 Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, huh Name another podcast like this Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle It's your boy, E-C-E-O And I'm here with the lovely official, Mr. Mako What's going on? None of them are gone Say, man, look it, man We got something that just fell in our lap, man Lu say he's just in the building, man Stop playing, man He pulled up, nigga You niggas didn't think he was gonna be here, nigga He's Texas, nigga Y'all best show this nigga some love, nigga And any nigga that want to get on track with him, nigga Y'all better come on with that money, nigga Because he say he charge you now He is not trying to hear it no more You know what I'm saying? How you doing today, man? I'm good, man I ain't been out the house in a minute So it feel good to be out there Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah So it's been going down I've been hearing things, man You all right? Yeah, I'm good, never better Already, man, so You know, let's just get all the way back into it, man Tell us a little bit about Just how you grew up, where you from All that good stuff, man Because a lot of niggas might not know you That's on this, you know, the platform Man, I was born in Dallas, but I'm from East Texas From your heart I'm from Marcia, Texas, man I'm from Marcia, Texas, man They be mixing it up, but East Texas lives in this Me, man, I grew up just hard How any nigga would, you know what I'm saying? In the hood Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm saying shit Okay, when you say in the hood, where you talking about? On Poplar Street, nigga Where you at over there? You go over there I ain't all right I'm from Johnson Street, nigga Where you was at, nigga I was on Jackson for sure Already, nigga, let's go Who was in the south? I done been all over though Already You hanging out on university and all that Everywhere I was all over For real I did it too, my nigga Yeah, yeah So the music is dope, man The movement is live Yeah Yeah, man Going up Yeah, yeah So, what's up, baby? I know you got something to ask And man, let's go I want to hear your voice So, were you raised by your mom and dad? Yeah, I was raised by my granny growing up But once I turned like Once I got in, I say middle school I moved with my momma Been with my momma since And your dad Yeah, my dad, he was In and out Somewhere I fucked with him though He was just doing this thing like he doing now Okay With my boy though Okay, that's good No, because I like to ask these questions Because a lot of people always tell me that They didn't realize certain things about themselves Till they got older As in the reason why they acted out when they were younger As a kid, you know Whether it be a troubled kid Or I did this It's because my father wasn't there Or because my mom, you know So I was just trying to get to the root Of certain things And see what's going on I can't blame him Like, it take a part in it But I can't blame him I made my own choices I made my own mistakes I knew what was up I grew up fast I could say that What? Didn't you siblings? Yeah, I got four Two sisters, two brothers So why did you have to grow up fast And not enjoy your childhood? I mean, my mama had me at a young age My mama had them The shoes a little old The shoes a little more mature So you're the first child? I'm the first child I'm the one that, you know That, the one that ain't You know what I'm saying? I was just, I'm just me Yeah, yeah It's different I don't want to go too much No, that's fine That's fine How is it, how is it How magnifying is it? Growing up in Marcia, Texas Everybody in here, mama know you Everybody in here You turn the corner, nigga They know you long Yeah, that nigga been a mama That nigga came up 80 Nigga, we seen the nigga When I was young, running away from home They bring you back Yeah, he over here His mom put him right up Sort of getting a seat in the car Police all kind of see I'm leaving I'm trying to go get it though Yeah, yeah, yeah At a young age 14, 13, 14 No, no, I get it I get it Yeah Yeah, you know, y'all finally got a Walmart down there And that was too much Y'all get it No, for real No, that's the way it be, man Like, I think the most important thing is, man Is that every opportunity that you go through Or every instance that you feel like You hit a bump in the road Don't let it take you out, young nigga Yeah, yeah, okay You know what I'm saying? That's the most important thing And everything is just a amount of sit back For a major comeback too Yeah Everything I don't care what it is If it's not for years against you But it ain't gonna take you out Mm-hmm That's what you gotta know I'm all alone That energy right there Gonna have you resilient as hell And nigga's gonna be Damn, what he gonna do next Yeah, for sure You feel me? Yeah So when you say it's a minor setback For a major comeback But at the same time Everything we go through in life Is a learning lesson No matter what it is It's for us The reason why people keep going through The same things over and over Because they don't take the time To sit down and be like Okay, why did I go through this? What do I need to learn? Because everything is a learning lesson And if you don't take that time To sit down and realize what it is You gonna keep going through it Over and over Till you bump your head to figure out That's real You know what? I listen now You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah Yeah, you're dope lyricists I'm gonna tell you just like this The more closer you get To pop it The more tension gonna come From something trying to take you out I already know You understand that? Yeah, yeah The more I sit on you The more haters gonna be trying to come at you Knock me down Listen man, this is the game Yeah, your music fly That's why it's coming at you Like it's coming at you at all time Because that's what it does That's the game And it don't just go for you That's for every nigga that's getting money Every nigga that's getting recognition Every nigga that's getting accolades They going through it And if you start really paying attention to it You'll see it But how do you beat it? You see what I'm saying? That's the goal Cause once you beat it Nigga, you riding around and Bentonism and all kind of stuff And you just having a great life Flying out Yeah, that's the ultimate goal Is to build up wealth For your family For them four siblings I got a son on the way too For that son He'll be here in like two or three weeks You see what I'm saying? You just having a boy, huh? Y'all not already checked it out That's dope That's your namesake Yeah, but that's your why And I was about to say Everything changes once you have a child As much as you might not think so But once that child come out and look at you You realize that this human being relies on you Wow You know what I mean? So every choice you make Every song you write Cause he going to be a certain age Wait, wait, wait, wait He ain't writing on music This nigga punchin' and bro Every song he make Okay, okay He punchin' in round his head No, man, I love the way the music I be talking, man, I love this, man I love to see the young niggas get it That's what a real OG nigga gonna do He ain't gonna be hatin' He know where he come from Cause he supposed to be an already Went through what you're going through So he supposed to be like Yeah, this here is how you handle a young brother You need to do this, this and this And I went through that So I'm gonna help you on this That's what a real nigga Not talking about you Not talking about what you're doing But really trying to give you some direction And guidance on how to handle it No matter if it's the worst it can get Or the best it can get That nigga should have an analogy If you're a real hustler Yeah I'm just coming with the real You know what I'm saying? So that's where it's at You know what I'm saying? With me for sure You picked that phone up and called me Now you got my number You don't have no other You're like hey You said nigga You really about what you say And that's where it be Check me and they gonna call me You know what I'm saying? That's the way it be So you know I understand man how the streets can be You know what I'm saying? What would you think is the worst The worst situation I ain't gonna say situation The biggest obstacle you faced I'm facing my biggest obstacle In my life right now Okay On the streets and Listen to this A task, obstacle Biggest obstacle But listen to this Right now you feel like You're scaling it On a one to three scale But if you change that scale From a one to ten scale Then that three don't look so bad You understand what I'm saying? It's all about perception The big wolf, right? That seem like it's gonna do all this Really ain't that bad Yeah I'm already knowing You see what I'm saying? I just gotta go through it You gotta go through it I know and I guarantee you I done been through it That's all I'm telling you So that's probably why you're here You probably didn't know it But I'm just being real Cause I've been and I understand And that's the most important part Most niggas can't relate Cause they ain't been through this stuff So when I put it My partner right here asked me Why you put this platform here? Cause I know I got something to say That's gonna be real relatable To these young niggas I ain't nobody else I don't interview them like that In my, that I see You understand? They can't Cause you gotta be the unlived it And I almost take you out You understand what I'm saying? Then I can talk to you But them niggas can't tell you Yeah they can tell you about the song and the music But what about when they don't go about the song What about when it's a situation That goes negative How can you relate to me? Nigga we can't relate So yeah that's why I'm here You asked I got your answer Right there in the midst of the interview But I'm here because I feel like I need to be here Because of what my people are going through You feel me? And I'm from East Texas Real talk But like I said I've been in Dallas for years bro And I've always been back and forth down 20 and 80 And 30 and all that other good stuff You know what I'm saying? But I also be in Fort Worth, Washington everywhere else too Nigga I frequent Texas I'm a Texas nigga I go to Houston, Austin, San Antonio Nigga let's go You know what I'm saying? So how do you think you Gravitating to the music right now Do you think you got a good ear And a good sound for the music Pretty much equating to where it needs to be To get you the looks you need Yeah I feel like I got that for sure But everyday I'm trying to I'm working Alright But when I say this And I'll ask you this question Do music put money in your pocket? Yeah And you know this for a fact how? Streaming Booking services and all that All that I ain't gonna say it's where I wanted to be It never is You know what I'm saying? Business is like that Yeah I'm just working to get it there Yeah so does it pay all your bills Nah I don't pay all my bills Okay I pay all my bills Okay and I'm just saying the music If it was you would still be paying all your bills But it would be your music equating to paying all your bills But at the same time I get it The streets and everything else And everything is wrapped up in a bow is who you are But how do we get How do we get you To the next level To where We taking care of the babies and the kids And the family and all that That should be okay cool Y'all niggas gonna mess my damn interview Let niggas come in late Have a seat my niggas Niggas trying to Let niggas shop Niggas wearing purple Let niggas shop You see we gonna put this shit on Everybody got this shit on Nah let's get back to it But like It's gonna pay the bill It's gonna take care of my son It's gonna do all that Okay It's coming Okay how long have you been at it I been rapping I made my first song I was like 14 But I mean When you been serious about it When you got serious about the music That's where I'm going to I'm just now like I ain't even say I'm serious I'm serious enough right now Okay I feel like I can go harder I gotta go harder Okay But at the same time You know it's a lot going on With me right now Feel me Like it's a lot going on I know and I know we ain't talking about it Or you're trying to stay away from it Yeah Yeah, but at the end of the day With what you got going on what you got going on like I keep telling you. And I'm gonna tell you something else. I'll give you this. The more you talk about it or even think about it, it becomes something that you worship it. And it clouds everything else. I don't know how you clear your mind to make sure that you're trying to figure out all this other stuff, because it can equate to some good music. But it can equate to things that, you see what a person say becomes them too. So a lot of time when you're saying the things that you say, whether it be in music, whether it be in anger or whatever, you got to know how to be the character, the rapper and the person. Do you understand what I'm saying? You got to know how to separate the two, just like an actor. It's the same thing. Because if not, you get caught up. My little cousin in New, up in North Carolina. And every song, they're killing somebody on this song. I don't know what the hell going on. I told that nigga, I said, man, every song, you niggas just straight go. See, I don't do that every song. But do you help? Yeah, cause that ain't real life, nigga. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I got some real life songs. You see what I'm saying? You got to have something that equate to. Y'all don't even know the formula, man. Like, if you take a person- I got some songs, make a grown man cry. Correct, correct. That's it right there. I just dropped a song, make a grown man cry. And we don't say that because... What's the name of the song? One on the Way. One on, I just listened to it a while ago. I didn't cry, but I just listened to it a while ago. But it was nice, you know? But I'm just saying they have to be a... You got to take it up and down. It got to be, it can be sad, it can be happy. This is life. Yeah, verse time. You can't create just anger. It got to be- Oh, verse time. Exactly. And then that's what I think people don't realize how serious that is. You know what I'm saying? And being able to flex like that. Even this show. We don't just do rap. We do mental illness, all kind of stuff. Nigga, I sell a nigga with a bow tie there. Nigga, they say he a Muslim and talk crazy. Have a good time in here. That's bringing in our kind of people. Exactly. Pull back up. Come up. There you go, get in that mic. This is a podcast that streams on Apple Spotify, Stitcher, so sometimes they may not see you. So that, you know what I mean? On all streams. You know what I'm saying? We everywhere. So they gonna hear you and they gonna be like, Oh damn, he on that a day, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like clarity. So that's what is, that's why I said that, you know what I'm saying? So let's talk about, I'm gonna let you, yeah, so what do you think about other rappers out of East Texas? Cause it was something came out the other week where Trio Talk said, right next by where you at? And he said, give us 10 rappers out of East Texas and then 10 rappers out of Houston and 10 rappers out of Dallas and we gonna kill them. You gotta be like that. I'm just asking you. Trio Talk, the first blog, really, he put in East Texas, you know what I'm saying? So he gotta do that. I ain't asking what Trio Talk think, I'm saying, Oh, we gonna go hard, we gonna do what we gonna do. I ain't know for sure. Yeah. Me on site, Josie, Smoothie, we gonna do what we gotta do for sure. It's a couple more too, but I ain't gonna, you know what I'm saying? Y'all got that song, don't you? We got a couple songs. Yeah, but I heard one last night, they let me listen to it and it was up here, I liked it too. Yeah, for sure. And I heard it, I think, did Sergeant B sent it to him? They be rockin' with me, you know what I'm saying? We previewed it on Instagram too. They ain't showed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Smoothie followed me. So yeah, it's dope. I like that, man. I love to see that come together. Yeah, we're supposed to bend it there. We're just supposed to make a tape called, a faux horseman. I heard about it last night. Me and Sergeant, everything was Sergeant B here. All four of us. What happened? Shit, it's in the works. So y'all still gonna get down? Yeah, we gonna get down, see. Man, my biggest thing, I be melding Josie, man, because he from Linden, you know, and I'm like, man, come on, bro. You know, like, where you at, man? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Where you at? That's Josie, that's my, like, not even no rap shit. That's my boy, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my boy. That's how y'all rock, though. That's how y'all get down. I mean, you know, when you look at it, the way it's spaced out down there, you look at how everything's laid out. You know, for y'all to be able to come together like that and make that music is a big deal. It's a big deal. We did something similar to that, but it wasn't on no, it wasn't on no raps. Only if motherfuckers knew, like, how we came together, like. So how did y'all come together? I mean, I ain't gonna say too much, but like, I met them through somebody I used to be cool with, you know what I'm saying? Somebody that ain't, you know what I'm saying? They ain't, ain't nobody need to be cool with, you feel me, so. Okay. It's just long story. It ain't really much of a story, but it's just crazy how somebody could introduce you to somebody that's, you know what I'm saying? We supposed to, it's like, we supposed to been locked in, but we weren't supposed to be locked in, how that was, you know what I'm saying? Through him, feel me? Yeah, yeah. Because we both really know that this nigga ain't even, ain't the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So y'all knew that wasn't gonna be done. Yeah, but we locked in for sure. Yeah, yeah, so, I mean, what's that thing? What's the name of you? Do you have a whole project album? Yeah, I got two albums. What's the name of them? East Texas Living, that's the recent one, and the first one is called Trapped Emotions. I'm gonna be honest with you, when I be looking at that music, I be looking at the singles, bro. I'm straight looking at videos and songs. Yeah, I see you watched that motion. That's what I'm saying, I watched that too. Videos and songs, nigga. That's the way to go with some people. They ain't gonna admit it, but I'm gonna tell you how I be going down. Nigga look at the videos and songs. So I feel like a nigga put out a project, he supposed to help by it. If you got how many songs you had on that project? The last one, like 12, 13, like. You gotta have about eight videos. I'm just, I'm telling you what it gotta be. In today's society, content is king. Yeah, you do. You know what I'm saying? And the DSLRs, it's right at your fingertips. The drones, everything is here. So this is what we have to figure out. For our people to make it down here. And I also got some coming. If I can get you before anything happen, I'm trying to do like little documentaries with little movie sketch with nigga's lifestyle. Damn beard. Yeah, I'm the only nigga that's gonna come up with something like that. The other niggas ain't working like that. I ain't going nowhere man. I'm gonna put that budget up. These niggas too cheap. Everybody ain't gonna beat me. Yeah. So if I can do that for each person that I'm connected with, then, and somebody, don't try to steal my idea nigga. I'm gonna know it if I see it nigga. You know what I'm saying? But you know, that's where I think it needs to be. But the nigga thing wasn't put that work in. You gotta have videographers. You gotta have people that's really listening and trying to do something. And a nigga behind them putting some money in their pocket in order to keep that going. The artist will get down cause it's gonna be about them. Ain't worry about them. It's more about the videographers and the people on the back seat. You know what I mean? Cause the nigga wanna see his life. Man, it's cause. It's cause. But it's more of a delegation and being able to have leadership in place and having the right people. Like I don't know if you, you didn't come to that long view of Fast Bash this week. No, I ain't been nowhere near these places. Man. I can't go out there. You should have seen it boy. I got, I got, ooh, I left it at the house though. Boy, I got some smoke in here. Ooh, you should have seen it. Ain't nothing even been like it. I mean, you could have seen it but I had probably never down there. Man, I'm an engineer. I produce, man. Now I don't know music. I'm talking about visual. It didn't look like BET Awards in that whole man. We can do it. You see what I'm saying? That's what I'm telling you. It's a whole nother level that niggas ain't touching cause they ain't really tapped in the way they could be, you know? Does that make sense to you? So we gotta take it another notch up if we wanna be recognized. Are we gonna watch Atlanta do it? We're gonna watch New York do it? We gotta do it, I'm saying. Are we gonna watch, who else? California. California. Are we gonna do it? What we gonna do? You see what I'm saying? We got all these damn rappers. Who got more rappers than us? We got a lot of damn rappers, man. Yeah. So we gotta be another level. Do y'all think we're working hard enough? I asked everybody in this room. You think we're working hard enough? I would be a little bit more working. There you go. You think everything we're supposed to be with the rap music and the artists? What about you, my brother? You think we good? We arrived already? I agree with y'all wholeheartedly. We got a lot of work to do. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Any guy to be done in tour. People quit being so damn jealous of each other and work together, right? Yeah, that's a big part. So let's talk about the music a little bit. You know what I'm saying? That motion you were just talking about. How did you process that? What happened? I mean, how'd you come up with that? Well, I make motion there, man. Where? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just, I just booked a session and just went in. You know, I'll freeze all up. What you say, punch in, bro? Punch in, bro. Say, punch in, in. Yeah. But it's real life, though. Everything I rap real life. Yeah, Joseph too, that's the way he do it. I like y'all kind of similar with the way, you know what I mean? Just the theme of the whole concept. Does that make sense? Yeah. We on the same page? Correct. Go ahead, baby. So where did your music come from? Is there anybody else in your family that did music? Yeah, my grandpa Mack. Everything I do is from Mack. My gang's Mack gang, it's my grandfather. He did music in my granny garage. Me growing up watching them, so I went to rap. That's cool. Yeah. So he actually, he rapped too? Or did he just play instruments or something? Instruments, jazz, like I don't know if it was blues, jazz or something. Yeah, I'm more sure he out of Dallas. Nah, he from Dallas. That's who's up. He was really from Cali, but Dallas up. Can you play any instruments? Nah, I don't think so. I ain't never tried. You know, Mack, huh? That's what they call it. Yeah, Mack. That's when my Mack gang, that's why all this shit come from my grandfather. That's what's on my face. He always was out here? He was, my grandfather was with the mob or something like that. Okay, so is he still living in here? Nah, he there, he died from lung cancer. Okay. He died around the time Michael Jackson died. Okay, got it, got it, got it. So that's who, that's his influence. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so. That's your why? That's, he's just a reason why I'm Mack. He ain't one doing no rap music or nothing, but, you know, he got me doing music. Pick up a microphone for him. Yeah, yeah. And who was your biggest influence as in an artist that was already doing her thing that you looked up to and you're like, man, I like his flow? When, now or like when I was? Back then when you just started, and you can say who now as well. Back then probably, I used to just watch BET, see Ludacris and shit, all them people on BET. I used to love Ludacris, I don't know why, but I used to love Ludacris. But now, it's a lot of love. Man, they're a millionaire, why not love it? Yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm trying to get right here. His style, he was different. I liked it, I love his voice. Yeah, he was, he was different for sure. And who now, do you look at? Now, I say, I mean, I like, it's a lot of artists I look up to, like Future, I don't know if it's like that, OG's in the game, but I really just be listening to myself, probably like Young Boy, I fuck with Young Boy, everybody do, but everybody got their reasons though. I just fuck with him like, cause I really relate to everything he be talking about. Do you consider yourself as an all rounded artist? I wanna say all rounded, I mean, not just in the music, but actually the business, everything. As far as, I don't know, I don't even know. I'll say, yeah, I will be. Oh, you will be, but you're not right now. The business, like what you mean by like the business? Like, I wanna say, like, if you had to manage yourself, you know exactly how the things to do. If you had to promote yourself, you had to like take on all the aspects of all the, the crew that you have, that you could do it, cause you know everything that they know as well. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. I know, I know, I know the main, the main shit I need to be doing. I started out doing all this, that's what I've been doing, doing it. Yeah. I started out doing it myself. I think that's the way to go. I was talking Ricky Booker the other night, who used to manage Little Runny. And he owned Breakfast Brothers up in Arlington. If y'all ever around, check that out. He got a TV show on it as well. We was on there last Saturday, this podcast. And he says that Little Runny became such a fit rapper, entrepreneur that he didn't need a manager anymore. Everything flowed. Little Runny didn't roll for Iggy and all these other different people. You know, Milano, he just went gold with one of the records he wrote for her. You see what I'm saying? So, he's so knowledgeable about what he needs to do. He knows what song he wants to make. He knows a hit when he hear it before it comes out to where it operates and moves almost on its own because the brand may be moving so long. Yeah, he been doing it for a minute. That's right, and he's still relevant today. Something he said last night was so powerful when me and him and Trio Talk was talking because Trio Talk put him on 23. Yeah, but he said, Hey, I'm saying it's on number 22. So, you over Little Runny. Why this nigga here? Let me tell you something he said though. You want to hear what he said? The nigga said, make a list, nigga, to see who got the most money, nigga. That's heavy right there. I said, damn. Yeah, let's have a who got the most money. Yeah, who got the most money. I said, nigga, that's what I'm talking about right there. Who got the most money, nigga? Why the nigga became a nigga and didn't get no money? Yeah, because if he getting money, that nigga don't roll for everybody, that nigga is out. Who got the most money from music? From music. From music. From music. Yeah, you just changed the whole scenario. That's exactly what he was talking about too. I didn't manage to what he had done. No, no, no, that's right. That's what he was talking about. You know, the music. And you know, he had a point. Like a lot of people are fluffing things up, but the niggas I talked to, like quick trip and all the boys down there in Atlanta said, I was talking about niggas who fluff up their numbers and by views and all that stuff. And you know what I'm saying? But the one thing they said, and I said this on a few episodes now, is that if you're doing it, you're doing it. Is what I got from what they answered the question when I asked him about all you making money off your music and all you fluffing the numbers and all. If you hustling, if you're moving and your album is out and you're doing it and you're rolling in these nice cars and you might not have a view, but you're doing it. Can't nobody take that away from you. Period. You can tell he buying views, he doing, no, but the nigga when he pull up, how he pulling up? How did nigga life look, nigga? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot of niggas don't be cappin' though. No, but is the nigga got it? Some niggas got views and don't got it. That's what I'm saying, but the nigga that do got it when he pull up, he do what he wanna do cause he really doing it that way. But the nigga who ain't got it and it views is up there and he ain't got no car or nothing. It ain't believable. It's not believable. So it ain't gonna last no way, right? That's what's up, you know. What top three artists of all time? Dead or alive? Any genre. Any genre. I can't mean. Give me one. One, two, three. You gotta give me your top three artists. Every nigga been on this platform, give me their top three artists. Top three artists of all time. Number one. See, it's gonna be different. There ain't gonna be no two part. I don't care what it is. My artist gonna be who I listen to. And that's what I want. That's what I been getting on these niggas about. Top three artists of all time right now. Number one. Number one, I say, that's hard. Top number one. I ain't gonna put it down in the order. Future, young boy. Top three is one more. Is one more? Who? Future, young boy. I'll say the baby. I figured that. I could have said it before you said it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Why Future? Why Future? That's just my, I love Future. That's my dog. If I could beat Future, we would lock in. Nah, hell nah. I mean, only rap I done met that I fucked with was like Cheap Keep. We met him too. Yeah. Yeah. You remember that? Yeah, he a cool cat. You know what I mean? I met him right here. Did you? I met him in Vegas. We be moving around. Cool cat. Never really just talk to him like, you know, like, what's up, nigga? Nah, certain niggas I have, but that's not one of me and Nipsey did that. Yeah, I talked to him up. Like after the show, they had a little VIP. I was all up there with that. Yeah, I'll tell you, you know. Yeah, we locked in. That's good. Did you get some knowledge from anything that you? Cause I always ask niggas, you know, when you enter that stage, like me and Steve Madden right there, he worth 120 million. And you see us on there a lot of time with him. So you know, we'd have had conversations. What, what, what, what do you say that, that you feel like you can take some from it, that it can give you some, something that can lead you somewhere. See, this is the problem when the niggas step on that stage in life dealing with other niggas. What, what, and it's somebody that can tell you something cause they somewhere where you ain't at and you would love to be there. Yes, you wouldn't be hustling like you hustling. Yeah. I ain't, I ain't gonna say I just got to talk to him how, you know what I'm saying? Like there was a lot of people trying to talk to him at the same time. Yeah, I get it. But I locked in with, I was trying to lock in with him as far as just locking in on, you know what I'm saying? Just not just here at this show. I locked in with his artist, Tato, and them ball out of shit. I locked in with them. But we weren't talking about nothing like that. We were talking about some business, some other shit. Who was that that came on here? And we was like, we, we talked about it cause you told, you brought it up as well. That when you met a certain person, you liked them before you met them. And when you met them, it messed the whole relationship. No, I do be like that. You remember that the other day? It was like, yeah. People be weird. It was, it was crazy. And I've done that. That's why I know it happens. Like you thinking a nigga really cool cause his lyrics and you really, you see the nigga and you're like, yeah, I'm a fan out. I ain't really, I ain't really meant to me. I don't read, y'all know Big Evo? Yeah, I'm about to ask you about it cause y'all got a song together. Yeah, we just did a song. We locked in though. Like you fuck with me like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember Seco. It just depends on the vibe. You know what I'm saying? The vibe, do they have niggas? Cause I don't see niggas. Some niggas get feed from niggas and never hear from them again. You ain't got to tell me. I know those niggas. I don't know them. I just, we talk. Yeah. It's a, it's a vibe. Niggas, niggas judge a vibe. That's what's going to determine what he going to do after. Seco P said that it's certain niggas and he didn't name no names. But he did name Jay-Z. He said that if you see niggas, he don't run up on niggas. Yeah. I don't run up on niggas. Like, like basically like he just, he a man too. And I, I respected him in that aspect. Seco was like, and he just did that song with Kevin. You know, he meets Texas. Yeah, that's my boy. Yeah. You know, you and Seco right? We're supposed to lock in on him. Yeah. I talked to him a couple of days ago. If you get into it and you've been on my show, you're going to be like, yeah. You know, cause we might be frequent in the same place and maybe opportunity created. You know what I'm saying? Different people that I know. So, how did, how did you guys link? We ain't never met in person. Okay. But ever since, you know what I'm saying? I seen him before he started blowing up. Okay. Okay, okay. So you liked him when he fired? We knew who, we knew of each other. That's dope. He knew of me. I knew of him and shit. We liked him. It's good to have that, that relationship and knowing you guys. He won't never know how you shit. No. He ain't going to, he won't know he going up. I ain't from the, he going, you know what I'm saying? It was always love. So it's cool. I got a big question for you. Let's talk about it. That, Bone was on here. And he said, Bone, you don't know he had a hit before you was born. You know what I'm saying? Homegirl was on there. Bone is a homie. No, Bone. Homegirl. He got a big, big, no. That nigga. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my nigga. I was standing in front of him when that shit happened. I remember that, though. What? He from Atlanta, Texas. Yeah, I ain't know that. Yes, sir. And he was on there. No, sir. He from Atlanta, Texas. He meets Texas and he, he says, I hate that song, but. Why? Because our mama and them, they used to play that shit. Play it all the time. They played it. You got to feel me on this. Do you feel like the, and you know what I'm about to ask, do you feel like the East Texas radio stations support local artists? Hell no. Not how they say it. That's what Bone said. Bone said, hell no. Call him when they get here. Cause they coming. I ain't got a lot. It's some East Texas radio. I ain't gonna say nobody, but they know me. Like, they was, hit me up. Well, I ain't gonna lie. I couldn't get the clean version of the M.A.C. You heard the M.A.C. by me? Yeah, yeah. I couldn't get the clean version, so I thought they could do that shit, but I don't know. They ain't never, they say I done been on the radio before, but I ain't never heard it. So in East Texas, you feel like you've had big enough songs that they should have been on the radio. Hell yeah. So you agree with Bone that he said he had a, he said he had a song and it paid 140 times. And he said, but in other cities, it played almost 2,000 times. The spins. I'm talking about total spins. My most, you're a thing, my most views would be from Mars and shit like that, but they not, they from here, they from Dallas. Torso, Oklahoma was in my top. I can pull it up right now. I'm an artist shit. Come April Friday, today Friday. Torso, Oklahoma was in my second place today. So I'm definitely gonna keep on asking that question. I asked Sergeant B that last night. And yeah. They pick and choose what they want to fuck with. Yeah. So I don't know. It's motherfuckers that been on the radio station. What's that? That Tyler, DJ Jules? Yeah. It's motherfuckers. I know been on the radio station that nowhere near as good as me, big as me. None of that. From Mars. Oh no. I don't know if they paid or nothing, but I don't know. That's illegal. See? I don't know. But I know damn well, they ain't nowhere near me. But do you feel like that? Yo, I gotta push it back toward you. Do you feel like you should have been played on those East Texas radio stations? More than one song. Okay. And you feel like, so what's when you think about YouTube views, what kind of views you get on YouTube? I don't get the most, but I get my real, my real. Okay. I get, the most views I probably got on the video was like 20,000, 25,000, so to say 22,000. And you look into analytics and all the people from up here. Yeah. But I got like 22,000 on the video in this last year. Mm-hmm. And it's something like that. And I tried to call Cico when Bone was here cause Cico had four million. Now he's at 10 million. Yeah, he had 10 million. 10 million now. And his other shit going down. And I was trying to figure out if he was getting that radio play down there at the place. He should be. He should be. How about you, they playing this song or else? Oh, everywhere. No, don't play, man. That's Temple, man. It's a real, and it's a real. They playing it in Temple. In Temple. Yeah. No kidding. And it's a real, real, real live song, you know. But, So what do you feel that you could be doing to excel your career even further? I just got to keep working, man. I just got to work harder. Just got to work harder. Because I know earlier you're saying, you know you weren't, you're not giving 100. You're not doing everything you can do. I don't feel like I am. I never feel like I am. Really? Real talk. What about that? I got to get into the process. I got to get better and better. Yeah, yeah. Go harder and harder for it. Yeah, what about that on the way, man? Shit, just out now, man. It's crazy, man. Yeah, yeah. They love it. I ain't got a lot of niggas call me crying listening to that song. Yeah. Wow. I got videos and niggas with their babies playing the song. How'd that make you feel? That shit was big. It made me feel a certain type of way. She was kind of sad, because what I'm going through, they trying to get me murder charges and shit. And I got a child on the way. Yeah, yeah. Two weeks, three weeks. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. But at the end of the day, like I told you, you came tripped. Yeah, I ain't tripped. You don't know. I keep my head up for sure. Yeah, the scenario can change. It's going to change. It's true. I know that for a fact. Prayer changes. It does. I got to go through it. You got a lot of niggas to be talking in, but really, realness, you know what I mean? You want a nigga and got all this homeboys around, it get real, real. You understand what I'm saying? I know what it is to have your homeboys stripped away from you, and ain't nobody but you, and you have to stand as a man. And ain't no homeboys. They ain't going to fall back anyway. They fell back on Jesus. So I know they going to fall back on me. Yeah, they going to watch out for themselves. That's right. Make sure you understand that. And at the end of the day, a lot of them niggas ain't even going to write you, nigga. If you do get caught up in something, I'm the nigga to be writing niggas right now. And I don't even have to, nigga. But at the end of the day, that's what I do. My situation is just like, I'm in Marshall. It's a lot of nobody's in Marshall. Motherfuckers want a name. I got a name. The situation, I mean, who they going to blame? They going to blame somebody with a name, right? Yeah. If they asked about the situation, who's there that my name coming up? That's just the only problem. Ain't nothing else. I ain't even, I don't want to go too far anyway. No, no, no. It's just because I got a name. You just got to get yourself a good lawyer. Yeah, for sure. And that's the truth. And if you ain't got niggas around you that they're talking that talk, they know how to get those, man, please, you better try to get with niggas the king. You understand what I'm saying? Cause if not, and niggas is willing to put that bag up with you. Yeah, they're real friends. I got niggas, I can call and get $100,000, $50,000. If you ain't got them type friends, they ain't niggas this week, they lying. They ain't really homies. If they ain't bringing $5,000, bring $3,000, niggas. Bring something. Bring something. Really something. So that's the way I think. You know, maybe I'm a little bit out the box, but that's how I think. I don't need to be talking to ass niggas for nothing. You know, you shouldn't have to ask. I see, I see. Because niggas ride in your coattail every time niggas come up. They don't say, come on down. Can't talk to me with something, everyone. Yeah, no, you shouldn't have to if that's who you've been rocking with. Yeah, yeah. I dare you think that you should have to ask a nigga for anything. You're supposed to be, you clicked up all the time. Then niggas ain't 100 dollars, man. I know that. That's all I'm trying to tell you. You're gonna see if you ever go through a situation where you stripped away from your homeboy. I'm gonna see when I get to this court date and see this, what's they call it, discovery peg. When I see that, oh God, that was real. Right? I'm gonna know a whole bunch, man. Man, that's the crazy part, too, because it'd be real. Oh, it's real for sure. It'd be real. I'm already knowing it's real, but I just gotta see it first. So if you had to go back and advise a younger you. Man. What would you tell the younger you to do? A lot of shit, like. Ah, man, I tell myself a lot of shit. A lot of shit, a lot of mistakes I don't make. Could've been done differently. Feel me just, I'll say just follow your own way. You know what I'm saying? Just make your own way. And believe in yourself. Yeah, believe in yourself for sure. Yeah. Don't believe in nobody else. I agree 100%. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's life, man, it's heavy. Like I said, man, if it's anything that I could do, you let me know. Like I said, but the one thing I can tell you is, man, don't put down your dream. Don't put out hate. Keep on pushing. Keep on helping people, cause people, you're some young, you got a baby that's about to be here. And your legacy has to be strong in order to lead that next generation. Right, some on the way. Man, that's what you're naming. That's what's up, man. So, man, just if you could, well, I ain't gonna ask you that cause that's the hell of a situation, right? What? You can go back and ask your younger self, your younger you, or talk to your younger you and say, hey, man, you get ready cause this what you need to be prepared for. What would you say? I'd go listen to my mama, man. Everything my mama was saying to me, go listen, man. Man, that's mama's always telling me. I just sit out and deal like I feel like I played a part of what I'm doing now, you know what I'm saying? Oh, really? In the life I'm living. Yeah. I said to this, I just want to be hard-headed and listen to myself. But you know what? We all have to go through certain things to learn. Because even as much as a lot of people say what you're saying right now, if you could go back and tell that younger you, that younger you probably cussed you out and say you can't tell me none. Yeah, cause I watched everybody telling me the same shit. You see what I mean? Well, I tell myself I need to listen to some shit. But you probably wouldn't. You probably wouldn't. I probably wouldn't. Cause I always been the hard-headed, like I make my mama on here. That's what I'm saying. Some people just have to go through what I have to go through. I had to go through it if it happened to happen. That's how I was. Exactly. So what a good thing about that is that you're going through things in your life to help somebody else. To help somebody that they don't have to go through what you have to go through. Cause some people actually will learn from your experience. Some people don't have to bum their head. Some people do and some people don't. But if you don't go through it, some people won't listen to you because they're like, you can't tell me what to do. You ain't been through what I had to go through. You know what I mean? So always use your experiences to help somebody else. That's so dope. Yeah, man. Like I say you, when I look at you, as far as what I look at in artists and stuff, I look at appearance, you got the appearance, you got the look, you got the whole layup. If I was working with any nigga that I'm dealing with when I'm talking about putting my money up, it's gonna be you because all the other niggas, and I'm not just being, I'm being real. I mean, I picked niggas, Erica Banks and me, I picked her before she even got popular. She hit me back right now because I picked her before all of that. You know, when it come down, you know, she's gonna acknowledge what I'm doing because at the end of the day it's real. You know, most niggas best be pump faking. But I'm telling you, when you really connected with the music and you can see something, I'm gonna look at how I'm gonna put my money up. And if I had to put my money up and I look at what I'm seeing, you got the package to where it's the type of package that a nigga would be willing to invest in because you got the look, you got the sound, the cadence is right. And you're marketable. Yeah, that's love. No, that's real. You understand what I'm saying? A lot of niggas don't got that. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know too. Because I know a lot of niggas be willing to manage them, put up money for them and all kinds of stuff. And I'm like, nah. Niggas gotta see that business. Because it gotta be something that's real. And then you gotta be able to know how to deal with people well. Every nigga I ever met know how to deal with people well. They're not running around here. It's straight business. I promise you, even Lil Wayne, when we seen him, was it straight business? It's straight business, bro. I'm not capping. I'm telling you, even Nipsey, when we stood at the county talk, I'm a business man. When I deal with people's business, bro, I'm telling you. And even TI, business, boost your business. Anything I'm dealing with is business. I'm about to deal with some in a few weeks. Business. And I know how niggas act when they're in business. Or if they just doing something for the hell of it. This phone, I see NBA young boy ain't no dummy. You can't put together what these niggas cold-acting all and put together and be a dummy. Or you got the right team around you. You understand what I'm saying? I bought them when you look at the NBA, the clothing brand, even Lil Baby's clothing brand. I see all that stuff, bro. I see it. I measure it because I put my money up, right? So I gotta look and see if they really serious about what they doing. So when I go look at a brand that I'm bringing into a store, something that I'm dealing with, I gotta see if you really putting your money up. Like I'm about to put my money up. So I look real deep and the music rides with the clothes. That's why I know everybody. It's real simple. We hustled. When I met two chains at the same place, he had a CEO line, you remember that? We can go time at the time, too. Fast and it go with hip hop. It go with hip hop. So that's how you end up seeing all these. If you ain't putting it on, you ain't. That's right, that's real fun. You gotta put it on. Man, I love the fact that you came, man. I'm glad you're East Texas Hardhead. You know what I'm saying? I like that. You know what I'm saying? You know about Bill Aaron. You know, we can ride on the same streets and all that and come to Dallas and nigga's gonna know me. I'm giving out plaques over here. I just gave Lil Lundy one last night. I gave, who else? Half Paint one last night. I'm the only nigga that's giving out stuff that's showing niggas appreciation. I can keep going. Sir Charles Jones, any nigga, million niggas with millions of followers. You know what I'm saying? So all that playing, all that trying, you got to be right. This music is real. It can change your life. But you got to be ready, man, because the people can tell the internet, they're gonna tell you and the people around and they're gonna tell you what you're doing. Scale it off of that. It's the real, it's the truth. Cause it's really who you are. How often do you plan on releasing a project? I really planned on releasing one when my son came, like after naming it after my son, but I am, I'm gonna do that still. But I'm just, he coming a little bit. Fast. Yeah. He's coming fast. Before I knew it, it was, I ain't gonna lie, this shit flew by. That's good though. At least he'll be here in no time. Yeah, he will. And you know, it can be that two weeks before or two weeks after. Right now, I'm trying to release as much as possible. How many do you have in your vault? I got a lot of stuff in my vault. Ready to release. I got a lot, but I'll be, I'll be one to release. Yeah, I'm picky. Yeah, yeah, I'm picky. Everybody be like, yeah, that shit hard, but I'm like, nah, it ain't that, it ain't the one. But sometimes, sometimes you might not feel it, but you'd be surprised that you let it out and it's a hit. Yeah, it'd be that. So you can't be too romantic with it. You gotta let it go and move on to the next one because you're constantly doing new stuff. Yeah. So you gotta let it out. Yeah, I got songs from last year that I ain't never been, years, I ain't never been there. So what you ain't know? They coming out. I'm just droppin'. Bro, I just looked at Sergeant Bee's catalog with Joe. They had about 200 songs on that thing. And it was workin', man. They got a lot of songs. I know. They not droppin' at all, though. I know. They not droppin' at all. Smoothies droppin', but Joe's is not droppin'. They ain't even, my nigga all the way. I know, I know how you doin' it. But listen, man, so how did you get that feature with the Yavo guy? What was that all about? I had, uh... Explain that to me. I did a show in Tallah. Big Yavo. He opened up for Yavo. Okay. And shit. I ended up, man, my boy right here, we ended up shit, lockin' in with the manager. That's dope. His role manager. That's dope. And shit. We locked in ever since. Well, we did the song with the next day after the show. Like a couple of days later, we came up here, I booked the session. Shit, he came, we shot the video at the home. The video on the way. Wow. Shit be talkin' real soon. That's dope. Like I said, that's the way it happened, man. He just taught me to send him some more shit too, yeah. Oh yeah, that's good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cause you know it's deep. It's not just off the surface. I know niggas that did whole projects with niggas that I could start naming. Y'all be like, damn. And it didn't do nothin' because it wasn't an organic relationship. Like, you talkin' about it earlier. Yeah, that nigga just posted. Like, I ain't postin' nobody musical. I know for a fact they livin' with they rappin' and shit like that. Yeah, that's how we... Yeah, after that he tellin' me to send him some more shit. So, just let me know right there, shit. We locked in. The referee with the whistle. Well, man, hey, man, we love you, man. We appreciate you for comin' on Bob's Talk. Yeah, just love, appreciate y'all. Say, man, like I said, anytime you wanna pull up, if you got somethin' you tryin' to do, say, man, you locked in, man. For sure. Like I said, if it's any hard hits down there, just ask about me. They gon' tell you. They gon' ask. Go back and check. Go back and start askin' and be like, you know niggas eat, man. He talk, they talk. He really like that. Go ask. Go back to the hood, you can go all the way. You come back to Dallas, too, but kill along them in old class, I start naming names and go ask. Yeah, I regret it. And it's real. You know what I'm sayin'? It's street or you know nothin' to play with. I believe you. So you don't know me cause I'm gonna be a whole new generation. Exactly, but I respect it. You ask them by me, they gon' tell you. You see what I'm sayin'? I respect it. Cause I remember. That's what I'm telling you. Most niggas don't wanna, they change their thinking and they be like, they forget about the people like you who goin' through what they been through. And they don't know how to communicate with them. Cause they actin' like they forgot and they don't wanna be that no more. Oh, and they try to say the wrong shit. Yeah, they act like they don't really know nothin' about this life. Yeah, nigga, you know you were young before. You know what I'm sayin'? So I respect and love the young people, man. Shout out to the young folk, man. Keep on makin' that music, get that money. Nigga, entrepreneurship is real. Say, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. And we out.