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Why is this happening? All right Well, we will distract you from your first day dog tails with an amazing half hour of tech news Dog tails Is It's today The thing after the deal what am I trying to say the first day of the rest of your life. No the bonus show No, how you missed this month. That's right. It's next month. I'll be next month. You'll be around Remember what I did That's right. I was gone. I remember all this now. It's all coming back. I Remember like it was two weeks ago Like it just happened Duck tails now see you got to look what you did. No, that's all you're gonna think about you made me do Remaking that or am I thinking of something else? But duck tails. Yeah, it's on the remake is out in the world as far as I know Okay, I was never in duck in that I was too old for duck tails. I guess or maybe not too old But I didn't watch it Yeah, so I need so it was not a thing that I was as excited as say Garrett about Like see that oh Ever we had our thing they have their thing it was a lot of heat Because I basically told oh it's you 30 never mind. I'll save that story for after yeah. Yeah, you guys ready Here We're gonna go in 10 seconds. I'm gonna try something today I think we'll make my life easier like to plan it later There we go five four three two Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday August 22nd 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from a chaotic studio feline Oh, you got to put canine in there soon from Salt Lake City where we finally have rain. I'm Scott Johnson We blessed the rains down in Utah In 10 days 10 hot days without any and a lot of smoke in the air from you guys Thanks very much. So this game and shmooped it all out of the sky cleaned us out. It's it's awesome It's like we had a bath about time for some shmoopin. Yeah, I agree and Sarah in less than five words How's day one with the dog? Yep, okay, that's that's about right That's less than five words, right? Correctly sums up day one with a dog Continued no our producer Roger Chang is here as well Roger. No, no, let's start with a few tech things you should know Facebook head of cybersecurity policy and Nathaniel Glitzer opposed to the Facebook and Instagram have removed hundreds of accounts and pages for coordinated inauthentic behavior Thanks to help from security company fire I all of the accounts were attempting to sway political opinion in the US Syria and Ukraine The accounts appeared to originate in Iran and Russia I'm closer Twitter also announced that it had banned 284 accounts for coordinated manipulation also originating in Iran China has shut down at least eight. That's right. Count them eight blockchain related news accounts on WeChat 10 cent Who owns and operates WeChat said the accounts were shut down for publishing information related to ICOs and cryptocurrency trading In violation of regulations that demand content providers comply with quote national interests on quote and public orders separately Beijing's central Choi Yang I'm gonna say district now forbids hotels offices and shopping malls from hosting events promoting Cryptocurrencies a bit of a crackdown there and Qualcomm has followed Huawei and announcing its next system on a chip will be built on the 7 nanometer process node Qualcomm says it can be paired with a Snapdragon X 55 GModem and is already being sampled to multiple manufacturers They expect 5g mobile hotspots to sit ship with this chip set by the end of 2018 and smartphones with it in the first half of 2019 well, let's talk about how Fighting fires in California relates to your data cap Scott Well, let's get a little litigious not us, but some people and by people I mean states 22 US states have filed a lawsuit to Reinstate net neutrality guidelines an addendum of that suit details throttling the Santa Clara County fire departments Unlimited data account while fighting the Mendocino complex fire earlier this year This wasn't that long ago Santa Clara County fire chief Anthony Bowden Said Verizon slowed the unlimited account or throttled it as we might say despite being informed It was impeding crisis response and essential emergency services Verizon required the department to switch to a more expensive plan before restoring normal service People use their own accounts or borrowed from other agencies until the building department worked out the switch Verizon told ours Technica that a this was a customer support mistake and that its policy is to lift throttling in emergency situations So they claim it was a goof Everybody's real mad at him for this. Yeah, it's a pretty bad customer support mistake even if that's all all it was Yeah, it's a lives on the line customer support mistake like literally like the you know The the fire department fighting the Mendocino complex fire, which if you haven't heard about is one of many wildfires That were burning in much larger areas Then then past fires. It was one of the worst wildfire years on record for California Santa Clara County fire was of course not alone in fighting it But that's what they had to start borrowing data connections and scrambling and that's something you don't need to deal with when you're fighting a fire So yeah Don't make that kind of mistake Verizon. I'm usually fairly forgiving with like hey, you know, we all make mistakes But when it comes to emergency preparedness and Cooperation if your policy is to cooperate you make sure every customer support agent knows to do that I I would like to hear more about how they're going to make sure this doesn't happen in any case earthquakes Volcanoes whatever in the future Whether it's a net neutrality violation or not as interesting Verizon says well No, this is a plan that would existed under the old open internet guidelines It wouldn't have been any different plan wise, but the complaint system is different now So as far as Santa Clara County goes They have to complain to the Federal Trade Commission now about this and the Federal Trade Commission would look at it as a rate regulation thing Whereas before they could go straight to the FCC. Yeah, we don't we're not gonna have time to do it today But it does bring up some interesting conversations that could happen around This stuff being a utility whether we have it being whether it's an officially in a utility or not We're more and more cases arise where it's like we have to expect a company to behave like a utility With more regulation than they currently have and I don't know if that could be an interesting discussion on the show maybe a later date Well, you know what else is interesting Google assistant now responds to the command Tell me something good or you could sing it if you happen to like that song Responses will include stories that are curated by the solutions journalism and network from a database of four thousand stories focused on solutions to society's problems for example Reviving the honeybee population. I know I care about that or preventing teen alcohol abuse also a good one So, yeah, it's not just fluff stories about like this cute kitten found a home It's actually like these are important stories about positive advancements being made The solutions journalism network is not something I was aware of before this and I think that's fantastic As a break from the constant drumbeat of negativity you get in the news today and and not being like Oh, but I'm missing out. You're hearing important things I just wonder if after you say tell me something good. Can you then ask it to tell me that you like it? Oh, I hope not But it is interesting. We're gonna we're moving I got an answer and you can certainly say that We're moving that local flavor new late night news story the local flavor stories We used to always get on the news He's still get them, but it's like later today a cat was stuck in a thing and here's a dog who plays basketball Yeah, we're basically moving that to services like this and I am a hundred percent cool with it No, we're not I mean I want to make sure that that point is clear dog playing basketball cat stuck in a tree not going to this This is like like substantive stories about like hey We're actually figuring out how to bring the honeybot to be population We've cut down on teen pregnancies like positive stories that mean something not just fluff. Yeah, that's the part I didn't get to yet, but yes, I would prefer less fluff. I don't need to know about dogs playing ping-pong I need to know about kids avoiding alcohol abuse about that. That'd be great. Yeah, it's successfully In that vein I almost feel like the phrase tell me something good it almost doesn't give Enough courtesy to what the idea is because that does sound like tell me something nice Tell me a joke. Tell me. Yeah. Yes. Tell me a fluffy story about a cat in a tree That should be a separate service. Tell me something good, but light Right Yeah, social injustice now, I think I think this is fantastic And you know, I mean, I know it's a it's a press release for Google assistant It's a feel-good PR hit for them But you know, sometimes if the feel-good PR hit is got substance behind it, which this does that's okay So I would like to see something similar and maybe there is if you know of an Amazon skill That does this to let us know maybe it's already out there and it just didn't get the press And I team media lab researchers Fidel adib and Francesco Tonalini have developed technology that let's submerge Submarines communicate with contacts above the water So submarines down there that they can still talk to the boat up there or anything system is called tarf for Translational acoustic RF communication two parts a speaker that resides with the submerged vessel where it would transmit audio signals Causing ripples on the surface of the water just a few micrometers in height And the second part is a modified millimeter radar that would then scan the water detect the ripples and decode them Using a technique called orthogonal frequency division multiplexing complex messages can be sent Currently limitations of the system are one way only from the sub to the plane You can't send back down through the water Can't be used when the waves are taller than six inches because you can't read the ripples and large messages will take a Long time to send it's low bad But Roger, I know this got your eyes. It's pretty cool Yes, so the whole the whole idea is that Typically when you're underwater, you can't really send a message Because well, you're in water and the whole idea it slows It doesn't change the speed of light, but it slows the propagation, right? It slows the propagation and it's And it's also salt water So it's highly impractical unless you're near the surface anyway, for example the Navy to communicate Electronically with a radio signal you have to trail a huge wire behind the boat and it has to be near the surface Don't they're necessarily break the surface of the water But they have to be close to it and even then the messages are very short, right? They're very like launch the missiles don't launch the missiles So the the whole idea is not just submarines, but anything think of a In a plane the Black box right it sinks beneath. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah Continually send out a very simple ping message that planes could then search for on the surface and scan the surface and say Oh, we got it. We got a hit Plane possibly down here instead of trying to do what they do right now, which is look for debris Which may have been shifted by by currents away from the original position Making it very difficult to locate the wreckage of a wreck and so this is like, you know, hugely advantageous It's still in the development stage, but they can get it working I mean the possibilities especially for civilian aviation is huge. Yeah, I mean think of the Malaysian Airlines search Which would never found all of the plane only found bits and pieces of it and never found the black box This could have changed that entire search and it took a long freaking time. Yeah I think this is super cool and it totally interests me But I went and saw that mega movie last night the Megalodon thing Yeah, there is a whole lot of like submarine tech in there that is bunk and terrible So I feel like I am wholly unqualified in my current brain state to discuss this very much Meg has polluted your ability to tell reality from fiction. You're gonna love that movie Tom because you like faster movies But whoo, they go places in a tech way that is not probably in a in a it's probably gonna Paleontologists are probably not gonna like it either You know, I I I hope that other people listening to this will agree that when I first read the story I was like what so what is that what can't they just like pick up a satellite phone or something and talk to each other I did not realize how difficult it was particularly if a submarine was that far below the surface And certainly the concept of saltwater never occurred to me. You know, you figure out of military You know, they know what they're doing But the fact that so much work has gone into something that obviously is this is a beginning effort And it'll get better over time was pretty mind-blowing to me. Yeah, it's cool story. Really All right, what else is cool here in India? Anyway, Xiaomi announced the Poco f1 phone running Android 8.1 Oreo with a snapdragon 845 chip 4,000 milliamp battery Qualcomm's adreno 630 GPU a 6.8 inch 1080p display fingerprint sensor and face unlock 20 megapixel selfie cam and dual rear cameras come into India for 300 bucks Sounds pretty good. Well, some of it is some of it is not totally top the line. It's using gorilla glass 3 So that's three gens back has a plastic back inexpensive speakers No oleophobic coding But Xiaomi product manager Jai Mani told the Verge that Xiaomi read reddit forums Probably some other forums too and determined from those that people really wanted bigger batteries and decent processors So that's the phone that they're getting for the price. Xiaomi also reported revenue rose 68.3% in Q2 on strong smartphone sales combined with a rise in its connected devices section Xiaomi reported net profit of 14.63 billion won compared to a net loss of 11.97 billion won a year ago Revenue from outside China also doubled year over year for Xiaomi and remember not too long ago We reported that Xiaomi had taken over Samsung's lead in India This is this is showing that Xiaomi is more than just the gimmick of We'll make a great phone at a cheap price and sell it online and keep our overhead low They have moved successfully into India and this is really interesting to say, you know what? We looked at reddit and it turns out all the geeks were like I just want a fast processor and a really long battery. I don't care if it's a metal case I don't care if it's pretty and so they're putting their money where their mouth is and saying great Here you go top of the line processor 4,000 milliamp hour battery everything else kind of cheap, you know Do you still do you want it at $300? I mean it's impressive specs at $300 Even if it's old gorilla glass and a plastic back It's really smart to the target that underserved market because this reminds me of you know PC users in a lot of cases don't really care how the thing looks they just needed to work They want the right processor. They want the right video card. This is that same thinking applied to mobile It's a great idea and clearly Apple and Samsung and the like aren't serving that in these areas Oh, yeah, go for it. Why the heck not? Hey some news from valve one of my favorite companies in the world Valve announced a beta version of steam play for Linux that uses valves wine based proton project to let Linux users play Windows only games This is exciting for a number of reasons but steam play now includes native Steamworks and open VR support and an implementation of direct X or sorry direct 3d12 that uses Vulkan for high performance and DX VK a Vulkan implementation of direct 3d11 Games will also automatically recognize any controller supported by steam sometimes more than the windows games themselves Which is kind of cool windows games. They are supporting today with the new steam play beta or quake Tropico 4. I don't know why not tropical 5, but whatever Star Wars Battlefront 2 Doom Doom v fr payday the heist stalker shadow of Chernobyl and others to come They're interesting games because there's a mix of very old and new here are sort of new that doom games only a couple years old Doom VR just came out this year shadow Chernobyl though is freaking ancient So I don't know what the method to the madness is here, but I am excited to hear that they are putting More of their way behind their their plans for Linux. That's good for gamers. Yeah, they basically just need to verify that it runs, right? And and that and that the the company is okay with them selling You know, they're selling it to the Linux people So they have to get the company whose whose game they're selling through steam to say yeah, okay That's that's great. We think it looks like it works, right? You're right Go ahead and sell it to people and we'll you know and we'll be cool with that So the list is according to steam going to grow as as they get more people to sign off It is it is an interesting launch title. It's it's what they could get Yeah, and they also like for example Star Wars Battlefront 2 some may hear that and go Oh, the one that came out last Christmas is their big new hot thing. No that is only available through the EA store Origin you cannot get it on steam what they're talking about is the ancient Star Wars Battlefront 2 which was like 2003 or something Yeah, I don't remember the exact year, but yeah, I I get I'll get more excited as time goes on as more people get On board there's absolutely nothing that should be holding these companies back from wanting their experiences played on as much platforms as possible And this is a great way to to do that and you know valve and Gabe Newell and those guys they love Linux That's all they talk about anymore in there. They've they've made their frustrations with windows be known They've tried a few things to see if they could not and see things those didn't exactly work exactly But this is a great step in that direction for people who want to be on that platform Yeah, this is one of those intersections of promise and demonstration, right? It's not it's not just a bunch of talk because they actually have games that work coming out But it's also not quite the fully realized system that they would like where the majority of Windows games are available They're not but at least you can see like no, this will absolutely work So the idea is if we can get enough studios to let us do this then you can absolutely buy a steam box Or just any Linux box that has the right specs and play your games and not worry about it Whether there are windows only exclusives or not Yeah, it just takes it further away from the hacker realm Which is fine except that it was a little bit difficult for average people to figure it out And I that's always good with Linux. Well, and I'll be very curious This is a little bit of a test of suchomania Uh, windows is all about microsoft is all about open platform as long as you can, you know As long as you can use us use us everywhere and you're not actually using windows here. So will they try to Non cooperate with this will they try to block people? We'll see Yep Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com All right, sort of a related story. Uh, good old games or gog Gog Has been delivering drm free games since the mid 2000s I remember when they first arrived on the scene and emailed us at buzz out loud back at cnet Talking about bringing classic games back where they could they really Made their name as a distributor of drm free games an open platform They've now launched a site at fck drm.com You know what they're going for but it doesn't actually spell it with the vowels It promotes content without digital rights management The site says that some people don't realize what drm means these days While at the same time They complain about its effects things like losing access to content or even just assuming You can do things like backup or access offline and then finding out you can't because the drm prevents you They also point out the danger of tracking as drm always almost always anyway has to contact a server Uh Gog is owned by cd project The new site lists a few drm free alternatives for gaming. They just list gog There's a bunch of others out there In fact, there's a great site that's been around forever called open source windows.org Slash games If you want to find stuff But I think they are working directly with the people they list to list them So they're not just trying to make a comprehensive directory But for music they list band camp seven digital and e music For books they list project Gutenberg and open Libra for video archive.org's moving image archive and Vimeo Vimeo's on demand section And yes, we can talk about the fact that well, not every piece of music you want Not every book you want not every game you want is going to be available through these So you're kind of stuck with drm if you really want to get the top stuff in a lot of cases But I think it's interesting that Gog feels in English and German that they need to spread the word on this I've been noticing that More and more people are assuming There is copyright protection often where there isn't And acting as if drm is just The the nature of the beast that you'll always have drm Even though for instance music on the itunes store is not drm to people people seem to have Just moved on from that Yeah, it's interesting because cd project red is a company They're based out of Warsaw, Poland. They first came to prominence with the original witcher game and Witcher 3 is considered 2015's best game of that year and maybe one of the best games ever made So they've got that heritage. They're building that cyberpunk game. Everyone's excited about for next year whenever it's going to come out They've got that half of it. They're a little like valve in that way make a bunch of good games Establish yourself as a company and then like valve. They said hey There's an underserved market out there for old games because it used to be called. I mean you would call it good old games That's where it came from the idea was all go find this ancient game And there's no drm. You're kidding. That's great. I only paid five bucks for it. Oh, that's awesome They have worked over time to build themselves into a legitimate competitor to steam Where I can go and get brand new triple a releases The same day and in some cases cheaper prices than I can at steam and no drm on those big releases Now it's not one for one. They don't have exactly the same catalogs But I what I'm reason i'm bringing all that background up is they've earned a position Uh where they can actually make something like this happen maybe more than somebody else could Because it used to be sure I could get my 90s xcom fix over there But now I can get my brand new triple a fix Why not see that kind of thinking carried over into books music and other places Where they can parlay some of that success and that trust that they've built and Make it a broader thing the only real complaint I have about any of it not really even a complaint but a concern Is their approach to it? It is a little edgy You know, they're basically just saying f drm in this name And I hope what that doesn't do is Stop somebody like I don't know big publishers of books from having a negotiation from looking at this and saying Interesting wonder part of our catalog would fit here instead of seeing it going. Oh, jeez. This looks like internet trolls being Being dickish to the industry that we need to all try to work together on and that's a concern if they can if they can Get past that then I think this has real potential because these guys are proven they could do it at least in one sector Why not these other sectors? Yeah, it's it's the balance of raising awareness with a flashy name That kind of gets across the point. Hey guys, drm's not okay We can't let the fight down Which is what they're doing with this name on the same token tor.com hasn't had drm on their ebooks for a long time I don't know that tor would necessarily jump at the chance to associate themselves with fck dr.com Maybe they wouldn't mind. I don't really I don't want to speak for tor But it's a consideration, right? There are going to be some folks who have the the right idea in mind. Bain books is another and And then maybe a different name would be required So it's like well, do we use this name to kind of get attention? from people and be and have our strong feelings on drm known and then Switch it to f drm later or something like that Yeah, like an f drm is actually probably you get a little bit more But they also have a history of naming things something weird and then turns into something else good old game No longer about good old games. It's about a very different thing now. So I'm fine with it. Like I say, I just I worry about it being perceived as trollish Eh, but maybe that gets things done in our modern era. I don't know I said something like that on slack and I'm not sure I'm totally with it or not But it does seem like you can get some traction by being a little jerky sometimes and Again, I think their their motives are pure. I think they really believe in this as a movement They've shown that before now. We get to see if anybody else wants to tie their wagon to those guys and it'll be fascinating to see if they do I guess no drm.com was taken Uh, probably and drm.com probably taken. Let's look no Because you know, I mean Sorry, if you're the owner of this website, please contact your hosting provider But again, yeah, it's it's it it sort of Makes one sit up and say once that's all about but it's promoting something that obviously the um, the folks Who made it feel very strongly about? Yeah, and they're a cool company They're they got a lot of rad stuff going on although the other day they took some heat for kind of a questionable Tweet it was a little bit along the lines of what I'm talking about They claim it wasn't meant as anything that big a deal. They took it down and apologized But they, you know, they're a little edgy There's some cultural stuff. I don't know. They also didn't spell it with the vowels which uh FOPAA in our chat room says uh when I want to curse around my children. That's what I do I spell it out without the vowels. So they are taking some of that into account They are but they're also at the same time. It's just this sneaky little way of getting away with it And it's like I say it's not it's just me questioning. Is that the best tactic for what could be a genuinely? I don't know how changing it is or how much it changes the way we do things on the internet But it could have a real effect on content and how people think of brm now I feel like brm used to be such a big issue and everybody was talking about it all the time and it's gotten quiet You know, there's not as much concern or people don't think it applies to them as much or something And well as we all know fck drm stands for For community knowledge of drm Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to spell it out without the vowels. It's uh Yeah, we appreciate that Spelling things out without vowels for kids that is like a two-step like you're really ensuring that the kids are No They can spell. 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Glad you asked tom scott napierre who is working at the office of protection services for the smithsonian institution Has some more thoughts on this idea of hotels and safety and security This is following up on our conversation with shannon morse about def con and some of the stuff that she had seen in her week there Hey scott says several of the larger hotels in the majority of hotels and resorts in los vegas Do have multiple means and methods of checking people's bags upon entry for things like Explosives or weapons now without getting too much into the details of how this is working There are devices at the primary and secondary entrances that are constantly scanning There's personnel and staff trained on how to address these issues if and when they're discovered The same systems are also used at a variety of museums stadiums performance venues throughout the country And they go well beyond the standard metal detector and x-ray machine These devices are still considered to be fairly new, but they're starting to be deployed on a much wider scale security professionals are typically not motivated to stay on the cutting edge because they can't afford to deploy Unproven systems it takes many tests and pilot programs to convince a security professional at the hype and the real world results are the same Thank you scott. 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I feel like there's there's now You know, they are starting to create things and like well I was told to to hoard everything, you know, and I couldn't steal so nobody gets to steal from me I don't know. There's something. There's something there that bugs me. Yeah A finger on it might be a misplaced sense of entitlement No, I don't know That's that's a very common criticism for every generation and I don't think that's what I'm trying to say I'm not saying it's a generation. I'm just saying those people. I don't I don't know that many young people That's not that's not where I'm going with this though. I know what you're saying It's it's more about like there was there used to be to be a rebellious Younger person you'd like fight against the DRM and now it's to be a rebellious younger person You create something and then fight against people taking it. Yeah is it a little bit sure Feels like I don't know just like anything though. This stuff changes over time and it gets weird and and now I feel like it's Just I mean, I don't want to name any names which makes the argument weaker I know but there there are younger producers and editors that I've worked with who say Hey, I see somebody's been taking your stuff and putting it out over here doing this with it You know, should we stop them and I'm like, no, that's why we have a great guns license like You're you're supposed to be cheering for that kind of thing. Like I don't know. There's just been a culture change Yeah, it's the difference too. Like there's that kind of stuff and I'm totally with you on that and then there's stuff like Oh someone Made a mouse mat of this print you made that you drew and had a nerd tackler and they're selling it on the store Well, yeah, that's like, you know, I don't want them selling that And I'm happy to ask for a takedown like a sum or anything, but You know, there's issues like that, but I don't know Just well, it's the the line seems to have shifted from extremely one way to Starting to be extremely the other way. Yeah before It could be just, you know before a lot of people who were creative didn't have outlets to release their work And so, you know, it's like the way television was it was just one direction and now that it flows and yeah It was just that one band one direction one direction that was zamed on his own and Now now everyone has something everyone now everyone has a stake and so yeah, I think that's a big part of it You're right because because and the message growing up was Don't steal from us the big media companies. And so now that they're like, well, here I am I'm a big media company now. I've got my and you taught me that I should protect my stuff. So I want you to put dollar signs on stuff. People get super protective. Yeah. Yeah Um I know it'll swing back. I know I always say follow the money unless it's a quarter that falls in the sewer grate Don't follow that money But that money go is it a collectible. Oh, it's just a quarter. I'll out of your hand It went down the sewer grate down where it's recent issue quarter. It's not even got a Do not follow that money horizon burns fire department That's I'm in I mean, it's accurate Not terrible, but it's also kind of terrible. I think if it weren't actually about fires where people got burned I'd be more comfortable with it. Yeah. Yeah, all right. Um For community knowledge drm Yeah, we can do that. That one's all right That's pretty good Done Old girl like last in a plastic bag I love that idea of like, all right, y'all say all you want is processors and battery life There you go. We looked at reddit. We've heard you Here's your phone. Here's your processor. Here's your Move I mean the screen I don't know then I start getting I start thinking about it and I go well, I hope the screen's okay And then I think well, I hope it's at least solid enough to not make squeaky noises when I hold it Like then I start getting back to having a fancy. Uh, yeah All right, and then there's also just just because the chat room Uh room wanted me to say this ping You've got mail You know like sonar ping Oh the submarine. Yes. Oh, I get it. It's not a yellow one But it's a submarine. Yeah. Yeah Like ping You've got mail That's a sound effect title if we if we could do a sound effect title be perfect I think people would get tired of it every time they brought it up ping in Like even the novelty of the apple sounds kind of get grating after a while Like the little bottle and the ribbit ribbit I have a whole show a video game show that is the sound of something called boop the sound of losing That sound of losing I call it a boop show and it's literally a sound effect name. I don't know if it serves me very well, but there it is But you don't it doesn't play Oh Although a lot of people like to answer they'll send emails and they always end it with them making a high-pitched boop in caps or something Boops empty there Boop caps boot caps what you gonna do or what'd you name the dog again? um I named him odis. Oh, I love it short for odis ready lane love it um Yes, he was he started as louie That's another thing. It's like i'm afraid to yeah like i'm like Do I call him the name that he knows but they were like he doesn't know his name Don't even it's like that's at least you your worries Uh, your worries are gonna be a little more tangible Well, yeah, like Sit I've never known a dog not to sit. I don't know I guess my dad was just really good at doing that. You can teach him sit pretty quickly. Oh, yeah Because I'm like do that and he's like No, and I can't make him because he's so big Do you remember uh, who is the uh the head of the studio not dave seedall But the uh the guy of the actual studio space at tech tv steve porter You remember his invention the dog trainer sitter. It was a large disc with a post Gosh, I forgot all about that. Yeah, I did not remember that. I just remember that he lived really far away and drove a lot Well, he was he was a dog breeder on the you know on when he wasn't at work Okay, and one of the things he developed Was a dog training device that was just think of a large disc that the dog could sit on And then the middle would be a post that you would leash the dog to so the dog couldn't just run away because it would be Kept there by his own weight or her own weight But that was like part of the process of training your dog to like Understand and obey commands like sit and You know Tension and food and stuff like that. I don't I don't know that much about training dogs. I mean, I know I know nothing to the point where I'm like Probably could have watched a few youtube videos Well, you still can That's true. That's true And you could call the rescue organization and ask them They've already put me in touch with a trainer that they they work with Who's you know, she has lots of testimonials and everything that's That'll be great I I'm It's probably the size is probably part of it and I actually haven't had a hard time getting him into his great Um, well, I mean I've had a hard time, but I've been able to do it But uh, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine who has a very small dog this morning and she said well You know, is he being destructive or and I said, well, no He's just sitting his crate until we go outside and she's like Well, that's probably not what you should do. I'm like, but I'm terrified. I don't know what else like Great dream can be a good thing. It's if it's I mean, I don't know what the rules are, but That's a great. I mean like our dog wants to be in the crate at night. She likes to sleep there Yeah, well, and he can't leave him in there all the time. Right, right Um, I mean right now it's like I today I didn't have a choice Because it's just not going to work out during the show is fine. I put rey and her crate sometimes during the show That's you know, but then when then you're going to have to let her let him out and that's I that's when you grab the treats And you get his attention and you'll be like sit until he does it then you give him the treat And then you just keep repeating it With fewer and fewer chances for for failure So if he doesn't sit right away once he starts to catch on then you don't give it to him unless Nope, you got to do it right when I say it Do that for a couple of days he'll get set Yeah, that's just one possible way of doing it But it's work. It's work Yeah, I just I I don't I don't know If he's gonna get it He will he will Okay, it's it's the frustration with dogs is that they aren't programmable So you're like, I've done it three times. Why isn't he not you got to you got to do it over a lot Yeah, yeah, and it's funny like sometimes they'll get it right away And it'll fool you into thinking like oh dogs are easy or not. It's you know, it's it's just kind of random When it's like actually catch on but okay So, I mean I I've I've I've tried to sit like a hundred times in less than 24 hours and with zero positive results So when you hold the tree even if you kind of you know do that and they're you are using a treat um Yeah, I mean I you're holding a treat out And waiting for him to come over um Not really Yeah, that's you need to give him a reason to want to sit and then you start associating sit with the command Then eventually you won't have to do the treat, but that's down the road got it. Okay Because if you hold the treat he's going to come over like oh, hey uh for me and then you just You you say sit and then eventually they'll get bored and sit and then you're like, yes Good job and I oh if I sit and I get the treat. All right, and then you start associating the word with the treat. Yeah, it's all true That's one way. It's not the only way. Hey, I didn't be the best way. I'm not afraid professional dog trainer No, no, I appreciate I appreciate all the feedback. Um It's just uh, you know, it's just uh, I don't know how people have children. Sorry, Roger and Uh, I mean I love I love that you guys do it, but I don't Part of it is that at some point My my child will be taking care of me. Hopefully. Well, there you go That's a miss. I have to be especially careful not to Unbue any negative feelings about me and wearing of my child. Right, right. Yeah, you know, I was like tough luck dad You're staying in the trail investment It's an investment for your future. Enjoy shady acres. Yes. Yeah, I should have gotten a kid not a dog The dog isn't gonna pay for my retirement. You have a half kid half dog like a centaur kid But like the the horse part is a like a great day or something sounds a lot like a movie. I just saw recently, but Yes, that's all I was thinking about that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm Equisapiens roll out So somebody uh asked, uh, well, I don't know like maybe it's too much of a split. I don't even want to Somebody asked me. Oh, what's the what's the uh the sort of premise? You know, just give me the simple plot of the movie and I'm like impossible You can't I I can't do that. I can't I mean not not and be an all representative Right, you can give the trailer premise and it's like that's only like a third of the movie Right. Yeah Um, would y'all mind if I bounced out a little early today I can hear a little Yeah, no, you and you and odyssey got to spend some sit time Together so yes, we do. Yes, we do. Go uh go fly be free. All right, uh cuts and hugs Thank you doggy and uh video folks you guys Take care as well audio folks stick around there's more to come All right