which we don't have. Okay yeah well I just you know it was everybody was so upset when we launched year round tennis so you didn't lose any tennis players did you? I would say that we did go to the St. Albans pooled the day they were putting the dome on it which was very neat to see and their dome is actually inflatable so it's a it's a really thick I don't even know what the material is but very thick inflatable material which which does help snow slope off of it so it's like a tennis course that's just like a big puff thing yeah Alyssa yeah that sorry yeah go ahead that's what the old one was it was inflatable it was but maybe they figured out something better it's also a pool three times bigger than ours yeah yeah there's this much bigger with surrounded by an area where there's essentially no other options there's no other towns that are there with inflatable pools Lake Champlain and St. Alvin's Bay is really not so so it's a different it's a different world from that perspective Alyssa my follow-up was that I was really enthusiastic to staff but not trying to meet this work do you think it makes sense to apply for wealth just to say that was an idea but if you think it's not compelling given that e-funds been funded recently I just wanted to withdraw that to say I'm supportive of Welch's approvals was something like $25 million an e-fund got almost 10% of that so I think it was pretty hefty yeah pretty hefty around there then I guess I will and then I guess my second question for us is like are we I assume we're going to reconsider this in more detail stop super meeting or do Tom or Ketterina do more direction from us tonight regarding alternatives generally I have an estimate from Weston and Samson which is an engineering from has a specialty in bowls of this size to engineer it to the big phase is around a quarter million dollars as part of that which is rolled into all this but as part of that process you would see really develop plans about exactly what we built Alex where it gave us meeting numbers that are solid enough to apply for the grant at the end the bid is the bid so I think the grant application should be Alex numbers if we assume the grant is awarded that's unlikely to happen before November even when it's awarded you're still you're still going to complete the engineering and put it to bid so you're probably the best scenario of construction in 2026 and then we have the other challenge of the gate arms the reservoir being repaired around that time and so we probably want to be careful about not having the reservoir or a public pool to swim in in the same summer so yeah there's a lot of moving parts a lot of timelines but I think we've got the opportunity in front of us and the grant would cover the engineering that quarter million dollars it's all part of it do I hear a motion? that's alright just a quick question if the grant gets approved and there's a match with fund we're going to have to dig that out of our butt somewhere if for some reason that can't be done are you if you get the grant are you completely committed to it or is there a case of money? yeah yeah if we can find the other match yeah thanks we did talk with Rebecca Ellis and she said that one of the benefits of these congressional earmarks is that they tend to have a very low match requirement compared to other federal funding certainly needs to be done any other comments? I have just one quick question it's my understanding that the pool would occupy the same footprint the new pool would occupy the same footprint as the current pool is there ever consideration to adjust that footprint? yes that's actually in how a desk can use work at some point I don't know if I ask the question or Kyrie asks the question or a public works or I ask the question but the idea came up do we do we demolish the pool we have just enough to put in some clean fill and is it then cheaper to build on the other side of Anderson field and move the ball field in essence or figure some different site plan and at first wash it seemed like well that might not be crazy given how expensive demo is we're not trucking all this material to wherever it's going but he ran the numbers and it's just not feasible to do that it's a few hundred grand extra for no tangible gain so in the end yeah we looked at it but just we didn't see it just any obvious gain to move in I hope Davey's spoken for at all the other town parks are just not suitable the high center is obviously in the flood plain yeah Anderson park is the only park not in a flood plain so if we were to build and one that does have a flood plain I think there's our additional permitting and requirements associated with that just not a brilliant idea yeah and that too so the pool would go right where the car was okay do I have a motion I look on this I was just going to say what exactly are we moving are we to compel the town management direction to apply for these grants is that what the motion would be I don't know if it's going to compel it's more like authorized submission of the grant we can't give you exact specifics in the dollar amounts we can give you the application once it's complete but I think it's authorized to grant application and concept to build a new pool replace the current and associated filter building and pool house I move to authorize that the town manager and direct director apply for senator sanders grant I believe is it what was the rest of that for the grant for the pool for the pool for the pool and associated buildings and associated buildings that's formal enough Add Anderson field for a ballpark total cost of approximately 4.5 million second accept the friendly amendment I accept the friendly amendment oh come on I was not writing I was first when I looked at the spirit Kate's motion had it we don't need it but for the record at the existing location at Anderson field per a budget of approximately 4.5 and seconded seconded any further discussion hearing none all of them say aye aye any opposed any abstentions thank you alright now we have armory update Tom do you have an update for our district just a brief update so the state has been doing internal work on the building the replacement sewer line and they don't need a permit to do this work the replacement sewer line there was a break some time ago about a decade ago no broadband exact year which was repaired obviously but they decided to go ahead and replace that they're doing a new electrical service putting in a spring force system late last week they had delivered the temporary walls I spoke to Commissioner Chris Winters last week about proposed use of facilities and we talked about the time lines and the DRB process the challenge I think we have and he has is that the homeless program is in a state of flux to put it mildly I believe his perspective his position is that given it's in a state of flux there might be a need for an emergency shelter there at some point my understanding is the hotels don't have necessarily a solution to be part of the program so hotels are not part of it overnight and then there's a challenge you've got to figure out the DRB does plan to hear the the permanent appeal in April their first meeting in April that's on the tentative agenda I don't believe that's finalized yet but that's on the tentative agenda the DRB has their own legal process part of what I did say to Chris is I don't think it's the great introduction to the community when you start by appealing the permit requirement so I would be tickled pink if they would simply withdraw that and apply for a permit but they they might have other ideas and other thinking than we do and then our council does but I think the long and short is there's still planning and having the building ready for April 1 and they still don't have any short-term plans to use it for anything other than temporary homeless shelter but it's still a bit of a complex and a long time long big thing and for Ian may not have heard this yet the DRB here is the appeal of the permit requirement they have 45 days to make a ruling they can do it quicker but that's their deadline which in theory brings us into mid-May if the DRB overrules his own administrator the state is free to operate as a homeless shelter that day the DRB does not overrule his own administrator the state can apply for a permit in which case the DRB has 60 days to hear the application or they can go to the environmental debate in the Vermont Superior Court we always just call it E-Port and that's its own process the state probably has some ability to do that faster than the average citizen who would do an appeal but it's still likely months and the DRB being a causally judicial body and having a great deal of independence has their own process and I don't I don't direct that process in any way it's driven by that and their access to counseling and we've not received a permit request not received a permit request so is that I think we remain in a total time waiting for equal third I'm relatively confused this evening on the local news they talked about the four sites that had just opened two of them had zero residents in there the other two are definitely well under 50 I'm just curious what's the need I know there's a homeless I have no question but people going to you know it's not like the old saying if they build it they will come yeah I mean I saw the same information they had planned for something like a temporary gap hotel program right hundreds of people would be would be out of the bed out of the bed for about a week so they they staff these shelters and I'm ready and they generally work here so right when I say it's in flux it's in flux and it would not shock me if the if the armory is not used as a homeless shelter yeah because the ones that they showed on the news report they would basically like rooms with a bunch of cots you know not even more dizzy like they were planning on doing here would it work for a craft there fabulous idea exactly they've also indicated to me they like the armory in general because it is flexible space that they can they can modify over time and if they've got short term needs it's a big open area other questions I have a concern that's the third time that Chris Winters has changed his tin on what this facility will be used for so now emergency is on the table I mean it was always short term short term emergency if you will you know that remains on the table I think the timing isn't certain and then whether we need it isn't certain I did read that the state not learning from our debates here pretty much did the same thing in Rutland and surprised everyone with a hundred-bed homeless shelter proposal well they overestimated that's what we're for now listen Chris I just wanted to say that sometimes things aren't always as they're perceived to be I'll throw this into the mix just to give you a clue as to what perhaps some of this is about maybe not so much this homelessness thing but yet again I believe that maybe some of it is as I had said at one prior select board meeting a year and a half or so ago Theresa Wood was sitting here and I said until the state legislative body starts to understand and recognize that some of these homeless people are homeless because they want to be not because they have to be we're never going to solve this problem today I ran into a gentleman up at the mobile station that I hadn't seen in 15 years probably at least 10 probably closer to 15 he's a developer slash real estate agent he is responsible for the buildings that are over here by the roundabout that are inside the gate the small ones yeah all those units the tiny houses what's that the tiny houses yeah and he was also responsible in fact I had the option first option to to buy the property where all the condo units are both across from the car wash years ago and I passed it up was not something I was interested in getting involved in but he was telling me he's got a big project and more still going on right now he said I'm 76 years old it's the last one I'm doing we were talking about retirement he said to me we got talking about the issue of the armory and some of the other political issues going on he said Chris you wouldn't believe that he said as part of this project that I'm doing some of it has to be I'll call it and for his words section 8 housing low incomes or section 8 a woman had approached him and applied wanted to apply for one of the applications for one of the units and as they were talking she said to him don't repeat this but I made $4,000 a month under the table and he said to her then why are you applying for section 8 and she said because it's free money needless to say he said she's not getting an application but that's some of the issues that I think we're dealing with in this state where people are probably circumventing the process to put themselves in a different position at taxpayer's expense not to say that you know when I see a gentleman up here by this light on Bank Hill young guy physically able to have a job and he's standing there with a sign asking for money with his pedal bike beside the guardrails at the light I'm thinking to myself I'm sure that this guy is probably homeless and I know you came you had a couple of comments at the last couple of meetings where you suggested that perhaps you were homeless too well I'm going to tell you the same thing I left home when I was 17 with a shirt on my back in my $700 car and that's all I had and I can't tell you how many nights I spent in that car sleeping up at the gravel pit which is now the water treatment plant or any other place that I could find and it took me years to kind of pull my head out and do the right thing and do what was necessary for myself and it was a struggle so you know I understand where some people are coming from it's that issue that everybody is faced with or at least most people are faced with when they leave home if you don't have the right guidance you don't have the money behind you it can be an absolute struggle I've got a couple right now that I know that are friends of mine that are losing their apartment after three years they simply don't have any place to go in fact his wife said to me Chris you know a lot of people were looking for a place somewhere in the Duxbury Waterbury area I've got to have my mother with me because we're taking care of her too so it's him and her and his mother and they've looked at different places I can't look at you Chris because Scott's right behind you and so it's not fair if I let no no no because I said Scott it's a long meeting you probably should wrap it up in fairness to Scott I'm saying Chris it's a long meeting why take it I just want to I understand where this is this is a difficult issue to navigate and it's a setting to a lot of people many reasons okay well thanks for sharing yes Scott so let me just chime on a little bit of the what are the right along with Chris I have a guy who spends 50 plus hours at the gas station watching the painting were you the guy that he was talking to? at the at the sign okay at the sign I also watch those same individuals take their dirty trench coat put it on they'll pay and handle for two hours and then come down and get in their brand new car and leave so we are never going to solve this right here okay well there's a screening process that's failed us there's a state process that's failed us and we're the one who's going to take a big bite out of that big turd sandwich until they figure it out so we all see it we all know it we all know at least six people that probably abuse the system I don't know what the answer is but as long as we in this room do diligence and make sure that we put the people in those correct situations I think we'll be doing better off that way so thank you good well thank you for those comments we don't have anything more people have noticed that we are a bit behind on the agenda so maybe we can move forward unless there's more to talk about and we'll continue to keep updated on this issue FEMA we'll request from first yes same that for me and same email information you've received before he's interested in pursuing the buyout and this is for the big property right here it's a bit of a challenge given there's some state issues given there's some other incomparances on the property but it's a I think it's a really candidate for a buyout working with trying to get through it so I'm hoping that the board is interested in considering this similar to the other ones questions and I believe that was from the prior so he's he's walked away from it this time the challenge here of all things is the bank something I've learned throughout this is that when banks start a foreclosure process is sometimes there's just a certain inertia there and they know the different branches the different firms don't talk to each other I think it's in the bank's interest to take the buyout in this case and I'm trying to and this council and FEMA is even trying to get that through but we'll see so the biggest concern I have is if the buyout is essentially approved along the way the bank forecloses to take ownership where the whole thing is shot and so FEMA needs town approval for this yes there's a signature in another page having spent most of my adult life in banking especially dealing with real estate matters banks don't want to take into their possession they'll only take it when it's absolutely necessary and there's no alternatives if there's a way to do something you know they're not going to just walk away from their money but if there's a way to do something that they get so much on the dollar that's reasonable it's better than what they may recoup they probably will consider taking that off so I think the buyout starts after that okay that was going to be my question the buyout would be equitable to meet their mortgage because it has to be a pretty much as opposed to $2,700 a month I just saw that it's about $230,000 owed on the property never mind bank fees but if there's no buyout I issued a substantial damage letter to this property so essentially what you can do is demo it and build about the floodplain is without my head probably 5 feet right that's not likely an easy project either no listen is the state still covering the 25% local share I also think there's something that their prioritizing properties is that something you've heard about I've heard about that they haven't told me what their process for prioritization is but they aren't certainly doing that that being said the other buyout once we submitted state has approved and sent to FEMA but I'm still told in general 6 to 9 months to get a dollar amount at which point the other can say yes or no I'll move to the buyout request for $33,000 second moved and seconded any further discussion bearing none I'll never say aye aye any post any extensions alright I'll sign grant excuse me so in the past I have an application that's been signed by the applicant and then you've all signed it this one is blank so I don't know if Tom is Clark doing his own we're working we're working on that okay okay so I'm signing you'll memorize that 1824 okay and next item is the agenda for the next week the assumption that this for we already know that the quarter for Rocky service yeah well we don't we can move those just to remember I can't remember the timelines on them all though Gravel Grinder and Circus Circus are probably earlier in the year I think Leap Beaker braces in the fall and $100 and we did them all like this last year they were all yeah yeah I know Gravel Grinder a single day month oh okay so it's a May okay that could very well be the first yeah that will be the first one and Circus Grinder this is in July August mm-hmm mm-hmm so I guess putting the Gravel Grinder on you saw them for them but and then Scott just stepped out with you and his parade as part of the two that I haven't heard from you well about it the signature pages you can just read do you know the Scott's plan to do a little Leap parade I would assume yes okay but you don't have to wait so many but it's me and Drone any other suggestions yes Mike doesn't necessarily have to go on to this meeting but I had a couple of people within the last week or two approach me about handicapped parking within the village I know we have you know handicapped parking you know at offices here there are some others in other places but right in the core downtown where people are going to shop and you know transact businesses there you know and I thought that you don't think about it but I said I'm surprised that we don't have like at least one designated spot in the downtown area if not a couple well the pay for it parking lot there too right I understand that but well me would they have to make this my understanding anyone who has a handicapped doesn't pay for parking at all I know like if you go to Montpelier you could go to any of the meters and you don't have to put money in the meters you know if you have either your handicapped cabs on your plate or you have your placard let me talk to Bill Woodruff and review it I don't know off hand where all the handicapped spaces are but I know there's you know in the downtown there's code related to that I'm sure we follow it but if it's another space we should test new handicapped but you know how this is right in the core you know like Bank Hill I think that's a reasonable request you know you know someone who's handicapped you know even if you go back by pro pig that's a little bit of a walk for someone you know we do a whole parking ordinance but I like to fairly easily out of the parking ordinance I think it's a lot bigger the town manager said he'd already look into it maybe he could get back to us I think we can do that first no great thank you can we get an update on next meeting on the rental registry I got part of maybe a charter update if it's not at all I got it right here I didn't know where to add lines or if I should so I stopped so Tom did the witness can I think this is fine because you don't feel it any other suggestions for the application agenda Roger had requested payment of special articles policy for what time to help draft it for our approval and then you can we can we do that when I'm here oh yeah sorry I forgot oh please yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep note there is once the PC advances the bylaws to you they're considered an effect. By understanding it's when they're advancing to get rid of PC. No, we can ask for substantive changes and then they go back to them. This is why I've run to go to the hearing. Yeah, it's a process. So don't forget all your board appointments are in that mix. School board recommendations can go for it. Do you want to just hit all of them? Scott, are you going to ask the board about your parade? I was going to actually approach you in February but I knew you had time. We did they and all the other appointments and stuff happened and so I just now. So I left it away. Okay, but I can block you in. I'm basically going to turn around and I'm going to present the same plan that we used last year because I thought it was absolutely perfect. So we have exactly 112 players signed up already, which is 42 over last year at this time. I'm anticipating somewhere in April probably another 30 or 40. So we're going to look at 160, 180, which is just unreal. So I want to follow the same identical diagram as I presented to you last year. I want to I'm going to stay away from that day Saturday, which is the 4th of May. And I want to I want to present something to you for the 11th of May. That would be the day that I'd like to hop in and do the parade. It'd be the same half mile route, same direction. I will have the next transport again who's going to provide us backers. I've already got 14 volunteers for traffic control. I'll speak with Celia in the town in regards to cones and flags. I'm providing the best. Just a half mile run down onto Park Earl. Okay, we'll put you on an agenda. Yeah. I want you to ask her if she could solve it again. Sounds like he's so detailed. If you could help us improve your plan. You need to be prepared to come in on the 1st of April. What's that? 1st of April for a year. Can we get your application? You can have my application tomorrow if you'd like. Sir. How are you? Any time this week? Awesome. Alright. You won't see him the 8th of the 13th. We'll take it and inform him. Okay. You guys are going to be here for a clip. I'm going to be with my grandson for his birthday and visiting. Perfect. Alright. That sounds good. Thank you. Appreciate everything you do. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Anything else to talk about? I'm sorry. The board recommendations when we have hardwood and RV is Karen teaching now. Has a date advertising all the other frequencies. Whoever applies by this meeting, have this meeting. And that subsequent, that subsequent. Well, I... To do the Board of Comments in my opinion by April 1st, it might be a slightly affirmative call. Yeah. Yeah. And I would... My preference would be to do them all at the same time. Yeah. So with that in mind I guess I'd rather do those phone with basically. But that's a... But that's, that's crash into the bylaws and the animal ordinance. I don't think the payment for special articles policy is terribly complicated. Yeah, definitely. But that's, that's probably a full agenda right there. Do you have people volunteering for the school board? You know what, I didn't look today, Mike. I should have, I did not look today, but there's one that I know of that's in there. So there's a shared doc that was created by the superintendent and I can look at that shared doc. And when I last looked at it. We only have one who might need some time to get some more interest. Well, they're gonna want you to a point one. That's all you have. And so we can continue that. Oh, just a point one? I think so. I mean, given the situation. Even though we have four slots? I mean, I didn't specifically ask that question, but given the circumstances, you have two vacancies that I think they'll ask you to meet and consider the one applicant, if that's all they have. Okay, I don't understand. Cause they've got to put together a budget and do either the remote and. You have to keep on marching on that. I don't, I don't believe they're gonna ask you to wait. No, I think they're gonna ask you to take consideration of that. And, you know, we don't know how many more candidates we're gonna get. And it can take some time. So I'd be interested in getting any early requests done on the first just to fill out what we can. Cause I don't think this is gonna be a particularly long, let's see. Controversy, but all of these events have been run in the past. I don't think there'll be as much controversy as we faced earlier this evening. So I think the more the merrier on the first so that we can take some more time with the candidates on the 15th. We also could consider on the 15th starting earlier. We have the hearing. I don't know. We'll all see. What folks available it has. Okay. Anything else for the agenda on the first? Let's move on to the, do I have a motion to enter the executive session? I got it. Go, go, you got it. It's a, is this a contract or the other one? It is contracts. Hang on. There's two. It is pending a probable civil location. It is attorney fine privilege and it is real estate. Okay. I need to find it. You have to do that. Yeah. One first. The motion of. Okay. I move. I said this was a process thing. I totally missed it. But we did process for sure. So how would I start the motion? You would have to move that. Specifically. You would have to move that. Premature. Okay. Premature. And then I have to hit all of these? And then there would be, so that motion would have to go. And then there'd be a motion to go to the executive session for those reasons. Okay. It's a bit clunky to say the least. So I move that premature general public knowledge would clearly place the public body or a person involved in a substantial disadvantage. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. And then you'd make a motion to go to the executive session. I move to enter executive session for contracts, pending public. Probable or pending civil litigation. Probable or pending civil litigation. The attorney claim for a mention of real estate. But I promise you will not be here for an hour. What was the last one? Real estate. Real estate. And if the planning commission is done, we can head that way. Yeah, I saw the leave. Okay. Do I have a second? Seconded. Moved and seconded. All the papers are aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstentions? All right. Moved and seconded. Thank you all.