 And that's the presence that people feel with the Course in Miracles that I felt and certainly when I picked it up, I mean I would pick up lots of books and I could pretty much flip through the book and just to start to discern where the author was coming from, what were some of the underlying assumptions and beliefs of the author of a book. Now with the Course, when I picked up the Course, I lost my breath. I had lost my breath entirely and I just could barely utter, you know, three or four words. Who wrote this Course? And it was like a stunning feeling. And then before I could even think of an answer, a feeling washed over me and it was like the author is not in this world. There is no author of this book in this world. It was like a transcendent author and that was a powerful experience. That's the first book I picked up where I went through the whole book and I felt like the author was not in time and space.