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We discounted the price Tremendously so you can get both for $59.99 only this month So if you're interested head over to maps october.com all right here comes the show So I was on his show while he interviewed me yesterday I don't know if it hasn't aired yet, but I was on Ben's it's always good conversation with him But you know, he's asking me a lot of questions because you know, you guys know Ben, right? He's super into Optimizing and the most effective and what's the best did he do? Did he do what I think he did because this is what he's notorious for and he did he did this the very first time We ever met and he always does this he always likes to ask a question that He knows the answer to and he's really just testing us to see how smart we are He's like a springboard. Yes. No, you know what boards this question actually actually know to be honest He actually sent me like three days before the interview a list of things he wanted to talk about really. Yeah, which which I'll tell you what I've been on a million podcasts. You don't need to do that. I don't care bring up whatever That's not exaggeration at all. Yeah, say what that's yeah I mean at this point probably feels like better about that. I'm really bad for doing that probably closer to a million of this It's probably be closer to 50 to 100 something like that. Oh, no, you're over that Yeah, so I don't you don't need to give me no Let's just ask me questions answer them and if I don't know the answer I'll say I don't care. I don't know the answer But he sent me a list so now he didn't do that but he did do that the first time We met him. He actually did it to you because you were the jack guy, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's like so Adam What do you think of breakdowns arms for me? Yeah Androgen receptor modulator Sal Do you know I like I would do the solo pot. You know how terrified I was to do a solo podcast with that guy Yeah, it was like and it was cuz you know I'm trying to promote this thing and whatever and he graciously brought me on the show But like at the same time terrified because I know how he is like a same thing like I was gonna throw an acronym out there Yeah, like some kind of like super random like related to your product to just like I don't know what that was the best supplement for like Isometric training like I have no idea You probably know didn't it take you a like crazy like swim adventures and cold dips. Oh, yeah It was it was a wild time, dude. We yeah, we mushroom foraging mushroom foraging Frisbee golfing jumping in freezing cold water watching Kyle almost drowned. Yeah, it's a good time He's a he's a unique. He's a good guy. He's just he's a unique individual. I love talking to the guy But you know, yeah, he likes to ask questions like What's the most effective form of you know, X or what do you think of some, you know Kind of out there biohacking device or whatever. Yeah, now, you know My answers come from my experience, which is like you guys, right? We we train and coach people. Well, your answers come from your experience plus your knowledge of reading and stuff, too It's not like you're just experience. Well, what I mean by that is if it's just off my knowledge Here's a good here's a good one. So, you know, NCI is really good at this NCI Which is a certification course that trains and coaches Trainers which now we kind of work with and are a part of they do this really well where they teach their coaches How to be effective not just how to give the right there about application. Yes, so then they are about science They take the science they disseminate that for the average coach or trainer and then teach you how to apply that in a real world If it's applicable at all, right, right, you know or just say forget it We don't even need to deal with right. So he asked me a question for example about Stim machines what I think about stem machines and do they help muscle and that kind of stuff now as somebody who's trained Everyday regular people forever Waste of money total waste of time to look at stem machines because the average person should needs to focus on that being said I own one and you probably want to right now if you're like dialed like if you're banned, right? And you do everything and I'm like trying to squeeze out point five percent performance I'm gonna look at all this other kind of weird stuff and maybe I'll apply something like that But stem I'd never really promote because the average person could fix their workout programming could do some stuff with their diet Can sleep a little better. Maybe do the better exercises versus the ones that are not as effective Stimulation which is not as effective as you basically promoting that. Yeah, it's not and also I think it has everything to do with your budget like if you if you got throwaway money just like with supplements I mean, I feel the same way even about that like I mean, and you're a perfect example of that Look at all the supplements you take. Yeah Yeah, we talk all the time about going through food doing everything all naturally But that's because again, I think you're we're trying to speak to the average person who's going Hey, I've got three hundred dollar budget that I can put towards my health and fitness this month You know, should I get this supplement? Should I get that someone that person? I'm saying no way No higher coach. Yeah If you're paying attention to if you have a budget like that towards like don't waste your money and time on something like that But hey, if you if you got disposable income and you want the competitive edge and you're checking all the other boxes Then why not? Yeah And to give you like an example and then I want to go to stim because I do think it's an interesting conversation Because it's kind of it's something that a lot of people now are promoting is this way to build muscle And it's applied differently in the way. I think we we saw it when we were trainers and coaches but to give you an example If somebody came to me and said hey, what's the most which form of cardio is the most effective for cat? You know for me If I'm just gonna give you the right answer, I'm gonna say what I mean by right answer is what the studies will say I'm gonna give you the one that burns the most calories. I'm gonna say running Oh go running now an experienced coach would say which one do you like the most or what have you been doing? Right because I know the one you like the most is the one you're probably gonna do and what you've done in the past Makes a difference in terms of what you should do now. That's just an NCI does that really well Now Ben comes from the side where he wants the what does this science say right? Right? So he brought up stem Okay, so we should talk about this so stem as we knew it what was rehab equipment, right? You put it on a muscle and makes the muscle tense. I still think is its best use Yes, me too. It helps kind of reduce Atrophy doesn't prevent atrophy, but it reduces it if you can't feel like immobilized You can't move your leg because your legs in a cast or whatever get the quad flexing all that stuff Well the way they're applying it now. I don't know if you guys have seen this machine. So take recovery And we'll know they have you seen these machines where they put super powerful stem machines on a muscle and then they make you Do an exercise I saw him Okay, so he must ask you because he and of course he's tied to something. Yes promoting it I saw him doing The exactly what you said he was hooked up to some crazy machine Uh-huh all all on it wires all hang on the way and he's doing the The assault bike. Yes the assault bike like his because intense as he could. Yes. I just found the assault bike, too Well, I see so I see other people in the use a million They found in the cave. Yeah, we get to Neanderthals later. Yeah, that's why they were so fit They the way some people are using it for muscle building is the like let's say I'm doing squats They'll hook me up. They'll hook my quads up to this machine While I'm squatting it fires an electrical signal at my quads and makes the exercise hyper hyper intense I saw a girl doing deadlifts with yes, her coach had them all had her all who do that I thought it was a stupidest thing ever. Yes. So now here's what it does. It'll make you really sore dramatically increases the intensity So will if I take a baseball bat and hit you at the side It does kind of sound like that I'm gonna throw a mess and bought you while you're doing a squat. Let's make this harder Well, what I told them is I said yeah intensity is great It's a it's a it's something you should manipulate But it's not the only thing and if you go balls in on intensity and avoid, you know Practice and frequency and volume and technique like it's not gonna do very so you can there's a million ways to make an Exercise way more intense. Does that mean it's gonna be more effective? No, not at all So that's that was my now by the way, he gets and I want to defend him right now on this day He gets like discredited by some people right you obviously He had Ben has his camp of people that love him and everything says then yet Then there's other people that like put him in that woo category or oh, yeah, or he's yes pseudo science guy or whatever But here's the thing I personally don't know a person on this earth that I would rather Have testing all that stuff and giving me feedback of course like I think he is I think he's got everything control He has incredible integrity the best one for the job I think he has incredible integrity. He's honest about it. He has all the other boxes checked I mean that guy lives a very like a very controlled healthy Consistent lifestyle. So if there was somebody who's gonna add something and go, let me try this new thing I want to hear his feedback. He is and I do I call it when I hear about stuff. Yeah, that I'm curious about He's normally the guy I text because I want to know when he tried it He'll give me his honest feedback of oh, yeah, it's kind of like this or it's compared to that or honestly I did it for like six monks didn't really feel or notice anything like and I know that dudes controlling all the right Because let's say something adds consistent 1% Improvement and performance so that you can measure it right? How would you know if you get an increase of 1% it wasn't just that you got a little bit better sleep, right? Or your diet was a little bit better Ben would know because everything's controlled everything's so controlled that that 1% he could say it was that weird thing He's the best for that. He really is and I and you know He does get some flak for for being that guy and I get it right because it is he every week I turned something on in his pitch and he's got something up his ass in his nose In his ears, I mean, but I mean that's the dude that I want to see do all that because I don't want to see some You know bullshit influencer peddling that stuff who's you know fucking hopped up on steroids doing all kinds of other crazy shit Inconsistent drinking not sleeping. Well, and then telling me hey try this east him out It gave me so much more perform. Get the fuck yeah I know what what is it with the everything in the butt nowadays with with health and fitness Is that like the new I mean it's like whatever you've explored everywhere else So it's just a natural somebody I should you know what I should I should I mean there's the butthole sunning thing that that kind of came Well, it's like it's like you have things that work and they're like, how can we make this different like everybody loves coffee? Have you headed up? Yeah up the butt. Yeah, that's way different. I mean it's powerful Have you guys heard about these kids that what would get drunk through their butthole? Have you heard of this? Yeah, that was on a jackass long time ago They did that yeah on the first or second one where they turned him upside down and they did the beer bong straight in his ass You don't remember that. No, it's dangerous because it gets to your bloodstream. Hello. So fast Okay, so when I'm doing my questions today and somebody asked me of this I had no I have not heard about any thoughts on those semen retention videos. I've seen on YouTube Where are we going? No, it's related. It's gonna be ready to help look it up. Doug. Thank you There's a serious one semen retention. Oh my god. Don't click on images. It's so great to articles So it's okay. I think I'm gonna guess I'm gonna guess it has to do with not ejaculating. That's what I'm gonna guess Yeah, I'm assuming that so you basically I think they're trying to trying to claim it has all kinds of health benefits And it's like a movement going on right now doesn't feel doesn't seem like it feel project blue balls Yeah, I can ask some questions. Sometimes I'm like what I have no idea what the fuck that is hold on Improves fertility sexual pleasure or physical health the sperm retention helps direct sexual energies to other areas of life Or that it improves emotional health and spiritual. Okay, so I need to know what it is Okay, so isn't this just a rebranded like Kamasutra thing like you know how they have that like where you just hold on like you're just about to go and then You just stop doesn't it's called edging That's what this there's some other Consider I think what it is. I just doesn't consider that edging. I think edging That's the only place I know of it. No, I think I think that's a whole category I think what I mean what I'm saying is is I think what it is is you have sex or whatever Yeah, never allow yourself to orgasm and so you constantly do that and that's no It's called tantric Tantric that sounds like it's been around forever. Yeah, that's been around for so what is it explain? Ejaculate that's it. It's just a rebrand of that and they're trying to justify Doesn't that fly in the face or in direct conflict of No, we just had we just had a great interview with God sod right and we an evolutionary behavioral Psychologists right and doesn't that isn't that like in direct conflict of what the theory when we talked about open relationships with them like Resisting and not Ejaculating for all these people wouldn't that cause more conflict as a society? So isn't it not a great idea? Well, I know this I know yeah I know medical studies show that frequent ejaculation reduces prostate cancer risk. That's a fact So that'll they'll actually show that but this used to be an old myth in sports I bet you heard this back when we're in high school and stuff like that like guys that wouldn't like jerk off like the Football season started coaches or like from boxing. I mean you hear a lot more in fighting. I think Because I want you like yeah makes you a What I haven't had sex or haven't jerked off like a week. I'm angry And then Mike Tyson just you know basically threw that out was like no this you know, I'm not gonna do that Yeah, I think that's what it is and it's and that's what it says like it helps you with your sexual energy and your whatever Yeah, probably because you're super frustrated So you either have you have to figure it out anytime you're really frustrated you got to figure it out, right? Emotionally and mentally. Yeah, so maybe that's the maybe that's the thing, but that's weird And what happens when you finally let let it go. Oh, I mean, yeah So I got something else that I don't know if this is weird or What you're gonna call this but and I'm curious if you guys have seen this yet So Katrina's best friend a text her last night. Oh my god. Look what my son's school is doing now So now when you go get your kids school photos You can upgrade and pay to doctor them So you want to fix your kids crooked-ass teeth $10. You want to get rid of that the birth mark on their forehead $7 Like they have they have they had they now offer that as a like an all-in-the-mills face to bro I cannot believe they're doing this that children. I don't know about this kid's got to be He's let's see here. He's probably eight or nine. Well, you know, well think about the message That's what it's a complex your kids remember when I brought up that app that I told I was so blown away that my nieces and Stuff were all into it when I brought it up before and they're like, yeah, we use it, too And I found out like I think like to 200 million or something crazy people have downloaded that which is like face tune or I don't know the name of it But what it's something like that where you can modify your face and whitening and they I mean my my nieces tried to like Justify it as like well, we just use it to whiten our teeth. That's all, you know, we wouldn't change my how fat we are I can only imagine what they would have done to my fourth grade picture Where I got stung by a yellow jacket right under my eye and then the next day my eye was just like puffed out I had a slit like this Oh, yeah, I'll get all give it to Andrew Yeah, it was the most the saddest picture. I'm just so there's a well think think about the message that sends your kid Imagine you have a kid because when you're a kid you're insecure about something so you kids like I hate my big nose Yeah, my big nose and then they get their school photo and they're like, why did they change my nose? It looked like me that will only reinforce this terrible. Oh, you're worse. I mean kids are so savvy now They they're probably familiar with those apps and they're probably all pro it and for it because you are in security start really early Yeah, but it's different to change it yourself imagine if your parents do What if it's really not that what if it's the kids that are asking the parents to do and the parents just concede and they Do it I mean still bad no matter what the behavior that you're you're teaching the kid at that young of an age That it's okay that you fix this and audit audit the way you look on so if you guys think that if that's fucking insane Dude, if you guys think in the future that we're gonna wear contacts or glasses that are gonna augment reality Mm-hmm I wonder if you're gonna be able to do it beer goggles where you're gonna be able to do it to where when other people look at You it's gonna modify because you can have something where I mean, you know I'm saying This is why I subscribe to the whole idea that we're gonna be divided as a as a world where we'll be like plugged in or unplugged And I think there's gonna be a big portion of people I think there'll be more people plugged in than oh, yeah It'll be like 90 and I and I think that you're all of your inner I think player one hit it on the head I think Sarah gets did a good job with those movies that it's gonna be this you plug in and people do not leave their house Yeah, and and your their avatar and character is whatever they want it to be. We're already moving that direction Well, we're already trying to make the world seem like it's the biggest scariest thing on the you know to stay out to be outside It's so scary. Oh, you know, I can just Exactly think about all the things that are just pointing in that direction that oh, man Wouldn't it just be better if we just stayed safer we'd be away from this virus We wouldn't there'd be no bullying you could be whoever you wanted to be you can be you saw article We just saw the Jerry set about fruit fly like Yeah, I don't know if it was real now, but it was KTV you or whatever which is like a legit Yeah, news source. So it's like what the fuck is a fruit fly gonna do like why are we even worried about this? Well, I know that it that could definitely destroy your watch and stuff like that Yeah, but like why throw it out there like it's some kind of like it made it sound like it was like this Murder hornet well logically speaking there you there should be more fear around mosquitoes and there should be sharks, right? There's more there's been more deaths. I'm more afraid of the genetically modified Mosquitoes, it's okay. So it says it says portion of South San Jose under state quarantine for oriental Fruit flies wait a minute. Isn't that a politically incorrect? So Urged to consume okay It says here residents in the area are urged to consume or process homegrown fruit and vegetables on site Or take extra care and disposing them So I think what happens is if these fruit flies get all over the place, then they'll start to really damage Fruits and vegetables. So I think that that quarantine literally just means okay. Well, that's for the farmers Why the fuck are we concerned about it? It's like I'm not quarantined for Hey, I don't know you never been to keep quarantining for whatever the hell's coming around You never been to my Sicilian dad's backyard. He's like it's like a he's like a total He's got a normal middle-class backyard. So it's not like this huge. You didn't have a half an acre anything like that Yeah, and he's like every square foot of this backyard is growing something. Yeah, so he's got you know, it's his baby So I'm sure he's concerned about oh, yeah, he's hilarious about it He goes out there and just checks every time I go there. Hey, look at this, you know green bean or whatever Well more crazy news along those lines I think you brought this up Justin a while back and I think it's just now being confirmed that The X men are changing their name. Oh Man, why to be more inclusive. Yeah, man. Oh, oh, X people. Yeah, I can't say men. Okay. So I Dare you go ahead and put in warehouses next. I'm sue. I'm sure yeah Anything man-related. Yes Well, what's so unfortunate to me is like see gonna be like X people and this is again like Birthing people and like this whole thing like with mother baby unit. They're trying to change that to like care taker You know some bullshit like that So anyway at a certain point like this whole movement to change words and try to include like a fractional percentage of the population Like where do we draw the line? Yeah, I mean I say no I reject it. Yeah I what are they gonna? Okay, but what are they calling the truth is you what do they call men now though? Men are what at people who ejaculate. There's people all right great people. What is it called men? Do you guys know cuz I don't know um, I didn't know we're allowed to say men anymore semen spreaders I try not to say it very often. So what are they gonna change it in gorged clitoris people? I don't know dude I don't fucking know. I don't know man. They just make stuff up, dude And I don't know where to go Marvel. Well, they may rename the X man. I mean, they're solving problems Justin They do this. Yeah, they'll solve everything. Well, yeah, they're definitely solving a tiny little problem. That's great So I'm really excited for the the the God saw it interview to drop because we talk about a lot of this stuff Yeah, he does such a good job of communicating all that stuff. Yeah, that was an amazing conversation So I read a really cool fascinating science article the other day about this woman who She suffered from severe depression They they tested a brain implant on her and it cured her not only to cure her She felt overwhelming happiness and joy From having a particular part of her brain get stimulated by a brain implant I feel like it's just we got a punch line. What do you mean by stimulated like does it actually like shock or like Like you feel like an electrical like charge. I think it's I think it sends in some so a pulse But so it says this is her quote. She felt the most intensely joyous Sensation so it's a neural electrode and it returned her to a life worth living So it's an experimental neural implant which delivers 300 zaps per day And it represents a bold new frontier in the treatment of extreme psychiatric Conditions Wow how like so think about this for a second like the repercussions in the brain is I mean It's it comprises all those like electrical impulses like all the time So they're just I guess hacking their way through that. No, well, I mean if you can if you can just put like okay You have extreme psychiatric conditions. I get that but the average person feels sad, right? The average person feels depressed. We don't like those feelings unmotivated at one point. You guys think it'll be People just using it be like, you know, I just want to be motivated all time Constantly making you feel a particular way like that's there's a lot of lessons to learn from bad feelings You don't think that would be something we get down-regulated and then it would you'd have to do more anyway I don't know because this is directly to the brain. So it's not through a receptor Like yeah, but you gotta think that the way the body adapts everywhere else you would think maybe that part of the brain shrinks I don't know something like that. Yeah, or just adapt to it or I don't know dude It just seems like another way to escape or like not confront something that's you know It needs to be addressed and I think that's where like I see the promise and like psilocybin or something That actually kind of takes you process some of these traumas. Yeah, it helps you to really process it in a better way Yeah, that's a big difference. Why do they not use opiates for depression? Do you know like it pairs with the the Opiate receptors, right? So the you would people and those are the feel-good feel-good high abuse potential Well, no, of course. That's so so our you know, SRIs are called to write No, they're not highly addicted. No people don't take SSRIs like they would opiate It's like you could take more and more and get this like automatic good feeling. Oh, really? Yeah, so it works very it works differently Whereas an opiate you take it once. Oh my god, I feel good. Let me take more Oh my god, I feel good and then you keep you know, kind of pushing it. Yeah, and it's got very high Addictive so do you think that's the reason why they don't oh, yeah Absolutely same reason why they wouldn't use alcohol or any other substance in that way because alcohol could do that You know something similar right makes you feel good When you're depressed or whatever short term, but it's the abuse potential This is what like this is like the the delicate dance they do with with medications is Abuse potential help how much does it actually help? What's it actually solving? You know, let's let's take it from there. So I don't know very strange A lot of good feedback from that episode that we did Yeah, that was that was really cool really, you know Surprised by the the lack of any sort of response that we felt from therein on with bodybuilding calm Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty wild like and maybe you could find this dug I remember we pulled it up. They were one of the most visited sites on the internet Yeah, and the very popular they fell off the cliff like about I don't know. It was just seven years ago Yeah, probably from Amazon selling supplements. Yeah, of course, right? I would think that but you know, they look like they have this massive presence because you I mean This is so interesting about social media like you see a company like that. They've got a pretty well Name right most people are familiar with bodybuilding our space to two over two million followers like 2.7 on Instagram Yeah, they did a post of ours. I think I added two people. It's under a thousand lives much robots Yeah, that's cool. Well, I think that's maybe kind of what it is or be maybe people follow them because of a promotion Yeah, but even then don't you think that it would still get I mean two million, you know, even if like 95% of them followed for a promotion like you're saying or just or even say they're all 95 robots, it's still a lot of people should have seen those clips and you would think that you would see About though because even a massive massive show like a Joe Rogan show like some guests that go on there Like they get very little impact From it which which they're always like confused by but some get huge Well, Justin, if you go through the Instagram every post is it doesn't match the amount of fall Oh, yeah, I see you're saying yeah, cuz I thought that too. It was just us, but I looked and it was never just suck Okay, that web remember that that that documentary we saw on social media were So like they said a large percentage of followers are fake and Instagram It's in their best interest to not police that because it looks good for them Right to have people to have you want big numbers for your shareholders, right? And they were saying something like most influencers like 50% or more of their following is not real And it's just not it's just totally fake. So that's why you have more than me as most years are fake Yeah, the bots like me You want to hear some bad news I think it was last year Maybe 2020 I gotta look this up there was a 30% increase in homicides 30% Yeah, in the in the country overall in the US. Yeah, it says US homicides rose 30% in 2020 the largest single-year increase ever recorded now that it's super alarming Considering that we were in quarantine for a good amount of that time, too. Well, okay This is my I'm not my guess, but I think it's a hundred percent, right? You guys remember 2020 Police were taking a beating by media of beating. Yep, they were terrible They're all guaranteeing people to get advantage of that all systemically racist A defund the police actually became a political slogan for a little while Although it's not so much anymore because they realized it was a bad thing and and you think yeah It's so funny to be people You want to hear what sad about this 30% increase Here's what sad because bring chaos up a lot of the message was systemic racism defund the police It's better for minorities. What how many of this 30% increase in in homicides. Do you think was disproportionately? Minorities a huge percentage. I don't know the percent was disproportionate. Yeah, I'm sure that's so that's very sad I'm sure they stop going in high crime areas, you know because they were being told they're defund them in those areas So they stop going there and then what do you think is gonna? Yeah, it's really sad I was huge game bangers and drug dealers and people that are in that that type of business go awesome No, no cops are gonna be coming around now So, you know, it's funny when they do polls when they would do polls and they would go to these neighborhoods and poll minorities Minorities were like, what do you mean defund the police terrible idea? They were not in support of that whole slogan. Oh, yeah, so it just goes to show you You know and just yeah, you want protection running your business To get by you need that if you look at statistics the single if you if there's one factor that you could that you could change Statistics that you could change that would have the greatest impact in crime in a positive way. It's increasing police That's the one thing if there's no single thing that competes or compares to that now There's lots of things you can do in combination, but simply increasing police presence has the largest Impact on reduction of crime then any other single factor and I don't know why people are you know completely ignore that? Yeah, yeah, which is you know, well, I'm going to counter your shitty news and bring up some good news. Thank you. Yes. Let's get out of there October 14th rad is coming back to theaters. Oh my god This year is their 35th anniversary so 35th anniversary They are coming back to the big screen if you haven't seen rad it is better than warriors It is better than war I kind of feel it's not better than the warriors Okay, I've never seen How many I'm asking how many hip-hop songs video games and pop culture quotes Zero is there a lot that come on. There's a music video semi-an angel Yeah That's one thing. It's a good thing. That's one thing. Yeah, come on, bro The warriors are all over the girl from full house No, I've been getting people I've been getting the DMs you were looking you were so excited and looking forward to people Have you watched well yours yet? Here's what here's where I'm gonna counter because because of 2020 everything else right bike sales went through the roof and So there became this big huge movement to get back to like be a maxing and and like these dirt tracks and stuff Like I see just mobs especially in Santa Cruz, too There's like meetings of all these people there they're doing wheelies and they're doing all the Tricks and things like you used to see freestyle BMXing like it became a whole thing all over again I think BMX bikes especially for grown man is a biggest waste of money because here's what I see bikes reach out You get I want to buy no you get excited. Yeah, you're 40 coming after you I don't care you get excited because you're 40 or whatever and you really remember that I'm gonna buy one and they use it four times and you never use again. You bought one. How often right? Well It doesn't work for me, so it's just sit sir I need one that actually fits me our buddy Lawrence is riding his all the time. I keep asking me about it See it. I didn't get it. I need a new bike He went out He went out got one and got one to be matches 49 or color colors and stuff because he's a big fan And I see him riding all the time Next bike, you know they're like so exclusive like right when when he comes up like it's gone It's not that everything is like that was before you guys came in the studio Yeah, Doug and I were talking about like he's been looking I got Doug going down the rabbit hole last night When it did you see the car? I said that that's Justin's car. Oh my god. What is that dude? That's a monster. Yeah, so the audience knows I have I have set personal goals for everybody And when we hit this crazy like milestone that I want everybody to go out and just do something Irresponsible and ridiculous and buy like it like just a car Also, you know, yeah, we gotta keep what he is what Adam does he wants to do it so bad Yeah, but he's like I'll feel better if they do it. Yeah, I need them to do it It's true. I'm not gonna deny that. I'm not gonna deny that at all What I sent Justin's over it's the it's called the apocalypse. It's so sick. Yeah, it's bulletproof and It's all like he they extended it. So it was like it's a modified Jeep Would they call that the jeep? I don't know what what what? Was it a popular one that I know of like I went down the rabbit hole with that So you sent that and then I go on YouTube and there's videos of people who have souped up like Huge trucks that are like 15 1600 horsepower diesel trucks. Yeah, that are blowing past Lamborghinis on the freeway Have you seen these videos Lamborghinis? There's one guy who literally races a viper GT? Whatever one of the fat like a super like ridiculously fast car Yeah, and dusts him and puts of course. It's black smoke because it's diesel Yeah, just covers the car black better. Hope there's a lot of straightaway. Yeah, that's what it was Yeah, it was on the freeway and he totally screwed. All right What's the what's the most likely way that each one of us would be completely irresponsible and ridiculous with money? Okay, like if you were all this to do to spend a bunch of money and just be stupid about it Well, I think a car for me for you a car. Yeah for me. It would be so it would be expensive jewelry or something No, no, well, I mean if you can't the Rolex thing like that's I have one more and that's it And then I'm done right so I'm in the long time ago I made a goal for myself and and so I hope I have that but I don't think I would do that other than that because I'm not like a Gold chain diamond guy and all that stuff For the people that have the show long enough They know like because I think I've talked about on the show before a long time ago But those are those have those were very important to me, right? So they all they have lots of meaning the very first one has a lot to do with 24 fitness days I've shared that with you guys before that that was supposed to be it was given out to the number one guys in the company and I was on pace to crush that six months in And it was right after the dot-com bubble burst and like every all the companies were taking a shit And they all of a sudden just eliminate that competition after I like committed my and by the way like to do to win that was just I mean Yeah, a handful people win that right and so I'm competing against you know Thousands of people and and there's always a couple people that are like killing it and it took literally me not taking days off I mean I for six months. I almost maybe took off five days I would say maybe less and just was grinding to get there and it was on pace to win and they All of a sudden send this email out that says like sorry can't win the Rolex washes here I was devastated over that and then after that I made a commitment that I'm gonna get one But I wasn't gonna just go get one. I wasn't gonna go I needed to just like I was had a competition it somehow Yeah, so I had I set a financial goal for myself that you know Once I had X amount of dollars saved up in my count it was a big goal for me something that was way far from where I had was currently at and That was so I got that so that was a really big moment for me And then the three after that were all other milestones And then there's one last one that I set that goal a long time ago, and then I'm pretty much done So they have time I know that right. Yes, they have this whole value, bro. I just yeah, that's true I mean I've been trying to convince Doug for a long time Dugs in the market to get one right now, and I'm like dude the watch that Doug is about to get 15 years ago when I first was shopping for them that thing was 30% less he could he could I could have bought that thing back then what crazy Let me think what investments would have grown more than 30% over the last 15 years a lot So I don't know if you should sell it like an investment I don't know about that you know, but they do look you know, they are And you can wear it, you know, it's always the shitty shit talker There's not a lot of cool things that you can you can buy and use House is one of those right so a house you could buy and use and then it still go up in value after a decade or like that Classic cars are that way. I feel like Justin would get a classic car. I think that would be the biggest thing Yeah, something you would want to he would have to definitely yeah It's all classic that was like totally done like stem to stern like crazy now to me You see chip foos, you know promoting it or something to me that's not irresponsible because a Really really nice rare classic car like that on average and maybe this has changed. I looked at this up years ago, Doug The average classic like classic car appreciates by 8% a year Yeah, so because every time one fault whenever crack gets another crash the value in those just keep going I would imagine that they would go up even I don't know how they're gonna change the laws But I know that the way that a lot of states are moving is they're gonna start banning gas cars and the next Year's completely so I wonder if that'll increase the value I'm sure so this is part of because I think a car in general is one of the worst investments You could ever do generally speak. Yeah, generally speak. Yeah, you lose value Right, so if I were to be anything worse is a boat when you said you're right No, that is that is the only thing that is worse actually a boat is worse So if you said doing something irresponsible, I don't think of the the Rolex is that I don't think of a classic cars I do think of a you know Mercedes s65 as that, you know, because as soon as I drive it off a lot It's not really but I am intrigued by this and I've talked to you guys about I should think I shared a video with you guys the Cadillac CT 5 v-series is Going to be the last Gas-powered manual ever built by GM and it's and it's the fastest sedan in the market in its class So you're talking about a 660 horsepower Luxury sedan I'm surprised. It's manual. It's nobody makes manuals no one does and it's going to be the last one That gets me excited the last one that GM will make so imagine if 10 years or 15 years down the road Wherever you think this future is coming when we're never our kids kids will never drive cars or whatever Yeah, I imagine that is the last manual ever made with that much horsepower It'll probably look so complicated to our grandkids are gonna be like wait a minute. There's three pedals There's this thing you got to put well It's the number one deterrent from car theft better than an alarm better than a low bar I think or whatever I totally have one for Sal though. I was like thinking about yeah What the hell would I do well because like so it's like something super expensive and ridiculous that I think he would Just love would be like like an Elon Musk flamethrower like He would pay big money for like a ridiculous experience Yeah, like I could see Sal doing like and this is cool This is on my most debate somewhere across the world between Jordan Peterson and Sam here All right, here's what you would or next or like an exotic supplement that doesn't yeah You buy a supplement company. Let's be honest, you know, like this is you know black rhino Rhinoceros penis you would go to some like Italian like it's somewhere in Italy a you know five-star Michelin restaurant and some famous chef that's there and have him serve you in the in like you the private dinners that you get You know that people can be there super high ticket to do I could see you do something like that I mean, that's a cool experience. Honestly, if I think about it I think the biggest waste of my whatever you however we want to label this would be I'd probably buy a gym Honestly, it just for fun. I'd buy a big-ass gym by work and just just for fun And and just do it and just lose money on it and not care I mean honestly, that's something that it's kind of like a dream of mine To buy a gym and not worry about profiting. Well, I think for fun if you have if you guys haven't seen Jujimufu's That is he really did I think he's got like a half a million into it I think I think he said the price when Excuse me when he was first doing it and I think it was like yeah, it's like every piece and there was custom Oh, it's new equipment wise like he put so much thought and it's on his property Yeah, so yeah, I could totally see I mean I can get down with that Yeah, I could get down with that as far as like a way to just kind of blow money, dude I got I'm finally calming down from earlier. You know what I took first off I was a little upset earlier, so I apologize to you guys because there's a little drama going on in the You know when you have you talk about something on the podcast and then you have I don't want to get into too much detail. Oh, come on. You can't do that. You can't like you know What have you guys I'm sure you guys have experiences of course the worst Fans are always people related to you know, you know, yes Totally and because that what they'll do is you know, we tell stories all the time Yeah, either when I talk about my family 99% of time. It's positive 1% of time. It's a funny story I don't talk shit about the people that I really care about But there's always that person that listens that's like I can stir shit up by showing this person what they said and do it So anyway, that started got me super irritable super mad So I took the you know the samples of Ned was it called is it calm dog? What is it that that mellow? No, no, no, no the new the new little ones He gave us in the bottle first is that real by the way before you talk about is that even released that released yet? Yeah, we're supposed to talk about it actually. Okay. He's trash. Well done, sir Well, bro that works so what it's it's one-to-one ratio. It has a cinnamon taste so I did it the other day Yes, so it's got so it's it's got CBD and CBG so it's a one-to-one ratio Was CBG the one that you were talking about a while back is your your prediction of that being one of the other? I believe so cannabinoids or they consider it It's called the parent cannabinoid because without it you wouldn't have THC CBD and any of the other was it CBN CBN is another one that makes you sleepy, but CBG is anti-anxiety anti-depression Really really interesting studies around it. They also put ashwagand in this and man, I can feel it I really works. Do you predict that we're we're gonna start to extract those out and then? Concentrate them even more and they're gonna become in the eventually Big pharma is gonna get their hand on this right? Yeah, we that's the inevitable They're not gonna use cannabinoids though. They'll use cannabinoids that are that are changed a little bit So I think be sold as pharmaceuticals. That's what I think Because because otherwise the artificial version of them. Yeah, like they're gonna take CBD and tweak it and call it something else So that it's patented But otherwise combine it with something. Yeah, because if you take sense if you take cannabinoids by themselves They do something but they work much better in the presence of other cannabinoids. That's why that's why Ned's Yeah, it's got all it's got lots of other cannabinoids in there. They work together So it's not like one plus one equals two It was found in nature is best for a body that weird. I know I know especially for chronic You kind of case feeling kind of stuff, right? I didn't like always like that though like naturally balanced, you know already it definitely is I mean think about think about like taking protein powder versus eating the food and what you miss from eating the food, right? Or a vitamin minus like vitamin C Oftentimes it's present with bioflavonoids and other cofactors and fruit versus just taking it by itself So definitely, but I think there's also value in concentrating things if you want like acute effects Have you know what you guys just made me think of something? You know a lot of people have been Our other sponsor which was the which is the what's the gel packet ones that tastes like farts. What's Live on labs who the thiams. Yeah, the live. I know this is not a commercial for them Sorry, so I but I just like farts Well, they so I guess they actually they promote you do it like in like a little shot glass or with water or Something you're not supposed to actually the way we do it straight. We're not not supposed to but it's they Promote it being mixed with a drink and then you take it down I just do straight. Well, I haven't done that yet and I feel like I should intensity of it a little bit But yeah, I wonder have you tried it that way? I haven't tried it that way. No, okay So the next commercial you guys know me officially. I'll report back and try one of problems If I know it works. It's just like it's in the goal. Yeah, that's tough for me. Yeah, that's a little yeah You know me. I want a look I want mint chocolate chip flavor. Hey, it works though Well, it works glutathione does not get absorbed. 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Enjoy the rest of the show First question is from Catherine health journey What is the best way to progress to a full unassisted pistol squad? Well, okay, assuming you can already do You know two-legged squats with good form and you're strong And you could do barbell squats the next in my opinion best way to do this to exercise I really like one is a one-legged get up off of a bench So you sit on a bench you have your legs bent Maybe one leg is straight and you use one leg to predominantly lift yourself up to kind of practice that single leg lift up and then the second one is just stand on a box and With one leg off the box and squat down slowly and come back up and and progress yourself to be getting lower and lower There's two things that I love to use and it depends on if you have a steep enough incline of stairs But you know it actually like acts as a natural kind of progression To be able to get up off the stairs So if you sit like a bit higher Oh, yeah, and you lift you lift your leg up and you can start a bit higher You start there now gradually like go to the next step sit on that step come back up and kind of work Your way down the stairs or you know the more obvious one if you have Suspension trainer straps is to kind of hold on and to gradually Sort of basically like training wheels So you're you're lifting your leg up and you're squatting down to the depth that you you know can control comfortably and drive back up and sort of gradually get rid of You know the suspension trainer to help to pull you back up Yeah, I love the suspension trainer or what you said the only thing that I would I would say that when you're doing this is When people are trying to learn how to do a pistol squat they get so hung up on being on the say I did a pistol squat versus like really paying attention to the form the mechanics, right? It becomes a one-legged anyhow. Yeah, and they kind of you know kind of roll Yeah, that kind of defeats the purpose I would rather see this so if we were gonna do the the one-legged get up like you said I would take clients and I would put like remember those those blue blue foam pads, right? And you make the bench higher. Yeah, so I'd start I'd have I'd have a bench And then I'd stack one or two or however many I think to because I could do I did this with clients that were 80 years old So I would do it with anybody even in advanced age This is a great exercise and you just by regressing it or you add pads to regress the exercise So I'd start really high and I would emphasize the the form right and sometimes I would I would let clients like even hold On to my fingers right and say, you know, you can hold on here. I want you to keep the chest up Slowly come down I don't want you leaning forward to get up and I want to see like this perfect One-legged squat even if it's a very short range of motion and then I get rid of one pad And then we work on that till we get perfect form and then we get rid of that pad And then you're down and you work your way down that way until you get to like a pistol squad if you have Suspension trainer you can start all the way at the bottom and then you actually have some arms The only thing that I say it caution you is that you know Don't try and do a pistol squad and completely throw out the mechanics of it Just so you can get a pistol squad out because then you lose a lot of the really good benefits of getting Doing a single-legged squad. I also wanted to highlight one thing too that like in terms of like ankle stability in mobility To address making sure like and so this is the whole knees over toe kind of a Mentality where you know you are going to be in a position where your knees going to travel quite significantly Further in order to counterbalance great point you into that position a lot of people can't handle that kind of stress around the knee Initially so to be able to work on that and focus on like a combat stretch and really kind of gradually increase that Range so your knee travels a bit forward and be able to have that Comfortable feel be able to keep your heel down and and tracking to keep you stable is going to be a vital That's the number one reason why people have trouble with the pistol squad. I'd say besides strength It's it's ankle mobility hundred percent. It's because you're you're there's a lot more Angle flat excuse me ankle flexion with a pistol squad than a traditional squad Your knee is going to travel much further forward and that's why that's why a pistol squad for me is almost impossible I have such Bad such tight ankles in that particular position that and I'm strong enough I could definitely lift my body weight with one leg It's my ankle that gets in the way and that's most people. Yeah with people. They can't do it I couldn't do it until just recently till I actually addressed Which that wasn't the goal the goal was related to a bilateral squat, right? I wanted to get into a deep Squat and work on my squat and scroll position, right? So but I couldn't do a pistol to that once I could actually once I had the ankle mobility The pistol squad was actually really easy. Yeah, cuz like you I had the leg strength You know, I had the leg strength to be able to do one-legged squats But I didn't have the ankle mobility to be able to do it. So that's probably I mean depending on who's asking this question But I'd say most a big limiting factor. Yes. Yeah, people. That's the issue Yeah And by the way again back to my point of like the mechanics matter If you do a pistol squat and your heel comes up off the ground like you're you're doing it wrong Like you do not want to you do not want the heel to rise And if it is rising then that's your issue is ankle mobility address that first really get good at that And then start with the regressions that we're talking about and work your way to it Next question is from CMOS 23 What is harder to develop quads when you're glute dominant or glutes when you're quad dominant? That's funny That's it. Yeah, you know, it's funny about this immediate my immediate like reaction is to say glutes only because Nine out of ten times that's the issue It's almost never that someone's glute dominant and their quads don't want to react But I will say this they're probably equally as hard I don't care who you talk to. Yeah When you're doing a compound lift and you're there's a particular muscle group that just isn't doing a lot of the work And other other muscle groups are doing most of the work. It's really hard to come out of it Just is it's a very challenging thing So it could be I think both are really hard now the way that you solve both issues is by hitting that Particular muscle first or priming it properly, which will help you change the technique and form to activate those muscles more I know, you know, it's funny. Doug is a isn't Doug a glute dominant guy He's one of the only people I've ever known that is like that. You're a big guy, right? You have more more powerful glutes over here So I actually think That's easier only for the reason I think it's easier There's I are and may correct me if I'm wrong, but like read my head right now Okay, I can think of a lot more Good strength Building exercises for the quads then for the glutes the glutes are really tough to have like really there's hip thrust and a lot of The exercises that you would do primarily for the glutes You're going to you're gonna fill it in your quads if you're quad dominant, so it's you can always like glute like excuse me Quad isolation exercises I guess are pretty easy. Yeah, that's what I mean It's really leg extensions leg presses. Let's talk about Doug for a second So Doug's glute dominant and so what's he what's he doing? He's doing heel elevated versions of squats So gobbled squats gobbled squats front squats things that keep them real upright get them no more knee extension Sissy squats. I showed him I showed him a version of a sissy squat the other day with a cable That will some at some point. We're gonna air as a Friday fit tip, which is really good But I mean honestly if there's a muscle group that you have that you're having trouble connecting to hit that first with some isolation exercises then go to the compound lift now that doesn't Automatically increase the activation because I know there's some keyboard warriors and scientists that are watching this going with steady show That pre exhausting doesn't blah blah blah, okay? It's not because by itself. It's increasing activity what it's doing is it's allowing you to feel that muscle more so you Could change your form with the compound lift if I pre exhaust my chest and then I go bench press now It's easy if that's an area. That's hard for me to connect to now I can move my elbows and position the bar in a way to where oh there's the chest I can really feel it now in the lift. So it helps you with the compound lift That's really the main benefit, but it's there's nothing inherent about it that increases Activation we make a commitment the three of us that will when people when you know the academia Academics get on our page and love to do that stuff that instead of us going back and forth and you waste our time We just put like I know things Yes, 100% it's perfect. All right For our fans well no our fans will know that right so they'll understand it that they'll just get frustrated like what that's supposed to mean Right because because it's always never say any quotations though. Yeah. Oh, yeah, no, of course You quote it and say I know things and then we'll just leave it at that because it's I'm not gonna waste my time going back And forth explain this because it is it's always somebody who'd like while the science says this I don't give a shit That's what it says. I'm telling you from training tons of people very controlled setting with you know a very limited population Yeah, yeah, that's I was just what made me think of that Was one we just brought up that story of you talking about I know things and I was recently I let myself get sucked in with somebody on YouTube of going back and trying to explain Why am I doing this? This person is some troll who probably has never even listened to our show They they heard this one website. Yeah, they heard this one clip and they want to try and debate back and forth with me And it's like you're not even the person. I'm trying to help I'm trying to help everybody else that is actually looking to learn and take some advice That's the one who wants to argue with me on the science. Our next question is from Logan Thomas What is more important spiking insulin before the gym or after the workout? I've heard both have value one for energy and one for recovery I don't know enough about it and want to know if it's healthy. Okay, so here's what's more important Focus on your workout programming Focus on general nutrition and sleep and this right here is a great example of where especially the supplement industry Will put out zero zero one percent These small things or we're talking about the super advanced what like earlier in the episode We were talking about Ben Greenfield where that extra one percent might make a difference This is one of those things like spiking your natural insulin Before or after what kind of a difference is it's not gonna make it's gonna make a difference that you won't notice ever So it really doesn't matter. Here's what I like this. This is what's more important Which one do you feel better doing so I'll use myself as an example spiking insulin before Would require that I eat something that cause an insulin response either fast-digesting proteins or usually carbohydrates, right? I never eat before my workout. Why is it because I don't want my insulin to spike? No because I feel better Fasted when I work out now. There's other people I have most actually most of my clients are not like this most of the clients that ever trained Did not feel better fasted most of them needed to eat something an hour or two before Because they felt better energy in that case eat something before now. What about eating afterwards? Okay? Well, there may be some cases where because you have gut issues to work out some inflammatory Probably better off waiting a couple hours after your workout in other cases You may this may be one of the ways you get your body to relax after it's already amped up from a workout because eating Does put yourself in a parasympathetic response. Yes, but boy are we we start to really focus on you small things And it's such a way to hit it on the head It's exactly this is a perfect perfect example. We're just talking about with taking science, right? There's science out there to support the benefits of spiking the insulin before you go on it You know who uses that science all time people that sell pre workouts Yep, you know who uses the science about post-work at people that sell shakes protein bars and post-workout stuff They use that science to support the argument of why they're selling this product to you at the end of the day I have never had a client where the using one of those products was a game-changer in their results I'll give you guys here's a here's a great example actually we a years ago We talked to a top trainer for professional athletes And there were a couple things that they said that were so illuminating okay So let's use basketball players for example basketball players professional basketball players are usually huge, right? They're like six foot seven or taller big dudes Oftentimes they have fucked up looking feet because either the shoes don't you know It's hard to find size 15 shoes and especially when you're 17 years old or whatever So they crammed their feet into other shoes and they've got messed up toes and they've got weird biomechanics And I remember talking to this trainer. I was like oh Do you work a lot on like foot connection and mobility and correcting? You know how you know imbalances in their feet and he goes no They became professional athletes because they learned how to compensate so well if I back them out of their compensations They're not gonna perform well anymore, and we're gonna go backwards and it's it's gonna shoot myself You know no pun intended in the foot. Here's another example Talking to him about nutrition. I you know I'm like have you ever thought about telling your athletes who have this ritual of eating You know this particular bad meal like cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets before every game Have you ever thought about giving them better nutrition and he goes no I might give them better nutrition which will help them physically, but psychologically They're so attached to the ritual of eating their cheeseburger and nuggets that I'll mess them up even more So this is the stuff that you need to always consider So the answer to this particular question is do you feel better eating before or after that's the right answer? Forget what the science says about insulin or whatever It doesn't matter nearly as much as which one makes you feel better Well and the truth is what you just highlighted is what supplement companies know this and so they once they get you On that ritual then that's enough excuse just to keep it going totally Oh, I always do my pre-workout shake and I feel the best when I do that and when I go get that thing right afterwards I always feel the best so Sal I'm gonna keep doing it. I love yeah, they got you, bro They already got you yeah It's funny cuz I noticed the same thing if I don't eat like I'm more focused and I'm more into Yes, the workout and so for some people they they haven't really trained them They're mine to kind of get into that zone and space and so they need that like energy And so they focus on getting through the workout instead of really like hyper focusing on the intent of the exercise So there's like there's a lot more to it, but it's definitely individual variants Justin the science is clear eating a couple hours before will improve your performance. Guess what? I feel better fasted. So what am I gonna follow? I'm gonna eat I'm gonna know fasted into the workout. That's right. That's the right answer And I think that's what people need to understand listen to your own body listen to your body absolutely Next question is from Ernie Meyer. What do you think about carnivore or meat-based protein powders? I love them. I think they're great like other protein powders They're not bad, you know what that you know, it's beef-based protein. Yeah, you know, you know, it's good about them Now there's always there's always of course supplement companies like to do this like to compare proteins Which one's better which one has a better amino acid profile? Okay, here's what the there's a couple things we need to consider if your protein intake is high It kind of doesn't matter. So like for example plant protein versus animal protein Animal protein far more effective at stimulating muscle growth and recovery However, if the protein is high enough to stop it stops mattering it really doesn't matter anymore This is true for all proteins. Now. What's the benefit of meat-based protein powder? There's a lot of people that are that have digestive issues from in particular weight protein or dairy protein I feel like that's how you would want to kind of assess whether or not like it's a good fit for you Is like how well you receive and digest it and you know and in terms of like getting Protein from natural sources and from you know, your diet specifically is always gonna, you know far Surpass like getting it from protein powders, but yeah to be able to you know Assimilate it and be able to digest it properly would be like a priority also if you like it I mean that's one of the reasons why I continually still use ways that it tastes good Yeah, it tastes good. It's like if I have like it's the end of the night. You're a big taste guy Yeah, I am a big taste guy. It's like if it's the end of the night And I am a little under on my protein intake in my stomach's ground I'm watching movies and I want to go down. I'm like, oh, I really want to go get some popcorn right now I'm like damn it. I know I should I should what I should do is I need more protein I'm not gonna make myself a meal. Okay. I should probably go have a shake the the less I like taking that shake the less likely I am going to do it in that situation and the more likely I'm not gonna go have my my protein powder that is Chucky and flavorless and even though it's healthier and better for me and the science supports that it's this is that much better than this protein by 2% if I don't like it and I'm not gonna and I'm not likely to make that decision in that moment And I know that that decision is more important to me than the the splitting hair difference between all the different protein powders If I don't enjoy it and I don't like it at all and I'm gonna have a moment like that Which these moments happen quite often in in a in a lifetime I want something that I'm like, oh, yeah, you know what? I'll go make my my peanut butter banana Way protein shake that I like I could do that instead I remember that's happened to me a lot of times that exact scenario. I just that's a great way to use it So I think most people should use protein powders rather than relying on them throughout the day and today How much more do I need and then you you take it? I remember once as a kid buying and I never did this again Strawberry flavor protein powder and they don't really make them that often, right? Because it's gross. Yeah, it's never good. I like the the myoplex one back in the day Strawberry milk though. I love strawberries. So that's why I like God. I forgot about that. Yeah Like that then I would have been in but it never tastes like that. No, but yeah, I remember I tatted and it was totally discussed Okay, here's what protein Quality matters if your protein intake is low So if you're somebody that doesn't eat your point six grams of protein per pound of body weight or more Now you want to start to pay attention to protein quality. So and where's this? Well, you say that a lot Does that mean like okay? Let's say let's just say my my number is 200 I need to hit and I'm at 170 and I'm debating between vegan or meat source or way Then they're all three gonna take me up to 200. Is it all equal at that point? Are you talking about if I take it and you're still low, okay? So that's where it matters the total is under because and again the studies point to generally about point six grams per pound of body So in other words same scenario, but I'm at 75 grams It'll take you to 100 and this will only take me to 100 if I'm gonna definitely be under on my protein It does make a difference on which one is more valuable in that case Yes, so this is for example We talked to somebody a while ago who her kidney she only had one kidney and her nephrologist said you can't eat more Then I think 60 grams of protein in that case It makes sense or let's say you're a vegan or maybe not even a vegan or you know Somebody who just eats a low protein diet because vegans will always have plant proteins Then then it makes a lot of sense But if your protein intake is high it honestly doesn't matter And if your protein and takes high the number one thing you should focus on is Digestability how well does this digest? Does it make me feel okay in that case? It makes the you know that that's that's the thing that makes the biggest difference But if you're hitting your eye protein, it doesn't make it supplement companies have done such a good job at promoting Bars and shakes that I know people that will this was really popular in the you know Bodybuilding community where they'll be at their protein intake and over and they'll still eat bars And shakes on top of that. I'm like what a waste of money. Like why would you do that? Yeah, I well, I mean think okay when whey protein became a thing in the supplement space designer protein was one of the first ones to come out and it was this big thing and oh my god whey protein It's so high in glutamine. It's so high in branching amino acids, and it's true It's one of the highest quality Proteins on a gram program basis versus anything else other companies had to figure out how to differentiate themselves So what they do? Oh, well, we have whey protein isolate We have pre digested for whey protein. We have you know whey protein hydro hydrolysate or whatever and oh, no It's fast absorbing you need protein before bed that's slow absorbing. Yeah, he's seen is the way to do This is just how they differentiate themselves But if your protein it takes high doesn't matter really doesn't make a difference at all Take the one that works with best. Excuse me with your digestion Look if you like our information head over to mind pump free calm and check out all of our guides We have guides that can help you build muscle or burn body fat or improve your health and longevity again It's mind pump free.com you can also find all of us on Instagram So Justin is at my pump Justin. I'm a mind pump Sal and Adam is at my pump Adam