 Thank you so much for tuning in for yet another episode of Y254 Unfinished. My name is Karen Jessa and today we are engaging on the topic of exam cheating. So, yes, KCP li patawatu last week nabutua. Yani, they were not expecting the results, but who is the ministry? Yes, they released the exam results na wasuakapata exams zao. But, weh, kuli kwa na question max mahali juu, wasu alipatikano ali cheats, walipata results zao. So, maze, sit back, relax and let's engage. Pale nyumbani head over to our Facebook page, ama Instagram ni Y254 channel. Let us know what's your opinion on these three topics. Karibu. So, recently, exams za 2020 zili toka na, of course, gaveli kam apna. A new policy ikasema kama ulipatikana ali cheats in these exams, the KTPE. Examinas ama invigilators ama principle. Wondo alikwana faku, pa nishiwa, instead of students. Juki tamu ilikwa, students kama me patikana ama a cheats, alikwana pewa x ama y, depending on the level of cheating. But, this time around ali sema, the exam center itself, the whole eternity, that is the teachers, the principal, the invigilator. You saw these children, walu kwa wana cheat ama you had an idea that they had the exam papers already before they were doing this exam. Wewa mwenyo en dutaku wa punished. So, we want to know from you. Do you support this new style of punishing examiners as opposed to punishing the students? Let us know. Shidogo, I mean onelia, I think in Afafu has played kwa sababu. Pia shulene nanda kufundisha mtu morals, you know anna. So, they should also be responsible to, you know, a degree. So, yoku itwa kabisa yote. I don't think inans idea in the long run kwa sababu. You know it will be easy to, nika maku you do something but you don't take care of the responsibility that comes with your actions. So, I don't, maybe they should have at least some degree at a kama si, you know, like ku, at a kama si, you know, getting away the results, you'll find something that's a bit lenient but they should at least go responsible for the actions. I don't support because two parties are involved, the students and the examiners. So, the students should be penalized because they are actually the ones who are involved in cheating and also the examiners because maybe they were a bit not cautious for the students to cheat. So, both partners, sorry, both parties should be penalized. According to me, I don't support your style kwa sababu as we know in Kenya, kuna kitu enye ime MMS, Ekonomi 8, awa makatels. So, as we know students, students don't have that much connection. So, we know students have to be assisted so that they can cheat in the examination because I believe that there are some operators at NEC so our operators don't allow kingi examination because I believe examination is normally sealed. So, you can't tell me as a student in March a bit and as a kujambaka NEC head office, kujia break down kwa izu rooms on a storm piano na kibreke down apu, aibem piano, I don't think so. So, I think kuna makatels na the government should crack a whip the government should crack a whip at those people. So, the big fish comes out as sheque before they reach out to the small people. So, kubidina pili tse mene biyo e exam kuna jo sa ziweine ni monofuun zito kuna planzake so, me shugulika kivike tuwa kapata yo yo mahaji. So, sa ziweine na patatu na muadibu mua limu bila yo kuna makosa ama sa inbidi letter yu sa ziweine na pata wa sa idi ani but kuna cases enye sasuna pata pame usika piya So, kiyanda design kama yo kamba anadibu yo alimu kusipo inbidi letters, yo nisa akin nisa sikila mahali da apply. Kuna kumino ni monofuun zito na kudena planzake tunili. So, aya, sifea bile. Kuna jo sa hatatime kama mechi tukapata e kuna ziweine na kwa yo jobu niko ona itafta kuna yo jobu shinda kudu So, ita bidi yu meji blame urodi tena urodi e tena yo kus na wale wei ni wame pata bidi wana eza kanyu mua kungia kampo kusasa ama jari bukume effort at least a kuna sa but sasa wile mechi e tinda sasa ina bidi kwa ke na kwangumu yu sasa yo ziwe ma max cizake doa me struggle sika mua wile wei me struggle aka pata bidi urodi yu sasa anafatu I do support ma koha situation because kitambo e ma this Kenya have been having issues about examinations ma rahawa reva wa toa me shikwa but we don't see people wame shikwa ma kwa said last night ati, sometime ago ati, e kaisimi tokeleze lakini, awa toa ta shikwa why day you seen them? can you have an action on this because magua is a good guy because he's so serious sometime like now we need it was to be an action that's all about a case here ati kwae awa ma jamaa wanna try kwaiba pa fungi so people will be okay, we say hey now there's an evidence yo kre people has been arrested wame iba mutiani now it's okay as a minister now when you talk only you have to put your action I'm supporting this new directive because it is the teachers and the invigilators who are having the fault here because if they are strict especially the teachers and the principal in school they should bring up the students preparing them for the exams and making sure that during the exam they don't cheat all along but now if the mistake is that found that the students are cheating and then it should be the fault of the invigilators and the teachers and the principal of that school I'm supporting that because if they become strict before I don't think the student will have the courage of cheating when the rules are very strict I would support it and the reason is because I think cheating can be a concerted effort if and what's the point of the invigilator if the students are just given free rein to cheat so there's a role that they play and there's a reason why they are the invigilator and unfortunately with such an office comes responsibility and they need to do their job simply put to a sense if indeed actually they are supporting the cheating they should be punished however like in any other scenario the instances where people are actually innocent and they did their level best to invigilate but still it happened so in such a case I think it would be a good idea to do a sort of investigation and if they indeed facilitate the cheating then they should be punished kumena support kwa sababu it's all about leadership leadership if you can't influence somebody you can't lead leadership is all about influence so if you have good leaders who are the invigilators and they tell us they show us the way we should follow on maybe let's say being a kwa na integrity na kwa niya witu 250 feet so minai support kwa sababu inafi kwanza kwa wali mua niya do ikam kwa ma student I think it's the students who should bear the consequences of trying to cheat although there could be many reasons why they cheat so as much as the government has changed the objective of the invigilators suffering most of the time it happens without the invigilators no knowledge so I don't think it's fair for the invigilator to suffer the grant of it I'll tell you a short story back in my day Sikusa KCP did I mention which year exactly but it was 2000 something during our time people were called kukwa wami cheats na uki patikano na cheat uli kuna pewa x ama y kuna x na kila mtua lukwano na yo x people knew that's cool that's cool cheated and students were given x na maybe wata shukisha kama kuna monyehaku cheat asa ma alia chief ni lukwano pui at least max kidogo kama so ni ni however this time round makatels zile shule zina seme kananga tukilasa zina Peter zina Peter zina juli sinai directive ime pe anwa nikiwa soba bia hawa makatels na jatunajer bukuma liza hawa makatels maze ju corruption kwa ii country hai teisha so lazima sesa we start shooting at this big king pins hawa niwa kuna mikono mi re fu e mi kono zina zina penetrate kwa easy examination centers so I support it because in a way these people who are doing this giving the students marks on our patiya answers and all these things they won't have to do that kwa soba buwewe kama moa limu you don't want to lose your job but no you will not want to lose your job you will want to feed your family and in that case exam cheating let me just say it's a shot on the head so yeah it's a shot on the head so yes we are highly likely going to achieve history kata wa seku cheat so yes I support it I support it completely na pia iki ndasa na nona jua studia na cheat ii na jua buke moa limu ata ndalia na atasema mi mi juu staki ku lose job yango this child ata nda apelepia pundele so of course we're going to achieve this our second question is guys we'd like to know from you of course history are cheating on the system or what's your pick when I look back I feel like system takes most of the blame to be honest it does because you know the pressure that comes with being in school is just so much so much a lot I mean I hated my high school because of that is the pressure so it should be on the system and also the cultural practices that students are being exposed to you see like in our country sorry to say corruption is the routine so even for them they think cheating or using shortcuts is the way to go which is not right so the students need to be educated but again still we as the adults need to mentor them in the right way so I cannot really blame the teachers as such it's a whole it's a whole entity as I can say I think we need to blame the system because as you know kwa corruption we know Kenya is ranked high so I think it all boils down to everything in Kenya for you to get a job education everything corruption kwa kupita during my time in Lifanya KCAC 2014 so during my time there was a lot of cheating especially the year 2015 immediately I left so what we used to be told even the own principle is that you find some top national schools I want to mention their names muna pata there are principles on it tiyana ina makiwa vizuri so you know ina makiwa vizuri so muna pata your examination ina makiwa you know ina makiwa normally but there has been much special you can't be genius all of you the system here is a city city city city muna pata sasa yo yo system here is a city ina apply kakuja kapa tana pandemic tana kapa tatoa koshule so muna punzi kitura isa na isa kwa na naniwa cheating kama mi misa isa kwa na sati nimi kwa ni kidu ason beleta tu nating kukuru dichuo lakini kutule saizima roll su na ana kwezi ka survive high school sai sai at least a lot of students mami aribika ju saingine kunezi strikes saingine kama last year nana kul kwa na strike ya the whole year jua covid saka mawa loa li kwa na fanya exam na jua li fail jua apps omere dolku no na kwa ni ni wana yongelelia kwa radio wana yongelelia kama mawa totoa ruti chuo kama mawa kwa ni iwe ni fonfos pekehake ma na magoha is there as a minis of education he's trying to try to handle that kind of system which we don't know why citizens ma na he's trying to show up ma na we need him to show up nicely on the table ya say this and this what was happening now i have these ambitions to not ever again kenya have such conviction we like him actually I think there is a problem in the system especially the KCSA that is 844 in general the system is bringing up the student in a way that if they don't pass they are not going to the universities and get the careers that they want to to do in their life so students have that mentality especially the KCSA that they have to pass no matter what that's why they are even cheating and making it all possible to pass because the system is in a way that if you don't pass, you don't get the career you want to do I think if there was a greater system where the student are specializing in some way I think the cheating will have reduced just like I was telling you of a league yes the system is partly to blame and I also think our society in how we actually judge achievement and how we for you to progress to the next step for you to get to get a job in the future you have to like skip a number of ladders and unfortunately the exam is one of the major ones and it can determine your future so I think part of the reason why people cheat is it gives them a shortcut if I can go to the next step as quickly as possible well and good I think that's why people cheat unlike in other societies where we try to judge achievement based on several things not necessarily just academic excellence the impetus to cheat is law because somebody will be successful regardless so I think we need to change those attitudes in our society and how we judge achievement but it's not a must that you get a job at some company teach people how teach them life skills how to start up business how they can actually develop themselves without necessarily focusing too much on the exam because I think we tend to we focus on the wrong ones so in a sense the system and the society itself is to blame the society unfortunately is I mean given the current economic circumstances and subsaharanak it's a challenge for itself I don't think it's you can entirely blame the people so it's a lot of things that are just working together to compromise the entire situation the reason why we cheat is because of the influence then there is a routine it's like a cult if you don't get a A, you don't get a B actually will not fail look at some of the most successful people Jack Ma, Ilan Mask those people dropped out of college they didn't want those grades so don't have to get a A or a B just simply do your exams now work on your way to success as much as the Kenyan system has improved quite a lot I think that this system is entirely focused on performance rather than the learning of the child so it gives a lot of pressure to the students to cheat so that they just can keep everyone happy and I don't think that's right so as much as cheating is wrong, I think we should also look at the cause of these problems man finished business with this particular topic well, hapa to ta blame watua wili number one society a lafu number two the system society kwa ni kuswabu society sana sana wana taku kwa kama na ni kuna jua, ila storia wana faku waka ma na ni so yes, i storio te apu cheat maze will blame it on the system na society system piya kwa sabu system ila fanya exams i kwa ni kama kupita exams maze that is like to meditaminuwe you're smart, you're intelligent you're correct, you're right come on guys exams hazi maneshi ati wuna faku pita because this are just a set of questions na sazmine, you're given a time to prepare for these exams so if you prepare well utapita, then kuna wene life skills then they depend on life skills so all these things system i na faku angalesi na kusho na ni ni uzi wituza music, zikwa introduced back into the education system na aso eze kuhu kupita exams na life na faku kwa ekonomix let's take a short break alapu we will be back 3rd topic maze natu kakuliza is society mouapa numbani ama paleshu leni do they contribute to watui kuchits? head over to our facebook page upiwa paleni numbani instagram punis that follow at Y254 channel toambie do you think that the society contributes to children or students cheating? if i take myself as an example there's stress in it it was because if i knew maybe there's an organization in Gangalia apart from my grades singa kwa niwa pressure but you see the straight jacket that out here is your grade reflect who you are and for that grade zaki zikwa paleshu so niwa your pressure in handia because students have been gear up to become number one and you see life is not like that not everyone will be number one everyone is left in their own way everyone has their own talent so the system that should be adopted is a system that will look at the talents of the student and then grow that talent regardless of whether they'll be number one or number two so i also don't really recommend the system or even if it's a grading system it should be both theoretically and in practical aspects i think at a see pressure basically from their peers also i think pressure from also the teachers parents i believe that education system iakena tumayeka in this in this mana that wuki fail kcpe you won't make it in life wuki fail kcse you won't make it in life and as we know education iakena is one of the worst i've gone through it and i know so unapata like at a campus mtu amefana like civil engineering we bring chinese people to build the highways, the bridges so then why are our universities teaching the civil engineering so it all boils down to pressure that education iatu na kwangal about to get you mtu anakram kitabu but it can be mtu ni physics mtu a tengeneze steama kitabu a kylbiya physics, a capinta so our education system wai kuzimha genius so it all boils down to kitabu chi wani ni system nana sellia pia kwa kkiwango plan wuki nanaiba y만o sea mtanga fiti and then kwa kikiwaya pimeo perform so kuna o pressure naka wanga jke ako akumba jere ania ako kufanya ujinga planiki logo una kemeo ekinu lmse mginen tofoutu no no so ina changia sasa hata hando no no ingino na jwa sasa ingino na pata mutua na patua dina depression jusa sasa so saya tinam kata na hida ii story zake jwa ti eni telia but sasa ono jwa tosa ingini mazomo aiku hangi privilege sano labda wu kuna talenti ako ii ondo na ebi piya yufanya na watua na kusafuna ini na patua na matipresho ingino na jwa asya tu mutua toa hende afanya exa ya kama ini mutua kamera fine kama ini mutua mikrofon fine don't put someone asama physics and ya ini mutua football leave him to football if you like the esquence we have in a society that where people have to be successful and being successful we have to be well educated and having passed your exams well and you can see the great lawyers the doctors and other top professionals it's all about the education that they have received that they are successful so this pressure is amounting to most of the students in our society that in order to be successful we have to always pass your exam well and we have to be well educated so I think it's actually contributing a lot to the shifting of the exam because without being successful in education there is no way that you can make it in life that's what we are brought up in such a society that you have to be successful in your education in order to be a successful person I don't know whether we are sending the wrong kind of ideals or we are teaching our young students the wrong kind of things but it appears as though there is a value system that supports the corrupt stealing people who get money quick or get what they want quick I think there is a value system that is developing to that extent as opposed to anyone who works hard will always achieve what they want at the end of the day so I think I feel like that is a problem and unfortunately it's everywhere from our leaders to our teachers our friends our parents our entire families we all support a culture of corruption and if we don't uproot it unfortunately it's a vicious cycle to just go on and on so we have to impart the right values in our students and also in our own families to beat our children our friends we have to really impart those values I am not contributing because I don't know what is going on I don't know what is going on I don't know I don't know I don't know what is going on I don't know what is going on Yes it does contribute a lot because you can imagine when someone is getting a lot of pressure they will try to do what they can just so that they can please everyone at this point they are not even doing it for themselves they are just doing it to please other people just to get them off their backs so yeah I think society should totally work on how they think about education and I think the main reason why students are going to school is so that they can get education not so that they can perform Man finished business with this particular topic ni ati pressure iko especially from the parents anata kwa ukwe kama na ni be like Karen kwa kwa lienda alliance we see kwa lienda alliance but those days nikiwa shuleu kwa niyama metua easy job so lasimo pite when the easy places so guys waza jipala nyumbani tulizeni that's the pressure kwa kwa kama na ni kuna atu ufunguka ni ita ngufunguka ni kwa ni ita ufunguka ikiwa kuna atu ufunguka that is after primary school bati temio tia mekua kido gwa mishiliya that intelligence so yes kwa mpa temitiyu teimiakia kili amtua kwa na pays kuna late bloomers na wanyu bloom immediately they are given a challenger they are successful and then those who take time na kuna those two people na those two people ntos imesema system iangaliya sana sana wu yu anafakwa iiside, wu yu anafakwa iiside. So, edukation system piya kuret exams ama sets za edukation systems eneni zina fivavis tukani. So, yes, piya sosaiha tikpale tulizeni, tulizeni ma suju nanini namba one, wewe mbonu na kuwangan namba last kila time. Understand, kila mtoko nambia siyake na life ita move on, vizuri. Piya wali mu pale nyumbani emi nshule ni, sorry. Mtoto ako nshule, alafu jumi namba last, unam overlook, unanzakse mawewe, ata you don't give them questions to answer, you don't, you only favor the top students. We saw them, we saw them teachers, those teachers who used to favor top students only. We know you, we know you do that, so kindly stop that and treat each and every student with, you know, uh, their own uh, viletum to ya na behave, I mean, come to ini in brood nanini, of course, try and tone that down. But of course, if they're not doing so well, make sure you help them get to achieve their goals and their dreams in life. So guys, remember we are on air every Saturday from 7 p.m. and uh, tuna kwa nga piya tuna, leta karipeet pa let's find it at 1 p.m. You can also stream live, see at the, you see, kiri ati utatu watch tena, kama ukomta zi, uneza stream live kyo kwa mat, Y2Fport channel, uh, let us know maoni ako, na maze, changia kwenye isho jyut na fongatuki leta pa, maswali dot pate solutions. So, piya weko kwa na issues, the let it to the end, let us know, alafu tuta zi taku lapa na ase weini kwa street zane robi. My name is Karen Jesser, but you can call me Karen Kang on all social media platforms, Facebook, Y2Fport channel. Tupatane next week. Chau.