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Welcome to the vast wasteland Welcome home I'm your host Mark Schmidbar along with Wilbur Neal and Marty Wiley and we're here to talk about 60s and 70s television Well, we just haven't seemed to tape the show for about two months You've been seeing episodes, but you know, we tape months in advance in television biz and we're on hiatus That's the word while they were putting new equipment in the station. So This a few notes actually a lot of notes for we for we go on No, as normal just want to tell you we're on as usual Tuesdays at 6 Wednesdays at 10 and Thursdays at 3 p.m. Here on a CTV cable 21 and If you wanted to write to us for some reason or who knows we're at box 15 1411 Columbus, Ohio 4 3 2 1 5 and Let's see some other notes Gee what we're gonna talk about Well, the big news, of course, and you'll be seeing it on a CTV is more than you want to yeah Yeah, more than likely is we were bestowed the wonderful Best series on a CTV. Let's have fun. Yeah yes, yes, and We're just devoting ourselves to bringing more and more of this silly programming to you after that wonderful award That's right. What's going on? What's going on? And we want to okay And also you may be wondering if you've been watching in your regular watcher the two or three regular viewers of the show We'll notice that At the last few shows I've been saying and next week on Bass Wasteland and it hasn't been that show. Well, Well see what happened was There was a technical screw-up during the the big hiatus periods and they were showing them in the wrong order But now we're back on track darn it. Yeah, that hiatus stuff is painful, too So Anyways tonight on Bass Wasteland is another of our exciting versus shows Tonight it's the Adams family versus the Munsters What was the big Adams family movie that by the time you're viewing this will either be out or have been out for a little while so and So it's certainly a point of contention right now, but Adams versus the Munsters, which one we want to talk about first or just either both or either What do you want to talk about Robert? Well by golly? Let's I Guess we'll start off with the Munsters since they at the time that they were on I guess I felt they were my favorites because they had more of your Traditional monster roles in them although silly as they were they were more traditional monster roles your your Herman Munster the Frankenstein monster Role of the thing your your your Lily Munster the Vampire a kind of role the Eddie Munster the little werewolf guy Marilyn who was I guess your average damsel in distress who just kind of didn't fit in at all, but yeah there she was and Grandpa Munster the the toothless Dracula Mad scientist yeah, he was kind of all that wrapped into one although they they did a few movies where Dracula was kind of the mad scientist Thing where they couldn't fight they had to they had to have a mad scientist in there But they had Dracula in there already they didn't want to have too many people So they may Dracula mad scientist and that kind of carried over to the Munsters and actually Grandpa built Herman for Lily Yeah Is that true? Yeah. Well by golly. Well golly. How are you there in the books? Well, that's what I always thought. I can't read Take a look at that. Well first. I did want to say was that I've heard some people when they were talking about the two shows say oh well Munsters is just a clone of Adams family and or vice versa Henry and they said that one was just a cheap knock off the other not really because they they Premiered within six days of each other both in 1964 and December 18th for Adams family in September 24th for the Munsters So they were not knockoffs of each other But it was just that that peculiar thing that used to happen in television kind of similar to Captain nice and mr. Terrific two shows hit almost exactly the same concept hitting almost exactly the same time going out there almost exactly the same time Can you say corporate? Well, this is television everyone's you know honest and Gentleman television. Yeah, welcome to the real world mark They are saying that Herman was was built by dr. Frankenstein. So well there we are. Is that what they say? I was always under the impression that grandpa put him together. Well grandpa kind of Grandpa kept him going The little bolts off the fingers Well, I always thought Adams family was better I have to admit that and of course is a kid and I understand The thing about it as I got older, it's like it's like Okay, the Batman Green Hornet thing when I was a kid Batman was just my favorite that Green Hornet is Just far better and so it's it's the same kind of thing It's the with age you get Sophisticated and you can understand the sophistication of the shows and you get away from the gimmicky kind of thing You go more towards The better show thank you dr. Neal We shall discuss the the the Adams family Well and the thing was you you had both of them were kind of takeoffs on sitcoms really Yes But one was the well actually both were basically the family the family type sitcom where most of the action takes place inside the Except they said well these monster movies and the are really doing pretty well right now all the kind of Monster slash bikini type movies Where it seemed to be big there in the in the 60s and they said, you know, we could we can make some big bucks off of this That's here for oh, what's his name? Mr. King of the movies whose name just escapes me Gorman yeah, he was he was the he was the master of those things It was all because of him that those things was went on like that right great bikini movies in all and monster movies, too So well, let's see we had to enjoy the characters on the Adams family more they Gomez was one father one TV father that You never really wondered what he did for a living Well, he was a success he was a successful businessman you looked at it and and he was making big enough He had to for keeping up the house and and buying all the exotic stuff they bought it Yeah, and they went through electric trains like nobody See my my concept and they never really explained this was that that Gomez was a successful Wall Street businessman and he went nuts at one point Well possibly because of his it seems like his family line was pretty much predisposed toward that Or what for whatever reason and the board of directors for whatever company he was running said well He's still making money for us. So we'll just let him come in and keep making decisions I mean does something too crazy. We'll stop them and apparently they don't Just keeps clicking along Gomez a wealthy lawyer with bizarre taste an insane leer and a double-breasted gangster suit It's the gangster suit thing. It was a lovely pinstripe suit. I always enjoyed that The cigar and a lawyer though Margaret Hamilton was actually part of the Adams family As who Mrs. Crump. Oh, that's right. Oh feel you and Morticia Crump's mother. Oh, that's right That's remember from crump from from they're close together. They're automatic pique names. Okay Because wasn't he actually supposed to marry Ophelia, right? That was but he fell in love with Morticia Exactly. They had that in the lovely flashback up. Yes. Yeah, one of my favorite She could pull those flowers out her head I guess that is something to to attract you to a woman Pulling the flowers out of the head Well, you look at Carolyn Adams Carolyn Jones Jones like Carolyn and Carolyn Jones on the show they said about the fact that When you the dress she wore that they pretty much had to had to pour her into that into that thing and that They had to get her out of it immediately because it caught off a heck of a lot of circulation And she based in fact there was one episode or I think was it the movie or something or the TV reunion or something where she had to go up the stairs and it was like they had to redesign the dress because Because she I mean she could basically creep around that was about it She could barely move and it had that lovely of that lovely octopus motif at the bottom to that Whenever she moved it was like it was like a little octopus going across the floor Oh, yeah, well Lily's was more the the vampire the vampire a shroud kind of thing But I did like Lily's little necklace that she always did a little bat. That was nice Yes, it's very nice And what was the the monsters had a pet Under the steps lead spot spot It's dragging right yeah the stairs and the Adams family of course had well They had a patch for a patch for the yeah, the plant No, it wasn't a Venus flytrap because it sure didn't look like no it was there was a variation on it It was just enormous like eight beats all your Your typical basic man-eating kind of plant right aquarium Piranhas probably I believe they were They sure attack That's right, and there were several of them apparently or just one big one And then they on the head of the rug the bear rug And thing Pet household servant Nicknack, what? Well, it was just their handy For those who don't know it of course most of the time was the hand of Ted Cassidy Also played lurch of course in fact although there were some scenes and I can't I'm trying to remember who they said did it when When lurch and thing had to be in the same scene there was some other person who has assigned the role of thing I know it's in one of these books, but who knows if we'd ever be able to find I particularly like the one where he became the big rock star And he couldn't stand all the pressure of being a rock star Let's see Thing that this embodied hand was usually played by Ted Cassidy lurch when lurch had to be on camera at the same time It's thing associate producer Jack Voguelyn lend his hand In my hand And of course as cousin it Henry Silva, is it Silva wasn't Henry Silva? Well of course also played tweaky That's Felix feel it feel it feel it feel it feel it. What's your name? Inside joke you'll if you watch the award show you'll get the joke Anyways Cuz and it was my favorite cuz when I was little and my hair was long I could brush it all down over my face My lovely little bowler derby We're all just kind of lost on me the closest I could ever get to any of them was probably Eddie Munster, right? Pugsley Pugsley what a name I don't even think Pugsley wanted to be Can weather wax I guess it would have been cooler to play Eddie Munster than to play Now I was trying to find out there was only one Eddie Munster right only one person played that part. Yes, it was only a butch back. Okay, okay Of course with Patrick's gone on to a life of crime. I believe Like all child starts We're gonna special show on child stars who did not go into a life of crime Oh My gosh, well and and one of these double roles again Beverly Owen and then Pat Priest played Marilyn Munster Yes, they just decided that well, what is what happened? What why did Beverly Owen decide she decided she needed to lose leave the show? That's a good question You want to go back to the legitimate theater pity poor Marilyn because she was so homely and they just knew she would be an old man That's right. They would never find her a guy and oh pity pity pity pity Yeah, I don't think I could stay there for more to season or so. Yeah Well, let's see Oh, what I really enjoyed on really over the The the Adams family over the monsters was just this the bizarre things were happening because the monsters were trying desperately to be You know we're trying to be trying to fit in You know Ozzie Harriet, you know, it was Ozzie and Harriet It was just like, you know, we want to be the average American family and the Adams are like that now They looked they the month the Adams family always felt they look they look more normal But yet they were more bizarre than the monsters right because the monsters just tried their hardest to fit in except for grandpa Grandpa didn't care And then we haven't we have not mentioned Uncle Fester. Oh, yeah Jackie Cougan Gomez uncle Grandma mama was Morticia's grandma mom, right Instead of sending into an old folks home that kept me in the family Which was very nice because let's face it what what old folks on would have these people That'd be scary uncle Fester lighting up light bulbs Yeah, I think that was a big thing for I thought of course, well, what was I five or six when the show came out? Amazing amazing as the man was a genius. Oh, yeah, I thought it was Wondered why I couldn't do that Well, let's see looks like we're being given the signal to not get out of here But to end the segment because we have a surprise second segment on the show tonight Things to come maybe so Again, we just want to say real quick on Tuesdays of six Wednesdays of ten Thursdays of three and We'll see you after this message or After this blank screen you're about to see here it comes Good morning and welcome to meet the press. I'm Irving alert our Levine. No, no, no No, it's a special segment here on vast wasteland You know just want to tell you before we jump into this that next episode We're gonna have a special tribute to Gene Roddenberry Everybody's been asking for a Star Trek episode and of course not only is it Star Trek's 25th anniversary but it's the monkey's 25th anniversary and We have our special guest here Chris Osborne who is like monkey's fan number one and And Chris let's talk about the big event that's going on. Why don't you tell us about it? Okay, we're doing a big monkey's festival at crazy mom. It's nightclub on campus on high street there We're gonna be playing their records the dance to monkey records all night Starts 7 p.m. Go still maybe midnight maybe later if we get a big enough crowd. Hopefully it'll be the night before Thanksgiving 27 we'll also have collectibles like you see here and we'll also have a video shown their movie head and Great now for for those of you watching at home This may actually be airing after that event. We tried to get them on as quickly as possible But if you missed it, then I'm sure I'm sure I'll be doing it again. So just be Be watching out for it, but sure be sure to go down if this is you're actually seeing this before the event, but You gotta just a ton of monkey stuff here and let's let's take a look at it. Yeah, okay well we got the new monkey seedy box set that just came out and It just came out recently It has some unreleased tunes on there a lot has all their big hits in it as well It has some stuff that's never been released before Newest stuff you can get from since they broke up again, unfortunately Percival's pet pig porky. Yeah Peter Torque there and We got the movie poster from head The monkey's cult psychedelic film from 68 that Jack Nicholson produced That's right. That's right. Yeah, when nobody knew who he was right. Yeah Yeah, well, he's in the movie a little bit too if you watch it He's there in the behind-the-scenes the whole movie is a behind-the-scenes type movie. Anyway, it's a weird flick That's right. Yeah, I'll tell you monkey bubblegum cards Right here I mean these guys have all kinds of collectibles that you see this poster you'll see what I mean and They got more stuff than I could ever have Wish I had it all that's surprising. Yeah There's more monkey fan clubs than any than any other The monkeys have more fan clubs than any almost anybody else they had that's that's documented They have a lot of fan clubs all over the world. So Speaking of thing of this right here, you know, it's not being shown anywhere now the last was shown a Nickelodeon and MTV that's They're one of the official fan club kids from the 60s right there Tom out fan club Yeah, their biggest fan club is located in New Jersey. I'm in it. It's a real good club called monkey business fan zing That you know everything that's going on with them individually. They said since they're not together again The book that Davey Jones wrote about the his life story called they made a monkey out of me Teen idol of the monkeys want all the girls like the best All the girls like to turn it turn it over and you get to see what he looks like now Yeah, then and now that was then this is now like their last hit record and some post souvenir books from their concert from their reunion show and One from Japan because the monkeys have fans all over the world and a comic book And one from when Davey Jones and Mickey Jones tour with their premier songwriters Tommy voice and Bobby Hart Who wrote some of the monkeys best tune including last year in the Clarksville and hey, we're the monkeys They're really great. And if you get this in there, it's a big poster of all five every kind of monkey memory You could ever possibly we can get that Now a lot of people When you mention the monkeys they say, oh, well, it's it's just derivative of the Beatles But really it isn't right. Yeah, I've heard that a thousand times in the night The greatest defense is of course that John Lennon was a big monkey fan He realized what they were a comedy group obviously they were influenced by them from a hard day's night But then they went their own way And then they carved their own niche and John Lennon was a big fan They called him the greatest comedy group since the Marx Brothers and you can't get a better compliment than that And the rest of the Beatles were all always said nice things about him, too So can't get any better than that or Thomas Starczak Leonard Nimoy was once said that back in the 60s His two favorite groups was the Beatles and the monkey so I used that as a great defense to say Well, Leonard Nimoy liked him. He's Mr. Spock, so it must be logical to like the monkey, right? Well, that's the unique story about them That's that's why I hope they make a movie of them someday because they were thinking of doing that from Davey's book Make a movie of it maybe someday because they were picked by TV producers to be a TV show they were never supposed to be a real group They were supposed to two of them were musicians though Peter Torkin Mike Nez were musicians from the start and Peter's actually the best musician of all Even Mike says that so he could play anything. He's a real versatile, but The other two were more actors Davey and Mickey and good singers to the main singer But they were just picked us by two producers to be a you know picked for a TV show And the success of the show made them so popular that they became a real group in every sense of the word concerts and Hit records and now everything. Yes. No now for what I for what I've heard that Mickey originally came in Trying out to be one of the guitarists in the group, but now I don't know if this is true I just want to hurt but they said they said right they said that apparently the producers that thought well He looks like a drummer So they put him in the the drumming position. That's I mean, that's what I that's what I've heard. Is that true? Is there any Validity to that or yeah, I don't know. I know that I heard that in his audition. He's saying Johnny be good This is about as much as I can remember. I don't didn't hear that he tried out for the be the guitar player or anything Right There's there's lots of rumors as to who tried out for the monkeys Manson the rumor is dead, but in reality, he didn't that's a definite false David He was in jail when they had the audition in 65 for some petty crime. I don't know couldn't remember what it is But that's definitely false The only one that came the closest with Steven stills and that would have been of course a lot better than Manson I think Anyway, not comedically speaking right Steven still had the musical ability, but not the comedic quality Which of course was real important in the monkeys case. I'm saying that Charles Manson did have the comedic Maybe in a horror movie Maybe in some gory horror movie, maybe Unfortunately, well, so what are the so what exactly are they doing now? I mean, okay Yeah, they were of course together up until 89 They did a lot of re you know, they did reunion tour. They were here in Columbus twice Individually now the Mickey's been doing tour on his own with a bunch of one-hit artists tiny Tim is one of them He's not really doing that great. Obviously, they're not that great by them They don't do that great by themselves Mickey broke the group up So I'm a little bit irritated at him right now He's trying to make it solo and they're not doing too good Davey Jones is doing solo too and he's supposed to name it supposed to be in Circleville But that's been postponed for like a ticket sale So they're definitely better together Mike might do a tour next year on his own Which he has done in years and years and put out a new record and And Peter is semi-retired, but he's supposed to put out a new solo album They say so Mike said if the monkeys had got back together in the 90s instead of an 86 They would have No, he would have been with them So maybe someday they'll get together again all four of them. We all have our whole Maybe and maybe in our 30th anniversary five years from now or if they get in the hall of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Which we all got a friend who's cross cuz I they deserve to be in there I think well, we we'd like to talk longer, but we really gotta wrap it up. Believe it or not Boom we're out of here next time on vast wasteland tribute to Jean Roddenberry And I thank you Chris for being here and for all of us here at vast wasteland. We'll see you next time