 Hi everyone, my name is John Hammond. A few people have asked for my opinion on the E-Learn security and INE shift That happened a few weeks ago, so I would respond to those comments Saying that my response is generally positive But I wanted to make a more formal video to kind of a I guess publicly publicly is not the right word But I just have something standalone to address that so That's what this video is So if you haven't heard the news E-Learn security announced a change in their business and I guess training model, right? So they have teamed up with INE and they now offer the cyber security pass So that means that all of the training and all of the courses that E-Learn security used to offer are now accessible and available Through INE on a different subscription model So originally you could just purchase a course off of E-Learn security and all of the training and all the exams all the labs Everything would be included within that it was in E-Learn security now With the cyber security pass the training is provided by INE You'll still take the exam and the actual like culmination the capstone test of the course Within E-Learn security and E-Learn security is just a certifying body now and they will give you the certification Now this had made for a little bit of a hullabaloo in I don't know the community buzz lately. So You guys know me, right? I love E-Learn security. I would I would shout from the rooftops I was singing their praises and I am a big fan of the stuff that they do um Obviously myself included and some other members of the community would would raise an eyebrow as to what this change is and what it does My reaction. My response is generally actually positive now Disclaimer right before you grab your pitchforks and start flaming or anything. Uh, No, I am not being paid to make this video No one has asked me or told me to put this video out I just kind of wanted to offer my fresh take Because some people I guess are interested in that for some reason I know a lot of folks might not agree with me and that's totally cool I am understanding of that and I'm happy for you to please voice your opinions your concerns Your whatever you think down in the comment section. I'm happy to hear from you And we can absolutely discuss it if that's what you're into Um, anyway, whatever here's what has changed So you used to be able to go buy one course from e-learn security and that was sold as its own standalone thing With the i&e change and the cyber security pass. What that means is every single one Literally all of the e-learn security courses are now available At the price of two thousand dollars now that number Is I think what has poked some of the buttons and and and pushed some buttons for some people I don't think that number is all too staggering because I did the math But but we'll get into that later, right? I want to address and I want to do a couple different things in this video. Um, I guess At a high level I want to talk about for one thing the value of this, right? I think the good stuff for the cyber security pass and then of course the Concerns and the drawbacks, uh, and I and I want to touch on the concerns first because a lot of people are going crazy And I don't think we need to be all that alarmist So a couple different perspectives, right first. Let's talk about us original e-learn security homeboys Why would we want to switch to i&e when we have this E-learn security platform that we really really like and it has all this good stuff for us So here's the thing You don't have to e-learn security is still there, right? I don't think they've really ever been about forcing someone into change or forcing someone to do something e-learn security You can still access all of your labs all the courses that you own and go through the slides and go watch the videos You can still access the forum It's all still there and you can access it if you really prefer e-learn security And there's nothing wrong with that But we've got to move into the mindset that e-learn security and i&e are one they they are together Some folks have been using the phrase that e-learn security got bought out by i&e and I really really don't like that They like now because of this whole thing They're using something like that that's a little bit of a negative connotation at least in my mind I just like that i&e has been a parent company of e-learn security for like a A year and a half or something now like they've always been part of the logo at least from whenever I've seen and interacted with them But whatever sorry, that's just me off on the side. That's not important More of the concerns right Us original e-learn security homeboys We can still access e-learn security and we can use it if you really want to The other side of that coin is are the folks that haven't yet gotten into Getting certifications through e-learn security and going through this training So their Point is that hey what happens to us folks that want to get into this that want to do the cyber security thing But we can't afford two thousand dollars. Let me note that that is one Part of the conversation right there. I think there's a difference between Someone who literally can't afford that much it is impossible Or someone who can't afford that but just doesn't want to because it feels expensive So we'll get into that latter one in a little bit, but for the people that Can't afford this it's just too much two thousand is too steep There is a solution for you there is There is a thing that is really really great about all this and that is the i&e starter pass Now that's different from the cyber security pass and it does a couple different things right So the i&e starter pass will give you access to a hundred and fifty Different videos and sample training values like different material and resources Across all of the different paths included in i&e's training Obviously that includes your cyber security stuff the stuff that we really want to get into And it's totally free So Included in that starter pass and this is awesome This is kind of what we were all going for because a lot of those folks that say I want to get into this Are the ones that are wanting to take that EJPT exam or the eLearn security junior penetration testing exam And that pts or penetration for testing student course now you might remember We were originally able to get access to this pts course for free through the ethical hacker network And anyone out there on the internet could totally access The bare bones addition of that course and that was kind of the the smallest sliver of the pie that you could get where I it didn't I don't think it included labs Uh, I think it had some I don't think it included videos and it wasn't the exam itself either But it was a portion and a good part of the course so you could have access to it completely free Comes along the i&e starter pass Now you can get that pts course that eJPT Information and that really the training that you want for free At what was originally and what I guess we traditionally know of as the elite rendition where you have all of the Slides and videos and resources you have all of the lab time that you want unlimited lab time And it's completely free Granted you don't have the exam in that free rendition with the i&e starter pass But if you wanted to get the exam, that's only 200 dollars for me learn security That is the course that is the has the lowest exam price and all the other exams now with this new model with the cyber security pass Are just 400 dollars Which is Honestly really cheap in my opinion So anyway, that is the i&e starter pass and that includes small snippets of all of the paths But no full access to any course you get pts elite for free with unlimited lab time everything And that's pretty great. I think for free That is a really something you can latch on to if that 2000 if that hurdle is a little too high for you to jump over That cyber security pass is meant to kind of hey solve that problem and still have you the customer in mind, right? So now let's get to the other side of that conversation where say an individual Could pay the 2000 dollars and they just don't want to because hey that seems expensive That's a little bit of a tall order for a person like them. That's just too much for What they want to pay for training What you have to keep in mind here is that this is access To all of the e-learn security courses all of the cyber security paths and in addition to that It'll include I guess their it essentials And their development path. All right, so let's like take a quick second here. Uh, let's get nerdy, right? Let's do some math I'm gonna hop into a little python interpreter and let's just say right. Let's let's get b python open We have all e-learn securities cyber security courses and there are 14 of them, right? There are 14 e-learn security cyber courses and they are all available for 2000 dollars, right? If we were to take that number of courses And if we were to sell them at a rate that maybe any other certifying body might Actually produce their courses with and you know me like I love Offensive security. I love sands. I like ec council sometimes Everyone has a place everyone has a has a niche that they're trying to work into and they do a great job of doing that Offensive security, right really dives into in deeps and do red team stuff E-learn security does red team also does a little bit of blue team also does purple team And now with this thing we could be diving into network and cloud and dev Like all this other cool stuff Let's zoom in only on these cyber courses right now And if we were to sell all of them for maybe a potential price that another certifying body might put out We've got $21,000 Right put them for another price that another certifying body might put out and that could be up to $100,000 Which is whack right now We're going to get all that for 2000 which is super duper good If you want to guess like get the percentage of that that's that's 2 percent of that potential number So let's get in those dev courses as well So the dev path that you could end up getting when you purchase that cyber security path that will give you 21 of those dev courses and same thing with those it essentials right the essential courses have 106 In those so let's put those numbers together. Let's say our cyber courses with our dev courses With our essentials courses All together right you have 141 videos or courses sorry that you are buying And we're going to buy them for a flat rate of $2,000 awesome Again sold at potentially another price where you're buying each one individually for a specific number that will Very very much go up and obviously I might be blowing this out of proportion here Some of these aren't going to be these absurd crazy numbers But I hope that sort of drives the point home in that All of the things that you gain access to with the unlimited lab time with the streamlined and guided process of learning That is an awesome value. Holy cow I think that's great. Let me get back to like real talk with john here. Let's get back to the me screen for some reason Folks might be Comparing this to other options out there, right? Obviously there are fantastic war games and online activities It'll help you learn and they're built to be training material, right? You've got try hack me over here in a corner You've got to hack the box over another corner You've got like the pentester labs or vhl or plenty of these other things where you could be taking your time to I need to drive point. I need to drive home the point that These are different things so With i&e e-learn security you're going to end up getting A guided like structured and streamlined learning process where it's going to be much much scattered in different places And some of those other online war games that are like sure a tenth of a price or a fifth of the price They do different things if you want to learn how to exploit a Off-the-shelf wordpress server with some vulnerable plugins and credentials Lying out in open and publicly accessible text file. Those are great and i'm not i'm not I'm not saying that to bash on any of them. I'm not throwing shade, but I wanted emphasize That these are like comparing apples and oranges. They're just different you get different value and Getting the certification with this is is really what you want to end up doing right so going through this training and pairing that is One great outlet. Okay. That's enough of me ranting on that regard And it will show you a bit of the platform. Honestly, I think this new presentation is beautiful It's really really streamlined it kind of as I was saying sure structured and guided etc But you might be used to kind of the e-learn security side where you have this little hub And you can click around to get into your labs You can go to any resource you might need to with the navigation But with the new cyber security pass on the ine side of the house You can click into that cyber security path in that section or go explore take a look at some of the other different networking Data science and other categories you could zoom into and you could scroll through and kind of maybe find what you're interested in Or you could search and specifically say hey I want to get into exploit development or I want to do maybe strictly penetration testing Maybe in the windows realm and you could go ahead and click on your course kind of get into whatever you're working on and all of this Is linear. It's beautiful. So Whatever path you might be zooming in on you get back into your module And everything all of your slides all the videos all the labs that you need to click into you Just kind of keep scrolling down and you can see literally like up a vertical breakdown of what you're working through And obviously hey full screen your slides do what you got to do Spinning up a lab is super duper easy. You just click into it hit the go button And then you'll get the vpn access as you need it'll create credentials for you So you never have to worry about those ever again, which I am super grateful for So I'll be honest. I think I love this layout in this presentation I think it makes for a really nice kind of streamline learning experience. So kudos for that I might not have done the best job of Wrapping this all and encapsulating it in this video, but I really wanted to show Some of the actually good value that comes of this. It's not all doom and gloom that some folks are making it out to be um elearn security produced uh frequently asked questions page or an faq and that has a lot of good stuff in there And I would recommend if someone is interested in this take a look in there Just to kind of get a better understanding of the shift in this change But I think it is for the better. I think The access that you get is is incredible At that at that price. I think that's a reasonable thing and actually really really great considering all of the information All the training resources all the material that you get Was it uh a rough start or a rocky takeoff, right? I mean, yeah I think so and we saw obviously it drew it drew up a lot of noise And maybe it could have been maybe done in a different way. I mean the the starter pass, right? That's that's incredible All this information you can get for free That may have been a a better thing to push out and or in publicize with the banner and fanfare and trumpets and all first Um, and I think elearn security and irony are are taking that on the nose But they are putting this all together So that us right the community all of us that want to learn all of us that want to grow Uh It's for all the right reasons elearn security and irony still have I think us at heart Like it's not like they're turning their back on the customers and I hate to see folks Just kind of badmouthing them because they they've got to you know run a business. They've got they've got to do their thing Elearn security I think from what I understand it even did like b2b business prior with an annual subscription model and That price was $4,000. So I think taking it they really Took it down they cut it 50 percent and uh Just trying to make things best for Us in the community and all of us that want to learn So I really do think this is a positive thing. I I see the value in it. I think doing the math really actually helps and hopefully your understanding of what Great stuff can come out of this and I think it's a good move so look Listen I I don't want to bring this out and it have it look like oh It's an ad or some advertisement for elearn security and irony like you you got to understand. I'm only one dude I'm only one guy and I try to come to you with my unbiased self and Not leaning towards one entity or the other because I do love and see A good place and a good position for everyone in our industry and everyone in the community and all that we do in the In the training realm And I've said offensive security does incredible stuff sands does incredible stuff elearn security does incredible stuff And this change is I think a good thing and gives us more to play And work with and that's great and I'll and I'll give them a thumbs up for that. So I don't know how to end this video Hey, uh, I guess I could just roll with the outro and we'll call it but I do want to hear from you I do want to know what you think I I hope that I was able to shine a little bit more of a positive light on this And I hope some folks kind of resonate and see that just as well but If you did like this video and you want to see more stuff like this I have some reviews on the elearn security penetration testing student exam and that course and that training I have a Stuff on the ptp or the certified professional penetration testing one and a lot of stuff that they do in the realm of cyber security So please don't hesitate. Go check those out. I'd love to see you hit the like button the comment the subscribe All those things and I'm just grateful for you for tuning in and watch. So I hope this was good I hope maybe you had some value and I and I hope We uh, enjoyed this. This is great and honestly my opinion I I'm very happy with this and it's a positive reaction from me. So Thanks for watching everybody. I'll see you in another video. Take care