 different people il exploserek this about it subscribe cop it is more than that do you need is a dictatorship and that's why i'm here I would still be in my country and I will still be with my family. But the dictatorship of HLM has made some of us to be running away so that here we can be talking. If I were in my country, I wouldn't have this opportunity to talk. I am here because I am scared of being arrested. There I can't talk. The only way I can live in Zambia and live okay with my family is when I stop talking. If I want to talk, I mean then I shouldn't be with my family. I should be in jail. And that's why I have refused to be God. That's why I am here. And that's why I am talking because some of you were saying you see your friends, you see they are not talking. Pamela Goldwell are not talking. You are busy talking. I am not going to keep quiet. I didn't come here for holiday. You have to get that into your hands. I didn't come here for holidays. I will continue talking. And I will be talking every day except tomorrow because I am going for an activity that I have been invited. So tomorrow I am not talking. But the dictatorship of Hakka in the HLM is a big problem. So because of this, even now let's now talk about this debt structuring itself. This debt structuring that you are celebrating. I don't know what you are celebrating about. I have said it is good. You know when you have a debt and then somebody says no, Naqpera ko grace period. Naqpera ko grace period so much and then you can pay in a longer period. That is good. That is good. But you see when you are talking about national matters it is not about Hakka in the HLM. It is about the entire country. So to start with such issues must be very transparent where we all understand Apatule Land and Alai Sulama phones I will open the phone lines. I want any of you who knows the details of the negotiations that have been going on. What are the details? What are the terms and conditions of this agreement? Because every agreement comes with terms and conditions. So what are the terms and conditions? We have been asking about this for a long time and Hakka in the HLM has not dared to share that. But this involves the nation involves the Zambian people. You should have been told to say these are the terms and conditions. This is what we are agreeing to. But you don't know I am going to open phone lines and I am challenging anyone to call in and tell us if you know the details this date is structured in agreement that has been reached. Do you know the details? Do you know the details? And you see they say the devil is in the details. The devil is in the details. It may come out very nicely outside but number one I am asking you I am calling upon you especially you pressing us who are supporting this I am calling upon you to say can you stop for a moment and think do I know the details Do I know the details of this agreement? Do you know? Me I don't know What are the agreements? What are the agreements? What are they agreed? Of course part of these agreements we can guess them. Part of these agreements are the agreements such as giving away the minds giving away part of our national assets these are part of the agreement these are part of the agreement some of these things that you are seeing like what you are seeing at KCM what you are seeing at Kasenseli and whatever whatever these are some of the agreements but to what extent we don't know to what extent we don't know so much as you are celebrating to say you are winning a date restructuring of 3.5 billion you might be losing much more and by the way it is not being forgiven this is just an extension of the time under which we have to pay it is not a right of it is not a right of but we might be losing something much more 3.5 what is 3.5 billion what is 3.5 billion if we are going to lose some of our big assets as a nation what is 3.5 we would rather if it is copper we would rather dig that copper and pay off the debt than we give copper we give these mines to people and they make much more and at the end of the day we still have to pay 3.5 the details the details my brothers and sisters what are the details the next point is the issue of you are celebrating to say now we are going to have money now we are going to have money how can they tell you this or instead of servicing the debt now we are going to do this now we are going to do this now we are going to do this because we are not going to servicing the debt my brothers and sisters I want you to know that since UPND came into power they have not been servicing the debt they have not been servicing the debt they haven't been servicing the debt so with these 2.5 years that they have done without servicing the debt they would have done something they would have done something because they haven't been servicing the debt this debt that they have been negotiating There was a freeze as they were discussing until they have reached an agreement. Now that they have reached an agreement, now they will have to start paying. According to the little that I've seen on the UPND blogs, on the UPND blogs, they are saying three years grace period and 20 years repayment. So, two and a half years, they haven't been paid, they haven't done anything. How do you expect them that now they are going to do something in the next three years because they have a three years grace period. And that three years grace period, I don't know if it starts 2021 or it starts today, I don't know. But most likely it starts 2021. So maybe we are talking about 2021, 2022, 2023. Maybe we might just have one year. But I'm sure these years that are passed are going to be considered, they have been considered as well. So, where we are coming from, they have not been paid but haven't done anything. So how do you expect that they are going to do whatever they are going to talk about because what kind of treatment is going to build mountains out of this. But the question that I'm asking, I don't know you are listening, I know. So even as you are listening, so that tomorrow even when you are listening to me, you have this in your minds to say, what this man has been saying is it truthful or not? They have increased the budget You know, by PF, their budget was basically very low Their budget was basically, I think they were talking about 120 less than As they were leaving, their budget was 120 billion That was their budget by PF Now, by PF, so by UPND, when they came into power They increased the budget to about 170 billion quattro You see, by PF, their budget was about 120 That was the highest, 2021 Their budget was about 120 billion in 2021 By UPND, immediately they came in Their budget was, was to about 170 billion Now, with by PF, all of us, and less, whatever, whatever Now, by PF, we are able to see what PF used to do We are able to see Out of 120 billion quattro We are able to point at a number of infrastructure that were being done We are able to point to a number of things that were happening Including people having liquidity In other words, people having money in the pockets At least we had money in PF But since these guys came in They are not paying debts They even increase the budget What do they have to show for it What do they have? They have nothing to show for it Including women who are pricing You also don't have money By PF, they used to have money By PF, they were building houses They were buying expensive vehicles They were travelling There was money in the country Now these people, they were not paying debt They increased the budget But there is no money in the economy There is nothing that they can point at They are not doing roads They are not building nothing They were even talking about this road In dollar due courage way They were talking about the dollar due courage way There was so much excitement about that road It is quiet It is quiet In dollar due courage way What is happening What is happening And then there is people Apart from that, now around the finger to finger In terms of fiscals Now around the finger to finger I am adding the first thing that I have spoken about Is that they have not been paying debt The number two I have spoken about Is that they increased the budget Number three These people, since they came into power They were talking about PF borrowing When PF were living government They left the debt at about 13.5 billion dollars That is why they left the debt These people, since they came into power They have borrowed over 5 billion Within two and a half years PF left a debt of 13.5 billion And we could see what they did with that money We can see the ring road We can talk about the other roads that have been done We can talk about the bridges We can talk about the schools We can talk about the health facilities Which made the HRM to employ Those health workers and teachers Because they built those schools But for them, on this side Two and a half years They have borrowed over 5 billion Over 5 billion dollars they have borrowed And I am challenging Bamso Kotwane To come and give a statement To give a statement to say This is how much we have borrowed I want them to come out And refute this figure I want them to come out and refute this figure They are borrowing And you see They are crooks You see that PF They were borrowing money on the financial market Where we could all see But this guy is the way they are borrowing the money They are borrowing it in a clever way How are they doing it? They are releasing bonds At high interest At high interest And foreigners are coming to buy those bonds Because some just don't have money They don't have any bonds I am sure I don't Out of the people that I am talking to right now I think it might be 0.2 Who may even understand about the issues of bond And let alone to even invest in bonds A country releases bonds But it is not a bond Where you buy It is not a bond You give money and then At high interest I think it is not a bond I think it is not a bond I think it is not a 10-pin I think it is not a 15-pin But it is a mandate I think it is not a 10-pin I think it is not a 10-pin I think it is not a 15-pin It is a bond But basically it is not a bond It is not a 10-pin I think it is not a bond We are not investing in business It is not a bond It is not a bond But Zambia has been releasing bonds with high interests irmi ʻʻwitch ʻhia ʻab ὀi dρα ʊ drakt wa ʻ看 wa ʻwil ʻτʻome ὀi tʃşum nʻiki ʸinʸ concentration ʻla ʻ​lą jel ʻja w'엔ʻi maʻing vaim. ʻp� vom pq obt laws. ʻForm wise laws phonely ఇరినినిఆయరసిందిక seresపరనిందిందింద౿ఉసందిందిందిందిక౿ని. మారెచ్చ్క్సికోరిస్త్సికానితారినినూదిందినిత్ంది. So instead, they are floating bones, when they float those bones, foreigners come by those bones And as they are doing that, as they are doing that Instead of going into the economy because bones also help to put money into the economy When that money comes and it is borrowed by government What happens is that you and I will not be able to have access to money to borrow You will not have access In business, you need to borrow In business, you need to borrow And if there is no money to borrow, your business becomes very difficult And those of our business, they understand what I am talking about They understand the frustration of not having access to money Or having access to money which is very expensive When these things are happening This is how even the cost of living becomes expensive When money, there is no money in the economy to borrow And the money that is there Because the government is borrowing the money What is happening is that these business people When they are accessing that money at high interest What they are doing is now to increase whatever they are selling They could be selling chefs, they could be selling food They could be selling many meals They could be selling fertilizer They could be selling seeds They could be selling medicines These things become expensive And you might not understand Where is this coming from? Where is this coming from? It is coming from the fact that Government is borrowing from the local market And they have increased bonds But how are they looking here? High interest So everything becomes a challenge Even the dollar is affected like that I hope I hope This is the best that I can do to break it down for you The point that I am trying to make here Is that we cannot be celebrating this debt restructuring We can't celebrate it Because already what we have seen is not inspiring Because these people Number one, they have not been servicing the debt Number two, they have even increased their budget Number three, these people have been borrowing money To an extent that they are now owing over 5 billion I am challenging to come and talk about this How much have they borrowed since they came into power?