 summary is kind of where we're at. This is the first time we've met in two months because we keep not getting the right or getting a zoom link or getting the meeting warned right. And because this wasn't warned correctly, because we didn't have a working zoom link, this is just a discussion meeting and not a decision meeting. And that Pellan and Carol can't join. And Jeremy also. I haven't heard anything from Jeremy, no. I thought he sent an email that he was called out for, he called to do a presentation or something like that that he hadn't anticipated. That was last potential meeting. That was the last one, oh, okay. Yeah, that was two weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think because we've been called in just to reflect on what you're saying. We've been called in to do like DEI trainings for city committees and staff and we're like, that is not the role of this committee. That is not like part of our charter. That is not what we're skeptically trained to do. And that should be like paid work. And we've been called in supporting processes. So like the Elks Club project planning process. And then we've developed some tools for like the budgets process. And then just to repeat back what you're saying, everything else has been put into other committees, housing, restrooms, lots of other lots of other things. So we've kind of done the, unless there are significant issues that we should be taking up, maybe should raise the question at the next meeting to of like what is the purpose of this committee? And if we wanted to make a recommendation to council to close that potentially, you know, with the understanding that the city would provide staff support or consultant support for running, you know, DEI and equity issues kind of in its own more like staff capacity. So Lauren, is this something that we should bring up at council next next meeting? Yeah, I think we can. I mean, I guess my question, like not having reread the equity report recently. I mean, is this just feeling like there's lack of direction or like, oh, we've like done what we can as a committee from the equity report. And like, I mean, what I'm slightly concerned about is like Cameron, who was our biggest like staff advocate is gone. And so I don't know who would pick up this work. I think it will get I don't think it will get done if we disband. Okay, I think it will be able to take us back in the city efforts around the mission of this group. I don't think anyone else is equipped and like Carol's role is so unique. She's not like in the central office to carry it forward the way Cameron was. And to like, make sure that the budget process is going to like that's would be putting too much on Carol, that's not fair to her. And it's not like her role. So I mean, I could see like reassessing or something, but I would just say if that's like the decision like that this group wants to make, I just I think it would be like, and, you know, I think our equity work would go would stall. You feel the same way, Jennifer. Yeah, I mean, as a indigenous person, I feel like this is like a really important committee for our little town. And I don't want to disband, but I also understand the lack of clarity on as to what to do now as the original charge was to do something that apparently has been completed. So thanks. Yeah, I think I'm also just feeling a lot of like frustration and general stalling because of the lack of, you know, just like the technical lack of meetings recently, I'm just putting in the chat the goals from the committee here to goals from the equity report, I'm sorry, or the, you know, recommendations from the from the equity report. And yeah, I think like, yeah, Michael, we haven't talked about this as a full committee. I think let's definitely check in with Jeremy and Pallin as well, too. And then, right. And then maybe if it is like, actually, we need to make sure that, you know, this team is like trained up and able to like training for trainers for committees and staff, then like, let's rewrite the charter or something, you know, like, if there is if there's more of like a new direction setting that we should do as a committee, maybe that's maybe more, more the question to ask. And there's also, I mean, this committee has always like met twice a month, like most committees meet once a month, like maybe there's just a lighter workload, but there's like, try to get some more clarity and focus. And maybe it's not like, you know, maybe there would be projects in and out that would be like more work, but it's not like, you know, maybe it's like an oversight and monitoring and like, okay, is the city making progress on these things and like, bring in different staff to check in on like, if it's, I don't know, like, I think there's different ways we can take it, but it could be I could see different ways we could try to structure it, you know, without trying to like, create a bunch of work for ourselves, but still keep like the focus and like, mission of this group, like, alive and active for the city. Michael, you're muted. Yeah, I thought we were onto something when we tried to have a second meeting of the committees committees. The the underwhelming response suggested that that's that's a kind of dead end. But I do think that that's one thing that would help keep social economic justice issues, you know, alive elsewhere, except in our committee. I mean, and the special committees that get get appointed to solve specific problems. But other than that, I really can't think of what, you know, how we go, how we go forward. That may be a lack of imagination on my part. Now, I'll plead guilty to that. But the the Elks Club process apparently hasn't worked all that well because they're they're trying to think about how to get more people involved with with the initial plan that they had. I'm not sure what we could do to contribute to that as a committee. You know, I feel as I've expressed this before, I feel some frustration with the fact that we cannot get to the people that creative discourse talk to get to get their input. I mean, that's where we that's if we could be the conduit for those voices, that would be helpful. But since we can't, we're not allowed to use that they consider that proprietary. I'm not sure how we recreate that, you know, that that channel to to find people who are willing to talk with us from there from the perspective of being the targeted group that we're trying to serve. But that doesn't help much because apparently CR is you know, CD is just not going to relent on that. Well, I think and just as a reminder, you know, we can send them an email that they can send out to that list. And I'm just realizing we haven't done that for the Elks Club project yet. And so I'm going to be reached out to the Elks Club people early later right after this. And just to say if there is language they want us to send out to this group, we can, you know, draft that up for us and we'll send that we can send that out. But I do think yeah, the Elks Club project is still looking for support on public engagement. And I, you know, went to another meeting on that and yeah, you know, shared shared some of those ideas. And this is another good one. And I don't know what else. I mean, I thought we had talked about and I think it was like a Jeremy project. I know he hasn't been able to come to the last view, but like that part of the idea was to be like developing more of a like checklist for every city process. So like, as we try to be like, okay, how are reaching people who are typically not engaged in these type of processes unless you have like a deliberate outreach approach that we're like laying out so that because every project it feels like you're starting from scratch, like, oh, who should we talk to? I don't know about reach. And it's like, can't we operationalize some of this? And like, so I thought that was some like something that we were going to try to do and like, as a resource for the city also. And obviously, it would be like, you know, have to be flexible depending on the type of project. But I thought Jeremy was taking a start at that. And that like we had talked about if creative discourse context folks like once they're in this process, then this will issue around like, like then they would be part of a public process. And there would be people who if they opted in to be like, willing to be contacted again, like that, you know, we could start to like, work around having them as like a bottleneck to be for outreach. Yeah. Well, they are bottleneck at this point, I mean, it would be nice if they could turn that into being a funnel instead of a bottleneck. But just something that we could so that we can make contact with those folks again. Well, and just to reopen it again, like the whole that's why we have went with the consultants is that we could have that barrier and so that people would not be able to FOIA request who was participating in that process that people could speak more freely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like intellectually I understand it and it's still emotionally frustrating. So yeah, I just wanted to say that for the record. Frustrating because it means that there's really no ongoing dialogue with with folks who are presumably the ones that we're trying to bring into the conversation. And that and that's that's why I think it's important that we be able to reach to reach them or at least to find out if they're willing to talk with us, you know, at some point in person rather than sort of so indirect indirectly. Yeah. Also, I'll I'll reach out to them about getting that list from for Elk's Lodge. I'll reach out to Jeremy about any update on that list. Reach out to the city to figure out what's going on with our meetings and and then I think our agenda items for next meeting are talking about like more committees on committees or like trainings for trainers for city and staff or changing and changing charter. Is that covering it? Anything? Yeah. I was going to ask like, is that help? I kind of feel like it would probably it would be a more productive council conversation if we had some more like focused questions, like, I don't feel like coming at this meeting, I could like, that Jennifer and I could like have know exactly what to ask of council. And like, so maybe one more like a really focused conversation with like, you know, and I think it's fair enough to say, given like, you know, we've created a bunch of other new committees since this one, like, does it still make sense to have this committee? If so, like, can we update and refine and add clarity to what the charge of it is and its role and, you know, and it has fluctuated over time and like, let's reassess it. I think that makes total sense. I just don't feel prepared to do that based on this conversation. I don't know, Jennifer, if you have more clarity. And do we know who Ms. Carol going to be permanently? All right. And will she have the same sorts of responsibility? And can she take on the same sorts of responsibilities about training, ongoing training, and being the ear for the city on social social equity problems? I mean, it's exhausting work. I think that's one of the things that that the Cameron found, you know, so, you know, really little physically exhausting. I mean, it was complicated by her long COVID. But she she that was a big item on her plate. And she had a very full plate. And I'm wondering if Bill is rethinking the job description. And for that position. And if so, where is that? Where is the social equity stuff going to go? And with what kind of authority? What kind of authority will anyone who has that position have to, you know, plan for budget requests, plan for programming, implementing the what's left of the suggestions and ongoing training? I think I think it's one shot is not the answer. It's got to be at least annual. And it has to be somebody who, you know, who's going to be sure that that happens. I don't know if Carol has room on her and her agenda for that kind of stuff. Right. And I think that's, like, all part of the questions. I'm not those specifically, but like later on, the questions after my initial questions of the city, I'm being like, is someone else going to send is Carol and try to send me out the zoom like, you know, just things like that. It's just like trying to figure that out. So I'm going to start by asking those and then like later on, I think maybe more like figure like from there, then get a sense of what is the scope of the role of the staff liaison for the committee. And then I think if we do get kids can you guys just share a little bit more about the budget timeline too. And just seeing if that's informative for any of our timeline decisions and things. Well, in any case, we have to know whether we can carry over the unused money that we have from this fiscal year. Yeah, could ask that question tonight or at least see the question and try to get an answer by next meeting. Let me look at the calendar. I think December 14th is when we're going to be seeing like, you know, I don't know if you've got it handy, Jennifer. It was like our next we've got a council meeting tonight. And then then it's like December 14th and 21st, I think we'll be like going through the initial budget proposals. I know like the budget Congress that the staff like that's been ongoing. So that's like the early side of, you know, trying to weigh in. I do have those on my calendar. Great. And then it's basically like every Wednesday and January continuing to hash it out as needed. And then with the 26th of January, which is a Thursday as the final approval of what's going to go on the ballot. Okay. But really December 14th, so we've got a month. Yeah. Okay. For bringing those proposals, if we're changing any proposals and bringing anything forward. That would be ideal at least. So we're trying to get something in after a lot of decisions. Michael, have you been involved in the Elk's Club project? Just to check that off the list here. No, I haven't been, but I did take a walk there with John Snow. And I had a conversation with him just yesterday, I think it was, because he was at the meeting also. And one of the things that he was thinking was that it would be good to do a kind of open house where you offer food and beverages and walk around the property. And because that would, the food and drink would get people there. Yeah. And then as long as you're there, if you do it in small groups, you have someone who's recording ideas that people are seeing rather than trying to do this in the abstract, because it's hard to just look at a map and say, what's going on here? But walking it, I've discovered with him, you come to places where you say, oh, here's a place where you could have housing or here's a place where you don't want to start messing around with the landscape. And it's that kind of on the spot, they used to call them what would they call charrettes. They were, it was an architectural term, but basically you'd sort of bring a model on a horse carriage and put it in the central square and people would come and talk about it. But it's that kind of on the spot that I think would stimulate a lot of interest and might get some good ideas and what our committee has to do with that. I don't know, but well, just leave it there. Yeah. No, because yeah, I think they laid out that they've got these different rounds of process and that kind of the initial like open meeting round, I think is over and that this is then going to be more like, they're going to present proposals and get feedback on them. And so I think that also could be really cool to have like an open house with food and drink and to say what if we do this year? What if this year? What do you think now that we're here and we can see it and touch it and smell it? Yeah. It can even be done as a potluck. I mean, it doesn't the doesn't have to be all on the city's budget. It can be something that people invited to bring cookies or whatever to share with the rest. Christmas cookie. Yeah, Christmas cookies. Right. Yeah, cakes, all those food cakes that people get and they don't want to eat it. But I think that's a busy fruit cakes and really loosen us up. Yeah, something like that has the the the view and the and the feel of a real community event and that I think that would be helpful. Yeah. Great. Okay. Anything else that we should make sure we cover on this meeting? And I'm so sorry. Again, I'm I feel like I'm still like so riled up and frustrated that I like haven't been able to like settle into this meeting, but I'll send these big next steps out. You're fine. Don't worry. Okay. Thanks, James. Do you want me to write up any of this? Or is this all these chat notes enough to circulate? I've been taking notes. I can circulate this. And once we figure out kind of what's happening for our next meeting and things then can can circle out those those ideas. Okay. Good. Glad not to write nine minutes. I got you. Okay. Thanks, team. Thanks. See you. Have a good week.