 I just wanted to see how everybody's doing. Is everybody OK with what we are covering? Are you comfortable? Is it getting too heavy? Go ahead, Samuel. Shikumar, I see different hands raised. OK, let me hear your thoughts. What do you have to say, Samuel? Thank you, sir. So in essence, what we are seeing is the Big Bang and the Earth all happened in one single day. In Genesis 1.1. In Genesis 1.1, like all of that happened. Because I think the scientific theory is between Big Bang and the Earth being formed, there is some time gap of something. And it didn't stop there, meaning even as we speak today, planets are still being formed. And stars are still being born and planets are still being formed. But when it comes to Earth being formed from the time where nothing out of matter existed, like nothing existed and suddenly everything existed, that happened in a single act in this compressed time. Yes. That's what you're saying, right? And I don't know if my network is acting up. But have you addressed gotten to the part of the dinosaurs being life or not before man and dinosaurs? That's to come. We will do that. So what we'll do is after we next week, after we cover the Big Bang and just kind of understand maybe just understand what it is and the Christian response to it, then we'll take up. So we've understood evolutionary biology. We've understood cosmos through Big Bang. So how do you answer these questions? One will be the fossils and the carbon dating or radioactive carbon dating, those related questions after we speak about evolutionary biology and Big Bang, those questions. We'll put that in the end because then it makes sense once we've gone through it. OK, thank you. We have a question from Shrikumar. We have a question on the chat as well. Yeah, Shrikumar. Thank you, sir. I just want to know as you said that the time, energy, and the matter was compressed. And within the Genesis chapter one, Genesis chapter one, when we read that when God said, let there be light. So what was that light if the God has created the stars after creating everything and after the sun and the moon he created, then he created the stars? So what was that light? And my second question is, when the Bible says that earth was a girl in darkness, was it really darkness or was it a spiritual darkness or any other kind of darkness? And my third question is, nowhere in the Bible it mentioned that God created water, God created, but the Bible says that the earth was covered with water or engulfed with water. And also nowhere in the Bible it mentions that God created the air, nowhere in the Bible it says that God created the rock and the mountain. So where all these things like in the process of creation, like we have as we said like there is a six days of creation. So where these things will come up like the mountain, rocks, waters, air. And because you can see that water was already there before God said let there be light. And water was something which was covered the entire the surface of the earth. So how the water was created and there is no record on that. So I just want these three things. I just want to know these three things. Thank you. Thank you. So your first question will be our third question that we're going to answer that's in the notes. It's like how Therese asked about the days. You asked that question. So basically what we will see, that's the next question that very often people ask in Genesis exactly what was this light? Well, to understand the past we go into the future. When you go to Revelation chapter 21 and also chapter 22 you find in the new heavens and the new earth there is no sun. So it's like, hey, we're back at the beginning. There's no sun. And then you see where is light? It says the Lord Himself is the light of the earth. So when you go to Revelation 21 and 22 there is no sun. God is the light. So we can say therefore you go back to the beginning. Genesis 1, 1, God Himself was light. So the light that we talk about there is God. And God can, if he wants to have God is light. He was a source of light. He is the source of light. And he will be in the future. There won't be any sun. He will be the light in the heavens and the new earth. So we can therefore, because we are a biblical basis to say it we can go back to Genesis 1, 1 and say, hey, this makes perfect sense. You don't need a sun to have light when God is there. So the sun is only an expression of the father of lights. The lights, the stars that we see are only a physical expression of the father of lights, right? So the light and, you know, the first few days when there was no sun was God Himself providing whatever light provides to the planets. So the next question you asked about darkness, right? So when, you know, we could just say that before God Himself caused His light to bear on the earth physically, right? So when God said, let there be light, verse 3, it's like brightness coming in. Where is that brightness coming from? From God Himself. So in the absence of that, which is verse 3, before God did verse 3, there was darkness. Verse 2, that was the absence of light. So it's physical light, right? Your third question was water. Well, we can say that in Genesis 1, 1, when God created the heavens, which is the vast expanse, and the earth, right, verse 1. So when He created the earth, at that time, the earth didn't have the vegetation. It didn't have animal life. It didn't have human life. The earth had water that covered all of it. So in what form was earth created? When earth was brought into existence, there was land and water. And the water enveloped the entire land mass. So it was like a ball surrounded by water. That's what we understand from verse 2. And it was created in a void, in this space, without light on it. But then God caused His presence to bear physical light, which is verse 3. And then on day 4, God created the lights, the physical stars. Is that OK? Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, sir. We will get into that in the question later. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. Rupa, you had a question? No, sir, no, sir. Thank you. OK, I just wanted to ask the class. Are we all OK? Because I know that not everybody comes from. I just have to tailor it to what we're discussing. I have to tailor it to the class. So is everyone OK with our discussion so far, Genesis 1? And we're kind of getting it into the details. If it's too much, it's OK. If you're comfortable, we'll go on. Just let me know. And we will tailor the content to what everybody is comfortable with. I don't want it to be too hard at the same time. If you're interested, we can get into the details. But just let me know. So we're going back to where we paused, where Genesis 1. Yeah, so we were answering this whole issue on was it literal six days or not? And I was talking about some of the theories that have been put forward in the Christian community in trying to reconcile science and Genesis 1. So we're just trying to look at each of those theories. So there are these three main theories which we're going to look at. So first one, we talked about the gap theory. We said that, OK, there's not enough evidence for something like that. And there's a big question is why would God just be sitting around doing nothing for so many billions of years and leave things like that in billions of years? Why would He need to do that? Second theory was the day theory which we started looking at. We said, look, can we say that the day, each of the six days in Genesis 1 could be more than a 24-hour period? Could it be 1,000 years? Could it be 7,000 years? Could it be millions of years? Some Christian scientists who tried to reconcile Genesis 1 with science even say, OK, it's billions of years. Is it right to do that? And what we are saying is, look, if you start doing that, the whole text becomes absurd. So first, we said that it's very clearly stated. It's a morning and an evening, which is simple language that describes a 24-hour period. So that's the first thing we said. The second thing is that God named day and night. So day and night. So if He's calling it day and night, which is right there in the very beginning, that is in verse 5, OK? Verse 5, Genesis 1, 5. So on day 1, He called it day and night. So again, it's very simple, plain language that is consistent throughout Scripture. So if we interpret verse 5 day and night, anything other than 24 hours, then we will have to use it consistently throughout the rest of the Bible. That means everywhere else where the Bible uses the word day, example, if you say the day is 7,000 years or 1 million years, then we have to be consistent. Because God called it day. And you're saying that day is example, 1 million years. And everywhere else in the Bible, when it says day, we will have to use that same definition of a day. It would make the rest of the Bible very absurd. So that's the second reason why we shouldn't change the morning and evening or day and night beyond what we know as a 24-hour period. Now, this is morning and evening. So if we change the day and night to something other than a 24-hour period, it just becomes very absurd. Another thing is later on in Exodus, when you go to Exodus 20, if you look there, it says when God introduces this whole thing on the Sabbath, Exodus 20, again, just I'm just giving example of how absurd something like this can become. If you go to Exodus 20, it states very clearly, verse 8, remember Exodus 20 verse 8 through 11. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work. Now your son or your daughter in a male servant, near a stranger, verse 11, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord bless the Sabbath day and hallowed it. So you look at this passage, Exodus 20 verses 8 through 11. God is telling man, is commanding man through Moses, of course. You work six days, you rest the seventh day because I worked six days and I rested the seventh day. Now if we go to Genesis and start making those six days as whatever, thousands of years or millions of years or whatever we want to do with that in Genesis 1, then you've got to apply the same thing here in Exodus 20 because God has put it together. He's put it together. That means man has to work whatever. Six days if you're making it a thousand years every day, he has to work six thousand years and then wait for the seventh. Is that what it is? No, that's not what God is saying. He's saying, he's talking about the weeks. The week, six days in the week you work, seventh day you rest. And that is what he's applying back to himself. So we must understand because later on Exodus 20 he's referencing back Genesis 1. And if we change Genesis 1, you're to change Exodus 20. And then it becomes very absurd. It doesn't become practical. It's not correct. Another thing just looking at that is we know that sometimes the word day is generic, can be also used in a generic sense in other places. In Genesis 1, it is very explicit. It says morning and evening or evening and morning and night and day or night. It's very explicit. But we know the word day can be used also to refer to ages, a period of time and indefinite. Like for example, the day of the Lord. Yeah, what is it? It's the time, sometime in the future, the day of the Lord will come. So what has happened is just because days is also used as ages or periods of time, context matters. We cannot take that idea that days is used in the Bible to refer to periods of time. In the last days, example. Last days, and we understand, Peter standing up and saying, in the last days, have we put out my spirit on all flesh? We know, OK, it's 2,000 years. OK, but the context matters. So when Peter said in the last days, he was not referring last days, he was not referring to 24-hour period. He was talking to about a period of time. And that's fine. In that case, yes, it's more than a 24-hour period. Or two 24-hour periods. But the context for us in Genesis 1-1 is given right there. And in the context, it's telling us very clearly morning and evening, day and night. So it would be taking things out of context if we change it to more than 24-hour period. Another, just looking at it from various angles. So again, if you change this to 1,000-year periods or anything else, millions of years, some people have done, then you're applying every day, thousands of years. So what is happening? The waters cover the earth. They were divided. Then vegetation happened, thousands of years. Then the sun, moon, and stars came to bring in seasons on the earth. So we are saying so much time passed before all this took place. Which again, it doesn't seem consistent with the creative process that God would have engaged. It's like saying God is taking so much time to create things. It doesn't seem consistent. And then you kind of extend it there, like I already mentioned earlier. Adam was made on the sixth day. If you're saying day six was 1,000 years, whatever time. Adam was 1,000 years, or 7,000, or 1 million years old. And after that Eve was created. Because Adam was created, God rested for another day. And then later on in the Garden of Eden, he brought Eve. So whatever we say, times two. And if you're saying one day is 1,000 years, so day six, then day seven, another 1,000 years. Then sometime later, we don't exactly when, Eve is created. So Adam must have been between 2,000 to whatever, before he met Eve. But then you find later on Seth was born 130 years old by the time of the fall, since it's five. So it immediately you see a contradiction there. So that's the reason why we do not accept this day theory. Because a lot of things become out of order when you start looking at it in depth. The last theory that people have put. And I have to admit that many well-known Christian I would say scientists who are Christians support this kind of a theory, which they call as a theistic evolution. Basically what they're saying is, God kick started the process and then let evolution take over. So for example, when we talk about evolutionary biology, evolutionary biology cannot explain to us. And as we will see it in the next chapter, where did the initial prebiotic that was before life came? Those molecules that you need come from. Now you need proteins, you need lipids, you need all of these molecules to give life. Where did they come from? Secondly, evolutionary biology cannot explain to us, where did the intelligence come from? Even for this protein, like we saw last week, for a single protein molecule, the amino acids and coming together with such intelligence and then the encoding of information, which we refer to as the DNA. Which then describes the characteristics of the organism. Where did that intelligence come from? I mean, how did these molecules just assemble together so that it could then determine the characteristics of that organism? Evolutionary biology cannot explain that. So what theistic evolution is saying is, well, God gave all of that intelligence. He gave all of that. Or talking about the Big Bang would say, okay, God created the, God was the cause of the Big Bang. He created energy, matter, time and space. But then he let things stick, go on, things happen over time. And he just is sitting there for billions of years, letting things happen. Basically, it's been an attempt to reconcile Genesis 1 with science. But I would say it's a sad attempt. And the problem is we are letting our respect for science become more important than our respect for the word of God. Now, these are good scientists, okay? I'm not questioning their scientific ability or capabilities. No, they're respected in their fields. But we cannot let our respect for science override our respect for God's word. But in theistic evolution, that's what they've done. Now, there's the reason is this. It's a very big problem. The problem is we are arriving at a conclusion of overriding what the Bible is saying based on what we know about science today. If we do that today, sometime in the future, maybe, you know, 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, if the information in science changes, for instance, you know, they found DNA and protein molecules on fossils. And then they said, oh, no, no, these fossils cannot be millions of years old because you cannot find this on a fossil. So maybe our estimation of time was wrong. So this we have to recalibrate now because we have found something different. So again, the whole issue of dating a fossil changes. So like that, so many things in science are changing. We'll talk about it next week. So the point going back to theistic evolution, the big problem is this. If today, based on the information I have from science, I'm redefining what the Bible is saying tomorrow, or meaning in the future, if my understanding from science changes, am I going to change what the Bible is saying again? That's the problem. So two big problems with theistic evolution. One, we're giving more respect to science than to the Bible. And we're trying to somehow say, you know, everything evolved like the science says, and God just started it. And he then stood by as a spectator. Second problem is, which obviously that's not who God is. That's not the God of the Bible. Secondly, sorry, what we are saying is today, this is our understanding of science. So we will change how we explain the word. Does that mean, you know, sometime from now, if your understanding of science changes, you're once again going to change what the Bible is saying? That's a big question. OK. So what are we trying to get at? What I'm trying to say is this. The best thing for us to do is to just to accept Genesis chapter one the way it is. Yes, there are questions like we are talking about some of these questions. Yes, there are questions, but we can find Bible or I would say answers that are consistent with the rest of the Bible. We shouldn't come up with answers that are not supported clearly by the rest of scripture. Because then we can get into a whole lot of problems. So, you know, we stay with that. One last question, which I think Shri Kumar pointed out. So, you know, as we read Genesis one, we've addressed certain questions. There are some more questions which will be addressed after we do the Big Bang, you know, like the age of the earth in terms of carbon dating and in terms of this whole finding of the fossils, the life, so we'll address that. But another common question from Genesis one is this. We are saying, I mean, as we read Genesis one, we are saying, hey, verse three says there is light, three and four, and there's day and night happening. But only on day four, sorry, yeah, on day four, which is verse 14, we are seeing the stars being created and we are seeing seasons, days and years being set in place, meaning what we understand as the seasons on the earth. So, there was light and there was darkness, absence of light, but we are seeing seasons, signs, seasons, days and years, stars being put up, only on day four. So, the question is, where was this light coming from, like we saw earlier? Where was this light coming from in Genesis one, verse three? Where was it? So, our question then is, do we need a sun to have light or do we need the stars to have light? Or do we know, is it right to say that God Himself was the source of this light? I mean, we know the scripture saying God is light, there is no darkness. And we know that is spiritual. But could God be the source of physical light? Can we see it in scripture? Well, we know that when people had encounters with God, they saw physical light. Saul on the road to Damascus saw bright physical light shining and he was blinded, we know that. So, we know that physical light coming from God is possible. But what really is amazing is when you go to Revelation 21 and you look at that. So, let's go to Revelation 21. And we can look at verses 22 to 25. Somebody could read that for 22 to 25. Sorry, somebody could read that for us quickly. Revelation 21, 22 to 25, and also 22 verse five, please. OK, I'll read Revelation 21. 22 to 25. And the sun or temple in the city, for each temple is the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb. And the city has no need of the sun or moon to shine on it. For the glory of God gives each light. And each lamp is the lamp. By each light will the nations walk and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. And it gets, will never be shut by day. And there will be no night there. Thank you, sir. Verse five of chapter 22. OK, chapter 22 verse five says, and night will be no more. There will be, there will need no light of a lamp or sun. For the Lord God will be the light. And they will reign forever and ever. So when you get a glimpse of the new heavens and the new earth, that's going way out into the future, says there's no need for sun. God's glory becomes the light of the planet, the new earth. And is there life on new earth? Yeah, people are living on it. There's a river flowing through it. There's a tree also happening there that's bearing fruit. And God is the light of that planet. So when you're talking about physical light, so we have scripture that's telling us that physical light is possible from the glory of God. So going back to Genesis one, verse three, verse four, we can say that at that time, there were no stars, but God gave whatever light was needed, physical light that was needed. And he went about creating the firmament that is the vast expanse all around the planet. He went about separating the waters on the earth from the landmass. Then he went about creating the sun. The stars, including big and small lights, that's day four. Then he created sea creatures and bird creatures, sorry, flying creatures, birds day five. And then he created creatures on the planet, on the earth, that is the animals. And he put man, sorry, before that there was vegetation also created there. So God did it in that sequence, the way it's described for us in Genesis one, one. And we just take it as presented for us here. OK, so we're going to pause now before we jump to the next chapter. I want to just see, we've answered some basic questions that common questions that come based on Genesis one. So Thayshad, is that OK? What we, I don't know, Thayshad, about this answer, your question about that one day is 1,000 years and 1,000 years, one day. I mean, are you comfortable with the answer? Not sure, OK. Anyway, Shrikumar, are you comfortable with the answer about? Yes, sir. Is that OK? I mean, if you have questions, please ask, don't hesitate. This is a learning for all of us. No, it was clear to me. Thank you. Thank you, sir. So don't hesitate, anyone. Don't hesitate to ask questions, you know. Is there, is there anyone else? Anyone else with any questions? Now, you know, some, in some Christian circles, like I mentioned, there may be a lot of emphasis on, say, the gap theory and the pre-adamic world. And, you know, in case you've heard that kind of a teaching and you have questions, you know, there's nothing wrong in discussing it. We can try to answer those things. All right. OK, if there are no more questions on this, I'm going to go to, I'm going to move over, you know, change a little bit now. So what we've done is we have looked at Genesis 1. So now let's see what does science present to us as the origin of life? OK, so we've seen, this is what the scriptures are telling us, OK. All right, Genesis 1 and verse 2. The earth was without form and void. Please explain. So what we can say, so Genesis 1 verse 1, so I'm just answering Avani's question on the chat. Genesis 1.1 is saying, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So in that creative act of God, the heavens, meaning all, you know, it doesn't state, doesn't use this language, but you're saying all the planetary bodies or the celestial bodies outside or other than luminary bodies that is stars came into existence. So the planets, the planets as we know it and whatever else is there, other than the stars came into existence. And God said, Genesis 1.1, it says, when God created. So all this you can imagine, all this came in. And the earth came in. But how did God create the earth or other than what form was it? Verse 2 explains, the earth was without form and empty, nothing on it, no life on it. And darkness was on the waters. So you have to imagine, you have this earth planet that is covered by water. So you don't see the hills and the valleys, the mountains. You don't see any of that. I'm not saying it's not under the water, but at that point, all you're seeing is you're seeing an earth covered with water. Did it have mountains and valleys and those things at that time? Maybe, or maybe it happened on day two when God separated the waters from the earth. That's day three, sorry. So maybe the mountains, the hills and the valleys came in on day three, or maybe it was already there, but it was all surrounded by water. So it's just a description of what things were like in verse 2. So there was a physical earth, but it was surrounded by water. So you can't tell the form of it, because it's all fully surrounded by water and it's dark. That's it. Is that OK? Yes, Pastor, thank you. Any particular question you had on that? What I was thinking was that earth was there without form and void, and then God recreated it. That was something I was confused about. So now I'm clear when you explain it. OK, all right. Fine. Anybody else? Any questions? Go ahead. So in that, the earth was without form and void. And some of the scriptures say, void is like waste or something. So the question they ask is, how can something that God created can be waste? That's my question. What was the form and void, waste? Let me just quickly look it up. Can we use the word waste here? Just a minute here. Yeah, so yeah, it says here, emptiness, void, and ruin. It could be ruin. Now, I'm looking at the Hebrew word. Bahoo, right? It's talking about an emptiness, void, or a ruin. So it doesn't have to be a ruin. When saying emptiness, void, or ruin. So my response to that is, OK, here you have a Hebrew word. It could be translated as empty. That means there's nothing on it, void. Again, talking about emptiness. But it could also be used in the context of ruin, something that's laid waste, like you're saying. So I think the context for us would determine, just like everywhere else in scripture, a word can have multiple meanings. And we should just look at what is the context here. I shouldn't use one potential meaning of that word to expand on an idea. So what would be the best translation of the word void? It's a translation of the word Hebrew word. It's empty. It's void. There's nothing on it yet. But if I say ruined, I need to understand it as, OK, again, the sense of ruin means not ruined because there were good things on it before and therefore those were destroyed. But in the sense of, well, nothing is there. That's how I would respond to it. It was void, empty, nothing on it. But if I start building on that word ruined, as some people have done to support the gap theory, and therefore because of that there was life on it before, then I'm bringing up ideas that I cannot necessarily substantiate by other scriptures. So that's the danger. If I just say that word there, the earth was without form and ruined, therefore there must have been life on earth before between Genesis 1, 1, and Genesis 1, 2. And I go into that, then we can do anything with words. Good. Good questions. Anything else? Go ahead. Anyone? Piyala, go ahead. Then we can have Mrs. Oliver. Go ahead. Piyala, actually here in the amplified version, I mean, they have explained this word, the Tahu-Bahu as a figure of speech, and it is written, meaning is that the earth had no clearly discernible features at this point in creation. But it was essentially just a mass of raw materials. So here I think they're trying to explain that what it means here is like, as you mentioned, there was no mountains and valleys. So there's no clear discernible features at this point in creation. That's what that word is used. It's just like a construction of figure of speech. That is what it is written here, Pastor. Yeah. Good. Thank you for sharing that with the class. Thank you. Yes. Pastor, you said in verse four, light. I mean, God, it was the glory of God, that light God. Then what is that darkness? So darkness is the absence of light. So he divided the light and darkness. What did he divide there? So God is light. It doesn't mean he's going on and off. He is always light. But out of his glory, he is causing something physical to happen on the earth. Just like we saw in Revelation, he's causing out of his glory light to be on the new heavens and then the earth. So same thing here. We can understand that light came from God and he caused it to be bright for a certain duration and he caused no light to be for a certain duration. The duration when there was light was called day. The duration when there was no light, he called it as night. So God is causing that on the earth. He doesn't need a son to do it because he's God. And what he caused on the earth, that light he called his day, the absence of that light, he called it as night. Okay. Thank you, Pastor. Yeah. So God himself is not going on and off. But what he's causing on the earth out of his own power is what we are saying as day and night. Because we see very clearly over in Revelation, he doesn't need a son to have light. Yes, Christopher, please go ahead. I think a lot of questions are coming up. That's good. That's 24. And in 126, there's a sequence of God creating the animals and then after that he is mentioned that he created man. In your notes, you mentioned that in Genesis 2, man was created before, in Genesis 2, man was created before the animals. I just wanted to understand, where is that? I mean, the sequence, has it changed in those two? No, it must be a problem with my notes, not the Bible. Okay. Sorry, where is it? My notes. I'll check it. But thanks for pointing it out. Sure. Man is created before animals. Oh, yeah, animals. Well, actually, it was the same day. They were both created on the same day. Right. Let me see. Oh, Genesis. Okay. Yeah, I'll correct it. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Fine. So, you can think about these things. We will take questions again next class. So what they're going to do now is, yeah, we will take a break next week. I'm going to, our goal is to cover, you know, how science tells us about the origin of life. Today we discuss, okay, what the Bible tells us about the origin of life and some questions on it. Good discussion. Next week, science is saying this is how life came. You know, so we look at the evolutionary biology aspect of it. What are the two big questions? Like it's already in your notes. And the big bang, how they say the origin of the cosmos, how that happened. So we'll try to understand it and try to say, okay, so what is our response to it? And then we'll take up some more questions in relation to these two aspects, which are, I think some people asked today about fossils. So one of the quote-unquote evidence is for evolution and the evolutionary process is fossils. Even Darwin used that as one of his basis, of his arguments. So how do we respond to that? And the information coming to us through fossils. And then how do we respond to the information on the age of the universe? I mean, I've already, we already discussed it, but you know, when they say, okay, there's all this dating mechanisms, how do we respond to it? So I'm going to try to complete, you know, all of that next week in those two hours. And then what we want to do is we want to then move on into other subjects on apologetics, which would be the next immediate subject is the Bible itself. How do we know the Bible is authentic? How do we know the Bible is accurate? How do we know the Bible is reliable? Where did it come from? Or how did it come to us? So we start talking about the scriptures itself. And then we kind of go into other aspects, but I think it's okay if we take, you know, maybe another tour, even three hours on this aspect of creation so that we understand how to respond to questions that come our way. Okay. So thank you for joining with me. I hope you're, you know, you're taking something back with you. Let's wrap up. I would request somebody just to close in prayer, please. Yeah, come on. Thank you for what has been thought further as we ponder through the scripture and think through these questions. Father, we pray that your spirit aligns us to the understanding that we should know. Father, we thank you for all that we could read through for your word and for all the knowledge for what has been taught. We give you glory, Lord. We thank you. We ask this in Jesus' name. Amen. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for your patience. We'll come through this one. Okay. God bless. Have a good day. Not every meeting again in 10 minutes. Okay. Bye now. See you in 10 minutes.