 I think there's nothing wrong with the pursuit of material wealth. I just think it shouldn't be at the expense of your happiness and your peace. Peace being the ultimate success. Good afternoon and welcome back to the First Time Homebuyer Show. I'm your host, Estie Clarkson. This evening's shoot is in the absolutely gorgeous Bertrand Jazz Lounge. Thank you so much to Bertrand and his team for hosting us. It's an amazing place to come. This is definitely the place you want to be for live music, good people and amazing entertainment. And without further ado, we all know him from our favorite show idols. He's also now the co-host of the new property game show Proverb the One and only joins me live this week Wednesday at 8 p.m. That's on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube. Take care. This is a show you do not want to miss. We'll see you there. Hey, this is Proverb and you're watching the First Time Homebuyer Show with Estie Clarkson. Good evening and welcome back to the First Time Homebuyer Show. I'm your host, Estie Clarkson. Thank you to everyone who tunes in every Wednesday night. If it's your first time, welcome. Please stay with us. We have amazing content coming to you every weekday this week. We've got Zaman Tunguakumalo. What's the private property podcast? And of course, we've got Mbali. Yesterday was our 100th episode. That's the farming podcast. And Chad Baviros travels around Johannesburg and Cape Town were looking at amazing houses. Chad Baviros comes to you with the Home Shopper Show. That's every Monday and Friday at 8 p.m. And of course, I come to your screens every Wednesday evening chatting to amazing guests where we share the journeys and the stories and the leaps of faith that we took to get into the property industry. That's every Wednesday evening. But without further ado this evening, everything I'm doing now, I am under so much pressure because this evening I have an absolutely amazing guest. If you have not guessed it yet, or if you haven't seen on our social media pages, the one and only, absolutely amazing man, Prove of himself, please introduce the show. Oh, wow, you are so kind. Thank you for that intro. So what is it, the first time Home Buy a Show? Yes, we're live every Wednesday evening at 8 p.m. No, I can't do it. You need to do it. Indeed. Listen, I can't follow what you have done. I'm just privileged and happy to be here. Thank you so much for joining and for actually, you know, taking time out of your busy schedule. I know you're a very busy man. And I know that we brought you here to share your property journey, because, you know, I also come from an entertainment background and studied drama, mastered the art actually. And it is an intimidating, daunting, scary industry to be in. And I love, I read something that you said that you cannot only trust that entertainment industry. You need other kind of realms to, you know, put your finances to make these investments. So before I even get to any of these questions, tell us a little bit about your own personal property journey. Right. So just to sort of continue on your thought there, I believe we need to always diversify, you know, in everything we do, not just investments, but we are dynamic human beings. Our interests vary. So why shouldn't our income streams vary as well? Why shouldn't our sort of lifestyles vary as well? You know, so I think in terms of, you know, my interest in property, it was of that very thinking. To say, you know, my interests extend beyond entertainment, but also it was born of a need to not only diversify, but to have alternative income streams as well. And you're obviously slowly but surely building your property portfolio. Sure. And how has that journey been for you thus far? It's been a very rewarding one. One because I actually got into property before I started learning about it. Oh, wow. You know, so I made plenty mistakes along the way. I still make lots of mistakes along the way, but what is most fruitful about the journey for me is how much I learn as I go and also, you know, how many other people I get to me who are also interested in property, who I get to learn from, which is why when you send the invitation, I gladly took it because I knew there's an opportunity to pick up some more gems and improve my own property journey. Even just listening to you talk just before the show, I literally see you light up at all these new facts you learn every day from different people. And that's amazing. I mean, just being the host of the show, listening to personal stories and journeys that people share, I'm just like, wow. And I love that you actually said you learn a lot every day, but you also learn about yourself in this journey. So I don't even want to know about the mistakes you've made in your property portfolio, but what have you learned about yourself during your property journey? I have learned that I think I have a degree of grit. I have learned that I am calculated. And bear in mind, I'm substituting calculated because the word I actually want to use is, I'm a little bit of a coward. Right. You know what I mean? Oh, wow. So my appetite for failure isn't where it should be. So because of that, I'm very calculated about the moves that I make in my life, but also in my journey in property. You know, so I think thoroughly, I do a lot of research before I finally make a move. I consult a lot. I ask a lot. I get a lot of information. And this for me has made me discover that I'm actually quite a calculated person. I'm quite a reserved investor, but this has served me well. Right. And I mean, you think that being in the entertainment industry, right? And going to auditions or doing whatever we do, we get rejected all the time. Of course. So you think that like failure and rejection is something we're used to as people in the industry, but it's different when rejection and failure and your money is attached to it or investments that, yeah. I also think we should separate and differentiate failure and rejection. I think in my mind, I think rejection is something that's informed by an external force. Right. Whereas failure is something that, you know, you can self-sabotage by being ill-informed and making a decision without having all adequate information. Yeah. And that's why it's so important to do the research. You're so right. Listen, I'm a big believer in books, in reading and doing short courses and watching YouTube clips and engaging on platforms like these and watching this particular show. You know, you can never have too much information. True. Where would you like to see your property portfolio go and grow? Where, what's your end goal? You know, the only reason that question is particularly interesting is because you're asking me that now. Okay. So if you had asked me this question, say two years ago, I had a number where I wanted to see my property portfolio. I wanted the magic and the sweet spot to be this because this is the kind of income I wanted to generate from it and I wanted to live off of it. But I'm kind of at a place where, you know, so I did a course in property. I also did a course in investment management and from that course I learned to not put all my eggs in this one basket from an investment point of view. So my interests even though are primarily in property but I've also grown beyond the property as well. So for now, I'm satisfied with where my portfolio is and I just want to cast my net a little bit wider from an investment point of view. I love that you said that you're satisfied. You're content with where? For sure. Yeah. For sure. That's amazing. I already, you know, we've had Sylvia on the show. All right. Yeah, who you, you know, co-host with with the property game show. And I literally saw a few episodes and literally at the end of every episode, the two of you do a lot of self-work. You talk a lot about personal development. Yeah, personal development. That's the one. And so I want to, if possible, if we can, if we can share some of your own personal development. Yeah, but what do you mean? Oh, 100%. So it's interesting because personal development is a big thing that I'm on that journey right now. So both formally, informally, I'm really studying. I'm doing a lot of self-empowerment. I've registered with Regenesis Business School, doing a BBA right now. The long-term goal is to do an MBA. I don't know how long it'll take, but it doesn't matter one course at a time, I say. And for me, that's really important, man. And I'm a late bloomer in many respects, you know. But I'm 40 years old and I'm only now honestly appreciating the value of knowledge, of information, of education. And so I'm sort of at the closer to the middle end of my life, call it the midlife crisis, and it's coming in the form of seeking information and personal empowerment. That's the best form, I think. There you go. Yeah, that's amazing. We're going to get into some of the questions some of our viewers, followers have asked us. Can I throw out the disclaimer? Sure, please do, please do. So I am no property expert by any stretch of the imagination. I'm glad you mentioned Sylvia because she definitely is. And also, there are many which I may not know. But I'm hoping if somebody does, please share because I would then like to know. And if you happen to know, please teach me. So, you know, we've gotten some questions from our followers at home. And of course, Pro at the end of the show gets to choose a lucky winner walks away with 500 grand cash. So the first question, right? The name will pop up at the bottom of the screen. So I'm not going to mention every single name. Proverb, is there a good season, do you think, to sell or purchase property? Oh, for sure, I think. And by season, I'm certainly hoping we're referring to like the economy, the timeline. I think when the economy is performing poorly and fortunately ours is one such an economy where it goes up and down. I think if that's on the back heels, I think that then becomes a buyer's market. And I think the inverse is also true where the economy is performing very well, then it becomes a seller's market. So again, depending on now which investment strategy we're using, if it's to sort of buy and resell or to flip property, then that's the kind of thing you want to look out for. Then also things like if an area is getting, you know, gentrified, then you definitely want to get in there and you happen to have this information early because then you know that your investment is going to grow in value. So there's a possibility of great return there. And I think, you know, information is always your best tool. And anything that you know in advance, you can use to your advantage, do you know what I mean? So yeah, those are, that's at least my initial thoughts from that one. Look at you. No, you got this, no, we're going to continue. Okay, so this is actually quite a, I mean I'd go for all three, but this is the next question, right? What is best advisable to buy land, build your own property or just to buy a home that's already there ready? Oh wow, and I see now why you would say you would go for all three because I don't actually think there's a right or wrong answer, you know. I think the circumstances, you know, are all dependent. For instance, if you have great relationship with a construction company or you run one yourself then obviously buying land makes better sense. If there's a dilapidated property and there's opportunity to add value then it makes sense to get one that's standing in as is. If your strategy is to get a tenant in there ASAP and you wanted food students, you don't want to do any kind of work, then obviously a fully developed property where you just, you know, turnkey makes perfect sense as well. So the circumstances maybe influence it, but all of those are correct. Yeah, I think the answer is what do you want? What do you want? What are you in it for? What's your strategy? What's your end goal? Exactly. There you go. Love that. We've got this. So far so good. Let's bring those questions. Okay, so this is a first time home buy question actually. Where should I go to get adequate information that will help me make the right decision before purchasing? Oh, sure. Listen, I think there's opportunities to engage with the property investment mentors. There's multiple courses everywhere, whether it's online. I myself did a short course with, may I mention the institution with UCT. UCT, yeah, yeah. You know, but I would say you're thinking the right way by looking to get informed before you make a decision. So by all means, where you get it from is irrelevant, but it's about getting the information first. So do the research, read up, get books. There's multiples of them. There's all sorts of mentors. There's online information, there's YouTube clips even. I would get all that information first and then make an informed decision. Is Sylvia your mentor? Sylvia is sort of informally so because I learned so much from her. But having said that, I think many people are my mentors. I think if you're not careful, you might be my mentor too. Because anyone I can learn from, you know. Yeah, I sponge as much info as I can. That's true. Yeah, I think I'm gonna make you mine since you're answering all the questions correctly. So I like this as well. How has buying and investing in property change your perspective on finances? It's a two-part question. So I'm gonna finish there and then carry on. For me, it's given me a greater appreciation of the long-term goal versus instant gratification. You know, I think if you have capital now, it looks lacker in your bank account, you know. But if you sort of invest it in property, you enjoy rental income and you realize that it's a long-term game, that serves you even better. If anything, the sub-pandemic and outbreak has honestly proven that theory to the T. You know, because there was a time the gig economy was completely shut down, we were getting nowhere, we weren't allowed to leave our homes, but to sit there and enjoy passive income from your properties for me was such a blessing. You know, so that's what it's taught me about money. And I feel like everyone, and I love how he said perspective on finances, how it's changed. Then he says, a car or a house first, and why? You know, it's relative, and I'm gonna be careful with this answer. Okay. Obviously, the long-term benefits of buying property first will always be greater. However, if you need a car to help you generate this income that's gonna help you get property. So again, it's to the individual. Yeah. What do you need? What do you need? What a benefit you right now. But of course, property will always trump, you know, a luxury item. Of course. If a car is that for you. The beauty also, depending on how you skin this cat, is the property can help you buy this car. Of course, exactly. I think, you know, because this question is asked often, a car or a house. Yeah, yeah. I've been so hesitant to get a car. Not, you know, financially I'm ready, I can't afford it, but I'm just like, I don't need it. Working from home has made it, I don't need it. And just to tie it back to the statement I had made in the beginning, where I said I had made many mistakes. I'm overly personal with property. Oh, wow. So when I go to a viewing, I always ask myself, would I live here? Right. And that's a mistake. Right. Because you need to detach, separate yourself, cannot be too precious. One investment strategy, which is student accommodation. I have kept very far away from that, because I convinced myself that students will throw parties in here, they're gonna ruin it. And you wanna know a response to that? Yeah. So, what? Yeah. Do not get too attached, is the mistake I make. Okay. Do you understand? It's my mistake. And I've learned as I've engaged with other property investors, you say, step out of it. A little bit, yeah. Just don't make it, make it personal. It's a business. It's an investment strategy. Do not get emotionally attached, otherwise you'll make an informed decisions. Are you able to fully do that, like now? I think I'm definitely getting there. Okay. I'm still somebody who is very particular about the where, about the why, about the market I'm trying to appeal to. But since learning it, I think I now go into a viewing and I make a decision knowing that this is my weakness. Right. So I try and be aware of it and combat it. Right. Property is actually quite emotional. And it shouldn't be, that's the thing. That's the biggest, that's my first issue. Wow, okay. Okay, so we're moving on, we're still halfway there. Wow. Right. So what are the disadvantages? Yeah. Cynthia, didn't even ask about the advantages as well. What are the disadvantages of restructuring a property portfolio? The disadvantages. You know, if I can say the overarching big challenge with property generally, in my mind, is cash flow. Right. Because it's not something you can make liquid as quickly as you sometimes wish. Sometimes if you've got a property and you've got this much value in there, you're not always able to convert that into cash flow as quick as you want, should you want to get another property and so on. For instance, now you speak of liquidizing this one property so that you can get into two. Yeah. But the timeline isn't necessarily up to you. Right. You know, and those for me are present some of the challenges with the property. But otherwise, if it's to restructure a particular portfolio, I imagine that probably means you want to leverage it against the bank or lend against it or something. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. For as long as you have a long-term strategy that's not going to choke you in the end. Right. Okay, so Pro, remember, those were the first five. I'm gonna carry on with the next five and then you have to choose a winner, right? We're giving away 500 and a special little surprise gift in there as well, which is a signed book by Pro himself. Oh, well, there you go. There you go. Pro, you know what? Actually, we were actually talking about this beautiful space we're in. And this is Bertrand Cafe for those watching the show. We were actually just talking about the aesthetics and how we would actually do this to our own. I do it to a space in my house, one of the spaces, maybe like the chill lounge or whatever. But just to remind the viewers, once again, this is Bertrand Cafe. And thank you to Bertrand for letting us shoot and partner with you. And hopefully we can come again soon. It's a beautiful space. Thank you. Very stunning, really. Absolutely beautiful. And you know with Deco, I'm obsessed, man. Really? I never know when to walk away. You know? There's always one extra piece, one item. Oof, just that rug. Just that little thing. Just the, you know, and I need to walk away, walk away, walk away, walk away. Never know when to stop. But it is addictive. Like property. This whole thing is addictive. It is, it is. We're addicts. We're moving to a little, a few questions from Facebook now. So thank you to everyone on Facebook who shared their questions. Remember, we are giving away 500 rand and a little surprise gift. A book, the book of Proverb actually signed by the mogul himself. Oof. The title. Okay. Hey Proverb, what are the top five things that you'd say are important that a person should bear in mind when starting to build their property portfolio? Sure. So I don't know if I can get to five. I'll do my best. Please fill in the rest where I fail. That it's a long-term game. There's about 15 investment strategies. So pick one that works for you, what you wanna do. Make use of a mentor. A mentor can also just be reading a book or signing up for a course or empower yourself. Build relationships. Relationships with your bank, relationship with the financial advisor, relationship with agencies and agents. That will always serve you well. I'll leave you with the fifth one. Personal development. Personal development. I think it's very important here to, and also sharpen your skills of negotiation. Research, very important. Absolutely, done. That is, okay. So we move on. Another question here, okay. Hey Proverb, my question here is, what can a 20-year-old young man start, do to start his property investment journey since unemployment is so high in our country? For sure. Again, and I hate to harbor on the same point, but I think if you take nothing else away from this conversation, it's this. Empower yourself. So get information, get knowledge so that by the time you get into the business, you know exactly which way you wanna skin it. So empower yourself, try and build a decent credit score so that by the time you penetrate the game, you have all the sort of tools and all the weapons that you need to conquer. Yeah, the next question actually, I love that this guy just before, he's saying a 20-year-old man, a very young man. The next question is, what is the appropriate age to start thinking of property? As soon as you can. As soon as you can start to think. Yeah, my kids are really talking about property. Oh really? Yeah, absolutely. What is the chat's like? Well, so they come with me to auctions, they come with me to viewings. If we happen to own the property, they come with me to go and do the inspections every now and again. So it's just to kind of get their mind and their understanding. Also they know it's their inheritance, okay? Right, so they're like, this is mine, we need to take care of it together. No, 100%. So yeah, it's just to get their mind thinking about the long-term game. I like that, I like that. Involve them in the process from there. Absolutely. And that's what generational wealth is. Because now you're teaching them how to do it as well. You said it. We're gone. Last but not least, Hi, pro, my question is, if you are self-employed, are you able to register for a bond or a house? 100%. You just have harder work to do. So you obviously have to ideally get a bookkeeper, somebody who keeps your financials, because chances are you don't get a, what's it called? I'm self-employed myself, by the way, so I don't know all these nine to five terms. You don't get a pay slip. Yes, yes, that's the one. The one we get at the end of every month. There you go. So if you have a bookkeeper, somebody who keeps your financials and the bookkeeping, you can use that to submit to the bank. And if you have any other income streams, you can sort of, or contracts that you have at the time, you can put all those together, collate them and submit them to a banker. That you are receiving some sort of income, and consistently so. Right. We're gonna play a little game. Woo, I love games, let's do it. Okay, so I'm gonna show you three houses that we've been to, and you have to guess the price range. How much info do you give me, like? I'm gonna show you the entire video. Where is it? What do the properties next to it cost? You know, when last was a property sold in that neighborhood and for how much? So I'm here to give you all these clues? Because this is how you arrive at knowing what to offer as a buyer, you know? So these are things I would generally be asking anyway, but let's do our best. No, that's fine. Wow, Prabhu, put me on the spot in my own show. Okay, this is the first video. Oh, it's a video? Yeah. Okay, go on. It even gives you a drone shot. So you'll see, you know, the suburbs and around. Okay, cool. So what's interesting to note is, depending on where the property is located, is a big determining factor of how much you should pay for it. Of course. Or what kind of offer you should put in. So if it's a coastal property, for instance, if it's in an estate, for instance, depending on what is closed by, is it close to amenities, close to schools, highways, shops, all of these things influence the ultimate price. Okay, I like that. So let's get started. This is your first property. Mm, okay. So it's got a pool. Is that the three car garage? Ooh, nice finishes inside. Good decor. Does it come finished or not? Do you know? Very nice. I think it can go for about... Because I saw a golf course there. Chances are it's a golfing estate. So I would offer anything from about 8 bar on that one. Buyagasha. So we're done with the game. Pro has won. Thank you. 8.7. Wow, well done. Okay, now when we have people... I'm not playing anymore. Okay, well done. Cool, thank you. So give me a little bit more. Like you said, what helped you was the golf estate. Yeah, golf estate tells me that it's in a secure estate. There's lots of space as well. I counted about four or five bedrooms. I think the finishes and the materials use inside. The fact that it's a three car parking garage. I didn't see any immediate neighbors there. So you enjoy plenty of space as well. Plus it's got a pool that I saw. Yeah. A pyjama lounge as well. Yeah, I think all of these things sort of determine more or less what you should offer. The offer that you should put in. Yeah. But there's no real signs. You know, especially if you have limited information like I did. So yeah, I think it was just a lucky guess. And it was probably like Smeg appliances. The video was too fast for me to see. Sure. Probably. Okay, next one. Next. No, that looks like, oh, I see an island this time around. A lot smaller. And the video is going faster as well. That's a second bedroom. Oh, okay. Yeah. Clue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a wrap. Okay. So that looks more like a cluster kind of a situation. Yeah. So again, depending on what floor it's on, if it's a ground floor with a garden unit or something or a corner even, it can have a couple of hundred thousands over it. Was that two or three bedrooms? Can you at least tell me that? It seemed okay. Even in the video, I think it's two. Two bedrooms. Okay. So I know you're going to play it low. That's your only clue. Okay. So just like that, based on the size and the finishes that I saw, I would be in the ballpark of around two ball. Ball done. You know what? I just, you know what? Yeah. You're just getting everything right. So, okay, so we have one more. Oh, wait now. Did you see that space, that floor plan? That's an office. One, I saw a gym there too. It's going so quickly. Yes, the day. Upstairs. Yeah. Is that inside? What? That's what you get. No, that's going to be a well-priced property. The video is very quick, but it seemed very generous with space. Okay. So I think we are now getting into the big figures. I don't know. I would even go, again, depending on where we're talking. Okay. But that's closer to like a 20, 25 even. Okay, you can bring it down a little bit. You can one more try. No. I remain, and I'm not hiding behind it now. Okay. But I remain steadfast on the, it depends where it is. Right. No, no deaths. You can build a 10 bedroom mansion, but if it's in a lousy location, you're going to get a lousy price. And the inverse is also true. If you build a moderately decent place in an exquisite location, you can get top dollar for it. So when you see a nice place like that, honestly, this one falls squarely on where it is. So I'm going to stick with my, Your 20. With my 20, I think it's in that sort of ballpark. Okay. So definitely is a higher ballpark. Yeah. It's 14 and a half. 14 and a half. Yeah. Out of interest sake, would you know where it is? Benoni. Close. No, they're kind of a city side. East Rand. East Rand. All right. Well, there you go. So I'm off by a full on six bar. They would have scored on me as a buyer. They would have, they would have, they would have. So listen pro before you leave. I know that we spent, you know, a lot of the time asking the questions of our viewers and our followers at home. But I too have some questions for you. Okay. Okay. So, you know, I want to talk about this thing. Success. Right. And we spoke a lot about personal development and I think the two come hand in hand. How you see success, how you become successful is, I feel really dependent on your own personal growth and personal development. And let me quote Albert Einstein. You know, he says, try not to become a person of success, but to rather become a person of value. With that being said, what would you say? Are the ingredients to success? So this is obviously a very deeply personalized subjective perspective. But I consider success to be peace. And peace means if you are in command of your, the pace of your life, in command of your time, you can invest it the way you wish. You know, you're not at the mercy of clocking in at any sort of given time. You can attend everything that your kids wish you to. Yeah. Sit and watch movies with them all day long. Travel wherever you want, whenever you want. That kind of freedom and peace for me is how I would define success. A lot of what you've just defined, a lot of guests who have been with us in the past defined generational wealth and financial freedom like that. Sure. And I think the most important thing that I've taken from that is just that time that you can spend with your loved ones. Yeah. Whenever you want. Be at any event they want you to be at. And to be at that point in your life, you're so right. This is success. I like that. I just never want to be hostage to the buck. Yeah. And if while I'm sitting here chatting to you, my world is collapsing. And that for me is the inverse of success. Yeah. So how do you continue to nourish or to feed that mindset of success, that mind of peace? Sure. I think I just prioritize myself. Yeah. I try and detach value to all the sort of material things or things that will be keeping me in the rat race. And I just kind of replace and reposition where I put my value. Yeah. You know. So the reason I really, I love to travel a lot with my kids especially is because then you almost yanking yourself out of the system as often as you possibly can. And whether you are instinctively going to your phone, going to your email, going to your, but you are off the wheel. Yeah. You get what I mean? Yeah. And that for me is the beginnings of true success. I asked a few people this question that I'm about to ask you now. Sure. But I feel like I know what your answer is going to be. And they defined, because I asked them what does success mean to you? Yeah. And they were like freedom. Yeah. You know, I couldn't put the two together because to be successful in most cases you're not free to get there. You know, and that's exactly what you're saying to get away from that position of not being free. You know, this whole nine to five kind of thing to be. I do. May I just add something? Because I also know what it always sounds like when you give an answer like that, it always sounds so, oh, you know, you think you're so zen and you found your center and you just self righteous and your checklist and whatever. Yeah. And that is, we all have aspirations of physical wealth. Yeah. You know, we all have our dream car, our dream house, our dream, you know, just material acquisitions. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting those. And it doesn't mean that if that's how you define success, it's any inferior to somebody who says peace or freedom or zen or whatever. Of course, of course. But I think where the difference comes is when you're not hostage to those things. Yeah. So you should be able to achieve happiness, fulfillment, regardless. And those should be a bonus. Yeah. You know, whether I drive a car or whether I am in a horse and carriage or I'm taking the bus. So all in all, I think there's nothing wrong with the pursuit of material, you know, wealth. Yeah. I just think it shouldn't be at the expense of your happiness and your peace. Peace being the ultimate success. Yeah. I like that. Peace being the ultimate success. That might actually just be the title of this episode. Now, my final question to you again. Thank you Bertrand Cafe for hosting us. Absolutely gorgeous venue over here jazz lounge. If you're looking for good vibes, good people, live music, definitely the place to be pro. Thank you so much to you. This is my final question, right? And if you fail, what makes you still worthy? Oh, that's a brilliant question. Um, and it connects very well to the previous thing that I had just said, because peace isn't the absence of challenges and difficulties. Yeah. Peace is ever present regardless of the challenges. So your self worth, your self value, your perspective on life and your happiness shouldn't be affected by successes or failures, whatever that means, you know. So however you define success, if you have peace, you're able to navigate regardless. I say focus on the peace. Exactly. And that's how you also maintain your self worth. 100%. To remain worthy. Indeed. Um, let's use the middle camera. We're going to end the show together, pro. Let's do it. Let's go. Cool. Thank you so much to our viewers at home. As you know, we're live every Wednesday night at 8 PM on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube. Prove of you've been amazing. Thank you so much. This has been such a pleasure and a privilege. And I sincerely hope we can do it again soon. See you guys next week. You know the time. See you there.